1 So, blow them off and keep dredging at the original site. 

Oil everywhere> A local change in Salinity as far as killing off wildlife.

2

Oil everywhere> A local change in Salinity as far as killing off wildlife.

Immaterial. The Bammer administration is determined to maximize the damage from this spill, and nothing's going to stop them.

3 This is what can cause a State to say, "Thanks for all the fish"

4 Can't manage the same thread velocity as Monday.  Right.

5
The Beatings will continue until morale improves.

6 The administration wants to maximize the environmental damage. There is no other explanation for its behavior. For example, 20 of 2000 available US skimmers are in the Gulf. Bambi says no more can be spared.

7

AD,

I agree, keep dredging ... dare them to take you to court to STOP ... 

8

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Department says that the current location of the dredging could change the salinity of the water and do other things to kill off wildlife.

I wonder what else changes the salinity of the water?  Hmmmm.

9 The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Department says that the current location of the dredging could change the salinity of the water and do other things to kill off wildlife.

The man made oil slick won't be nearly as deadly.

10 Posted by: Rob Crawford at June 23, 2010 09:41 AM

They should do it anyways.  I bet the Feds back down.

11 So. The oil surging into the water and washing onto the shore won't have as adverse an effect on the fish and wildlife as a *supposed* change in salinity - which would probably be temporary anyway? Un. Fucking. Believable.

12 Headline: "Jedi Still Looking for Sith Lord"

13 Obama's response to this is magnitudes worse than Bush's to Katrina-- he's now actually standing in the way.

14

So, blow them off and keep dredging at the original site. 

Oil everywhere> A local change in Salinity as far as killing off wildlife.

Posted by: Andrew Jackson at June 23, 2010 09:40 AM (ZESU0)

Don't make me come down there and enforce it man.

15 Oh, sorry, I forgot about Bush blowing up the levees (my bad).

16 I swear its like there is a dope smoking crack pusher running the country.

17 Hard to understand why they would comply.  Start arresting a few Coast Guardsmen  and Fish and Wildlife agents who get in the way and call out the Guard to protect the people building the berms.

Then watch Obama melt down.   

18 Can't manage the same thread velocity as Monday.  Right.

Well, I'm not heading into work until late. Got games to watch, man!

19 The Federal Government is the enemy of the United States. It can not be any clearer.

20 Do you think Obama just hated asian brown people like Bobby Jindal?

21 I am gobsmacked.


Suckers of Cock.

22 This is what can cause a State to say,

"So long and Thanks for all the fish"

Posted by: eman at June 23, 2010 09:42 AM (I8dqF)

FIFY (sorry, the situation really calls for the entire line!)

23 In fact, if you really believe that catastrophic damage will result from following this latest Federal Diktat, then SACRED HONOR* sort of compels you to ignore even a court order, doesn't it.

*Moral Courage, not the Will Folks' valiant attempt to save his marriage by slandering a gubernatorial candidate.

24

This is why Barry doesn't need any engineers or people with practical experience. He just needs Ivy League professors with no real life experience and plenty of a left wing agenda to come up with ideas like this

25
Obama has proven that even during a environmental disaster, political maneuvering trumps everything.

26

Charlie Crist agrees with this move by Obama 100 percent, until he choses not to agree with it.

27

Jindal needs to tell the feds to piss off and do what's necessary to protect the coastline. 

I was going to say "unbelievable" but it's become all too believable with this administration.  I have to agree with other comments that the only explanation is a desire to maximize the damage from this oil spill, especially when you look at all the other actions to date - not implementing the contingency burn plan that's been in place for years, refusing to accept help from other countried, refusing to allow the berms, refusing to allow additional skimmer ships, grounding the skimmers that were sent out, and now this.  It's infuriating and revolting, but not unbelievable. 

28 17, That's a good idea. It is also going to be called rebellion. Watch for MFM reports with pictures of Lincoln and Easy Bake side by side.

29 Tell me, how many divisions does the Fish and Wildlife Department have?

30 It seems as Obama administration will do whatever they can to make it harder for the oil industry and come back in the gulf. I guess they figure if they beat people up enough they will go somewhere for work. I think there is a plan to this impeding the recovery stuff. I don't usually think in conspiracy mode but just too much has been denied or put off until it is too late.

