1 I gotta get out and breath some fresh air and clear my head.  We're living in the Land of Oz.  The flies landing on Il Douche are a sign.

2 They want to raise taxes, even though they haven't come up with a budget yet!

3 BANZAI!!!!

4 Proof Democrats have no brains from birth.

5 It's a trap!

6 That would be an unbelievably dangerous precedent to set:  major alterations to the GovernmentTax Code/Regulations/Etc. by an exiting Lame Duck "majority"?

Do you think they really want to go there?

 

7 but that nice jug eared fella promised me no new taxes if I make under $250,000??????

8 PALOMINO! PALOMINO! PALOOOOO_MINO!

9 #6

They've already passed a sweeping and massively unpopular healthcare reform act via "reconciliation" legislative trickery.

Why on earth would this be any different?

10 Well, based on how much retired school administrators make, aren't they gonna feel this tax pinch?  Blue on blue action.  Awesome.

11

if (when) the Democrats lose big in November, I wonder what they'll be doing during the lame duck session...

Let's not be too confident about a big win in November. The conservatives in England made that mistake and were surprised.

12 6 That would be an unbelievably dangerous precedent to set:  major alterations to the GovernmentTax Code/Regulations/Etc. by an exiting Lame Duck "majority"?

Do you think they really want to go there?

 

Posted by: Techie at June 23, 2010 10:59 AM (zbH+i)

Ummm.....yeah?

13

The conservatives in England made that mistake and were surprised.

Which is why I'm still PM, right?

14 They've already said they're going to be working on car and trade during the lame duck session.

15

Great, we will be able to use the video footage of Obama promising unequivocally that he won't raise any taxes on the middle class.

And when i say we, i mean people not associated with the RNC because they are too damned retarded to make smart political moves.

16 What iceberg?  Full speed ahead!

17 Change that 200,000 to 40,000 and you can re-use that story in about a year's time. Because you know that's where this is headed.

18 15

Watch him run on the "I said I wouldn't raise your taxes, congress did!" plank. Despite he would have to sign off of any increases (besides the Bush cuts lapsing).

19 Do you think they really want to go there?
Posted by: Techie at June 23, 2010 10:59 AM (zbH+i)

Of course they will go there. And the press will cover for them. And the GOP will try it, same rules, the next time they are in the majority, and the press will excoriate them for it, making it seem like the Fourth Reich (Fifth, Sixth, whatever number we are on now). Just like usual.
Make sure everyone you know sees and understands what is happening.

20

I honestly think the blue dog democrats that get wiped out in november will do the exact opposite.  I am betting they stop any lame duck legislation from passing.

They will all blame Obama for their loses and rightfully so.

When was the last time you did a solid for someone who screwed you over and cost you your job, even if you agreed with them ideologically.

It will be interesting to watch how Arlen Specter votes. He will be the bellweather. He got screwed by Obama, and i think he will start voting against some of the democrat policies or at the very least won't be slavishly voting for everything they want.

21 Leviathan's appetite is never satiated.  The more it is fed, the more ravenous it becomes. 

22 Carter and Reagan are like last week in my memory.  Have people already forgotten the economic lessons learned from their administrations?  Do people generally forget things things like that, um, more quickly than me?

23 during the lame duck session...

Let's not be too confident about a big win in November. The conservatives in England made that mistake and were surprised.

Posted by: CJ at June 23, 2010 11:01 AM (9KqcB)

Agreed.  With the possible exception of the New York Jets, no organization on earth is better at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory than the RNC.

24

18

I few months ago they tried to back away from that campaign promise or at least distance themself from that.

25 Hey, Diane F, here's a thought.  Why don't we take every penny you have salted away for a rainy day and just let you live off your fucking Senator's salary and retirement plan for the rest of your life?  You're RICH, so you get to forfeit everything!  Bitch.

26
Here we go:

The democrats live, breathe, eat, shit, fuck and drool to TAX.

(sweet control)

27

rdbrewer, nearly 40% of voters were not alive during the Carter Admin.  At least half of us don't remember it well at all.

Furthermore, even some of those who do remember it will attribute Reagan's recovery to luck, or increased spending.

28 Whats that American tax payer? Your a naughty girl American tax payer! *slaps America's ass*

29 The Dems can do whatever they want during the lame duck session, because the Republicans won't repeal anything, as usual.

Also, is it OK to raise taxes in a "good" economy? Doesn't that kind of contribute to the economy going bad?

