September 14, 2010
— Ace 1. Coons could always self-implode. There is a small but nontrivial chance any politician will simply blow up. Odds are maybe 2% of that, but it's somethin'.
2. Coons isn't ideologically suited for Delaware himself. He's called a "bearded Marxist" -- he too may be too extreme for Delaware. Thus, we'd have a Republican too far to the right battling a Democrat too far to the left. Not great chances, but not an impossible longshot, either.
3. Coons may not be a great practical candidate, either. Mike Castle just wins elections -- until now -- so when he entered the race no more experienced Republican challenged him. And, I think, no serious Democrat rose to the challenge, either. Just Coons. (In fact, he was unopposed for the nomination -- apparently no one else wanted it, like O'Donnell versus Biden.) So he's not a superman, either.
4. O'Donnell could actually grow as a candidate. She's got a serious amount of work to do, and I don't know if she can do it. But until now she has been entirely on the defensive against attacks from within her party (which is something that has caused a lot of anger among her supporters). Now she's freed up from the constant defenses to do something besides all that. Will she rise? Probably. Enough? Probably not -- but who knows.
5. The Red Wave might even be bigger than we thought. Actually, I don't know about this one, because I was already thinking of an even bigger Red Wave than most people were and even my big Red Wave, in my mind at least, wasn't enough to do the trick. But with a little help from Coons, and a little help from herself... who knows.
If any mix of those above reasons pan out, the O'Donnell backers will look like geniuses, because there is no doubt, we will have traded a very light purple Castle for a very red O'Donnell. That will be some trick, a deep-red Senator in a blue state.
I don't think any of that will happen. That is why I have contended so hard against this, what I think is an emotion-based move.
But.
It could happen.
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Posted by: Dunkirk at September 14, 2010 06:13 PM (ZkQ3p)
Posted by: O'Donnell's Fart Box at September 14, 2010 06:13 PM (goXXw)
Posted by: Purple Fury at September 14, 2010 06:13 PM (uaErf)
Posted by: Christine O'Donnell at September 14, 2010 06:14 PM (Y81Xa)
Posted by: LAI at September 14, 2010 06:16 PM (9d7dC)
Posted by: sum(random) at September 14, 2010 06:16 PM (ZC+8D)
6. Obama
The man is the anti-Midas. He will oppose extending the tax cuts to the upper brackets tooth and nail (he's like the scorpion: it's in his nature). With a big hit in taxes coming, expect small business to cut staff or not hire if Obama is *snicker* lucky. Expect him to flail uselessly and blame Bush.
If O'Donnell can even mouth opposition to Obama loudly enough, she can win it.
As Obama said, "the difference is that this year, you've got me."
(After November he should change his middle name to "anchor"...)
Posted by: Warthog at September 14, 2010 06:17 PM (LmX6h)
Posted by: dick at September 14, 2010 06:18 PM (hT2gO)
Some people are bitching about what Rove said. But Rove was saying exactly what we've been saying all along--that this weird stuff about her would come up before the general.
"Oh, Rove, you just let the cat out of the bag, man. How could you do that to us? Couldn't you have just kept quiet?"
Of course, Rove's points were worsened by Hannities dumb responses: "Well, I never saw anything wrong." Brilliant, Sean.
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 14, 2010 06:18 PM (tkcGj)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 14, 2010 06:18 PM (tkcGj)
Posted by: Idiot primary voter at September 14, 2010 06:18 PM (cxGtL)
Probably is about the same as Markos Moulitsas winning a Senate seat in a deep red state.
Posted by: Jon at September 14, 2010 06:18 PM (Xt7UU)
Posted by: Harry Reid's awaiting retirement plan at September 14, 2010 06:19 PM (goXXw)
As for O'Donnell's not being ready for prime time, think Joe Biden.
Posted by: Sissy Willis at September 14, 2010 06:19 PM (NOoHK)
How much money will it take to even bring her close?
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 14, 2010 06:19 PM (tkcGj)
People voted from their gut and ignored "conventional wisdom".
There's an outside shot we can run the country from this perspective, now.
Really, really, outside.
Posted by: jwb7605 at September 14, 2010 06:19 PM (Qxe/p)
probably not, but certainly possible
Posted by: SantaRosaStan, paker man at September 14, 2010 06:19 PM (dPcmp)
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at September 14, 2010 06:19 PM (2TXoO)
Posted by: ace at September 14, 2010 06:20 PM (KUUXH)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 14, 2010 06:20 PM (tkcGj)
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at September 14, 2010 06:20 PM (dPcmp)
This win in Delaware will have a spill over effect in other races in the general. The tea folks will become more emboldened and fence sitters will join the party to be in the parade in November. Strike up the band!
Posted by: Fish at September 14, 2010 06:20 PM (v1gw3)
Next we're taking out Coburn. That bastard called Nancy Pelosi a "nice women," or "nice lady" even.
He followed up that assertion, which he only made because he hates us non-in-beltway types and likes cocktail parties at the White House (he was said to be "friends" with Obama when they were both in the Senate), with the idiotic question "have you met her?" implying if you had not met the Speaker, in person, you were therefore unqualified to have an opinion of her.
That's LIBERAL logic boys and gals, a paradigm of "can't we all just get along" Washington Insider Good Old Boys (and Nancy) Backscratching with our money but not our best interests, so COBURN NEEDS TO GO.
Right after Demint, of course.
Posted by: fortcww at September 14, 2010 06:20 PM (1ar2x)
Posted by: ace at September 14, 2010 06:20 PM (KUUXH)
Posted by: joe biden Vice-President at Large at September 14, 2010 06:21 PM (goXXw)
Posted by: Zookienie O'Donnell at September 14, 2010 06:21 PM (KsYNf)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 14, 2010 06:21 PM (tkcGj)
Posted by: Steven W. at September 14, 2010 06:21 PM (SxXOu)
Posted by: Wm T Sherman at September 14, 2010 06:22 PM (tm15w)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 14, 2010 10:18 PM (tkcGj)
You sir, are a great American!
Posted by: Sean Vanity at September 14, 2010 06:22 PM (rRlGa)
Negative campaigning between GOP primary candidates pisses me off.
I voted for Buck here in Colorado largely because Norton came out of the gate lying, distorting, and bad-mouthing about him.
I suspect something similar happened for at least some folks in Delaware.
Posted by: Hey.Wheres.Barry at September 14, 2010 06:23 PM (hyP1j)
All I know is Ace was Michael Freaking Barone tonight as far as the spread went.
How are you at picking football games?
Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 14, 2010 06:23 PM (A0VTZ)
I believe everyone is animated about the economy and the massive deficit, and the democrats have a losing hand.
Posted by: Dr. Spank at September 14, 2010 06:23 PM (Y81Xa)
Posted by: ace at September 14, 2010 06:23 PM (KUUXH)
Posted by: Alec Baldwin at September 14, 2010 06:23 PM (81mjT)
Posted by: Yakov Smirnoff at September 14, 2010 06:24 PM (KsYNf)
Posted by: Steven W. at September 14, 2010 06:24 PM (SxXOu)
I sure wish some other folks could grow the stones to show the kind of class you're showing. Both here, and on Twitter.
It's apparently all too uncommon.
Breaking news now: NRSCC will not spend one cent on O'Donnell, per Fox News.
Posted by: GulfCoastTider at September 14, 2010 06:24 PM (cpLVJ)
Candidates down by 10-15 points (where O'Donnell starts tomorrow) generally don't get lots of cash or other support. The Tea Party Express is probably going to have to go in for her, at least for awhile. Money is a finite resources, if it goes to DE, it's not going to NV, KY, FL, AK, MO, OH, etc....
And you can forget about anything but cursory support from the RNSC (so can candidates in NY, OR, etc. It's not personal, just business).
Posted by: DrewM. at September 14, 2010 06:25 PM (ycZcD)
NRSC just said they wouldn't support O' Donnell. Well fuck them too. First they fucked around in Alaska and now they want to take their toys and go home.
I am really starting to hate these elitist fucktards.
Posted by: robtr at September 14, 2010 06:25 PM (fwSHf)
Posted by: ray at September 14, 2010 06:26 PM (hXK0o)
What the hell? The NRSC says it will NOT support Christine O'Donnell, that the $ would be better spent somewhere else, and that they will leave it up to others to support her.
Wow - sore losers! Talk about taking your ball and going home.
That committee needs a thorough housecleaning from top to bottom.
Posted by: Marybeth at September 14, 2010 06:26 PM (RE6N9)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 14, 2010 10:21 PM (tkcGj)
O'Donnell IS the flop; the turn and the river will be Very Interesting Cards
Like having a pair of kings after the flop with an ace on the board.
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at September 14, 2010 06:26 PM (dPcmp)
?
(in fairness, I have never heard O'Donnell, so if she is not, I apologize)
Posted by: ParisParamus at September 14, 2010 06:26 PM (06v7e)
Posted by: GulfCoastTider at September 14, 2010 10:24 PM (cpLVJ)
From what Ive read over the months, I bet their coffers are pretty light as alot of people are bypassing them and going straight to the candidates
Posted by: Sean Vanity at September 14, 2010 06:26 PM (rRlGa)
DeMint has actually said that the person who would be at the top of his list for GOP 2012 nominee, if not for his name, is: Jeb Bush. That's Jeb Bush, big-time amnesty enthusiast.
Therefore, DeMint is indeed clearly a RINO and must be purged.
Posted by: Jon at September 14, 2010 06:26 PM (Xt7UU)
Posted by: Marybeth at September 14, 2010 06:27 PM (RE6N9)
Posted by: ace at September 14, 2010 06:27 PM (KUUXH)
Posted by: ya2daup at September 14, 2010 06:27 PM (0AClR)
Posted by: exceller at September 14, 2010 06:27 PM (Z7Znk)
Posted by: ParisParamus at September 14, 2010 06:27 PM (06v7e)
Posted by: Mongerel at September 14, 2010 06:27 PM (YqWfw)
Indeed. Everything he touches turns to shit. He may just go over there and campaign for his fellow traveller. If the polls tighten enough (they'll tighten anyway) and Coons looks like he's in trouble, the Dems will have no choice but to pour a shitpot full of money into it. This is a prestige race for them, now.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 14, 2010 06:27 PM (Id8Tt)
Now, I fear I must tell them that like Charles (Little Green Footballs) Johnson, people change.
So does our blog reading.
Over,
R
Posted by: currently at September 14, 2010 06:28 PM (tF81f)
I'm going to send $ too, exceller. Rove was a douche on Hannity. I lost a ton of respect for him tonight.
Posted by: Marybeth at September 14, 2010 06:28 PM (RE6N9)
Posted by: the peanut gallery at September 14, 2010 06:28 PM (NurK6)
Posted by: gecsn at September 14, 2010 06:28 PM (D0tcZ)
Posted by: Waterhouse at September 14, 2010 06:28 PM (emKVo)
Posted by: GulfCoastTider at September 14, 2010 06:29 PM (cpLVJ)
>>>>How much money will it take to even bring her close?
this is huge, and no one is talking about it.
If in a week or two, polls show her down 10%, does anyone think the NRSC is going to waste a dime on her?
Look at it this way, are the democrats going to give money to the Alaskan Democratic Candidate? or Blanche Lincoln?
She better have held onto that 5,000 dollars she made last year, because I don't see the republican party spending money on her if she can't close the gap and quick, because there are only 50 some days left.
Posted by: Ben at September 14, 2010 06:29 PM (DKV43)
Posted by: Olliander at September 14, 2010 06:29 PM (j4xgZ)
It's over. The victor has been announced. It is time to work for a win.
It is time to bandage the wounds, get some healing hands laid on, and get back into the battle.
Posted by: Pipe Barackage at September 14, 2010 06:29 PM (Gwfoy)
Posted by: ace at September 14, 2010 10:27 PM (KUUXH)
There is also a thing called a self fullfilling prophicy. The assholes could have waited until the next poll to see what it looks like.
Posted by: robtr at September 14, 2010 06:30 PM (fwSHf)
Posted by: The Josey Wales at September 14, 2010 06:30 PM (uk+WA)
Posted by: Alec Baldwin at September 14, 2010 06:30 PM (81mjT)
Posted by: CAC at September 14, 2010 06:30 PM (lV4Fs)
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NRSCC? What is the NRSCC? I support the Senate Conservatives Fund. And Angle, Paul, Toomey, Rubio, Buck, and now O'Donnell. And the guy from NH with the funny name.
Posted by: Scoob at September 14, 2010 06:30 PM (T7+JL)
Posted by: Olliander at September 14, 2010 06:30 PM (j4xgZ)
That would be great! Hope he campaigns even....it's the sure kiss of death and losing for the candidate.
Posted by: EZB at September 14, 2010 06:31 PM (fa9yq)
I agree, bad move.
Posted by: Dr. Spank at September 14, 2010 06:31 PM (Y81Xa)
Posted by: steevy at September 14, 2010 06:31 PM (fCMcx)
Posted by: Quilly Mammmoth at September 14, 2010 06:31 PM (7rfUg)
Posted by: Dave S. at September 14, 2010 06:31 PM (UvR6d)
Posted by: Dunkirk at September 14, 2010 06:31 PM (ZkQ3p)
It's over, time to move on. If O'Donnell gets off to a decent start in her campaign, she will attract support. She should run to the center since her opponet is far-left. I'm not going to ditch ALL my pragmatism. d;^)>
Posted by: Meremortal at September 14, 2010 06:32 PM (7FgWm)
Breaking news now: NRSCC will not spend one cent on O'Donnell, per Fox News.
I was in favor of O'Donnell so I don't mean "you break it, you buy it" in a bad way. I think it was always going to be the responsibility of grassroots fundraisers to take care of this crop of candidates. Let's be sure to follow through.
Posted by: Methos at September 14, 2010 06:32 PM (9t+rK)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 14, 2010 10:19 PM (tkcGj)
I haven't sufficient knowledge to say, but it depends upon whether she intends to make TV buys in the Philadelphia and Salisbury, MD markets (DE has no stations of its own). Radio works, too (Glen Urquhart used it against Michelle Rollins). A key point here is that it is a small state - you can drive from one end to the other (north to south) in about two hours - so face-to-face meetings can be arranged to cover a lot of ground.
Debates between the candidates may be key, and it's not clear to me whether the Dems would go for them.
Posted by: ya2daup at September 14, 2010 06:32 PM (0AClR)
I am really starting to hate these elitist fucktards.
Is it elitism to want to maximize party gain and not throw away money? Do you really think their problem is that they feel they're better than her? Get serious. Until she shows she has a chance to win, I don't want them throwing money away on her. Send it to Nevada.
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 14, 2010 06:32 PM (tkcGj)
NRO has an article up
O'Donnell has about 20 thousand in cash on hand.
Coons has a million.
I'm sure she get money in the coming weeks, but the Dems will be giving coons cash as well.
it will be a hard gap to close
Posted by: Ben at September 14, 2010 06:32 PM (DKV43)
68 For those who are still harping on this on both sides:
It's over. The victor has been announced. It is time to work for a win.
It is time to bandage the wounds, get some healing hands laid on, and get back into the battle.
Posted by: Pipe Barackage at September 14, 2010 10:29 PM (Gwfoy)
The NRSC, Karl Rove, and sadly even Dana Perrino are digging in. To their detriment.
One good thing about this election cycle - separating the wheat from the chaff will be extraordinarily easy, as these douchebags are now showing their true colors.
Posted by: Marybeth at September 14, 2010 06:33 PM (RE6N9)
How much money do you think the RNSC is going to spend on the two Senate races in NY?
My guess-$135 combined.
It's life when you are down by double digits. This is what you guys wanted, don't bitch about it now that you have it.
Posted by: DrewM. at September 14, 2010 06:33 PM (ycZcD)
Posted by: John P. Squibob at September 14, 2010 06:33 PM (sras5)
And if her brand of conservatism is too extreme for them, well just a minute ago they were arguing that Delaware conservatives should vote for Castle despite his squishiness.
O'Donnell has a hill to climb, but she climbed a mountain to get this far. If the Delaware GOP gets behind her and her national supporters keep backing her, Coons' lead is not insurmountable.
Posted by: lyle at September 14, 2010 06:33 PM (Twbm+)
i could care less about delawhere? but i smile every time a rino gets nut punted. the gop needs to be ripped down, crushed, burned and the ashes nuked. gop or commiecrat they are selling us down the river.
we are all extremists here can't we all get along?
Posted by: evil libertarian at September 14, 2010 06:33 PM (JxrBB)
Posted by: DocJ at September 14, 2010 06:33 PM (AWzOz)
I am becoming very tired of the fat-ass inside the beltway Republicans. Whining about how they will not have control of the Senate now is counting your chickens before they hatch.
It would take at least 56 or 57 Republican senators to have any chance of real control because of the Go-Along-To-Get-Along group that is in there now. All they are looking for is the committee chairmanships and more pork.
Posted by: OldNuc at September 14, 2010 06:33 PM (s/uwD)
How many other candidates that are down double digits does the NRSC support? Are there any other senate candidates even down double digits?
Posted by: Dunkirk at September 14, 2010 10:31 PM (ZkQ3p)
I believe after the win tonight, the gap will close, and the question remains, is she able to close sufficiently to make it a real race? All unknown.
Posted by: Fish at September 14, 2010 06:34 PM (v1gw3)
No. I was. As I said in an earlier thread, if I lived in DE I would've voted for Castle as a purely pragmatic thing. But the level of spewing from both sides on this is ridiculous, and for the DE GOP and now the NRSC to pull the shit they have on one of their own candidates is beyond repulsive. The Establishment is losing its fucking marbles.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 14, 2010 06:34 PM (Id8Tt)
Posted by: Calling all moderates at September 14, 2010 06:34 PM (Snu7z)
I actually worked with Coons in the 90's in private industry. He was smart, quick on his feet, and likeable. His gig was a political liason inside our company dealing with whatever issues we needed him for. He always had great passion for politics and was actually kinda a geek about knowing how each county and precinct voted in our areas of interest. I liked him and I agree with him on just about nothing. All this is bad for O'Donnell. I think he rips her apart if they are on the same stage in a debate. I base this on only what I have seen about O'Donnell in the media and I hope I am wrong - I obviously know him far better than I could possible know her.
On the side of Hope, and besides the red wave that Ace notes, Coons now has a political record. I forget his current job in DE (county executive??), but my friends in DE-MD tell me he has become a pure Dem party line 'bot. I don't know about "bearded Marxist" but he does have some quotes that O'Donnell can use.
Predictions from my friends in DE-MD (conservatives but non-morons BTW) are that Coons wins BIG.
Maybe if I drink a lot I can forget they said that.
Posted by: Will Up North at September 14, 2010 06:34 PM (dPTKW)
This is a race I'm going to directly support. Carl Rove was a absolute disgrace on Fox tonight.
For saying what we've been trying to tell you all week? That she's got issues that will come up? Get real, man.
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 14, 2010 06:35 PM (tkcGj)
Posted by: tsj017 at September 14, 2010 06:35 PM (vOH26)
Posted by: Bob2quarters at September 14, 2010 06:35 PM (tOoQl)
Is it elitism to want to maximize party gain and not throw away money? Do you really think their problem is that they feel they're better than her? Get serious. Until she shows she has a chance to win, I don't want them throwing money away on her. Send it to Nevada.
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 14, 2010 10:32 PM (tkcGj)
Yeah it is elitism, it's elitism for pricks like Carl Rove to trash her 15 minutes after she won. It's elitism for the dipshits at the NRSC to announce publicaly 20 minutes after she won that she is unelectable in their opinion and they won't back her.
Neither of them had to say a fucking word until the next poll comes out.
Posted by: robtr at September 14, 2010 06:36 PM (fwSHf)
Now, I fear I must tell them that like Charles (Little Green Footballs) Johnson, people change.
If you're a big fan of lying, knock yourself out.
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 14, 2010 06:36 PM (tkcGj)
I am perfectly fine with people supporting O'Donnell because they feel that sending the message to the party is worth the Delaware seat. I seem to be the only person that was pretty much agnostic on this race.
Nah. You're just the only one to admit it.
Posted by: CJ at September 14, 2010 06:36 PM (O27Qg)
Sure. Pay no attention to the massive wave of resentment building up out there.
Pay no attention to the once in a hundred-fifty year situation before your eyes.
Pay no attention to two massive rallies in a row in D.C.
Pay no attention to the juggernaut which the restoration / tea-part has become.
No, let's just go with the same.old.strategy.
I don't get it. How freaking hard do we need to be smacked in the face by this before we accept it and revise strategy? It's not that the safe route to power is wrong in most instances. It's that it's wrong in this one instance.
This is not the days of LBJ and Clinton. It's not even the days of Bush. People have had enough. That's a hard, cold reality.
I was against the hammer coming down on McCain in favor of Hayworth because I didn't see this wave as being real. I don't even like the notion Conservative "purity." But I'm not freaking blind.
The data are in.
It's real.
The good news re McCain is that he, like so many, OWES Palin, who has accumulated an unprecedented debt of (of honor, at least) in US history. Hayworth would have owed her nothing.
Posted by: K~Bob at September 14, 2010 06:37 PM (9b6FB)
Posted by: gecsn at September 14, 2010 06:37 PM (D0tcZ)
-Ace
New RNC talking point:
The voters of DE have thrown a tantrum.
Posted by: sartana at September 14, 2010 06:38 PM (2stAV)
Posted by: ryukyu at September 14, 2010 06:38 PM (MOHSR)
Posted by: Quilly Mammmoth at September
Right, because Castle was a Stone. Cold. Lock to win the seat. Keep telling yourself that.
Posted by: Calling all moderates at September 14, 2010 06:38 PM (Snu7z)
but if the "enthusiasm gap" won her the primary it could definitely carry her in the general... polls be damned.
I hope you're right.
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 14, 2010 06:38 PM (tkcGj)
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 14, 2010 06:38 PM (NITzp)
OK, Mr Silver Linings here... but something occurs to me.. This NRSC decision might be a positive.
First off, they deny O'Donnell the money, so the money goes elsewhere. That more money elsewhere is a good thing for elsewhere, so bully for them.
Then in Delaware.... well, O'Donnell is the outsiders outsider. This NRSC decision means she is all in, on being "out". There is simply no question that she is 100% NON-establishment. That is probably the only real thing that will put her over the top in November, and this NRSC decision has now magnified it. She just needs to get some money from the grass roots, and come on.... it's Delaware.
I don't think this is all by plan, I think the NRSC is just running true to form. But I wonder if it could play out to her advantage, even inadvertantly.
You want an outsider, or you want biz as usual? They don't come more outside than Christine O'Donnell, even the GOP establishment will tell you that...so..... the choice is yours and clear.
Might just work.
Posted by: Andrew X at September 14, 2010 06:38 PM (E46Ts)
<just kidding>
not really
Posted by: les grossman at September 14, 2010 06:38 PM (BZEkR)
Posted by: CAC at September 14, 2010 06:38 PM (lV4Fs)
Posted by: steevy at September 14, 2010 06:38 PM (fCMcx)
With Rove's public denouncement of O'Donnell a few minutes have her win, I wonder what dog he has in the race?
Posted by: Fish at September 14, 2010 06:39 PM (v1gw3)
Posted by: davidt at September 14, 2010 06:40 PM (9Pzy7)
The NRSC,
is the really the best we can do?
I don't know of an republican organization more disliked by conservatives. We might as well put soros in charge of it.
Sure it may not be evil, and it may not have turned jews in during the holocaust, but can a party aparatus be so tone def?
If you aren't going to fund her fine, especially if in a few weeks she is down big but keep it on the down low. don't announce it right after she wins. It looks like what it is, sour grapes.
Posted by: Ben at September 14, 2010 06:40 PM (DKV43)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at September 14, 2010 06:40 PM (yQWNf)
Wouldn't that describe Santorum too?