31 Tsssssshit

32 "Start arresting a few Coast Guardsmen and Fish and Wildlife agents who get in the way and call out the Guard to protect the people building the berms." If the Feds don't give up their pissing contest with local authorities, this thing will turn violent. People are getting royally pissed.

33 Obumble proves every day that malevolence and incompetence aren't mutually exclusive.

34
Obama will carry Louisiana in '12 over the weak and ineffective Republican because of his sound ecological stance in the BP oil disaster. 

35 So by the end of next week, this Administration will be actively attacking at least two of the 57 states (Arizona, Louisiana and possibly Florida). With help from Mexico in at least one case.

36 Yeah, easy for you to say.  "Mr. President, Mr. President, why you stoppin them nice Louisiana folks from piling up them some sand?" You are not the one who tops the ball with his wedge ALL. THE. TIME. 

37

I agree with the sentiment that Jindal should just do it and let the Feds start arresting the state people. It would absolutely destroy Obama and would be the right thing to do regardless.

Jindal needs to do what he can to protect Lousiana.

38 Rmember folks; Obama is the great uniter.

39 Gonna get worse before it gets better, I think.

I've got a bad feeling about this.  There's already the mayor and city council in Alabama (I think) that are taking steps to protect the shoreline and have said they will go to jail before they stop.  Jindal's about to cut a bitch.  If I were a person whose property was being affected, I'd double flip off everyone and do whatever I had to do to protect my land.  I have a sinking feeling in gut that we're going to see violence erupt over all of this. 

40

I was going to say "unbelievable" but it's become all too believable with this administration.

You mean you didn't gasp in horror like Kyl's townhall meeting constituents?

Yeah, me neither.

41 Thin skinned Obama will not tolerate self sufficiency from American citizens or responsible governance from our governors!

Boy down to the most corrupt, completely illegitimate constitutional scholar potus, or face the terrible tar baby wrath, economic ruin and the ruin of your entire regional ecology.

Liszt taught that criticism is the best teacher, and he was certainly dealt more defamation than George W. Bush. But when criticism is given in a polite and helpful manner, Obama rants that he doesn't appreciate it. And of course, when Obama is dealt criticism dipped in sarcasm, he is OUTRAGED, as with McChrystal. No wonder he won't supply his educational records, hiding in the dark. Leaders with class deal with problems privately rather than running to the press like the crybaby Obama.

Obama is saturated in dereliction of duty, contempt for the Constitution and American citizens, and overt crimes against nature.

42 This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.

43 This decision just won the Democrats two more House seats.

44 um when is McChystal meeting obama? I thought he was flying in yesterday?

45
Florida is appreciative of President Barack Obama's efforts to control the oil before it pollutes the beaches in Florida. 

I have personally inspected the beaches and found small amounts of oil and a few lovely booties.

46 Umm...yeah. Really, Jindal and the rest of Louisiana just need to tell the Feds to go sit on a spike, and do what they need to do.

47 Somebody needs to put a clip together:  Obama saying he will not rest until this is dealt with, segueing into a montage of him playing golf while Devo's version of 'Workin' in a Coal Mine' plays...

Oh, Lord, how long can this go on?

48 I have personally inspected the beaches and found small amounts of oil and a few lovely booties.

In his defense, those were pretty fine booties. 

49

@42

it's about time someone broke that line out.

50 um when is McChystal meeting obama? I thought he was flying in yesterday?

Posted by: Ben at June 23, 2010 09:56 AM (wuv1c)

Dude, later.  Obama is a busy man.  He's playing 18 this morning and then catching the Nationals get away game this afternoon.

51 52%, stand up and take a bow.

52 Yep, this will not end well. What is really disappointing is Ace arguing for the "goodness" of yet more regulation.  This type of action is the direct result of uncontrolled federal regulatory agencies.

They have reached the point now where they are not accountable to anyone.

53 It's [predictably] infuriating and revolting, but not unbelievable.  Posted by: Insomniac

/Good lyrics for The Audacity of Hope tune.

 

54
In his defense, those were pretty fine booties. 

Posted by: alexthechick at June 23, 2010 09:56 AM (8WZWv)

Looking at booties is a diversion for Charlie Crist.  He's really interested in the swinging Johnson!

