1 I volunteer to eat ice cream until the elections are won.

Sherbet and gelato, too.  I'm not prejudice.

2 Bueller?

3 ???

4 The infamous 2 am vanishing post....

5 Kudlow and Rasmussen were waxing poetic this morning about a Republican slaughter of the dems.

this is concerning....they like jinxed all those republicans...

6 yeah it made no sense to post it at 2am... I am trying not to be stupid like that, wasting posts at odd hours when it's not breaking news or the like.

7 I swear I had a dream at about 3 A.M. this morning and it looked just like this thread.

8 Posted by: ace at August 21, 2010 12:26 PM (QbA6l)

ace, you should read the comments about the "vanishing post" on the ONT...it was very funny cause everyone thought they were going nuts...

9 Gentlemen, let's not start soaping each others butts quite yet.

10 This is the situation (kind of) in Virginia's 5th district.  The GOP challenger is outpolling the freshman incumbent Dem, but the Dem has like 6x more money.  Maybe part of it is because the Tea Party doesn't like the GOP nominee (apparently he doesn't have the best record on taxes.)  So maybe that somewhat accounts for the lack of moneybomb.  But I didn't know this was going on in other districts as well.

Worrying.

11 Look on the bright side, Ace. The Democrats are doing their best right now  to help the Republican candidates find reasons to convince voters to choose a Republican.

12 ooo Kudlow said we have to "cross the aisle" and give ol barney some credit for seeing that "it failed" and so larry says "you have to give him credit, it's called intellectual honesty" "otherwise no one will ever change their mind"....hahha his callers are coming at him like a bunch of rabid pit bulls...

13 Kudlow refused to say that Bawney shouldn't be re elected.  That's a disappointment.

14 With the current make-up of the Republican party, it may be lost forever anyway.  I'm talking about the rank and file members who handed McCain the presidential nomination and is about to hand him a landslide primary win.

Still, a crap sandwich is better than a bloody diarrhea sandwich and we all need to vote out the power-grabbing scum in both parties.

15 The main reason I'm reluctant to do the door-to-door thing or even a phone bank is that nobody down here (North Carolina) can get past my accent (Massachusetts) long enough to have a conversation. Plus, I'm marked as an "outsider" the minute I open my mouth.
Oh well, I'll figure something out.
Now I'm off to lunch (and drinks) for my lovely wife's birthday (it's her 40th, but don't tell her I told you).

16 On the other hand, a commenter in the linked article had a good point:  Perhaps this is being misread as low conservative organization when it is in fact low Republican enthusiasm and organization-- i.e., people will snub GOP meet and greets because it's the GOP, but they'll show up to a Tea Party. 

In any case, still:  Worrying.

17 @13 Yeesh. Frank's gonna pull the plug on Freddie and Fannie. Just like McCain's gonna build that fence and support the conservative agenda. I'd vote for McCain if he's on the ballot in Nov because he's an R and we have to stop Obama. We need the numbers. But anyone ,even blue-state Dims, who vote for Frank are simply retarded. Frank more than any one single person is most responsible for the financial meltdown. Not that he didn't have lots of help....

18 Hard not to be confident because of Obamas and Pelosis undying arrogance- they're too stupid to change tactics. The lack of a GOP organization is bad though and Steele should be axed after November regardless of outcome. I used to be bombarded with RNC literature at the state and national level in the early 2000's- nothing since 2006. Not a coincidence.

19 The cult of the snake flag party has taken the winds from my sails quite frankly.

20

Yep, the Democrats have the manpower, which is probably the most important resource a campaign can have, even moreso than funds.

21 Yeah, I wouldn't debate that guy either. His strong-but-warm eyes project laser-beams of integrity and honesty and American grit... right into my pants. Well, into the pants of the general public, I mean. I mean, into people's hearts. Maybe this metaphor went bad a while ago. yeah, somewhere around... I did the first test, the one with the angled lines. It informed me that I was so completely manly I could probably have sex with like 25 guys and still be straight as an arrow. So, you know. Weekend's really filling up now. Will be back late Sunday/early Thursday.

22

Finally someone tries and understand how the dems consistantly whip the GOP.

http://tinyurl.com/22rk748

 

The GOPÂ’s message is strong. It is its organizational skills that are suffering. The democrats have relearned the lessons of machine politics

23

_{Apparently we have a lot of clock-watchers and goldbrickers in these posts.}

My advice is to do what your parents did, sir, and get a Job!

The Revolution is over and your side lost...

Did you hear me Lebowski!?!?

The Bums will always Lose!!!

24

Communication is the means that campaigns get their message out to the voters. TV was considered from the 1960s on to 2000 to be the “way to campaign”. It was all based on the JFK winning the debates in 1960 via TV, If a candidate could do well on TV that was good enough to win. Reagan was excellent at appearing as the best candidate on TV.

But our candidates cant all be Reagans. TV only works for the campaigns that so focus its message and target thousands of people via a single 30 second message. Imagine trying to craft one message that millions can all agree on its nearly impossible. And radio is also the same way as is telephones. The GOP bets the farm that they can create the “perfect message” that can reach and be agreed upon by everyone.

There is no perfect message

25 The GOPÂ’s message is strong. It is its organizational skills that are suffering. The democrats have relearned the lessons of machine politics

And this was how President Toonces beat Sir Hillary.  I was working the polls on the day of Super Tuesday.  The OBots were there at dawn and truly had their shit together--signs, literature, soliciting volunteers for the general election.  The Hillary campaign's outreach consisted of one guy sliding through the door 15 minutes after the polls closed wanting to know if the rumors he was hearing about extended poll hours were true.

Guess which campaign I'm afraid the GOP will resemble.

26 This one's in the bag. In fact, we don't have to do anything!

27 I've met my local (R) ward peeps.

The word "clown" does not even come close to describing them.  I'd almost bet that they are really dems.

28 I have a Republican ward captain who has FaceBooked a warning to all Democrats and Independents that if they change registration  for an upcoming county council primary in which a dynamic young Republican is running, they will be "stuck" as Republican voters until 2012.  It's incorrect infromation on several levels and it is dis-heartening to someone who is doing the door to door out reach that our county leadership blows.

29 I wonder if some of this has to do with just the psychological makeup of those on the left vs. those on the right. As we know, the left is collectivist; it's more of a worker bee/hive mentality. That is in stark comparison to the individualist/leave-me-alone mentality of the right

30

But our candidates cant all be Reagans.

You'd never know it from all the robo-calls I get. Apparently every Reflublican candidate is the next Reagan.

31 You called for me?

Look, my thing this cycle has been to *become* that local precinct organization.  (See this post from January -- and why are Open Blog posts listed as by "xgenghisx"!?)  This also puts you in position to stop the Dedes from rising through the ranks and get more DeMints and Christies.

It's something both numerous Tea Party groups and the folks at Redstate have been active in doing, which is good because with lots of primary dates having passed, there's a good chance it's too late to get elected to a precinct committeeman spot in your jurisdiction this year.  (Yes, it helps to think things through before election season...)  But it's still something to look into for the long term.  (Only you can prevent the GOP from sticking to its beltway squish ways.  Only you.)  And getting involved this cycle should show you a bit of what you're dealing with.

IMO the key thing *right now*, however, is to remember that primary season isn't over yet.  Give Christine O'Donnell some support in Delaware...

32

Good posting.  Over the years a lot of elections that were "in the bag" were lost because people stayed home, didn't help out etc.  This set of elections is particularly critical for a number of reasons. 

If the GOP gains control of the Senate it has to be by a significant number.  Remember there are a few rino's (Snowe, Collins et al) that can't be counted on.  In addition a slim majority (1 or 2 seats) may allow the GOP to gain control of committees and bring light to the crap the Dems have been pulling that the MSM refuse to report on.  I'd love to see Barny Frank's ex-lover Herb Moses testifying under oath about pillow talk they had about the Fannie Mae.

Winning a majority is good but the GOP has to remember they run the risk of being blamed in 2012 of the economy hasn't turned around.  The won't get any help from the MSM on this.

The Dems have already shown they are willing to break with precedent and tradition in ramming through legislation.  If they have a 1 or 2 seat majority they will continue with this practice (one assumes that the "blue dogs", or most of them will have been defeated) and finish off the destruction of this country.

I've read somewhere (can't remember but it seemed reasonable) that a lot of GOP stayed home in 2008 as they weren't crazy about McCain and didn't realize how harmful Obama would be.  If Clinton had been running they would have come out to defeat her regardless of who was running for the GOP the dislike of her is so strong.  That's what's needed now and that's what I hope is there.

If you've never worked on a campaign (even for a day as a scrutineer ensuring no malfeasance occurs) you should get out and give it a try.  It's exciting, you meet all kinds of good people (from both sides) and you get to see democracy in actual action.  Up here in Canada I've worked on several (with a minority government you tend to have elextions more often) and they great fun.  Besides, when you're in the bar for a few bres it allows you to start a rant of with "Well I worked on that election and let me tell you....."

33 The main reason I'm reluctant to do the door-to-door thing or even a phone bank is that nobody down here (North Carolina) can get past my accent (Massachusetts) long enough to have a conversation.

Move to Cary

Start somewhere.  Michigan-born and Ohio-raised, I was asked to be a poll observer in '80, a precinct chairman in '84, and after I moved, I did another stint as a poll observer in '88.  If all one does is put up yard signs and grunt work for fundraisers, that helps, too.  Contact your county chairman or your preferred candidate(s) campaign office.

34 Oh yeah, and even if you're not involved in the official party structure, it's not too late to sign up to be an election judge.  The more eyes, the harder the fraud.

35

Simply put the current way the GOP runs campaigns is more parasitic than symbiotic.  The GOP sends out to its base requests for money or volunteers but rarely allows for any feedback or input on how things are done. I myself have gotten numerous requests to donate money or volunteer for a campaign. But rarely am I asked how I feel about events or what do I think can be a better way to do things. IÂ’m simply told to shut up ,put up and give full support to a group that seems to think its base only deserves to be used to replenish itÂ’s money or for free labor.

The GOP must evolve into a symbiotic relationship with its base. Our conservative base defines us and defines our values. If the GOP gives the base a stake in itÂ’s elections then GOP itself benefits.

36

This is the situation (kind of) in Virginia's 5th district.  The GOP challenger is outpolling the freshman incumbent Dem, but the Dem has like 6x more money.  Maybe part of it is because the Tea Party doesn't like the GOP nominee

This isn't my district, but my local patriot group had a poli-sci guy give us the lowdown.  The primary had SIX Tea-Party type candidates in it and this Hurt guy, who was GOP.  Of course, the T-P candidates split the vote among themselves and this guy -- a major squish -- walked away with it.   Mr. Hurt is friends with Eric Cantor and Eric told him he should run.  FYI, Eric isn't thought of highly in his own district, but no one has the courage to run against him yet.

37 My congress critter's seat is pretty safe. However, I will be working in the neighboring district to defeat Phil-I-don't-care-about-the-Constitution-Hare. He gets really pissed when you point out to him he isn't legally a veteran.

38 Obama didn't beet Hillary because of Obots pounding the streets. He won based on shitty Dem primary rules i.e. caucuses and super delegates.

McCain won the primary for the same reasons, except they were shitty Republican primary rules.

They have fixed those somewhat but not what was truly needed.

We do have a chance of beating a long term Dem in a gerrymandered district here (SC 5th). But it is going to be tough because it spans 5 counties and 3 major media markets.

39 I became a precinct captain this year.  About half of these positions are unfilled.  Its pretty easy if you want to do it.  I got a list from the GOP of my voters, google mapped the homes, whipped up a letter and will deliver after labor day with a new non-work email address just for those voters so they can tell me when they voted so I don't have to bother calling them later.