Posted by: 18-1 at September 14, 2010 06:40 PM (bgcml)
Bielat (MA-4) and Hudak (MA-6) declared winners. Dembrowski (MA-7) and Harrison (MA-9, sorry Keith) will probably be declared soon.
Posted by: DocJ at September 14, 2010 06:41 PM (AWzOz)
Posted by: USS Diversity at September 14, 2010 06:42 PM (u3Zi5)
Ace...
Reason #6: Castle throws his weight behind her and endorses her. Does his best to bury the hatchet and ensure that Republicans win the senate.
Odds of this happening? Don't know. Slim maybe. But it would probably be a step that would
a) Help Reason #4
b) Help close the gap in the polls which would...
c) Help convince the NRSC to support her.
Posted by: Ed at September 14, 2010 06:42 PM (Zsqn4)
Not one god damned red cent of my money will go to the NRSC.
These are the same SOB's that supported Charlie Crist over Marco Rubio fer Chrissake!
Better the seat in DE goes to a Democrat than a a pro-choice gun-grabbing RINO. Do we really need another Olympia Snowe in the Senate.
Oh, and suck it Rove. Suck it long, suck it hard. Way to stay classy there Mr. Architect.
Posted by: Nor one god damned red cent at September 14, 2010 06:42 PM (zp3UP)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 14, 2010 06:42 PM (E97ku)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 14, 2010 06:43 PM (1c1AI)
Now, whether they should have come out and said it on election night is another story.
Posted by: Dunkirk at September 14, 2010 06:43 PM (ZkQ3p)
Posted by: Edge at September 14, 2010 06:43 PM (h7kan)
Posted by: Calling all moderates at September 14, 2010 06:43 PM (Snu7z)
That will be some trick, a deep-red Senator in a blue state.
Wouldn't that describe Santorum too?
No. Santorum was a deep socal conservative, in a socially conservative state.
Posted by: Ben at September 14, 2010 06:43 PM (DKV43)
Posted by: Old grizzled gym coach at September 14, 2010 06:43 PM (QBQcg)
Posted by: K~Bob at September 14, 2010 06:44 PM (9b6FB)
Posted by: CAC at September 14, 2010 06:44 PM (lV4Fs)
Oh come on. Let's stay real here. Brown is a very good politician who manages to straddle several voting groups that usually can't be brought together. He's got a great resume and a family out of central casting.
Whatever nice things you want to say about O'Donnell, she ain't no Scott Brown.
Posted by: DrewM. at September 14, 2010 06:44 PM (ycZcD)
Proper attitude is The king is dead. Long live the king. Carl Rove is pissed but his rant on Hannity is not helpful. I guarentee the Dem Party is going to get behind Coons. Will the Blue Blood Republicans.
The turnout for this primary was expected to be 30 thousand. It was 56 thousand, nearly double. This is indeed a big wave. She can win. It can be done. This race is sending the message to Democrat liberals as well as Rino Republicans their days are numbered. We are going to take the House. That is pretty much a done deal. That is enough to stop the crazy shit legistlation and the House controls the purse strings.
Finally, I believe in the next cycle, Democrats have 3 times as many seats going up for grabs as Republicans. We will take control of the Senate next round, if not this one, and Harry Reid has a good chance of being tossed on his ear this round.
Posted by: Ohio Dan at September 14, 2010 06:44 PM (rurh0)
Advantage O'Donnell, the Castle camp either falls in line or further reveals the party poobahs for what they are...
Posted by: ThomasD at September 14, 2010 06:44 PM (21H5U)
That fucking genius Mark Fucking Levin now owns our future. Let's hope the Jackass can lead us to victory.
Wait!
Did someone tell me that the cockholster Levin doesn't _want_ to run the tea party movement? He just wants to _guide_ it?
Gee, thanks you fucking lunger for your help. You are willing to throw the whole thing in to chaos....but _you_ YOU you fucking dreck are above it all?
When it all falls apart I'll pay gold to see Mark Levin ass-raped.
Posted by: Quilly Mammmoth at September 14, 2010 06:44 PM (7rfUg)
The NRSC are a bunch of crap weasels. If Castle had one you know they'd be demanding that all you tea baggers partiers get on board.
Posted by: Iblis at September 14, 2010 06:45 PM (6IL7D)
Posted by: Chris in Va at September 14, 2010 10:40 PM (uCjoj)
Redeemable for Castle Senate 2010 paraphernalia at all Mike Castle's Houses of Win everywhere in The First State!
Posted by: ya2daup at September 14, 2010 06:45 PM (0AClR)
Posted by: Dunkirk at September 14, 2010 06:45 PM (ZkQ3p)
Posted by: ryukyu at September 14, 2010 10:38 PM (MOHSR)
FIFY to reflect the AoS lifestyle.
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at September 14, 2010 06:45 PM (YVZlY)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 14, 2010 06:45 PM (9bOwX)
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 14, 2010 06:45 PM (NITzp)
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at September 14, 2010 06:45 PM (2TXoO)
GET OUT OF MY ASS, YA BIG DOPE!
Posted by: Mark Levin at September 14, 2010 06:45 PM (1c1AI)
Posted by: Chef Mojo at September 14, 2010 06:45 PM (Z2CfR)
Posted by: gecsn at September 14, 2010 06:45 PM (D0tcZ)
Posted by: Carl Rove at September 14, 2010 06:46 PM (nVLlM)
I just think it's a LEEETLE soon for her supporters to do a victory dance, suck each other's dicks, or whatever. She still has to win the general, or this was a waste and the people screaming "RINO" are kind of left with having punished their weak allies and helped their strong enemies.
I think the TEA Party's greatest strength is that it's a "non-party" - it has goals and endorses, but doesn't pit itself as an alternative to any party. It's willing to achieve those goals with help from others.
If the TEA Party becomes a "third party" by telling allies to fuck off, especially in a very loud and very blanket sort of way, it's going to end up like all the other "third parties," in all likelihood.
Personally, I want to see spending and tax rollbacks, so I don't want it to go that way. Also, infighting bores me.
Posted by: Merovign, Strong on His Mountain at September 14, 2010 06:46 PM (bxiXv)
Not after the Karl Rove just slit her belly open on live television on FOX. It was a beautiful thing to see.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 14, 2010 06:46 PM (NjYDy)
Posted by: steevy at September 14, 2010 06:46 PM (fCMcx)
Santorum also lost his last election by 17%. Not something we would want to emulate too often.
Posted by: DrewM. at September 14, 2010 06:46 PM (ycZcD)
The NRSC says it will NOT support Christine O'Donnell, that the $ would be better spent somewhere else, and that they will leave it up to others to support her
I hope the NRSC asks me to send them money.
Posted by: Ohio Dan at September 14, 2010 06:46 PM (rurh0)
Hold yer nose and vote for the GOP primary winner, asswipes. If you're good boys and girls, we'll save you a spot on the winner's bandwagon.
Posted by: les grossman at September 14, 2010 06:46 PM (BZEkR)
Call the Republican candidate's office. Ask them if they known that the NRSC is not going to support O'Donnell.
Then ask them why you should support (vote) the Republican candidate in your state on November 2nd in lieu of the NRSC's actions.
Inform all your moronic, semi-moronic and non-moronic friends to do the same.
That might get each Republican candidate's attention, which may eventually get Cornyn's attention.
Posted by: John P. Squibob at September 14, 2010 06:46 PM (sras5)
If not now, when? If not us, who? If not dicks, what?
Posted by: frak at September 14, 2010 06:46 PM (QcFbt)
Posted by: Chris in Va at September 14, 2010 10:40 PM (uCjoj)
Redeemable for Castle Senate 2010 paraphernalia at all Mike Castle's Houses of Win everywhere in The First State!
Posted by: ya2daup at September 14, 2010 10:45 PM (0AClR)
Hey, you can buy some of my shit. It's not exactly flying off the shelves anymore...
Posted by: Barack Fucking Hussein Obama - prick at September 14, 2010 06:46 PM (YVZlY)
You don't get it. Lib dems from blue state actually think Marxism isn't so bad - at least soft-pedaled Marxism, i.e., corporations are bad so government must keep its boot squarely on its neck, but not so much that it crushes.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 14, 2010 06:46 PM (E97ku)
Moneybomb for O'Donnell anyone?
Not one dime to the NRSC. Pricks.
Posted by: Olliander at September 14, 2010 10:30 PMI'll bet that a money bomb called for by Sarah Palin could raise more in a day than the lameass Beltway Boys in the NRSC could raise in 6 months.
Of course, that means no money for Steele's lapdances
Posted by: kbdabear at September 14, 2010 06:47 PM (vdfwz)
His odds were a hell of a lot better than O'Ds. $85 on Intrade vs. $18 for O'D.
Posted by: Jon at September 14, 2010 06:47 PM (Xt7UU)
Posted by: CAC at September 14, 2010 06:47 PM (lV4Fs)
Posted by: Rocks at September 14, 2010 06:47 PM (ivAmM)
It is now acceptable to suck each other's dicks. At least for the O'Donnell supporters.
Posted by: Mr. Wolf at September 14, 2010 06:48 PM (1c1AI)
Yes, we should try very hard to appeal to their sense of honor, and their massive genetic research grant money pile, and go out of our way to prove we are not inbred.
Posted by: K~Bob at September 14, 2010 06:48 PM (9b6FB)
I'm still spending the money the NRSC sent me a year ago, and I'm going to keep it!
Please send more!
Posted by: Charlie Crist at September 14, 2010 06:48 PM (zp3UP)
No. Santorum was a deep socal conservative, in a socially conservative state.
Posted by: Ben at September 14, 2010 10:43 PM (DKV43)
PA went for Obama by 10 points.
Posted by: 18-1 at September 14, 2010 06:48 PM (bgcml)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 14, 2010 06:49 PM (1c1AI)
Not one dime to the NRSC. Pricks.
There ya go. Die on that Oddonell hill. I will be surprised if she makes it to the general. She is a psycho, people. The NRSC isn't going to support her because she would end up buying herself a house with the money. They are not stupid.
Posted by: judd at September 14, 2010 06:49 PM (H0DfS)
Posted by: steevy at September 14, 2010 06:49 PM (fCMcx)
Lamontagne 43.0
Ayotte 37.1
Posted by: mrp at September 14, 2010 06:49 PM (HjPtV)
1. The Repubs have a slim chance of winning a majority in the senate.
2. Yes Odonnel is inexperienced and is a hard conservative in a blue state but Castle is a left of center Rino 50% of the time he voted with the left, sorry that is not good enough any more that kind of crap is what got us were we are today.
3. Odonnel's nomination regardless if she wins or not in the general will send a message to the statist Republican "leadership" in Washington the message is you are next ass-hat's!
4. Regardless of the outcome of the general GOP "leadership" has to be dumping a load in the pant's and re-thinking the Dimmi crap lite way of doing things that they have been using since 1994 and this is a good thing, I hope and pray they are getting the message loud and clear now.
5. Even if she loses the Conservative/Libertarian wing of the GOP and the Tea party wins for the above reasons.
Yes it would be nice to have control of the Senate but not at the expense of putting up with Dimmi lite compromise's and remember there is 2012 coming up in two years I really believe we will have a conservative majority in the House for sure and control of the White house and Senate in 2012 so imagine both houses filled with real conservatives and a true conservative in the White house!
Posted by: Oldcrow at September 14, 2010 06:50 PM (OvROm)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 14, 2010 10:46 PM (E97ku)
Well, she could push the "he hates women" line against Coons. Liberals do eat that stuff up...
Posted by: 18-1 at September 14, 2010 06:50 PM (bgcml)
Fuck Karl Rove.
Fuck Michael Steele.
Fuck the NRSC.
Fuck the Republican Party establishment. Them especially. The Ruling Class. Fuck them with pitchforks, baby!
Posted by: Chef Mojo at September 14, 2010 10:45 PM (Z2CfR)
And fuck the fucking Diaz brothers????
Bury those cockaroaches?
Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 14, 2010 06:50 PM (A0VTZ)
The NRSC says it will NOT support Christine O'Donnell, that the $ would be better spent somewhere else, and that they will leave it up to others to support her
I hope the NRSC asks me to send them money.
Posted by: Ohio Dan at September 14, 2010 10:46 PM (rurh0)
Hey, I'm ready to make a donation to the NRSC...
Posted by: FAP FAP FAPguy at September 14, 2010 06:50 PM (YVZlY)
We don't need a Senate Majority to change things
Quilly Manmouth-
If Castle wins the primary, the GOP will take over the Senate
Whose the fucking genius again?
Posted by: Calling all moderates at September 14, 2010 06:50 PM (Snu7z)
Adding the disaffected, ie sane, Dems to that GOP turnout plus the 'new' voters who are, again, sane, and want the GOP for the Obama block, and it can be won.
In fact we can sneak right up on them.
In NV, the unions and DNC will pull out any and all stops. in our primary in 08 they tried to stop casino employees from voting
(HRC very liked there). It was one of the first in your face thug cheating moves by Team O and Big Dawg went off about it and MSM laughed at red faced Bill and let the cheating go on.
To keep this seat, they will do ANYTHING.
If the GOP is prepared to go bxlls to the wall and FIGHT in every vote, every single vote, getting IN YOUR FACE with screaming neoprogs and union thugs who are screaming about their rights being violated then go for that one.
I have sent Angle $, and will send O'D $ too, but just IMO you dont want another Al Franken theft and it will be far worse. dont ignore the DE easy SURPRISE! win for the one you will have to fight for even after you win it.
Posted by: mim/ginaswo at September 14, 2010 06:51 PM (Tfz8Y)
Re: Rove, NRSC
We've been talking about these things all week. Rove did nothing wrong. There is not some magivc vodoo juju attached to his answers to Hannity's stupid questions. "Gee, couldn't he have waited until our party is over?' Give me a break. "If only Rove had shut his mouth and the NRSC had agreed to throw money at her while losing Nevada and CT in the process, then everything would be a-okay." You guys are so emotional about this, it's like you're related to her.
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 14, 2010 06:51 PM (tkcGj)
I do have an issue with the timing of their announcement. An argument could be made that it came out to be pushed past the late night news cycle, but it still came on the very day she stole their thunder.
The NRSCC wasn't going to get any money from people likely to support her, anyway. That's an establishment committee, built to promote establishment candidates. If she starts to smell good, the money will flow and we'll see.
Ace is right. She's got a shot. A tiny one, but a shot nonetheless.
Posted by: GulfCoastTider at September 14, 2010 06:51 PM (cpLVJ)
Not after the Karl Rove just slit her belly open on live television on FOX. It was a beautiful thing to see.
Posted by: Jeff B.
Whose side are you on?
Posted by: Dr. Spank at September 14, 2010 06:52 PM (Y81Xa)
Coons leads conservative activist Christine OÂ’Donnell, who is challenging Castle for the GOP Senate nomination in a primary next Tuesday, by a 47% to 36% margin. Given that matchup, eight percent (8%) prefer another candidate, while nine percent (9%) are undecided.
Last month, Coons held a similar 46% to 36% lead over OÂ’Donnell after the candidates were virtually tied in July.
Voters not affiliated with either major party prefer Castle over Coons but favor the Democrat if O'Donnell is his opponent.The Castle-Coons race is close among voters who put the economy first. Coons holds a strong lead over OÂ’Donnell among those voters.
CoonsÂ’ ratings are 13% Very Favorable, 12% Very Unfavorable.
OÂ’Donnell is viewed Very Favorably by 16%, but 24% share a Very Unfavorable opinion of her.
Fifty percent (50%) of Delaware voters approve of the job Barack Obama is doing as president, while another 50% disapprove. This is slightly better than Obama does nationally in the Rasmussen Reports Daily Presidential Tracking PollSixty percent (60%) approve of Democratic Governor Jack Markell's performance. Thirty-eight percent (38%) disapprove.
Posted by: Sekhmet at September 14, 2010 06:52 PM (5gZ0w)
The country went for Obama by 7 points.
PA is a purple state, with a slight (+3) Dem lean.
Posted by: Jon at September 14, 2010 06:52 PM (Xt7UU)
Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head at September 14, 2010 06:53 PM (IlBr+)
Posted by: True Conservative at September 14, 2010 06:53 PM (Ix2zj)
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 14, 2010 10:46 PM
Good to see you are already backsliding.
Posted by: Calling all moderates at September 14, 2010 06:53 PM (Snu7z)
Worst case scenario is an self avowed marxist Senator from deep blue Delaware.
Any chance this might cause voters in a purple state to re-consider their support for a 'moderate' democrat next time around?
Posted by: ThomasD at September 14, 2010 06:53 PM (21H5U)
Posted by: steevy at September 14, 2010 10:38 PM
Go back and thread search for curse words. See who's being emotional. Don't bother to report back.
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 14, 2010 06:53 PM (tkcGj)
22.9% in (yep - 3-hours after the polls close and less than 1/4 of the vote counted)
Ovide: 42.1%
Ayotte: 37.1%
Posted by: DocJ at September 14, 2010 06:54 PM (AWzOz)
Posted by: CAC at September 14, 2010 06:54 PM (lV4Fs)
Dear Establishment 'Republican' Elites:
CAN YOU HEAR US NOW?
Yours truly,
The great unwashed conservative clingers and other assorted down to earth types here in fly over country.
Posted by: jakee308 at September 14, 2010 06:54 PM (WZeLK)
Posted by: robtr at September 14, 2010 06:54 PM (fwSHf)
Posted by: steevy at September 14, 2010 06:55 PM (fCMcx)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 14, 2010 10:51 PM (tkcGj)
Does intimate count as being related?
Posted by: Will Folks at September 14, 2010 06:55 PM (YVZlY)
Posted by: Ohio Dan at September 14, 2010 06:55 PM (rurh0)
it will be a hard gap to close
Posted by: Ben at September 14, 2010 10:32 PM (DKV43)
Yes... that should be point #6 on Ace's list. It's a distraction that they hadn't counted on when Castle was a shoo-in.
Posted by: Gran at September 14, 2010 06:55 PM (kmmbv)
The vitriol from our own side is unbelievable.
I am seeing either trolls, or lurkers coming out of the wood work just to rub it in.
We're on the same fucking side here people.
I don't know of one person on this blog, commentor or blogger who wanted Castle to win because he was more conservative or the better ideological candidate. th
Stop fucking acting like we were back stabbing you or we are part of some grand conspiracy to keep conservatism down.
You have to understand that there are some of use conservatives who are resigned to the fact that there are some battles we can't win and there are some minds we can't change.
I love conservatism, but i don't harbor some wet dream that everyone who understands conservatism will convert to it. I understand that there are some people who are as die hard in their beliefs as i am in mine. And I understand there are some states where those people outnumber us by so much that it would be impossible to have a Joe Miller or Marco Rubio win there.
How can you gloat? This is like rubbing a family members face in the dirt over a minor disagrement. A disagreement with the same goal in mind. Those of us that supported Castle did so because we thought it would best serve the republican and conservative movement. Those who opposed wanted the same goal but supported O'Donnell for the same reason.
I better understand why Ace gets pissed sometimes at people. Some people are just pugnacious for no reason. They have some sort of complex that they think everyone is against them at all times.
If you think the bloggers here, or most of the commenters are here are elitists, then have fun winning elections by yourself. They already have parties for people like you. They're third parties. If you want nothing but principle ALL the time with no consideration of political reality then become a Libertarian. They are great at being principled and losing every election.
I will support O'Donnell because I want republicans to control the senate. I want conservatives to control the congress. I just thought Castle would be an easier war to acheive that.
Why can't people accept that on good faith.
Posted by: Ben at September 14, 2010 06:55 PM (DKV43)
Well she just came pretty close with Karl Cameron.
She said: paraphrasing "those fucktards don't have much of a winning record right now"
Hell I might even send her money.
Posted by: robtr at September 14, 2010 06:56 PM (fwSHf)
The guy cackling about Rove slicing O'Donnell's belly open sure sounds like the cool voice of reason.
Posted by: Waterhouse at September 14, 2010 06:56 PM (emKVo)
I love it when a large section of the American public tell the elites to go and stick it! It just brings a smile to my face and I wish my Daddy were alive to see it.
Posted by: Cooper at September 14, 2010 06:56 PM (uPgdc)
Posted by: SUzy at September 14, 2010 06:56 PM (bFDng)
Posted by: Chris in Va at September 14, 2010 10:55 PM (uCjoj)
Same here. Especially after losing out on the Chargers /Chiefs gaame last night.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 14, 2010 06:57 PM (A0VTZ)
Both sides have been emotional.
Posted by: Dr. Spank at September 14, 2010 06:57 PM (Y81Xa)
Posted by: True Conservative at September 14, 2010 10:53 PM (Ix2zj)
This. Her campaign manager claims that the NRSC is manupulating rasmussen to give her bad poll number yet her supporters are surprised that same organization might be unwilling to give her money.
Posted by: Dunkirk at September 14, 2010 06:57 PM (ZkQ3p)
I do not recognize some of the trolls, which means that Axelrod's toadies are here trying to cause trouble.
Close the ranks.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 14, 2010 06:57 PM (rNJC9)
No. Santorum was a deep socal conservative, in a socially conservative state.
Posted by: Ben at September 14, 2010 10:43 PM (DKV43)
PA went for Obama by 10 points.
Pa is a socially conservative state. believe me. and america went for obama by 7.
In PA our democrats are pro gun and pro life. Most of them are endorsed by the NRA over the republican candidates.
It is a catholic state, but pro union when it comes to economics.
Posted by: Ben at September 14, 2010 06:58 PM (DKV43)
Posted by: Jon at September 14, 2010 10:52 PM (Xt7UU)
I see +2 in 04 (a good Rep year) and +5 in 00. So probably a little more then +3, , but not as bad as I had thought.
Posted by: 18-1 at September 14, 2010 06:58 PM (bgcml)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 14, 2010 10:46 PM (E97ku)
People just don't really get what is going on this year. This is the results from a poll taken awhile back for the Himes-Debicella race in CT. It's only one poll and it's a month old but look at the internals. The only thing liberal or even moderate that gets over 50% support is Pro-Choice at 60%. 40% of the people in the poll consider themselves Conservative. Only 23% said the same for liberals. 42% consider themselves republican, 41% say the same for Dem. 44% say they support the Tea Party. IN CONNECTICUT.
If Coons wins it will solely be because of character. NO ONE wants these liberal policies.
Posted by: Rocks at September 14, 2010 06:58 PM (ivAmM)
Posted by: Chef Mojo at September 14, 2010 10:57 PM (Z2CfR)
Lay off the coke Tony.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 14, 2010 06:58 PM (A0VTZ)
Cut it with the sour grapes. Pick up some bandages and get to healing. We got a lot of bodies to repair and send back out to the line.
Posted by: Pipe Barackage at September 14, 2010 06:58 PM (Gwfoy)
But realistically, absent a Coons collapse and self-immolation - the Marxist remark was in grad school - the only chance is that the red wave turns into a tsunami, and then the seat won't matter so much anyway. Not very much chance of this, either.
O'Donnell checked the right boxes on the conservative questionnaire and everybody ignored the hot chick's obvious shortcomings as usual, but this was a closed Republican primary, a small fraction of the Delaware electorate who will likely not be so forgiving of the serial lying and the financial shenanigans.
If she loses and we miss taking the Senate by one vote, those who engaged in this jihad must be held accountable for every single judge passed out of the Judiciary Committee by Chairman Leahy that Chairman Sessions would have blocked.
And that could be a lot of judges.
Posted by: Adjoran at September 14, 2010 06:58 PM (VfmLu)
Posted by: Dave S. at September 14, 2010 06:59 PM (UvR6d)
I support O'Donnell now too, but you frothing asswads are intolerable. You're bitching about the very things we said were going to be a problem with O'Donnell. Now deal with it.