55 Darth Obama is trying to foment violence so he can put down the rebellion,

56 Someone should tell Barry it might affect the golf courses down there. He might change his mind on this

57

You mean you didn't gasp in horror like Kyl's townhall meeting constituents?

Yeah, me neither.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at June 23, 2010 09:54 AM (0pYSi)

Anyone shocked by what Kyl said just plain hasn't been paying attention.

58 We need more regulations!  Hire more lawyers and create more oversight agencies in the Federal Government!  Protect Mother Earth Gaia at all costs!  Shut down the oil companies!  Declare Obama dictator for life!  Impeach Bush and Cheney!

59 Is this stupidity, or is this treason?

60

Dude, later.  Obama is a busy man.  He's playing 18 this morning and then catching the Nationals get away game this afternoon.

Tsss Tsss Tsss!

61

Did y'all read the Froma Dipshit column linked at HA yesterday?

She thinks the federal gov't should take over Louisiana. Now.

You know, the opposite of what the facts would lead a sane person to think.

I'll find the link--to HA with the quote, I can't stomach giving her traffic.

62 The rumor that we're just looking for an excuse to nationalize the oil industry is totally false.

63 If the Feds don't give up their pissing contest with local authorities, this thing will turn violent. People are getting royally pissed. Posted by: Bugler

--and left FRANTIC as everything they do is halted by Obama.

Obama demands that we all sacrifice EVERYTHING to make him happy. And everything includes the ground you walk on, the air you breath, the water you drink, and the same goes for all the fish and wildlife.

Problem is, there will never be enough to make Obama happy, even if he has everything, because he is SICK in the head.

64 The Chicago Mob truly is trying to provoke people to start shooting, aren't they.

65
I knew a man-made disaster would create opportunity for the progressive movement, and we got our wish.  Thank you Saul Alinsky.

66 @61

I said that, you dumbass.

67 We need more regulations! --typical idiot leftard

So that government employees will neglect MORE of their job descriptions so that we can enact more regulations so that we will fail to enforce current regulations so that...

68
We are going to annex Key West over this oil spill, and the weak and ineffective Obama will do absolutely nothing.  He's how you say in English........the pussy.

69 Slightly OT but I can't  wait for these same genius bureaucrats to be in charge of my health care.

70 Yep, this will not end well. What is really disappointing is Ace arguing for the "goodness" of yet more regulation.  This type of action is the direct result of uncontrolled federal regulatory agencies.

They have reached the point now where they are not accountable to anyone.
Posted by: Vic

That applies to everyone in government from the top down.

71

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Department says that the current location of the dredging could change the salinity of the water and do other things to kill off wildlife.

Theater of the Absurd Department?  As opposed to oil, which changes he water content of the water. 

72 It's ridiculous. We have no more interest in nationalizing the oil industry than we have in nationalizing the auto industry. What? Oh. Well, never mind.

73 http://tinyurl.com/2chlprc

74 never let a good crisis go to waste... someone said that once.

this is a perfect set up for Jindel and anyone that still believes in some shred of a federal type system.

Jindel needs to order the LA State Guard to continue with construction, and challenge the feds to come and arrest him.

This needs to happen ASAP...

75 What?  No 'unexpectedly'?  From MSNBC....

BREAKING NEWS: New home sales plunge 33 percent in May after homebuyer tax credits expire

76

BREAKING NEWS: New home sales plunge 33 percent in May after homebuyer tax credits expire

GASP!!!11!11!

77
BREAKING NEWS: New home sales plunge 33 percent in May after homebuyer tax credits expire

Posted by: Tami at June 23, 2010 10:09 AM (VuLos)

Absolutely unexplainable and tax credits have nothing to do with the plunge.

78 What the hell about state's rights? 

Cage match:  Jindal - Barky  (Jindal would kick his ass.)

79 It used to be just a conspiracy theory that Obama is destroying America in order to rebuild it in his desired way.  But as the examples accumulate in every single aspect of our domestic and foreign policies, even true skeptics like me must start to wonder if "the nuts" have a point.  It's like he's ripping off a band-aid in order to get it over with or something.

80 Sigh.  They put me in a dress again.  You would think I would have learned from TARP.  At least the cheerleader outfit was sort of cool. 

