1 Yep, that is exactly what I said.

And the Republican House needs to work on that "defunding" as the first bill they do. They need to break up these big huge omnibus budget bills into several separate bills so they can attack specific wings of the executive branch bureaucracy. Like the EPA, FDA etc.

Zero out stuff like CO2 monitoring and regulation and if Bami vetoes it fine, no  budget for them at all.

2 Quack!

3 "Poppin' Fresh" probably also notes that the EPA's actions also may not inspire a bipartisan move to do anything.

Hunters could use wadded-up Morrissey posts in place of shot or bullets. They're much heavier than lead. And, in a nod to the greens, his posts biodegrade much faster than lead.

4
...until after the elections.

This isn't over.

5 This trial balloon turned out to be made from the same lead the EPA evidently wants to ban.

6 They abandoned it when they figured out the direction in which people were going to dispose of their now illegal bullets.

7 The EPA acted stupidly.

8 Meh. I'm goin' fly fishing. Alaska. Screw you all the horses you rode in on.

9 And,

10 their /= they're

11 Seriously... these democrats are getting too big for their britches. November, where are you?

12 The EPA needs to be one of Darrell Issa's first targets.

There's so much extralegal nonsense going on in there that I wouldn't be at all surprised if Lisa Jackson decides to get out of Dodge pretty much as soon as the GOP takes the House.

That's one agency that could comfortably do its job on half its present budget, if it weren't trying to do a whole lot of things it shouldn't be doing.

13 Forget the birds. Shoot the birdwatchers.

14 How disappointing! I was really looking forward to getting those new steel armor piercing rounds.

15

_{Shoot the birdwatchers.}

It is really more fun to shoot the birds in front of the Birdwatchers.

really.

it is.

16 Zero out stuff like CO2 monitoring and regulation and if Bami vetoes it fine, no  budget for them at all.

Posted by: Vic at August 28, 2010 01:53 PM (/jbAw)

Cut. Jib. Newsletter. Seriously.

17 I think I am casting a big shadow on this...

18

15 How disappointing! I was really looking forward to getting those new steel armor piercing rounds.

Posted by: RecklessProcess at August 28, 2010 02:14 PM (f7ylG)

When I read they were considering replacing the lead with tungsten I was shocked. I know these people are mighty stupid but that showed astounding ignorance.

We need to replace the lead with depleted uranium!

19 17 Zero out stuff like CO2 monitoring and regulation and if Bami vetoes it fine, no  budget for them at all.

Posted by: Vic at August 28, 2010 01:53 PM (/jbAw)

 

The problem is that lacking a new budget, they will probably be budgeted with a "continuing resolution" which will maintain the status quo. For all the good work that is done in part by the US EPA, there are serious problems of oversight that the Congress has neglected for years, under Republicans too. This is an agency that really needs to be pruned back and brought under control.

I deal from time to time with one small part of the US EPA, and frankly if a comet crushed EPA HQ, the country would be better off.  There are some very bright and helpful people there, but it is managed by a very arrogant and dismissive permanent bureaucracy, which is.....well, let's say that affirmative action runs strong with this crowd.

20 We need to replace the lead with depleted uranium! To reiterate my response to the same idea in the earlier thread.... As long as I can have a GAU-8 to shoot it. *drool*

21 The problem is that lacking a new budget, they will probably be budgeted with a "continuing resolution" which will maintain the status quo.

That would have to be passed by the new Republican controlled House. If we get some Rs with balls it will not happen.

As far as the people in the EPA think about this "who would go to college with the intent of getting a job with the EPA"?  Or who wants to work at the EPA?

Eco-zealots. They have reached the point of being the ones in charge now due to seniority. When Republicans are in office they can be reined in somewhat if you don't have a RINO. When the Dems are in charge they have free reign. 

22 The EPA, as well as many other federal and local departments and agencies need to be disassembled.

http://tiny.cc/qs37d (<---That is a total fucking disgrace right there.)