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 14, 2010 06:59 PM (tkcGj)
Correction: a principle-based move for the good of the country.
Posted by: Meghan Reinhardt at September 14, 2010 06:59 PM (I+GeI)
Posted by: CAC at September 14, 2010 06:59 PM (lV4Fs)
Same here. Especially after losing out on the Chargers /Chiefs gaame last night.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 14, 2010 10:57 PM (A0VTZ)
Blame it on the rain...
Posted by: Milli Vanilli at September 14, 2010 07:00 PM (YVZlY)
I think this entire episode has also been illuminating who in the conservative movement are dicks, idiots and assholes with a hint of facism. Those are Mark Levin, Jim Hoft/Palin and a not insignificant minority of tea partiers respectively.
I hope O'Donnell wins but I'm fear we've just thrown away a seat (as opposed to a place like NH where I'm more confident and happy with the Ayotte alternative).
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 14, 2010 07:00 PM (RC7LR)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 14, 2010 07:01 PM (rNJC9)
Posted by: Damiano at September 14, 2010 07:01 PM (PA722)
Not after the Karl Rove just slit her belly open on live television on FOX. It was a beautiful thing to see.
Posted by: Jeff B.
Whose side are you on?
Posted by: Dr. Spank at September 14, 2010 10:52 PM (Y81Xa)
He's an admitted, enthusiastic Kirk-supporter.Posted by: Methos at September 14, 2010 07:02 PM (9t+rK)
Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head at September 14, 2010 07:02 PM (IlBr+)
Posted by: CAC at September 14, 2010 07:02 PM (lV4Fs)
No reaching across the aisle
No retreat
Crush the dem libtards and their libard RINOs
Posted by: TexBob at September 14, 2010 07:03 PM (7cXE7)
Uh, yeah?
C'mere a sec. I got the inside scoop!
Yeah?
She's certfiably insane. Crazy as a bag of rusty springs.
Nuts! I know!
Are you like a doctor or somethin'?
No. I just know. You know?I read it somewhere.
Posted by: K~Bob at September 14, 2010 07:03 PM (9b6FB)
Neither party blocks judges very often, especially republicans. There are too many repubs willing to cross the aisle.
Posted by: Dr. Spank at September 14, 2010 07:03 PM (Y81Xa)
Primary season is fun, isn't it?
Posted by: Cooper at September 14, 2010 07:03 PM (uPgdc)
Posted by: Spike at September 14, 2010 07:03 PM (WLxeI)
This is no doubt as true as death and still I say close the fucking ranks already.
Posted by: MissTammy at September 14, 2010 07:04 PM (m8uUu)
I want the GOP to act like they have a pair, and fucking fight for once. Fight for the ideals that WE are supposed to believe in. Hell they don't even have to fight for all of them, just some of them.
I really did want the call to be made to go to the mattresses over Obamacare. I wanted them to go hoarse filibustering it. I wanted them to throw things in the chamber, and get into fistfights over it. Hell as a group that shares the same ideals that I do, they should have wanted to do that as well.
What did they do instead?
This is why there is a TeaParty, and this is why some noname won in DE tonight.
Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at September 14, 2010 07:04 PM (uztAS)
Go over the top much? It was an election. You win some, you lose some. Close the ranks.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 14, 2010 07:05 PM (rNJC9)
Cut it with the sour grapes. Pick up some bandages and get to healing. We got a lot of bodies to repair and send back out to the line.
If you'd bother to read back, I've been responding to the stupid dwelling on Rove and the NRSC, as if she's been dealt some kind of blow, something we didn't know about yesterday.
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 14, 2010 07:05 PM (tkcGj)
There's been an lot of people who said it doesn't matter. That getting O'Donnell in is the goal.;
Now go win with it.
Truth is we're fucked. Without the legislative ability to bring new law we are screwed.
But thank Fucking God a RINO lost. You stupid fucks.
Posted by: Quilly Mammmoth at September 14, 2010 07:05 PM (7rfUg)
Candidates down 13 points don't get a lot of love.
Choices, consequences, etc.
Posted by: DrewM. at September 14, 2010 07:05 PM (ycZcD)
Posted by: Chef Mojo at September 14, 2010 07:06 PM (Z2CfR)
Posted by: CAC at September 14, 2010 07:06 PM (lV4Fs)
Here's a thought: where the fuck are the NSRC RNC on candidate recruitment? If Castle was an unreliable RINO unacceptable to the conservative base, and O'Donnell has character issues that might turn off general election voters, how did we get to this point?
There were no GOP state legislators acceptable to both wings with no character issues? No mayors? No well-known, well-regarded businessmen?
Why isn't there a pipeline for prospective nominees?
Posted by: LibertarianJim at September 14, 2010 07:06 PM (86FvD)
Posted by: Dan at September 14, 2010 07:06 PM (1jzSs)
You really think Castle was going to vote to repeal ObamaCare? Vote against Cap and Rape?
Posted by: MissTammy at September 14, 2010 07:07 PM (m8uUu)
Some WI primary results:
Republican-US Senate: Ron Johnson (discussed on this blog recently and will run against Feingold) has got about 85% of the vote and is the winner
Republican -WI 7th district (fucking Obey's seat) - Sean Duffy has ~65% and will win - Sean is a young gun wannabe mentored by Paul Ryan - I like him a lot
Republican-Govenor: Scott Walker 57% to 41% over Mark Neuman; IMHO Walker is our best candidate
In this moron's area - all is well.
Posted by: Will Up North at September 14, 2010 07:07 PM (196B4)
Posted by: Dr. Spank at September 14, 2010 11:03 PM (Y81Xa)
We had control of the Senate and the White House and got fucked by McCain and his Gang of 14. This is why I don't give much of a crap about the judiciary committee right now.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at September 14, 2010 07:07 PM (2TXoO)
Next thing you know the tea partiers will be crying when the NRSC says they won't fund the guy who Joe Millers Rick Lazio.
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 14, 2010 07:08 PM (RC7LR)
Frankly, it's not like it would be the first time someone claimed to be a TEA Partier who turned out to be shilling for the other side.
Posted by: Merovign, Strong on His Mountain at September 14, 2010 07:08 PM (bxiXv)
Some people woke up the next morning, heard the news, and were all, "They actually went though with that? WTF? That's pretty ballsy. This shit might work"*
I don't think that the normal rules are going to apply for the next few years.
Don't think we have seen this particular mixture of emotions in the common man in (at the very least) my lifetime. People are fired up and going to make an event out of voting this year.
And after another Obama Christmas with slim pickings under the tree, you can bet your bollocks to a barn dance that people will be fired up through 2012.
Nobody like telling little Finn and Sally that they can't have GI Joe w/ Kung Fu Grip because there is a fucking punk-ass communist retard in the White House.
*not actual quote from a Bostonian of 1773.
Posted by: sifty at September 14, 2010 07:08 PM (nKomG)
Posted by: DrewM. at September 14, 2010 07:09 PM (ycZcD)
Posted by: MissTammy at September 14, 2010 11:07 PM (m8uUu)
Im sure Obowma was eagerly waiting to sign those too
Posted by: Lt.Kilgore at September 14, 2010 07:09 PM (rRlGa)
Agree completely Ben.
We as Conservatives should have one overriding goal this election -- reduce the control of government over our lives. Some of us (me included) believe that Republicans taking back the Senate and the House best achieves that goal. Further, some of us (me included) believe Mike Castle (for all his many, many flaws) best enabled us to do that. Some may say that is putting political considerations over principles, but as this is a race for political office in which people less Conservative than the typical O'Connell voter will have a say, I think we may want to pay attention to political considerations from time to time.
I realize that Castle is more liberal than O'Connell, but I also realize that Coons is more liberal than both Castle and O'Connell. I believe O'Connell wining the Del. Rep. primary will result in a less Conservative Senate as the chances of her winning are, at present, slim.
I think people can, in good faith, differ from my reasoning. I can disagree with their tactical judgment, but I am not going to impugn their sincerity or devotion to Conservative ideals.
But if folks start casting Karl Rove, Charles Krauthammer, Ace, the National Review, Powerline, Chris Christie into the outer darkness as "RINOs", I think the chances of continued Democratic control of government (and our lives) will increase tremendously.
Posted by: nc at September 14, 2010 07:10 PM (eRsMQ)
Posted by: MissTammy at September 14, 2010 11:04 PM (m8uUu)
Indeed - to paraphrase, you go to battle with the forces you've got, not the forces you wish you had.
The DE voters decided to go with the longshot, to the extent that we have any effect, we should be trying to not make those odds any longer.
Posted by: 18-1 at September 14, 2010 07:10 PM (bgcml)
Like the man said, at least once, close ranks.
Posted by: K~Bob at September 14, 2010 07:10 PM (9b6FB)
I forgot the part where Mike Castle would grant the ability to override a veto. Get real, this election is all about putting a clamp on the femoral stab the donks have hit the country with until 2012. Overreactive and shrill is no way to go through life, son.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 14, 2010 07:10 PM (rNJC9)
I'm not going to defend the NRSC's choice of timing but you know, we did discuss this earlier.
Candidates down 13 points don't get a lot of love.
Choices, consequences, etc.
I got NRSC money and am donw 13 points...
Posted by: Charlie Crist at September 14, 2010 07:11 PM (zp3UP)
Posted by: mrp at September 14, 2010 07:11 PM (HjPtV)
Posted by: Your Esperanto tutor at September 14, 2010 07:12 PM (9b6FB)
Posted by: Beth at September 14, 2010 07:12 PM (5NfIh)
Posted by: DrewM. at September 14, 2010 11:09 PM (ycZcD)
She's better off running against those crapweasles anyway.
Like she said on Fox tonight. "They don't have much of a winning record"
Posted by: robtr at September 14, 2010 07:12 PM (fwSHf)
Do you fucking morons not understand that regardless of who won in Alaska that a Republican would win? And that doesn't equate to Delaware?
I'm so fucking sick of Levin and Riehl and the rest. Doctrinaire despots the lot of them.
Good luck on changing the "course" douche bags!
Posted by: Quilly Mammmoth at September 14, 2010 07:12 PM (7rfUg)
Here's a thought: where the fuck are the NSRC RNC on candidate recruitment? If Castle was an unreliable RINO unacceptable to the conservative base, and O'Donnell has character issues that might turn off general election voters, how did we get to this point?
There were no GOP state legislators acceptable to both wings with no character issues? No mayors? No well-known, well-regarded businessmen?
Why isn't there a pipeline for prospective nominees?
Posted by: LibertarianJim at September 14, 2010 11:06 PM (86FvD)
I'd drink to that with some Valu-Rite, if I weren't on pain meds
Posted by: Sekhmet at September 14, 2010 07:12 PM (5gZ0w)
Posted by: Terrye at September 14, 2010 07:13 PM (UYcqZ)
Posted by: Teransolo at September 14, 2010 07:14 PM (Elf3M)
...it's chess, and the true Conservatives have finally managed to get a couple of queens onto the board (Angle/O'Donnell). Yes, Castle/Lowden were clear shoe-ins to win their respective senate seats, and we would have had more McCain clones to contend with. But what the Tea Party members know and the GOP establishment (and by extension, the Left) does not, is that this is the time to nut up or shut up. If real serious conservatives don't get elected this November, then the country will swing way left; dragging its citizens with it. The voters aren't dumb, they just don't have time to get into the soap operatic shenanigans of those inside the beltway. Here in Nevada, the issue isn't about electing Angle, it's about getting rid of Reid by any means necessary. In Delaware, Coons might as well be Biden, because it's Biden's seat, and he might as well be Obama. There is as much hatred in Delaware for Biden as there is for Reid out here. That hatred is the factor that will give Angle and O'Donnell their respective senate seats. That and the fact the media don't much care for Reid or Biden either, so the hit pieces will be left to the local newspapers; The Vegas Sun has already pulled out their big guns...there's nothing left on Angle to sink her. O'Donnell's secrets are all out as well, and they aren't really all that unpalatable. Coons has no chance. Delaware doesn't care who is running for Biden's seat, all Delaware knows is they don't like Joe, and it's him they'll be voting against.
Posted by: g at September 14, 2010 07:14 PM (gU6mL)
Horseshit.
Without a veto proof majority we have zero ability to bring new law.
If the Senate is up for grabs then the House is already ours. But either way all we can ever hope to do is pass bills. Bills that will then get vetoed by Obama.
O'Donnell or Coons, it doesn't matter, neither will change that equation. And either way the seat is back up for grabs in 2012, along with the real prize.
Posted by: ThomasD at September 14, 2010 07:14 PM (21H5U)
Obama is doing about the same as Bush all things considered.
Posted by: Dr. Spank at September 14, 2010 07:14 PM (Y81Xa)
I said I was done talking about Delaware till the primary.
I'm an O'Donnell fan now just like I'm and Angle fan. Frankly, she's not the type of person I would pick to represent anybody in the senate but she damn sure is a million times better than Coons or any Biden clone.
I won't give any money to her (not that any senate candidate cares too much about the 20's I'm sending anyway) but that's more of a strategic decision as opposed to a grudge. I hope the O'Donnell partisans will cut her checks though instead of whining about the NRSC.
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 14, 2010 07:14 PM (RC7LR)
Posted by: K~Bob at September 14, 2010 07:15 PM (9b6FB)
That's because people like those saying she doesn't have a chance to win won't get up off their butts and actually, you know, do some canvassing or come in from out of state to actually work on the campaign.
You don't win things by sitting on your ass, while listening to Badfinger's album "Ass", staring at Inez Sainz's ass, and eating boiled assholes in a casing (also known as a hot dog). If you build it, they will come...and if you add Christina Hendricks' boobs to the mix, then they will really...*static*
Posted by: Pipe Barackage at September 14, 2010 07:15 PM (Gwfoy)
Do you fucking morons not understand that regardless of who won in Alaska that a Republican would win? And that doesn't equate to Delaware?
I'm so fucking sick of Levin and Riehl and the rest. Doctrinaire despots the lot of them.
Good luck on changing the "course" douche bags!
Posted by: Quilly Mammmoth at September 14, 2010 11:12 PM (7rfUg)
How many more times are you going to beat that fucking horse?
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at September 14, 2010 07:15 PM (YVZlY)
On the other hand, the OR people in Coons campaign must feel like Christmas came early.
Posted by: GT at September 14, 2010 07:15 PM (Vyrg6)
The line for moby lib trolls to suck my cock starts to the left of the potted ficus.
Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at September 14, 2010 07:16 PM (uztAS)
Too much. Sarah Palin, Jim DeMint and Tea Party Express can pick up the tab. Republicans should write this one off.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 14, 2010 07:16 PM (mHQ7T)
You really think Castle was going to vote to repeal ObamaCare? Vote against Cap and Rape?
Posted by: MissTammy at September 14, 2010 11:07 PM (m8uUu)
I'm of the school of thought that says that squishes squish in the direction of power. If we're surrounding the RINO with a lot of conservatives, he's gonna squish in a more conservative direction.
Posted by: Sekhmet at September 14, 2010 07:16 PM (5gZ0w)
Folks said, "nah, we don't like it! We want the expensive one over there instead".
The NRSC said, "fine but you'll have to pay for it yourself".
People are now saying "fuck you! Buy me what I WANT".
Sorry, world doesn't work that way.
Posted by: DrewM. at September 14, 2010 07:16 PM (ycZcD)
Posted by: Teransolo at September 14, 2010 11:14 PM (Elf3M)
Good for her, nobody likes those pricks anyways. Less so in Deleware.
Have Palin and Levin help her raise money and run against the fucktards in D. C.
Posted by: robtr at September 14, 2010 07:17 PM (fwSHf)
Posted by: currently at September 14, 2010 07:17 PM (tF81f)
You and whoever the hell Chef Mojo is are bringing Joe Biden-weight material to the discussion.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 14, 2010 07:17 PM (rNJC9)
She also needs a handler tout de suite to help control the crazy in her that comes out at the wrong time.
Posted by: MissTammy at September 14, 2010 07:17 PM (m8uUu)
Posted by: Chef Mojo at September 14, 2010 07:17 PM (Z2CfR)
I know: Why don't you fuckwits go start your own party? That'll fucking work...in your delusional minds.
Jeebus, the whole potential for winning is going to be lost to Bubba and his coontick.
Posted by: Quilly Mammmoth at September 14, 2010 07:17 PM (7rfUg)
Giggle.
Posted by: sifty at September 14, 2010 07:18 PM (nKomG)
Nah, the Beltway GOP pretty much are the third party at this point. They just don't want to admit it yet.
Posted by: Methos at September 14, 2010 07:18 PM (9t+rK)
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 14, 2010 07:18 PM (RC7LR)
Posted by: gecsn at September 14, 2010 07:18 PM (D0tcZ)
There has been talk of a third party because the of Republican party backing guys like Christ, Spector and the Main Sisters. If we don't take the Senate so be it. The biggest down side to that is appointment of judges. Stay health Conservative Judges on the supreme court for 2 more years!
This election of Tea Party candidates in the primaries may just be what staves off a third party.
Posted by: Ohio Dan at September 14, 2010 07:19 PM (rurh0)
The tea party made it clear they hate the RNC, NRSC and NRCC when the donations dried up. Hey, give directly to the candidate like you said you were planning on doing. The people who paid into the party, the "establishment," have a say in where their money is spent.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 14, 2010 07:19 PM (mHQ7T)
Posted by: Quilly Mammmoth at September 14, 2010 07:19 PM (7rfUg)
he didn't initially want to run, he wanted to retire.
Follow-up question -- did he run less hard in this race because of that? I'm not in Delaware, and candidly, I found the infighting on this board off-putting.
Posted by: LibertarianJim at September 14, 2010 07:19 PM (86FvD)
You've convinced me, lets throw in the towel, that's the attitude that will win the Senate.
Posted by: Dr. Spank at September 14, 2010 07:19 PM (Y81Xa)
Posted by: sifty at September 14, 2010 07:19 PM (nKomG)
And that is what scares me... crazy always finds a way to manifest itself. See: Dean, Howard.
Posted by: GT at September 14, 2010 07:19 PM (Vyrg6)
People are now saying "fuck you! Buy me what I WANT".
Sorry, world doesn't work that way.
Posted by: DrewM. at September 14, 2010 11:16 PM (ycZcD)
Strawman much? Most people were saying that if the assholes didn't want to back her don't run to the nearest microphone and say she unelectectable. Keep it to yourself.
She can use it to her advantage anyways. Those idiots have lost every primary they have gotten involved in.
Posted by: robtr at September 14, 2010 07:19 PM (fwSHf)
Posted by: Truman North at September 14, 2010 07:20 PM (HLGCA)
Posted by: Your Esperanto tutor at September 14, 2010 11:12 PM (9b6FB)
Darnit, now I have to memorize everyone's hashes.
Posted by: Merovign, Strong on His Mountain at September 14, 2010 07:20 PM (bxiXv)
Candidates down 13 points don't get a lot of love.
Choices, consequences, etc.
Posted by: DrewM. at September 14, 2010 11:05 PM (ycZcD)
Point taken. But the galling part is the way they rubbed her face in it. They don't want to give her money? Fine. Tell her that privately when she asks for it. Not in the middle of her acceptance speech.
Yeah, she a bunch of points down. But they shouldn't be trying to KEEP her down. If she can rise on her own, great. But the NRSC can't go arround actively sabotaugeing her.
Posted by: Ed at September 14, 2010 07:20 PM (Zsqn4)
Can we talk about the economy now?
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 14, 2010 07:20 PM (rNJC9)
In the 60's, California elected REAGAN as its governor. In 1980, California was still a battleground state. Hayakawa was pretty right-wing for California, but it's not comparable to him hypothetically winning California in 2010.
Neither party blocks judges very often, especially republicans. There are too many repubs willing to cross the aisle.
Posted by: Dr. Spank at September 14, 2010 11:03 PM (Y81Xa)
"We
had control of the Senate and the White House and got fucked by McCain
and his Gang of 14. This is why I don't give much of a crap about the
judiciary committee right now."
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at September 14, 2010 11:07 PM (2TXoO)
The dynamic is completely different. A Senate Judiciary chairman just isn't going to put the brakes on the nominees of a president of his own party. But you can bet your ass Sessions would do absolutely everything to stop Obama from filling the federal bench with yet more lefty scumbags. Meanwhile, right now Leahy is complaining that Obama isn't nominating judges fast ENOUGH.
Posted by: Dave J. at September 14, 2010 07:21 PM (DCQ0q)
Posted by: Damiano at September 14, 2010 07:21 PM (PA722)
Posted by: Dunkirk at September 14, 2010 07:21 PM (ZkQ3p)
Well, getting those majorities with you Establishment RINO backstabbers hasn't worked out so well for us, so we thought we'd try something actually different in hopes of an actually different result.
Posted by: Rabbi Gonzman at September 14, 2010 07:22 PM (7A2F1)
I continue to be baffled by people who assume at least 51% of blue-state voters are animated by the same issues they are.
Posted by: ace at September 14, 2010 10:20 PM (KUUXH)
But in many cases they are. What November will come down to is pocket-book. Things will not get better between now and then; they will get worse. The though of altering course is completely alien to Obama.
Consider: Obama is a community agitator, that's what he does. He demands answers and demonises the opposition. That strategy works only if you have a fairly solid enemy. If it is a nebulous problem you are up against, economic down turn, such action makes you look whiny and ineffectual.
Coons will be forced to embrace Obama, he can't run against him as an-anti democrat. Hell, he's joined at the hip. It is too late for Coons to define himself as an ousider.
So what we end up with is an underdog-system fighter going up against the monster Obama-Coons (what an unfortunate hypenation; I denounce myself).
Add to that a rabid base that will knock on doors, volunteer, etc. and you have a recipie for winning. After all, McCain didn't win because his base said, "meh." We faced the same "meh" factor here. Castle may have felt like a safe move, but that's only in chess where the castle is a commanding, powerful piece.
(In my opinion Castle was just a piece...)
Posted by: Warthog at September 14, 2010 07:22 PM (LmX6h)
They aren't children. But go ahead and agree with the leftists on the accusation though.
Beware growing too comfortable with the concept. As Adam Carolla says, "You'll be sliding one across your lips any day now."
Posted by: K~Bob at September 14, 2010 07:22 PM (9b6FB)
Posted by: Cooper at September 14, 2010 07:22 PM (uPgdc)
O'Donnell ran on that narrative, so that's where it came from. If this really is an anti-incumbent wave sweeping the nation, then O'Donnell will be fine... Right?
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 14, 2010 07:22 PM (mHQ7T)
It's a good idea in theory. But I have a donation/time budget each election cycle. Unlike anger driven idiots, I divide it rationally based upon favored candidates + ability to win. It's why I read lefty sites like SSP and 538. Not because I love listening to those idiots make 'teabagger' jokes but because than I know who're those second tier potentially surprise republican winners who aren't raking in all the money already. Using a primitive form of game theory is the best way to try to most efficiently help unseat liberals. As a result O'Donnell doesn't figure into my plans when I can possibly unseat a Murray or Boxer or Feingold for less effort.
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 14, 2010 07:22 PM (RC7LR)
THE NRSC
CARL ROVE
MIKE MURPHY
AND THE REST OF THE REPUBLICAN "OLD SCHOOL"
CAN KISS MY WHITE HAIRY TEXAS ASS
Posted by: SukitTREBEK at September 14, 2010 07:23 PM (jBC6p)
Posted by: maddogg at September 14, 2010 07:23 PM (DqSon)
Posted by: LibertarianJim at September 14, 2010 07:23 PM (86FvD)
Posted by: Phil Smith at September 14, 2010 07:23 PM (3gzw5)
Candidates down 13 points don't get a lot of love.
Choices, consequences, etc.
