1

 

alliteration for the win!

2 Is "detroit" a verb yet?

3

 

organic farms, i hope?

 

4 Sounds like a sweet deal to me-- keep my house, lose the neighbors.

5 so if you just tell them you'll build a road to their house and otherwise convert the neighborhood to farmland, they'll come to terms.


That sounds way better than living in a high-density area to me, but I grew up in the back end of nowhere.

6 they don't have nearly enough and will be mulcting the feds Um, what exactly is mulcting? It sounds painful.

7 Nice title!

8

 

make it a casino

9 I would think there are other costs too - sewer mains, electricity etc.  I would say bribe them by moving them to a nicer house then the one they left.

If they really refuse to leave, simply unincorporate those neighborhoods and stop charging property taxes and providing services. 

10 And The Wookie can mentor the stay-behinds on farming gardening having young school children work their fields. 

11 >>>Sounds like a sweet deal to me-- keep my house, lose the neighbors. Right. There is a bit of a downside, though. If that land gets zoned for purposes antagonistic to people living there -- imagine a slaughterhouse, with all the stink and animal-screams -- it might not be all that wonderful. But if that's folks' choice, it's their choice. The urban planners ought not to get too carried away with executing their dream plan to the letter. Yeah, it's their dream this all be abandoned farmland, but who the fuck cares what their dream is? A dream has to bend to real humans' desires.

12 If the farms have cows, will they choose the farting or non-farting type?

13 Maybe it's time to abolish Detroit? I'm just sayin'...

14 >>> would think there are other costs too - sewer mains, electricity etc. But that stuff's already there.

15 well last year they were actually moving the derelicts from their derelilct neighborhoods to the wealthy neighborhoods with foreclosed homes......so the have nots moved into the couldn't keeps homes...........

16 I dunno, Ace - looks like some of those neighborhoods could only be improved with "stink and animal-screams"...

17 moving the derelicts from their derelilct neighborhoods to the wealthy neighborhoods with foreclosed homes

Way to punish the folks who pay their mortgages more than they're already being punished.  Gah.

18

All that wonderful farmland, without the ickey farmers, who are republican destroyers of Gaia.

The crops will grow themselves, and we'll have wind farms that decrease our electric rates by 3,000%

It will be fabulous and we'll put in free bath-houses for the hobos.

19

 

Can they grow silica to make solar panels?

How about crops of hope?

20

Detroit!   Woo-hoo!

Let's hear it for the old home town.

Believe you me, condensing the city will do nothing bad for the place.  Nothing good either, likely, but vacant acres of land are not prime criminal grounds.  Police services will be easier to administer, as will al public services.  Look at the google satellite of detroit:

benson street and ellery street, detroit

The city is like that in several places. 

And modern urban planners would NEVER allow a slaughterhouse.  Ever.  They are fundamentally incapable of encouraging industry.

21 Maybe the city gov't can take this concept to its natural extreme and level the ENTIRE CITY.

22 There's a U-tube video out there about the 50 years of Demoncrap rule in Detroit and what it has caused.

What Detroit does with its vacant lots and abandoned crack houses should be the choice of Detroit. However, the American taxpayer should not be forced to pay for it.

All federal funds should be cut off to them and all other big cities. After that they will dry up and blow away or they will eliminate the communist policies that got them where they are now.

23 I do think at a certain pointyou make enoughmoney Detroit bleeds enough money.

24 These bitter racists clinging to their houses are acting stupidly.

25

 

meanwhile, the Black Caucus votes to keep automatic pay raises...

26 6 they don't have nearly enough and will be mulcting the feds

Um, what exactly is mulcting? It sounds painful.

Posted by: mokimoki at April 29, 2010 04:29 PM (IrV7s)

Haven't you heard the saying, "Keep mulcting that chicken!"

27 I'm very very tempted to spend $500 and buy a square mile of Detroit to use for Alextopia.  Of the bad, it's still in Detroit.  Of the good WORSHIP ME AND DESPAIR BITCHES. 

28 I can think of a lot of cities that would benefit from being returned to farmland. I yield to nobody in my contempt for most government programs but this is actually something the feds are supporting and a good idea to boot. Rubble is demoralizing and expensive. You don't even need to create farms to improve the situation in places like East St. Louis or Camden -- just demolish the hulks and let it go to grassland. Hire somebody to keep the grass mowed and it's a vast improvement on the current situation.

29

A little to the west, Erskine and Dubois, is an even better example.  6 blocks, like 5 houses.

30

 

I guess the racist Black Caucus dind't get Obama's memo that we all need to make sacrifices.

31

Many years ago. Coleman Young invited the whites to leave....

They took their money with them.  Young was unclear on the concept of "leave".

It's one thing to steal a color television set. But how do you steal wheat?  Tomatos get all smushy in the bag if you have to run.

Gonna be tough on the residents.

