1 Coulter has a good post up concerning this topic.

2 He's a prisoner of conscience and Jazz Hands.

3

Plan C, hire someone to kill him. I'm always told we're evil murderers. I seem to remember the left claiming John Negroponte ran death squads in south america, well let's see if that's true.

Anyone have a poison tipped umbrella?

Or how about we call in a solid from the Israeli's?

4 See Coulter on this.

5

Well - now that we can ask and Private Manning can tell, I don't see why this should take very long.

6 Or see Bosk. Whatever works for you.

7 These shitty countries refuse to cooperate in the extradition of criminals. That UK asshole Gary McKinnon, a ginger, who hacked into our military computers in 2001 and 2002 they are still trying to extradite.

8 >>I just don't think Obama or Holder, confirmed men of the left, are going for Plan A.<<

Or Plan B.

Or any other plan.

9 Coulter has a good post up concerning this topic.

Linky?

10 How about a link for all of these Coulter refs?

11 He's an attention whore. 6 months in solitary while the case gets revved up and he'll be hanging his sheet from the bars and taking a short jump. Problem solved.

12 I think he ought to be prosecuted under the "bullet to the head of a foreign asshole who's trying to destroy America" statute.  And I'm sure you could get any number of volunteers to pull the trigger.

13

Or Plan B.

We take those with our Vitamins!

14

Conspiracy is an elastic concept.  Nailing Ass-hange on conspiracy would not make the MFM happy.  They would shit bricks over a conspiracy conviction, in fact, because their MO could easily be found by a jury to fit within loosey-goosey "conspiracy."

Look for the MFM to come out hard against a conspiracy prosecution, and look for Holder to react to that blowback the same way he has reacted to the 'GITMO trials in NYC' blowback; ie, he will stall as long as possible, and then decide to spend more time with his family.

WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

15 but judges tend to take what they call "policy considerations" into account.

It actually hails back to the BS PP case, not because that case said you could not prosecute the press for disseminating secrets (as the MFM says). But because that case said that the government had to show cause for preventing the printing and prosecute after the fact. Also, the government had to show actual harm to national security that was caused by the publishing of the secrets.

That is where the killer arises. In order show actual harm, in most cases the government would have to divulge even more secrets (and also in discovery).

This is why shit that happened in the Bush adm with the assholes at the NYT never got prosecuted. 

16

And I'm sure you could get any number of volunteers to pull the trigger.

Shotgun!

17 <a href="www.anncoulter.com>anncoulter.com</a>

18 Well - now that we can ask and Private Manning can tell, I don't see why this should take very long.

Prosecuting him would be "homo-hate."  Haters.

19 anncoulter.com

20 pixy sucks!

www.anncoulter.com

21 Whatever. Obama would have to prosecute himself. (Yes, I believe that he is behind this, or rather, his puppet-masters are.

22 I think he ought to be prosecuted under the "bullet to the head of a foreign asshole who's trying to destroy America" statute.

It's more of a "comfy chairs, DVD new releases, and ice-cream at Gitmo" statute.  Sigh.

23 Yeah, I was thinking exactly convict him of being an asshole who needs a bullet in the brainpan and letting that work itself out. I bet that G. Gordon Liddy would do it for free.

24 It's way past time that the AG start prosecuting crap like this and let people know there are consequences for actively working to damage this country. I'd like to see  hangings for espionage back in vogue.

25 They should just predator drone Assange.

26 A moot point, given that Obama definitely isn't going to kill a lefty hero. But I wonder where I'd be if the situation weren't hypothetical, if, say, the President were Dick "Warcock" Cheney and this was at least a live possibility. I think even a Cheney would refuse to order the hit, and I'm pretty sure I'd back him up. Well, Dick Cheney might not but his mighty Warcock would leap up to do its duty! So to speak.

27 Assange is an Obama stooge.

28 I don't want this asshole assassinated.That tool should be reserved for true hostile actors.I'd like to see him imprisoned.We aren't the Russians and I am glad we aren't.

29 "Beyond that, though, I have trouble conceiving of assassinating someone for doing what in their minds is the right thing to do, and, from a certain point of view (that is, a certain mode of thinking) is a plausibly right thing to do."

Stealing confidential wartime intelligence and delivering it to our enemies (whether via an old school dead-drop or just blasting it all over the Internet) makes one an enemy combatant in my book. I know my book isn't the one that counts, but I'd hang the fucker. Why waste a bullet?

30 I'd like to see in put through NAVY Seal training.

31 I don't want this asshole assassinated.That tool should be reserved for true hostile actors.I'd like to see him imprisoned.We aren't the Russians and I am glad we aren't. Posted by: steevy at December 16, 2010 12:28 PM (FP3hF) Publishing a ton of our secret cables is pretty damn hostile and i for one would not lose a minute of sleep if he woke up dead one day

32 I'd like to see in put through NAVY Seal training. Posted by: momma at December 16, 2010 12:30 PM (penCf) But he might drown in the surf, you surely would not want that?