Posted by: DrewM. at September 14, 2010 11:05 PM (ycZcD)
I honestly think they are trying to keep the heat up with her supporters who might be tempted to slack off after a victory. They need someone to rage against and the NRSC will do till Coons steps in it.
Which brings up a point Ace didn't mention. As far as I'm concerned.Castle blew this primary. He was an idiot to listen to Murky and McCain and go nuclear. He would have done far better to get her in a debate and have her explain her positions on MidEast Policy and the International trade. If Coons does the same O'Donnell will close very quickly . If he is smart he talks nothing but issues and make them as complicated as possible hoping she makes more gaffes. Personal issues will not play this year. EVERYONE has personal issues in a recession.
Posted by: Rocks at September 14, 2010 07:24 PM (ivAmM)
Posted by: Dan at September 14, 2010 07:24 PM (1jzSs)
I know: Why don't you fuckwits go start your own party? That'll fucking work...in your delusional minds.
Jeebus, the whole potential for winning is going to be lost to Bubba and his coontick.
Posted by: Quilly Mammmothat September 14, 2010 11:17 PM (7rfUg)
OK, let's say they do form a third party. What does that do to your party? Your party is hosed. Yeah, the third party loses. But so do the republicans. The winners are the democrats.
Yeah, I get it. You wanted Castle. So did a lot of people. But we didn't get him. As they say, its time to MoveOn.com.
Yeah, it'd be great to have perfect candidates. Or ideal candidates. But we don't.
We gotta deal with the hand that we drew.
The past is the past.
Posted by: Ed at September 14, 2010 07:25 PM (Zsqn4)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 14, 2010 11:22 PM (mHQ7T)
Exactly, tell the people of Deleware that the Washington Establishment won't even buy her a cup of coffee and that she is working for them.
Posted by: robtr at September 14, 2010 07:25 PM (fwSHf)
Ace is the reason for the gloating. Ace argued forcefully for his position that Castle should be the nominee however he did so in a shrill manner. He reacted to disagreement with ever growing vitriol.
And I'm not gloating. I held my nose today just as I would have in Nov to vote for Castle had he won.
Posted by: kidneywhovotedO'Donnellyoujackass at September 14, 2010 07:26 PM (ENRGu)
And as others have suggested, I will wait for the next polls before I decide that any race is lost before it starts.
But as for now, those who are rejoicing with glee must understand that you share your celebration with Harry Reid and the Democrats who couldn't be happier with this result.
Posted by: Robert at September 14, 2010 07:26 PM (cd6Ip)
Posted by: tsj017 at September 14, 2010 07:26 PM (vOH26)
Using a primitive form of game theory is the best way to try to most efficiently help unseat liberals.
Zombie, you should hang out here more often. Nice point.
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 14, 2010 07:26 PM (tkcGj)
Posted by: Chef Mojo at September 14, 2010 07:26 PM (Z2CfR)
Posted by: CHEAP SUPRA SHOES at September 14, 2010 10:30 PM (ojZwf)
Bhahahahah!
For the first time, the robot-spammer has it right.
(Excuse me, I have to buy some Cheap Supra Shoes to go with my lace wig...)
Posted by: Warthog at September 14, 2010 07:26 PM (LmX6h)
Posted by: Dunkirk at September 14, 2010 07:27 PM (ZkQ3p)
Posted by: Gran at September 14, 2010 07:27 PM (kmmbv)
Posted by: Rocks at September 14, 2010 11:24 PM (ivAmM)
I doubt they are that smart or creative.
Posted by: DrewM. at September 14, 2010 07:27 PM (ycZcD)
We will win The House. We won't win the Senate.
And we won't end ObamaCare which is a game changer. Because of that.
We had one, and only one chance, to end this travesty and the "pundits", cockholsters like Levin, had a chance to seal the deal. But having a divided House gives people who make thier living by punditry...cue Lunger Levin...a lot of fodder to keep on going.
Which makes Levin more money? A solid Republican House or a divided house?
Ya'll been rolled.
Posted by: Quilly Mammmoth at September 14, 2010 07:27 PM (7rfUg)
I do agree with this. Stupid, vindictive timing on the NRSC's part.
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 14, 2010 07:27 PM (RC7LR)
This was an emotion based move by the uninformed bitter clingers.
Posted by: Repeal at September 14, 2010 07:28 PM (8xwyL)
I'm curious as to what you find objectionable in my statements.
I've been in the Tea Party from day one. I'm going to support Republicans with my sweat and money. In Central Virginia (VA-5) I'm gonna be working my ass off to oust Perriello. I am going to stand on principle here in Virginia. My first choice in the primary didn't win, but I'm going balls out to elect the winner, Robert Hurt.
I expect no less from Ace, Drew, et.al., where O'Donnell is concerned. I expect unconditional support for her, not the whiny, defeatist bullshit they've been spewing since it went O'Donnell's way.
Perhaps, I'm naive, but I expect everyone with a fucking "R" after their name to cheerfully give their fucking support to the winner of the Delaware REPUBLICAN primary!
I dunno, Circa. Am I being unreasonable?
Posted by: Chef Mojo at September 14, 2010 11:26 PM (Z2CfR)
You're creating opposition that doesn't exist. They still have doubts, but it's not like anybody on the right is pulling for Coons. Even Rove said he hope she wins.
Posted by: Dunkirk at September 14, 2010 07:29 PM (ZkQ3p)
Posted by: eman at September 14, 2010 07:29 PM (Q3cxl)
There is a view that it is better if she loses as she would be an embarrassment as a Senator. Sort of like when some Dems were whispering in early 2008 that maybe it would be a good thing if Norm Coleman snuck by. Donm't know if that's the NRSC's motivation but it is a REAL viewpoint out there.
Posted by: Chris in Va at September 14, 2010 11:23 PM (uCjoj)
Yeah, I thought about that too, prior to the primary. That's why I was hoping Castle would win.
But that's in the past. And my powers of prognostication aren't good enough for me to embrace that strategy.
Gotta get behind O'Donnell.
Posted by: Ed at September 14, 2010 07:30 PM (Zsqn4)
Posted by: newport cigarettes at September 14, 2010 10:31 PM (ojZwf)
Bwahahahaahhaha! *COUGH*
The robot spammers are killing me tonight.
(but in a good way...)
Posted by: Warthog at September 14, 2010 07:30 PM (LmX6h)
Castle was a northeastern moderate, not a RINO. The tea party just decided the Democrats should control the northeast in the interest of ideological purity, because Scott Brown is a RINO, etc. Reagan said a half a loaf is better than nothing. These people declared a hunger strike.
What do you want from the RNC? They have this Young Guns push with Paul Ryan, Eric Cantor, Ilario Pantano, Marco Rubio... you can't have perfect candidates everywhere. But DE Republicans just voted for which imperfection they find most tolerable.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 14, 2010 07:30 PM (mHQ7T)
And how would it have been repealed it without a veto-proof majority?
Posted by: Gran at September 14, 2010 07:30 PM (kmmbv)
Posted by: sifty at September 14, 2010 11:19 PM (nKomG)
Uhmmmm, honey bunny, did you actually read what he wrote?
Thought not Meghan, sifty.
Posted by: Quilly Mammmoth at September 14, 2010 07:30 PM (7rfUg)
Posted by: ParisParamus at September 14, 2010 07:31 PM (06v7e)
There are things to hate on the NRSC for. Helping incumbents should not be one of them. This time, the non-establishment candidate is the friendly Tea Party, so folks get their ox gored when the NRSC backs the establishment in the primary. Next time it could be the Larouchies or some Democrat-backed Operation Chaos candidate who are playing primary games in the GOP. In which case many of you would be screaming for the NRSC's help. Myself included. As long as you are playing by the rules, not rules-raping your way into a seat, and represent the views of the majority of Republican voters from your area, there's no problem.
If they back off for the Tea Party they will have to back off if Alvin Greene is somehow persuaded to run as a Republican.
Posted by: Sekhmet at September 14, 2010 07:32 PM (5gZ0w)
And we won't end ObamaCare which is a game changer. Because of that.
Posted by: Quilly Mammmoth at September 14, 2010 11:27 PM (7rfUg)
Might want to take a civics class or somethin' there sparky - ever hear of a veto? Numbers to override a veto are impossible to obtain
Posted by: Lt.Kilgore at September 14, 2010 07:32 PM (rRlGa)
Its going to be tough, but the dems are radioactive this year, and for them having a marxist running is going to help the cause. So you never know.
As for polls, maybe the voters looked at her as not winning the primary, so thought loser, we'll see what happens.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 14, 2010 07:32 PM (L8kaT)
Magic Carpet Ride we are on. Let the water go under said bridge.
The Big Event comes in November. Ready?
Posted by: Born to be Wild at September 14, 2010 07:32 PM (QGtwj)
You're delusional.
Posted by: Dr. Spank at September 14, 2010 07:33 PM (Y81Xa)
Posted by: av at September 14, 2010 07:33 PM (rG4O2)
Ace made a good case in his thoughts about Castle. I did not personally agree with it, but it was not the Judas moment that you are making it out to be any more than Palin and DeMint are purposely steering us toward the rocks as Quilly seems to think.
We have bigger fish to fry here. We've got a donk administration and Congress that I have come to regard as the worst possible combination: malevolent and incompetent. There is now a slate of candidates in place across the country to unseat the legislative component. Go support it. All of it.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 14, 2010 07:33 PM (rNJC9)
Posted by: Lt.Kilgore at September 14, 2010 11:32 PM (rRlGa)
FIFM
Posted by: Lt.Kilgore at September 14, 2010 07:34 PM (rRlGa)
If the Republican party does not want to change the "WAY THINGS ARE DONE" * in Thurston Howell accent They might wake up and find we refused to be governed..
Posted by: catman at September 14, 2010 07:34 PM (LZS28)
Posted by: Meggie McCain at September 14, 2010 07:34 PM (MMC8r)
We get it, Q.
But maybe you should repeat it a couple dozen more times, with more "fucks" and "cocksuckers," because they are so rhythmical and accent-y.
Posted by: K~Bob at September 14, 2010 07:35 PM (9b6FB)
Posted by: Damiano at September 14, 2010 07:35 PM (PA722)
Nothing new at all. I have exchanged many email and letters with some of them.
Over the years they have said they don't like one issue voters, prolifers, gun-nuts, etc, and now it is the tea parties time to feel their wrath.
Rarely has NR, or any rightward media gone after a Dem with vigor, but they do write good policy articles and such.
So, no one ever counts on them for help in a tough race....usually when a Republican gets in a pickle, makes a gaffe (macaca), the rightwing media throws our guys overboard quick.
Unlike the leftwing MSM who defends their guys to the last.
Posted by: pam at September 14, 2010 07:35 PM (h8R9p)
"I've been responding to the stupid dwelling on Rove and the NRSC, as if she's been dealt some kind of blow, something we didn't know about yesterday."
Yeah, we knew about the Horrifying Stuff yesterday and the day before and the day before THAT.
I guess Rove figured we (and others) needed to hear it again, with some creased nuance.
Not that he was, um, dwelling, or anything.
Just reiterating.
Like a robocall.
Posted by: vote red at September 14, 2010 07:35 PM (IAIJj)
WIN THE SENATE? You needed 19 seats to repeal Obamacare. You gambled and you won this hand. That doesn't change who O'Donnell is or where she is running. Or the likely probability that this will end like her last five runs. You know, everyone here really wishes you guys luck. But what do you expect the GOP to say about her?
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 14, 2010 07:36 PM (mHQ7T)
Posted by: Lt.Kilgore at September 14, 2010 11:32 PM (rRlGa)
Exact-a-mundo, Lt.
Cutting off funding for all of Ofuckstick's grand plans will be doable regardless of the outcome in DE.
Posted by: Gran at September 14, 2010 07:36 PM (kmmbv)
There's almost no scenario in my mind (besides being caught w/a dead girl/live boy and absurd levels of corruption) where I would rather not have a strong conservative in the senate because they're too crazy. Dems will live with the ball of crazy that is Al Franken or Bernie Sanders or the murderous womanizing asshole Teddy Kennedy for their votes.
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 14, 2010 07:36 PM (RC7LR)
Posted by: Chef Mojo at September 14, 2010 07:36 PM (Z2CfR)
Cripes, the dummies are out in full force tonight.
Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head at September 14, 2010 07:36 PM (IlBr+)
Posted by: ParisParamus at September 14, 2010 07:36 PM (06v7e)
Posted by: Ryan at September 14, 2010 07:36 PM (Z7Qah)
Old School Politics donnot apply anymore
Karl Rove and Mike Murphy
ARE YESTERDAYS NEWS
THEY ARE ANALOG NEWS
IN A DIGITAL AGE
THIS BULLSHIT THAT WE HAVE TO BE LIBERALS TO WIN IS JUST THAT
BULLSHIT
Posted by: SukitTREBEK at September 14, 2010 07:38 PM (jBC6p)
Posted by: Some Oooooold Mayan Dude at September 14, 2010 07:38 PM (MMC8r)
Or even if you're not devoted.
Posted by: John "3 Purple Hearts" Kerry at September 14, 2010 07:38 PM (kmmbv)
Sadly, cause I'd like to pick up a Senate Seat from Delaware, it doesn't appear to be forthcoming. There's always 2012...assuming the soft tyranny Obama has now doesn't reign us in by then.
One Chance. 2010.
Posted by: Quilly Mammmoth at September 14, 2010 07:38 PM (7rfUg)
He's a master at time management!
Posted by: K~Bob at September 14, 2010 07:39 PM (9b6FB)
Posted by: Ryan at September 14, 2010 11:36 PM (Z7Qah)
In war you don't shoot one of your weakest soldiers because you figure the enemy will probably to it anyways.
Posted by: robtr at September 14, 2010 07:40 PM (fwSHf)
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 14, 2010 07:40 PM (RC7LR)
See--this is what I'm talking about. There's hyperbole and then there is making an idiot out of yourself. You are hearing what you want to here, Quilly. Lighten the hell up.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 14, 2010 07:41 PM (rNJC9)
I got SICK and TIRED
NRSC putting up RINOs thinking I had no choice but to vote for them because they felt that Conservatives would never vote for a democrat.
NOW THAT WE HAVE SWITCHED THE TABLES
WHO THE FUCK ARE THESE RINOS GOING TO VOTE FOR NOW????
AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Posted by: SukitTREBEK at September 14, 2010 07:41 PM (jBC6p)
He lost once to Hillary. Before that he'd been elected to the House where he served as Deputy Majority Whip, Assistant Majority Leader and Chairman on the Banking Housing Subcommittee on Housing and Community Opportunity.
His tea party opponent is a wealthy Buffalo developer known as "the Don Rickles of politics" who has donated the maximum to every NY Democrat you can name over the past decade and Schumer as recently as June. Then you have Cuomo. It's NY, a blue state like DE, and the Dems have a good ground game and reliable voter base.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 14, 2010 07:42 PM (mHQ7T)
Posted by: United Federation of Drama Queens at September 14, 2010 07:42 PM (MMC8r)
We need 51 votes to control the Senate, what do we have now 41?. As far as O'Donnell is concerned, I never supported her but I did defend her against some ridiculous criticsms thrown her way and I understand those who do support her.
Posted by: Dr. Spank at September 14, 2010 07:42 PM (Y81Xa)
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Tuesday he will add the DREAM Act, a controversial immigration measure, to a defense policy bill the Senate will take up next week.
The decision means the defense bill, which often passes with bipartisan support, will be home to two major, thorny political issues – the other being the repeal of the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 14, 2010 07:42 PM (L8kaT)
which is why Sarah Palin said nothing about him
Posted by: curious at September 14, 2010 07:43 PM (p302b)
Doug Hoffman
WAS BEFORE OBAMACARE PASSED THE SHADY WAY IT DID
RUN THAT ELECTION AGAIN NOW AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS
Posted by: SukitTREBEK at September 14, 2010 07:44 PM (jBC6p)
Kilgore, are you stupid or drunk? A veto comes from the President you stupid piece of shit. For a bonus question: how does a Congress prevent a presidentially approved piece of legislation from going forward?
There's your civic class you brainless twat.
Posted by: Quilly Mammmoth at September 14, 2010 07:44 PM (7rfUg)
And I don't know if I can get behind this candidate. I doubt very much if Levin would have gotten behind Castle. Besides, I would not buy a used car from her, that is just the truth. My problems with O'Donnell were not ideological, I actually am closer to Sarah Palin than I am to Mike Castle, but I think O'Donnell is a liar and con artist and I just do not trust her. Sorry. No can do. It would be easier to support her if all that bothered me was ideology.
Posted by: Terrye at September 14, 2010 07:44 PM (UYcqZ)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 14, 2010 07:44 PM (mHQ7T)
Like I said, I'm not going to kill her but I don't think I'm going to time pumping her up either.
I think O'Donnell is entitled to someone like me not beating her down but I don't think she should expect people who opposed her to become her biggest advocates either.
Many of us were ready to take the easy, if imperfect, win. Others wanted a hard, uphill fight. They won that right fair and square but shouldn't expect us to pull double shifts now.
Me? How about Ron Johnson in WI! Let's go kick Russ Feingold the hell out of the Senate!
Posted by: DrewM. at September 14, 2010 07:44 PM (ycZcD)
A lot of people will be watching this very carefully.....
Posted by: curious at September 14, 2010 07:44 PM (p302b)
Posted by: gus at September 14, 2010 07:44 PM (C02p4)
She. Will. Win.
Posted by: MaxMBJ at September 14, 2010 07:45 PM (vMvQn)
there's your line in the sand...
madcow is live
Posted by: curious at September 14, 2010 07:45 PM (p302b)
They cut off the $$$.
Posted by: John at September 14, 2010 07:45 PM (kmmbv)
Posted by: kidneywhovotedO'Donnellyoujackass at September 14, 2010 07:46 PM (ENRGu)
Posted by: Joffen at September 14, 2010 07:46 PM (ddtXm)
Posted by: archie bunker at September 14, 2010 07:46 PM (I+7Zv)
Posted by: DrewM. at September 14, 2010 11:44 PM (ycZcD)
Meh, you go ahead with me mmmkay?
See how that works.
Posted by: robtr at September 14, 2010 07:47 PM (fwSHf)
Posted by: kidneywhovotedO'Donnellyoujackass at September 14, 2010 07:47 PM (ENRGu)
Posted by: eman at September 14, 2010 07:48 PM (Q3cxl)
5 Reasons O'Donnell probably won't win the general:
1-- She beat Mike Castle by winning big in the two southern counties and Castle won New Castle County. In November she will win the two southern counties and Coons will have more than enough votes in New Castle County (where Democrats are strongest) to win in a walk.
2 -- She won't win moderate and independent voters. They will vote Coons or stay home.
3 -- With or without the NRSC she won't have the money -- the big money Republican people in Delaware were Castle people -- lawyer, bankers, and professional types in suburban Wilmington. These people are unlikely to write checks for her. Nationally non-NRSC -- a candidate needs a money bomb -- who gets it? The New Hampshire candidate or O'Donnell? Angle or O'Donnell? Toomey or O'Donnell? Fiorina or O'Donnell? In no case will big money go her way. She'll need expensive Philly market ads to make dent in New Castle (see 1 above)-- she didn't need those as much in the primary. Those ads cost money. She won't have it.
4 -- The rest of the nation thinks he is a joke and probably so do most Delawareans. But Joe Biden is Delaware's guy (and that means a lot for a small state like Delaware to have a VP). He'll campaign and campaign hard. He wouldn't have as hard against Castle (it would have been more like "I like Coons"). Biden is a strong draw in Delaware.
5 -- Delaware has not elected a new Republican to a major office (Rep., Senator, Governor, AG, or LG) since 1995 (Jane Brady -- AG -- elected in 1995 -- left to become a judge in 2005). The only other major GOP office holders in the state in the last 20 years have been Bill Roth (first elected as US Senator in the 70s), Mike Castle (first elected as LG with Pete duPont in the 80s) and Dale Wolf (elected LG in 1989 and chose not run in 1992).
Posted by: GrayFlannelDwarf at September 14, 2010 07:48 PM (suygc)
I hope as hell someday it's declared Obama usurped his job and we can throw away his picks on the Supreme Court.
I'm glad O'D won. Anyone that is Republican and thinks Castle was a good choice just proves my point that many Republicans are total idiots and just part of the status quo. I don't care what NRSC does with its money, I stopped giving to them. Damn tacky of them to announce it the way they did. Timing was wrong. Could have been more tactful. I'll give to O'D directly.
I love this site but man Ace your negative attitude about tea party supporting a more conservative candidate is just a bummer. Glad you wrote article on how it can happen, but you ended it on a downer note. Maybe NSRC could have shut up and waiting to see post-primary polls. Maybe Castle could be a man and tell the people of DE that he'll be supporting O'D.
Serious man. If you just want McCains and Castles we should all just join the gov't and join the SEIU and we'll be happy like they are in Greece.
Posted by: blindgoose at September 14, 2010 07:48 PM (hZOQ8)
Posted by: Joffen at September 14, 2010 11:46 PM (ddtXm)
The majority opinion is clearly that we should throw in the towel, curl up in a ball, and kiss our asses goodbye.
Posted by: K~Bob at September 14, 2010 07:48 PM (9b6FB)
19 to get to a filibuster-proof majority. Now you can just defund it through the House, if the tea party doesn't mind us winning those elections.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 14, 2010 07:49 PM (mHQ7T)
Pam:
Good luck on winning an election without actual voters. We live in a democracy, which means the candidate with the most votes wins an election. You seem intent on being dismissive of people (also known as voters) who don't agree with you 100% of the time. If the National Review and the Weekly Standard are liberal rags in your mind, I think you are going to find that there are not many other people (i.e. voters) who share your worldview.
Posted by: nc at September 14, 2010 07:49 PM (FPtHm)
Posted by: The Dread Pirate Neck Beard at September 14, 2010 07:49 PM (wOtDN)
Posted by: Ryan at September 14, 2010 07:49 PM (Z7Qah)
Russ Feingold is toast. Drew have you seen what is happening in my state tonight.
It's a Conservative ass-whupping. Scott Walker crushed former Congressman and somewhat conservative Mark Neumann by 20 points for the Gop Governor bid.
Feingold can go back to drinking and trolling for divorcees full time now.
Posted by: gus at September 14, 2010 07:50 PM (C02p4)
Posted by: Terrye at September 14, 2010 07:50 PM (UYcqZ)
Huh?
Posted by: John f'n Kerry at September 14, 2010 07:50 PM (9t+rK)
Ace,
For what it's worth, I've been involved in Republican campaigns since 1968. And I half-hoped Castle would win tonight, purely for strategic reasons.
But:
I also believe Pat Fucking Caddell. There is something revolutionary afoot, and I would like to believe I'm a part of it (I worked for Ken Buck's campaign in the early days, but had to leave in April for a real job).
I don't know O'Donnell. I know she has a long trek across the minefield of her past. But the fact is, her opponent isn't "known" to be a bearded Marxist, he has called himself a bearded Marxist.
I also know next to nothing about Delaware. But for Christ's sake, this is the U.S. of A. Is Delaware going to elect a fucking Marxist, or a fucking paranoid Republican? I'll take the FPGOP. I hope Delaware will, too.
My point is that O'Donnell can win, and it is not that much of a stretch to believe she can. She doesn't need a lot of money (it's fucking Delaware, for fuck's sake). But she could use a lot of Republicans who are willing to say, "OK, beeotch, you won, how can I help?"
For all those Republicans out there who wanted Castle to win? He lost. It's time to get behind the winner.
That's what we DO. That's who we ARE.
Posted by: km at September 14, 2010 07:50 PM (ehqqs)
Posted by: Joe Biden at September 14, 2010 07:50 PM (TcaE8)
I heard what she said in her speech. She told the GOP to go to hell. Which, really, is a smart thing for her to do...cause she's gonna get jack-shit from the NRSSC.