30 Household income data compiled by the Census Bureau in 2008 shows that families earning over $250,000 fall into the top 2 percent.

Where in the hell did that number come from? I find it damn hard to believe. My yardstick for middle class is a two earner couple, a police Sargent and a nurse who live in a moderate suburb.

In most areas in the country that can easily run to over $200K a year for both incomes.

Perhaps they are stirring the numbers to include illegals working under the table combined with people who don't work at all. 

31 Should be news coming out soon about rising insurance premiums and more on the actual costs of health care and the number of companies who will no longer be offering healthcare and about how it will really not be possible for people to keep their health insurance after all. Of course this will all be spun but it will amount to a major hit on the deficit. And, of course, no one will even bring up the possibility of spending cuts, and if anyone has the brass to try they will be vilified for even considering citing the sacred cows of social programs that are the biggest drains on the economy. Republican leadership has got to find the ands to stand up to the insane accusations from the left before the is nothing left of this country to save. Like the article said yesterday, we need a fat president.

32
The democrats are not interested in taxing the super-rich.  No. No. NO!

Warren Buffet's zillions are not to be touched.

The sweet spot are those evil middle class rich people.  The hard working stiffs who make America work.

33

I'm not getting my hopes up for November: for one thing the Dems have to be ousted from their majority, and they will try to cheat; for another, the Repubs would have to be the "right kind" of Rs or else they will act just like the Ds (or they might protest a bit -- but that is for keeping up appearances).

Republicans like statism just as much as Democrats (or at least a large number of them do).  The last 2 years has shown me that.

To hell with both parties.

34 Posted by: Sharkman at June 23, 2010 11:11 AM (Zj8fM)

She'll be able to live off the defense contracts certain to come her husband's way in the coming years. She'll probably donate .3% of her salary to charity, and call it good, just like VP Bite-Me.

35 Amazing how with Democrats it's never about cutting spending; it's always about how to squeeze the citizenry for more money via increased taxes of some sort.

Idiots, the whole lot of them.

36 Congress: Cutting progressively larger holes in the hull of the Ship of State to build a bigger bailing bucket since 1913.

37 “With the debt and deficit we have, you can’t make promises to people."

The promise has already been made, Feinstein, you pile of dried up dog feces. Your Boy King Obama made it over and over again on the campaign trail. Helped him win the White House as I recall.

38 They want to raise taxes, even though they haven't come up with a budget yet!

Of course, that was the point of the Hoyer statements on the "Committee". The budget will come after the "committee".

39 25 Hey, Diane F, here's a thought.  Why don't we take every penny you have salted away for a rainy day and just let you live off your fucking Senator's salary and retirement plan for the rest of your life?  You're RICH, so you get to forfeit everything!  Bitch.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 23, 2010 11:11 AM (Zj8fM)

There, you have it- "wealth" and "income" are NOT THE SAME THING.  When the libs scream "Tax the Rich!" what they are really saying is "Tax the people who are PRODUCTIVE EARNERS".

The "idle rich" class (which includes most of them) is not part of that group.

40
It's almost comical to watch the Democrats take the public credit card and max it out.  Then with a straight face - the democrats insist we tax paying suckers must pay up.
 - "hey, you know what? we're gonna have to raise your taxes to pay for our uncontrolled socialist spending binge."
   --Diane Frankenstein

41 Apparently "spreading the wealth around" really just means taking from regular people and giving to the government... who could have guessed?!

42

“You could go lower, too — why not $200,000?” said Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.). “With the debt and deficit we have, you can’t make promises to people. This is a very serious situation.”

 

With the debit and deficit they'll have to tax kids' allowances. It's a very serious situation that she helped create but let's jam it up the tax payers ass to pay for it.

43 'By not making the tax cuts permanent, Bush raised your taxes on Jan 1, 2011.  Now watch this drive.' - B+

44 30  That same couple you describe would be lucky to clear 90K here Vic -- the rural areas don't support that sort of salary.  Perhaps you don't realize just how "poor" a good section of the rural working/middle class is; 90K would make you a rich, rich person where I live -- 25 - 50K for a two worker family is closer to the norm (and explains the phenomena of a two worker family needing welfare around here).

45 And do you remember the old tactic of the totalitarian failed states of diverting attention away from internal problems by starting conflicts with other countries? http://tinyurl.com/2639ch3 Looks like that whole engagement idea may not be the panacea we were led to believe it was. Didn't see that one coming!