Really, its only about 20 - 30 hours total over a couple of months, depending on where you live I suppose.  But really, do something.  I agree with Thomas Sowell, we must stop the socialists this fall or it may be the point of no return.

Feel the wave, surf the wave, bask in the November sun.

40 "The GOP must evolve into a symbiotic relationship with its base."

"The GOP" isn't some mysterious alien thing.

You can join, and vote to change it (precinct folks vote for party leadership).  You can join the alternative structure (local Tea Party group), to get better leverage and push actual conservatives.  Or you can sit and wait for things to change on their own.

The last is, as you may guess, the least helpful.

41 @32
I think that's the fundamental difference.  For them, politics is a way to make themselves significant.  For us, the primary goal is to be left alone. 

42 Contact your county chairman or your preferred candidate(s) campaign office.

Exactly-- they'll love the free help.  I've had to be creative since Colt and I have been moving around every couple of months or so, and it's tough to get plugged into the local political scenes.  So since I'm a writer, I went to the websites of Tea Party-approved candidates.  Yep, sure enough, the writing BLEW. So I offered a bit of free editing and content generation.  Some took me up on it.  Others didn't and will probably never be heard from again-- them and their comma splices.

43 Here in SC the Republican problem is they never get candidates for the lower offices and this hurts them in the primaries because in order to vote for those lower offices you have to vote in the Dem primary.

That is one of the ways that RINO Lindsey got reelected in 2008.  

44

I thought there were a lot of groups that formed at various tea party rallies. Surely there can be a concerted effort for these groups to pool, coordinate, and canvas without coordination with the campaign?

I was thinking of a sort of contact list that would pick certain days leading up to the election to reach out en masse to relatives, neighbors, and aquaintances in a low pressure, reminder driven message about the election. An effort to lay the groundwork for a more coordinated effort from the campaign itself. With a lot of simultaneous activity like that, it should help to stick in people's minds. I would think any time a commerce report comes out would be a good idea. They do not look to improve any time soon.

That is something we can do. As well as sending money to the worthies campaigns, of course.

45 Oh and don't eeyore our own, but make sure you tell the dems that it isn't even worth their time to show up.  Cause its not, for them.

46 This election is going to come down to whether or not Americans are able to figure out the obvious. Make up all the excuses you want come Nov. 3rd if things don't go well (assuming the 'rats allow more or less honest elections), but they won't change that reality. Sure it would be better if the R candidates had more money and were better organized...., but the American people have been given MORE THAN ENOUGH CAUSE TO VOTE THESE 'RATS OUT REGARDLESS.

47 >> There are very few safe Democratic districts this year -- Barney Frank could lose.

If you're in a very safe district with a solid conservative representing you, please feel free to help out in MA-4.

This is a scalp we really, really want nationally. I also have the distinct displeasure of being "represented" by this crooked bastard, and it's time for him to go.

Start here: RetireBarney.com

48 Yeah, don't get cocky, cockholster RINOs!  I'm gonna take you all to the woodshed and, uh, give you a halftime pep talk where I discuss how we're going to walk off the field and forfeit the game when we have a 4-point lead.

It's the Didier way!

49 well I can tell you how we do it on the Dem side.

Pre 2007, and Obama whose campaign was a culmination of Axelrasputin astroturf  staffed by college boyz on summer vacation, who 'interned' on every comment board on every MSM news site, allowing them to censor any proHRC comments-helping to build the MSM view that EVERYONE LOVED Obama, with Facebook, again the 20something testosterone fueled Oboma fanz who hated them some HRC (mother issues donchaknow- she rated GTA! Horrors!!) which combined with labor turnout and depressed GOP turnout for the win, BEFORE that there was always the backbone of the Dem Party turnout- the women.

yeah, the women no shxt. One of the resons sooo many of we lifetime Dem women are DONE with the Dem Party in its current nauseating form, is that after lifetimes of work, generation after generation, of blue collar wives doing the GRUNT WORK, the envelope stuffing, the calls, the door to door, it has always all been done by the local Democratic women. There would be no Dem party without us, as they shall soon be learning, but I digress...

Sure in urban centres you have ACORN and SEIU the megaunion Andy Stern brought forth like Cthulu, but in rural districts, in the Southwest, in the South, in the Midwest it has always, always been the local women on the ground.

then the pols, and the men show up at the end with a check for ads on TV when all the hard work laying the ground intriducing or reinforcing the candidate is done, the base established if you will.

but there is no money without groundswell support and that support comes from Dem women on the ground. we old bxtches the Koz Kidz e-assaulted throughout 07-08

I am 41. I walked into the Stevenson Democratic Club on Horace Harding Expwy in Flushing in NYC when I was like 11 and asked what I could do to help. I was promptly sat down with boxes of envelopes to stuff.

In smaller areas without an official 'club' women do it in their homes, at the local gardening group or whatever.

This why the PUMAs, the amount of shxt we were sending into the DNC would ASTONISH you, we had a CAN i get a revote campaign, we all sent cans, walk a mile in my shoes, we sent old shoes. none of it covered and anecdotally thusands or more respoinses went to the DNC. But they didnt give a shxt, we werent USEFUL in the 08 primary, since O was the chosen one, the fix was in, and we were by and large supporting HRC, not just b/c she shared a XX gene, b/c she had frakking experience and she GOT IT, anyway I rant, but the DNC couldnt use us to help O, we were on the wrong side, so they used KOZ a former GOPer which pixxes me off to no end BTW, and twitter and Facebook.

thats great in a wave year like they had at their back, but time out of mind decades and decades it is the ground game, and ACORN and SEIU are NOT welcomed into many rural areas, they are clearly outside forces with an agenda, and the peeps know it, the rank and file will not follow the leadership O bought, witness HRCs PA primary win despite frakkin Hoffa promising a big surprise O win.  Witness also BlANCHE lINCOLN KICKING THE AXX OF THE fdl SORRY caplock, candidate. the rural women strike back! yeah suck it Koz, go back to the basement cheeto eaters, mommy is home!!

anyway, I am not sure why the GOP has not had a traditional ground game of the local women, but this is what we have always done on the Dem side.

it will not save them now or in 12 b/c they threw us unda da bus over and over and over again in 08 09 10 and made it REALLY CLEAR we were not needed. Donna Brazille said it on CNN they have a new coalition donchaknow! KOZ Kidz, DC Beltway pundits, AAs, and they CLAIM Single moms, which I do not believe, take out AAs from that demo who seem to want to keep block voting for O, and more single moms I know are worried about a G-D JOB, they dont want a check from O they want a check from a corporation with benefits and tuition reimbursement, I know I did back in the day.

Anyway long but hopefully you dig where the Dem ground gamne comes from, the panic they are experiencing now is b/c they have JUST realized without the base of women and Seniors, (and Senior women who are the best and most prolific ground game, callers, envelope stuffers!!) they are fragged.

the testosterone pump they had in 08 is petered out, heh. Women are in it for the long haul, endurance and all that, maybe we are used to not getting what we want and so we dont roll over and whine like the Cheetoh brigade I dunno, but for year after year I stuffed envelopes for losing campaigns and I always came back for work the next election.

these jokers won and they still cant come out and get the base laid this year, pathetic.

here in Scottsdale, there is a GOP Womens Club, I was invited to attend but truthfully I was a bit intimidated. it may be a 'class' thing as in do I have enough to blend with the GOP Womens Club?

I had no trouble blending with the Dems lol. and at Tea Parties we all just look American, but my mental image of a GOP Womens Club Dinner involves pearls which I have but rarely wear.

The reason HRC kept kicking Os axx was the women on the ground, we kept fundraising after they said it was over and she ran as long as we backed her, only when Rangel called her and said she would lose the AA vote in NYC and possibly her reelection as NY Senator if she didnt concede did she give her speech, those frakkers. My point is I am sorry if I am gender biased or something but in my Dem. experience the women do the footwork for elections.

anyway, I suggest you get in touch with the women on the ground, they are already out there doin it for themselves, sistahs are doin it doin it, oops sorry, but if you have targeted areas you can perhaps link the groups up on twitter or facebook or whatever, but dont forget for Seniors to focus on the local Civic Club and Rotary, at a local Y or Club to hand out foot assignments thats how we did it.

anyway the PEOPLE are rallied from the ground up on the GOP side this time, that was always how I saw it on the Dem side locally, not sure if GOP Leadership used to do top down or what but this year the GOP women here in Scottsdale are ready to go, I have done everything I used to do on Dem side for GOP side, I called to see when phone banks were, got my lawn signs early, and I donate like crazy even though Im broke, b/c I KNOW we have to overcome the union money....

50 Speaking of Didier (do I sound obsessed?), that song LauraW put up by Cee-Lo is my new theme for WA State Republicans when dealing with Clint.

51

The GOPÂ’s message is strong. It is its organizational skills that are suffering. The democrats have relearned the lessons of machine politics

Posted by: William Amos at August 21, 2010 12:43 PM (7KBM3)

People on the right are not just more likely to reject the idea of machine politics, but to be offended by it.

There are some people who just plain reject certain ideas for a variety of reasons. I see it all the time in terms of "workplace politics," people who otherwise are conscientious workers or hardworking or whatever, but they have some kind of personal bias against what they call "schmoozing" or, in other words, being likable.

They make a point of being honest to a fault, direct, even to the extent of causing offense. I'm not saying they don't have a point, but I think some people go out of their way to avoid forming alliances or even making friends to avoid the appearance.

I haven't really formulated this into a grand theory, I've just noticed it - some people just find "politicking" feels "dishonorable" to them - and then are bitterly disappointed when someone else ascends (or wins an election) because they've taken the effort to do crap like try to actually bring people on board by explaining the benefits to them, or just getting out, shaking hands, etc.

When we see stuff like the left-wing talking point memos, we rightfully mock them for their dishonesty, but I think some people forget that "getting the word out" at the community level is actually a good thing - unless you're a greasy liar. And there's nothing wrong with focusing on what your audience wants, as long as you're not hiding something or lying to them.

pep also had a good point that, generally speaking, the "leave me alone" lifestyle is more right-wing than left-wing, by a long shot. That mentality makes good neighbors and terrible campaigners, which is why the Dems can win despite the fact that everybody knows they're hopeless wreckers and complete liars.

I hate to admit that while I totally get the former point, I went from a blunt social outcast to a schmoozer, I fall for the second too often - who wants to get involved in politics, yuck!

Well, politics is involved in YOU pal, and that ain't in Soviet Russia, it's right here. So you'd better get involved, even if it's just to vote and counter stupid MFM propaganda your friends hear on TV.

52 well now that bawney got kudlow's  "stealth endorsement" he probably won't lose.

chuckie in ny could lose....you know why?  He's way too quiet....way too "blend into the woodwork and look pretty".....his internals must be devastating....

Monica is going to have David Pattison on her show today.

monica played clips from 9/11....it was just horrible....brings it all back rushing in like a mac truck....

53
Wait.

the man's name is Clit Diddler and he still lost?

54 Further, not voting, and not getting out the maximum vote possible among conservatives in such districts, also loses out on all those important state legislature slots, those judgeships, those crucial Board of Elections postings, the AG, the Secretary of State... This is critical. I've been thinking about this a lot. I've spoken with a few Tea Party organizers here in Maryland, and some seem to get it. Getting control on the local level is really the key to the process. And it needed to start years ago, given how close to the precipice we are as a country. At this point, it may be too late. As it is, we need to organize at the local levels, run candidates for local boards, county seats, and state legislatures. Get people into positions where the machinery is controlled. Once we have our hands on the levers, we can bring much more integrity to the processes. And then we work our way up the ladder. Win the gubernatorial races. Control the legislatures. Defeat the trolls who are our "representatives" in Congress. On both sides of the aisle. But it has to happen from the ground up. We may very well take Congress back this Fall. But that will just lead to gridlock,which is not necessarily a bad thing; but we need to reverse a shitload of bad actions, and gridlock won't allow for that. If we don't reverse the badness coming our way, then the voters will either give up or vote new people in. And we have to have more fire power in place at the local levels to take advantage of the discontent. This is a multi-year, if not decades long, fight. The only way we're going to win it is at the grassroots level. We have to control the conversation at the local level.

