1 Furst?

2 Have the feeling the victory party won't include strippers.

3 The victory party won't include the Group of 88 either.

4 2 Have the feeling the victory party won't include strippers.

Indeed.

Congratulations, Duke!  Savor your victory, and don't let the leftist bastards get you down.

5
The Duke administration is still the same bunch of leftist shit heels.

6 I still feel rape-raped.

7 Good for them.

8 The MFM loves to write stories with good guys and bad guys.  In this story, the MFM themselves are the bad guys.  They won't write that story.

9

The facts are right but the narrative is wrong.  

10 about the triumph of will over adversity?

Crypto-fascist Vlaams Belaanger! Banned.

11 Good for the Duke Lacrosse team. They got a royal screwjob almost on a par with Richard Jewell. Of course, being in the MSM means never saying jackshit when you screw up, so they'll never be totally "cleared". Anyway, It's been a great year to be a Blue Devil fan. P.S. "...triumph of will..." ? Nazi!!!

12 Down the Memory Hole.

13 In celebration, let's all take them to McDonald's.

14

embarrassed the left

You can't embarrass Sociopaths! I think the proper term should be "exposed the left."

 

 

15 Because of this travesty, I have a feeling there a lot more recent Duke grads that have shunned their PC indoctrination education earlier than they would have. Welcome to our side! And congrats to the lacrosse team.

16

Ok so they are not rapists, but tell me most of these boys probably aren't overprivileged assholes.  They have money, athletic ability, and they likely have not been denied much in their lives.  Forgive me if I don't teach my son about the 2010 Duke Lacross team.

With that said, I want to see if they get invited to the White House.  

17

Question....

Are any of the other areas of the country having an explosion of LAX leagues?  Here in the greater Seattle area, I never ever saw a game, never knew of 1 person who played until less than a year ago and now I see games everywhere.

Just wondering if it is a local thing or not.

18

"Ok so they are not rapists, but tell me most of these boys probably aren't overprivileged assholes.  They have money, athletic ability, and they likely have not been denied much in their lives.  Forgive me if I don't teach my son about the 2010 Duke Lacross team."

Oh, waahhhh!  Some people are more athletic than I am!  Some people have more money than I do!  Some people might have more stuff than I have!  Those people SUCK!  Wahhhhhhhhhh!

19 I imagine this college lacrosse championship will get about as much as any other. i.e. none. It's college lacrosse.

20 California Red, first they came for the over privileged assholes...and you didn't object because you are a jealous twit. That sort of anti-successful white male bashing led to the injustice perpetrated by Nifong.

21

YAAAAY!!! for them.  So libs can suck it!!!

#14 - you got that right - sociopaths exposed 

22 If I could post a pic of that crazy winger who carved a 'B' in her face right now, I totally would.

23 Ok so they are not rapists, but tell me most of these boys probably aren't overprivileged assholes.

So it's okay to destroy their lives?  Because, see, I never got that memo.

24 Oh, waahhhh!  Some people are more athletic than I am!  Some people have more money than I do!  Some people might have more stuff than I have!  Those people SUCK!  Wahhhhhhhhhh!

Excellent post. My sentiments exactly.

25 Now...see..... this is what I'm talkin 'bout.. a young girl gets raped by rich stupidly acting white people and then there's nothing...and let me be perfectly clear, ..nothing but lame uh jokes...now, if there's an oily hole that's in need of pluggin anywhere you would be sure to make fun of the Duke Lacrosse players running to fill that in...but no...you're tryin to tie them white kids as being not guilty of rape rape..but you uh know that uh I know that you know they did it...

So...in conclusion I will not tolerate....NOT..TOL. ER. ATE. .any more jokes about raping strippers...

26 Ok so they are not rapists, but tell me most of these boys probably aren't overprivileged assholes.

Come closer, my child.

27 Good for them.

28
He said he wanted to see the Duke students prosecuted whether they were guilty of not. "It would be justice for things that happened in the past,"

And there you have it,  morons and 'ettes- the idiocy of the left expressed in one simple sentence. 

29

Posted by: California Red at June 01, 2010 06:43 PM (iJTcm)

Overpriviledged assholes? Because they're good at sports?

Sounds like someone is still upset about the atomic wedgie they got in the high school hallway.

 

30 I think we can all be happy that at least the little nig nog didn't get knocked up.

31 Duke lacrosse?

Never heard of it.

32 So they were clever enough not to be guilty of an actual rape, but don't you think in a larger sense the Duke Lacrosse team raped (and I mean "rape-rape" here) all of us?

33
OT (?):  NOW Wee Wee says he has time to meet with Governor of Az.  What a spineless turd, at least stick with a lie through one newscycle.  Couldn't even take the heat a day on this one.

34 19 I imagine this college lacrosse championship will get about as much as any other. i.e. none. It's college lacrosse.

Posted by: seattle slough at June 01, 2010 06:48 PM (JRGA6)

Except they had garnered national headlines.  So they weren't just a college lacrosse team.  They were a national story.  But you need to twist to ignore reality to believe in your leftist worldview of how things are usually done. 

35 As we speak Vice President Biden is formulating a Blue Ribbon Panel to investigate this victory with explicit instructions to report back to me in 458392 days with a firm course on how to progress from here.

Know that this administration will not rest until the crimes committed are punished and if there aren't crimes then we will with due diligence make every effort to change the laws so that they will be punished.

No Rest

til Brooklyn

 

36

Ok so they are not rapists, but tell me most of these boys probably aren't overprivileged assholes.  They have money, athletic ability, and they likely have not been denied much in their lives.  

Posted by: California Red at June 01, 2010 06:43 PM (iJTcm)

Isn't there some nice commie blog where you can express your imbecile class resentments to people who will appreciate them?

37 I guess it's a sport played primarily in the Northeast . The fact that it's played in N.C. at all is aberrant . We play football , basketball , and baseball down heah' . Anything beyond those three is communist . Hence it's inclusion at Duke .
 Well , rugby is pretty cool. Any sport that has New Zealanders screaming insults  and making throat cutting gestures  rates some serious respect .
Google New Zealand haka .

38

#17 Andrewsdad.

We started a lax club in 1962 at Michigan State University.  The only men's laxers in the state--not sure about the women's version.

There are now more than ninety high school programs. Many, if not most, colleges have the sport.

We had more people watching us practice than watching varsity baseball games.

I played for two years and was only in the hospital a week.  Great game.

39

Posted by: AndrewsDad at June 01, 2010 06:44 PM (C2//T)

 

It's relatively new here in Seattle.  I played on my high school lacrosse team in PA, and loved it.  Teh best game evah!  I couldn't believe it when I got here in the 1988, and it (and field hockey) were nowhere to be seen (although field hockey sucks compared to lacrosse).  Now, it's quite popular.  Lk. Washington H.S. fielded their first team this year, although schools like Lakeside and Mercer Island have had it for years now.  It is definitely gaining popularity here in the PNW, and Seattle's professional LAX team looks like it's pretty good.  An awesome game to play and fun to watch. 

40 This in not the feel good story you think it is.  The season of the false rape charges was substantially already played and when canceled it was canceled by the Duke administration.  So the players how hired a stripper for a party were essentially rewarded by being able to play an extra season above what the rest of their opponents were able to do.  In other words they benefited by being able to add an additional recruiting class to their team and play 5 instead of 4 years.  So the school was rewarded for the mess they made of the stripper party year by making a stronger team which won the national championship.  Way to reward Duke, which handled the whole affair horribly.

41 Liberalism as a pathology thought experiment number 8, "all crimes are forgivable except for those I imagine my opponents committing"...see for example, Duke Lacrosse (rich white asshole), Israel (jooos), America (everything to everyone). 20 million dead Russians cry out for recognition and are ignored (the right crime committed by the preferred group).