Maybe they'll find Obama's stash.

 

 

32

Two points...

1.  I don't think you can quantify how attatched people get to their homes.  We've been trying to move my 80 year old Mom out of the family home for 5 years, and we can't blast her out, because it IS her home... even though there are now abandoned homes on her block... (and we're talking Atwater Calif, ie central valley here)... she raised her kids there and STILL expects us to "come home"...

2.  In order to make this land over into farm land?  You are going to have to REMOVE all the sewer lines, water lines, power lines, roads, sidewalks, and foundations currently there... not an easy or cheap proposition...

33 This reminds me of Japan. (well, Japan plus rampant crime, failure, and a shitty football team) It's not uncommon to see little lots of rice paddies in the middle of a good-sized city.  It's a little weird to see, but you get used to it pretty quickly.

With only $40 Mil allocated to this brilliant idea, I can't imagine it will last long at ALL - especially once you factor in the massive graft, corruption, etc.  There's an economic factor as well - the houses are only worth nothing because nobody wants to buy them.  If the city suddenly gets in the market for EVERY house, then their prices are going to rise.

It'll last for 3 neighborhoods max.

34 Densify?

35 An abandoned city would be next to impossible to farm with all the concrete, wire, and various other crap buried a couple inches under the surface.

36 The problem is that even in blighted areas some homes are occupied, and the owners don't want to move.

Why aren't we gassing them?  Where is the poison gas?

37  

Sorry, ERSKINE and Dubois

38 Alex, Queen of the Damned@30

Heh.

39

Oh yes.  I can see it now.  Farms in Detroit.  We'll have Canadians swimming the Detroit River for the farm jobs. 

What could go wrong??

40 various other crap buried a couple inches under the surface.

Hey pal, I'm a human being.  And I'm a good three feet under the surface, smart guy.

41

Pfffft...give me a 12 pack of Yueng Ling and Cat D10T and let me have at her! I have that shithole flatter than a pancake at a libtard meet n greet. And I'll do it for free.

 

42 let it go to grassland. Hire somebody to keep the grass mowed

East St. Louis?  Indigenous prairie-type plants and burn it off once a year.  Just collect the AceFest banner first.

43 I don't imagine many people are actually super-psyched to live in a ghost-town of abandoned, decaying, burned-out homes.

Eh, it's not that bad once you have Lincoln's rifle and T-51b Power Armor.

44

Stimulus money at work.   Maybe we should try CASH for SHITHOLES or sumpin.

 

45 The crops will grow themselves, and we'll have wind farms that decrease our electric rates by 3,000%


Is that before or after you sift the ground for 10 years to get rid of all the crack pipes and hypo needles buried under the surface?

46 from everything I've read, most of the money will come from leasing out the farm land to public and private farmers. And I would be surprised if they would let the waterworks out there go to shit as they can just tap into it for agriculture and it wouldn't be that hard to run it into homes of people who decide not to move.

47

Hundred year old water and sewer mains leaking and either wasting fresh treated water or the sewer lines polluting the ground water, wooden electric poles slowly decaying into the ground.

I'd also be less than suprised if it didn't cost some money to make changes to serve one house left over rather than a whole neighborhood.

I yield to nobody in my contempt for most government programs but this is actually something the feds are supporting and a good idea to boot.

Just because the idea might be good, doesn't mean the gov't won't screw it up big time--and big money.

 

48 From the city's point of view, it doesn't sound like having 1 house in the middle of farmland will work, because the city is still obliged to provide services to that one house, and from the city's point of view, they are trying to save money.  Yes the water & sewer lines are there but at some point I bet the city is going to turn them off.

I guess I am not a huge fan of this idea as presented for the reason that it tends to view people as sheep that need to be herded together ("densified") in order to satisfy the city's grand master plan for the salvation of Detroit.  I am just allergic to the state thinking of citizens in those terms.  The CNN video showed that map with the blue dots with the neighborhoods "slated" for demolition.  How did the city come up with that map?  Did they go and ask the people "hey, do you want to live in this burned out neighborhood?"  I doubt it - it was probably some pencil-pusher looking at statistics who decided which neighborhood stays and which one goes.

Now, if the city held town hall meetings in these neighborhoods, and said something like "look, we're broke - we can't afford to provide services to the 2 or 3 people who live in this neighborhood full of vacant houses - if you want to stay, fine, then you're on your own, but if you want to leave, here's a plan and an incentive" - then that would be much more palatable to me.

49

Hey pal, I'm a human being.  And I'm a good three feet under the surface, smart guy.

You will make good fertilizer.

50 I swear, I keep having visions of The Stand.  Just something about living in the Age of Obama.

51

are they going to lose representation due to abandoned cities?  because az is going to lose representation because we didn't get enough people filling out the census..............