55
yeah, the women no shxt. One of the resons sooo many of we lifetime Dem women are DONE with the Dem Party in its current nauseating form, is that after lifetimes of work, generation after generation, of blue collar wives doing the GRUNT WORK, the envelope stuffing, the calls, the door to door, it has always all been done by the local Democratic women. There would be no Dem party without us, as they shall soon be learning, but I digress...

I'm not buying it. You forgive them even after they drown one of you.

56 Rove had an excellent internet system for GWB's second campaign.  Then it seemed to be lost with McCain.  Oddly enough, the system the dems used seemed remarkably like the Rove system.  I found myself asking if Rove was working for the dems, that's how rovian the system was.  And, some people here told me "money is green"....so who knows...

But Rove needs to reinstate that system...the feedback he got was invaluable
and the college kids on the message boards was ingenious.

57 I feel cocky all day.

58
mother, do you think they'll try to break my balls?
mother, should I run for president?

(your turn)

59 here in Scottsdale, there is a GOP Womens Club, I was invited to attend but truthfully I was a bit intimidated. it may be a 'class' thing as in do I have enough to blend with the GOP Womens Club?

Posted by: mim/ginaswo at August 21, 2010 01:15 PM (6uk6i)

I think if you can handle Ace of Spades HQ, you can probably handle the GOP Ladies Auxiliary.

Heck, take that much energy in and you'll probably end up running the place.

60

While I agree with the "don't get cocky" and organization points, I don't agree with some of his other premises.  Wasn't part of the problem with PA-12 was that the election was scheduled to favor Dem turnout??  Also, the way the distirct is gerrymandered, didn't it also favor the Dems???  And using California as a example of not favoring the Republicans, I'm mean really?   

61

The main reason I'm reluctant to do the door-to-door thing or even a phone bank is that nobody down here (North Carolina) can get past my accent (Massachusetts) long enough to have a conversation. Plus, I'm marked as an "outsider" the minute I open my mouth.
Oh well, I'll figure something out.
Now I'm off to lunch (and drinks) for my lovely wife's birthday (it's her 40th, but don't tell her I told you).

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 21, 2010 12:37 PM (IKf7L)

Open with "i'm originally from New England and I don't want to see NC turn into that"

62 PS a side note to my last point in the larger post, I confessed to a friend that I was a little embarrassed at how I'd always end up yelling at the damned commie TV news creeps when I came over to visit and he had the news on, and he said "why do you think I had it on?"

My rants, I admit without humility, can be epically funny sometimes.

63 58

uh no, I voted MAC Palin and have donated hundreds of cold cash to Marco, Lowden then Sharron, Nikki Haley, Dave Schweikert, folks I believe in\\but if you think I spent 15 mins writing up a load of BS to somehow TRICK you or something, whatevs.

google ginaswo and you will find 2 years of me fighting with Obots on boards all over if you care to if not scroll on by.

and fro sure I will revert to my dEMNESS WHEN hrc RUNS IN 16, BUT UNTIL THEN i AM WORKING FOR THE gop. sORRY damned caplock!

64

Seriously, guys, at work I was talking to a fairly "radical" colleague, and he is now all, "Obama is an African-American, and I am a Black American.  He doesn't understand how that Ground Zero Mosque is an insult!" and this one lady (who is also black) was, "I still kinda like him (Obama) but that mosque is an insult to all Americans, and I am sick and tired of people who don't understand America wanting to insult us all!  I'm sick of hearing how this group or that group is like us Black people and blah blah blah we should let them do whatever they want.  No!  Any issue between us and White people is in-family, in-house.  They can't tag onto us.  That mosque must never be built!"

Seriously, things are changing.  Keep at it!

65

I don't know about polling, but PPP called me a few times now, I still keep telling them, I am a democrat, and I tell them I don't who I will be voting, so the dems need to keep explaining the benefits of DeathCare, because I'm too stupid to understand how adding 30 million more people will reduce the deficit.

PPP then puts me down as "undecided".  Their pollestors are amazingly this ignorant.  Rassumesum polled me once, I told them the truth, used to be a dem, now an indy, will crawl over broken glass to vote against any damn demon's rat, and same goes for my family's voting pattern this year

66 Kerry has the Talliban on the run...  the GOP is doomed.  My analysus shows that the Dems will gain 78 seats in Congress now.

67

I'm not against mosques, I am against radical mosques, and especially any mosques anywhere near ground zero.

And kudos to Ms. America, a muslim, for comning out against this Ground Zero Victory Mosque.

68 62 aww shucks thank you :0) I am going in with a buddy who is a lfetime GOPer happy to see me seeing reason so I dont feel weird the first time.

I was fine at the Palin rally, and told everyone at the Tea Parties I am a recovering Dem, they were very nice and welcoming after they were sure I wasnt a plant of some sort.

69
Wait.

You'll still vote for Hillary in '16, (even though her political career is as over as Roger Clemens' baseball career)?

There is something you need to know. Sit down. Hillary is as bad as Obama on every single issue. And she hates you.

70 Also, the only people who have money at this point work for the government, and let's just say their political donations TEND to trend one way more than the other.

Not to mention campaign activities.

Everyone else is hunkering down, which is bad both for business and for politics.

71 We don't need "machine politics" for our side.  We just need to get off our asses and do shit.  We are supposed to be the entrepreneurial ones.

This right here is illustrative of the problem: Look at the race in MO-4.  It's Ike Skelton (D) vs. Vicky Hartzler.  This is a heavily Republican district.  All of the pundits rank this race as either "tossup" or "lean D", so it is a competitive race.  But if you dig deeper, you'll see that the R's here are in deep trouble.  Ike has a long list of union _and_ industry financiers contributing to him (he's on the Armed Services Cmte so he gets money from the likes of Boeing, etc.)  He's got about $1.5 mil.  Vicky? She's got about $300K.  And quite frankly her website is not that good.    The "events" page only has some event from July.  What is she doing?  She's obviously conserving her cash.  She's playing defense out of necessity when she really needs to be playing offense.

It's districts like this that we have to win in order to get a majority, so what can we the entrepreneurial types do?

72 It is a lot of fun to volunteer--and it counts. One election night, we dragged every able-bodied voter out and brought them to vote, even a guy who had the flu and puked on my friend's shoes while waiting in line. My friend wiped his shoes off after the guy voted.

We won too, by about a hundred votes.

So go do it!

73 I Feel Prett Cocky
I feel pretty cocky
Oh so pretty cocky
I feel pretty cocky and witty and gay
And I pity
Any girl person who isn't me today
I feel charming cocky
Oh so charming cocky
It's alarming how charming cocky I feel
And so pretty cocky
That I hardly can believe I'm real
See the pretty cocky girl person in that mirror there?
Who can that attractive cocky girl person be?
Such a pretty cocky face
Such a pretty cocky dress
Such a pretty cocky smile
Such a pretty cocky me!
I feel stunning cocky
And entrancing cocky


a song

74 Ugh I was supposed to change my name to "the GOP" lol....

75 68 Amen!!! ROWRRR  I CAN NOT WAIT for the EPIC wipeout, ahh it will be sweet thank Gawd the Germans have words for these emotions sweet schadenfreude come to momma,.

and the best part will be when we get JOB CREATION!

76

Apparently, the DNC still thinks many of its members are still demon's rat.

Received 4 calls from them so far, and love their first line when the caller says "If you want to advance President Obama's agenda...... "

Apparently they haven't caught on, people don't want to advance a radical leftist agenda, hell some of the strongest opponents are recovering demon's rats like me.

77 Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at August 21, 2010 01:36 PM (ACkhT)

I say "yes yes of course I do, of course, just send me an envelope and I'll send you back the donation".....they stop the spiel and say thank you, goodbye.

78
You know what cnadidates like Vicky should do and it wouldn't cost them much?

Get her team together, bring a video camera, and go pound the pavement. Hold little town halls with everyone she meets. Ask them questions. Let them tell her what's concerning them.

Edit the video into a nice little tv/radio ad.

79 This aint no truque, it's a tractor-trailer community center.

80 75 oh ches! I have all my I VOTED and I VOTED EARLY stickers on my clock radio. I love to vote..and I get that buzz and as a Dem we usually lose, lol..

I spent mannny years not understanding how anyone could have been a Reagan Dem. and now I am one :0)

some folks will not be convinced until the polls are coming in and the number of votes for the GOP candidates exceeds the number of registered GOP voters in each district by thousands but it will happen

oh yes these Dems are going down...hard. they must go down hard or we will IMO be trapped like insects in amber in the socialist Democrat trap.

I want no part of it, I find capitalism...uhm liberating. so does the rest of the world when they try it.  the only idiots trying to stop it here are the Cabal of Dunces they call the Dem leadership.why the big banks backed O over HRC I will never understand
.
hey maybe Jamie DImon and Lloyd Blankfein got cocky huh? I will  go sign up for more mailer mailing. You can never try too hard. even people annoyed we kept calling in PA for HRC were at least impressed with out perseverence and hey we won! and he outspent us by what bazillions?

Hold On Economy! We're Comin'!

81 David Patterson is sounding pretty good on Monica Crowley..

82 You know what cnadidates like Vicky should do and it wouldn't cost them much?

Get her team together, bring a video camera, and go pound the pavement. Hold little town halls with everyone she meets. Ask them questions. Let them tell her what's concerning them.

Edit the video into a nice little tv/radio ad.

Posted by: Very Proud Big-Tit 'n Ass Lovin Republican at August 21, 2010 01:39 PM (DPuFa)

That is a great idea but I guess my point is that this duty is one that is going to fall upon us as individual entrepreneurs and not on Vicky's professional campaign staff.

83 1) establish the choice as black and white (the Democrats have done that for us, for free. Thanks libs!). This gets the "I don't like my Republican candiate because hes too x y or z" assholes to either: a) admit they are going to ECSTATICALLY vote Republican even if they secretly loath the candidate and convince 2 others to do the same OR b) admit they have always LOVED Obama and a liberal agenda, because staying home/3rd party voting/leaving the ballot blank is THE SAME as voting for the socialist. 95% of cons pull their heads out of their asses and vote R. 2) You convince the true fence sitters to look at US V THEM. In the last year, did they lose their job? Take a pay cut? Know a family member who did or lost their house? Remind them that Democrats have: increased taxes and regulations with the intent to raise them further GUTTED foodstamps to pay off bloated public worker pensions. REFUSED to cut one single federal employee, or their salary, but they want everyone else to pay for it. ENGAGED IN ABSOLUTELY FRAUDULENT deals with banks to keep THEIR property (see that one CA Congresswoman and ChaseBank) while you lose yours. US v THEM is a very, very powerful thing. Look at the poor residents in Bell, California. Their virulant anger in the poor neighborhoods probably explains this statistic from Survey USA's California Senate poll. SINCE the flare up over Bell and Vernon and other cities' raping of the poor, Fiorina OUTPOLLS Boxer in Los Angeles County, and is near even (40-46) amongst hispanics. CAPITALIZE THE HELL OUT OF THIS. 3) Drive anyone who needs it to the polls. Carpool if you must. Make sure EVERYONE YOU KNOW votes, no matter what. 4) Seeds of doubt (Kick em while they are down)- Register on Kos, DU, other sites. Lay low and post dem stuff for 2-3 weeks, then start complaining about the candidates. BOAST about how you are not going to vote for a traitor like Boxer, or a weak candidate like Murray. BOAST about how the Dems "deserve a purging" Infiltrate, depress, and destroy. SOLD Republican turnout + "new" Republican voters (those won over via US V THEM) + depressed Democratic turnout = a Michael Bayesque disaster for the Dems.