42

We started a lax club in 1962 at Michigan State University.  The only men's laxers in the state--not sure about the women's version.

Posted by: Richard Aubrey at June 01, 2010 06:59 PM (sEHB+)

And when you retire, you're an ex-laxer.

43 Oh, and why wasn't Crystal Magnum ever prosecuted for an hate crime?  She totally skated off without any kind of criminal justice for those boys on the Duke LAX team.  An absolute travesty of injustice.

44 Seriously, Ace?  Obama adds James Cameron to his super-dooper fix it team and nothing out of you?  I have been refreshing this page for the last couple hours looking for some grade A ass whooping on this.  This is a topic made for the Ace of Spades HQ and the morons who dwell here.

45 "...the Duke Lacrosse Men embarrassed the left."

DAMNED RACISTS!

46 Some one PLEASE clean up aisle 30.

47

Cicero.

Yeah, and that literally. 

48 Umm.  Did Al Sharpton ever apologize for the Tawana Brawley incident?  (Wonder whatever happened to that ho.  Probably spawned a half-dozen little Tawanas.)

49 Sooo, how is "The One" going to like having the NCAA Lacrosse Champs to the White House?

Didn't he dis Duke. 

The "raped" Crystal Gale is STILL in jail for attempted murder, arson, etc. 

God works in funny ways, I heard it from a little birdy that the Duke Three each got TWELVE Million dollars from Duke.

More is still to come. 

The city of Durham is going to pay and pay and pay.  Raise the property tax on you brothers, cause you going to have to pay and pay and pay!

Solidarity baby!

Broadhead, the Duke president, STILL SUCKS!

50 It's still real to me, dammit!!!

51 43 Oh, and why wasn't Crystal Magnum ever prosecuted for an hate crime?  She totally skated off without any kind of criminal justice for those boys on the Duke LAX team.  An absolute travesty of injustice.

Posted by: runningrn at June 01, 2010 07:00 PM (CfmlF)

Duh, because they were white.  You can't commit a hate crime against white people even if you shout "honkie" and "cracker" the entire time you do it.

52

I imagine this college lacrosse championship will get about as much as any other. i.e. none. It's college lacrosse.

 

Entire college teams have not been falsely accused of gang rape.  This is an huge story, about overcoming false accusations and the loss of a great coach as well as some really good players--all over a media enabled PC, racist lie.

53 Posted by: California Red at June 01, 2010 06:43 PM (iJTcm)     Its attitudes like yours that made it so easy for the false accusations to stick...since everybody that DIDN'T think those boys raped that stripper was racist.   Fuck off, asshole.        

54

Duh, because they were white.  You can't commit a hate crime against white people even if you shout "honkie" and "cracker" the entire time you do it.

 

I know.  That was a rhetorical question. 

55

Ok so they are not rapists, but tell me most of these boys probably aren't overprivileged assholes.  They have money, athletic ability, and they likely have not been denied much in their lives.  Forgive me if I don't teach my son about the 2010 Duke Lacross team.

With that said, I want to see if they get invited to the White House.  

 

 

Save the your bitterness for the HuffPo, you poor ass insignificant shrimp.

 

 

56

I'll be getting drunk for the next 4 hours at the Hyatt inside/on top of DFW.

Just in case any of you assholes needed to know.

London kicked ass; I had way too little time there.

57

#16 Wrong, you bought the left's stereotype of those young men and it is all wrong.

They were not all wealthy.  One player's NYC firefighter father traveled to Durham with the deed to their home in case he needed it for bail.

One of the falsely accused really was a "choir boy" - goody two shoes type.

 

58 O/T  How does Major Garrett speak to Sheppy and keep a straight face?

59 I wonder how Jesse Jackson is paying off that loan at NCCU?

He be the new pimp?

60 Eric, I can't follow the logic.  So...3 guys were accused, falsely, of rape; the justice system of NC was, for a substantial time, wrecked; 88 professors and assorted other detritus committed hate crimes for which they were never called to account; lives and reputations were destroyed...and you're bitching about what?  A perceived case of red-shirting?  Is that your claim?

61 I predict this championship will get as much press as, oh I don't know, the Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom murders.

62

#30 - you're completely repugnant.  Where's the tea party "infiltrator" sign?

Unless you were being sarcastic, in which case I think you failed.

63

With that said, I want to see if they get invited to the White House.  

Posted by: California Red at June 01, 2010 06:43 PM (iJTcm)

 

 

 

Hey, Dumbass, it just happened a couple days ago.  Stupid fkn jackass doesn't even keep up with current events.

64 Sock change!

65

I know.  That was a rhetorical question. 

Posted by: runningrn at June 01, 2010 07:06 PM (CfmlF)

I know.  The ridiculousness of hate crime legislation pisses me off though

66

Oops I think that was the basketball team.

 

My bad.  Sorry Red. But you're still a hateful fucker, even if I was wrong on that one.

67 59 O/T  How does Major Garrett speak to Sheppy and keep a straight face?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 01, 2010 07:07 PM


Same way Krauthammer sits on the same panel with Juan Williams and doesn't slap him upside the head, especially tonight when they discussed Israel.

68

Jesse Jackson gave the accuser a College Scholorship. My understanding of the woman is, she would make a good fit for Yale or Havard, she would fit right in with the rich kid Psyco's. Hell she may even end up as one of our next Presidents.....If the left and the media had their way they would see to it.

It's Bazarro World turned up to Eleven! If we are not careful we gonna have Democrats in control of everything, and a President named Barack Hussein Obama.

Of Course, Sharpton and Jackson never apologized to the Duke Lacross Team...And why would they....nobody in the media is going to hold their feet to the fire.

Two Words...Tuwana Brawley!

69 30 I think we can all be happy that at least the little nig nog didn't get knocked up.

Well she had sperm from FIVE different men in her vagina and ANUS, none of them were from Duke.

I guess we can be happy that this whore didn't conceive.

You know what you get if you conceive after anus sex?

A lawyer.

70

Oh, and not to mention the huge prosecutorial misconduct (from the "Sexual assault Nurse Examiner's testimony to the freaking DA, who was in an heated battle for re-election). 

The other thing about this scandal, I think it made some smart, affluent white kids think twice about attending Duke, plus I'm sure it really dinged the contributions that alumni gave to the school.  I wonder if they're still feeling the effects of that.

71
Crystal Gail Mangum was seen cheering from the sidelines, hoping for an invitation to the team victory party.

72 Yeah...probably a good idea not to cut and paste that.....

73

My soon to be step son just finished his first year playing for a Woodinville area team and I am told he is exceptionally good.  Plays the first line at middie and takes the face offs.  I am told that is good, I have no idea.  Just seems like excessive running to me.  Also he is being asked to play in elite tournies this summer so he must not suck.  The problem is he is also a very talented soccer player so will be interesting to see what he decides to do going forward.

Also, me 6 year old nephew plays and his 2 year old brother carries around a "stix" on a regular basis.  I hope my sister upped her home owners insurance.

74

Look at the circumstances of the rape allegation.  I know it is college, but is that how young men should behave.   The girls gone wild, binge drinking, college porno scene is so assanine to me that I have no little sympathy for the boys that brought the trouble on themselves. 

The Duke administration and athletic department knew that this team had issues with wildness.  The party was at the capatains house. 

I am not jealous or resentful of the players.  I do not pit one class against the other.  I think the media did a hit job on these guys and in truth it could have been my son who made a bad decision to get drunk and party with strippers.  Nifong, Sharpton, and the Media are the enemy, but that doesn't mean these guys have to be my heros.         