81 We are going to annex Key West over this oil spill, and the weak and ineffective Obama will do absolutely nothing.  He's how you say in English........the pussy.
Posted by: Fidel Castro

Well, it took pussy Obama to enable the Marxists south of our border to gain war supplies of nuclear weapons and missiles. And the smartass international press remains blind, deaf, mute and shamefully disconnectedly dumb.

JFK is turning over in his grave along with all the other late presidents.

82 This type of action is the direct result of uncontrolled federal regulatory agencies.

They have reached the point now where they are not accountable to anyone.

That and the lack of enforcement of the regulations that exist currently.  Before we go shouting for more, shouldn't we see if the ones on the books were followed?

83 I would say that Obama is trying to start another war of aggression against the South but it is a tossup if has the balls or not.

84 Be honest.  Does this oil spill make my a$$ look fat incompetent?

85 Obama hates sea life.  And cracka shrimpers and fishermen.

86 What the hell about state's rights? 

Time for the states' governors to unite in a lawsuit.

Senators and Congressional Representatives:
Impeach Obama.

87 I swear its like there is a dope smoking crack pusher running ruining the country.

There.  Fixed a spelling error for you.

88 Before we go shouting for more, shouldn't we see if the ones on the books were followed?

Yep I could go with that, plus get rid of all the current regulations written by the politicians and dweebs in the regulatory agencies and have real experts write them.

I almost got into it with Ace on this yesterday but I had made my point earlier about the total uselessness of our regulations and reading his posts I began to see it was a lost cause anyway. 

89

They weren't using the proper building codes - also not union stickered and minority built.

90

 would say that Obama is trying to start another war of Northern aggression against the South but it is a tossup if has the balls or not.

FIFY

91 What the hell about state's rights?

I hate that term. The liberals in the MFM have demonized that phrase. What I like in its place is federal government limitations as described by the real Constitution.

92
You little people should not complain when I spend a few hours golfing, it's the only way I can steel myself for my nightly trysts with Michelle.

93

It should be obvious to everyone now that the administration is actively trying to prevent cleanup on the gulf coast as well as capping the blown well.

"Never let a crisis go to waste," as Deadfish famously said.  He didn't add the end of the saying:  "And if you have to, create one or make it worse."

94
I've had my eye on S E Cupp for quite some time.  She's a real dish, but since she follows the conservative agenda, it's a given she's a lousy lay.

95

GASP!!!11!11!

Posted by: Naive American at June 23, 2010 10:10 AM (0pYSi)

Okay, this naive American finally has to ask...What's with the 11! 111! eleventy thing?

96 I agree with the sentiment that Jindal should just do it and let the Feds start arresting the state people.

Don't forget to make an open call to all media/bloggers with a camera to monitor 24/7 so we can all see video of the Obama's thugs arresting people at gunpoint.

/interesting tidbit... can't find anything about this story on Huffpo. Eyes wide shut I guess.

97 But I have to tell you, I have to tell you, [Senator Obama] is a decent person. And a person that you do not have to be scared as President of the United States.

98 I would say that Obama is trying to start another war of aggression against the South but it is a tossup if has the balls or not.
Posted by: Vic

Start another? The last one never ended politically and economically.

Having already denied constitutional governance from occurring during his administration, what Obama does share in common with Lincoln is the willingness to execute martial law, the draft, and order military forces against US citizens (as now in the Gulf of Mexico) in order to enact Federal Marxism.

Promo: Obama's abuse of every crisis is coming to a neighborhood near you.

99 Just another bad crazy bunch of creationists.

100 O/T  I'm just trying to imagine the dressing down the community organizer in chief is giving Gen. McChrystal right now.  Hey, General, how's that vote for Barky working out for you?

Beck was saying a while ago that Barry has a problem with flies swarming around him at the WH.  No joke.  Brrr. 

101 I'm really starting to wonder if this is how Civil War 2.0 starts. One of these states gets fed up and tells Washington, "We aren't listening to you any more. Fuck off."

102 These Gulf oilbaggers are just nuts. Why, we have no more interest in nationalizing the oil industry than we have in nationalizing the finance industry. What? Oh. Well, fuck me with a stick!