23

The problem is that lacking a new budget, they will probably be budgeted with a "continuing resolution" which will maintain the status quo.

Congress is not my strong point, but the continuing resolution would have to be approved by Congress, wouldn't it? If the whole point of setting a "previous year - 15%" budget was to reign them in, why pass a continuing resolution?

24 Do my recent aactions make my butt look big?

25 Do my recent actions make my butt look big?

26 Are they still accepting comments on eliminating lead in fishing tackle? This one keeps coming up over and over, in spite of the fact that no one can demonstrate that lead in fishing tackle is harmful to the environment.

27
BANG!  BANG!  BANG! (Out back in underwear shooting gun in the air)

Yeah.  That's a bottle of Jack in my left hand and a pudding cup wedged between my junk and the crotch of my BVDs.  There's more in the fridge.  Help yourselves.

28 Its a trap!

29 Speaking of depleted Uranium reminds me of the time my younger brother called me to ask about it. When he was working on hi PhD in Chemistry at Ga Tech he did odd jobs for different companies on the side.

A scrap yard had called him out to do an analysis on a large load of scrap they had brought in and didn't know what it was. He said it was stamped "depleted Uranium" and he wanted to know if there was some special thing that had to be done with it.

I told him to tell the scrap yard to get rid of it because they probably needed a license from the NRC to even have it. Also told him to get on the phone and tell them not to put it in a smelter to melt it down because it takes a lot of special protection gear for that.

30 They all just throw them in the trash.

Posted by: CDR M at August 28, 2010 02:37 PM (5I8G0)

Believe it or not, that is what the EPA says to do with them. They say there isn't enough Hg in them to be a hazard.

I am sure though that once the other bulbs are all gone they will change their tune.

31
Are they still accepting comments on eliminating lead in fishing tackle? This one keeps coming up over and over, in spite of the fact that no one can demonstrate that lead in fishing tackle is harmful to the environment.

Posted by: Bugler at August 28, 2010 02:33 PM (VXBR1)

After they got rid of lead shot I knew they'd come after lead sinkers next. I'm surprised they haven't been banned already.

32

After they got rid of lead shot I knew they'd come after lead sinkers next.

That's lead shot for waterfowl hunting.

33 So does this mean we might be able to buy lead undergear or (panties) freely  for the x-ray vans that pass by our homes?

34 American Thinker says "the lead sinker issue is still under review." http://goo.gl/fX8E

35 I used to donate my bushels of ducks I bagged to Katie's Diner for Christmas dinners to the homeless. I didn't need no shotgun for that; after I snuck up on that Bosnian sniper, I beat him to a pulp with my left thumb and stole his sniper rifle. Yep, I get my ducks with a sniper rifle - blow their heads clean off. KAPOW - KAPOW. They never see it coming, and I get 50, maybe a hundred a day!

36

 EPA's actions threaten to inspire a bipartisan move to de-fund the agency.

Yeah, but what if the courts order the restoration of funding?  It sounds crazy, but didn't the Nevada Supreme Court recently order the state legislature to raise taxes to fund schools?

37
Wonder how many wild-eyed frothing moonbats have threatened to resign over this?  Hopefully lots.

38

Yeah, but what if the courts order the restoration of funding?  It sounds crazy, but didn't the Nevada Supreme Court recently order the state legislature to raise taxes to fund schools?

Posted by: ed at August 28, 2010 02:50 PM (Zsqn4)

I don't know about NV but a federal court did that to Saint Louis a few years ago. St. Louis should have taken it to the Supremes but they didn't. At the time probably wouldn't have because there were a lot more liberals on the court then.

In any case the problem with States and the courts is that their own Constitution does them in. Most State Constitutions have some provision in them for "free education". That opens the door to court intervention.

Keep in mind that there is no such wording in the federal Constitution and at the time it was written the idea of "public free education" had no been promulgated yet.

That also came with the "progressive era". But, the courts can not order "congress" to fund anything. They may try if they get enough liberals on the court but they may find their self all of a sudden with a lot fewer members since congress controls the size of the courts.