75 63

#30 - you're completely repugnant.  Where's the tea party "infiltrator" sign?

Unless you were being sarcastic, in which case I think you failed.

Posted by: Dianne at June 01, 2010 07:08 PM (qD60T)

Dianne, its all in the sockpuppet on #30  Ms. Sanger is the founder of Planned Parenthood, who's admitted goal of aborting "unwanted children" was to control the population of black.

76 people.

77 Obama adds James Cameron to his super-dooper fix it team and nothing out of you? 
Posted by: tinkerbella

Hey babe, someone's gotta cover Al Gore's divorce because no other news outlet is covering it. Ok?

And now for another Will Forks update!!!Yea!

78 Same way Krauthammer sits on the same panel with Juan Williams and doesn't slap him upside the head, especially tonight when they discussed Israel.


I'll bet that Juan surreptitiously locks the rear wheels on the Kraut's wheelchair before going on air. Gives him a couple of seconds reaction time.

79 Well yes, thank God this abhorrent person did not conceive. 

80 #71

The other thing about this scandal, I think it made some smart, affluent white kids think twice about attending Duke, plus I'm sure it really dinged the contributions that alumni gave to the school.  I wonder if they're still feeling the effects of that.

Surprisingly it has not affected admissions, maybe the NCAA BB championship helped that.  Duke had the largest number of applications in it's history. Son is on admissions advisory board. 

Donation ARE down.
 
Broadhead needs to go. 

The alums have a LONG memory.  It's a small school.

He doesn't fit, but the quiet search has not come up with a replacement,

YET!

81

 I have no little sympathy for the boys that brought the trouble on themselves. 

[snip]

in truth it could have been my son who made a bad decision to get drunk and party with strippers. 

Well, then let's all hope your son gets falsely accused of rape so we can all have "little sympathy" for him.

 

 

82 Why anyone but a bleeding heart libtard would pay to have their kids attend Duke after the disgusting smear job the faculty colluded in is beyond me.  Fuck 'em, including the Lacrosse team.  They all should have left after it happened.  If they're still attending, then they're OK with what happened.  The only way to change the idiot-faculty's minds is through the checkbook.

83

 but that doesn't mean these guys have to be my heros.         

Doesn't mean  you need to act like you had wished they had been guilty of something so "these rich boys would get what they deserved."  Because that's how your post reads.

84 Oh - ok buzzion - I figured I must be missing something. 

85
I know it is college, but is that how young men should behave. 

Posted by: California Red at June 01, 2010 07:15 PM (iJTcm)

Absolutely not, and the Lamda Lamda Lamda fraternity always has openings for young men who don't frequent strip clubs or go on pantie raids.

86 Um, sure Al Gore broke up the relationship upon which Love Story was conceived and sure the god-king is fufilling the sarcastic vision of SouthPark by bringing in Hollywood to help think out a solution to a huge crisis. But don't forget about the Tessellation!1!!1!!!!

87 Look at the circumstances of the rape allegation.  I know it is college, but is that how young men should behave.   The girls gone wild, binge drinking, college porno scene is so assanine to me that I have no little sympathy for the boys that brought the trouble on themselves.
California Red at June 01, 2010 07:15 PM (iJTcm)

They brought the trouble on themselves?  Even the boy who was out of town at the time of the party?  Really? 

Because his teammates threw a party with strippers, which he did NOT attend, he deserved to be branded a rapist, have his face on the cover of major news magazines, have his grades lowered, be threatened by teachers, students, and outside anti-white hate groups?  Really?

That's some weapons-grade lack of sympathy you've got working there.

88

Posted by: Fish at June 01, 2010 07:23 PM (v1gw3)

Pan down I want bush.

89 Hey, OJ was innocent too, racists!

90

"Look at the circumstances of the rape allegation.  I know it is college, but is that how young men should behave.   The girls gone wild, binge drinking, college porno scene is so assanine to me that I have no little sympathy for the boys that brought the trouble on themselves. 

The Duke administration and athletic department knew that this team had issues with wildness.  The party was at the capatains house. "

IOW, the Duke lacrosse players were wearing miniskirts and hooker heels, is that about it?

91 but that doesn't mean these guys have to be my heros.         

Posted by: California Red at June 01, 2010 07:15 PM (iJTcm)

They should be, wrongly accused and jailed. 

The accuser convicted of crimes. 

The DA disbarred, and bankrupt and convicted of perjury.

You clearly have no children.  No one who has kids would ever not think these boys are heroes.

What, you think be falsely accused of rape and having your picture on Newsweek is for the weak at heart?

They are Heroes of the PC WAR.

92 For those who don't get #30, I think the intent is to lampoon Margaret Sanger, racist founder of Planned Parenthood, and not just being a Moby.

93

@75

I think the media did a hit job on these guys and in truth it could have been my son who made a bad decision to get drunk and party with strippers.

Duder....I'm not sure how old you are, but your son partying and getting drunk with strippers is not a bad decision. Not sure if you've ever had strippers over for entertainment, but it is no different than going to a football game and drooling over the chearleaders. It's eye candy! Typically, you can't touch, and most bring BodyGaurds with them to the house parties to enforce that rule. The Dancers can touch you if you want, but they control the situation.

If we are going to go down the road of making decisions on whats ethical for college athletes to do in their free-time then we gotta make decisions on whats ethical for you to do in your free-time.

 

 

94
After the DA had Crystal Gain Mangum's blood tested, she was positive for a special brand of sensimilla called California Red.

95 Donation ARE down.
 
Broadhead needs to go. 

The alums have a LONG memory.  It's a small school.

He doesn't fit, but the quiet search has not come up with a replacement,

YET!

Posted by: Kemp at June 01, 2010 07:20 PM (2+9Yx)

College and university presidents are some of the lowest people in the world; I've often said that they could be effectively replaced by high-priced hookers because the skillsets are almost identical and I'd much rather be in the presence of a hawt babe than a dweeby dork.  Even by that standard Brodhead is a complete embarrassment and every day they spend not actively looking to dump him will only damage the school's bottom line.

96 Damn sock.

97

Duke beat Notre Dame in lacrosse.

Douchebag on douchebag douchebaggery.

*sung to the tune of Beethoven's Fifth*

Nobody cares!

Nobody cares!

Nobody cares! Nobody cares!

 

98

The word and urban dictionary definition of nig nog is ugly.

99 Wow, California Red, grow some empathy. By that standard, all men should expect to have their lives ruined at any moment. On one hand, the PC police are throwing open, free sex in everykid's face and on the other hand, they're ready to send them all to jail for the same thing.

100 #93

Hmmm good point, read the sock before you act!

101

@4: "Congratulations, Duke!  Savor your victory, and don't let the leftist bastards get you down"

Um, Duke students are leftist bastards.

102 >>>I am not jealous or resentful of the players. yes you are. >>> I do not pit one class against the other. I think the media did a hit job on these guys and in truth it could have been my son who made a bad decision to get drunk and party with strippers. Nifong, Sharpton, and the Media are the enemy, but that doesn't mean these guys have to be my heros You are a practitioner of what I call the morality of vindictiveness. You believe that it is right and just that people who stray outside your personal moral code be punished by God, or, if necessary, then God acting through the Durham DA. You approve of his actions, at heart, because he achieves your goal of punishment of the wicked and iniquitous. Doesn't matter to you that hiring a stripper or drinking isn't illegal; you think they ought to be, so you can't help but feel a little satisfaction when these boys are nearly imprisoned for life over a false rape charge. Because if a "real" legal code based on proper morality existed, they'd have gotten a few years anyway just for being Bad Boys.