So. Exactly how many of you O'Donnell supporters are going to man up and stroke a check for $2,500.00?
::CRICKETS::
Thought so. Levin will give $2,500.00. Dan Reihl? Nada.
Posted by: Quilly Mammmoth at September 14, 2010 07:50 PM (7rfUg)
Posted by: K~Bob at September 14, 2010 07:50 PM (9b6FB)
Posted by: lorien1973 at September 14, 2010 07:50 PM (ZXnUe)
Posted by: Dunkirk at September 14, 2010 07:51 PM (ZkQ3p)
Feel bad for Lazio, he was probably "advised" not to even talk to the tea party and they didn't vet the candidate or the tea party in NY is not like the tea party everywhere else and is another dem stronghold.
Posted by: curious at September 14, 2010 07:51 PM (p302b)
Posted by: eman at September 14, 2010 07:51 PM (Q3cxl)
Posted by: Cobalt Shiva at September 14, 2010 07:52 PM (KCVUU)
Yeah, kinda like a guy who beats up his pregnant wife, kicks her down the stairs and then asks if the baby's OK. Ya really doubt if he's able to equate how X + Y = Z.
It's not O'Donnell who's the problem from what I've seen and read.
Posted by: EZB at September 14, 2010 07:52 PM (fa9yq)
Posted by: eman at September 14, 2010 11:48 PM (Q3cxl)
Um, because she's behind by about 13 points?
How many other candidates down by that much do you want to spend millions of dollars on? Or is there some special reason this candidate and this candidate only should get resources despite the fact she's not competitive? If so, why?
Posted by: DrewM. at September 14, 2010 07:52 PM (ycZcD)
Posted by: CAC at September 14, 2010 07:52 PM (lV4Fs)
Posted by: Joffen at September 14, 2010 07:53 PM (ddtXm)
Posted by: That Castle Fuckstick at September 14, 2010 07:53 PM (Vrb/j)
Posted by: DrewM. at September 14, 2010 11:44 PM (ycZcD)
So when it's a RINO vs a Democrat we Conservatives are expected to support the candidate. However, when the shoe's on the other foot no reciprocal action is offered.
I guess compromise is a one way street for y'all. Looks like it's past time to go off-road.
Posted by: GhostShip at September 14, 2010 07:53 PM (4VxpQ)
Posted by: Ohio Dan at September 14, 2010 07:53 PM (rurh0)
Posted by: curious at September 14, 2010 11:45 PM (p302b)
HotAir ad it an hour ago. I commented on it on #403
403Fuck us! The NRSC announces it wont help her during her acceptance speech!
This is war now.
Posted by: redstatedeb at September 14, 2010 11:41 PM (CluUg)
Just sayin' They beat MSNBC by miles...
Posted by: redstatedeb at September 14, 2010 07:53 PM (CluUg)
Just in DE, but maybe the tea party can organize enough to help her win. Then they can start their own party, which seems like what they want. All we have heard throughout this primary is how much Republicans suck, and now their principled conservative outsider candidate wants money Republicans that just isn't there to throw at someone down 13 points running for their fifth time. Have one of those money bombs for O'Donnell.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 14, 2010 07:53 PM (mHQ7T)
What kind of a stratagey is it
JUST TO GET TO THE PLAYOFFS
FUCK THAT
I WANT TO "WIN"
THE SUPERBOWL
Posted by: SukitTREBEK at September 14, 2010 07:54 PM (jBC6p)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 14, 2010 07:54 PM (rNJC9)
Posted by: Joffen at September 14, 2010 07:54 PM (ddtXm)
Posted by: DanInMN at September 14, 2010 07:55 PM (b7TLI)
Posted by: pam at September 14, 2010 07:55 PM (h8R9p)
DUMB: NRSC Won’t Help O’Donnell Campaign: “Party fractures on full display, Republican aides told Fox News Tuesday that O’Donnell would not be getting national fundraising support.” I repeat: Dumb. Now if O’Donnell loses, activists will blame the party. Did I mention this was dumb? I predict they’ll change their minds on this, and soon.
Posted at 10:55 pm by Glenn Reynolds
The Old Guard doesn't die . . .
It surrenders.
Posted by: vote red at September 14, 2010 07:55 PM (IAIJj)
Whether O'Donnell wins or not (and I'm in Texas, so I don't have a vote in this race), at the VERY least, this should put the fear of God into all of the squishes in both the House and the Senate that the grubby masses aren't going away, and they had better understand that we are watching them very carefully.
I'm sure the moderate Repubs thought that the Tea Party was a one-off that they only had to deal with for a couple of years. Hopefully some of them are starting to realize that we aren't taking their "go along to get along" anymore. We're mad, and we are energized like never before.
If this doesn't make Snowe, Collins, Graham, and Brown think twice before casting their votes for the next few years, then they may be in real danger of not returning after their next election(s).
If O'Donnell wins and is a train wreck, then she is out of there in 4 years. That's the beauty of this "grand experiment" that our Founders conceived of all those years ago. I guarantee you Cornyn, McConnell, and Boehner are all running scared right now - and that's a good thing for ALL of us.
Now we work hard to get as many R's elected as possible. It's gonna be messy for a while, but I think that people truly feel hope for the future, which is something that has been sorely missing for the past 2 years.
It'll all work out; maybe not the way that we envisioned, but who would have thought on that night in November, 2008 that the pendulum would swing so far so quickly? It's going to be OK......
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at September 14, 2010 07:55 PM (ZuXtZ)
The NRSC is playing to their constituency -- big money donors -- and even the most conservative of conservatives doesn't want the NRSC tilting at windmills with their money.
Spend it on Angle. Spend it on Toomey. Hell, spend it in West Virginia.
If she wants to make them bad cop and play up the narrative of the put-upon woman, it's probably to her advantage.
This is classic power play politics. Conservatives ordinarily would be cool with a Castle here and a Snowe there, but they seem to be the rule, not the exception. I'm somebody who preferred Castle, but I do get the frustration that the compromise only goes one way.
The problem was the Cap 'n' Trade vote. When Obama was unpopular and Castle was skating to get this Senate seat, he still voted for that thing, which was one of the three unforgivable votes -- Obamacare, stimulus and C'n'T.
So when he has nothing to lose, he doesn't kiss up to the base, he kisses up to liberals. The base isn't going to be happy and ended up taking a loss rather than putting up with him.
Who I really blame is McCain. McCain's voting record is much better than your typical RINO, but he seemed to relish poking conservatives in the eye, especially after 2000. He made the relationship between conservatives and moderates poisonous.
Posted by: AmishDude at September 14, 2010 07:56 PM (3wPsb)
Is there an inverse ratio to the strength of an argument and the amount of all caps used?
Posted by: nc at September 14, 2010 07:56 PM (FPtHm)
Posted by: curious at September 14, 2010 07:57 PM (p302b)
Posted by: Joffen at September 14, 2010 11:54 PM (ddtXm)
Heh.
Posted by: redstatedeb at September 14, 2010 07:58 PM (CluUg)
Two thoughts...
1-All campaigns are about resources. Even a blog is a resource. The writers here can only follow so much, write so many posts. I'm going to spend my limited resource (time, available posting opportunities, etc) to promote someone I like.
2-I'm not convinced winning the Senate this year is a long term good thing. Gabe on the other hand is. We are actually going to each do a post (sort of a pro/con thing) later this week laying out our positions.
Posted by: DrewM. at September 14, 2010 07:58 PM (ycZcD)
Drew, with all due respect...Rubio and Wells. Primaries should be exercises in debate--not homogeneity.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 14, 2010 07:58 PM (rNJC9)
Posted by: Joffen at September 14, 2010 07:58 PM (ddtXm)
Well, what we have here is a failure to communicate.
We are CONSERVATIVES, and WE ARE taking the Party and our country back.
If you pansies want more McCains, we will shove you to the side and leave you for dead.
Thank you for listening and God Bless America.
Now for a glass of TEA.
Posted by: gus at September 14, 2010 07:58 PM (C02p4)
Why, why do leftists and the liberal media hate independently minded and opinionated women so much? It really is starting to appear they have a mental defect and are filled with irrational hate.
Posted by: ray at September 14, 2010 07:59 PM (hXK0o)
Posted by: Ryan at September 14, 2010 11:49 PM (Z7Qah)
Backwards.
It's: Refuse to insert the new soldier with the correct case of ammo, and instead keep a soldier who has been there longer, but tends to kill as many friendlies as enemies. And then justify it with gobbeldygook about strategy and possible outcomes, while soldiers all around you are telling you straight up, "the guy you want is dangerous."
Of course, you read in Stars and Stripes that the new guy was "crazy." Or something.
Posted by: K~Bob at September 14, 2010 07:59 PM (9b6FB)
This may come as a surprise to you, but even the tea party was split on Carl Paladino. He won because of his ability to self-finance his campaign. He made a very public statement that he would spend millions of his own money. That's what's going on there. Cuomo wins in a walk.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 14, 2010 07:59 PM (mHQ7T)
440 There's your civic class you brainless twat. Posted by: Quilly Mammmoth at September 14, 2010 11:44 PM (7rfUg) Reading is hard, but everyone should try it at least once. Posted by: The Dread Pirate Neck Beard
It's called "60" genius. But that would require reading beyond blogs...so I'm not optimistic.
The only way to end Obama's socialization of America is to gain enough seats to start writing laws and to do so with enough people to override his veto.
That will not happen if we throw people to the curb like Mike Castle in favor of an unelectable candidates.
What part of shooting ourselves in the head for the sake ideological purity do people not understand?
Posted by: Quilly Mammmoth at September 14, 2010 07:59 PM (7rfUg)
Love it but Feingold isn't done yet. He's a hard worker, kind of hard to peg on some issues and has a long history with voters. Johnson is a novice and good mess up.
Feingold is on the ropes but the fight needs to be carried to him.
I'd like to keep an eye on that race. I like what I've seen of Johnson.
Posted by: DrewM. at September 14, 2010 08:00 PM (ycZcD)
Posted by: pam at September 14, 2010 11:55 PM (h8R9p)
AMEN. And then they'll say "well, she was unelectable....we underminded her but it meant nothing to her prospects....nothing to see here...
Posted by: redstatedeb at September 14, 2010 08:00 PM (CluUg)
***zzzzzz***zzzzzzz***zzzzzz
***zzzz***snort!***
Huh...wats goin on...?
Hey, what the hell?
Oh that does it.
Now I'm fuckin' pissed.
I'm gonna rip off some heads...
Posted by: The slumbering grizzly bear that is the American electorate has woken up at September 14, 2010 08:00 PM (Zsqn4)
Odd, since you actually seem to be spending a lot of your time writing yet another variation on "I told you so" about someone you don't like.
Posted by: Waterhouse at September 14, 2010 08:00 PM (emKVo)
Posted by: Joffen at September 14, 2010 08:01 PM (ddtXm)
Posted by: DanInMN at September 14, 2010 08:01 PM (b7TLI)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 14, 2010 08:01 PM (mHQ7T)
Really well rumor has it that the palladino folks are really doing some big digging into old andy's career, particularly his Washington years. So this should really be a fun race to watch.
Posted by: curious at September 14, 2010 08:01 PM (p302b)
Posted by: eman at September 14, 2010 08:02 PM (Q3cxl)
A third?
Have they never heard of computers - or calculators - up there?
Lamontagne's lead is now down to about 1000-votes.
Posted by: DocJ at September 14, 2010 08:03 PM (AWzOz)
If you think watching a stray dog wander onto a freeway is fun.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 14, 2010 08:03 PM (mHQ7T)
Posted by: curious at September 14, 2010 08:03 PM (p302b)
I was amazed at how few people actually voted in the primary in fact.There must not be very many Republicans in Delaware. And I think that might be the thing that a lot of people are overlooking.
Turnout was quite high. In the 2008 Delaware Presidential primary -- an early primary with several presidenital candidates dedicating significant resources there were 50k voters -- tonight there were 57k.
Posted by: GrayFlannelDwarf at September 14, 2010 08:04 PM (suygc)
It amazing that you could barely comprehend the post by DrewM that you quoted. Nobody is not supporting O'Donnell. I will support her even though I think she's an idiot. If she manages to come within 5 pts and I still have any $ left I might donate too.
The difference however is that the angry tea party folks who are driven by pure irrationality are still up here claiming Castle is LEV DAVIDOVICH TROTSKY or something and that any RINO is a liberal. They are outright still saying that they would rather lose over and over than support republicans who are merely marginally better than democrats as opposed to stalwart conservatives. Meanwhile DrewM and other supporters of Castle like me are simply saying we want O'Donnell to win but we're not willing to die on a hill for a candidate we feel have a very low chance of winning. You inability to recognize that lack of reciprocity is astounding.
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 14, 2010 08:04 PM (RC7LR)
Christine O'Donnell is not Scott Brown. But you guys like that, I thought.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 14, 2010 08:04 PM (mHQ7T)
AmishDude, McCain watched Obama kick US in the balls and called him a friend and gentleman. Then Obama kicked McCain in the balls and McCain said . "Thank you Sir, may I have another".
Then Obama raped America, hired, Geithner, Sebellius, Chu, Rodham, Napolitano, Van Jones and a cast of DOZENS of CZARS.
McCain should be a lesson to us. He didn't fight and look what we got.
Posted by: gus at September 14, 2010 08:04 PM (C02p4)
Coons? Can't wait to see Obie campaigning for Coons. Think it'll happen?
Posted by: zoila at September 14, 2010 08:04 PM (dAyzh)
Posted by: Pipe Barackage at September 14, 2010 08:04 PM (Gwfoy)
Guess what? You lost!
Me. After my preferred Pres. candidate lost I held my nose and voted McCain.
If you can return the favor, we are cool and have a party. If you can't you're a fool and we're just as effed as you say we are.
G-night
Posted by: kidney at September 14, 2010 08:05 PM (ENRGu)
What the fuck do you think happens if the cons piss off the moderates?
I actually have to de-lurk to take issue with this statement. Moderates pissed off conservatives in 2008, yes. But after forcing their super-duper-electable-moderate-maverick on us a big chunk of the moderates then ditched us for The One. Especially after the Palin pick.
I'm not excited about the win tonight because I think Ms. O'Donnell has some character issues that are going to be hard to overcome in the general. That being said, she won the nomination fair and square and now we need to close ranks around her. And that should include the actual establishment keeping their mouths shut about their decision to not extend funding to her until they have a reason to say so- like the first poll results or whatnot.
I was watching Fox News when they called it for O'Donnell and it was literally within 5 minutes of the race being called that the NRSC released their statement. It even got the big, scary "BREAKING NEWS" graphics complete with the gong sound effect. I'm fine with them sending money elsewhere if they decide she's a lost cause but announcing within a few minutes of the race being called just screams of sour grapes.
Posted by: Mandy P. at September 14, 2010 08:05 PM (MK6Kx)
New Hampshire is a long way from Delaware so I can only judge this stuff from arm's length, but if half of what has been claimed about O'Donnell is true, she is a terrible candidate.
However the silver lining is just that. Someone with big ethical problems who has no right even coming close in a primary can still depose a "go along to get along" RINO simply because she espouses Tea Party principles.
Forget Delaware, think of how this message is going to send a chill to incumbents in the Senate who are not up for election this year.
Posted by: fapo at September 14, 2010 08:06 PM (TcaE8)
What is the cutoff in DE to switch parties or register?
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 14, 2010 08:06 PM (mHQ7T)
Yeah, nothing.
If the Senate were 80-20 R/D right now, there wouldn't be half enough conservatives in it to do anything good or to stop anything bad. There is no conservative party—as Rove and the RNSC have so pointedly reminded us this evening.
O'Donnell can't win, but at least the GOP lost. Best possible result. Pragmatically speaking.
Posted by: oblig. at September 14, 2010 08:06 PM (x7Ao8)
'But as for now, those who are rejoicing with glee must understand that you share your celebration with Harry Reid and the Democrats who couldn't be happier with this result.'
I am not rejoicing but there weren't any good choices here.
Reid would have been celebrating if Castle won. DE was a win win for him. Rebublicans would have voted for a fairly reliable wote for his side. Republicans would have voted for Democrat bi-partisian support of whatever next big ticket, media hyped boondogle that comes along.
Castle would have voted to expand the government and lessen liberty at every step and Republicans would get the blame, deservedly.
We have been following the super-strategist, hyper-cynical win at all costs strategy for a while and it has only grown government. I want it smaller.
Time to listen to other people.
Posted by: Repeal at September 14, 2010 08:07 PM (8xwyL)
Why do all these RINOs think that the democrats are going to turn out this election anyway
They are just as mad at this congress as Republicans are
so they are going to stay home
so why have a NAMB PAMBY canidate that doesnt energize the conservatives
who cares about winning over the liberals they wont be going to the polls anyway
Posted by: SukitTREBEK at September 14, 2010 08:07 PM (jBC6p)
Nope, the GOP is as thick as those people in Washington. They feel they know better and they don't have to listen to those annoying voters. In fact, I'm beginning to think if Harry Reid could attach something to the defense bill suspending voting for the near future cause we are at war, he would.
Posted by: curious at September 14, 2010 08:07 PM (p302b)
When the RINO is down 13 points in a Blue state is anyone here going to even be talking about the race? What are the bloggers here saying about Pennsylvania? Nevada? Florida? California?
Since when has fucking Delaware become the hill to die on and determine your bonafides as supporting conservative candidates?
Posted by: buzzion at September 15, 2010 12:04 AM (oVQFe)
You guys sure put alot of faith in one Daily Kos/PPP poll done in the middle of the primary.
Posted by: robtr at September 14, 2010 08:07 PM (fwSHf)
Posted by: K~Bob at September 14, 2010 08:07 PM (9b6FB)
Posted by: Joffen at September 14, 2010 08:07 PM (ddtXm)
How would "CONS" piss off "the moderates"?
Who are these MODERATES and where were they as OBAMA RAPED US??
Posted by: gus at September 14, 2010 08:07 PM (C02p4)
Posted by: CAC at September 14, 2010 08:08 PM (lV4Fs)
I'm thinking the Democrats are feeling pretty smug right now, and I can't wait to hear the DNC's "big announcement" tomorrow.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 14, 2010 08:08 PM (mHQ7T)
The NRSC are idiots for making the no $ announcement right now as opposed to later or in private.
However, the NRSC and every single political party/any entity ever created has limited resources and has to make strategic decisions on how to spend them. O'Donnell has done nothing to inspire any confidence that resources diverted to her from other potential races would be spent in a worthwhile manner.
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 14, 2010 08:08 PM (RC7LR)
Posted by: Quilly Mammmoth at September 14, 2010 11:05 PM (7rfUg)
You know what, suck a bag of dicks. Whether or not this is the politically expedient choice, the people of Delaware have the right to choose their elected representatives. If those choices are made on principle, you have no business opening your whore mouth and allowing such condescension to spew forth. I had no real preference in this fight for the reasons stated on both sides, but this quest-for-the-ultimate-moral-superiority shtick is getting old.
Posted by: Walter Sobchak at September 14, 2010 08:08 PM (iyvmV)
Posted by: Senator Brown at September 14, 2010 08:08 PM (bKnnS)
I heard just the other day that the Republicans were not going to be putting money into the Governor's race in Colorado because they thought it was a lost cause. That is a decision that people make when they allocate resources. If you look at who is in Delaware, what the party ID is and the demographics and then look at how far behind O'Donnell is and how little time is left...it would probably be a waste of time to give a lot of money to her campaign. Besides, there is the simple fact that she and her campaign have not exactly been supportive of the GOP thus far..now she wants their money. That seems kind of odd to me.
Posted by: Terrye at September 14, 2010 08:09 PM (UYcqZ)
Someone ANYONE tell me what a MODERATE REPUBLICAN is?
Give me an issue.
Abortion?? Taxes??? Socialism???? Cutting Military and shitting on our allies.
JUST ONE ISSUE. Tell me a MODERATE REPUBLICAN position.
And by MODERATE POSITION, I don't mean BENT OVER GRABBING ANKLES.
Posted by: gus at September 14, 2010 08:10 PM (C02p4)
Look at their ideologies, records, accomplishments, public persona....O'Donnell is no Scott Brown. That's just a fact.
There are GOP nominees for Senate in every state and a lot of them get no support. This isn't directed at O'Donnell, it's directed at any and every candidate that shows no viability.
Even if it is a losing cause, she has earned their support.
Who are you going to take money and staff from to help her? Again, in a limited resource environment, it's a zero sum game. Money and resources in DE is stuff not going to IL, NV, WV, FL, OH, KY, WI, CA, MO, etc.
Which one of those candidates who can win are you willing to risk on your long shot? And again, if O'Donnell gets money and support and is down 10+ points, why not the guys in NY? OR? HI? VT? etc.
Posted by: DrewM. at September 14, 2010 08:11 PM (ycZcD)
Bennett, Murkowski, Castle and Crist were all NRSC picks or quasi-picks. There is a lesson here and it is that primaries should never be....even for the NRSC (yeah, I know it is "their" money), a place for national organs of the party to interfere.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 14, 2010 08:11 PM (rNJC9)
What the fuck do you think happens if the cons piss off the moderates?
I actually have to de-lurk to take issue with this statement. Moderates pissed off conservatives in 2008, yes. But after forcing their super-duper-electable-moderate-maverick on us a big chunk of the moderates then ditched us for The One. Especially after the Palin pick.
Posted by: Mandy P. at September 15, 2010 12:05 AM (MK6Kx)
<Applause> Well said.
Posted by: GhostShip at September 14, 2010 08:11 PM (4VxpQ)
440 There's your civic class you brainless twat. Posted by: Quilly Mammmoth at September 14, 2010 11:44 PM (7rfUg) Reading is hard, but everyone should try it at least once. Posted by: The Dread Pirate Neck Beard
It's called "60" genius. But that would require reading beyond blogs...so I'm not optimistic.
The only way to end Obama's socialization of America is to gain enough seats to start writing laws and to do so with enough people to override his veto.
That will not happen if we throw people to the curb like Mike Castle in favor of an unelectable candidates.
What part of shooting ourselves in the head for the sake ideological purity do people not understand?
Posted by: Quilly Mammmoth at September 14, 2010 11:59 PM (7rfUg)
Hey you condescending prick. Educate yourself about what's required to override a presidential veto. It fucking takes 67, not 60:
To override a presidential veto, a supermajority vote of two-thirds of the voting members of each house, the House of Representatives and the Senate, is required. There are 435 voting representatives in the House. If all these representatives voted, it would take 2/3rds of 435 = 290 votes to override a veto. In the Senate, it also takes a 2/3rds of 100 members = 67 votes to override a veto. (But if only 90 actually voted, then it would take only 2/3 of 90 = 60 votes to override).
Assuming all members turn out to vote, 290 (House) + 67 (Senate) = 357 total votes are required to override a presidential veto.
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at September 14, 2010 08:12 PM (YVZlY)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 14, 2010 08:12 PM (L8kaT)
Hey deb, I haven't seen you for a while. I'm not sure but the other week on the ONT I said "fuck you commie" to you in jest and think maybe you took it as an actual insult. I'm sorry for that and it was meant as a humorous response to something you had posted earlier. It was not meant as an insult or to offend.
Posted by: buzzion at September 15, 2010 12:09 AM (oVQFe)
Hey buzz, you must have missed my response. You owe me a keyboard!!!1!!
I have a geat sense of humor (thankfully!!). No worries. It's why I love this joint.