39 But there has to be a way for unelected bureaucrats to do an end run around the 2nd Amendment!

40
I just want phosphorous back in my detergents.

Dude, Sir, buy Mexican laundry soap, still has all the water softeners in the ingredients.  I buy a big-ass bag at the Wallyworld, add about half a cup to the wash, works great.  The water is hard as hell down here, that non-phosphorous crap didn't work at all.

41 Looks like there aren't many posting here that know about Ducks Unlimited.Lead poisoning, which occurs when waterfowl ingest spent lead shot, is a unique disease because it is caused entirely by humans. Ingestion of just a few pellets can cause death, and in some cases, a single pellet may prove lethal. At one time, an estimated 3,000 tons of lead shot were being deposited by hunters in North American wetlands each year, and the number of spent pellets in some wetlands averaged nearly 70,000 per hectare.

42 Lead poisoning formerly killed about 2 million birds a year and sickened perhaps 10 times that many. Bunch of city slickers here I guess or non hunters

43 De Fund the Federal Courts

44 That's what I shoot - Unlimited Ducks!!

45 Denny, Rachel Carson's grizzled old pooter just called, it wants it's "science" back.

46 When I'm not busy astroturfing liberal propaganda, I like to eat paste. Sometimes I do television commercials but mostly I preen the lush nylon rug that is my pate's greasy joy.

47

Bunch of city slickers here I guess or non hunters

and the number of spent pellets in some wetlands averaged nearly 70,000 per hectare.

Yep, us slickers just don't know those down-home country terms like 'hectare'.

48

Green Logic - millions of mortally wounded, unrecovered ducks are superior to millions of dead ducks.

 

49 43 Looks like there aren't many posting here that know about Ducks Unlimited.Lead poisoning, which occurs when waterfowl ingest spent lead shot, is a unique disease because it is caused entirely by humans. Ingestion of just a few pellets can cause death, and in some cases, a single pellet may prove lethal. At one time, an estimated 3,000 tons of lead shot were being deposited by hunters in North American wetlands each year, and the number of spent pellets in some wetlands averaged nearly 70,000 per hectare.

Posted by: denny crane at August 28, 2010 03:05 PM (I+7Zv)

Did it hurt to pull that much shit out of your ass?

50 45 Lead poisoning formerly killed about 2 million birds a year and sickened perhaps 10 times that many. Bunch of city slickers here I guess or non hunters

Posted by: denny crane at August 28, 2010 03:06 PM (I+7Zv)

Denny dear, I so agree with you, those and windmills need to go! today!

51 I just want phosphorous back in my detergents.

I though WA State was the only place that banned Phosphorous detergents???

52 I myself prefer upland shooting, tastier birds for my palate.

53

_{Mexican Laundry Soap???}

The Dirty Mexicans smell so much better than the Filthy Americans.  This is why we need comprehensive Immigration Reform, now!

54 54 Dang, Mexican Laundry Soap??? Doing the loads that American detergents are too lazy to do for themselves.

55
Dang, Mexican Laundry Soap???

Posted by: CDR M at August 28, 2010 03:17 PM (5I8G0)

It's doing the work American laundry soap won't do.

56

 _{I myself prefer upland shooting, tastier birds for my palate.}

Fuck You.

 

57 john ryan evidently hasn't heard of natural selection. Organisms must either adapt to their changing environment or face extinction. The damned ducks had better get their evolutionary act together if they want to survive as a species.

58
56 I myself prefer upland shooting, tastier birds for my palate.

Posted by: denny crane at August 28, 2010 03:19 PM (I+7Zv)

Like pheasant?

59
Mexican Laundry Soap???

Hell yes, I use the FOCA stuff.  Hardly any perfume, either.  It's like Ivory soap for your clothes.  My  tshirts are white* again instead of dingy grey.


_{*racist, denounce}

60

 _{myself prefer upland shooting, tastier birds for my palate.}

That's what your Mother said last night when I was drumming her ass!