103 Obama is a thoughtful guy who will govern as a centrist.

104 But I have to tell you, I have to tell you, [Senator Obama] is a decent person. And a person that you do not have to be scared as President of the United States. Posted by: John McShame, noted douche

Since the Gulf Spill and news of the Mexican drug lord fortresses built on Arizona hilltops overlooking Tucson AZ, Rasmussen needs to conduct another Arizona Republican senatorial primary poll.

Too bad retiring Congressman Shadegg didn't want to run against McCain on the ballot for the Senate seat.

105 Upscale, I can't stand to see that slide show.  It breaks my heart. 

106 One of these states gets fed up and tells Washington, "We aren't listening to you any more. Fuck off."

Posted by: tsj017 at June 23, 2010 10:25 AM (4YUWF)

Louisianna fired the first, mild shot when they decided to go ahead with these berms in defiance of the federal government (though I'm not clear on whether they were waiting for approval or financing).  But, it was state nullification in spirit, for sure.

107 I'm really starting to wonder if this is how Civil War 2.0 starts. One of these states gets fed up and tells Washington, "We aren't listening to you any more. Fuck off." Posted by: tsj017

Jon Voight's apprehension as well.

Who all read his open letter to President Obama yesterday from Drudge's link?

108 I would say that Obama is trying to start another war of aggression against the South but it is a tossup if has the balls or not.
Posted by: Vic

Start another? The last one never ended politically and economically.

Having already denied constitutional governance from occurring during his administration, what Obama does share in common with Lincoln is the willingness to execute martial law, the draft, and order military forces against US citizens (as now in the Gulf of Mexico) in order to enact Federal Marxism.

Promo: Obama's abuse of every crisis is coming to a neighborhood near you.

Posted by: maverick muse

 

This comparison is sloppy at best, and intellectually dishonest at worst. The Confederacy relied on US officials literally giving over materials and troops belonging to the US. Several abused their positions in the Federal government to help the Confederacy (ex: department of Texas 1861). It seized by force what its sympathisers could not steal. It then enshrined slavery in its constitution. It ordered its forces to fire upon US citizens before Lincoln ever did (Ft. Sumter). Lincoln declared those states as being in rebellion and then gave orders to fire upon people who had renounced US citizenship and who had committed acts of war upon the United States. Lincoln was careful to do so.

109 Obama is a thoughtful guy who will govern as a centrist.

Posted by: Colin Powell, David Brooks, Kathleen Parker, Peggy Noonan, Son of Buckley, Michael Smerconish at June 23, 2010 10:26 AM (ZESU0)

Hello???

 

110 maverick, I read Voight's letter.  It was amazing.  Beck read it on air this morning, wants to get him on to talk about it.

My husband, the most intelligent, level-headed man I know, said a few days ago that he's beginning to fear Barky and his minions will try to create some "emergency" to prevent or postpone the November elections.  And no, he's not a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist. 

111 "Posted by: Blue Hen at June 23, 2010 10:30 AM (R2fpr)" Yeah, baby!

112 "Posted by: Blue Hen at June 23, 2010 10:30 AM (R2fpr)"

Yeah, baby!

Posted by: Maxine Waters

 

Having said all that, bite me Madam Congresscritter

113 Obama is a thoughtful guy who will govern as a centrist.

Posted by: Colin Powell, David Brooks, Kathleen Parker, Peggy Noonan, Son of Buckley, Michael Smerconish at June 23, 2010 10:26 AM (ZESU0)

Hello???

 

Posted by: T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII

 

Did I fail to mention that my center is located in Red Square?

114 Who has more manpower,  U.S. Fish and Game, or Louisiana State Patrol?

The Fish and Game folks can say no all the want. Make them come and enforce it.

115 Vic 10:17

Who in Congress is attempting to get a vote of support for Louisiana and Gulf states to coordinate active response to the gusher ASAP as best they can to avert damage, without Obama's approval?

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.

116 There's one thing in favor of armed insurrection: It certainly focus federal resources on the Gulf.

117 would

118 Posted by: Blue Hen at June 23, 2010 10:30 AM (R2fpr)

Need to go back and study some real history instead of that promulgated by Northern Historians, the MFM, and the History Channel. 

119 What's better, a dead fish covered in oil, or a live fish inconvenienced by a sand berm. hmmm let me think that one through.

120 Jane D'oh @ 10:31

Section 4. The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.