Posted by: redstatedeb at September 14, 2010 08:12 PM (CluUg)
"For a guy with so much political knowledge, DrewM, you sure have no faith in the power of effort against great odds. " Eman
The strength of a candidate matters. To date, O'Donnell does not appear to have the intelligence, charisma or political skill of Brown. It reminds me a little of the 1993 NFL Playoffs when the Bills came back from a 32 point halftime deficit to beat the Oilers. The Bills made it to the Superbowl and faced the Cowboys. The Cowboys killed the Bills over the 1st half. Going into the locker someone asked Jimmy Johnson if he was afraid of the Bills doing to the Cowboys what the Bills did to the Oilers. JJ smiled and said "We are not the Oilers". The Cowboys stomped the Bills in the 2nd half.
O'Donnell could come from behind like Brown, but she does not seem to be a Brown (whom by the way, is probably only marginally more conservative than Castle).
Posted by: nc at September 14, 2010 08:12 PM (FPtHm)
Scott Brown did not go out of his way to alienate the people he needed financial support from either. And he is not as far right as O'Donnel and has always had support from Independents in Mass throughout his long career in that state. I am sure a lot of O'Donnell people think he is a squish because of his ability to work with both the GOP and the moderates. Besides there is not that much time left and O'Donnell has too many negatives.
Posted by: Terrye at September 14, 2010 08:13 PM (UYcqZ)
I'll absolutely support her. It'd be nice if your compatriots stopped saying I was teh fucking editor of the Marx-Engels reader every time I supported a relative moderate in a blue state.
@522
The funny thing is yeah - that is why I was ok with supportign Castle. I think he's too liberal but I still supported him because I wanted a high probability of having at least 50% of the votes of a senator from Delaware be conservative votes. Now with O'Donnell, I think she's an idiot (not ideologically, just a plain moron) but I'm am still going to support her despite her being longshot because there's a small chance we could have a strong conservative from Delaware.
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 14, 2010 08:14 PM (RC7LR)
Posted by: Joffen at September 14, 2010 08:14 PM (ddtXm)
If The NRSC doesnt want to spend OUR MONEY
where we want them to then FUCK THE NRSC
Ill send my MONEY to the SOURCE
Posted by: SukitTREBEK at September 14, 2010 08:15 PM (jBC6p)
Stop with the fricking analysis paralysis Ace. The most dynamic movement in the last 150 years is the tea party phenomenon and intellectualizing the non-perfect conservative against the non-perfect RINO is wearing thin and should be shelved in now supporting O'Donnell who I would imagine is more aligned than not with your professed conservative ideology.
Perhaps those of us who supported O'Donnell, taking a page out of the Castle apologists' play book, should now tell the NRC to pound sand. Does that sound sophisticated Ace? Does that sound pragmatic Ace?
Guess not . . . and perhaps a teachable moment in DE tonite?
Posted by: journolist at September 14, 2010 08:15 PM (O/NP5)
What is the cutoff in DE to switch parties or register?
There are a bunch of dates --
March 30 was the last date to switch affiliations if you wanted to vote in the primaries.
Aug. 21 was the last date to register to vote in primaries if you weren't already affiliated with another party
Oct. 9 is the last date to register for the general.
Posted by: GrayFlannelDwarf at September 14, 2010 08:15 PM (suygc)
Posted by: curious at September 14, 2010 08:15 PM (p302b)
Makes her more of an outsider. Make her anti-establishment for sure. Which is what I think voters are looking for.
Plus she's cute and she beat Castle. Many morons prob beat their Bishop wishing it was O'D.
So now this coons dude.... he's said he's a bearded marxist? Well O'D could come out to say she likes her Beaver shaven. Then we'd have the ultimate fight, the Bearded Coon vs the Clean Beaver. I'm all for the clean beaver.
Posted by: blindgoose at September 14, 2010 08:18 PM (hZOQ8)
Posted by: CAC at September 14, 2010 08:18 PM (lV4Fs)
As for "better places to send your money," what a joke. It doesn't matter where you send your money, as long as everyone who wants a win does whatever they can.
That is clearly not the same as "not helping a certain candidate we called an insane liar."
Spend your money however you want.
Posted by: K~Bob at September 14, 2010 08:18 PM (9b6FB)
Posted by: eman at September 14, 2010 08:18 PM (Q3cxl)
Posted by: curious at September 15, 2010 12:15 AM (p302b)
It's because Rhee was succeeding that Fenty now must go, like those ver few vouchers the people cried to keep.
Posted by: redstatedeb at September 14, 2010 08:18 PM (CluUg)
Potential positions you would see out of a moderate:
Abortion: Reluctance to overturn Roe vs. Wade, but against Partial Birth Abortion, federal funding of abortions and in support of parental notification.
Taxes: Generally opposed to raising taxes and prefers spending cuts to taxes, but when forced will accept marginal tax increases.
Government: Opposed to increasing government size, but not bothered about the current size.
And on every issue there are gradations across the spectrum. What the tea partiers fail to realize is that there is an enormous difference between having a complete liberal on these issues versus somebody who can at least support the above positions from a blue state. Don't let your ignorance and bias on what moderate means blind you from the potential benefit of having them in the senate in place of liberals.
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 14, 2010 08:20 PM (RC7LR)
Fuck all of you.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 14, 2010 08:21 PM (4kQvq)
Ya'll been rolled.
Posted by: Quilly Mammmoth at September 14, 2010 11:27 PM (7rfUg)
Notice the media consultant got all her endorsements from pundits like Levin, Limbaugh, Hannity, Malkin and Palin. DeMint and Bachman were the only politicians who endorsed her; they raise quite a bit of money crowing about their purity. They should spread the wealth around. I would hope endorsing an outsider would prompt them to do the polite thing and write a check.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 14, 2010 08:21 PM (mHQ7T)
Posted by: Rocks at September 14, 2010 08:21 PM (ivAmM)
Posted by: Rollory at September 14, 2010 08:21 PM (XGnEq)
Posted by: Joffen at September 14, 2010 08:21 PM (ddtXm)
GUS
A moderate republican is someone like Mccain
who spends most of his time with the other teams and not his own
Posted by: SukitTREBEK at September 14, 2010 08:21 PM (jBC6p)
Don't know what to think about that, but frankly I have to worry first about getting the Cadillac of Governors, Coupe Deval Patrick (D-MA) fired before he and his buds in the general court bankrupt us all.
Posted by: DocJ at September 14, 2010 08:21 PM (AWzOz)
Posted by: gm at September 14, 2010 08:23 PM (ELiBu)
Delaware is a teeeeeny tiny teeeeeeeensy State.
It has 2 Senators, just like California.
O'Donnell is clearly more Conservative and sane than Coons.
What's the ISSUE folks.
I think I have an answer to my own question. Even self described Conseratives can be squishes. I mean, the "CONVENTIONAL WISDOM", is neither conventional nor wise.
Some of "us", have been domesticated by our lives viewing LIBTARD MEDIA outlets. We accept SOME ONE ELSE's TEMPLATE.
O'Donnell WILL LOSE, if squishes get squishy. Who the FUCK is COONS.
But here is my really DEEP analysis. Sarah Palin.
Some of you FUCKTARDS have bought into the IDEA, that Sarah Palin is either UNELECTABLE or SHE ISN'T SMART.
Those of you who believe this are just plain old fasioned REEEEEETARDS.
Don't let the MEDIA LIE/DRUM BEAT..................think for you.
We saw it with G.W.BUSH. Where even good normally conservative peeps, started to buy into the HYPE/NONSENSE.
GROW A SPINE OR BALLS FOLKS.
Posted by: gus at September 14, 2010 08:23 PM (C02p4)
Posted by: CAC at September 14, 2010 08:23 PM (lV4Fs)
No, I doubt if there is any real hope of winning the Senate without Castle. It might happen, I might win the powerball, an asteroid might hit earth..but I just do not get why the O'Donnell people actually think the NRSC is going to spend money on a race that they knew was not electable. Time and again I was told that it did not matter if O'Donnell could win the general, the important thing was that they send a message. Well, fine they did that..that does not change the fact that O'Donnell probably can not win.
Posted by: Terrye at September 14, 2010 08:23 PM (UYcqZ)
Posted by: mrp at September 14, 2010 08:23 PM (HjPtV)
Posted by: DocJ at September 14, 2010 08:24 PM (AWzOz)
Google on the issues. Look at the voting record of politicians. You will find what we mean by moderates or centrists.
Then stop blathering nonsense rhetoric.
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 14, 2010 08:24 PM (RC7LR)
Posted by: eman at September 15, 2010 12:18 AM (Q3cxl)
I've never said any such thing.
I had to be dragged kicking and screaming to vote for McCain in '08. I get that when you don't get who you want, you're not expecting to become the winner's biggest fan.
And the Senate is probably out of reach if she losses. It was going to take a clean sweep of the tossups to do it and we just threw away a freebie for a long shot. Now you have to find another race to win and have no margin with the toss-ups.
Posted by: DrewM. at September 14, 2010 08:24 PM (ycZcD)
Posted by: K~Bob at September 14, 2010 08:24 PM (9b6FB)
Posted by: Joffen at September 14, 2010 08:26 PM (ddtXm)
Yes. 2010 or we are totally boned. Every house seat, every senate seat, every governor, we want it all. We need every frickin vote.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 14, 2010 08:26 PM (L8kaT)
Posted by: eman at September 14, 2010 08:27 PM (Q3cxl)
There are 885,000 people in Delaware. Less than 60,000 votes were cast in that primary tonight. What does that tell you about the Republican party in Delaware? And I don't think O'Donnell is all that smart or honest for that matter and I would not be surprised if the Democrats do not have stuff on her that we have not even heard about yet.
If you nominate and unelectable candidate, don't blame everyone else if she can't get elected.
Posted by: Terrye at September 14, 2010 08:27 PM (UYcqZ)
Everyone here listed her faults, and they were attacked as establishment shills. Well, they can shill for whoever they like, and they told you so. Nobody will say anything bad about O'Donnell, but what is there about her that's good? The real issue, though, is somehow NRSC is a villain for not wasting money on her. Her supporters are vocally opposed to the Republican party. They all sound like the left. Nobody owes her anything, especially after she went out of her way to talk shit about "the good old boys," everyone from Bill Kristol to NRO. She burned a lot of bridges.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 14, 2010 08:28 PM (mHQ7T)
SukitTREBEK, you are correct. 2 WORDS. Term limits.
McCain has gotten way way way too comfortable BEING PALS and COCKTAILING, DINING and BBQ'ing with the HIGH CLASS HOITY TOITY Ruling 'TARDS.
The temptations of having power and fame and a modicum of wealth secure retirement and definite oppurtunities financially upon leaving office, if ever....over rides the reason for McCain being there.
GOING ALONG TO GET ALONG.
As we get fucked down the river.
Posted by: gus at September 14, 2010 08:28 PM (C02p4)
Rocks at September 15, 2010 12:21 AM (ivAmM
The library is chock full of books with the title of "Great Moderates in History"
Posted by: Ronster at September 14, 2010 08:28 PM (q08oe)
Not to nit-pick, Drew - but doesn't the fact that Castle lost this primary make his status as someone who would have been a "freebie" in the general more than a little suspect?
And I say that as someone who would probably have voted for the squish for strategic reasons, mind you.
Posted by: DocJ at September 14, 2010 08:30 PM (AWzOz)
Posted by: curious at September 14, 2010 08:30 PM (p302b)
Posted by: gm at September 14, 2010 08:30 PM (ELiBu)
Posted by: SJR2 at September 14, 2010 08:31 PM (oCbCP)
Posted by: Dr. Spank at September 14, 2010 08:31 PM (Y81Xa)
Well, I have heard a lot fuck yous and you sucks and die gop die and to hell with the rnc and Republicans suck and who needs you elites anyway and all manner of crap in the last few days and now all of a sudden the winners in this expect everyone to just kiss and make up? I don't know about that.
Posted by: Terrye at September 14, 2010 08:31 PM (UYcqZ)
Pretty broad brush there. They might just be conservatives, which the establishment gop seem vocally opposed.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 14, 2010 08:32 PM (L8kaT)
Posted by: Terrye at September 15, 2010 12:27 AM (UYcqZ)
I heartily agree!
Posted by: John McCain at September 14, 2010 08:32 PM (9b6FB)
Posted by: Chef Mojo at September 14, 2010 08:32 PM (Z2CfR)
spoiler alert
if you dont like caps dont read
I AM SICK AND TIERED OF BEING TOLD THAT CONSERVATISM CANT WIN ELECTIONS
EVEN I BLUE STATES
THIS WHOLE BIG TENT OLD SCHOOL CRAP IS JUST THAT
OLD CRAP!!!!!
you small cap people can now look again
Posted by: SukitTREBEK at September 14, 2010 08:32 PM (jBC6p)
Posted by: DocJ at September 15, 2010 12:30 AM (AWzOz)
I don't think so.
The general electorate in DE is very different (i.e. much more liberal) than the GOP primary electorate. Castle has a 30+ year record of winning in statewide runs.
Look at this way, just because some Democrat wins the primary to run for the Senate in Wyoming, doesn't mean he won't get trounced. You simply can't project the minority party's primary voters onto the general electorate.
Posted by: DrewM. at September 14, 2010 08:33 PM (ycZcD)
Posted by: Joffen at September 14, 2010 08:33 PM (ddtXm)
She will be trotted out by the MFM anytime they need a stupid Republican to tar all of us with
Who gives a flying F what the MFM says. They have Al, Found a couple hundred votes in the trunk, Franken. If you think she's a clown, fine but she's our clown.
If 60 of the clowns in the Senate were ours, we'd be in the cat seat no?
Posted by: KZnextzone at September 14, 2010 08:34 PM (lDrlK)
Get over MSM or MFM or whatever you call it. You can't please them. They are statists. Why the concern?
Posted by: currently at September 14, 2010 08:34 PM (tF81f)
Posted by: CAC at September 14, 2010 08:34 PM (lV4Fs)
Posted by: GT at September 14, 2010 08:35 PM (Vyrg6)
Let me translate Trebek:
I have red, swollen emotions, and I want everyone to react to them or pay the price. Deal with me!
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 14, 2010 08:35 PM (tkcGj)
To be fair, the O'Donnell/Tea Party folks are really just reaping what they sowed with their scorched earth tactics against every opponent they face, regardless of what party they're in. The examples of their obliviousness are painfully obvious by looking at the comments you see here, Mark Levin lunatic diatribes and even people like Jim Hoft floating stupid disingenuous arguments.
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 14, 2010 08:35 PM (RC7LR)
Posted by: eman at September 14, 2010 08:36 PM (Q3cxl)
Posted by: gm at September 14, 2010 08:36 PM (ELiBu)
Posted by: Joffen at September 14, 2010 08:36 PM (ddtXm)
Well, that's a fair point, Drew. But it doesn't change the fact that Castle evidently ran a pretty crappy campaign against a challenger who is, by all outward appearances, uh, let's just say rather less than stable.
Absolutely no guarantee such craptacular campaigning wouldn't have creeped it's way into the general, is all I'm saying.
Posted by: DocJ at September 14, 2010 08:36 PM (AWzOz)
Well, I have heard a lot fuck yous and you sucks and die gop die and to hell with the rnc and Republicans suck and who needs you elites anyway and all manner of crap in the last few days and now all of a sudden the winners in this expect everyone to just kiss and make up? I don't know about that.
Posted by: Terrye at September 15, 2010 12:31 AM (UYcqZ)
Oh, no.
Posted by: John McCain at September 14, 2010 08:36 PM (9b6FB)
http://tinyurl.com/2g72t5h
and also the whole crew of Redummicran insiders here who keep fucking that rhino.
Posted by: Rollory at September 15, 2010 12:21 AM (XGnEq)
That was a great read! Thanks.
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at September 14, 2010 08:37 PM (YVZlY)
Posted by: SJR2 at September 14, 2010 08:37 PM (oCbCP)
Posted by: CAC at September 14, 2010 08:38 PM (lV4Fs)
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 14, 2010 08:38 PM (RC7LR)
Why would anyone give to the NRSC if they're just going to throw money away?
And why would O'Donnell's warriors of virtue want backing from a bunch of inside-the-Beltway good ol' boys anyway? Now they want the support of the same establishment they've been screaming about purging from the party?
Uh uh. The national organizations, you know, those evil RINOs hiding under everyone's bushes, should pull all resources from Delaware immediately. Let the bitch drown in the shit of her own making. They'll be happy, crusading-outsider Christine O'Donnell will be happy, her supporters who spent so much time crowing about how they didn't really want to win the Senate anyway will be happy; everything will be fuckin' peachy. The rest of us who actually want to take power will redouble our efforts in races that still matter.
This grifter scrunt is dead to me.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 14, 2010 08:38 PM (4kQvq)
This wasn't/isn't a life-or-death hill; it was/is expendable, tactically. A message. A flare.
Castle's vote as part of a long-term strategy was a hope, not a reality.
So now there's a new hope in town.
KA-BOOM!
Posted by: vote red at September 14, 2010 08:38 PM (IAIJj)
Been asking the same thing all freaking night. They must be sending the vote totals for the towns in by carrier pigeon.
Posted by: DocJ at September 14, 2010 08:38 PM (AWzOz)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 14, 2010 08:39 PM (L8kaT)
Seriously, I get how Delaware doesn't take long, you could carpet the state for about $500, but how does NY have 80%+ of the vote in and NH 50%?
Posted by: GT at September 14, 2010 08:40 PM (Vyrg6)
But go ahead and twist your panties proving that absolutely no money isn't vindictive bullshit but instead some brand of "Beta-male" super logic. That'll win you future support.
Posted by: William at September 14, 2010 08:40 PM (+zM6M)
Posted by: K~Bob at September 14, 2010 08:40 PM (9b6FB)
Posted by: gm at September 14, 2010 08:41 PM (ELiBu)
Posted by: Sluts at September 14, 2010 08:41 PM (86FvD)
Guy, I have GREAT instincts. Whether TACTICALLY the NRSC is on the right path or not.
THEY DON'T GET IT. They are part of the BELTWAY party clan.
They are telling a VERY MOBILIZED BASE to FUCK OFF.
Posted by: gus at September 14, 2010 08:41 PM (C02p4)
you can't make a hole in the page with the eraser, it has to be done just so
Posted by: . at September 14, 2010 08:41 PM (p302b)
I didn't like him and wouldn't have spent another moment on him either, until election night. I would have been happy to chalk up the W. I would have spent time in the next 6 years screaming about some of his votes but like Scott Brown, that's life.
My feeling on DE was it was either going to be a no brainer win w/Castle or a no brainer loss with O'Donnell. Either way....no time put in to it.
I will give O'Donnell as much time and thought as I will every other GOP candidate down 10+ points in a blue state...none.
Again, let me ask you...how much thought/effort should we give a guy like Joe DioGuardi?
Posted by: DrewM. at September 14, 2010 08:42 PM (ycZcD)
Posted by: rawmuse at September 14, 2010 08:43 PM (+Tw/n)
Fixed.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 14, 2010 08:43 PM (4kQvq)
If there was ever an election cycle where it might pay off, it's this one. But even if O'Donnell is elected in this big wave she's going to have to heel pretty hard to the left to keep her seat next time around.
Posted by: Ace's liver at September 14, 2010 08:44 PM (XIXhw)
This thread has run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!
Posted by: K~Bob at September 14, 2010 08:44 PM (9b6FB)
Posted by: gm at September 14, 2010 08:44 PM (ELiBu)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 14, 2010 08:45 PM (L8kaT)
Posted by: MlR at September 14, 2010 08:45 PM (bXmuq)
Probably because he hasn't had a real campaign in decades.
He wouldn't have had one this year either. Remember, Coons only got the nod because Beau Biden was too scared of Castle. Castle has eaten guys like Coons up for 30 years. Castle was ready for that, not an attack from the right. It cost him.
Posted by: DrewM. at September 14, 2010 08:45 PM (ycZcD)
Posted by: Fresh Air at September 14, 2010 08:46 PM (bIgjn)
The self delusion of the Castle bootlickers never ceases to amaze me, Castle and his lackeys just spent two weeks trashing O'Donnell in a way that hasn't been seen since the media went after Palin and you think it's O'Donnell who's created this division? Damn, just damn.
Posted by: Cal Jones at September 14, 2010 08:46 PM (awinc)
Posted by: . at September 14, 2010 08:46 PM (p302b)
[D]oesn't the fact that Castle lost this primary make his status as someone who would have been a "freebie" in the general more than a little suspect?
No. The primary is a different beast because it overstated conservative voters strength as a proportion of the Delaware electorate.
Castle had crossover appeal from independents and democrats. There was a reason Beau Biden didn't run for that seat -- Mike Castle. (Sure you can say if he has lot of appeal to Dems I don't want him -- but in Delaware a Republican needs that crossover).
In 13 statewide general election he never had less than 55% -- and that was only 2x. Most elections he was well over 60% and often around 70%.
In the non-incumbent Senate elections this cycle, Castle one of the GOP's strongest pickups.
Posted by: GrayFlannelDwarf at September 14, 2010 08:46 PM (suygc)
Who is ahead? DioGuardi? Yeah, he's won the nomination to run against Gillibrand. He's waaaaayyyy behind her though.
Posted by: DrewM. at September 14, 2010 08:46 PM (ycZcD)
I am most leery of the "Wave" binky.
Due to observing local elections and propositions.
Doesn't quite matter, the emotional tide of the electorate.
Democrats get their asses out and vote!
Rain or shine, those fuckers always show up to pull the lever for more "Me me me!"
And they get it.
More and more and more....
All of the rhetoric, all of the wrath, all of the thoughtful consideration of policy matters to just about, jack squat.
There are 15 of the me-mees! for every 1of us.
The trick is to cajole enough of the me-mees! into believing that they will "get theirs" by pulling hard on the oars, one side or another.
Posted by: Deety (trying to foment bloody civil war) at September 14, 2010 08:47 PM (aVzyR)
Well I am sure some of them did. But when Mark Levin started calling everyone from the Powerline guys to John McCormack to Patterico idiots and jack asses, he most just got a lot of atta boys from the O'Donnell fan club. When Riehl came up with some completely nonsensical crap about Castle wanting to impeach Bush I did not hear a lot of talk about people being unfair...when Hannity said that Castle voted for Obamacare, no one doubted his honesty even though it was a lie..when Rush said that Castle voted for the stimulus people just thought that was fine and dandy..true or not...but when it was noted that O'Donnell had issues with the truth, she had strange financial problems and questionable claims in a frivolous lawsuit the reaction was that all these people were just horrid RINOs and elites who wanted to pick on Christine. Poor baby.
Now we hear gimme money.
Posted by: Terrye at September 14, 2010 08:47 PM (UYcqZ)
Posted by: GT at September 14, 2010 08:47 PM (Vyrg6)
Posted by: Countaxula at September 14, 2010 08:48 PM (jBC6p)
Perhaps.
But we'll never know now. Will we.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
Posted by: DocJ at September 14, 2010 08:48 PM (AWzOz)
She won. When you win, you act like it.
Posted by: AmishDude at September 14, 2010 08:49 PM (3wPsb)
Posted by: Robin at September 14, 2010 08:49 PM (5OY7h)
Posted by: Make about a bunch of purity freaks, yeah at September 14, 2010 08:50 PM (9b6FB)
It's me, I'm the unabashed Adrian Fenty fan and I feel like DC is shooting itself in the foot. That man is gold and they are too ignorant to see it. He has transformed that city in four short years.
and he's cute too and has a brain and a conscience...you know that stupid old fashioned thing called character which is backed up with integrity.
Posted by: . at September 14, 2010 08:50 PM (p302b)
50/50 Senate at 15%
The Delaware race fell from a toss up to a ~25/75 likelihood with OÂ’Donnell winning tonight. 51+ also took a hit from the DE expectation drop.