61

_{Like pheasant?}

Denny loves the Cock!

62
I though WA State was the only place that banned Phosphorous detergents???

Lever and the other soap mfgrs removed phosphorus 'voluntarily' a couple years ago to be part of the alleged green movement bullshit.

63

Denny loves the Cock!

He does, that.

 

64 Nope, VA did it on 1 July as well.

Yep, I did a quick Bing and I find that States all over the country have got in the act. Its just that WA has gone whole hog and banned dishwasher detergent as well.

65

_{myself prefer upland shooting, tastier birds for my palate.}

That's what your Mother said last night when I was drumming her ass!

She gave me a gobble too!!

 

66 I go full Hmong and trap local songbirds, which I then toast and eat in my front yard.

67 denny, keep your teeth together. You obviously understand nothing about my work.

68 Damn environmentalists. Posted by: CDR M at August 28, 2010 03:25 PM _____________________________________________ Word!

69 74 Damn environmentalists. Posted by: CDR M at August 28, 2010 03:25 PM _____________________________________________ Word! Posted by: Millions of Dead People in Africa at August 28, 2010 03:26 PM (yQWNf) Rachel Carson is my homegirl.

70 Lead poisoning formerly killed about 2 million birds a year and sickened perhaps 10 times that many. Bunch of city slickers here I guess or non hunters

Posted by: denny crane at August 28, 2010 03:06 PM (I+7Zv)

Got something to back up those assertions, Denny, or did you just pull that, amongst many other things, out of your ass?

71 I think we can all agree, at this point, that bureaucrats are toxic down to a range of one part per billion.

72 John Ryan has been called out so its time for him to run along like the cowardly little bitch he is.  I dare you to actually stick around on a thread and debate you worthless fucking turd dropping troll. 

73 Hey, Kate at Small Dead Animals has a post up with a photo of some vintage DDT based products. The brand features a green cross. Awesome.

74 I had detail autopsy reports for millions of dead ducks. They were given to me by Ms Lucy Ramirez at the Texas State Fair. But that bastard Dan Rather swiped them.

75 CDR M, regarding phosphorous, you can buy TSP at Lowes and Home Depot. It's in the cleaning aisles.

76 Last week, hubby and I dumped a bunch of old paint onto a huge piece of cardboard so we could legally throw them both away.

77
82 CDR M, regarding phosphorous, you can buy TSP at Lowes and Home Depot. It's in the cleaning aisles.

Posted by: 2549 at August 28, 2010 03:34 PM (kr1RX)

It's also in hardware store with the painting supplied. Great stuff for cleaning brushes.

78 katya, the designated driver at August 28, 2010 03:36 PM That is a great idea. I usually just flush it down the toilet.

79 Lead poisoning formerly killed about 2 million birds a year and sickened perhaps 10 times that many. Bunch of city slickers here I guess or non hunters

Posted by: denny crane at August 28, 2010 03:06 PM (I+7Zv)

hey look, it's the "perhaps" vagueness with zero supporting evidence argument! I also take it from your assertion of the demographics here that you aren't 1. a "city slicker", and that 2. you are a hunter? I'm betting that you are at the least a townie, and you have never sat a blind in your entire life.

80
Lead bullets are the new second-hand smoke.

81

katya, the designated driver at August 28, 2010 03:36 PM

That is a great idea. I usually just flush it down the toilet.

People get very creative when beaurocrats try to run their lives.

82

Last week, hubby and I dumped a bunch of old paint onto a huge piece of cardboard so we could legally throw them both away.

Yeah, 3 inches of not-quite-solid gunk in the can, you need to make an appointment for special handling at the landfill. Pop the lid and leave it out for a day or two here in the AZ sun, throw it in with the regular trash.

83 OK- Schrodinger's Cat, or Pavlov's Dog. Who would win in a fight?

84 Lead bullets are the new second-hand smoke. Posted by: the captain's log at August 28, 2010 03:40 PM _________________________________________ Unsafe at any speed.