84 The biggest problem that the America faces this election was the mind-numbingly insane attitude expressed perfectly by McShame in the 2008 election:

"I have to tell you. Sen. Obama is a decent person and a person you donÂ’t have to be scared of as president of the United States"

Anytime we have a GOP idiot who expresses this sort of idea, we lose lots and lots of votes.  Some of them are lost from people who, rightfully, realize that someone so detached from reality is worthless.  Some of them are lost from people who take that as "proof" (for them) that there is nothing more at stake than just another election.

The most important aspect of this election is to make clear what is at stake.  The GOP hasn't done that - in fact they work against it.  Most conservative pundits haven't done that, either.

The US has only a slim chance of making it through the next years as an intact entity that carries the American creed (which is the essence of America, after all).  When conservatives (and GOPers) are scared to tell the truth about that, or when they allow the most ridiculous SCOTUS and federal judiciary nominees to fly through, people lose faith and confidence in their understanding of what is happening.

This is separate from the election machine operations that you are addressing, but goes to the core of what that election machine runs on ... the fuel for that machine.  And too many conservatives and GOPers are quick to pull the trigger on other conservatives in some twisted notion of "a shunda for the dems".  We saw this with the "macaca" insanity, and many other issues - which have grown exponentially since The Precedent took office, both in number and importance.

85 74 We don't need "machine politics" for our side.  We just need to get off our asses and do shit.  We are supposed to be the entrepreneurial ones.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 21, 2010 01:34 PM (Pm5H

Like I said, the concept leave a lot of R's with a bad taste in their mouths. But most of "machine politics" isn't graft, corruption and fraud, that's primarily a Dem phenomenon. Most of it is:

1) Raising money
2) Communication at the local level
3) Encouraging people to vote
4) Coordinating your efforts

None of that is corrupt, but people tend to reject the whole "machine" idea because to them it implies corrupt Chicago politics. So they try to reinvent the damned wheel every campaign.

The other problem (mind drifting here, no sleep), is that when Repubs DO engage in "machine politics," they tend to end up drafting "insiders" also known as "bureaucrats and RINOs" to do it, because none of the grassroots wants to be involved. Which is why the GOP itself is so screwed up and keep nominating Democrats like Scuzzy Fava Beans or whoever, because they're only nominally Republican themselves, they're "cultural Democrats."

86

I know people hear don't like dems, but David Patterson is a decent man, he refused to tow the Fraud's line, which is why he was thrown under the bus. He refused to give Princess Caroline Hillary's seat, not that Gillibrand is that much of an improvement, especially after hearing Gillibrand wants a grd zero victory mosque built.

Patterson understands people don't want that ground zero victory mosque.  How the hell will people stand a mosque where the imam says "Bin Laden was made in America", "American is an accessory to 9/11" built just a minute's walk from a cemetary of all those innocent Americans murdered 9 years ago.

87

here in Scottsdale, there is a GOP Womens Club, I was invited to attend but truthfully I was a bit intimidated. it may be a 'class' thing as in do I have enough to blend with the GOP Womens Club?

I had no trouble blending with the Dems lol. and at Tea Parties we all just look American, but my mental image of a GOP Womens Club Dinner involves pearls which I have but rarely wear.

You could drop your preconceived stereotype of Republican women and go.  If you end up not fitting in then no one will hold a gun to your  head and make you go again.  So at worst you'll have lost a night, and at best you'll make new friends.

88 This isn't a house. Look, I've got a basketball goal in the front and a sweet deck out back.

89 Democrats like Scuzzy Fava Beans

lol
goes great with Chianti

90

my 2 cents.... as a recent ex-dem,  demon's rat never stop campaigning, even after an election, they are always campaigning for the next time.

Repubs and conservative tend to sit back if they won. I don't understand it.  The Tea Party I went to, I was trying to organize email lists, etc, so that the organization is focused and everyone can contact everyone else. 

91 "I have to tell you. Sen. Obama is a decent person and a person you donÂ’t have to be scared of as president of the United States"

Amen.  That's just sickening.   Translates as: I know I'm going to lose this election.  Please don't stick it in too far, Barack.

92 Posted by: mim/ginaswo at August 21, 2010 01:42 PM (6uk6i)

I hope you don't mind me using you as an example of my earlier point.

Some people want to lecture you or question your intentions, and I can understand that instinct.

But we need to win, so my first goal is to try to make you feel welcome here and try to be friends. I was convinced my ideas work, obviously you've got a better handle on at least the economics than a lot of people, and my experience is that economics is a "gateway idea" to individualism and away from nanny-state-ism.

Now, I'm not so big tent that I want to see the GOP abandon key ideas just to try to get people to sign up, but for crying out loud, opportunity's knocking, don't just turn up the TV!

93 mim/ginasow,

I really appreciate your enthusiasm.  It's great and catchy and will do a lot of good, but we heard all this stuff during '08.  Hillary supporters are going to give McCain the win, blah, blah, blah. 

I actually do think this will be ugly for the Dems, but it's difficult to read some of the things you are saying and not think of '08.  Brings back painful memories.

94

<sub>mother, do you think they'll try to break my balls?
mother, should I run for president?

(your turn)</sub>

Mother, friend. I am for the Wall.

95

 There are very few safe Democratic districts this year -- Barney Frank could lose.

Wait, what? If Barney isn't in the house, he'll be selling ass out of his condo again. Damn.  

96 here in Scottsdale, there is a GOP Womens Club, I was invited to attend but truthfully I was a bit intimidated. it may be a 'class' thing as in do I have enough to blend with the GOP Womens Club?

Relax.  Just go to your local U-Haul store to rent a truck.  I was the only person there without multiple, conspicuous tattoos.  And I was the only man there.  That'll make you feel like a Queen.  (Hell, it made ME feel like a Queen)

97
You know, it woulda been nice if Obama chose McCain as SecDef.

We coulda been rid of the ol' jerk in the Senate. looks like another 6  5 years of him stabbing us in the back.

*oddly, in the 6th year of his term McCain remembers he's a conservative

98

Repubs and conservative tend to sit back if they won. I don't understand it.  The Tea Party I went to, I was trying to organize email lists, etc, so that the organization is focused and everyone can contact everyone else. 

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at August 21, 2010 01:50 PM (ACkhT)

It's real simple to understand.  Republicans/conservatives, on average, tend to have actual religious convictions and life AFTER elections.  Elections & Government tend to be Democrats life & religion.

99

I know people hear don't like dems, but David Patterson is a decent man, he refused to tow the Fraud's line,

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at August 21, 2010 01:47 PM (ACkhT)

You know, you're a nice guy. I like you. But excuse me while I slice like an F'in hammer;

TOE the line, TOE the fucking line! You put your TOE on the LINE like EVERYONE ELSE to show that you're CONFORMING.

This isn't about fucking fishing, you're not trying to catch fucking Jaws here.

TOE THE FUCKING LINE.

*ahem*

The extremely profane idiom correction nazi thanks you for your support.

100
Remember when Obama said he'd appoint Republicans to his admin?

So far he's got, what, one?

Ray friggin' LaHood. Obama said, "Ray is my kind of Republican."

Yeah. Exactly.

101 Our disadvantage here is that for the left politics and government are business. Its how they make their living.The only way to change it is to deprive the Professional Left of taxpayer funding, i.e.doing away with public sector unions and ACORN like organizations. I'm not holding my breath.

102

Posted by: Editor at August 21, 2010 01:51 PM (YX6i/)

With all due respect, Mccain would have won if the 6 million Bush voters had come out to vote for Mccain.

Frankly, as a lifelong dem, at that point me and my family were, it was weird to be campaigning for a repub and against the undemocratic party, of which I was a member.

And I never really understood why conservatives didn't like Mccain.

 I do now. 

103 Ace, you have to stop punching down and join me in the mighty crusade. You must start by posting on your blog what I think is important, and only talking about what I want to talk about

104 #102 Patterson openly criticized the stimulus bill as a failure, and the health care bill as being built on the backs of New Yorkers and Californians. He wasn't going to last, and he saw that clear as day. No pun intended. He did throw us a bone and had Gilly be the Dim Dem from NY. Had Guiliani or Pataki BOTHERED, her seat would be in firm GOP hands.

105 I actually do think this will be ugly for the Dems, but it's difficult to read some of the things you are saying and not think of '08.  Brings back painful memories.

Posted by: Editor at August 21, 2010 01:51 PM (YX6i/)

In 2008, the Hillbuzz people didn't *really* believe what they were hearing about Barry.

But it came true.

Who knows if that will be enough, but it's not 2008 anymore.

106 Phone banks?  Honestly, people, what will Wall Street think of next?  And you just know that Sarah Palin and her goons sneak in every night and empty them.

107 I've got a follow-up post here that expands on my thoughts above: http://nukemhill.wordpress.com/2010/08/21/control-the-grassroots-conversation/

108
that reminds me, I'm gonna mighty pissed off if Rudy or George Pataki decide to throw their hats in the presidential ring.

No thanks, a-holes. Where were you two when you're party and country needed you in 2010?

109 Oh, please - 6 million?  I didn't care for Bush, but I voted for him both times.  I HATE McCain and made sure to vote for him, to vote against Barry. 

McCain did everything in his power not to win.  He basically asked people not to vote for him.

110 btw...rumor has it Giuliani is considering a last minute jump-in to the New York Senate race (Gillibrands). Very douchey move. But we all know what sort of panic that would send the Democrats into, with yet ANOTHER seat likely to go red.

111 106 Ace, you have to stop punching down and join me in the mighty crusade. You must start by posting on your blog what I think is important, and only talking about what I want to talk about

Posted by: someguy who annoys ace at August 21, 2010 01:57 PM (vdfwz)

Shinebox. NOW.

112

Yes, the problem is that I am now understanding, the dems/liberals are working for a system that they are employed and dependent on.

So, of course its their full time job to expand and preserve the size of govt.

Those of us who work outside the govt, whose tax revenues goes to pay for that govt, just want to make sure the govt doesn't get in the way to hinder growth and give itself advantages that we in the private sector have to compete against.

113 We have got to stop this crony capitalism thievery.  As seen at zerohedge:

After a lengthy attempt to bail out his pet bank, ShoreBank Chicago, Illinois, which included several alleged armtwisting episodes by the administration, the president has finally let the bank die (with its assets valued at about 50% of face). Yet instead of going to hell, it was immediately resurrected with a bevy of new owners, among them Goldman, Morgan Stanley, and BofA, all of whom received nearly $400 million in taxpayer money for their "generosity" to keep the bank zombified even in the afterlife.

Its theft by govt.  Pure and Simple. To the middle class.  To your children and to your grandchildren.

114

Posted by: Editor at August 21, 2010 02:01 PM (YX6i/)

Oh, I competely agree, I swear, PUMA dems were yelling at the Mccain campaign to hit harder.  When Palin came on, she was ready to fight, and was reigned in.

But, yes, I read on redstate or strata-sphere, I forget which one, 6 million Bush voters stayed home.

115 btw filing deadline for New York was 7/15 so while that rumor about Rudy is flying around, no weight to it anyway since he couldn't run... unless as an indy maybe?