52 i'm glad we are losing representation.........the less idiots we send to dc the better off all of us will be

53 When the Democrats are done with the whole country, are we gonna bulldoze it under?

54 This reminds me of Japan. (well, Japan plus rampant crime, failure, and a shitty football team) It's not uncommon to see little lots of rice paddies in the middle of a good-sized city.  It's a little weird to see, but you get used to it pretty quickly. Posted by: Stewed Hamm

Umm, no, it's nothing like Japan. Those rice fields are there because the farmers have had over-representation in Japanese politics. Their power has prevented a lot of farm land from being developed for centuries. Why are 13 million Japanese crammed into the Tokyo metro area? Partially because of those laws.

Western economists have pointed out that if Japan were to tear up those laws, the Japanese economy would, for awhile, go vertical.

55

the drizzle

 

we're all being bulldozed now

56 I'd like to see the name of one farmer willing to rent the land, before spending a dime.

57

One thing Michigan lacks is farm land.    Another RETARD lib idea.

Maybe UNION workers can make all the tractors. 

THINK THIS SHIT THROUGH.  It's fucking Detroit. 

58 This plan has a problem in that it is designed and will be implemented by the same people that made Detroit what it is today.  I just don't see this ending well.

59 47 I don't imagine many people are actually super-psyched to live in a ghost-town of abandoned, decaying, burned-out homes.

Eh, it's not that bad once you have Lincoln's rifle and T-51b Power Armor.

Posted by: Garbonzo the Garrulous at April 29, 2010 04:46 PM (zgd5N)

 

Thread winner...

60 i'm glad we are losing representation

Aw, that's so cute.  Do you want us to pass along your list for Santa too?

61 If we cut off federal funds tot he city those people would leave.

62 Does anybody ever really leave Detroit?

63 Yes Detroit is exactly like Japan, only Japan is virtually Negro free.

64 Nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

65

Frankly, I suspect for most this is a bargaining position -- hold-outs tend to get paid more.

Absolutely correct!!

I live in a small lake community that has seen better days; the homes were primarily vacation homes to the NYC folks back in the 50's & 60's.  I can't wait for the day some big developer comes in and makes me an offer, they better bring a sharp pencil as my property is primo. Flat, lakeside land with an un-obstructed view. The only question will be, where do I go from here...maybe Detroit!

 

66
East St. Louis?  Indigenous prairie-type plants and burn it off once a year.  Just collect the AceFest banner first.

East St. Louis has actually made a rebound in recent years, mostly due to casino money.  Actual building going on and stuff.

67

What would they grow there???    I mean Obama couldn't sell watermelons at a Rap Festivus.

68

I'm with you guys.  They should hold out for 40 acres and a mule.   I'm sure they could get it.

 

69

What will they do with their Ho's??

 

70 Can someone explain how this isn't the broken window fallacy on steroids?

71 I think its a reasonable plan.  Tear down the ones they have condemned or own for non-payment of taxes, let the rest know that city services will be cut back, schools closed, etc.  They can use the sewers and water until they fail and then they are going to have to go to wells.

Even farmers need houses, so no big deal if surrounded by farm land.  besides when the great currency collapse comes, you want to be out of the city and by food production anyway.

Overall, I think it benefits more than hurts.  Less services to cover from taxes, the ones that want to be in city will help fill vacancies there, the ones that want to be out are choosing something they want.

The downside, govt will be running the operation, so probable fail.

72
I live in a house that requires only one outside utility resource and that is electricity. It would be much cheaper to drill a well and put in a septic tank than keep the infrastructure for water and sewer in place for one home.

73 Can someone explain how this isn't the broken window fallacy on steroids? Posted by: Randy

'Cause the windows were broken by the White Man's oppression and insatiable need for Greed! That's why, Mr. Nazi who asks too many questions!

74

77

Don't know if I'd want to get water from underneath DETROIT!

Who knows what crap is down there....

75

Fallout 4: Detroit

Fight for survival against terrors of a decaying metropolis, gangbangers, and feral Democrats deprived of taxpayer money!

The fourth game in the Fallout series, Fallout 4 is a singleplayer action role-playing game (RPG) set in a post-Democrat Detroit. Combining the horrific insanity of progressivism gone terribly wrong, with the kitschy naivety of Obama supporters, Fallout 4 will satisfy both players familiar with the popular first threegames in its series as well as those coming to the franchise for the first time.

76 If they want to stay, let 'em stay -- you can build farmlands around them. Maybe they like the idea of being surrounded by farms.

I've got a better idea: if they want to stay, then give them the land around them as farmland, on the condition that they be the ones to farm it.  Farms need somebody to run 'em, after all.  We can even sell it to Barry Lackwit and his marxist hordes as an American version of the kolkhoz.

77

If they really refuse to leave, simply unincorporate those neighborhoods and stop charging property taxes and providing services. 

I am betting that the decent people left in those areas of Detroit would prefer the far less corrupt government of Wayne County.