85

Yeah, 3 inches of not-quite-solid gunk in the can

 

You rang?

86 I am larger than Cheney's WarCock

87
Schrodinger's Cat, or Pavlov's Dog. Who would win in a fight?

Richard Gere's gerbil.

88
What's next, are they going to outlaw rubber tires because of the environmental damage caused by tires as an excuse to get cars off the road?

89

56 I myself prefer upland shooting, tastier birds for my palate.

 

Thanks, denny.  I always thought I was pretty delicious

90

23 The EPA, as well as many other federal and local departments and agencies need to be disassembled.

Sadly, Americans aren't anywhere close to ready for this kind of logical action necessary to save the Republic. The over half of this country that thinks Sarah Palin is extreme, with the assistance of the SRM, would certainly find this a tad extreme as well. 

And much disassembling needs to occur at the state and local level as well.

91

Posted by: Joe Biden's Member

Cleanup, aisle "here". : )

92 I read a while back that birds flying into windows is the top bird killer. 1 billion or more. Lead from ammo and fishing sinkers is at the bottom of the list. 

93

45 Lead poisoning formerly killed about 2 million birds a year and sickened perhaps 10 times that many.

 

And yet you still walk the Earth.  Damned shame.

94

100 I read a while back that birds flying into windows is the top bird killer. 1 billion or more. Lead from ammo and fishing sinkers is at the bottom of the list. 

I killed more than my share.

95 I read a while back that birds flying into windows is the top bird killer. 1 billion or more _____________________________________________ So therefore, today, I set out to get windows banned as part of my new new 'safe birds' initiative.

96 I cause dead squirrels, dead deer, and dead puppies.

97 Lead bullets are the new second-hand smoke.

Posted by: the captain's log at August 28, 2010 03:40 PM (dEw6Z)

LOL, I read a report several years ago about the first court case brought against the EPA on second hand smoke.

The judge reviewed the evidence and threw the EPA out of court saying that they violated their own rules in such a wholesale manner all of their evidence was tainted.

The EPA in typical liberal fashion ignored the court and continued to enforce their rules. The problem wound up being the local communities jumping on the bandwagon.

Sure the government can control smoking in "their own" buildings but then the big PC companies and  locals got into the act.

All based on BS phony science and lies (just like AGW)

98
speaking of the EPA...

wow Rosie Grier is 78!

I'm too young to remember him playing in the NFL (or AFL or whatever), but I remember him guest starring on campy shows such as CHiPs. Maybe Love Boat, too.

99

I'm too young to remember him playing in the NFL (or AFL or whatever), but I remember him guest starring on campy shows such as CHiPs. Maybe Love Boat, too.

Guy was hung like a mule.

100

My friend, do not be ashamed to do a grammar check before you post.

"But that same somebody forgot that the Democrats, including the President, do not want to talk about gun rights because their [sic] always on the losing side of public opinion."

 

101 That is a great idea. I usually just flush it down the toilet.

People get very creative when beaurocrats try to run their lives.

Posted by: katya

Not a good idea if you dont want a latex plug in the sewer trap. This moron knows from the school of hard knocks.

I wouldn't frown on painting the road though.

102 Hey, Kate at Small Dead Animals has a post up with a photo of some vintage DDT based products. Posted by: George Orwell

Did she include a snarky one-liner and a link?

103
Boston is trying right now to ban smoking in all their public housing. When I heard that, at first I as like that's good: the city is paying the bill so they can make the rules. Then I was like waitaminute! and I came to my senses.

1) The taxpayers are paying the bill.
2) This is exactly how ObamaCare is going to justify telling people how to live (what to eat, etc.) because they're paying the bill, which affords them that right.

104 Going to be hard to fire those bullets when we mandate that all barrels be manufactured without an opening.

105 When I was a kid, my buddies and I fished most all of the summer. We never used pliers to crimp the splittshot LEAD sinkers, we put them in our mouths and used our teeth. To this day, (40 years later)  I dont know of any Birth Defects or Deaths from Lead Poisoning among our group.