116 Posted by: CAC at August 21, 2010 02:01 PM (Gr1V1)

I wish instead he would go for chuckie's seat

117

With all due respect, Mccain would have won if the 6 million Bush voters had come out to vote for Mccain.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at August 21, 2010 01:57 PM (ACkhT)

Yep.  And McShame's most serious problem was that, after the credit crisis hit, it was clear that huge amounts of power were being moved into the Executive, and that much power could not be left in the hands of someone who had no AMerican sensibilities, whatsoever.  America understood this.  They knew how close to the edge America was.  They knew how consequential the 2008 election was going to be (because of the credit crisis).  But, McShame showed no understanding of the risks and went out of his way to denigrate anyone who understood what was going on.

When McShame berated Bill Cunningham for calling the Indonesian Imbecile by his given name, Hussein, the gig was up.  There was just no way to get many to the polls for someone that incredibly stupid and disingenuous. 

I still cannot get over how anyone can make someone's middle name a "smear".  I just don't understand this sort of insanity.  Most of America didn't.  And who, after all, would ever vote for someone who says that it is a smear to say someone's full name?  I can't even imagine how ridiculous this generation is going to look in future history books.  We are going to be the laughing stock of history, for quite some time.

My point is not to dredge up McShame's failures, once again, but to show that the GOP has still not gained an understanding of what happened and why it happened.

118

http://tinyurl.com/28hfy9z

Video, mom at a townhall goes after Senator from NC for passing such a bad Deathcare Bill

119 Theoretically he could still run under a 3rd party if declared by September, enough time for the GOP and Conservative parties to get really, really pissed off with his action... and then endorse him anyway. But a serious stretch. But that would be pretty fucking awesome. Democrats would just shit themselves.

120

Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 21, 2010 02:08 PM (Qp4DT)

Yep.  Even dems like me were disgusted with mccain for him falling into that race-baiting crap.

The man refused to fight back. I called his office so many time with information and suggestions for ads, etc, on how to help go after the fraud.  I actually do think, Mccain didn't want to win.  I see Palin, who will not back down, not one inch. She mocks the fringe media, she is not afraid to fight back.

No wonder the liberals are afraid of her. She fights back.

121 Greg Gutfeld coming up on MOnica Crowley to discuss his new gay bar.

122

But, yes, I read on redstate or strata-sphere, I forget which one, 6 million Bush voters stayed home.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at August 21, 2010 02:04 PM (ACkhT)

I think that number has to do with the voting totals comparing 2004 and 2008.  I believe fewer people voted in 2008 and McCain ended up with 6 million fewer votes than W did in 2004.

In my opinion its the perfect example of the idiocy of purity Republicans and RINOs  wanting to expunge the other from the party.

123 Remember when Obama said he'd appoint Republicans to his admin?

So far he's got, what, one?

Ray friggin' LaHood. Obama said, "Ray is my kind of Republican."

Yeah. Exactly.

Posted by: Very Proud Big-Tit 'n Ass Lovin Republican at August 21, 2010 01:56 PM (DPuFa)

Aw shucks. If I had won, I'd have jettisoned that Palin broade, put Barry in her place and then immediately resigned. Because I'm a maverick, damn it.

124 What the republicans need are people with skilz to volunteer and not expect to be paid but with the satisfaction that they contributed to a win and a pat on the back....

125 Greg Gutfeld coming up on MOnica Crowley to discuss his new gay bar.

Posted by: curious at August 21, 2010 02:13 PM (p302b)

I have to say, I was never a fan of Gutfeld's idea.  You fight fire with fire.  There should have been a koran burning/flushing in the street.  Of course, the GOP and conservative pundits would have run from that idea like their pants were on fire.  But it is the logical counter to the idiotic "freedom of religion" argument that the dems and their Indonesian are pushing.  Even though the opportunity to show the dems' love of burning the American flag versus their revulsion at flushing korans would have laid their seditious and stupid ideas out in plain sight.

126

When McShame berated Bill Cunningham for calling the Indonesian Imbecile by his given name, Hussein, the gig was up.  There was just no way to get many to the polls for someone that incredibly stupid and disingenuous. 

McCain supposedly didn't even know what Willie had actually been saying either before denouncing him.  People that could listen to 700 WLW would know that his usage of Hussein was because of the media embargo on the middle name, because of their fear of Americans being racist against it.  And that was the reason for his repeating it, not to get the crowd into some bigotted froth like the MFM really wants to believe.

127

Posted by: buzzion at August 21, 2010 02:15 PM (oVQFe)

well, a small biz collegue of mine walls in this category. He refused to vote for Mccain, said he was too liberal, and we got into so many arguments, that I as a democrat was campaigning and voting for McPalin, and he as a lifelong repub would not.

Needless to say, this man is now pissed, very pissed at what is going on, and I remind he every so often that he refused to get off his butt and help keep a fraud like that out.

He will not be making that mistake in 2010 or in 2012.

128
Why do Chinese people suck up their food and chew loudly?

This guy is sucking up his rice like he's a Hoover vacuum. I see a lot of chinese people doing this. They suck up their soup like that, too.

129 I still cannot get over how anyone can make someone's middle name a "smear".  I just don't understand this sort of insanity.  Most of America didn't.  And who, after all, would ever vote for someone who says that it is a smear to say someone's full name?

Dude, "Hussein"... it's clear what Rethuglikkkans mean when they invoke that.

130 The president and lahood have a lot in common, starting with, they are both big Lincoln cheerleaders.  Lahood is german/lebanese.  Lahood is a teacher.  Doesn't being a teacher mean you are a big union guy...so that's another thing they have in common.  Plus lahood presided over the impeachment vote of clinton.    LINK

131 I think hillary might suddenly show up to try and get her Senate seat back.  Secretary of State is getting old...

132

Newt Gingrich? Rudy Gulliani? Mitt Romney? Huckabee? Palin? THIS is the problem with the GOP. We keep putting up retreads, candidates that have ripped each other apart even before the media gets a chance to put their spin on them. If we don't get some fresh blood running in there, the idiots that voted for McLame in the primary are going to do it again. You think McLame was a zombie asshole LAST time, well, he's been slumming conservative and I'll bet that hair trigger anger is churning around in his stomach with all that ensure and geritol. For the love of pete, we already have Whale Wars, do we have to put up with another campaign with his pig daughter. FOR THAT, we need to find better candidates.

As for 2010, just STFU and allow the dems to bury themselves. Talk lower taxes, less government, following the constitution, and keep it simple. And, in January, toss that wet fart Steele on his ass.

133

Video, mom at a townhall goes after Senator from NC for passing such a bad Deathcare Bill

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at August 21, 2010 02:08 PM (ACkhT)

Look at all those seniors. God bless them and fuck the dems for what they're trying to do to them.

134 Palin wanted to campaign in Michigan, believing with the conditions there they could make some gains. The campaign said no, Mi. is lost. So McCain focused on red states, playing Prevent Defence. We all know what Prevent Defence is worth, usually prevents you from winning.

135 75% or more of any election is just public mood, not funding, organization, advertising, or party machine. If people want something, they'll vote for it even if the ads suck or your team is poor. Its just a lot safer to have everything working and in those 25% you need the edge.

136 Palin wanted to campaign in Michigan, believing with the conditions there they could make some gains. The campaign said no, Mi. is lost. So McCain focused on red states, playing Prevent Defence. We all know what Prevent Defence is worth, usually prevents you from winning.

Posted by: bigred at August 21, 2010 02:22 PM (cX9pO)

Ya gotta go for it!

137 I think hillary might suddenly show up to try and get her Senate seat back.  Secretary of State is getting old...

Posted by: curious at August 21, 2010 02:21 PM (p302b)

She should have been laughed out of any public office after that unbelievable "reset/overcharged" gaffe.  The fucking State Department can't get a simple Russian translation of ONE WORD correct?  I cannot think of a more ridiculous or retarded example of international diplomacy.  It's not even as though she were overseeing some translation of a complicated treaty in some obscure language.  It was one fucking word in Russian - a language that we had to have intimate knowledge of for the whole latter half of the 20th century.  My G-d.

I am stunned that she is still in any office.  I am even more stunned that she would be considered competent enough for anything, at all.

138

perhaps this is why establishment repubs don't like Palin, frankly, many times it seems the entire establishment, dems and repubs don't like her because she refuses to play those "whose turn is to have power" games.

139 I love the rah-rah shit like yesterday, I really do.  However, I've found this thread far more helpful and motivating and those rah-rah threads had me pretty fired up.

140

With all due respect, Mccain would have won if the 6 million Bush voters had come out to vote for Mccain.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at August 21, 2010 01:57 PM (ACkhT)

I think you're probably correct,

BUT

while we might only be half a close to Socialism with McCain as we are with Big O, everyone would be just fine with it.

We needed the Big O wake-up call / delirium / disease; it's essentially the national version of the mumps.

New Coke. From Summer 2008; remember?

This time, Vote.  Get your friends to vote. There are 2 choices:
1. Vote for the 'R'
2. Get more "stimulus" / "benefits" / "Single Payer Healthcare" / "union bailouts" / "Hope'nChange_^TM"

141 Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 21, 2010 02:08 PM

McCain was so wrapped up in the old "politics as usual" bag that dominated D.C. up through 2008 that he couldn't -- or didn't want to -- see that the Democrats had finally achieved their goal of electing a candidate who would have felt right at home in Moscow, circa October, 1917.

He would not have been as good a president as Dubya (and that's not saying much, in my book). But he would have been a combination of Washington, Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt when compared the the Mohammedan Mouthpiece.

Back on topic: I suggest that what the Republicans need more than money (and more than morons talking about walking the precincts) is candidates who motivate people to vote. To me that means honest, conservative, patriotic candidates who don't answer every question with the kind of insane double-talk babble that dominates the "discussions" on Fucks News. People who don't go all "go along to get along" when principles are at stake.

Yeah. No electing any "Poppin' Fresh" squishes.

In other words: no more Newt Lites. No Shuckabees. And definitely no Bushes.

142 -->He [McCain] would not have been as good a president as Dubya (and that's not saying much, in my book). But he would have been a combination of Washington, Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt when compared the the Mohammedan Mouthpiece.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 21, 2010 02:30 PM (Ulu3i)

No doubt about that.  I hated the guy with a burning passion, but I did as his mother said I had to, defended him vigorously in 2008, voted for him, and tried to convince everyone I ran into about how the Indonesian Imbecile would be stepping into an unbelievably strengthened Executive (far beyond Constitutional limits) with a terribly weakened and vulnerable US.  That combination was death for America.

143

Posted by: Arbalest at August 21, 2010 02:29 PM (VZC6E)

Yes, I agree with your assement.  Never would I have thought that I would be blogging with conservatives and agreeing with them after being a registered democrat my entire life.  And this all occured since 2008.

Mccain would have kept the same path towards all the nonsense, just as a slower pace..... boiling frog slowly in warm water.

Now?  the temp. has been turned up so high, people like me, even social liberals  like my in-laws have been awakened much much faster. The frogs wants out of the pot, and the number of frogs who feel this way is increasing.

 

144 We needed the Big O wake-up call / delirium / disease; it's essentially the national version of the mumps.

Posted by: Arbalest at August 21, 2010 02:29 PM

This meme makes me tired. I don't agree that we had to wreck the nation to save it.

There are dangerous actions -- like those I suspect McCain would have taken -- that merely take hard work and sacrifice to repair, and then there are treasonous, America-destroying acts like those the Traitor-in-Chief takes, the ones that may require spilling blood and starvation to rectify.

145

Yeah, POP. They should have asked Condi Rice, maybe. She has been told by Russians she speaks Russian like a Russian. No higher compliment than that.