46 You know, we could erase the deficit...if every elected Democrat actually paid his taxes.  How many tax cheats are in the White House now?  I lost count, honestly.

47 Barry, "Wo,this socialism shit's expensive!"

48 That same couple you describe would be lucky to clear 90K here Vic -- the rural areas don't support that sort of salary.

It is consistent with a lot of police officers and nurses that I knew in Oakland. I currently live in a small town/rural environment and I know that that same couple doesn't make 200K here, but not many of ANY job make that here in SC.

But, I would say that that couple in a moderate size town in a State like OH would.

49 I deem america fucked

50 46  I think that should be grounds for impeachment don't you?

51
They democrats are already going to raise taxes on everyone, without even doing anything.  The Bush tax cuts sunset at the end of 2010. 

(Tax cuts that helped keep unemployment low during the Bush years.  oh noez!)

52 44 30  That same couple you describe would be lucky to clear 90K here Vic -- the rural areas don't support that sort of salary.  Perhaps you don't realize just how "poor" a good section of the rural working/middle class is; 90K would make you a rich, rich person where I live -- 25 - 50K for a two worker family is closer to the norm (and explains the phenomena of a two worker family needing welfare around here).

Posted by: unknown jane at June 23, 2010 11:21 AM (5/yRG)

Same here..

53

48  I need to move to Ohio then -- I'm waiting for the big mass migration away from here (like the Okies in Steinbeck).

It's getting ridiculous -- a family of 4 with two people working full time shouldn't have to apply for food stamps, and yet we are starting to have that situation here.  They barely have the gas money to get to work (the manufacturing and agricultural decline has clobbered this area...there aren't enough service jobs needed and Walmart isn't exactly the sort of place that pays enough to make ends meet).  Taxes haven't helped either -- they are being made into paupers because of taxes; so we have people who work their asses off and pay into the system...only to have to rely on the system to feed themselves because they don't bring home enough of their paycheck and the cost of living has gone skyhigh.

Seems there's a bit of a problem there.

54 The 'Rats economic playbook reads like Jack Torrance's novel in The Shining, except instead of having "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy" over and over again, it reads "Tax, tax, tax, tax 'em all, everything moving or not!".

55 1/2 an hour is all the time obama could spare the General? oh yeah....it's wednesday.....party day!

56

Just wondering when their going to get around to launching a few nukes at us useless taxpaying rednecks here in flyover country.

Might as well, they've hit us with everything else.

57

I'd like to hear a real historian, i.e., someone like Victor David Hanson, discuss the historical parallels between our current state of hostile, hate-America leadership, and what has happened down through history when other nations have suffered through such times. 

We are putting the wisdom and foresight of our founding fathers to the test.  Were those old dead white men of the 1700's able to devise a government that could save itself from the evil of Barack Obama and his helpmates?

58 57 Don't give them any ideas...

59 Don't count on Mark Kirk, the only possible R that can win in the State of Illinois, actually winning.  A) he's a RINO; B) he's a liar and is running from the press like a sissy; C) the voters of this State are so incredibly stupid that they will vote for a D whose business prowess cost the taxpayers $400 million.

60 Could it be that Steny Hoyer is pulling a little Mao guerrilla warfare number on his own party?  He wants Nan's job, so he will make things as bad as possible in the upcoming cycle so that she loses the SOH.  He takes over for her, and either rules over a much-diminished majority, or a minority with hopes of a comeback.  Thoughts?

61 We don't have time to discuss this in a committee.

62 Posted by: unknown jane at June 23, 2010 11:33 AM (5/yRG)

Well Jane I don't know what to say. I don't know where you live, but here in SC where I live now is one of the poorest States in the union.

A two-wage earner couple like I described above here would most likely make between 80K and 100K per year here in a moderate size city assuming some overtime.

When my wife was laid off about 15 years ago, the last year she worked she made 55K. I normally pulled in between 75K and 85K a year the last 5 years I worked and that was down from previous years because I had been reclassified to exempt and no longer was paid for overtime.

63

You could go lower, too — why not $200,000?” said Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.). “With the debt and deficit we have, you can’t make promises to people. This is a very serious situation.”

 

I take your 200k and lower you 100k!  I mean what's the difference?  They both have the same number of zeros after them!

64

You ain't seen nothing yet.  Just wait til these assholes go full retard in their lame duck session. 