103
I feel the smack-down hand of either Carl Rove or Ace in lambasting California Red, but primarily Ace the Inquisitor General.

104 I think this line of thinking starts with the precept that God's Code (as it is envisioned) isn't just about morality, it's about pragmatic advice about avoiding trouble. Thus a Narrative is established -- God's Code exists not for moral cleanliness but primarily for physical cleanliness too. For this Narrative to hold, there must be practical, real-world consequences due to straying from God's Code. Thus, when the Wicked get off doing wicked things without out any tangible, physical harm to themselves, it undermines the Narrative, and suggests it's not quite true that the Wicked will be punished in *this* world. And, therefore, it's not such a bad thing that Nifong put these guys through holy hell for two years; at least the Narrative of moral punishment *in this world* is furthered.

105

Um, Duke students are leftist bastards.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at June 01, 2010 07:32 PM (kmEfr)

Bull fucking shit on that. 

60% are in Frats.  It's the professors that are commies,  trust me on this after paying for 4 years and now 2 more (MBA school), I have a little knowledge of the student body.

They are pretty damn conservative, except for the Yankee dikes.

They date at UNC.

106 Yup, this whole incident ripped the "fair and objective" mask off the media.  It revealed the MFM for the racist, class warfare mongering institution that it is.  It was basically the harbinger of things to come--how they would cover our "post-racial" President, The Giver of All Things.  My hatred of the media and their liberal bias crystsalized during this story.

107

Ok.  I relent.  These boys acted like normal college age boys and the media and DA ruined their lives.  I hope the championship erases some of that pain and a fat lawsuit takes care of the rest. 

My reaction focused on my preception that atheletes are not often good role models because of their abundant fortune and fame.  Just because you are good with a ball doesn't make you a good person.  And also I hate to praise Duke because I think the Duke administration failed to hold the atheletes to a higher standard of conduct (Coach), and then failed to protect them when the scandal broke (Admin + Faculty). 

 

108 Hey, C-red, there are plenty of violent, asshole athletes who are functionally little more than high-school drop outs. But these particular kids aren't in the NFL/NBA crime cycle circuit. And, I am old fashioned in thinking that achievement is an American dream. And victimization will shortcircuit that dream. So, your characterization offended.

109

@106: "60% are in Frats.  It's the professors that are commies,  trust me on this after paying for 4 years and now 2 more (MBA school), I have a little knowledge of the student body."

Bully for you.  Some of us here are also from NC, and have more than a passing familiarity with the school.  Can you find conservatives there? Sure.  Awful lot of Commies, too.

Fraternities aren't inherently conservative, either.  I was in one, at a Southern university, and while some chapters tended to be pretty conservative (KA most notably), many others were had no shortage of lefties.

110 A couple of points of clarification, if I may.  I am a Raleigh/Durham resident (part of the year), a former Lacrosse player (in H.S. and a bit in college), spent two yrs. at West Point, and transfered to Duke.  I followed this case quite closely, for a lot of reasons.

One point not raised in the original post is that NC Central is one of those euphemistically described "historically African-American" institutions.  It's not so much class envy (though a bit of that, I'm sure) but a lot more "historically African American resentment" that motivated a lot of those student comments.

It was actually hilarious watching student interviews, where local TV juxtaposed NC Central students and Duke kids.  It wouldn't have been a more telling comparison if Mr T were to face off against William F. Buckley.

 That Crystal Magnum (which is most assuredly a stripper name) was a member of the student body speaks volumes as well.  I have a strong suspicion that NC Central is an institution which in Durham courtrooms is proposed as an alternative to jail, just as the Marine Corps was in another age.

Also, am I the only one who remembers the ubiquitous Jesse Jackson arriving in Durham, and making a solemn vow to pay for young Crystal's college education whether she was telling the truth or not? 

After malicious prosecutor Mike Nifong was disbarred I wrote two letters.  One was to the most Rev. Jackson to inquire as to the status of his tuition disbursements on behalf of Ms. Magnum (to which I naturally received no response).  The other was to the Duke director of alumni giving, in which I mentioned that I, as a person not-without-means, married, with no children, had always thought I would mention the university in my will.  (I had been a scholarship kid).  Of course I went on to say that after the disgraceful conduct of the faculty and the university administration in the Lax/Magnum affair,  Duke would never see a nickel from me.

Finally, allow me to note that such a position in no way prevents me from fully enjoying yet another National Championship, whether in Basketball or Lacrosse.

111 A higher standard of conduct than...the other students?  Michael Vick?  T.O.?

112 #108

As the only Dukie on the blog, I accept your apology. You have no idea how the school abandoned these boys.  They will pay for their sins.  They should all be fired.

This line is SOOO true!

then failed to protect them when the scandal broke (Admin + Faculty). 

113 california red, it's not that I believe that athletes are good role models, so much as it is that the jocksniffer sportswriters are looking for any excuse to deify an athlete as a superior human for overcoming adversity, but are not doing so here (and won't do so here). It's not enough to a jocksniffer that these guys are physically talented; they always have to read lessons about character into it. And, frankly, if you're doing this anyway (which they are), then it strikes me that few other *teams* have suffered so much and come back to win a major championship.

114

Also, am I the only one who remembers the ubiquitous Jesse Jackson arriving in Durham, and making a solemn vow to pay for young Crystal's college education whether she was telling the truth or not? 

No

115 105 I think this line of thinking starts with the precept that God's Code (as it is envisioned) isn't just about morality, it's about pragmatic advice about avoiding trouble. Thus a Narrative is established -- God's Code exists not for moral cleanliness but primarily for physical cleanliness too.

For this Narrative to hold, there must be practical, real-world consequences due to straying from God's Code.

Thus, when the Wicked get off doing wicked things without out any tangible, physical harm to themselves, it undermines the Narrative, and suggests it's not quite true that the Wicked will be punished in *this* world.

And, therefore, it's not such a bad thing that Nifong put these guys through holy hell for two years; at least the Narrative of moral punishment *in this world* is furthered.

Posted by: ace at June 01, 2010 07:38 PM (66DVY)

and so let us pray to our Savior Dennis Hopper.

116 Remember too, that the lab which ran the DNA tests was in collusion with Nifong.  The lengthy report released to the defense attorneys contained exculpatory evidence that the lab did not inform the defense about.  A young lawyer for the defense (his name escapes me now), called some DNA experts that he knew (I think one was in the FBI) because as he combed through the many pages, something didn't seem right, but he didn't have the science background to determine what that was.  His friend told him to get a book about DNA from Amazon, which he did.  By reading that book, and combing through the evidence, he was able to determine that the numerous sperm samples found in and around Crystal did not match any of the boys' DNA.  The lab had notified the prosecution of this evidence, and Nifong sat on it, hoping they wouldn't figure it out.  He also requested the owner of the lab (who had been directed a lot of business by Nifong) to keep it under his hat, so to speak.  There was so much prosecutorial/police misconduct as well as malfeasance committed by the school, these boys really are heros because they withstood all this plus direct threats from Black Panthers in the courtroom when they were arraigned, and retribution from various Duke professors. 

117

 I think this line of thinking starts with the precept that God's Code (as it is envisioned) isn't just about morality, it's about pragmatic advice about avoiding trouble. Thus a Narrative is established -- God's Code exists not for moral cleanliness but primarily for physical cleanliness too.

For this Narrative to hold, there must be practical, real-world consequences due to straying from God's Code.

Thus, when the Wicked get off doing wicked things without out any tangible, physical harm to themselves, it undermines the Narrative, and suggests it's not quite true that the Wicked will be punished in *this* world.