As for burning Korans, I'm afraid that may be coming, in spades. I told friends of mine back when Bush had trouble with the Chinese about that plane that the next war will not be with the Chinese, but with Islam. Iraq wasn't it, the big one's coming.

146

I have to say, I was never a fan of Gutfeld's idea.  You fight fire with fire.  There should have been a koran burning/flushing in the street. 

Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 21, 2010 02:18 PM (Qp4DT)

Personally I'm quite content to get the word out on stuff like Rauf's Rolfing Ruminations and watch the Dems eat each other on the topic.

Mind you, getting that stuff past the MFM can be a chore, and burning Korans would get instant coverage, but the latter would also "bring together" the left into a bloc, and I'd rather do the extra work and watch them cannibalize themselves.

147

"I don't agree that we had to wreck the nation to save it."

Yes, I agree, but the country was and is headed towards a wreakening already, slowly then, faster now.  I so wanted Mccain to win, if for no other reason, that he would not have done the crap Obama has done.   But, now, what is done is done, and at least now people millions of more Americans are awake.

148 I don't think Palin will run in 2012.  I think since they want her to run and they keep putting that idea forth that she won't run just to keep them guessing.  Besides, she is having way more fun being everyone's "fly in the ointment".

149 I'm part of the problem, and that's probably not going to change. I vote Republican, and I'm happy to stroke a check, but I don't like walking around my Virginia neighborhood selling soap. My neighbors are intelligent adults, most of them happen to be Democrats, and I'm not going to talk them out of their views--several cocktail parties have made that amply clear. Also, I note the same phenom that an earlier poster did--the ward political types here give me the downright willies, kinda creepy in that Student Council earnestness way. I can't hang with that crowd, where every conversation is really someone trying out their poorly concealed bid-for-vice-director-of-precinct-treasurer speech on you. I don't like having my privacy intruded by earnest kids begging me to help "save the Bay," and I'm not about to become the neighborhood political nuisance any more than I already am, with my war-mongering "Bush/Cheney 2004" sign and "obnoxiously Palinesque" American flag. When the GOP's policies are more attractive than the Dems' policies, the GOP candidate will win. When the GOP candidate is a conservative, Republicans will turn out. If the GOP can't do it without me wheedling my neighbors about the next best thing when that thing is a political Frankenstein of policy difference-splitting, then maybe the candidate is wrong--that was certainly true last time, and that's the fundamental problem, not the fact that I'm not pestering Joe down the street to vote how I tell him. I'm guessing he doesn't like me telling him what to do or how to think any more than I do. So, blame me.

150

OT: Islam vs Disneyland, Round 1

Muslim Worker: Disney Wrong to Ban Hijab  http://ow.ly/18FwJc

A Muslim woman who works as a hostess at a restaurant in Disneyland has filed a discrimination complaint against the world-renowned California theme park, saying officials at the park violated the law when they told her she could not appear in front of customers while wearing a religious head scarf.

151 Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at August 21, 2010 02:38 PM (ACkhT)

McCain made two "fatal errors" with us independents.  He endorsed BO during one of the debates and he said something about being willing to be in the middle east for a hundred years (something like that).  The whisper about him was that he would keep us in war forever and people didn't want that. 

And he embarrassed himself with the whole going back to DC things and looked like an idiot compared to the "calm, cool, 'i'm here if you need me' BO"

152

Remember when the popular wisdom was that the rank-and-file Republicans were tired of them in Congress and wanted to "punish them at the polls"?

That's exactly what happened in '06. Dims and Nazi Pelosi took over the very next January and we've been in a downhill slide ever since.

Now the popular wisdom is that Dims will get crushed this November.

Not that I'm soaping up anybody's back just yet, but it is coming. The only question is, will we take just the House, or the House and Senate too?

I think the bear is about to wake up and start ripping off faces...

153 Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at August 21, 2010 02:41 PM (YVZlY)

And if they had said, we're going to make you Princess Jasmine they would have sued for stereotyping.

154 Posted by: BackwardsBoy at August 21, 2010 02:43 PM (kFODZ)

I'm not seeing the bear but everywhere I go I see really pissy people....sort of like a rabid pack of angry pit bulls without leashes.

155

-->Yeah, POP. They should have asked Condi Rice, maybe. She has been told by Russians she speaks Russian like a Russian. No higher compliment than that.

For sure. But, even aside from having an American who speaks Russian, I know dozens of Russians who are fluent in English that I could have run that translation by, myself. To think that the State Department is unable to translate Russian is unreal. What if the Russians had been talking about something being 'overcharged' - meaning that it was about to explode - and the retards at State translated that to being 'reset'? The consequences are serious and totally avoidable. In a normal world, that one gaffe would have been the end of Shrillary and the Indonesian Imbecile. But, that's in a normal world. And the GOP and conservative pundits have precious little to say about the whole affair, when it should have been tied around the left and the dems like some burning tire in South Africa ...

-->As for burning Korans, I'm afraid that may be coming, in spades. I told friends of mine back when Bush had trouble with the Chinese about that plane that the next war will not be with the Chinese, but with Islam. Iraq wasn't it, the big one's coming.

Posted by: bigred at August 21, 2010 02:35 PM (cX9pO)

Iraq was merely the first step to start to take eliminate the threats emanating from the arab/persian/muslim world. It was the "secular" step into that world of our enemies to take them apart. Unfortunately, it became the last such step, when it was supposed to lay the groundwork for dismantling the Iranian nuclear threat.

156 Curious, yes he gave them a hanging curve ball with that 100 years remark. Most people don't realize we've been in Germany and Japan for 65 years now and Korea for 60. You can't just assume people know what you're saying.

157 The Dems have "experience", we have "retreads". The Dems have "fresh faces", we have "kooks coming out of the woodwork".
Until Republicans stop savaging their own experienced, electable candidates, we're screwed. Our own worst enemies, every single time.

158

Maybe the GOP shouldn't get cocky, but the article to which you link is complete and total bullshit.  Can't see 40 seats flipping?  So the word of one anonymous operative trumps that of every smart political observer that sees the Dems getting crushed?  So the huge enthusiasm gap show by every poll is not going to materialize because a few shitty candidates didn't organize phone banks?

I am getting so sick of the doom and gloom bullshit from McCain.  If he isn't trying to scare people about the November elections, he is busy telling us we should be supporting Tea  Party candidates in liberal states who have no fucking chance, at all, of winning in the general election. 

159

I am going to volunteer for Rossi in King County, Washington which is like taking a stroll through the DMZ in 1971 without your rifle.

I don't know if it will do any good but this year is too important not to try. If nothing else I am going to make sure that people know what happened to this economy since the democrats took over congress 4 years ago.

160 I wonder how the history books will treat the fact that the pres was on vacation when the Iranians fired up the old nuclear power plant.

161

Mind you, getting that stuff past the MFM can be a chore, and burning Korans would get instant coverage, but the latter would also "bring together" the left into a bloc, and I'd rather do the extra work and watch them cannibalize themselves.

Posted by: Merovign, Strong on His Mountain at August 21, 2010 02:37 PM (bxiXv)

That's why I said that it stands in perfect contraposition to the dems' love of burning American flags (freedom of speech, they say) or pissing on Bibles and the general denigration/mocking of Christian symbols.

These are hills to die on, since if America can't come to a clear understanding of these simple issues, there's nothing to save, anyway.

162 "The name of the bar is 'dialogue', thus, I am now building dialogue".....Gutfeld...

163 I have never seen why door-to-door matters. My inclination when a dem sets foot on my lawn is to wish I had dogs to loose followed by buckshot. My son went door-to-door last year for the republican govt candidate as part of his requirement for his senior govt class and if anybody answered the door, their mind was already made up.

164 Also, I note the same phenom that an earlier poster did--the ward political types here give me the downright willies, kinda creepy in that Student Council earnestness way.

When I tried to volunteer during the 2008 election, I had no luck.  The person manning the local office was clueless.  I never received a call back, only lots of robocalls for every goddamn Republican candidate. 

My impression is that there are busy bodies who form these official GOP organizations and that they are social and business networking as much as anything else.  They don't want skilled volunteers (as someone suggested earlier).  They just want your cash. 

165 Where I am the republican party and the dems too are little clicques.  They won't let you in, no matter what.

Got so annoyed at the republican that I told her she was really a dem operative in republican headquarters.  She threatened to call the police and got fuming mad and all red.  I figured I hit it right on the head.

I said "go ahead, let's call the police together, I'm not doing anything wrong I'm just talking to you" and I left.

166 POP, very true. Look at a map. Iraq to the west, Afghanistan to the north east. We can no longer count on Turkey as an ally, and a short border anyways. The only other way is from the sea. There's still a few few guys left from Tarawa and Iwo who can tell you how easy that is.

167 oh and I have a friend who is a lib/dem and got a similar reaction when she showed up at a democratic women's meeting.  They basically told her we don't want you so don't come back.

168 170 Where I am the republican party and the dems too are little clicques.  They won't let you in, no matter what.

This is the benefit of the tea party, I think. 

Of course it serves a different purpose, but it does give regular people outside the clique a chance to get involved. 

169 I wonder how the history books will treat the fact that the pres was on vacation when the Iranians fired up the old nuclear power plant.

Posted by: curious at August 21, 2010 02:47 PM (p302b)

Exactly. 

It reminds me of when the Russians were firing with tanks on the Duma and Clinton was out of the White House on vacation.  These things seem lost in the moment, but they will be well-noted when the final histories of the time are written.

170 This meme makes me tired. I don't agree that we had to wreck the nation to save it.

There are dangerous actions -- like those I suspect McCain would have taken -- that merely take hard work and sacrifice to repair, and then there are treasonous, America-destroying acts like those the Traitor-in-Chief takes, the ones that may require spilling blood and starvation to rectify.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 21, 2010 02:35 PM (Ulu3i)


In Summer 2008, I posted, here at Ace, several rants about voting for McCain. My views were clear. I did not know what Big OÂ’s plans were and I think few did, but I expected them to be bad.  Not this bad, though.

IÂ’m not certain that weÂ’ve wrecked the nation, but I think we are very close.  I think that O is something that was coming, eventually, something we would have to undergo in order to sort out our country politically, socially, Â…Â…Â….

I would have preferred this 12 years ago.  The spending shock wouldÂ’ve been about as big (-$1trillion?, and for what?) but weÂ’d have no Iraq and Afghanistan spending requirements.  Mexico was more stable back then.  [insert a few more reasons here] But Willie was too Slick, and I didnÂ’t get my wish.

In retrospect, starting in 2007, I think that the Housing Bubble wouldÂ’ve burst anyway, and while McCain mightÂ’ve done a better job of handling it, IÂ’m not certain of this, and he (and Bush and all RÂ’s) wouldÂ’ve been blamed.  I think also that weÂ’d have a bit more social programs as a result.

Follow this scenario with Big O: thereÂ’d be many more dependent people in the US, and therefore less resistance to Big OÂ’s policies and legislation.  November would not look the same.

To some degree, weÂ’re lucky that Big O did not happen later, in 2012 or 2016, when he might have been able to at least cover up more if his inability.  

MÂ’chelle was right in 2008.

171 Don't Get Cocky heh heh heh...  heh heh...  heh heh heh...

172 hahahha monica said BO said he isn't going to take a swim in front of the press cause then they'll take a picture of him without a shirt and tease him?????

He didn't seem to care.

Why lie?

Wouldn't it just be better to say "the water is filled with bacteria, it isn't safe for anyone to swim"?

173 demon's rat never stop campaigning, even after an election, they are always campaigning for the next time.

This is because for most dem candidates beyond local level,  if they lose, they're basically unemployed, rather than just returning to whatever business they were in before.

174 This is because for most dem candidates beyond local level,  if they lose, they're basically unemployed, rather than just returning to whatever business they were in before.