78 So their going to DESTROY the city in order to SAVE it?

79 Get OFF my lawn

http://tinyurl.com/23c8s83

Check it out

80 I live in Metro Detroit and have worked in the city.

It's not going to get any better until the libtards leave. And the 'victim' culture of the majority in the city changes.

Not sure if either will ever happen.

81

I'm very very tempted to spend $500 and buy a square mile of Detroit to use for Alextopia.  Of the bad, it's still in Detroit.  Of the good WORSHIP ME AND DESPAIR BITCHES. 

An idea of reviving the Homestead Act here. Having a community of like minded survivalists, well armed and armored, move into an abandoned area, each having one spouse start their survival farms and garden plots, while the other spouse works. The families could have one common homeschool for the kids, so as not to be part of the Detroit school system. Call it "Station Wagon Train".

Of course, the Commiecrats would call it racist.

82 Sorry that didn't work, use this address via google map

238 rhode island street, highland park, MI

83 It's not going to get any better until the libtards leave. And the 'victim' culture of the majority in the city changes.

No kidding.

Go read Bing's State of the City speech.

It's a laundry list of shakedowns he's started, porkulus redistribution he's chasing, and every other way possible to lock lips on every graft-ready nipple Obama's agenda is putting on the treasury's udder.

It costs the rest of us one hell of a lot just so these parasite assholes can play city government.

84 I wonder what crops could be grown in farmland created from demolished city blocks.  A small California town out here has better than 20% unemployment and at least 30% of the historic area business buildings are vacant.  The city, instead of successfully encouraging new businesses to move into the existing buildings, has chosen to pave over most of two parks that existed for over 100 years and put in new retail stores.  Seems there's liability attached to building over possibly contaminated soil.  Think asbestos and lead paint in older buildings.  So, what is the cost to decontaminate to US standards before the land can be farmed?

85 Wow.  Look at that desolation.  My jaw was on the floor the whole time.

Dear God, this is what Obama will do to this country.

Look what uber liberalism did to that once flourishing city.

Jesus

86 Well, they seem on track to screw up the farm  thing too by making it into some sort of communal farm system...  which worked so well in North Korea, and some Pilgrim colony I seem to remember a story about, to name a couple examples.

87 I work in the mortgage industry and can attest that the value of those bombed-out homes is negligable: around the $2000 mark or so, if you're lucky. So $40 mil would go quite a ways if you're only paying the low 4 figures for a place.

88 Well, they seem on track to screw up the farm  thing too by making it into some sort of communal farm system...

Good point.  These jerkoffs are so far left, I'm sure the question of who owns or will own the land never crosses their empty, Marxist minds.

89 2.  In order to make this land over into farm land?  You are going to have to REMOVE all the sewer lines

Wouldn't perforating them turn it into a ready made irrigation system?

90 DDDDDD

91 Detroit is testing out the theory behind the History Channel's BS series, life without humans.

92


Check out street view :

3658 Heidelberg St, Detroit, MI,

surreal.

Go up  and down the block.

Weirdest thing I ever saw

93

Detroit is testing out the theory behind the History Channel's BS series, life without humans.

"Life after Obama" showing the economic and social decay of the nation, would make an interesting series.

94 14 >>> would think there are other costs too - sewer mains, electricity etc.

But that stuff's already there.

Posted by: ace at April 29, 2010 04:33 PM (i6ROy)

Sure, but water mains don't work so well at 10% capacity, plus upkeep etc.

95 "Life after Obama" showing the economic and social decay of the nation, would make an interesting series.

It'd be dirt cheap, too.  Same video with new narration.

96 Money quote from City councilmen Brown..."Some folks aren't going to want to leave these neighborhoods.  We could give them a new home worth ten times as much in a viable neighborhood."  Perfect reason to become a hold-out...The President pro-tem of the City Council just gave it to them if they didn't think of it on their own...

97 The city council will never go along with this -- until they get their cut.

Jeebus, I don't miss that place.

98 Weirdest thing I ever saw

Yeah, they consider it "art."  Was supposed to be bulldozed several times.

99 Weirdest thing I ever saw

Shopping carts stuck in the tops of trimmed out trees???

100

How about crops of hope?

Posted by: Loopy de Loop at April 29, 2010 04:38 PM (uFokq)

Detroit: where the 'hope' don't grow no more.

101 Vegetables grown on superfund sites -- yum.

102

Vegetables grown on superfund sites -- yum.

Would ranching work better? Grass grows, cattle and horses eat it.

On that note, if you sent the kid to private school, would building a palatial home, with room for a horsie, in the abandoned part of Detroit work? (Assuming there was some sort of California Proposition 13 style law and the Commiecrats couldn't come back and hit you with taxes after gentrifying the place).

People do pay good money for estate-like homes where their kids can ride horsies.