And, therefore, it's not such a bad thing that Nifong put these guys through holy hell for two years; at least the Narrative of moral punishment *in this world* is furthered.

 

 

Thank you, Ace.  I couldn't have said it better myself.  Although, I've been watching you lately, and, correct me if I'm wrong, you're still drinking Valu-Rite, aren't you...........

118 anyone engaged in a fundamentally trivial, nonessential job -- sportswriting; theater criticism; movie criticism; tv criticism; criticism in general -- will jump at any chance available to elevate their trivial job into something about Larger Messages and Great Crusades. You don't really read too many firemen reading in "Bigger Messages" into their saving of kids from a fire. You know why? They don't need a bigger message. The message is big enough as it is. But critics are always looking to claim that whatever they're reviewing has a more important place in shaping our culture. I just saw a movie about a two-mom lesbian family reviewed as "charms you into a STATE OF ENLIGHTENMENT!" See that? It wasn't funny, or even a great movie; but it charms you into a STATE OF ENLIGHTENMENT. Jocksniffer sportswriters do this too. The sport itself is trivial. Fun, but trivial. Writing about the sport is even more trivial then. But let them drink a few cocktails before composing an article and they'll tell you how Mark Sanchez is the true expression of the Human Spirit writ large or some bullshit.

119

Also, am I the only one who remembers the ubiquitous Jesse Jackson arriving in Durham, and making a solemn vow to pay for young Crystal's college education whether she was telling the truth or not? 

 

Surprisingly, she did graduate last year.  I think her degree was in Speech Communications.  She also authored a book about her life with some wackadoodle black justice dude.

120 And by the way, Kemp, you're not the only Dukie.  It's you, me, and Dagny.

Hope your kid is doing well at FOO-qua.

121 I was in my son's dorm when one of his frat brothers said he was told by the school to get off campus, because the Black Panthers were coming. 

I listened to him talk on his cell phone with his dad telling the dad the school said had told him to get off campus and didn't he know where to go.

He was crying.

These bastards are going to PAY!

122

@108

My reaction focused on my preception that atheletes are not often good role models because of their abundant fortune and fame.  Just because you are good with a ball doesn't make you a good person.  And also I hate to praise Duke because I think the Duke administration failed to hold the atheletes to a higher standard of conduct (Coach), and then failed to protect them when the scandal broke (Admin + Faculty). 

Red,

You must get away from thinking that behavior must be controlled. This plays right into the hands of the left...That is what their entire agenda is focused on. Athletes do not choose to be role models...It has been the media and corporations that has attempted to make atheletes role models. The media and the Pysco left want to use them to Social Engineer the Culture, and corporations need them as Pitch Men.

The creation of False Idols is not the doing of Athletes, it is either your own weakness, or something that is being shoved down your throat. Once again, it is not up to the School to hold Athletes to a higher standard...That comes from within....based on ones upbringing and faith. 

If going to College and drunk with your buddies and some strippers is somehow a lower standard....then there is no way this country will remain free.

123 Part of this is the timeless wisdom of avoiding crazy women. And strippers are gonna be crazier than average.

My psychiatrist buddy says never date a woman under 25. Serious mental illness typically manifests before 25. If they haven't gone nuts by 25 they probably never will.

An old college girlfriend tried to get back in touch and re-ignite any spark. She called and I took her out to dinner. She was super hot in college and kind of a quirky, artsy chick. Years later,  she was still beautiful, but it was clear quirky was now full, if well-hidden, nutso. Turns out she had been in therapy and "recovered" memories of her dad abusing her as an infant -- along with the other neighborhood dads in some elaborate ritual. She publicly accused her Dad. So the guy gets his good name destroyed by his own daughter (who he was still trying to help get well.)

A better man might have tried to "fix" her, but I turned and ran. I figure one fake accusation leads to another and I didn't want to be in the line of fire.

Being a stripper is like one big flashing "crazy" sign. It's not fair and it's not right that the word of one crazy lady can ruin your life ... but it's a fact of the world we live in, so it's best to plan accordingly.

124 @119, damn, dude.   That and some the preceeding points were worth a post of their own.

125 #121

Sorry,  I over stated my point, I knew it was wrong when I typed it.
 
Thanks for axing about son, he is doing well and  has internship in DC with Booz, Allen.

Oh to be 27, single with cash in the pocket and in DC for the summer.

I want to come back as my kids!

126 Jimi at June 01, 2010 07:56 PM (fqxV7)


Jimi doesn't like...misunderstandings...

127 " (Wonder whatever happened to that ho. Probably spawned a half-dozen little Tawanas.) I married California.

128 #128

That not right.

129 It must have been a tough few years for those seniors, and I truly wish the whole thing had never happened, but let it be noted that the team hiring strippers beat that bastion of Catholic orthodoxy, Notre Dame.  Hooray!

I'm not sure how old you are, but your son partying and getting drunk with strippers is not a bad decision. Not sure if you've ever had strippers over for entertainment, but it is no different than going to a football game and drooling over the chearleaders. It's eye candy!

Sorry, but I take issue with this.  If you're going to a football game... you're gaining admission to a football game in addition to a live view of the sideline bimbos.  People who hire a stripper are doing so for the sole purpose of sexual titillation (I know, I know, I said "tit.")  Any kid of mine who hired a stripper or hung around a party like this is inviting a very long talk from MamaFilly and DaddyColt about attitudes towards women.  These abominably treated students were not "asking for it," but bringing a stripper into the mix was just gross behavior, even if false rape allegations didn't result from it.  It's sexual exploitation and it's not role worthy-model behavior.  (And yeah, whether they like it or not, at a school like Duke, the LAX players are role models.)  At my alma mater, all athletes and those in positions of student service are required to sign ethics pledges which specifically disallows crap like this.  You don't have to be a choir child, but to be found barfing up the contents of an entire case of Natty Lite night after night or hanging out in strip clubs puts scholarships in jeopardy.  I don't know if Duke or the NCAA enforces anything like this, but the issue of the stripper party should have been handled in-house (assuming there were guidelines about this kind of behavior), and then the administration should have backed the falsely accused to the hilt.  Which didn't happen, sickeningly, and which is why I hope these families get plenty o' pain and suffering compensation.

130

@123: "If going to College and drunk with your buddies and some strippers is somehow a lower standard....then there is no way this country will remain free."

If you are an NCAA athlete, messing around with strippers is dicey, especially if you have them at your residence.  Yes, the NCAA is *almost* as ineffective as the UN, but still, you never should be doing anything that might attract their attention and lead to an investigation of your school, even if it is pretty minor in the grand scheme of things.

 

131

NC resident here as well.

I don't get why so many here hate Duke because of lefty profs (of which I am sure there are many).  What schools have primarily conservative profs?

Outside of the service academies, Liberty (and a few other religious schools like Bob Jones) and the handful of schools that regularly advertise in the National Review, there aren't many.

I like Duke because coach K is a great coach and role model and because he punctured the mystique surrounding that medicore lefty Dean Smith (big Dem fundraiser).  Plus all those screaming lefties at Carolina hate the Dukies (sure, the Dukies can be elitist jerks, but unlike the Carolina kids they aren't using NC taxpayer money to support their liberalism).

132

Part of this is the timeless wisdom of avoiding crazy women. And strippers are gonna be crazier than average.

 

Oh come on.  I used to date strippers.......and yeah, now that I think about it, you're right.

133

@127

Jimi doesn't like........

Jimi feels good....Jimi's going to meet Elaine.....Jimi's tired....Jimi's gonna need more fuel.....Jimi says Goodnight!