The Congress shall assemble at least once in every Year, and such Meeting shall be on the first Monday in December, unless they shall by Law appoint a different Day.

The Democrats have the electoral process corrupted already to swing false victories without the postponement of prescribed voting days.

Any postponement would likely anger enough independents and Republicans that a reaction may actually be effective to prevent a postponement.

But so long as we expect the worst from Washingtonians, we won't be disappointed.

121 Posted by: maverick muse at June 23, 2010 10:37 AM (H+LJc)

I don't understand your question????

122 My husband, the most intelligent, level-headed man I know, said a few days ago that he's beginning to fear Barky and his minions will try to create some "emergency" to prevent or postpone the November elections.  And no, he's not a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist.

They're not going to cancel/postpone the elections.

They'll just rig them using Acorn and the Black Panthers.

/wish I was joking.

123 These are marshlands and estuaries. Their salinity changes ALL THE TIME with the seasons and even the weather. And FUCK Mitch McConnell. Howzat apology taste now?

124 Well, Obama did say once that he would be happy as a one term president.

Related, I think.

125

Blue Hen, nice of you to try to argue, but while you'll win the argument (have already won it in fact) you'll lose the fight. For most Southern partisans, it's not about historical fact. It's partly pride, but it's mostly about hiding their true nature (as feudalist racists).

126 " It's partly pride, but it's mostly about hiding their true nature (as feudalist racists). Posted by: Zimriel at June 23, 2010 10:55 AM (9Sbz+)" Sheer genius.

127

What did he say that was false?

Posted by: polyverbs at June 23, 2010 10:50 AM (m2CN7)

Everything.

I am not going to argue the point either. I have seen a lot of comments related to the period between the 1850s and late 1800s here and the general impression I get is that 99% of the commenters are brainwashed and know very little about what they are talking about.  Whereas I have studied that part of history literally from childhood. 

A lot of it from people who actually lived through it and either have first hand experience or first hand knowledge from people who directly experienced it.

and BTW, I believe Blue Hen is a "she".

128 This comparison is sloppy at best, and intellectually dishonest at worst.--Blue Hen at 10:30 AM

You might reconsider your opinion. Yes, your data is correct. Note well that you stipulate occurrences at the outbreak of military conflict.

(You do not mention the economic/political NORTHERN BANKING interests influencing Congressional taxes and tariffs penalizing agriculture prior to South Carolina's assault.)

However, my point is simply that the "conclusion" of the war between the states never ended the self righteous Yankee prejudice against Southern whites, particularly "rednecks". Hence my reference to "political and economic" warfare that went on over a century until the unions and neoconservative advancement of China (Nixon's Kissinger, Most Favored Nation) affected the downfall of what is referenced today as the Rustbelt.

/See how unnecessary it is to charge a fellow conservative with dishonesty and/or intellectual dishonesty rather than simply expressing your own perception as it differs from mine?

129 Posted by: Zimriel at June 23, 2010 10:55 AM (9Sbz+)

Yes we are all racists. You sound just like the MFM and the liberals in DC. Get some knowledge and give up the comic books.

130

Bugler: if you make a defence for the Confederacy, then you're making a defence for... the Confederacy. The shoe fits, dude.

131 The correct response is:

Dear Fish and Wildlife Service,

Fuck off.

If you want us to stop, send troops here, but they had better be prepared to start shooting, because we'll have troops of our own waiting.

132 Vic at June 23, 2010 10:44 AM

Wishful thinking, I suppose, that Congress would issue a statement of support for the Gulf states to respond as they can to this gusher--effectively denying Obama their backing for his incompetent abuses.

133 Posted by: Blue Hen at June 23, 2010 10:30 AM (R2fpr)

Need to go back and study some real history instead of that promulgated by Northern Historians, the MFM, and the History Channel. 

Posted by: Vic

 

Gee you're right. The Confederacy never fired on Ft. Sumter. Colonel Anderson never spoke to the Confederate commanders and told them that he would not submit to them, but openly admitted that he would have to surrender in three days time due to lack of supply, and thus they could take Ft. Sumter without a shot fired. The commander of the Department of Texas didn't surrender everything within his jurisdiction, including the troops stationed there. And he wasn't concerned that he was one of the few that could legitimately be tried and hanged for treason.The constitution of the Confederacy never mentioned slavery, except to ban it and give blacks forty acres and a mule. The Confederacy never issued orders to re-enslave escaped slaves or seize other blacks, therefore Robert E. Lee never isued orders to the Army of Northern Virginia to disregard that order.

