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November 16, 2010

Democratic Civil War Back On?
— DrewM

Over the weekend soon to be ex-Speaker thought she cut a deal to keep both Steny Hoyer and Jim Clyburn on the Democratic leadership team by shoving Clyburn, the top ranking black in Congress, to the back of the bus.

No so fast says the Congressional Black Caucus.

The Congressional Black Caucus wants more details about the proposal to create a leadership position for Rep. James Clyburn (D-S.C.).
The Congressional Black Caucus is withholding its endorsement of a proposal by Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) to create a new Democratic leadership position for Rep. James Clyburn (D-S.C.).
The CBC met for nearly two hours on Monday to discuss the deal that Pelosi brokered to end a leadership battle between Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (Md.) and Clyburn, who had been vying for the second-ranking post of minority whip.
The caucus chairwoman, Rep. Barbara Lee (D-Calif.), said after the meeting that the CBC wanted more details about ClyburnÂ’s policy and strategy portfolio and was Â“reserving judgmentÂ” about the package the Speaker is offering.
Â“We fully support our current whip, Mr. Clyburn, for the No. 3 position and weÂ’re currently reserving judgment on the entire package until we see what the actual portfolio entails in terms of responsibilities,Â” Lee told reporters.

If that wasn't enough, Nancy is getting a challenge from Heath Schuler for Minority Leader.

Rep. Heath Shuler (N.C.) formally launched his long-shot bid Monday to oust Speaker Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) as the leader of House Democrats, beginning to ask lawmakers to support his more centrist campaign to be minority leader.
"I'll be running," Shuler said after votes Monday, in his most definitive declaration yet that he'll oppose Pelosi.
Shuler hails from the depleted ranks of the conservative-leaning Blue Dog Coalition, whose Democratic ranks were roughly halved by midterm elections two weeks ago. Many consider his effort a protest candidacy that will give the remaining moderate Democrats an alternative to voting for Pelosi, whose popularity plummeted during the fall elections amid thousands of campaign commercials displayed her in a negative light.

Shuler's bid is a long shot at best since his constituency of Blue Dogs was decimated on Election Day. The challenge is mostly about 2012...Shuler and several other Democrats ran away from Pelosi this year in order to avoid being swept up in the wave. If one of them didn't run they couldn't pull that trick again in 2 years. Now Shuler can say he tried to change the directions of Democrats in the House and others can say they voted for him.

Mostly it's just kind of fun to watch Nancy squirm. It's amazing she thought she could lead the caucus to such a historic defeat and then maintain the status quo when they came back.

Pelosi must really like having a driver if she's willing to put up with this kind of grief from members who don't seem to be as grateful to her driving them into the minority as she seems to think they should be.

Posted by: DrewM at 06:22 AM | Comments (73)
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1 I will happily sell arms to each side in the civil war.

Posted by: Ben at November 16, 2010 06:24 AM (wuv1c)

2 Evita

Posted by: dagny at November 16, 2010 06:24 AM (wIRIS)

3 Can both sides lose this civil war?

/Given that the "Blue Dog" democrat is as mythical as the unicorn.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 16, 2010 06:27 AM (9hSKh)

4 Peons! You should thank me! Now kiss my tires!

Posted by: Nancy, in the Bentley at November 16, 2010 06:29 AM (RD7QR)

5 "Tone deaf" is the polite phrase to describe Pelosi.

However, I prefer a saltier phrase, such as:

Horrid, grasping harpy scrunt.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo ( NJConservative) at November 16, 2010 06:29 AM (LH6ir)

6 During the health-care thing, I wrote to Heath Schuler and asked him to oppose the bill. He did.

Later I got a reply saying that he opposed the bill because it didn't go far enough (ie, no single-payer).

How Blue can he be?

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 16, 2010 06:29 AM (bvfVF)

7 Does Nancy lose her plane?

Posted by: ChiTown-Jerry at November 16, 2010 06:30 AM (f9c2L)

8 The Nancy-Gavel Hostage Crisis will be amusing. "My Precious!"

Posted by: eman at November 16, 2010 06:30 AM (0Ui1v)

9 How Blue can he be?
Posted by: BeckoningChasm
--------
The so-called Blue Dogs, moderates, conservadems are first and formeost Democrats! And they always will be.. that's all people really need to remember.