134 >>> These abominably treated students were not "asking for it," but bringing a stripper into the mix was just gross behavior, even if false rape allegations didn't result from it. It's sexual exploitation and it's not role worthy-model behavior. (And yeah, whether they like it or not, at a school like Duke, the LAX players are role models.) Sentimentalist twaddle. Boils down to little except "I don't like strippers or sexual entertainment." You are entitled to that view, but I don't see what's wrong enough here to even bother writing about. Yes, gun to my head, I would say that hiring a stripper or watching porn is not the best use of one's time, whether it's from a productivity standpoint, a moral standpoint, or a build-the-intellect standpoint. And? It's true -- whether it's immoral in the traditional sense or just "immoral" because it represents less than the best, most productive use of time, sure, it's not a good activity. But... uh... who gives a rat? When did we all become so perfect we earned the right to become the down-time monitors of everyone else?

135

@131

 

Meh......just as long as there was no crime committed the NCAA doesn't have a say one way or the other. What's to stop the young Lads' from going to the strip club?

136 CavMedic-

Interesting fact:  Tarheel (UNC) resentment of Duke is HUUUGE in NC.  Duke grads who happen to still be around find themselves apologizing for their existence.
 
Second interesting fact: There are more NC graduates in North Carolina than there are Duke graduates in the WORLD.  (Duke is a surprisingly small school).

Third possibly interesting fact:  Coach K was the basketball coach at USMA while I was there (77-79).  He came to Duke a year after I did (my senior year).

137

I like Duke because coach K is a great coach and role model and because he punctured the mystique surrounding that medicore lefty Dean Smith (big Dem fundraiser).  Plus all those screaming lefties at Carolina hate the Dukies

 

They hate Coach K because "he wins too much"--it's not fair!  Plus I believe he's a former West Pointer.

138 (And yeah, whether they like it or not, at a school like Duke, the LAX players are role models.)

For whom?

139 #132

Right on!

Coach K is a Republican.  Williams, Smith and  all of UNC is a democrat hell hole.

Erskine  Bowles, UNC President, was President Clinton's Chief of Staff, his dad ran for governor as a dem, and LOST to the first Republican in 100 years, Jim Holshouer.

Isn't it interesting that UNC has a Skipper Bowles building, but  Holshouer building?

Wonder why?

140 For whom?

For characters in Tom Wolfe's I am Charlotte Simmons, for starters.

141 Hey don't forget that Duke had to beat UVa to make it to the finals. Now there is a lacrosse team that has/had a knucklehead on it.

142 Were these lacrosse players treated differently because of their race? Yes. If they were black and poor they'd probably be in prison right now. If there's one thing white people really shouldn't be complaining about its disproportionate punishment at the hands of the criminal justice system. Of the 254 Americans exonerated by DNA evidence, well over half were African Americans.

143 #142

From my sources, if that crazy fucker hadn't killed his girl friend, UVA would have won.

That dude was good and good and crazy.

144 140

...and lest we forget, UNC also features the Center for Poverty Studies, directed by the formerly Hon. John Edwards.

(To which he commutes from his 10,000 Sq/ft. home, built specifically for him to run the Center for Poverty Studies.  Two Americas indeed!)

145

Were these lacrosse players treated differently because of their race? Yes. If they were black and poor they'd probably be in prison right now.

 

SS, you're right.  The one black LAX player was exonerated immediately by Crystal Magnum.

146 (pssst...hey Kemp...good news.  Reliable sources in Winter Park FL tell me that Doc Rivers' kid is a lock to go to Duke.  He's the top rated guard coming out of high school.)

147

Hi Ace @114.  I didn't even know you knew I existed.  

I get that the story here is more than about boys behaving badly.  It is about a team that was skewered beyond belief by a corrupt district attorney and a complicit media.  A team that persevered to win a national championship beyond all odds.  It has the makings of Disney all over it.

And it is juicy that the press cannot even cover the story because they know what Duke victory symbolizes.

So yeah.  Duke won a national championship.  Maybe we can take away an important lesson from this still:  Teach your sons to stay away from booze and strippers. And don't do things that will get the police involved.        

148 >>> And don't do things that will get the police involved. Well... okay, sure. But what they did was yell at her for being drunk and a lame stripper as she yelled back at them, etc. This really doesn't seem to be inviting police involvement to me.

149 "143 Were these lacrosse players treated differently because of their race? Yes. If they were black and poor they'd probably be in prison right now. " You're singin' my song, baby. Fight the powah!

150

I could care less about Duke or Duke lacrosse players; I don't really give a rip about college boys getting drunk and ogling a stripper (seems pretty par for the course, if somewhat piggish -- but then I'm a woman, so I'm supposed to find those sorts of things piggish; it's part of the great male-female gender hoopdie).

The fact of the matter was that those particular young men were falsely accused by that particular young woman -- that the case involved a social justice trifecta of gender, race, and class and was thus blown out of all proportion by the press, professional baiters, and hand wringing libs was the only thing noteworthy: it was proof that the law and the truth, true justice even,  will always take the back seat to politically motivated pandering. It also proved that we will never, ever achieve any form of equality in its truest sense if such a condition is allowed to exist.

I'm glad they got off...it's unfortunate that they nearly didn't and that they were drug through a fair amount of filth which the media conveniently forgot to report appropriately on.

This cannot stand in a free and just society; this sort of thing destroys such a society.

151 These abominably treated students were not "asking for it," but bringing a stripper into the mix was just gross behavior, even if false rape allegations didn't result from it. It's sexual exploitation and it's not role worthy-model behavior. (And yeah, whether they like it or not, at a school like Duke, the LAX players are role models.)

>>Sentimentalist twaddle. Boils down to little except "I don't like strippers or sexual entertainment."

Over-simplistic, uniformed statement.  You have no idea what entertains me and my gentlemen callers, and if I'm such a Puritan, I guarantee you I wouldn't be hanging around this joint.  Stripping is debasing both for the practitioner and the purchaser, even if lap dances or touching isn't involved.  It removes the individuality from both parties, it dehumanizes the sex act, and the psychological implications can be devastating. There's a reason why parents don't looking lovingly down at a newborn daughter and say, "Oh, honey, perhaps she'll work the pole someday!"

You are entitled to that view, but I don't see what's wrong enough here to even bother writing about.

Ace, you know I luvya, but... perhaps you might want to ask your rather long reply about that.  If it's not worth writing about, why challenge the assertion?

But... uh... who gives a rat?

I do.  I'm not going to go sweeping into strip clubs up and down America in a grand quest to shut them all down.  But that doesn't mean I can't express a logical dismay about their existence, for they harm both men and women, and bring another perspective to a conversation which included a pro-stripper comment. 

Absolutely none of this means I want the state and federal government swooping in to regulate any of it.  Healthier attitudes toward sex from both genders is really the only answer, but much as I'd like to see a cultural shift in attitudes towards the Career of Stripperdom, it probably ain't going to happen. 

When did we all become so perfect we earned the right to become the down-time monitors of everyone else?

Ace, this very blog recently included a post which expressed shock and dismay over sexualized dancing  from seven-year-olds.  Of course there's a difference between adult strippers and that routine, but you didn't allow whatever personal failings you might have to speak out against what you found disturbing. So-- when did you become so perfect that you earned the right to become the down-time monitors of these children, their teachers, and their parents?

Kindly point the section of my comment in which I touted my own supposed perfection, and we'll have something to go on.  You are putting words in my mouth, and changing the subject to "Well... well... you're not so great!"  doesn't address the issue.  I don't have to be a saint to know what I would and would not like my college-aged child to engage in.  Because that's what we're talking about here:  Young adults, not fifty-year-old conventioneers on a business trip stopping in a Hooter's.