33 I want to nail Assange too.

34 I have had one question through all of this:

Someone knew these papers were being copied.  Someone, somewhere, higher up knew.

So, who else turned a blind eye?

35

I'd like to see  hangings for espionage back in vogue.

Hey, it's the 21^st Century. Pay-per-view!

Also, I'd like to see enemy combatants executed after some Jack Bauer style interrogation. That would stop the TSA grope-athon because it would send and unmistakeable message that we aren't going to tolerate terrorism in any form.

36 Coulter changed my mind on the legal issues, but I still find a raison d'être missing. Puke me some knowledge please, morons.

37 21 Whatever. Obama would have to prosecute himself. (Yes, I believe that he is behind this, or rather, his puppet-masters are.

Posted by: baldilocks at December 16, 2010 12:16 PM (Jm5TR)

That's a pretty serious charge. Care to elaborate on your reasons?

38 I thought that the PUBLISHING of the cables was done by media outlets like the NYT and Der Spiegel

39 Someone knew these papers were being copied. Someone, somewhere, higher up knew. So, who else turned a blind eye? Posted by: momma at December 16, 2010 12:31 PM (penCf) Not so sure "someone" knew they were being copied. "Someone" should have know. And "Someone" should have yanked PFC Manning's Security Clearance since he was being washed out.

40

Someone knew these papers were being copied.

Unfortunately--no.

If you have read the previous posts on this issue that was the big gaping, terrifying hole revealed in DoD cybersecurity:  One could (I hope it's past tense now), download huge amounts of data and it triggered no alarm bells.  Sad, but true.

41 It's a pretty sad state we've sunk too where a large number of people are not only unsure if Assange is a scumbag, attention seeking prick who has no compunction putting the lives of innocent people at risk and dealing a severe blow to our intelligence gathering and diplomatic mission, they think this albino freak is some sort of hero. What a fucking world we live in today.

42 But he might drown in the surf, you surely would not want that?

Posted by: nevergiveup at December 16, 2010 12:30 PM (0GFWk)

Nah.  Not during hell week, but maybe he could be roughed up a bit.

A guy like him, how cool would it be to 'leak' pics of him pissing his pants cuz he's forced to stand in ankle deep water with his rifle over his head for 8 - 10 hours? Pic of him puking cuz he's forced to run 10 miles with all his gear? 

I think he needs to be a victim of his own devices. 

Then he can be sentenced to life in prison. Death.  I don't care.  But we need to send a message.  Obama has made us look like a pansie nation. We need to change that.

43

 Beyond that, though, I have trouble conceiving of assassinating someone for doing what in their minds is the right thing to do, and, from a certain point of view (that is, a certain mode of thinking) is a plausibly right thing to do.

Really? we kind of have a history of killing people that not only don't agree with us politically but believe they are totally right thinking that way when they are trying to harm our country. We've fought several wars and hanged  several spies.

44 100% of fagots  are sociopaths. They had it right before 1974.

45 He could get 20 years per document.

46

Yet this is the same guy that asked the court not to reveal the address where he was staying.

Well, now, wait just a minute here. Julia, how come you think it's so damned important to leak all kinds of information to damage us, but you want your information kept secret?

I seem to sense a slight discrepancy in your actions, Julie.

47

A moot point, given that Obama definitely isn't going to kill a lefty hero. But I wonder where I'd be if the situation weren't hypothetical, if, say, the President were Dick "Warcock" Cheney and this was at least a live possibility. I think even a Cheney would refuse to order the hit, and I'm pretty sure I'd back him up.

Is there a down side to some anonymous agent taking Asswedge out? Maybe I don't consider the anger of leftards a downside as compared to the reluctance of the next Asswedge to publish or even seek secrets that got the original killed like a tick caught sucking on a redneck's scrotum.

48 Agreed, Ace, that assassination is a bad idea. Very bad. I sort of thought we believed in hearing a case before rendering judgement. But you're wrong on one part, Ace. President Prissypants might very well give the command to have it done. Study the history of socialism/communism and you'll see from Lenin/Trotsky on down that violence is never more than a decision away. This is the big irony of liberalism ... while it trumpets human rights it is always the first to trample on them ... with jackboots.

49 37 21 Whatever. Obama would have to prosecute himself. (Yes, I believe that he is behind this, or rather, his puppet-masters are. Posted by: baldilocks at December 16, 2010 12:16 PM (Jm5TR) That's a pretty serious charge. Care to elaborate on your reasons? Everything he is and everything he has done since January 20, 2009 as president.

50

Unfortunately--no.