Posted by: ChiTown-Jerry at November 16, 2010 06:32 AM (f9c2L)

So now it's Nancy who drives the car in the ditch, and Shuler is the one sipping on the Slurpee?

With some luck and prayers, the NC GOP re-districting will hurt Shuler (and others) some more, and put a lock on Rene Elmers.

Posted by: SnowSun at November 16, 2010 06:32 AM (UAUr6)

11 Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 16, 2010 10:27 AM (9hSKh)

Back in the old days, when Democrat wasn't a euphemism for traitorous bastard, we had Dems who actually loved the country and cared about its security and economic success. I wonder what Scoop Jackson or Daniel Moynihan would say about the current crop of Dems?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo ( NJConservative) at November 16, 2010 06:32 AM (LH6ir)

12 I'll get you Heath, and your Blue Dogs too!

Posted by: Nancy, in the Bentley at November 16, 2010 06:33 AM (RD7QR)

13 9, Yep.

Posted by: eman at November 16, 2010 06:33 AM (0Ui1v)

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 16, 2010 10:29 AM (bvfVF)

I did the same and got the same with Larry Kissell (NC

Posted by: SnowSun at November 16, 2010 06:33 AM (UAUr6)

And two Dems are suing Huffington because she stole their genius idea. !!eleventy!!

Is it possible to overdose on pudding?

http://tinyurl.com/29b227c

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at November 16, 2010 06:33 AM (6BgmB)

16 Stoopid smiley. NC-8

Posted by: SnowSun at November 16, 2010 06:34 AM (UAUr6)

17 So Barbara Lee wants to see Clyburn's "package", eh?

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 16, 2010 06:35 AM (FEq1y)

18 17 So Barbara Lee wants to see Clyburn's "package", eh? Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 16, 2010 10:35 AM (FEq1y) You'll never find Another package like mine A bill to last The whole term throuuuuuugh

Posted by: Clyburn, in smooth mode at November 16, 2010 06:37 AM (RD7QR)

Does anybody remember the "Thanks Nancy!" AoSHQ thread (and contest) back in 2006-ish?

A classic that needs to be revived, considering recent events.

Posted by: FreakyBoy at November 16, 2010 06:37 AM (YU9IY)

20 "The conservative-leaning Blue Dog Democrats." I like that. So conservative that they voted 100% of the time with the liberals. Fuck you, Heath Shuler, sideways up the ass with Lisa Museglutesky's coke spoon.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 16, 2010 06:37 AM (9Cooa)

21 Keep in mind, all we need is one Democrat to vote for any GOP law to consider it "bipartisan." Those are the Dem rules. So, let's make sure a few of the Blue Dogs stick around.

Posted by: sexypig at November 16, 2010 06:39 AM (k3hnM)

22 Being a mafia princess is a hard habit to break- you have to ease into it....slowly.

Posted by: jjshaka at November 16, 2010 06:39 AM (13PCO)

23 11 Moynihan would write something profound that would be valid and quoted thirty years later. Scoop Jackson would weep for his Party and his Country.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 16, 2010 06:40 AM (RKpGM)

24 well i hope the gop can stick together....they have a habit you know of turning on themselves when they get an ounce of power.......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 16, 2010 06:41 AM (eOXTH)

All sarcasm aside, I honestly believe that Geraldo exists on Fox out of shear tokenism.

http://tinyurl.com/3ags299

He has even come to resemble a cartoon character. Yosemite Geraldo?

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at November 16, 2010 06:42 AM (RkRxq)

26
Donk Civil War? The only thing to do is call a bunch of friends, pull out the keg of Meisterbrau, popcorn, butterscotch pudding and a bunch of lawn chairs.

Pray for high casualties.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 16, 2010 06:43 AM (DZVrI)

27 In the West Capitalism has been propping up Socialism for a hundred years. Now it is saying, "Eff this. You are one heavy, bitch. See ya" The end of Western Socialism is here.