103 Test

104 Ah yes, the prog wet dream of converting blighted neighborhoods into communal farmland for the peasants, er, I mean, for the people to grow food for the aristocracy, er, I mean, for themselves. Utopia!

What bullshit.

Follow the money. Some connected people own property in these blighted areas and can't sell for a profit so they cook up a scheme for the taxpayers to buy them out.

105

107  They sure do -- in fact, they like them so much that they build subdivisions around existing horse farms, causing said horse farm owner to eventually sell out (so as to avoid all the little subdivision brats and obnoxious subdivision dogs that seem to think said farm's pastures are open range, and said farm's horses to be public property).

Sorry -- perhaps I'm just a wee bit bitter....  I kinda like the idea of turning the tables though.

 

106 Was atc accurate when she said $500 for a square mile? That's a section (640 acres). You could grow a lot of weed corn, chicken, hogs, potatoes and assorted vegetables on that much land. We should all chip in and buy a few sections and establish the Moron Nation.

We certainly have better firepower than the locals, and much better marksmanship skills. Unemployed morons and moronettes would have more than enough to fill their days, and we even have a few farmers here to train us.

And think of the fun hunting down the hobos and assorted riff raff who try to steal our chickens. target practice daily!

I have to talk to my brother about this. I can hear the theme song for Green Acres in my head already ...

107 109  Unfortunately, you're probably right about what's going on.  Too bad, it would be nice to see the land converted into something useful, at least useful for something other than places to ditch dirty needles and dead bodies.

108 111 You know? That's almost tempting...wish it wasn't so damn cold though.

109

As fun as it is to bash this, the fact is that there's really nothing else to be done.  The Detroit work force is useless - they are too heavily contaminated with the union mentality.  The weather sucks.  The scenery sucks.  The place is famous for crime, pollution, and naught else.  The access to the great lakes is no longer all that valuable, compared to what it once was.  You'd have to cut taxes to zero, with a 100 year garuantee of no taxes, to have even the slightest hope of attracting business, but who would those businesses sell to once there?  The city is infested with welfare scum and leftists. 

It is unlikely that any enemy will come and bomb out Detroit for us.  Given that, tearing down the city bit by bit is the best plan.  Let the land go back to nature for all I care.  But demolish that eye sore.  Get rid of the multitude of derelict buildings, which at this point are nothing more than shells for the storage of contraband and the production of meth. 

110

#111: I like it. We would need a razor wire fenced perimeter and periodic block towers for safety, given Detroit.

We certainly have better firepower than the locals, and much better marksmanship skills.

The idea of practicing sniper skills from a distance on gangbangers is also appealing. It would be fun to take out one of those Nation of Islam types passing out "The Final Call". Could your shot hit his bowtie and maybe sever hime at the neck?

111

People do pay good money for estate-like homes where their kids can ride horsies, without getting stabbed, shot, or raped.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 29, 2010 06:01 PM (ujg0T)

Fixed!

Didn't you know that white people moving in and gentrifying the neighborhood is racist? See New York City as an example.

112

107  They sure do -- in fact, they like them so much that they build subdivisions around existing horse farms, causing said horse farm owner to eventually sell out (so as to avoid all the little subdivision brats and obnoxious subdivision dogs that seem to think said farm's pastures are open range, and said farm's horses to be public property).

Sorry -- perhaps I'm just a wee bit bitter....  I kinda like the idea of turning the tables though.

But hey, if you could turn abandoned Detroit into Grosse Pointe South, why not?

113 It will be interesting to see what happens with areas like Grosse Point where all the car executives lived and the houses were multi-million dollar mansions.

114 Clear the land.  Sell the land.  Stick the new owner with the environmental/toxic cleanup.  What could be better?

115

Didn't you know that white people moving in and gentrifying the neighborhood is racist? See New York City as an example.

And boy oh boy does Detroit need a Giuliani.

116 I have to wonder if this has ever been done?  It's one thing to bulldoze a small neighborhood and clear out the trash maybe make a park but to create acres and acres of farmland out of a once densely populated area?  It would be expensive as hell and who knows what kind of farmland it would be in the end. 

If a private company or conservative city wanted to do it the libs and environmentalists would be so far up their ass they would be puking up hippies.  Good lord the lawsuits and environmental impact studies would cost millions alone.  Not to mention the fact that anyone who ate any of the food grown on the farms who later got sick would sue the farms.  Also I'm sure the company or city would be roundly denounced as RACIST!!!1!!!1  "Look at them trying to round up all the poor minorities and put them in smaller neighborhoods!  It's like Auschwitz all over again".  Anyway it's nice to see that no matter how bad things get liberals will come up with any possible insane scheme to avoid having to stop taxing the shit out of businesses and productive people to buy the votes of the lazy and unproductive.    

117

Don't know if I'd want to get water from underneath DETROIT!

Who knows what crap is down there....

We all float down here.