•First wave ately at risk
FL: 70/25/5
KY: 80/20
LA: 90/10
MO: 80/20
NC: 85/15
NH: 60/40
OH: 80/20
•Second wave
AR: 95/5
IN: 90/10
ND: 95/5
•Third wave
PA: 79/19/2
•Fourth wave
CO: 70/30
IL: 55/45
NV: 35/65
•Fifth wave is where this gets hairy
CA: 45/55
CT: 25/75
WA: 50/50
WI: 50/50
WV: 35/65
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 14, 2010 08:50 PM (mHQ7T)
Posted by: navycopjoe (hungry and armed) at September 14, 2010 08:50 PM (gg4j2)
Posted by: Ace's liver at September 14, 2010 08:51 PM (XIXhw)
I suspect if Castle had won this primary and the Delaware Senate seat, and the GOP ended up with 51 seats in the Senate, he would be at the top of the list of Republicans to be bribed by the Democrats into switching parties ala Jeffords or Specter.
Posted by: davidt at September 14, 2010 08:51 PM (9Pzy7)
Posted by: Chef Mojo at September 14, 2010 08:51 PM (Z2CfR)
Posted by: navycopjoe (hungry and armed) at September 15, 2010 12:50 AM (gg4j2)
Heh heh.
Posted by: Ace's liver at September 14, 2010 08:52 PM (XIXhw)
Posted by: CAC at September 14, 2010 08:52 PM (lV4Fs)
I guess in the O'Donnell telling of it, she ran a purely positive, issues oriented campaign.
Bust those Castle/RINO/Establishment types were just playing dirty. I mean, people were quoting her! And pointing out her resume and past statements. How fucking low can those RINOs sink?
Posted by: DrewM. at September 14, 2010 08:52 PM (ycZcD)
Posted by: eman at September 14, 2010 08:52 PM (Q3cxl)
Posted by: mike green at September 14, 2010 08:52 PM (yrHh/)
The tea party is about fiscal conservatism, they were never going to support Castle. Why is that crazy?
Posted by: Dr. Spank at September 14, 2010 08:53 PM (Y81Xa)
Posted by: K~Bob at September 14, 2010 08:53 PM (9b6FB)
Posted by: DrewM. at September 14, 2010 08:53 PM (ycZcD)
Are you a fucking retard?
Suggesting Castle way gay and cheated on his wife is cool in your book? Slandering him by saying he wanted to impeach Bush is fine. Calling him a fake republican/liberal is ok?
And you're trying to play a bullshit victim card on a bonafide moron who's biggest claim to fame was a 7 million dollar gender discerimination suit against a conservative organization based on the fact she was demoted for running a private business out of her office despite the fact that OMG she appeared on fox news!
Either way, it doesn't matter. Now if you want to win, you need him and his supporters. She might be a prude, but she's toast if she doesn't realize she need to get on her knees soon.
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 14, 2010 08:53 PM (RC7LR)
think it will happen. Can't wait for Beck to prove this on his show.
Posted by: . at September 14, 2010 08:54 PM (p302b)
I suspect if Castle had won this primary and the Delaware Senate seat, and the GOP ended up with 51 seats in the Senate, he would be at the top of the list of Republicans to be bribed by the Democrats into switching parties ala Jeffords or Specter.
Posted by: davidt at September 15, 2010 12:51 AM (9Pzy7)
Ah, Jeffords. That's what we need. Another Jeffords.
Posted by: Ace's liver at September 14, 2010 08:54 PM (XIXhw)
analog thinking in a digital age is what hurt us in 2006
if you want to stay behind with the geriatric OLD SCHOOL
who am I to stop you
Posted by: Countaxula at September 14, 2010 08:54 PM (jBC6p)
A Rep. Mike Castle (R-Del.) campaign source confirmed to The Hill late Tuesday that the longtime congressman will not be endorsing Christine O'Donnell.
Posted by: mrp at September 14, 2010 08:54 PM (HjPtV)
"If you think watching a stray dog wander onto a freeway is fun."
Is it a real dog or one of them little yappy things?
Posted by: gebrauchshund at September 14, 2010 08:55 PM (ADeN1)
So much vitriol in here toward O'Donell.
The race is over. You lost. Time to unite and get out your wallets.
You do want that 51st seat don't you?
PS it is winnable.
PPS this just in: CASTLE WILL NOT SUPPORT O'DONNELL.
HMMM. I hate RINO's.
Posted by: Repeal at September 14, 2010 08:56 PM (8xwyL)
"Hey NRSC, how about some love?"
NRSC: "Fuck off!"
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 14, 2010 08:56 PM (L8kaT)
Posted by: DrewM. at September 15, 2010 12:52 AM (ycZcD)
That worked out well for them didn't it?
Posted by: robtr at September 14, 2010 08:56 PM (fwSHf)
Agreed. Murkowski needs an etiquette lesson as well.
Posted by: GT at September 14, 2010 08:56 PM (Vyrg6)
You know, this reminds me of Bloomberg. He ran as an R and nobody was under any illusions that he really was. Then he went I and then crazy.
But I think he truly got a pass. He wasn't let into the party circles in any meaningful sense and the GOP went to no effort to keep him in the fold.
I think it would be the same with Fenty. He'd be a DIABLO and everybody would know it and be perfectly satisfied. Besides, he couldn't go any higher as a DC resident anyway.
Posted by: AmishDude at September 14, 2010 08:56 PM (3wPsb)
Then you give her money. Throw her a money bomb. You guys are all about giving directly to the candidates. Put your money where your mouth is. If she shows improvement, the NRSC might come around.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 14, 2010 08:57 PM (mHQ7T)
Posted by: KZnextzone at September 14, 2010 08:57 PM (lDrlK)
We'll never know.It also doesn't matter. The fact is the O'Donnell boosters got what they want. Good for them, honestly. But that doesn't mean the rest of us have to care as much about this as they do.
This was the big race for the last two weeks. Now there are 10-15 more interesting and winnable ones out there (just in the Senate), this one will fade in importance. That's not the fault of people who didn't support O'Donnell.
Don't worry, when the inevitable money bomb is run by O'Donnell,, I'm sure Ace or someone will post on it. But beyond that, unless there's news, what's there to say?
Posted by: DrewM. at September 14, 2010 08:57 PM (ycZcD)
But I do not want to waste a lot of resources on this state. I don't think it is worth it. sorry. I feel bad about it, but I am just done with Delaware.
Posted by: Terrye at September 14, 2010 08:58 PM (UYcqZ)
Elaine Marshall has a better chance of unseating Burr than 17% in that model.
Meanwhile, only N. Dakota, Arkansas and Indiana are better bets than a Castle victory.
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 14, 2010 08:58 PM (RC7LR)
I'm beginning to think that he's posting on here. What an ungracious sore loser. But he can always go and teach cause by not endorsing her he probably has killed any future political plans.
Posted by: curious at September 14, 2010 08:58 PM (p302b)
What GOP? It's a total mess here. I don't even think Bloomberg had an R challenger for his third term.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 14, 2010 08:58 PM (mHQ7T)
If true, and if Castle follows-through on that in the days to come, he deserves every last ounce of the derision he's received on this and other threads tonight.
Posted by: DocJ at September 14, 2010 08:59 PM (AWzOz)
Good Riddance. Even if he would have won the senate, we would have lost. And to think I was pragmatically supporting him. Helluva team player, that one.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 14, 2010 09:00 PM (L8kaT)
Yeah, i know that one dude who wasn't even a part of her campaign anymore said Castle was gay and that completely justifies all the shit Castle and his fuckwitted lackeys (that would be you asshat) vomited out for two weeks. I realize you can't handle reality, but it is what it is, you people lost this for Castle with your bullshit smear campaign, people saw through it and sent a big fuck you to Castle and his little bootlickers (again that would be you asshat). Enjoy your self delusion, you'll need it.
Posted by: Cal Jones at September 14, 2010 09:00 PM (awinc)
Well, he was an "old fossil," anyway. So, he can be a lobbyist now and retire. He's had a longer career than she has, but she decided she'd try and destroy his marriage instead of talking about his record.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 14, 2010 09:01 PM (mHQ7T)
The race is over. You lost. Time to unite and get out your wallets.
Why? Why spend money there? Send it to NV, WV, PA, CT, WI, WA, CA, FL etc. first. Much better investment.
Posted by: AmishDude at September 14, 2010 09:01 PM (3wPsb)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 15, 2010 12:58 AM (mHQ7T)
It always annoys me that this: Nydia M. Velázquez seems to be a dem seat for life....the republicans never field a challenger to her
Posted by: curious at September 14, 2010 09:01 PM (p302b)
Posted by: Doc at September 14, 2010 09:01 PM (MYT77)
I want to make a difference.
Where should I send it? Rubio? Portman? Angle? Blount? Whoever wins in NH? Or on O'Donnell.
I'd love to see someone honestly make the case why I should send her the money more than anyone of the above. There are more choices but let's go with those.
Posted by: DrewM. at September 14, 2010 09:02 PM (ycZcD)
Fox News: NRSC wonÂ’t spend a dime on OÂ’Donnell
well well, so much for the republicans!! fn assholes!!
Posted by: lou at September 14, 2010 09:02 PM (AwCWP)
Posted by: eman at September 14, 2010 09:02 PM (Q3cxl)
The race is over. You lost. Time to unite and get out your wallets.
Why? Why spend money there? Send it to NV, WV, PA, CT, WI, WA, CA, FL etc. first. Much better investment.
Precisely. DE is a loss. Thanks TP!
Posted by: Barbarian at September 14, 2010 09:03 PM (EL+OC)
she's got them Marty Feldman eyes,
those redrum screamin' lips
those crazy little finger signs and
barely covered hips.
She got those voodoo rings way up in her nose,
and a spell for makin' gris gris,
and always says them crazy words
bout please youself an' please me
Oh yeah she's craaazy (crazy as a loon)
Yeah craaazy (she made up this here tune)
---
That's enough. Yeah, you must have inside info or something to know that about someone. But Delaware is a small state, so stranger things can happen.
Posted by: K~Bob at September 14, 2010 09:03 PM (9b6FB)
Yeah all those comments asking him to put his man pants on and tell him to stop acting girly were just innocuous. And god are you dumbfucks going to be surprised when you see the rules the dems and msm are giong to play her with.
Good job proving you can win a majority of dialed in activists in Delaware. Welcome to the rest of the state - you'll find its a different animal.
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 14, 2010 09:03 PM (RC7LR)
Posted by: mrp at September 15, 2010 12:54 AM (HjPtV)
Hey Mike, what a way to support your party, cocksucker!
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at September 14, 2010 09:03 PM (YVZlY)
Wow, what a shock. Another RINO Republican bitter over defeat turning his back on the party. Does he even have a soul I wonder.
Posted by: Dr. Spank at September 14, 2010 09:04 PM (Y81Xa)
So? I wouldn't either if I were him, and had had the kinds of lies and smears she and her backers have thrown at Castle hurled at me.
Now, if Castle endorses the Democrat then yeah, he should fuck off. No losing Republican candidate should ever do that, regardless of the circumstances. But sit on his hands? Yeah, I'm totally with that. Why the fuck do you idiots now want the support of someone you've been trying to drive out of the party?
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 14, 2010 09:04 PM (4kQvq)
What'd she get - 25,000 votes? Some giant Red Wave there! There were more people than that in the porta-johns while Glenn Beck was speaking a couple weeks ago. Her voters could fill a rest stop on the Delaware Turnpike. Most of Castle's voters are going to stay home or vote for Coons. She'll be lucky to break 50,000 in November.
She's a caricature of a candidate. The Democrats will make mincemeat of her. And her whiny little "poor me, the establishment is attacking me because I am standing up for freedom!!1!!!111!!" bullshit won't sell against a Democrat who hasn't been around long either. It's a fucking BLUE STATE, people. 55 percent of them still think Barack Obama is doing a super-fine job.
I cannot believe these dipshits in Delaware have just screwed us out of a Senate majority. It is COMPLETE wishcasting to believe O'Donnell has any chance of winning.
Oh, and good for John Cornyn to refuse to give her any money. She would just spend it on rent and shoes, which is all she has done for the 5 years she has been a professional candidate.
Posted by: rockmom at September 14, 2010 09:04 PM (w/gVZ)
Gad, we could be looking at a recount - and at the rate the original count is coming in the GOP nominee won't be settled in a recount until about Christmas.
Posted by: DocJ at September 14, 2010 09:05 PM (AWzOz)
Posted by: AmishDude at September 14, 2010 09:05 PM (3wPsb)
Mike Castle went pretty easy on O'Donnell. Her interview with Gaffney, her employment history, her finances, her claims about how many counties she won against Biden, her uncorroborated stories about being stalked, her suit against ISI -- those were all matters of record and her quotes which everyone posted here ad infinitum. It's no big deal, but rather strange that these fuckwit lackeys are supposed to pay her mortgage now and sing her praises.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 14, 2010 09:05 PM (mHQ7T)
Drew, I make the case that in this environment the Rubio, Angle Portmann et als WILL WIN.
The O'Donnell campaign COULD WIN in this tsunami, but SHE NEEDS your cash more than the rest.
But if you are trying to defend the NRSC and it's press release.
YOU ARE NUTS.
The Republican Senate Campaign BOSSES should have slept on this and kept their POWER dry.
They displayed their BELTWAY GOOD OLD Boys mentality. TOO EARLY
Posted by: gus at September 14, 2010 09:06 PM (C02p4)
You're simply not dealing in reality.
And I'm sorry but given the current state of play, O'Donnell isn't "likely or shaky", she's barely on life support in political terms.
It's like saying you'd like to invest in GM 3 days before Obama took it over. It's not a winning plan.
Posted by: DrewM. at September 14, 2010 09:06 PM (ycZcD)
A candidate for President in 2008 with no career accomplishments and a questionable background is BAD.
A candidate for Senate in 2010 with no career accomplishments and a questionable background is GOOD.
Alright then. She'd better win. Otherwise we can thank her, Palin, Hannity, and the "tea party patriots" for every terrible vote that Coons will definitely make. You thought you were worried about Cap and Trade before? Oh, here it comes.
Posted by: rob at September 14, 2010 09:06 PM (GEICE)
Because you behave like an adult and a team player and you acknowledge the will of your constituency.
Because a real public servant realizes it's not about him.
Posted by: AmishDude at September 14, 2010 09:07 PM (3wPsb)
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 14, 2010 09:07 PM (RC7LR)
List of vindictive little bitches:
Bennett - UT
Murkowski - AK
Specter - PA
Crist - FL
Castle - DE
Who am I missing?
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at September 14, 2010 09:07 PM (YVZlY)
Posted by: Mike Castle at September 14, 2010 09:07 PM (4kQvq)
Posted by: rawmuse at September 14, 2010 09:08 PM (+Tw/n)
Like what was vomited? You know when I decided that I really could not support O'Donnell? When I listened to her in that Gaffney interview and she just flat lied. No one did it to her, no one lied about her, no one made her do it. She said she won 2 out of 3 counties in her race against Biden and she lost all three. A big fat lie that could be easily checked out. That was no one's fault but her own..and it just seemed to me that if she would lie about something like that, then there was something wrong with her.
This is the thing, you guys have been throwing around that kind of hostility from the get go, as if anyone who did not immediately support this woman had something wrong with them..and then after you manage to win we still have to listen to the pissing and moaning and whining because now you are mad you are not going to get money from the people who have been bad mouthing for weeks. Well how did you think that would end? Really?
Posted by: Terrye at September 14, 2010 09:08 PM (UYcqZ)
Posted by: davidt at September 14, 2010 09:08 PM (9Pzy7)
Posted by: Godwin is probably a tea-bagging purist by now at September 14, 2010 09:09 PM (9b6FB)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 15, 2010 01:04 AM (4kQvq)
You're probably right. If my primary candidate loses fuck whoever won. Why would I support someone who tried to drive my candidate out of the party?
It's really all about me isn't it?
Posted by: robtr at September 14, 2010 09:09 PM (fwSHf)
Right, the tea party is the reason republicans are going to do so badly this election. Oh wait....
Posted by: Dr. Spank at September 14, 2010 09:10 PM (Y81Xa)
Like I said, she'll have to work to get Castle's support. I have strong doubts that she can.
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 14, 2010 09:10 PM (RC7LR)
To be fair, the O'Donnell/Tea Party folks are really just reaping what they sowed with their scorched earth tactics against every opponent they face, regardless of what party they're in. The examples of their obliviousness are painfully obvious by looking at the comments you see here, Mark Levin lunatic diatribes and even people like Jim Hoft floating stupid disingenuous arguments."
Lol, oh funny stuff, the establishment are the lords of the scorched earth policy.
Your comment is a bold faced lie as the Tea Party has no single voice.
Please list the examples of the Tea Party destroying a persons reputation and questioning their sanity? Here are a few of mine
Remember Sarah Palin besmirched by McCain staffers aka establishment Reps!
Remember Nikki Haley, slurs and accusations from establishment Republicans!
Remember the endorsement of Charlie Crist by establishment Republicans!
Remember Politico article from Rep staffers talking about those crazy
Tea Party types.
Those persons of the establishment are responsible for the position our country is in. I personally don't care about any of the prominent names. If they get to comfortable or chummy with the enemy, they may need to go. Mr. Castle lost his race, because his base had no faith in him, otherwise he would have crushed CD.
You want Tea Party support, stop talking down to them and spitting in their faces. Make your argument and get promises from the candidates you think can win to promote smaller government!
Posted by: Africanus at September 14, 2010 09:11 PM (TAUno)
I say this as someone who's never even been to Nevada:
I. Want. Reid's. Ass.
I'm going to bronze it and use it as a paperweight. I want a picture of him holding his head in his hands and crying. I want the big news on Nov. 3 to be how the sitting Senate Majority Leader lost. I want to be in Afghanistan and hear the clanging of Obama's sphincter as he realizes how truly, utterly, and completely fucked he is.
I don't think that's too much to ask, do you?
Posted by: Jeff Gauch at September 14, 2010 09:12 PM (CO/RA)
Posted by: rawmuse at September 15, 2010 01:08 AM (+Tw/n)
And why, does this not tell us they are for the fucking rinos or dems. Good gravy! Trying to save the status quo!!!
Posted by: lou at September 14, 2010 09:12 PM (AwCWP)
Posted by: manofaiki at September 14, 2010 09:12 PM (uSh7j)
I suspect that as soon as they knew she was going to win that they called her and told her to go to hell. I didn't see the whole speech that she made casue the cable outlets wouldn't let me see it, all of them, chose to show the parts they wanted and then to discuss the shocker. But I'm thinking she knew this when she made that speech.
Posted by: curious at September 14, 2010 09:12 PM (p302b)
So your argument is that the other side has done it too? Nice job not addressing a single of those examples.
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 14, 2010 09:14 PM (RC7LR)
Right, the tea party is the reason republicans are going to do so badly this election. Oh wait....
WE were kinda framed...
Posted by: Indians Blamed for the TEA Party at September 14, 2010 09:14 PM (lDrlK)
Send it to NV, WV, PA, CT, WI, WA, CA, FL etc. first. Much better investment.
Many of you said the same about each of those states not so long ago.
I urge you all to knock it off and not create a self-fulfilling prophecy here.
conscious
'List of vindictive little bitches:
Bennett - UT
Murkowski - AK
Specter - PA
Crist - FL
Castle - DE
Who am I missing?'
I see a pattern don't you?
Who are the party quitters again Castle people?
Posted by: Repeal at September 14, 2010 09:14 PM (8xwyL)
I don't think she cares to have Castle's support or the RNC's. In fact, their endorsements might be poison in this tsunamic atmosphere.
Posted by: curious at September 14, 2010 09:15 PM (p302b)
How about Rossi in WA?
And you're wrong about Angle. She's tied at best and she just pulled an awful move today by bailing on a debate an hour or two after agreeing to do it. Wouldn't be surprised if she takes a hit on it this week.
Posted by: DrewM. at September 14, 2010 09:15 PM (ycZcD)
Delaware Republicans chose an ultra-right wing extremist who is out of step with Delaware values. Christine O'Donnell cares more about imposing an extreme social doctrine than addressing the challenges facing working people," said DSCC chairman Robert Menendez in a statement. "Even the Delaware Republican Party Chairman has said O'Donnell is 'not a viable candidate for any office in the state of Delaware', and 'could not be elected dog catcher.'"
Fuck the Delaware Dems!
Posted by: sonnyspats at September 14, 2010 09:15 PM (2DxKT)
List of vindictive little bitches:
Bennett - UT
Murkowski - AK
Specter - PA
Crist - FL
Castle - DE
Who am I missing?
That's a silly list -- there is a world of difference between a) choosing not to endorse the primary winner after a particularly nasty campaign and b) swtiching parties (Specter); looking to switch parties/ write in (Murkowski) or running as a third party candidate (Crist).
It would be one thing for Castle to endorse Coons -- which he has not done.
He has, in the immediate aftermath of a lot of vitriol, chosen to not endorse the winner.
Posted by: GrayFlannelDwarf at September 14, 2010 09:16 PM (suygc)
Yep. With Mike Castle as a 51st Republican in the next Senate, Cap & Trade and all manner of other bills and nominations stood no chance of coming to the Senate floor in the first place. With him being sworn into this Senate in time for the lame duck session, there was at least the possibility he could be whipped into being a "no" vote.
Well, the children's crusade has just guaranteed another C&T vote for November, but maybe we can still take the Senate. Maybe. The Senate can still be won but it just got a lot harder and it sure won't have anything to do with Delaware.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 14, 2010 09:16 PM (4kQvq)
And hey, why assume good faith argument or anything? Isn't the right all about lying your ass off to get someone elected? Sure it must be, because the assumption is that you did. Or something.
Close up ranks, folks.
Posted by: K~Bob at September 14, 2010 09:16 PM (9b6FB)
Posted by: SJR2 at September 14, 2010 09:16 PM (oCbCP)
I really think we could use a thread of all Senate races with most recent polling data. See where the Republicans are likely to keep their seats. See where the Republicans are ahead and likely to take the seat from a Dem. See where they are within the margin of error. See where they are behind and can still gain enough support to win. And see where they are far behind.
I think we need the reality check and to know where the best places to pick the point of attack are. Because really spending time on the solid locks and the long shot no shots are both ridiculous.
Posted by: buzzion at September 15, 2010 01:12 AM (oVQFe)
Well polling will tell you reid is ahead in nv, and it would be wrong!Over 100 people got layed off this week at the union plaza, and the media in nv is strong on reid, but i see the bumper stickers, and talk to people, and everyone i know wants him gone. Just sayin!!
Posted by: lou at September 14, 2010 09:17 PM (AwCWP)
Heads I win, tails you lose, eh?
If she loses the general it's because she didn't get enough support from the filthy RINOs.
Always the man keeping you down.
She was going to do this thing in spite of the party establishment, so it's time to start.
Posted by: AmishDude at September 14, 2010 09:19 PM (3wPsb)
"Again, let me ask you...how much thought/effort should we give a guy like Joe DioGuardi?"
Here's the fucking deal - I don't know who this guy is right off the top of my head. That's why I come to this site. I don't follow MSM outlets because they suck and blogs are supposed to be superior and all.
So when I want to figure out if I should send a candidate money, I'll check out sites like this. When you guys (talking about the bloggers here) have been doing the rah rah, yay team, catch the big fucking wave, historically unprecedented, pre-revolutionary pep rally shit, then give a big fuck-her-she-can't-win so we're not going to devote any time or effort, it makes you look like you're totally full of shit.
You come across like a bunch of MFM hacks in a CNN-style Situation room giving your cynical, old school analysis. If you're going to do this shit, let me know so I can ignore the GO TEAM GO shit you guys put up every other day. Hell, let me know so I can just check out a different blog. But just be honest for fuck's sake.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 14, 2010 09:19 PM (fLHQe)
Right, the purists got their nominee in McCain.