Posted by: eman at November 16, 2010 06:44 AM (0Ui1v)

28 Progressive crap weasels need Pelosi in power. They have to maintain a state of constant agitation in order to move their agenda forward. From a 1966 Yale paper on progressives... "While adopting the Alinsky method, the social theorists have not yet developed institutional solutions to his groupÂ’s characteristic problems. The central difficulty for the Alinsky organization is to sustain an angry mood after the initial organizing issue has passed, and the members discover that even a successful protest has not brought fundamental changes to the neighborhood. After a march on city hall the group cannot return to other activities and wait for the next protest issue to come along. Protest is the organizationÂ’s only business. Besides leading to excessive expectations the Alinsky groupsÂ’ reliance on sustained agitation has made it difficult for them to honor the principle of democratic control. For all their talk about Â“what the people want,Â” they sometimes practice a version of Â“shareholder democracyÂ” in which the members merely ratify the leadersÂ’ strategy. Their mass meetings are devices to aggravate neighborhood discontents and identify the organization as the appropriate outlet for their frustrations."

Posted by: Skree at November 16, 2010 06:46 AM (HBmnd)

29 I'll get you Heath, and your Blue Dogs too!

Damn you, i snorted coffee all over my keyboard.

Posted by: Penfold at November 16, 2010 06:46 AM (1PeEC)

30 25 hussein i really can't stand him.....i only watch him when he's in the middle of a storm....because one of these days he will get blown away or carried out to sea

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 16, 2010 06:50 AM (eOXTH)

31 OT - Tamales make better weapons than spitballs.

Wanton Tamale Assault Lands Florida Woman Behind Bars

The Florida woman was arrested Saturday morning for domestic battery after allegedly assaulting her boyfriend with a plate of tamales. Sanchez, 30, told cops that she tossed the corn-based projectiles at her boyfriend after he called her a Â“bitchÂ” in front of the coupleÂ’s one-year-old son.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 16, 2010 06:50 AM (9hSKh)

32 Heath Shuler (D)

Major Bills    Vote
HEALTH CARE BILL    No
STIMULUS PACKAGE    No
TARP    No

Heck with the Democrats, how about running for the Republican leadership?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 16, 2010 06:51 AM (3fI44)

33
O/T

The Time Liberal Propaganda Machine nominates O'Fuckup for Person of the Year, again!

Posted by: Fish the Impaler at November 16, 2010 06:51 AM (v1gw3)

34 Hopefully, the race hustlers can fight with the power maniacs long enough to keep any more damaging legislation from coming to the floor.

Posted by: RushBabe at November 16, 2010 06:53 AM (a3Z62)

35 Kind of early for popcorn. But tasty nonetheless.

Posted by: CUS at November 16, 2010 06:53 AM (wOGfT)

36 Man of the Year, Vlad Tepes

Posted by: Transylvania Time at November 16, 2010 06:54 AM (RD7QR)

37 The Time Liberal Propaganda Machine nominates O'Fuckup for Person of the Year, again!

Posted by: Fish the Impaler at November 16, 2010 10:51 AM (v1gw3)

His main accomplishment was to help to bring the Republican Party back to life.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 16, 2010 06:55 AM (1Jaio)

38 It's so dreamy, oh fantasy free me
So you can't see me, no not at all
In another dimension, with voyeuristic intention
Well-secluded, I see all

Posted by: Damn It Janet Napolitano at November 16, 2010 06:59 AM (xxgag)

39 Fascinating to see the Dems race to the lifeboats... and then to hear machine gun fire break out from inside the lifeboats... Good times, good times...

Posted by: GuyfromNH at November 16, 2010 07:00 AM (kbOju)

40 My representative was a "Blue Dog" Dennis Moore. Voted with Pelosis 98% or something like that. He retired to spend more time with his wife who promptly ran in his place. She got creamed. He was one of those moderate Blue Dogs, another word for progressive Pelosis kiss ass.

Posted by: kansas at November 16, 2010 07:00 AM (mka2b)

41 Earth to Heath...hey dumbass, your party has been hijacked by the kooky, progressive hard left. You may want to reconsider that affiliation there pal.