118

People do pay good money for estate-like homes where their kids can ride horsies, without getting stabbed, shot, or raped.

Of course, you would have to be armed to the teeth to homestead abandoned Detroit. Still, a McMansion for next to nothing....

119 On that note, if you sent the kid to private school, would building a palatial home, with room for a horsie, in the abandoned part of Detroit work? (Assuming there was some sort of California Proposition 13 style law and the Commiecrats couldn't come back and hit you with taxes after gentrifying the place).

IMHO, no.

The abandoned, unsafe parts are in the middle. The edges that border the burbs are a bit better. Consequently, to reach your palace, you would have to drive through Baghdad. It would not be pleasant.

Plus, you would need lots of razor wire to keep your palace/ barn/ horse/ family safe. Plus armed guards. Lotsa expense there.

120 Alternate prog pipe dream: Demolish, clear land of sewer lines and such, plant trees! Reforestation! Gaia Restored! Of course, there will be the need for tax dollar paid US Forest Service overseers with nice homes in the forest, it will be a dirty job but someone will have to do it.

121

IMHO, no.

The abandoned, unsafe parts are in the middle. The edges that border the burbs are a bit better. Consequently, to reach your palace, you would have to drive through Baghdad. It would not be pleasant.

Good point. Obviously, it would be easier to homestead the areas closest to Grosse Pointe or the other nicer burbs first, and work from the outside in. (Again, this assumes they couldn't immediately hit you with new assessments once you gentrified the area).

122 One more thing to consider, all those who are thinking about your imaginary McMansion- average police wait time in Detroit is 35 minutes. Yep, you get shot and you're waiting 35 minutes. If you're lucky I don't even know if the ambulances go out any more. Then there are your insurance rates, astronomical of course.  Plus... there are limited grocery stores in the city, and your kid would never be able to play outside, since the crack dealers would be waiting to sell their product, since you obviously have the cash for it.

On the positive side, there are a few good soul food restaurants, and there are always places for men to buy lilac suits. Plus a bevy of hair places that sell colorful hats for the ladies and lots of relaxer. Yep, life's kewl in the D....

123

One more thing to consider, all those who are thinking about your imaginary McMansion- average police wait time in Detroit is 35 minutes. Yep, you get shot and you're waiting 35 minutes. If you're lucky I don't even know if the ambulances go out any more. Then there are your insurance rates, astronomical of course.  Plus... there are limited grocery stores in the city, and your kid would never be able to play outside, since the crack dealers would be waiting to sell their product, since you obviously have the cash for it.

This brings back memories of living in ghetto Oakland--I used to do all my shopping in San Leandro or Castro Valley. Once I was above Interstate 580, there were nice parks to go to, but other than working I would never venture outside the fortified home in that "hood".

124 123

People do pay good money for estate-like homes where their kids can ride horsies, without getting stabbed, shot, or raped.

Of course, you would have to be armed to the teeth to homestead abandoned Detroit. Still, a McMansion for next to nothing....

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 29, 2010 06:26 PM (ujg0T)

The fear of hominid based predation would kind of add an 'old West meets Mad Max' feel to things. Do they make anti-stab vests for horses?

125 Some useless info: Detroit sits over huge salt mines, or so I've been told.

126 "Again, they're mostly just holding out, so if you just tell them you'll build a road to their house and otherwise convert the neighborhood to farmland, they'll come to terms."

May or may not be true. Some really want their homestead but eventually give in because the city applies so much pressure that it's easier to pack up and leave. You see, you're stopping progress and all and the press needs to hear about it.

Local anecdote: An elderly lady (I think it was a lady) had a home surrounded by various properties - residential, old farming, new retail. Unfortunately for her, it had location, location, location. Her property was almost at the corner of some of the primest retail real estate in the state. (Recently - a year or so ago - it was the highest sales tax generating real estate in the state.) The whole area was prime and her lot was smack dab in the middle of its west side along the main entry thoroughfare, just off a major interstate highway. I say unfortunate because she didn't want to move... at any price. She had health issues and was blind but knew the way around her house. This was her security blanket.

Now, she was the last holdout for land and she promptly and repeatedly told everyone to sod off. Her land was worth millions. She didn't want the money because the cost to her was too high. I believe she remained in the house until she died. For several years retailers built around her small house with her "lawn" and chain-link/barbed-wire fence intact. Hers was an island, eventually. She didn't care and rejected the state.

So, yeah, some are capitalists looking to exploit for better riches. Most, however, don't want to pick up and move but give in because the powers hound them no end if not actually condemn the property or apply eminent domain. They think they see the writing on the wall and decide to get out before they lose money on their investment.

127 I think if people are willing to stay in a crappy place, they should be allowed to, but the area around them wiped out and them treated as outside city limits (and thus, police, fire, etc protection). Stay if you want, homesteader.