I wouldn't put it past Benedict Arlen to be plotting his 2016 re-election campaign.  He could flip flop to  Republican again and vote no on all the spending as a lame duck.  He could then use that voting record to get re-elected.  I wouldn't be surprised.  Even though he'd be older than the crypt keeper, I'm sure he thinks he's still viable.  He just got screwed by the Democrats this election, that's all.  He's that deluded.

65 The democrats live, breathe, eat, shit, fuck and drool to TAX.

(sweet control)

I read an interesting definition of freedom the other day: freedom is the opportunity to be responsible for yourself. High taxes remove that opportunity, by reducing the wealth you can accumulate. The constantly-growing regulatory state remove that opportunity, by taking control of aspects of your life (like, say, the amount of salt in your diet). The constantly-growing entitlement state removes the NEED to take responsibility for yourself, because, hey, if you can get the state to take money from other people at gunpoint and use it to pay for your new cell phone, why do you need to set aside money to pay for it?

The left hates people who are responsible for themselves, because those people are unlikely to give them power over the lives of others. People who have earned what they have do not begrudge another person what they've earned...

66

The left hates people who are responsible for themselves, because those people are unlikely to give them power over the lives of others. People who have earned what they have do not begrudge another person what they've earned

 

Amen!

67 63  How close to a metropolitan area are you?  That seems to make a big difference -- I'm located in an area that is at least 2 1/2 hours from any metro area.

68 How close to a metropolitan area are you?  That seems to make a big difference -- I'm located in an area that is at least 2 1/2 hours from any metro area.

I am 2 hours from any metro area. I live in a county with a population of about 70K near a town with a population of 7K.

69 22 Carter and Reagan are like last week in my memory. Have people already forgotten the economic lessons learned from their administrations? Do people generally forget things things like that, um, more quickly than me? Posted by: rdbrewer at June 23, 2010 11:10 AM (HWuIy) For the same reason that there's always a fresh crop of newly hormoned teenagers every few years to take up the mantles of the same old horndog rock n roll bands; there's always a fresh crop of suckers who haven't been fucked yet. They all think that not only won't this shit affect them, but that they have yet to benefit and are about to. I'm not saying anything no one doesn't already know. Two-state solution; civil war optional.

70

Here's the danger: if (when) the Democrats lose big in November, I wonder what they'll be doing during the lame duck session...

Elections?

You really think there'll be elections in November?

 

71 Taxes, the cause of and the solution to all of life's problems.

72

“The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the presidency. It will be easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails us. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president.”

73 Negative..... I feel Obama is just evil, mean, and cold hearted. The poor smucks that voted for it are being totally screwed by it. The black family is destroyed by the first semi-black president. I do not believe Obama even has a soul. No one with a soul would do this stuff to any living creature. Obama will pay for his evil some day.......

74 Vic,
 most of the country is about the same range as SC for your example couple. I lived in Columbus OH - a Nurse an Police Sgt there would make about 100-150K (the upper end being if they had been doing it for a while)

California is an outlier, and even then, only parts of it, as are many of the larger Northeastern cities. Much of the country has a cost of living comparable to Columbia or Charlotte (where I now live).

It doesn't really matter though. If we set the threshold of 'rich' to 200K, how long before it is redefined to be 150K then 75K, etc? It will be eventually, as history has proven.

I'm sure many of use recall hearing the word 'rich' mean millionaire - someone who COULD pay cash for  200K sports car. In 30 years, 'rich' might mean 'anyone who owns any property whatsoever'.

75 The black family is destroyed by the first semi-black president.

LBJ was black?

because, hey, if you can get the state to take money from other people at gunpoint and use it to pay for your new cell phone, why do you need to set aside money to pay for it?

That kinda goes back to household income by percentiles; welfare is not counted as income.  If your household receives $30k/yr in housing, medical, childcare, food, and utility subsidies on top of the $10k/yr or so you make at your part-time job, your household is not counted as having $40k/yr in income...and statistically you're "beneath the poverty line" even though you're actually better off in the bottom line than your neighbor, whose household makes $40k/yr taxable wages.

76

I'm sure many of use recall hearing the word 'rich' mean millionaire - someone who COULD pay cash for  200K sports car. In 30 years, 'rich' might mean 'anyone who owns any property whatsoever'.

 

I'm sure that the Dems are trying to figure out how they can tax people on their total assets.

77

“With the debt and deficit we have CREATED, you can’t make KEEP promises to people. This is a very serious situation GREAT OPPORTUNITY.”