Posted by: Hedgehog at November 16, 2010 07:00 AM (Rn2kl)

42 Who Will Be TIME's 2010 Person of the Year?

Candidates

* Julian Assange
* Glenn Beck
* David Cameron
* The Chilean Miners
* Arne Duncan
* Recep Tayyip Erdogan
* Jonathan Franzen
* Lady Gaga
* Robert Gates
* Tony Hayward
* Hu Jintao
* LeBron James
* Steve Jobs
* Hamid Karzai
* David and Charles Koch
* Liu Xiaobo
* Barack Obama
* Sarah Palin
* Nancy Pelosi
* Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf
* Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert
* The Unemployed American
* J. Craig Venter
* Elizabeth Warren, Mary Schapiro and Sheila Bair
* Mark Zuckerberg

Hmm.... Obama or Lady Gaga. Tough choice.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 16, 2010 07:02 AM (3fI44)

43 17 So Barbara Lee wants to see Clyburn's "package", eh?

Maybe she could get a job with the TSA?

Posted by: kansas at November 16, 2010 07:03 AM (mka2b)

44 42 Who Will Be TIME's 2010 Person of the Year?

Do they have to be alive? Filling the bill for Time would be:

Adolf Hitler
Benito Mussolini
Josef Stalin

Posted by: kansas at November 16, 2010 07:04 AM (mka2b)

45 What's a little disturbing is how radicalized the remaining democrats are. These are people who have no problems hooking up with CPUSA, La Raza, SEIU, Working Family Party , Acorn, etc. to really undermine and destroy the Republic.
They've got nothing to loose, and are going to really try to make the financial crisis worse, so they "won't let it go to waste".
I just wish we'd start going after these guys soon, because they've got no respect for law and order, and have no problems using violence against their opponents.

Posted by: Iblis at November 16, 2010 07:04 AM (hLGVM)

46 TIME 2010 Person of the Year: Our Subscriber

Posted by: t-bird at November 16, 2010 07:05 AM (FcR7P)

47 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 16, 2010 11:02 AM (3fI44) Obama is Lady Gaga. She always grabs the headlines whenever he leaves the country.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 16, 2010 07:05 AM (9Cooa)

How about 'Minority Minority Leader' for Clyburn?

If Botox Nancy creates a new position for Clyburn, will it be counted as a job saved or created?

Posted by: President Billy Ray Valentine at November 16, 2010 07:06 AM (3PqHz)

49 Does Nancy lose her plane?

Yes.

The next question is, what will she choose: Pornavision, or fondling?

Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at November 16, 2010 07:07 AM (cCItt)

50 Time: Soon to be sold for One Dollar and over priced at that.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 16, 2010 07:08 AM (RKpGM)

"Heath Shuler (D)
Major Bills    Vote
HEALTH CARE BILL    No
STIMULUS PACKAGE    No
TARP    No"

for Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi

That last one trumps all the others. If he really has conservative convictions, he'll change the D after his name to R. Otherwise, it's all for show.

Posted by: Log Cabin at November 16, 2010 07:13 AM (e0nB5)

52 Only Dems in the very safest of districts dare vote for Nancy redux.

Posted by: MCPO Airdale at November 16, 2010 07:13 AM (SsNRK)

53 LDC, for all the whining on the left - you would think the Koch Brothers have it locked up.

Posted by: Jean at November 16, 2010 07:17 AM (7Jipo)

54 And two Dems are suing Huffington because she stole their genius idea. !!eleventy!!

I think they *all* got together and watched The Social Network and stole the idea of stealing.

Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at November 16, 2010 07:18 AM (cCItt)

TIME 2010 Person of the Year:
Our Subscriber

Hilarious....Dr Mentadent will see you now.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 16, 2010 07:21 AM (8lCJT)

56 <br><br>I love the smell of burnt Democratic electoral flesh in the morning!<br>

Posted by: Vincent Vega at November 16, 2010 07:21 AM (SpNXP)

57 The CBC in the running with the NAACP for title of the most racist organization in the U.S.

They always view everything through the filter of race.

Posted by: Vic at November 16, 2010 07:23 AM (/jbAw)

58 59, Hey Vic, you mentioned in another thread about viruses riding in some Adobe Program (can't remember). How do you turn that program off. I'm using Firefox.