Word.

175 IÂ’m not certain that weÂ’ve wrecked the nation, but I think we are very close.

If we can recover at all, it will take at least 20 years. 

The engines of creation/prosperity have been cut up and sold for scrap.  The only thing left is depression level bare essentials production and employment levels.

With the economic core decimated and folded up, rather than simply slowed down as in typical recessions, we're about where Europe was in the mid-50's recovering from the WWII devastation.

There's thousands of medium sized businesses that had been around for decades that employed 50-200 people or so that are simply gone now.  It will decades to rebuild that job creation base.

176 My son went door-to-door last year for the republican govt candidate as part of his requirement for his senior govt class and if anybody answered the door, their mind was already made up.

That is something I have been saying for a long time. The MFM like to parrot about the crucial "independents" and the "undecideds".  There really isn't a group of "independents" out there. The people who actually switch votes back and forth are very very few. People may not be "registered" with a party but they vote for one of the parties every time. 

As for those "undecideds" the only ones who are truly "undecided" are the people who should be housed and not let out on the streets without a minder. 

The key to wining is to get out your party's voters. As has been said here over and over, McCain the Lame was unable to do that last time, even with Palin. If he had nominated Lindsey Graham, or even worse Lieberman, he would have lost every freaking State including AZ.

177
... right into my pants

wat

178

Posted by: curious at August 21, 2010 02:55 PM (p302b)

Good for you! And continue to call out.

When I was campaigning for McPalin,  I and my wife walked into a repub campaign office, told them openly we were lifelong dems wanting to keep Obama out, so we wanted to help McPalin win.

If they are mad about accused of being a dem operative, well, that;s because they are one.

There are many dems, or ex-dems, indies like me who are perfectly understanding of the whole dem operative thing, and we wouldn't be offended if we are called dem operatives, b/c we are not.

 

179 hahahha monica said BO said he isn't going to take a swim in front of the press cause then they'll take a picture of him without a shirt and tease him?????

He didn't want pictures taken because he wasn't swimming in the ocean-ocean as was being advertised.

180

I just read that a sewer broke, and there is fecal matter in the water at Martha's Vineyard, so all the beaches are closed.

LOL!!

181 I'll be at the voting booth in November. I will not be voting for a single Democrat. Never again. Obamacare proved that "moderate" Democrats are all talk. When push comes to shove, they'll sell out their constituents for their far-left extremist party leaders. I used to vote for Democrats who talked up fiscal responsibility and tax sanity. But to quote the Who, I won't get fooled again. And I won't be cutting corners by refusing to vote Republican, or by voting third party. I will be doing everything I can to help a Republican candidate defeat his Democratic opponent in every single race. I can promise you that.

182

Yes, I agree with your assement.  Never would I have thought that I would be blogging with conservatives and agreeing with them after being a registered democrat my entire life.  And this all occured since 2008.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at August 21, 2010 02:34 PM

What do you want, a fucking medal? You were retarded and now you're cured. We get it. That chicken is FLAT, man.

183
I'm sure the Tea Party will get blamed.

I hope every sub coming and going empties their bilges off of MV.

184

Yes, indeed, DeathCare proved there are NO, none, "moderate/conservative" dems. And I say that as a recovering dem. And then I was told I was too dumb to understand what's good for me and my family and my small business.

Will vote for a conservative everytime for as long as I can see, or as close as to a conservative in the available choices on the ballot.

185

Gotta go to work. Have a good afternoon everyone.

186

Sack Spratt!  SC-5 district voters, predominantly Democrats, are discovering that there really is a world beyond John Spratt, our 28-year Representative who is running for his 15th term:  unfortunately, it's San Francisco, Massachusetts, and the rest of the urban northeast.  For a bunch of proud and self-respecting Democrats, it's horrifying to see the extreme agenda we'd all be stuck with if he goes back again as Pelosi's budget chairman.  Now everyone's scrambling to organize:  good ole boy Dems have never seriously been challenged and were lazy and smug; Republicans and "moderates" are ready to bring it.  That line above about "I'm from somewhere else and don't want this place to turn into it." was a good one!  Having retired here a few years ago, I tried to get involved with the GOP.  County Chairman did not return phone calls or emails during the 2008 campaign season, and honestly, I assumed he had died.  Well, he's still here, doing zip, and the effort to sack Spratt and elect Mulvaney is not exclusively a GOP effort.  More of a let's- just- get- it-done effort, mobilized by first-time activists who are fired up.  BTW, as I'm meeting the GOP ladies:  lots of fun, tattoos, fearless, and mission-oriented.

 

187 Posted by: HornetSting at August 21, 2010 03:13 PM (AUo3q)

I think that was unnecessarily harsh.  John is expressing a change in perspective that is part of a larger move in society.  How much larger, we'll all see.

188 What do you want, a fucking medal?

That outburst was unnecessary, HornetSting. 

189 BTW, as I'm meeting the GOP ladies:  lots of fun, tattoos. . .

And this is a good thing?

190

Caiwyn, got another Who quote for you

 

"WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT"

191 196 Posted by: HornetSting at August 21, 2010 03:13 PM (AUo3q)

I think that was unnecessarily harsh.  John is expressing a change in perspective that is part of a larger move in society.  How much larger, we'll all see.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 21, 2010 03:17 PM (Qp4DT)

197 What do you want, a fucking medal?

That outburst was unnecessary, HornetSting. 

Posted by: Y-not at August 21, 2010 03:18 PM

He KEEPS SAYING IT, over and over again. I can read his handle and GET it. I'll go vacuum or something.

192

Someone said upthread (too lazy to track it down, sloth & all) that we would be remembered in shame.    Not going to happen.   I'll tell you how we're going to be remembered.    This time in history will be one of a great awakening.   A time when the American people woke up, and fought to restore their country to what the founders envisioned.    One where we fought back against socialism and progressive rule.    One in which we won that fight and relegated the socialist fucks to the dustbin.

That is the legacy I want my grandson to pass to his children and his children's children.    One that they can look back on with pride.   That we gave them back the greatest country on the planet never to be sullied again by the pukes that tried to destroy her.    Put those fucks in the hall of shame, not us.   We are American, by God, and I refuse to allow those SOBs to deny us that honor for our children.

That will be our legacy.  

193 Posted by: HornetSting at August 21, 2010 03:22 PM

Maybe it's the culture over at HotAir where I tend to see you posting to ridicule fellow commenters, but over here we save that for trolls and mobies.  john is neither.  Frankly, he contributes more to this site than you do.

194 Well, he's still here, doing zip, and the effort to sack Spratt and elect Mulvaney is not exclusively a GOP effort.

I posted a link to an article that discussed DeMint campaigning for Mulvaney, also a poll from May that had Pratt and Mulvaney essentially in a dead heat.  Mulvaney is probably up now.

Also, as I said earlier, keep in mind that this is a gerrymandered Dem district, one of two in the State.

195 203 Posted by: HornetSting at August 21, 2010 03:22 PM

Maybe it's the culture over at HotAir where I tend to see you posting to ridicule fellow commenters, but over here we save that for trolls and mobies.  john is neither.  Frankly, he contributes more to this site than you do.

Posted by: Y-not at August 21, 2010 03:25 PM

He certainly does, saying all the right things that make your ears ring. And, I do torment trolls and psuedo-wizards of smart, but thank you for the critique. I didn't know we got graded over here.

196

I'll go vacuum or something.

Posted by: HornetSting at August 21, 2010 03:22 PM (AUo3q)

It wasn't that big of a deal, hornet.

197  "My neighbors are intelligent adults, most of them happen to be Democrats, and I'm not going to talk them out of their views--several cocktail parties have made that amply clear. "

In other words, you have no idea what door-knocking actually is.

You're not trying to talk people into switching sides.

You're trying to get people you know are on your side to turn up.  To encourage and motivate the right-wing islands in your lefty sea.

Registered Republicans, NRA members, Dems who have voted R in past elections -- modern electioneering involves a lot of computer pre-targeting before you ever hit the pavement.

198 By the way, re-igniting the flames of whose fault 2008 was won't help AT ALL.

I think at this point we all realize that 2010 is big, and there are a lot of good (instead of non-horrible) candidates to actually support.

So stick to that.

199 206

Posted by: HornetSting at August 21, 2010 03:22 PM (AUo3q)

It wasn't that big of a deal, hornet.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 21, 2010 03:34 PM

I'll admit, I'm a little trigger happy, only BECAUSE I have to go vacuum.

 

200

I like Hot Air, good commentators over there. But it is a somewhat closed society, you gotta have the secret handshake.

This place, however, is an open bar. Grab a seat, order a drink, and join the fun. Everything's game, trolls are for target practice, just don't pee on the floor. Finding myself out of work after 40 years being able to come here helps keep my sanity and stay in touch with the outside world.

Yes, most of us know John is an ex-dem. A lot of us are. But there are new people coming here all the time and he just wants to be upfront with where he's coming from. That's cool.

And he ain't peed on the floor yet.

201 Blessed be a sinner who has seen the light!!! Halalulyah! Halalulyah! _{(That's whoopee to you Hebes.)}

202 211 But there are new people coming here all the time and he just wants to be upfront with where he's coming from. That's cool.

Yeah, it doesn't say much about us if we can't be friendly to new people recovering from their (hopefully) temporary insanity. We're about to see a tsunami in November, I'd like to see as many on that wave as possible. Not turned off by malicious snark directed at a regular.

Posted by: Downsized Upscale at August 21, 2010 03:48 PM

I apologize.

*kicks vacuum cleaner*

 

203 "32 I wonder if some of this has to do with just the psychological makeup of those on the left vs. those on the right. As we know, the left is collectivist; it's more of a worker bee/hive mentality. That is in stark comparison to the individualist/leave-me-alone mentality of the right Posted by: A.G. at August 21, 2010 12:48 PM" A.G. It has *everything* to do with it. Furthermore, it's why GOP politicians are so out of touch with the base. The pols really are the herd type, not at all like their constituents, who sorta pity them. For the progglodytes, elected politicians are bigger than movie and rock stars. Cordially...

204 208 By the way, re-igniting the flames of whose fault 2008 was won't help AT ALL. [...]

Posted by: someone at August 21, 2010 03:36 PM (DfAwB)

C'mon, help a brother out. Things are tough out here what with the high unemployment and all.

205 I'm a democrat ... not yet recovering. Google me, bitch.

206 You're ok Hornet. I've read and enjoyed you posts for quite a while now. At least here I can tell you that.

207 Posted by: Atrollpasinthru at August 21, 2010 03:53 PM

Oooh! Oooh! Ace, he used the "H-word!" I can use it (because I am one and all) but it really frosts the ol' cookies to see it being used by the goyim!

_{Not that I want to deny his First Amendment rights or nothin', or make him quit his radio show...}

208 You know my dad keeps saying that some of the "old time dems" would not fathom this democratic party"

Maybe that is why we have so many RINO's cause they aren't really republicans or conservatives but they aren't the new kind of democrat either.  So, the dems won't let them get near an office and the republicans might be a little too trusting and welcoming.  I think it is hard to know when someone is really an old fashioned democrat fleeing to the republican party cause what they really want is the power and the office and they'll do anything to get it.  You'd have to be in the heart and mind reading business to know who is who.