128

Udopeia 2010 Master Plan

Ok so they level the hoods then plant some good med grade sensi - throw in some t'maters and such. Have the locals work the crops for $ and Sell back the veggies to the folks at a good price.

 Of course I'll handle all the med stock. OK sell it to the dispenseries all round the state, Tax the piss out of it.  By fall the first crop will be ready along with much profit. Food Jobs Money

 Use the $ to build some large scale green house structures and continue to produce veggies and meds for the community suppling Jobs Food and smoke - Meds all legal like & year round. Peoples happy & the state happy. Its a win win puf puf.

129


I strongly support the creation of working farms by wealthy white people in the midst of a predominantly poor, black, and socially unstable area.

130

"Sounds like a sweet deal to me-- keep my house, lose the neighbors."

And buy their lots for pennies on the dollar!  I could have self-suffiency levels of gardenage if I could buy up the lots around me and raze the houses.  I bet I could even claim the entire thing as a single homestead...

*slips into a fantasy-land where he lives beyond earshot of any barking dogs*

131 People tend to be property-rights absolutists right about until the time their neighbor, also believing in absolute property rights, wants to erect a fat-rendering plant, EW a slaughterhouse, ICK or a porno emporium .... oh, you're going with all 3?  go ahead then.

Well what did you expect me to say?

132

reason,

All you would need are 20 foot high concrete walls -- with guard towers and concertina wire on the top.  Save some time and buy an abandoned jail.

133


and Spicoli up there would need a mine field, along with an active denial system on par with MetalStorm, to protect that dope crop.


Only dopes . . . use dope.

134 Ok great that's the way to plan. You just created more jobs Security !

135 I have an idea, but the libtards there would never do it: have a modern land rush. If you claim the land and farm it or build on it, it's free, and you get a property tax holiday for 5 years.

136 Good idea  - and let the new owners demolish above ground and below at their own cost. Demo mandatory within 6 months. 

137 OCP begins construction on Delta City in old Detroit in six months...

138 catmman: "OCP begins construction on Delta City in old Detroit in six months..."

Heh. I had the same thought but figured it was classist to say out loud. I therefore undenounce myself and praise the cut of your jib.

139 This brings back memories of living in ghetto Oakland--I used to do all my shopping in San Leandro or Castro Valley.

LOL, I used to live in Castro Valley on Redwood Road. If you were driving over to Castro Valley from Oakland and using the back way down that twisty curvy road you would have been going right by my house.

BTW, I always thought Sand Leandro had the best restaurants. 

140 OK then it's unanimous - this city council hearing concludes by enacting proposals 133,140,141 and 142 the ayes have it.

141

131  That's essentially what happened to my mom and our old farm -- to make matters worse she was sitting on top of the only access to water, gas, and the main county road feeding into the new uber fancy subdivision.  Of course, the developers (who were also on or related to the town board) wanted the farm for peanuts; of course the houses that went up wanted easy access to the road and utilities (and thought it was dandy to let their damn dogs roam and their damn brats to play football out in our pastures -- funny, mares with foals at their side don't particularly care for strangers out there with their babies...and a large, angry mommy animal is not something to trifle with).

They harassed the crap out of my mom; she finally got a good (not great, but decent) deal and sold out, but she had to sell off 95% of our stock (including all the cows, goats, and chickens) at a loss.  A lifetime's worth of work, gone (and watching the fucking vultures come in and offer nothing on really nice animals was harsh, especially the older mares because who knows what their future was going to be like, that literally broke my mom's heart).  It's still a very raw memory.

142 130 Some useless info: Detroit sits over huge salt mines, or so I've been told.

Posted by: sig at April 29, 2010 06:40 PM (2i+Vz)

Is the area seismically inactive? If so, we have a new plan: make Detroit the new nuclear waste repository for the nation. End of Detroit's budget problems, and no need to even tear down the buildings. Time and weather will do it for free - just move the people off and into a smaller center city and dig a series of tunnels underneath the outskirts.

143 Fuck this, I'm not dealing with this city anymore.

144 Rally all those hostile, angry, illegal Mexican immigrants down south and get them up to Detroit to move into those abandoned house. They can then start an inner city farming community at the same time. Once they are esatblished tell them there are greener jobs not too far away in Chicogo. WinWin.

145

Demolishing homes in Detroit is so thirty years ago.  When I was doing road patrols with the Coast Guard (post 9/11) we would go down roads in Detroit where the front walks would end at nothing.  And that was just along the river (which in a noraml place would be valuable because they are not making waterfront property these days). 

Ghost walks, ghost buildings, ghost town.  A city of ghosts.  A city of almost two million turned into a city of ghosts.

What to do?

Figure that out and look around the globe, because you are going to see ghost nations if certain demographic trends continue.

146

And of course, trying to consolidate the remaining population impacts not only on police and fire, but also on roads, water, sewerage, the Detroit Public Lighting, Detroit Edison, Michigan Consolidated Gas,and the US Postal Service.