106
I suppose second-hand smoke is harmful if a smoker is exhaling his smoke directly into a person's mouth & nostrils just like lead is harmful to a bird if directly injected into a bird.

107 We never used pliers to crimp the splittshot LEAD sinkers, we put them in our mouths and used our teeth. To this day, (40 years later) I dont know of any Birth Defects or Deaths from Lead Poisoning among our group. Posted by: Long Hair'd Country Boy at August 28, 2010 03:57 PM ____________________________________________ I know you say you feel fine, but just for shits and grins, come on down and we'll do a full blood work up just to make sure.

108
The EPA needs to ban coffins.

Because you sure do find a lot of dead people in coffins.

Connection? Obviously.

109 We need to find out where these liberal hippie morons are breading and send in Cartman.

110
We never used pliers to crimp the splittshot LEAD sinkers, we put them in our mouths and used our teeth. To this day, (40 years later) I dont know of any Birth Defects or Deaths from Lead Poisoning among our group.
Posted by: Long Hair'd Country Boy
========================================
Hahahaha, now read that comment again with this playing in the background!

111
I dont know of any Birth Defects or Deaths from Lead Poisoning among our group.

Well, you did end up here.

112 OK-
Schrodinger's Cat, or Pavlov's Dog. Who would win in a fight?

Posted by: CAC at August 28, 2010 03:41 PM (Gr1V1)

Schrodinger's Cat because it's like a ninja! It's there but it's not and in two or more places!

113

114 OT but hot damn!  Cox Cable actually added the NFL Red Zone channel!!  There is a God!  Now I'm not stuck watching Redskin/Ravens games here in VA.

Yeah, enjoy McNabb while we celebrate the end of our long national nightmare,

114

I thought the booze was to blame, not lead poisoning.

With our new lead-based booze, now it can be both!

115 114 OT but hot damn!  Cox Cable actually added the NFL Red Zone channel!!  There is a God!  Now I'm not stuck watching Redskin/Ravens games here in VA.

Posted by: CDR M at August 28, 2010 03:57 PM (5I8G0)

--Lucky bastard!

I won't even be spending Christmas at my parents', who get Cox.

116 the booze..Well Now.!

117 The funny thing about "second hand" smoke is the original research they did to get the link of cigarettes to cancer.

They never could get a pure coincidence = causation  link. What they wound up doing is feeding all those poor lab rats pounds of nicotine and tar they got from machines which "smoked a large number of cigarettes at a time. 

What they gave to the rats was enough to be the equivalent of feeding a human a ton of the shit. Yeah, some of them got cancer. I am surprised that ALL of them didn't just die right out.

That kind of "science" is what has now given us all of our pollution limits. But in any case, it took literally massive quantities of "smoke" to get an increase in cancer rate among those rats yet they try to say the same thing now with minute amounts of smoke from someone else smoking. 

118 The Sharpton rally today had a guy from the Brady Campaign speak, promising to eliminate easy access to guns. Another winning argument for the left.

119 129; Isn't that what they did with saccharine?

120 OT, but Glenn Beck has a 200k plus rally on the national mall. CNN's website has an article on Sharpton's counter-rally.  Similar article on Beck?  crickets chirping.  Yeah, there's no media bias.

121 We need lead to protect us from ghosts and green kryptonite.

122
Wait. You mean they designed their experiment to fit their hypothesis?

In other words, it's like they concluded second-hand smoke is a killer so they got a bunch of chimps together and put them in a sealed room full of 10,000 burning cigarettes.

123 I actually kind of agree (gak! retch!) with denny. DU is a good outfit. That's where he got his numbers.

124 Going to be hard to fire those bullets when we mandate that all barrels be manufactured without an opening. Ahem.

125 129; Isn't that what they did with saccharine?