If you have read the previous posts on this issue that was the big gaping, terrifying hole revealed in DoD cybersecurity:  One could (I hope it's past tense now), download huge amounts of data and it triggered no alarm bells.  Sad, but true.

I have read the previous posts.  I have also talked to my many family members in the service right now, and they all have said that someone knew.  They say that it doesn't pass the smell test.  None of them could give me specifics, but the entire chain of events is off.  Not that the mf traitor had clearance, or that he was one of millions, but that no one noticed his actions.

They keep saying that it is easier to get away with a tank, rpgs, etc., than it is to take information.  

51 I have read the previous posts. I have also talked to my many family members in the service right now, and they all have said that someone knew. They say that it doesn't pass the smell test. Posted by: momma at December 16, 2010 12:45 PM (penCf) Yep. /retired AF, former holder of a security clearance

52 I'd have no problem executing a spy after a fair trial(or military tribunal).I have no problem putting a thermobaric Hellfire onto a terrorist operative hiding in Pakistan,a current and future combatant in arms against the US.I DON'T want a government slipping polonium into the sushi of a guy like this.

53 They're torturing poor, poor Bradley with their c*cks!!!1!

54 It's so obvious that this is a setup to call for more control of the "internet". My husband and I talked for 20 minutes about the security measures where this info was stolen and came up with solutions, like taking out the CD slots and USB ports. If we could do that, then surely your precious government could have done so if they had deemed this information important. The fact is they didn't think it was that important. Ah, the espionage act of 1918, cooked up by the Wilsonians to shut up true-blue conservatives who pointed out the amount of government corruption associated with WW1. One poor guy who made a movie about the Revolution at about the same time went to jail for 3 years under this act. His crime? Making our allies the British look bad on the silver screen. The circle of tyranny completes itself.

55 "Beyond that, though, I have trouble conceiving of assassinating someone for doing what in their minds is the right thing to do, and, from a certain point of view (that is, a certain mode of thinking) is a plausibly right thing to do." Of course not, as Allah declared we must make Jihad against the Great Satan.

56 This shit would have been unheard of 100 years ago. We need some changes.

First we need to repeal the 8th amendment and reword the parts dealing with treason.

Then we need to prosecute the asshole that stole the secrets and gave them to ahsausage for treason. Once convicted he would be punished under the old penalties for treason. He would be drawn and quartered in public.

As for Ahsausage, he would be prosecuted under the British secrets law (we would have to have a new President for that). He would be housed for 99 years in the old Bailey with his cohorts where he would be assraped every day. He may like it initially but after the first 20 years or so when he would have to wear a man-diaper he would get tired of it.

57 Assange, freed on bail, is speaking (gloating) live now on Fox.

58 Assassination?  No.

Now, if he were to turn up dead of a drug overdose, with supplies and kiddie porn scattered about the room...

59 Agreed, Ace, that assassination is a bad idea. Very bad. I sort of thought we believed in hearing a case before rendering judgement.
Yeah. Because maybe it wasn't on WikiLeaks (if there even is a "WikiLeaks"); and maybe it wasn't Assange but an impostor taking credit all these months etc.

60 If the CIA could do anything right, this would be so much simpler: they leak some Russian dirt, blame Assange, Assange dies a day later from a heart attack/radiation poisoning/spontaneous combustion. Kind of miss the JFK days when the CIA knew how to work with the Mafia and get things done. Like JFK, for one.

61 61 How about this: maybe Assange has a right to publish info that gets dumped into his info box. You know, we all loved it when the Climategate hacks happened ....

62 He doesn't have to be a citizen to be nailed on espionage charges, and he has admitted in public that his actions were intended to harm the US and its policies.

The only thing missing from this equation is a CinC with an actual pair keeping his pants pockets apart.

63 How about this: maybe Assange has a right to publish info that gets dumped into his info box. You know, we all loved it when the Climategate hacks happened ....

Posted by: MaxMBJ at December 16, 2010 01:10 PM (nZ34l)

That analogy does not wash. Climate leaks were not classified and there were no "hacks". The data was not stolen.

64 65 "That analogy does not wash. Climate leaks were not classified and there were no "hacks". The data was not stolen." 1. Classified, smassified. Try telling anyone in any organization that their inside info is free for the world because it isn't "classified." Please. 2. As for there were no hacks, where's the hack in the Wikileaks affair? Manning dumped the docs, Wikileaks published them. Sure there was an elaborate secure upload, but hacks? 3. Finally, data not stolen? Refer to point 1 above.

65 Traditional US press, like it or not, has a chance at when using a First Amendment defense.

Irrespective of what his lawyers think, Assflange has much less of a case- if any at all. Conspiracy will stick, even though my preference is ending this with extreme prejudice. We can call his latter tact, collateral murder.