A savings for all.

147

I don't think animal screams from a slaughterhouse would be a big deal, I don't mind the hobo screams from my basement. In fact, once they give up hope and just moan it's kinda soothing.

Also, is this going to be known as the Rachel Corrie Plan?

148 Farming? What vegetable (or living organism) could grow in urban decay? Oh yeah, we forgot about all those sewer lines & cesspools & stuff. But at least it's human and biodegradable. Like Jimmy Hoffa over there.

Eat A Peach.

149 As someone who works in middle Detroit, when can they get working on the sections west of the Lodge and North/South of Warren Ave? Detroit. Only city I've ever seen with burned out husks of buildings immediatly adjacent to a major University (Wayne State) Blew my mind when I first saw it . . . . .

150 Forty years after we dropped nuclear weapons on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, both cities were rebuilt into thriving metropolises.  They are a testament to the resilience of the Japanese people.
Forty years after the Democrats took control of Detroit, it looks like someone dropped a nuclear bomb on it.
Leftists are more destructive than nuclear weapons.  Bombs only destroy the body.
The ideology of the Left can destroy the soul.

151 The cost for police protection should be nothing.  A house in the Detroit area surrounded by cleared land.  That might make for an effective kill zone. 


Unless they plant corn.

152 Leftists are more destructive than nuclear weapons.  Bombs only destroy the body.
The ideology of the Left can destroy the soul.

Posted by: RayJ at April 29, 2010 08:52 PM (YcjCJ)

I'm totally stealing that.

153 http://tinyurl.com/2dbmn9g

154 In Russia, you don't bulldoze City. City bulldoze you!

155 2 Is "detroit" a verb yet?

Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 29, 2010 04:27 PM (0QJjg)

Desolation Road describes this shithole. It's a state of mind. It's what DemocRATS wrought. Playing great jazz in the rubble.

156

Trust the Left to misdiagnose another social ill.

So, the social justice Mandarins of Detroit will just up and force those few people still hanging on in those shacks to move to a different section of the city. OK. So, what happens when the current residents of these newly designated homesteads decide they really don't want these newcomers as neighbors and pack up the Conestoga and head on down the trail themselves? The cycle starts all over again. The only productive use of bulldozers in that Hellhole of a city is to start at City Hall and and not stop until every single pol is left wandering the landscape bewildered and starving. Then, progress may commence.

157 A friend of mine went to high school in Detroit, and he still keeps in touch with a guy he went to school with. My friend's friend had never lived outside of Detroit, and had never even left town for a vacation, until right after the earthquake in Haiti, when he volunteered to go down there to help with the relief efforts. After a couple of weeks in Haiti, this guy wrote to my friend: "You know, it's really nice down here. I think I'm going to stay."

158

organic farms, i hope?

Cotton plantations.

159 How much money can they really need? This is Detroit; they're good at burning shit down...

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162 Detroit once siezed land and ripped the immigrant communities apart to build a network of highways into the city proper.  The only reason they don't do the same thing now is that these homes are largely owned by poor blacks who easily can garner lots of sympthy and legal support.  The homes themselves are worth so little that if the city paid fair market for them it would be around 5K$ each.

163 Seems to me Detroit used to have a little homegrown policy  for dealing with this. Every year on Devils Night they took care of quite a bit of domicile demolishing: http://bit.ly/cu7boH

164 Detroit Tourism video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D30fDgDm0w Decades of Democrats produced this.

165 Jeez, is that spam from Detroit?

166 To die for - as long as it has good Internet connectivity. A quick purchase from owner of record for the 10 or so homes right around me, turning that into a mini-orchard of apple trees or whatever, and no zoning regulations on what I build is all I'd want. Decent shopping would not be far away. The Detroit Phil would be not far away. And the quiet would be WONDERFUL! Gone would be the boom boxes audible for 500', traffic noises, and all that manure. What's to not like about it?

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167 Okay, who let the fucking spambots in here?

168 Let's see if this fixes the damage caused by the ChiComs.

169 Halfway fixed.

170 Of course they will be milking the feds i.e. us for the money. There isn't ANYONE left in the city of Detroit actually paying taxes anymore, Their sole source of income is federal subsidy.

And it needs to be stopped. As for the death spiral, that started in the mid 60s when the "social justice" crowd took over the city and started running the tax payers out.

If the congress cut them and the other urban cesspits off they would all be bankrupt and dis-incorporated within a year.

This is going to happen whether congress does it on their own, or when congress finally spends so much that it dis-incorporates.

But hey, we are spending another $5B on school lunches today and another trillion on the tax deal they are getting ready to pass now.

It will not be long. Any of you morons or moronettes who live within 50 miles of Detroit, or any other large urban area need to look at moving now. When the collapse comes it will not take long for the looters to take all the grocery stores after which they will leave their zones and start outward.

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