They tried but all they got out of it was a "warning label" and even that was later removed when it was "discovered" that they had not allowed for all the factors causing the rat problem.

LOL, for some reason saccharine has been bad luck for the EPA. It got the first EPA chemist fired when he tried to have it banned because he saw it as an illegal adulterant that replaced sugar. That pissed off Teddy Roosevelt who called him an idiot. 

126 On the second-hand smoke thing, wasn't a big part of the human research conducted on female bartenders and waitresses, asserting that their smoke-filled environments were dangerous? The fact that 99% of bartenders and waitresses smoke like a mid-70s Detroit diesel has nothing to do with it, I'm sure.

127 In other words, it's like they concluded second-hand smoke is a killer so they got a bunch of chimps together and put them in a sealed room full of 10,000 burning cigarettes.

Actually from reading that court case they didn't even go that far. They took a study that had been conducted for some other purpose and tried to correlate it to second hand smoke using bogus statistical analysis methods. Methods that even violated their own rules.

They actually have zero evidence that second hand smoke does anything other than cause a "stink". 

128

They actually have zero evidence that second hand smoke does anything other than cause a "stink". 

From what I remember, and I could be wrong, the studies in actuality found that children of smokers suffered a smaller risk of lung diseases later in life. statistical shit like the "hockey stick" was all that came out of it. It was a complation of studies with a phony analysis.

129 If the EPA's methods were used in the pharmaceutical industry every one of them would be in jail.

130 From what I remember, and I could be wrong, the studies in actuality found that children of smokers suffered a smaller risk of lung diseases later in life.

There are other studies out there besides the one from the EPA. That may be one of those. I have never seen one though that was not absolute bull shit.

In fact, I now automatically go into the shitcan mode any time I see any news media column on anything that begins with the term "studies show". 

If they don't provide a link to the actual study or a description of its methods I just consider it more lies.

131

132 129; Isn't that what they did with saccharine?

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at August 28, 2010 04:21 PM (WF5bO)

It's what they did with cyclamate:

The released study was showing that eight out of 240 rats fed a mixture of saccharin and cyclamates, at levels of humans ingesting 350 cans of diet soda per day, developed bladder tumors.

132 143 If the EPA's methods were used in the pharmaceutical industry every one of them would be in jail.

Posted by: Vic at August 28, 2010 04:48 PM (/jbAw)

I hate to be the one to tell you this...

133
136 I actually kind of agree (gak! retch!) with denny. DU is a good outfit. That's where he got his numbers.

Posted by: stace at August 28, 2010 04:25 PM (LYakY)

From the page where denny cribbed his numbers:

While it is unclear how many North American waterfowl actually succumb to disease each year, it is clear that continued wetlands loss will force larger numbers of waterfowl into a smaller number of suitable areas . . .

Nope. No science there. Just plain old pull it out of your ass to fit your cause type numbers.

DU may be a good organization but that doesn't grant them license to play fast and loose with facts.

134 That DU looks like the typical CA eco-tard outfit masquerading under the guise of a hunting club.

135 Malor: "As Ed Morrissey notes, EPA's actions threaten to inspire a bipartisan move to de-fund the agency."

That's silly, hopped-up-on-goofballs, crazytalk from those Tea Party loons and the Sharron Angles of the world, that's what that is.

Oh, wait. I agree with the NRA and all those smelly constituents.

136 They still left the fishing line weights in their comments, right? Well that's their precedent for future action on ammo again. Czar Cass Sunstein will nudge this along nicely when America isn't looking.

137

In fact, I now automatically go into the shitcan mode any time I see any news media column on anything that begins with the term "studies show". 

Which invalidates the entieity of every morning news program.