FIFY

78

69  Well, that's about similar -- although my county has even less people.  Of course, this is IL, south central to be exact -- people are just getting killed with taxes and no, the average wages around here are fairly low.  Granted, the cost of living is lower than a lot of places (housing isn't too bad here), but food and gas are about the same maybe a bit higher (I remember it being cheaper when I went out to see my daughter, and she was in SC).

I know the cops out here make about 40K on the high end (it depends upon which department you work for); nurses, depends upon which hospital you work for and what department you are in, but average I'd say is 80K.  They are at the upper end of the middle class socio-economic bracket however (almost into the rich category).  Like I said, average salaries are not that high around here...and with the taxes it's killing people.

If you get closer to a larger city of say 50,000, depending upon the city, the job situation looked better -- but now there is only one city within driving distance that has a vestige of manufacturing left where the taxes aren't so insane that the average worker couldn't live there, and it isn't too healthy.  Most of the other moderate sized cities around here are college towns, and I swear they want to consider themselves mini-Berkleys (one of the local BOG colleges is a pretty good case in point; it's a relatively conservative college, but the lefty/hippie push to make it little commune on the prairie is in high gear) -- in other words they don't want nasty factories or farms, or the awful sweaty workers to mar their perfect images of themselves...with resulting socio-economic problems.  And they are a pretty good drive from here, so...people are getting stuck with very little choice.

 

The situation in the lower half of Illinois is pretty freaking grim.

79 I'm sure that the Dems are trying to figure out how they can tax people on their total assets.

...and the loopholes to keep Kennedys, Pelosis, Clintons, Shrivers, Kohls--how many multi-millionaires with their wealth offshored am I missing?!--from paying that tax.

80 Cuomos, Obamas, Rockefellers....

81

73  Heh, yeah...a lot of yellow dogs have gotten their eyes opened in a big way the last two years.  But they are offset by the die hard "liberals" (who are anything but) -- I swear this man could order their heads chopped off and they would go to the executioner singing his praises. 

Their support for him goes beyond all reason and common sense; it's more than a bit creepy (I don't remember such blind devotion to Carter or Clinton, or to Reagan for the flip side...this is a new and disturbing trend in America if you ask me).

82 82 you better add all of Hollywood and the sports stars -- none of those folks will ever see their assets whittled away imho.

83 Then move from South Illinois to Indiana or Kentucky. I would leave that Shit Hole Called  Illinois and move on.

84 I saw a picture of Obama on Drudge with a fly on his face. Don't flies like to land on a "Pile of Shit"?

85 I'm sure many of use recall hearing the word 'rich' mean millionaire - someone who COULD pay cash for  200K sports car. In 30 years, 'rich' might mean 'anyone who owns any property whatsoever'.

That was my point to begin with. When the income tax was initially passed it was supposed to be only for the "rich" and they did mean rich then.

The problem was they continually raised the rates and they never indexed it for inflation. You will notice that the commies currently in office haven't said a peep about the AMT fix this year.  That was supposed to be only for the rich as well so that they would not be able to skew the deductions so that they didn't pay any taxes.

I personally do not consider a couple with a family income of 200K to be rich. I would place them at the upper end of the middle class depending on where they live. If they were living in my old neighborhood in Castro Valley, CA those old 50s style track houses on postage stamp size lots are going for $550/sq ft now AFTER the drop. 200K/yr with the other costs in that area is not enough to buy one of those 50s style track houses, so I would hardly call it "rich" there.

I know the cops out here make about 40K on the high end (it depends upon which department you work for); nurses, depends upon which hospital you work for and what department you are in, but average I'd say is 80K.

Jane, the local cops in my small town area probably top out around 40K. I know entrance salary is < 20K based on an add in the paper, but that is before you are trained and added to the squad. Nurse at the local hospital probably make between 60K and 80K (registered) and much more with overtime.

86

80 ...and the loopholes to keep Kennedys, Pelosis, Clintons, Shrivers, Kohls--how many multi-millionaires with their wealth offshored am I missing?!--from paying that tax.

 

IIRC, when Rose Kennedy died, in Massachussetts, her son Teddy tried (and might have succeeded, it dragged on) to get her declared a resident of Florida posthumously.  Because MA has huge estate & income taxes, and Florida has none.

It came out that in the last 10 years of her life, she had not set foot in Florida.  But Teddy was determined to get residency status for her dead body, in order to avoid MA taxes. 

Big fat hypocrites, those liberals.