152 You know what this means?

The Duke Lacrosse sticker on my car's bumper for four years, will have to be replaced with a Championship sticker.

153 well basically it is not being covered because most Americans don't care a twit about Lacrosse.

154 >>>Stripping is debasing both for the practitioner and the purchaser It is indeed; it's supposed to be. Again I ask: So what? In the universe of vices it is a minor one. I don't like micromanaging someone's downtime. People may pursue a hundred different vices I don't approve of. What's it to me?

155

California Red,

First, you have your facts wrong about the Lacrosse players. You have repeated many of the lies told about them. (Specifically that they had a history of bad behavior.) You have continued the slander of a truly great and honorable coach.

And then you proclaim: 

"Maybe we can take away an important lesson from this still:  Teach your sons to stay away from booze and strippers. And don't do things that will get the police involved."

You miss the whole point. This was liberal political correctness run wild (in an attempt to send three innocent young men to prison for decades!).

Just as it was when my daughter and friends (all above the legal drinking age) went to a private party off campus and ended up being pilloried by the press and the Dean of her law school because the party was "racist." It was a Ghetto Fabulous themed party. No strippers, no underage drinking, no cops and yet there were demands for expulsion.

We can't teach our children to avoid every possible activity that the left might decide to attack them for. We could only send them all to monasteries.

156 (And yeah, whether they like it or not, at a school like Duke, the LAX players are role models.)

For whom?

Members of the student body.  Alums.  Fans. Future students.  I don't agree with the deification of athletes unless they also happen to be spectacular human beings, but come on, it's there.  You can't say that the vast majority of successful athletes in a school setting are social outcasts scrounging for dates--and that's not something I hold against them, because I think it's a safe assumption that most are talented people who have had to work hard to get where they are.  However, I do believe that with the power society grants unto elite athletes comes grave responsibility.  They might not want to be a role model, but they are one anyway.  It just seems to me that those who have social power should be aware that they're looked up to, and not act like douchebags (and I'm not necessarily referring to the falsely accused players here, just in general.)  If the in-group is kicking around the kids from the short bus, chances are good that the hangers-on and the middling-populars will too.

157 >>>Kindly point the section of my comment in which I touted my own supposed perfection, and we'll have something to go on. But you don't have to say so explicitly - the fact that you're knocking someone's minor vices suggests you have none (or believe yourself to have none), or else you'd be a hypocrite.

158 >>>Members of the student body. Alums. Fans. Future students. Am I to presume then that if the Dukies accused of rape were NOT athletes but instead normal students, just guys who shared a house together, this criticism would evaporate and you would allow they were permitted to do all that without criticism?

159

"If there's one thing white people really shouldn't be complaining about its disproportionate punishment at the hands of the criminal justice system. Of the 254 Americans exonerated by DNA evidence, well over half were African Americans."

Given the difference in crime rates, that is actually quite low....

160 143 Were these lacrosse players treated differently because of their race? Yes. If they were black and poor they'd probably be in prison right now.

If there's one thing white people really shouldn't be complaining about its disproportionate punishment at the hands of the criminal justice system. Of the 254 Americans exonerated by DNA evidence, well over half were African Americans.

Posted by: seattle slough at June 01, 2010 08:14 PM (JRGA6)

Oh please.  You're so full of shit.  Hell let's flip the script.  A white stripper accuses black lacrosse players of rape.  She has DNA samples of 5 different guys none of them being lacrosse players.  Half the faculty comes out blasting the lacrosse players, along with the college admins, essentially declaring them all guilty before a trial.  The DA hides as much evidence as possible.

You know what that result would be?  The stripper wouldn't be getting any sort of book deal like she apparently did. The DA would not only be fired but likely in jail.  There would be massive protest demanding those professors and admins resignations.  Lawsuits gallore.  And if those players had gone on to win the NCAA championship your pathetic liberal ass would be singing high praises about how these poor railroaded boys had to overcome a lying bitch, a racist faculty and DA on their way to greatness.  With your loving the national media spotlight they are getting for their insignificant minor sport.

161 >>>Stripping is debasing both for the practitioner and the purchaser

It is indeed; it's supposed to be.

Again I ask: So what?

And again, I ask: So the hell what what if I said so?  We're in agreement on the debasing nature of stripping.  Did I suggest that the whole enterprise should be banned? There was a comment which suggested that a male college student drinking with strippers is a good idea.  I disagreed, and I stated the reasons why.  I mentioned what I would do with my kid regarding the issue. 

I don't like micromanaging someone's downtime. People may pursue a hundred different vices I don't approve of. What's it to me?

Again, nowhere did I suggest that I, or anyone else, should "micromanage" downtime or vices.  I voiced disagreement with another poster.  I didn't call the vice squad. I do agree with ethics pledges, because as a teacher I've seen for myself that they encourage a higher standard of student behavior, which helps student athletes and club leaders focus more and develop a stronger moral fiber.  I think that benefits not only the student, but me, you, and everybody else as well-- and if a person doesn't like signing an ethics pledge, he or she can go to school elsewhere.  As long as a choice is allowed at the outset, I don't see a problem with it.

But now the topic turns from the pole and becomes a libertarian issue, where you and I do agree-- the government should not be telling us what we can and cannot do. Personally I think that private enterprises and local communities (deciding the issues in a traditionally democratic system) should have that right, and I think the extent of the right is what we're really debating here

162 I don't like micromanaging someone's downtime. People may pursue a hundred different vices I don't approve of. What's it to me?

*cough*  But the state must prevent the sales of Happy Meals. *cough*

163

Ace,

"In the universe of vices it is a minor one."

Does this mean you might have joined me in a vigorous defense of a young man in high school "mooning" incident?

As youthful indiscretions go, I deemed it not only minor but victimless and very funny.

The woman he "mooned" had it coming and I wasn't buying that she harmed by the shock. I had a Jeff Foxworthy "Mooning" song I almost sent her.

164

Filly,

Where I seriously disagree with you is generalizations, stereotypes such as:

"...those who have social power should be aware that they're looked up to, and not act like douchebags..."

As with any group of people, some of them are good and some of them are bad.

It's a judge individuals, not groups thing.

165 "The current seniors were freshmen and sophomores"

Um, are you sure about that...

It happened in March of 2006

05-06 - Freshman

06-07 - Sophomore

07-08 - Junior

08-09 - Senior

They should all be graduated by now...

166 >>>Members of the student body. Alums. Fans. Future students.

Am I to presume then that if the Dukies accused of rape were NOT athletes but instead normal students, just guys who shared a house together, this criticism would evaporate and you would allow they were permitted to do all that without criticism?

No-- and I think these presumptions are at the root of what you're taking issue with in my OP.  You're pulling my assertions to places I did not explicitly or implicitly state.  I'd still criticize this kind of behavior, because I agree with you that stripping probably isn't the best use of time.  I personally don't have a problem with honor codes for the entire student body, if that is what a private university so desires.  And student athletes are in a position in which members of the student body are not:  They wear a uniform and represent the school to the outside world, whether that fairly should be the case or not.  Unsavory behavior reflects on the entire organization. This is why I refuse to advertise with certain websites and companies, because I don't want my name and my work in association with some of their activities. Do I expect 20 year old intelligent healthy males to live spotless lives?  In no way.  But geez, it doesn't have to be Animal House.

167

yarrrr,

All the members of that team received an extra year of eligibility.

168 Were these lacrosse players treated differently because of their race? Yes. If they were black and poor they'd probably be in prison right now.

If there's one thing white people really shouldn't be complaining about its disproportionate punishment at the hands of the criminal justice system. Of the 254 Americans exonerated by DNA evidence, well over half were African Americans.