138 city slicker..... no hunter ...... yes No self respectin redneck would EVER refer to doggin birds as "hunting upland game". I smell a concern troll...... Im probably exposed to more lead in a month than the average person is in a lifetime. I collect wheel weights, shower pans, lead pipes etc and smelt them with bar solder into hard cast lead, then cast my own bullets. I also reload ammunition and I am also a restoration contractor that specializes in fire and water disaster restoration. I am exposed to vaporized lead fumes and dust on a rather frquent basis. With the new EPA rules that went into effect this year for contractors.... I had to attend an 8 hour training session and obtain a licence in each state in which I do business. The first two hours of the class are a "scare the shit out of you" seminar on the dangers of lead. Well.... I ended up getting my blood tested. Results???? Slightly elevated, but still with the green.... 11 micrograms per decalitre of blood.... Is there a danger to prolonged exposure to lead. Yes..... but based on the my results and my general level of exposure.... I think the whole lead danger is VASTLY overstated.

139 Schrodinger's Cat, or Pavlov's Dog. Who would win in a fight?

Posted by: CAC at August 28, 2010 03:41 PM (Gr1V1)

Schrodinger's Cat because it's like a ninja! It's there but it's not and in two or more places!

Posted by: ErikW at August 28, 2010 04:09 PM (2BQU0)

Besides, what do you think will happen once the bell is rung to begin the round?

140 Here is something every good Moron should read:

FACTS VERSUS FEARS: A REVIEW OF THE GREATEST UNFOUNDED HEALTH SCARES OF RECENT TIMES

http://tinyurl.com/38ugzvc

Don't worry about the "price" you can download the pdf version from the link on the right for free.

Some of the articles like the one on saccharin or dated (they had not found the problem yet and the warning was still active) but it does slaughter a lot of the phony science and scare studies that are out there.

The story of DDT and theLove Canal is especially good. They will really piss you off.

141 BTW, you can see from the story on DDT that the Nixon appointed William Ruckelshaus was a huge mistake from the get-go.

Yes, idiot Nixon appointed a damn eco-tard from CA as the first head of the EPA and he purposely set it up to grown into the monstrosity it is today.

142 As a scientist by trade, I say damn Michael Mann, the EPA and all the other pseudo-scientist scam artists, agenda-driven Federal agencies, and enviromentalistas that give science a bad name.

143

How much of the recent egg recall was mass hysteria?

144

From WikiAnswers-

"Proper refrigeration at 40 deg F or below limits the growth of Salmonella enteritidis and proper cooking at 140 deg F or above destroys the organism. Therefore, consumers must follow safe food-handling practices when preparing eggs."

145

How much of the recent egg recall was mass hysteria?

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at August 28, 2010 06:55 PM (WF5bO)

We will find out 6 months after the congressional investigation and the company is bankrupt.

146

Could it be that they somehow have access to the sales stats for ammo?

One guy I know bought 2400 rds. within 24 hrs. of the EPA announcement.

Every time they even discuss crap like this ammo sales skyrocket.

If I knew when they were gonna make their next pronouncement I'd be able to time the market buying Remington/Winchester/PMC etc... stock

 

WTG EPA!!!

147 Hahahaha, on a related topic Dirty Harry has lost his NRA endorsement. Story at Fox:

Sen. Harry Reid's support for President Obama's Supreme Court nominees has cost him the endorsement of the National Rifle Association in his re-election bid.

148

@fixerupper  Is there a danger to prolonged exposure to lead. Yes..... but based on the my results and my general level of exposure.... I think the whole lead danger is VASTLY overstated.

Pretty much: there's a real danger from lead if you actually eat a bunch of it, or (more likely) eat something that concentrates lead (it can be a problem with some fish, and some bird that eat those fish).  There's certainly some legitimate room for government regulation of lead in consumer products, but the danger is way overblown (like just about every danger in life, except driving).

Same deal with depleted uranium, BTW - there's no radiation danger, but it is a heavy metal.

149 BTW - there's no radiation danger, but it is a heavy metal.

Not true. U-238 is an alpha emitter. If you do anything to make it airborne and breath (or eat it) it it will eventually give you cancer.

That includes grinding, welding, or smelting the metal.

150 I don' hunt - nothing against it either - but I thought lead was outlawed in most places anyway.