Posted by: Sukie Tawdry at November 16, 2010 07:33 AM (jbCcb)

59 Drew, please correct your typo of Heath Shuler's name. I don't want to be associated with a Democrat if I can avoid it

Posted by: JSchuler at November 16, 2010 07:34 AM (yKEQc)

60 I'll get you Heath, and your Blue Dogs too!

Damn you, i snorted coffee all over my keyboard.

Posted by: Penfold at November 16, 2010 10:46 AM (1PeEC)

I saw P.J. O'Rourke on CSpan over the weekend and he was funny. He mentioned that She Who Cannot Be Named surprised him with her "I am not a witch" ad but at least she addressed the issue. It's still an open question regarding Hillary.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 16, 2010 07:34 AM (xxgag)

61 48 TIME 2010 Person of the Year: Our Subscriber
____________

They already tried that one a few years ago.

Posted by: Anachronda at November 16, 2010 07:35 AM (NmR1a)

62 The Dem's pet pit bull, the CBC,is biting them in the ass. That's quality entertainment.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 16, 2010 07:36 AM (xxgag)

63 How do you turn that program off. I'm using Firefox.

Posted by: Sukie Tawdry at November 16, 2010 11:33 AM (jbCcb)

Adobe Flash Player

I just never enabled it on FF. Go to the options and remove it.

Also get adbloc and noscript.

Posted by: Vic at November 16, 2010 07:58 AM (/jbAw)

64 James Clyburn gets a very special position made just-for-him, it comes with a hat and a whistle and a gold star decal that he can pit on his security badge!
Now when he is making macaroni pictures of himself as a cowboy-astronaut he can have all the self-esteem goodness that a six figure earning, dead wood human-tapeworm can possibly enjoy! Isn't it awesome! Our house of representatives is a fucking Montessori day care center. Thanks Nancy!

Posted by: Boxy Brown at November 16, 2010 08:26 AM (Y4Fu0)

That last one trumps all the others. If he really has conservative convictions, he'll change the D after his name to R. Otherwise, it's all for show.

Posted by: Log Cabin at November 16, 2010 11:13 AM (e0nB5)

Nothing wrong with having DINOs to balance out any RINOs we might have. He's still on the other side though - as you can see by the trimming he did to explain his vote as a liberal vote.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 16, 2010 08:36 AM (z1N6a)

66 Pity Clyburn doesn't have the balls to challenge Nancy for minority leader. That would be fun.

Posted by: Schreiber at November 16, 2010 09:23 AM (WqMcy)

67 So the CBC doesn't like a white-bread nancy-pants dem to tell one of their members to go to the back of the bus?

Good on them.

You can't make this stuff up.

Posted by: Flounder at November 16, 2010 09:43 AM (Kkt/i)

No 10. Shuler's district isn't susceptible to creative mapmaking as its longest boundaries are with adjoining states. Indeed it only borders one other NC ongressional distirct, that of Republican Patrick McHenry. Any change made to hurt Shuler, such as detaching part of heavily Democrat Buncombe county, would also hurt McHenry.

Posted by: NC Mountain Girl at November 16, 2010 10:15 AM (h7SUM)

69 #25, the other thing that pisses me off about Geraldo is he's a huge 101st jock-sniffer. Our leadership in the Division does not need some fanboy reporter slobbering on them and distracting them. He's bragged on air about the amount of times he's "come over in country to visit the Screaming Eagles."

Posted by: SGT Dan at November 16, 2010 11:47 AM (GgXZc)

70 The best way to solve all this hooha is to dump Pelosi, make Hoyer minority leader and Clyburn whip. The dims will never do it. And I don't want them to. Pelosi in the hot seat is the best thing for republicans. As long as they are in disarray the better for us. Hopefully, they will alienate the CBC.and things will get very sticky. Members of the CBC hold grudges forever. And blacks all over the country will take this as another put down to the black man. This time by their own party. Them not realizing this is business as usual for the dims.

Posted by: BarbaraS at November 16, 2010 02:43 PM (P/9nk)

Clyburn' s New Position: Separate but Equal?

In the finest tradition of a Jim Crow Democrat, Nancy Pelosi creates a leadership position that noone thinks is equal to the Hoyer position even though it reports directly to Pelosi.

Clyburn's peers didn't support Clyburn for the #2 job so Pelosi did a social promotion so that no one has to feel bad about not getting a passing grade.

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