87 I see our dear leader is to talk about the fate of Gen. Mac at 1330. I wonder if the ball-less wonder Obama can fire the war hero???

88

LBJ was black?

Curiously enough, yes, but apparently only on weekends.

89

Ok, on the "tax the rich" fantasy, here goes.

Basically when your talking about the 200k-250k and up tax bracket you have three basic categories.

Married couples who both have halfway decent jobs, at least given the standard of living in most areas. 

Small business owners, many of whom are actually filing their taxes as individuals because overall it's a hell of a lot less hassle and you have a much better chance of at least getting close to figuring out what you owe without having to hire an accountant.

The truly wealthy, millionaires, billionares, CEO's - the true movers and shakers.

Ok, so you raise taxes on these folks, what happens?

The married couples at the bottome of this bracket are stuck, they just have to pay up.  The small businesses?  Well, those that can will raise the costs of whatever goods or services they provide to help offset the expense of paying higher taxes.

The big boys, the real movers and shakers?  Oh ya, these guys most definately are going to raise the cost of whatever goods and services the business they own provides.

The end result?  Next time you go to Walmart, or the grocery store, or whever your paying a couple of extra pennies on each and every item you buy.  The cost doesn't go up fast enough for most people to even notice, and since it's spread out over the thousands of items they carry again you don't really notice until you get to the check out stand.

So the end result, regardless of MFM lies and Libertard econuts claims to the contrary, whenever you raise taxes on the "rich" it's the middle class, us poor working stiffs, who end up paying for it.

I really hope people start figuring this out eventually, so they'll finaly move past this class warfare BS that's killing us all and stop voting in all these thieving liberal bastards who keep dipping into my wallet for every idiotic pet project and it's brother.

90 Raising taxes when the economy is smoldering is exactly the right thing to do. I've been to the Huffington Post blog, and those people are pretty sure its the way to go. I'll never get that time back. Fuck.

91 The Democrats have the courage to raise taxes anytime,
but they never have the courage to say no to new spending.

92 It's all based on ... 2+2=5 ± 1

93

Which is why I'm still PM, right?

Posted by: Gordon Brown at June 23, 2010 11:03 AM (VDgKF)

Not quite, Gordy. But the conservativevs didn't win nearly as many seats as they predicted. Because they coasted.

94

84  Well, duh yeah (sorry, the entire situation makes me a bit pissy) -- I have been been pushing for a move for some time now, but I see my husband's point: there would be a house to sell and break even on in a down market; there is the situation with us both finding jobs and an affordable place; and there is my mom to consider (she's old and we probably shouldn't move too far away).  There are a lot of considerations.

Besides, it isn't just about me -- when you have a situation as is developing in this state it does affect everyone.  The solution of "just move" might work for me as an individual, but it does not address the problem.  That is what I'm referring to -- not my own personal situation.  We are still keeping our heads above water, but there are many here who are not.  This chafes me to no end.

95

86 I would not consider them rich -- ok, around here they would be considered "rich", and that perhaps is a clue to the problem as well.

But that isn't the arguement for me -- as people making 100 - 500K a year drive a good portion of the economy, as they (used) to have a decent amount of disposable income, which means they went places and bought things, even opened up little businesses of their own -- which kept other people working and earning, allowing them to do the same albeit at a much more modest level.

Around here, those people have been getting pretty few and far between and the ones that remain do not have the disposable income that they once did...and thus the economic slump worsens.

96 Here's the danger: if (when) the Democrats lose big in November, I wonder what they'll be doing during the lame duck session...

Looking for ways to get back in power. Which doesn't include enraging voters even more.

97 I would love to have more information on this undersea robot that took the cap off the well. If BP owned the sub I believe the media would be hysterical about the incompetence of BP. So far only crickets chirping so did the sub belong to the media? I hope someone has more info on this.

98

@6: "That would be an unbelievably dangerous precedent to set:  major alterations to the GovernmentTax Code/Regulations/Etc. by an exiting Lame Duck "majority"?"

No danger at all.  The GOP would never have the balls to try it, and even if they did, the Dems would scream bloody murder with full media support.  There is no risk to them.  The only precedent is that once they've done it, they'll be free to do it again with the claim that "everyone does it".

"Do you think they really want to go there?"

Yes. Ja. Oui. Hai. Da. Si. Sea.

99 When the Dems trot out the class warfare shit it's always the same.  When it comes down to it, if you got a job you're rich.  Tax the rich=tax the workers.

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