209

ot

DA BEARS TO WIN IT ALL!!!!!  WOOHOOOOOO

that is all

210 Ace is gettin all philosophical and religiony in the new thread

211 I received a letter inviting me to apply to be an election judge here. I feel a bit of civic duty that this is the very least I can do. I live in the Illinois 5. This district will go Blue even if they had Pol Pot running. That doesn't matter -- I suppose it's the principal to stand there and be a witness if a crowd of city workers come in and stuff in ballots from a giant sack. So maybe I'm part of the problem. The problem is -- in this economy -- I'm working contract-to-contract. I don't know where I'll be on election day. Okay, I take it back -- I sound like a wuss, so I'll apply. But I also get email from the Kirk campaign asking me to go out and campaign and man phone banks. I'm reluctant to do it because I hate getting those phone calls myself. I'm annoyed at canvassers the same way. So maybe I am part of the problem, still. Still, if Mark Kirk loses the Senate race to Gianoullias in Illinois, then I admit it is Officially Over. I'll be done with politics and just join the "ruling class" meritocracy, because the idea of any spark of conservatism in Illinois will be stomped out.

212 This district will go Blue even if they had Pol Pot running.

My understanding is that New Democrats want to be Pol Pot.

213

Texas grassroots conservative organzation with the best tools:

Heritage Alliance

214

This place, however, is an open bar. Grab a seat, order a drink, and join the fun. Everything's game, trolls are for target practice, just don't pee on the floor. Finding myself out of work after 40 years being able to come here helps keep my sanity and stay in touch with the outside world.

That's going to be news to a lot of people here.

 

215 Republicans never learn. We will lose in the CITIES the same way they lost them in 2008 and most election cycles since the 60's. It is an unbelievable truth that election after election Republicans do not campaign in the "black" neighborhoods, nor attempt to recruit conservative Black politicians to wear the Republican banner. We've had 2 years since the last election and we're (with few exceptions) still sending in the "Lilly White 'B' team". The same goes for the Hispanic voters, we offer them nothing. Sure the Republicans will clean up in the fly over states, in rural everywhere, but we lose the elections in the CITIES. Until this demographic changes we cannot hope to be THE significant party. All the conversation about "rino's" and "moderates", or blaming McCain for being too squishy is all academic, until Republicans can garner 15-20% of the black population and 25% of the Hispanics it will continue to be an uphill pull.

216 The same goes for the Hispanic voters, we offer them nothing.

We offer them the same thing we offer everyone.

What we don't offer is race-based free gov't money.  If that's what they want, no amount of pandering is going to get them to vote for us.

What's the problem, again?

217 Buzzion, yeah, but we got mops for those folks.

218 Congress, I don't think its money for nothing and chicks for free for blacks and Hispanics. And I don't think it is strictly a "race" issue. Its about sharing authority and having the right ideas. It's about Republicans taking advantage of the fact that plenty of people of color and liberal city folks are fed up with the status quo, and may be ready to flip over if the right "propositions" were made.

219 btw...rumor has it Giuliani is considering a last minute jump-in to the New York Senate race (Gillibrand)

That would be so fucking sweet, and I would volunteer for that campaign. If Lazio gets it together, I would volunteer for his. I keep checking his website and the polls, and I really dislike Paladino who admittedly comes off as the tougher candidate but also supposedly has a lot of dirt on him, but the outlook for Lazio now is grim. I really want to beat Cuomo.

But my husband and I are getting a truck next week, and I have friends upstate in Durham and Woodstock I could stay with. Phones, ride shares, door to door, if anyone has any ideas, let me know. Unfortunately, I'm in NYC, and it's useless here.

220 A bunch of moron meet ups might be in order just before the elections.

221 False analogy:  The quote was about someone planning to commit a crime

Elections are kinda more complex than murdering a dude--and you don't needta hide what you're doing ( or your success )

222 >>You're trying to get people you know are on your side to turn up. To encourage and motivate the right-wing islands in your lefty sea. >>Registered Republicans, NRA members, Dems who have voted R in past elections -- modern electioneering involves a lot of computer pre-targeting before you ever hit the pavement.<< I don't do cheerleader. Those folks will vote without me pestering them or insulting their intelligence. If not, so be it. Modern electioneering involves a lot of shrill people herding other people and touching them for cash at every turn. Modern electioneering involves a lot of prepackaged bullshit pitched by mediocrities who'd be hard pressed to run a lemonade stand. Modern electioneering involves a lot of self-important parasites doing all the annoying, midge-like bothering that parasites do--things like "hitting the pavement."

223 >>Its about sharing authority and having the right ideas. It's about Republicans taking advantage of the fact that plenty of people of color and liberal city folks are fed up with the status quo<< "People of color" = Newspeak goodthinking.

224 Those of you who were talking up about Hillary should check the story on Fox about her.

She is now blaming the flooding in Pakistan on AGW. 

225

The RNC will be getting zero cash from me ever again until they clean house in their administrative and policy ranks.

Until then, I will be giving to candidates directly as I have since 2006.

AS for being worried: I am not. Yes there are multitudes of ignorant dolts who voted within that 52% in 2008, but I have faith that the vast majority of them have seen the error of their ways -- as well as the backside the Dems have shown them since electing the sh!theads to a majority.

 

It isn't going to happen again. Sure, there will still be the 15-20% of the population that will vote for these assclown socialist cocksuckers....so be it. The way to rid ourselves of them is natural selection. (cough).

Other than that, I plan on spreading the word around to my friends, co-workers and anyone who will listen, telling them to get their a$$es to the polls so we can fix this country-wide mental lapse.

 

 

226 I predict the dems will Steele the election.

227 Yes there are multitudes of ignorant dolts who voted within that 52% in 2008, but I have faith that the vast majority of them have seen the error of their ways -- as well as the backside the Dems have shown them since electing the sh!theads to a majority. Yes, but the point is that we need them to vote OUR way now. A lot of those people may be staying home, disaffected and discouraged with the way Obama has been running the show. We have to convince them to come out and put a check on his power.

228 She is now blaming the flooding in Pakistan on AGW.

I never bought the shit that she was unfairly pressured into conceding. Either you want the job or you don't, and she ran a shitty campaign. I know all about the primary rules, MI and FL, but she still got outmaneuvered. Maybe she had been too nice to shitty people that she put into power, but then you can blame her for much of the corruption you see now. At one time, she and Bill raised money and stumped for Obama and many people who later stabbed her in the back. Karma is a bitch. In the end, she and Obama are exactly the same.

Moving on, a friend of mine was just visiting from Turkey. He has more pork in his home than anyone I know, and he hates the turn his country is taking. He brought up the floods in Pakistan and said, "Where are their friends the Saudis who have so much money? When the shit flies, everyone in the world looks to the US for help." My friend's father was the UN ambassador to this country for many years. Our Sec of State should sound more like one of our allies than some crackpot conspiracy theorist.

229 hola, Ive been thinking about this all day. a lot of organization can be done among Moms (or Dads if they are the primary 'school contact/drop off/bake sale/fundraiser/soccer/ person). Teachers in big unions towns will by and large be Obama supporters,  but I was trying to think of places of opportunity where neighborhood folks congregate and I came up with school, church, or Main St in smaller towns...

I think folks on the GOP side may be more howdoisay aw hell, polite. I was always told it is impolite to raise politics or religion in public but I always raise politics and/or religion/nationality/economy in public. Hell that is all my conversation right there.

Unless ya know it's a sci fi/fantasy geek crowd..but I can get politics and religion and economy in there prettye asily too

anywho I think it is important enough at this stage when we are really needing an electoral intervention, if you will, to save the economy from the Dems, that peeps try to overcome their innate and genteel manners and PROSELYTIZE YOUR NEIGHBORS

inform, inform, inform

At the last rally I attended, I went to see Sarah at a MAC rally for his primary here, I wound up letting the GOP ladies around me know all sorts of stuff they were uanware of.  It is so important to get people talking and excited.

and carpooling to the vote or arranging a get together afterward or meeting up before hand is great too, to keep energy up and ensure turnout

so yeah do talk to other parents at school gatherings on the DL so the teachers dont hear and give your kid a hard time, I mean they say they dont, but they do.

My son had no trouble raising his hand and letting his teacher know his parents did not want him hearing Os speech to the kids, when our school pulled a fast one and aired it the following day, (I had pulled him that day) but I can see where you dont want the man hassling the kids. and make no mistake Obama is the man. with no functional economic plan.

230 239
you could not be more wrong and may I suggest we out aside our CDS/BDS to take back Congress? lets argue about HRC in 16 :0)

231
Ace, as I see it, the left will always have an advantage in this area. The left believes that politics is the highest, most important realm of human activity. We conservatives, on the other hand, view politics as a necessary evil, like colonoscopies or prostate exams. So, of course, they will pour energy and resources into politics in a way that we won't match.

This is an inevitable side effect of the differences in our political philosophies. I think that we'll need to regard political activity in the same way that we regard military training: something necessary, and something that must be done constantly, to keep our enemies from overwhelming us.

232

"Obam the Sham and the Pharaohs" still has a vast
audience.  They're wavering........but Steele is like
seaweed on fishing line.  It DON'T HELP!

 

 

 

233 More money equals more annoying TV ads, robo-calls and clutter in the mailbox.  I've never voted for anybody because I saw more of their lying puss on the boob tube. 

The negative ads can ad up, though.  The one I would run would say "She / He voted for this shit!"

234 241 I attended Bill Clinton's inauguration my junior year of high school, and I voted for him my first election. I don't have "CDS." I'm sick of Democrats and especially the Clintons now. "Byrd was in the Klan, so he could get elected." They make me wanna puke now.

235

"Don't get cocky."

Are you trying to abolish prostitution? If so, I'm

witcha.

236 Personally I want the Dems to retain a bare majority until 2012.

237 Meh.

There is no there, there in Belize.

Take it from someone who barely made a living as a dive-master in Honduras in the '90's.

First question to you is, "Whatchoo gonna drink, Mon?"

Island life can be pretty interesting and pleasant but it's a fucking dessert when it comes to potable water!

Gets way more interesting when Malaria is an issue and forced and rapid dehydration is a fact of life.

238 Chile, baby!

That's where I'm gonna relocate to.

239 Singapore. Taiwan. Mauritius.

240
It's also about messaging. 
come on Republicans - ditch the old lines - there are so many ways to beat the democrats.

Corruption
Expanding Welfare State
Spending
Waste
Barney Frank.
Corruption
nazi pelosi

241 Robert Heinlein made this point in his politics book (Take Back Your Government, written in 1946 after 12 years of heavy political activism in California, published in 1992). Heinlein was a Democrat then, but his advice was entirely non-partisan (including the insistence that political activists must be partisan).

This was his mantra: "The votes are in the precincts."

The problem is that a real doorbell-ringing, precinct-walking organization has to be an organization. The people in it have to agree on a common platform, a common slate of candidates, and and then support them all, whether or not their particular favorites are included.

I don't think any such organizations exist any more. I've lived in Chicago for 35 years, and no Democrat has ever rung my doorbell.

There are reports of Democrats running GOTV operations - in Wisconsin, supposedly bringing entire busloads of, ahem, "minority"voters to polling places, many not registered and demanding instant registration and ballots.

The Democrats have some manpower to run such operations: union staff, ACORNoids, government employees. The Democrats have lost a lot of their ability to buy election labor with patronage jobs, and volunteers won't submit to such discipline any more. Everybody wants to be an independent.

It would be interesting to survey a sample of 100,000 voters and determine how they got to the polls (or how they voted by mail), and if possible correlate with how they voted.

Another problem is the failure of the party regulars to do "due diligence" on prospective candidates and weed out the trash, either by persuading them not to run, or by getting a message to the voters. They don't, which is why Alvin Greene won in South Carolina. The Dems in Illinois had to dump their Lieutenant Governor candidate after the primary. And Bean will probably be re-elected because Joe Walsh is a wannabe with no organization and no money, who won a six-way primary. (He's being sued by ex-staff for back wages.) At least two of other candidates would be a slam-dunk to win the district.

There's got to be a better way to do this,

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