Posted by: seattle slough at June 01, 2010 08:14 PM (JRGA6)

You're such a simpleton fuck.  You say it's all about race but you pose the situation as black AND poor.  If you want to piss and moan about the results of your profession to be income based, then have at it.  But they were able to receive excellent representation because they were able to afford attorneys that could deflect all of Nifong's bullshit and destroy his case.  And receive a highly unusual admission from the state's attorney that they were innocent of all charges; ie they got off because nothing happened, not that they were able to beat the system and get away with something.

And don't create strawmen to correspond to your simple fucking fantasy.  This was a specific case where a bunch of guys got railroaded by an out of control district attorney seeing an opportunity to make a name for himself and have it work to his advantage.  It got high exposure because a bunch of MSMers who share your racial fetishes tried these guys in the media and made them infamous before they had their day in court.  I would think that would bother you on your lofty ethical plane but all you can do is complain about results based on race. 

Why do you hate innocent people?

169

But geez, it doesn't have to be Animal House.

TOGA! TOGA! TOGA!

170

Why do you hate innocent people?

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 01, 2010 09:39 PM (G9PIC)

 

Hmmmm, symmetry.  Well said Cpt.

171 Captain Hate.  Its simple.  Because he's a liberal and they are white.  Therefore they're not actually innocent.  They have 2,000 years of blood  of dark skinned people on their hands.

172

Way to reward Duke, which handled the whole affair horribly.

Except Duke isn't playing, Duke students are. Duke is putting out a lot of money because they acted "stupidly".

And I'm sick of this "they hired a stripper" so they are bad meme. Give me a fucking break.

173

Filly, I''m an old-school feminist and a lady, and I don't give a rat's whether persons of a legal age to do so hired two women who were allegedly professional strippers.  The transaction was tacky, sure, but completely legal.  And nothing interesting actually happened at this "infamous" party.  Less happened at it than happened in the movie Animal House's toga party.  But for the accuser's maleficence, and Nifong's willful evil, that pointless party would have been all but forgotten even by its participants.

The point is that Nifong loaded the legal dice.  The point is that the Gang of 88 abused their positions in order to commit hate crimes in text and speech against innocent people.  The point is (wait, "is" should probably be "are" by now) that the Duke administration failed in its duty to safeguard its students.  Stripper parties are beside the point.

174 I'm not arguing with any of that, Q&J, and took the administration to task in the original post.  I also never said that hiring strippers shouldn't be legal, and am not disputing that it was legal-- it's just something I personally wouldn't want to see my kids doing.  In any case, we totally agree:  (1) Duke treated these students horribly (2) hiring a stripper was probably not the classiest thing they could have done with a weekend (3) There's a special place in hell for Nifong.  All I'm saying here.  Sorry if I took the discussion off track-- that wasn't my intent.  My intent, as always, is to unearth more hobos. 

175 I hope California Red and seatle slough leave a bad taste in each other's mouth. IYKWIMAITYD.

176 They did it for him.

177 Posted by: seattle slough at June 01, 2010 08:14 PM (JRGA6)

"Robert Kerr6:00 amCongrats Duke.
Seeing Nifong lose his license to practice law, a few million.
Seeing the false accuser go to jail on a DV charge, a few years.
Winning a National Championship to show that those kind of people can be overcome, Priceless."

178 You'll note the usual suspects had nothing to say about a real rape (Katie Rouse) or the Frank Lombard atrocity.
Wrong narratives.

179 Actually, the 5th year seniors were freshmen in 2006 when the whole false charges, corrupt prosecutors, radical professors  "scandal" occurred.  The Duke senior class, like Max Quinzani, were actually seniors in high school seniors and were released from their commitment to Duke, but they chose to still come to the school.  I think it was a good ending to the "scandal".  The greatest irony is the the National championship will bring even more lacrosse players to Duke, much to the chagrin of the Group of 88 and all of their allies.

180 IP = 204.45.78.163

181 Stripping is debasing both for the practitioner and the purchaser

It is indeed; it's supposed to be.

Again I ask: So what?

In the universe of vices it is a minor one.

Actually, I think the original point was that it shows exceedingly poor judgement to put yourself near a half-naked person who is quite possibly mentally ill or a hardcore drug addict or both. A person who has learned to equate men == $$. But young men are known for their poor judgement (I sure was.)

Do I care if you go to strip clubs? No. Do I care if a stripper falsely accuses you of touching her *there* and the bouncer beats the snot out of you? No.

182 In the universe of vices it is a minor one.

Ask the Duke lacrosse players if they will ever go near a stripper again.

183 I played lacrosse in college, but sadly it was on a club team, not a team-team. Before each game, we did rape a stripper, but it wasn't rape -rape.

184 Do I care if a stripper falsely accuses you of touching her *there* and the bouncer beats the snot out of you? No.

Curiously, most major religions have a serious prohibitions against bearing false witness.  Are you an atheist?

185 Curiously, most major religions have a serious prohibitions against bearing false witness.  Are you an atheist?      

I don't believe that my religious beliefs are germane to the discussion. The person who falsely accuses another is the one guilty of bearing false witness, and is not my concern.

Back to the topic at hand: allowing a half naked, mentally ill, drunk stranger rub her naughty bits against your naughty bits. What could possibly go wrong?
        

186

Did Al Sharpton ever apologize for his comments?

Of course not as a race baiting leftist he is never on the wrong side of an issue no matter what he says.

187

Good for the Dukies.  Its a shame, but I don't think there is anyone on the '10 team that just won it all who was also on the falsely accused and suspended '06 team.  The oldest players on the current team were high school seniors when the 06 team was suspended.  Those that decided to come to Duke anyway, despite all of the bs, must be feeling pretty good right now.

We've watched the LAX Champ. on Memorial Day weekend each of the last few years.  Its a fun sport to watch--like hockey, only with bigger nets.  Plus, in LAX, hitting your opponent with your stick is legal!  How great is that!

188

188.

It was more great when the stick were made of wood--when I played.

189 buzzion: Yeah, where could I possibly find an example of a black man falsely accused by a white victim? That hypothetical has obviously never happened. I don't know what I was thinking. Black guys have ALWAYS gotten a fair shake. Stupid me. And what happened to Mike Nifong is all but unprecedented. He actually did go to jail. He's one of the only prosecutors ever to go to jail for misconduct in a case. He was dealt with as severely as just about any prosecutor ever. There was no double standard. Filly: Don't talk to me about hating innocent people. I've worked for the innocence project. My point is false accusations happen all the time. Guys go to prison over them. Everyone is outraged at this case, but why? Is it any worse that the hundreds of cases where the wrong man was accused? At least these guys didn't go to prison for 20 years or get executed (as had assuredly happened). At least the system worked.

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190 buzzion:

Yeah, where could I possibly find an example of a black man falsely accused by a white victim? That hypothetical has obviously never happened. I don't know what I was thinking. Black guys have ALWAYS gotten a fair shake. Stupid me.

And what happened to Mike Nifong is all but unprecedented. He actually did go to jail. He's one of the only prosecutors ever to go to jail for misconduct in a case. He was dealt with as severely as just about any prosecutor ever.

There was no double standard.

You know you'd have more of a point if I had made those claims you are making.  I wasn't talking about a hypothetical of black people being falsely accused by a white victim never happening.  My hypothetical was on yourr hypocritical response to this.  What would happen to the faculty and school that came out convicting the players before they were guilty if they were black?  Would the white "victim" be getting a book deal?  What would the media response be if those players went on to win the National Championship, no matter how minor the sport?  That was my point you pathetic liberal hack.  And you'd be singing they're praises and the coverage if it was a photo negative of the situation you liar.

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