 

It all becomes clear to me now.

134 "Posted by: Zimriel at June 23, 2010 11:00 AM (9Sbz+)" I really can't respond until I check with my black serfs. I always try to take their views into account.

135

Vic, what are your historical credentials exactly? Which books have you read?

Blue Hen has already laid out the case against you. You've chosen the knowledge you will accept. Arguing with you is a waste of time.

136 Fuck'em, feed'em fish.

137 Vic, what are your historical credentials exactly? Which books have you read?

I am not going to argue with ya'll on this. I have read more books regarding the lead up to the war than most of ya'll here have read books period.

I'll grant you one thing and one thing only. It is pointless to argue with people who have been hopelessly brainwashed.

138 Zimreal:
Throwing the book at him

In the very near future, someone is going to write a book about the Gulf oil spill, like they wrote books about Katrina.

The books about Katrina laid almost all the blame upon Mayor Nagin and Louisiana's (then-Democratic) political class. This information killed the Democrat Party in Louisiana. Those of you outside the Gulf Coast didn't notice because the rest of the country got wowed by Obama's snake-oil.

When the books come out about this disaster, I think that Obama is going to have a problem.

...But I didn't say anything about electoral results or D.C. politics. I said that Obama is going to have a problem. One way or another, the productive class in America - whom we like to call "the Vaisya class" 'round here - is going to decide no longer to believe what the "Brahmins" tell them. Their stance may express itself through the ballot box, or through other means; but it will happen.

Zimre

/reference

139 You've chosen the knowledge you will accept. Arguing with you is a waste of time. Posted by: Zimriel

And the same applies to you, of course.

140

52%, stand up and take a bow.   Posted by: eman at June 23, 2010 09:57 AM (I8dqF)

Just stand up, fuck taking a bow I want a clean & clear shot.

141

What was the point of posting that here, muse? How is it relevant?

142

Well, I guess this is what you get when you elect a guy who's only experience is "community organizing". 

You have to admit, he's got that community organized.  Granted, they're organized against him, but they are organized.

Can anyone even imagine what would have happened if Bush had approached Katrina with this colossal level of incompetence and mismanagement?  And as usual we have a near total blackout of such events from the sycophantic media.

Nope, all we hear is about how Obama is probably the smartest guy whoÂ’s ever been in the White House.  Really?  Could have fooled me.  From where I sit I donÂ’t think this guy could find is ass in the dark with both hands, a flash light, and a road map.

 

143 The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Department says that the current location of the dredging could change the salinity of the water and do other things to kill off wildlife.

Die directly by oil, or indirectly by altered salinity levels. Hmmm.

Decisions, decisions.

144 Friday, June 04, 2010 An update on some personal positions

Organising principles are never pretty. They are the core of a movement, shorn of its outward sham. But they deserve to be taken on their own merits.

Re the neocons: I never could condemn torture. This is partly because I don't care if we "sink to their level", but it is mostly because we'd have to torture ideological opponents anyway. Even if there was no such thing as neoconservatism, we would still have to face ideological fanatics who were immune to reason. As for the human dignity of a Khalid Shaykh Muhammad - he deserves torture; he has worked hard to earn it. Even the anti-neocon Pat Buchanan would pull on his leather outfit if faced with, for instance, Aztlan revanchists who were threatening to bomb his home. I have my differences with neoconservatism; but I endorse its stance on "interrogation techniques".

Re the [Tea Party] paleocons: antiSemitism is something else again. Their principle does not condemn a legal process; it condemns a whole race - neocon or not.

The choice, to me, is clear.

Labels: ethics

posted by Zimri on 02:02

Bugler: if you make a defence for the Confederacy, then you're making a defence for... the Confederacy. The shoe fits, dude.--Posted by: Zimriel

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You fail on your blog site and in this discussion to relay your own historical studies, or even where you were raised or live now. Only clue is your inclination for British spelling, which would infer that your prejudice against the South in America is something you brought yourself based upon international opinion. One thing you do clarify is that consistency is not a virtue in your ethics of principle or personal position. Another thing is your own thin skinned blatant racist prejudicial preferences and readiness to smear and destroy any whom you consider undesirable simply for a difference of perception. Walk a mile in Southern shoes, dude.