66 I thought that the PUBLISHING of the cables was done by media outlets like the NYT and Der Spiegel


Don't sprain your brain with all that thinking, dunce.

67 Beyond that, though, I have trouble conceiving of assassinating someone for doing what in their minds is the right thing to do, and, from a certain point of view (that is, a certain mode of thinking) is a plausibly right thing to do.

I would have executed Klaus Fuchs, and we DID execute the Rosenbergs. This is not a case of killing someone who disagrees, it is a case of killing someone who not only disagrees, but acts on that disagreement in such a way as to put at risk the lives of thousands of people.

He likes to play god with other people's lives. He should get a taste of his own medicine.

68 ace, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg thought they were doing the right thing when they gave our atomic secrets to the Soviets. How is that a defense? Culling the local hobo population is the right thing to do, but no doubt I will eventually hang for it.

69
Julius and Ethel Rosenberg thought they were doing the right thing when they gave our atomic secrets to the Soviets. How is that a defense?

Culling the local hobo population is the right thing to do, but no doubt I will eventually hang for it.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff in 2012 at December 16, 2010 01:41 PM (Idoz0)

Exactly. I can't believe Ace wrote that.

70 Vic: Every asshat that gets subjected to a media expose yells "Stolen data!".

Manning leaked secret info to a foreign media outlet while in the US military. He is going to prison for this.

Attempting to punish a FOREIGN reporter for publishing this stuff outside of the US is just wrong. Holder is doing this because he needs a scapegoat to be someone not under President Toonces command.

71 iknowtheleft: If the President can use covert forces to assassinate a mere reporter, then he can also use them to assasinate his own political enemies if they travel abroad.

Would you like to see Tea Party organizers have mysterious accidents while visiting Europe on vacation?

Such covert actions are reserved for terrorists and other folks who are at war with us ... not for European reporters who don't like the US. This particular nightmare needs to stay in the box. I do not trust US politicians with the power to execute death warrants against people we are not officially at war with.

72 Hello McFly. There is a charge for when a foreign national breaks into your country's secrets; it is called espionage. I realize that this is a radical concept for the giant brains in charge of our current Justice department, but why not try him for the actual crime he committed?

73 Hey, Ace. FYI, there's nothing that Assange could do to prevent Manning from keeping some manner of chat log, if that is indeed how they interacted. I've looked for some of my clients, and even using the most over-the-top expensive DRM and asset management software can you keep a viewer from holding on to data that he has been shown on a computer. Screen-shots essentially is what it comes down to. But in that case, and in the case of chat logs, both are extremely easy to 'forge'. So really, Manning would have no grounds to stand on unless they were utilizing some secure cloud telepresence software with certifiable "legal hold" abilities and personal certificates on both ends, which I can fucking guarantee they were not. So either way, it doesn't really matter...

74 What do you do with a foreign spy residing in a foreign country?  You either leave him alone, or you whack him.

75 I am having trouble understanding everyone's problems seeing the correct path here.  Guess it is the "on the Internet" effect that leads to so many bogus patents.  Take something ordinary and add "on the Internet" to it and file a patent.  Everybody loses their frickin' mind with those three words.

Lemme break it down for ya.  Picture some fool sitting in a third rate hotel in a third rate European country, chillin like a villian quietly shopping around a cache of 250K State Dept. documents to the highest bidder.  CIA gets wind of the deal, how many hours does the fool make it before some low grade spook gives said fool a fatal case of lead poisioning?  I'll tell ya, about six hours and there will be a plane winging its way back to VA with an agent, a briefcase full of CD-Rs and the laptop the guy will be tapping out his report on while drinking a celebratory beverage.

Now add "on the Internet" to the story and ya got normally sensible folk can't even make up their mind if this fool is a hero or a villian.  I say it makes no difference except when he gets whacked a little more effort needs to go into covering the tracks.

76

--- Beyond that, though, I have trouble conceiving of assassinating someone for doing what in their minds is the right thing to do, and, from a certain point of view (that is, a certain mode of thinking) is a plausibly right thing to do.

That seems to me to sort of being imposing the death penalty over a difference in philosophy.---

But that argument can also be applied to jihadists who sincerely believe ridding the world of us kuffars is the moral thing to do.

77

Okay, I'll give it to him, it isn't treason.  However, colluding with an American citizen to commit treason is beyond conspiracy, it's espionage.  Tell the Brits:  turn him over to us for trial or any favored nation status that the President hasn't already stripped away will be stripped away, as you are harboring a spy, therefore you are supporting a spy.  Immediately withdraw from all intel sharing with them, etc.

 

We don't shoot conspirators, but we ssure as shit can shoot spies.

78 Don't extradite him to the US, extradite him to Afghanistan.

79
That is useful information and its quite easy to come a croper if you are not vigilant.