Obama would not get away treating the Midwest as he is the South. And that is the point those of us who appreciate Southern hospitality and good manners have been making on this thread.

The South is NOT the Confederacy. Yet the North would keep it so for political and economic advantage.

145 11:21 AM

You are stuck on stupid as a self righteous prick who personally knows squat about Southern culture in America, and would smear an entire region in order to satisfy your own vanity.

"You've chosen the knowledge you will accept. Arguing with you is a waste of time." You can't take your own advice because you've substituted vanity for intellect.

146

Muse, I see.

You assumed that I meant "Tea Party" when I said "paleocon", when I did not - I was referring to the paleocons Lawrence Auster was attacking at Mangan's site and also the net magazine "alt-right". I didn't say anything bad about the Tea Party in those posts.

In short, you deliberately lied about what I said there.

What the fuck, man?

147 Personally I think the discussion has gotten far afield from the feds shutting down State efforts to protect themselves from the spill.

148 it's mostly about hiding their true nature (as feudalist racists)

You've described "progressives," geography irrelevant... Wagyu for the affirmative-action Princeton alumna FKOTUS, oil-coated shrimp for the Cajun/Creole/Vietnamese shrimpers.

149 Somebody grab ahold that asshole who said "Bush hates black people" and ask him how he feels now.

150

Someone here chose to conflate the idiotic actions of Obama with those of Preasident Lincoln at the onset and during the American Civil War. I think that this comparison is ludicrous. I noted that the situation that Lincoln faced was far different, far worse, and yes, that the situation was largely of the Confederacy's making. Even better, contact Governor Jindal and see if he thinks that the comparison is apt. How long do you think that he'd stand for being cast in the role of the Confederacy facing a  Lincolnesque tyrant? It's possible to say that the Federal government is botching this, and doing so badly and in ways that stagger the imagination. We don't need to resort to pro-Confederate revisionist historical narratives to do so.

 

And yeah, I'm a guy. Please refer to the fighting Blue Hens (Delaware Continental Regiment, American Revolution)

151

Well, if the Obama administration can ignore a judge's decision to rescind the moratorium on offshore drilling, the local and state municipalities should ignore the U.S. Fish and Wildlife's order to stop building berms. 

152 Jindal should proceed, and let the feds sue to stop him.  The more press this gets, the harder it is for Maobama.

153 Feds need to be told to go pound sand . . . so to speak . . .

154 "Obama would not get away treating the Midwest as he is the South. And that is the point those of us who appreciate Southern hospitality and good manners have been making on this thread.

The South is NOT the Confederacy. Yet the North would keep it so for political and economic advantage.

Posted by: maverick muse at June 23, 2010 11:28 AM (H+LJc) "

Is Nashville South or Midwest? Cause he pretty much ignored their disaster.

155 The parallel will be more like the second American Revolution.  Kelo was a rip off of Northern property owners.  There is little love for our self-annointed ones among the productive class, whatever their location.

156 The left is always doing this kind of stuff.  When we are at war they do everything they can to tie our troops hands behind their backs making it next to impossible for us to defeat the enemy.  Same with this oil spill.  The left enviro-nuts tie our hands when we try to keep the oil off our shores.  It's as if they hate our country.

157 #116 Blue Hen.  Your history is lacking and you are in denial.  The 80% tariff congress imposed on the South seems to have faded from your memory.  And if the war was to end slavery as some people claim, why a war?  England, France and other countries who ended slavery did not start a war with their people.  The war was not over slavery it was over money.  And Lincon was no hero, well he was to Karl Marx but not to this country.

158

Posted by: maverick muse at June 23, 2010 10:37 AM (H+LJc  --

Theree's already a system in place - Emergency Mutual Assistance Compacts, EMACs, as part of the federal disaster reponse plan.  EMACs can be activated at state level, without federal input.  Also covers National Guard units - governors can swap them around under State control. 

Have to agree that it would be nice if Congress did something to affirm state efforts.  I'm not holding my breath, though.