Posted by: Dr. Spank at September 14, 2010 09:19 PM (Y81Xa)
This is fucking hysterical. Chrissy O'Donnell was making noises about running third-party if she lost. (And who could blame her; she'd have had to in order to keep the donations coming in to pay her rent until her next campaign.)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 14, 2010 09:20 PM (4kQvq)
"Seriously, the O'Donnell supporters are a bunch of delusional bitches. You just spent two weeks calling Castle and his supporters faggot commies and now you're angry he's not lining up behind you. Hey weren't you proven right - the backstabbing RINO's really are backstabbing RINO's. Time to send inane irrational hate scribbles like Mark Levin, break out the bubbly and take in 38% in the Delaware general!"
As he like-wise savaged her and as you tried to call us not party people. It is time for you to get behind the Republican nominee.
Don't create a self-fulfilling prophecy. Or is that 51st seat really not that important to you?
Posted by: Repeal at September 14, 2010 09:20 PM (8xwyL)
Posted by: eman at September 14, 2010 09:20 PM (Q3cxl)
it's too sad
Posted by: curious at September 14, 2010 09:20 PM (p302b)
Posted by: rockmom at September 14, 2010 09:20 PM (w/gVZ)
Did you have a dog in that fight? If so, who and why?
The only impressions I had from my vantage point in MA were that Ayotte was a bit of a bitch and a flip-flopper and Ovide had a funny name but ran a pretty much entirely positive campaign. But I can't even pretend I got the whole story and would love to know what was going on.
Posted by: DocJ at September 14, 2010 09:20 PM (AWzOz)
Ras has it 48/48. Watch Ras, he's the most accurate.
Also, all of the damage to Angle has been done. Unless there's a major slip-up, her numbers don't go down.
Posted by: AmishDude at September 14, 2010 09:21 PM (3wPsb)
My point would be its not just about sending a nominal amount of money, its outright pissing on the winner of a republican primary, not even wasting a damn minute, just outright trying to kill her slim chances running against a marxist. Not even a congratulations. SCREW the NRSC. Not one dime to you a-holes either.
I can't help but think it was cause their selected guy didn't make it, they were going to take their ball and go home. Remember how they were going to help Murky in a recount? F them.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 14, 2010 09:21 PM (L8kaT)
Hey, genius...Angle WAS polling 11-15 points down...that's why.
Posted by: g at September 14, 2010 09:21 PM (gU6mL)
Posted by: SJR2 at September 15, 2010 01:16 AM (oCbCP)
Are you nuts? John Fucking McCain was out candidate in 2008. You remember John Fucking McCain? The moderate, the one the media loved because he bucked his own party?
Yeah we went pure with that one.
Jeebus
Posted by: robtr at September 14, 2010 09:21 PM (fwSHf)
The 'Wave' is predicated upon situations in individual races. O'Donnell just made the senate wave slightly weaker.
And unfortunately I strongly suspect your cynicism is actually reality. You don't seem to realize that the makeup of Delaware's voters will not be like the GOP's primary voters.
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 14, 2010 09:22 PM (RC7LR)
I'm going to bronze it and use it as a paperweight. I want a picture of him holding his head in his hands and crying. I want the big news on Nov. 3 to be how the sitting Senate Majority Leader lost. I want to be in Afghanistan and hear the clanging of Obama's sphincter as he realizes how truly, utterly, and completely fucked he is.
I don't think that's too much to ask, do you?
Posted by: Jeff Gauch at September 15, 2010 01:12 AM
I love you.
Posted by: huerfano at September 14, 2010 09:22 PM (No0N3)
'Cause that's what you do when you're a grown up and when you're the better man. That's what you do when you care about the future of the the state and of the country and not about your hurt feelings.
If you can't take the heat, get out of the electoral kitchen.
Posted by: AmishDude at September 14, 2010 09:22 PM (3wPsb)
'This is fucking hysterical. Chrissy O'Donnell was making noises about running third-party if she lost. (And who could blame her; she'd have had to in order to keep the donations coming in to pay her rent until her next campaign.'
Thank you for supporting the Republican nominee for the DE Senate seat.
Posted by: Repeal at September 14, 2010 09:22 PM (8xwyL)
You can cheat until you're blind
You can cut your heart
It can happen
You can mend the wires
You can feed the soul apart
You reach
It can happen to you
It can happen to me
It can happen to everyone
Eventually
A constant fight
You?re pushing the needle to the red
Who knows who?s right
No substitute, you?re born, you?re dead
Created out of fantasy
Our destination calls
Look up, look down
Look out, look around
Look up, look down
There?s a crazy world outside
We?re not about to lose our pride
It can happen to you
It can happen to me
It can happen to everyone
Eventually
As you happen to say
It can happen today
As it happens
It happens in every way
This world I like
We architects of life
A song, a sigh
Developing words that linger
Through fields of green through open eyes
This for us to see
Look up, look down
Look out, look around
So look up, look down
There?s a crazy world outside
We?re not about to lose our pride
It can happen to you
It can happen to me
It can happen to everyone
Eventually
As you happen to say
It can happen today
As it happens
It happens in every way
As you happen to see
It will happen to be
Nothing happens
To nowhere and nowhere
Look up, look down
There?s a crazy world outside
We?re not about to lose our pride
It can happen to you
It can happen to me
It can happen to everyone
Eventually
As you happen to see
It will happen to be
Nothing happens
To nowhere and nowhere
You can fool yourself
You can cheat until you?re blind
You can cut your heart
It can happen as it happens
It happens in every way
[Incomprehensible]
You can feel the soul apart
You touch your life
You can bring your soul alike
[Incomprehensible]
It can happen to you
It can happen to me
It can happen to everyone
Eventually
As you happen to see
It will happen to be
Nothing happens
To nowhere and nowhere
=========
By the way, the power at my place went out just after 9pm and I've been in the dark the last four hours on all the election news/fireworks. God its goods to have the internets back.
p.s. Can't believe were still having problems with sore losers not backing the winner.
Posted by: Serious Cat at September 14, 2010 09:22 PM (bAySe)
As he like-wise savaged her and as you tried to call us not party people. It is time for you to get behind the Republican nominee.
Don't create a self-fulfilling prophecy. Or is that 51st seat really not that important to you?
Go eat a bag of dicks, hypocrite. You too, Christine.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 14, 2010 09:23 PM (4kQvq)
I'm behind her. I see no reason why Castle shouldn't wait to have whatever his reasons are satisfied (if ever) to support her. I wouldn't begrudge him for anything as long as he doesn't work against her election (see the Fla. Gov race)
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 14, 2010 09:24 PM (RC7LR)
Thank you for supporting the Republican nominee for the DE Senate seat.
Thank you for eating shit and dying, pig.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 14, 2010 09:24 PM (4kQvq)
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 01:22 AM (RC7LR)
Slightly????
Posted by: rob at September 14, 2010 09:25 PM (GEICE)
I felt Rove was not a mccaniac during the presidential election. In fact I said on here that I felt he was almost helping the dems. The answer i received was "money is green".
Posted by: curious at September 14, 2010 09:25 PM (p302b)
Posted by: SJR2 at September 14, 2010 09:25 PM (oCbCP)
And seriously, the MFM is going to tar Republicans as kooky/retarded any-fucking-way, so spare these arguments about why that makes O'D a bad choice.
I get the idea about money from the NRSC, but the idea that they should cut off the money supply because they have Obama-thin skin is damn near juvenile. It's politics for the love of Holy Bacon.
Sure, the NRSC should be smart about how it allocates resources, but coming out the night she wins and cutting her off? How is that strategic or tactical??
Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 14, 2010 09:25 PM (fLHQe)
She ain't gonna win.
Guys, when is the election?
Answer: Not November.
Try October.
People start voting when early voting begins in OCTOBER! O'Donnell cannot recover her reputation, which has been thoroughly trashed in this primary campaign, in the next two, three weeks. She is, by all measures, a lost cause. People have likely made up their minds by now who they're going to vote for. Once polls open, it's only a matter of making the time, with November 2nd the last available opportunity. She cannot realistically make up that ten point polling deficit. She cannot raise the money. She cannot recover her reputation. She is doomed.
We lost this race based on, what? Cap and trade? A DEAD ISSUE? We lose control of the Senate because of fears that, what, Castle would somehow singehandedly get Crap and tax passed in the Senate? Please! But now that's one vote less for repeal of Obamacare, which he is in favor of repealing. That was a guaranteed vote, which we just screwed ourselves on. Well golly gee, let's throw out our establishment candidate and make it easier for the opposition to saddle one of their own establishment cocksucking wannabes. Genius.
The Stupid Party strikes again!
Posted by: Robert at September 14, 2010 09:25 PM (4ixH5)
This all or nothing thinking is stupid.
My theory is that the NRSC was inundated with calls from big donors who were scared their money would go to this race. They may have felt that they needed to reassure them more than just to make noises about token support.
That's the NRSC's audience. Not us.
Posted by: AmishDude at September 14, 2010 09:26 PM (3wPsb)
As he like-wise savaged her and as you tried to call us not party people. It is time for you to get behind the Republican nominee.
Don't create a self-fulfilling prophecy. Or is that 51st seat really not that important to you?
It WAS important to me! It obviously wasn't important to those 25,000 numbskulls in Delaware who would rather "hunt RINOs" than build a real lasting Republican majority in Congress.
Posted by: rockmom at September 14, 2010 09:27 PM (w/gVZ)
794 'Thank you for eating shit and dying, pig.'
How important is that 51st Senate seat to you?
I was lead to believe it was all important. Is it not any longer?
Posted by: Repeal at September 14, 2010 09:27 PM (8xwyL)
It'd be nice if her supporters would now stop claiming Castle and I are not pinkos, are as bad as democrats and are sore losers. It'd also be nice if they stopped bitching about the fact that they will have to be the people doing the heavy legwork in terms of financing her rent and campaign.
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 14, 2010 09:27 PM (RC7LR)
Ras has it 48/48. Watch Ras, he's the most accurate.
Also, all of the damage to Angle has been done. Unless there's a major slip-up, her numbers don't go down.
Posted by: AmishDude at September 15, 2010 01:21 AM (3wPsb)
And her ads are spot on! Dems saying she is extreme because she wants smaller government, and telling you, they are working in her favor. But hubby thinks reid has a warchest that can beat her, sadly!!
Posted by: lou at September 14, 2010 09:27 PM (AwCWP)
In other words, O'Donnell has no chance but these idiots are still going to burn bridges that will have carryover effects into other races. This when it was easily avoidable if they were simply capable of exhibiting a little bit of class and dignity in defeat.
Posted by: Dave S. at September 14, 2010 09:27 PM (UvR6d)
they eat their own. Even the mafia has scruples.
Posted by: curious at September 14, 2010 09:28 PM (p302b)
O'Donnell loves Hillary Clinton and wants her endorsement.
This is, um what's the unity word? Unusual. Yes, let's go with that. It's unusual on many levels.
Posted by: DrewM. at September 14, 2010 09:28 PM (ycZcD)
Why should one expect different behavior from the actual RNC?
And why do the O'Donnell people want to the support of the RINOs that are too liberal? Or is it that they're too liberal to vote for, but not too liberal to vote for her?
Posted by: Tom in Korea at September 14, 2010 09:28 PM (nS7nk)
Send your money where you want. She'll get support form people that want to be part of the restoration / tea-party movement (this is NOT a "wave" election).
If it's only about stopping Obama, or controlling the Senate, we accomplish nothing. That would make it like it was when W had both houses. Amnesty anyone?
Yeah, you angry folks go have a nice display. Hope it helps.
Posted by: K~Bob at September 14, 2010 09:29 PM (9b6FB)
Right, the purists got their nominee in McCain.
Posted by: Dr. Spank at September 15, 2010 01:19 AM (Y81Xa)
This. The only thing worse than nominating a conservative and having him lose because he's unelectable is nominating a RINO and having him lose. Not only have you lost, but independents think there's no difference in the parties. Hell, your base thinks that too.
Posted by: Ace's liver at September 14, 2010 09:29 PM (XIXhw)
How important is that 51st Senate seat to you?
I repeat: Fuck you. It's the only response you deserve.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 14, 2010 09:30 PM (4kQvq)
I follow MSM "reporters" (Dem hacks) tweets, and they always sound real reasonable in their stories, but their tweets are like 14 year old snarky. Those tweets read remarkably similar.
I guess rightwing bloggers who tweet have to be the cool kid on the DC block too, gotta slam those idiot teabaggers that threw out a rino...they just don't know what is good for them.
By November they will be guests on Olbie's show!
Posted by: pam at September 14, 2010 09:30 PM (h8R9p)
Once again, Bill Whittle is EN FUEGO.
Posted by: Cincinnatus at September 14, 2010 10:03 PM (8AyDn)
Posted by: huerfano at September 14, 2010 09:31 PM (No0N3)
Posted by: SJR2 at September 15, 2010 01:25 AM (oCbCP)
There were more votes cast in that election than any other. Independents (McCains base ) all voted for Obama.
Posted by: robtr at September 14, 2010 09:31 PM (fwSHf)
please let that be true - just so that i can see the radius on brain projectile splatter when Levin/Hoft/McCain's heads explode.
@curious
please, they 'trashed' on the things she was most notable for - a ridiculous lawsuit, openly lying on a radio station and no discernable record whatsoever
just wait for the dems to actually start smearing her
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 14, 2010 09:31 PM (RC7LR)
You know, I keep hearing that. But wasn't it pretty well determined that it wasn't conservatives (such as myself - who showed-up and the polls, held my nose, and voted for Mavericky McMaverickson) who stayed home so much as it was all those wonderful "moderates" who voted for him in open GOP primaries and then abandoned him for The Unicorn Prince in the general?
Posted by: DocJ at September 14, 2010 09:31 PM (AWzOz)
Posted by: Captain Tennille at September 14, 2010 09:32 PM (MYT77)
palladino is more dem than republican. The tea party is not a republican conservative organization. It has a lot of dems who feel their party has left them and a lot of independents.
Besides, if she is running in DE, why not ask hillary for some help. She might agree more with O'Donnell's politics than with the other guys.
Posted by: curious at September 14, 2010 09:32 PM (p302b)
DrewM
Uh she is in Delaware....
But you still support the Republican nominee for Senate right?
That 51st seat and all.
Posted by: Repeal at September 14, 2010 09:33 PM (8xwyL)
How important is that 51st Senate seat to you?
I was lead to believe it was all important. Is it not any longer?
It's not about the 51st now. It's about the 50th.
Posted by: AmishDude at September 14, 2010 09:33 PM (3wPsb)
Being that kind of sore loser should disqualify you from party money in the future.
Posted by: Ace's liver at September 14, 2010 09:33 PM (XIXhw)
Posted by: George Orwell at September 14, 2010 09:34 PM (AZGON)
The Tea Party wouldn't exist if McCain had been elected. At least not with the same kind of clout.
Posted by: Ace's liver at September 14, 2010 09:34 PM (XIXhw)
I fuckin' love it.
Christine O'Donnell: RINO.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 14, 2010 09:35 PM (4kQvq)
Riddle me this, Batman: Castle runs 3d party (like O'Donnell was going to do). Does he draw off more O'Donnell votes or more Coons votes?
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 14, 2010 09:35 PM (tkcGj)
Posted by: gm at September 14, 2010 09:35 PM (ELiBu)
"I repeat: Fuck you. It's the only response you deserve."
Loser.
Now please support the Republican nominee for US Senate from Delaware.
Posted by: Repeal at September 14, 2010 09:36 PM (8xwyL)
Posted by: curious at September 15, 2010 01:32 AM (p302b)
Wait.
It's a good idea for the newest poster girl for conservatism to reach out to a national Democrat (formerly Conservative Enemy Number One no less) because said poster girl is in a Democratic state? But it was a horrible act of betrayal to vote for a guy who has a 30+ year track record of winning Democratic votes?
I'm gonna need that one explained to me.
Posted by: DrewM. at September 14, 2010 09:36 PM (ycZcD)
At this point I think castle would have flipped to the dems ASAP.
Finally, how many seats does the NRSC have to help, 33? That's about it, and they have run their office so damn good that they have to pick and choose, and can't even say congrats? They probably sit back and wonder why no one sends them money.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 14, 2010 09:37 PM (L8kaT)
Because it's clear and incontrovertible evidence that she's the PINKO COMMIE LIB RINO that the tea partiers all warned us about.
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 14, 2010 09:38 PM (RC7LR)
Posted by: gm at September 14, 2010 09:38 PM (ELiBu)
You keep throwing your shit against the wall, and I keep telling you to fuck yourself. What a neat little game!
Fuck yourself. Loser. You realize that's what you are by virtue of the loser trash you back, don't you?
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 14, 2010 09:38 PM (4kQvq)
@AceofSpadesHQ True. You think that call for unity would have been embraced?
@AceofSpadesHQ If you want to shrug it off, it's up to you. But it'll happen again, and again
@AceofSpadesHQ Agree to disagree. You want to encourage this garbage by shrugging it off? Have at it
@AceofSpadesHQ All you'll do is get more of it
@AceofSpadesHQ which is why you'll always be a target for elbowing. Now, quick -- unify!
Posted by: Ace On Twitter at September 14, 2010 09:38 PM (Y81Xa)
I once asked my ballplayer father, "Why doesn't the opposing team just allow the purposely walked batter to go to first base?", "I mean they want the batter on first what difference does it make?".
His answer was "Anything can happen. Throws are bad, bad hops, etc".
My point is: You fuckers do not get to claim a Castle victory without an election. A Castle victory exists only in your minds, it does not exist.
Posted by: Some internet Asshole? at September 14, 2010 09:39 PM (Bs8Te)
I've been wondering this too. I suspect that this loss might have made Castle even MORE popular with DE libs and moderates. It's possible that he might have a good shot at winning because you can almost guarantee he'll also keep like a quarter of the states miniscule repub population.
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 14, 2010 09:39 PM (RC7LR)
Posted by: Mr. Jake Gittes at September 14, 2010 09:39 PM (AZGON)
Now that it's what is happening...
Posted by: davidt at September 14, 2010 09:39 PM (9Pzy7)
Seriously, you've repeated the same bullshit so many times it's obvious you're only trying to convince yourself what you're saying is true...I smell a Moby.
Eat a bowl of RINO dicks.
Posted by: g at September 14, 2010 09:39 PM (gU6mL)
Posted by: curious at September 14, 2010 09:40 PM (p302b)
BFD. Gets her the women's vote. Oh, wait, we don't want that. No, it just has to be crazy teabaggers who are purists.
Posted by: K~Bob at September 14, 2010 09:40 PM (9b6FB)
I fuckin' love it.
Christine O'Donnell: RINO.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 15, 2010 01:35 AM (4kQvq)
Wait wait wait, the new Queen of Conservatism in the United States of America wants Hillary Clinton's support? Why would the greatest conservative leader since Reagan want Hilldog's help?? Oh, maybe she just needs a little help with the rent this month.
Posted by: rob at September 14, 2010 09:40 PM (GEICE)
------------------------
Later, she told CNN that she can win without the support of the national Republican Party.
"They don't have a winning track record," O'Donnell said of the national party. "If they're too lazy to put in the effort that we need to win, then, so be it."
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For the record, I've read Ace for years, disagreed with his position on this one but recognized his position as a principled one (unlike smug a-holes like Geraghty who's tripping over his feet tonight he's backpedaling so fast).At least tomorrow Ace can say "I shot straight with you, now it's done and let's move forward." I wouldn't put him in the wadded-up panties establishment GOP category by any stretch of the imagination.
All of us miss one every now and then - hell, I was wrong once in '86 - but we have to give each other a margin or error, the same margin we want from others when we f--- up.
Now carry on. There is pudding to be stockpiled for November.
Posted by: Teran Solo at September 14, 2010 09:41 PM (Elf3M)
I'm gonna have to take a break from the blog again because this time Ace's tweets are pissing me the fuck off.
Don't you fuckers dare post about the pre-revolutionary huge red wave bullshit again. Sorry I bought into your lines of bullshit.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 14, 2010 09:41 PM (fLHQe)
I have wondered about this. The problem is that with 7 weeks left, I don't think he can damage Coons enough.
Posted by: AmishDude at September 14, 2010 09:42 PM (3wPsb)
Posted by: eman at September 14, 2010 09:42 PM (Q3cxl)
A night of triumph for Palin-O'Donnell and now Ayotte plus two House rep's wins-4 out of 5 on the night !
Posted by: MJS at September 14, 2010 09:43 PM (LY9pi)
Nice try but those tweets were sent TO Ace, not by him. I think they are from Allah for the most part.
Posted by: DrewM. at September 14, 2010 09:44 PM (ycZcD)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 14, 2010 09:44 PM (tkcGj)
Posted by: gm at September 14, 2010 09:44 PM (ELiBu)
DrewM
He has 30+ year track record or voting against conservatism and Republicans.
Entrenched incumbency is not an argument for more entrenched incumbency.
Besides that you know I am throwing your argument back at you. Call me a hypocrite. Fine. But for you not to be one you really should drop it, accept the loss and support the nominee.
You do support the Republican nominee for US Senate from DE?
That 51st seat and all.
Posted by: Repeal at September 14, 2010 09:45 PM (8xwyL)
Posted by: George Orwell at September 14, 2010 09:46 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 14, 2010 09:47 PM (4kQvq)
Well, I was prepared to support her but I tend not to support Republicans who hold Democrats up as role models and solicit their endorsements. That's pretty RINOriffic if you ask me.
Posted by: DrewM. at September 14, 2010 09:47 PM (ycZcD)
Why not flame that shit over there with the other flamers?
Posted by: K~Bob at September 14, 2010 09:47 PM (9b6FB)
I am so pissed. I was going to be let's see what happens and pretty much forget DE, then the fucking NRSC stepped in it. Now I really want O'Donnell to win, slim chances or not. Have I said "Don't Donate to the NRSC" or "Screw the NRSC".
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 14, 2010 09:48 PM (L8kaT)
Posted by: lou at September 14, 2010 09:48 PM (AwCWP)
I seriously doubt it - Castle will undoubtedly pull off some of the republican vote that at this point hates O'Donnell. I hope he doesn't run. If he does he'll either win as an independent or Coons will - but he'll have to run farther to the left cause O'Donnell will be taking repubs.
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 14, 2010 09:48 PM (RC7LR)
Castle voted for cap and trade. That was the dealbreaker for a lot of people.
These are odd times. Nothing is going to seem normal anymore. With the amount of dissatisfaction out there I think we are going to see a lot of odd stuff. Hey if it helps her get the seat I don't care if she asks the pope for help or putin for that matter. She'll have a republican seat and, as you said about castle, she can be intimidated into voting with the republicans. Heck can she be an worse than the twins up there near canada.
Posted by: curious at September 14, 2010 09:48 PM (p302b)
No, I don't believe you would have. You'd have supported the third-party candidacy of Christine O'Donnell.
To be fair though, supporting a Nominee Castle, a man you people have been telling us needed to be thrown right out of the party, would have made you an even bigger hypocrite than you are now.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 14, 2010 09:49 PM (4kQvq)
Posted by: George Orwell at September 14, 2010 09:50 PM (AZGON)
If you repudiate all 'RINO's', moderate and dems you're going to end up with 30 senate seats. Start puffing out your chest when you start winning tough general election seats.
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 14, 2010 09:50 PM (RC7LR)
Posted by: K~Bob at September 14, 2010 09:50 PM (9b6FB)
Rinos officially picked sides tonite, and it was not conservative. Glad to see the rinos defeated,go be dems already. Guess they choose sides. Fuck castle and the rinos!! We are fighting the washington insiders, and they dont want to give up power easily! POWER!! That and money is all they know!
Aren't you the guy seeking the nomination for Star County Treasurer?
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 14, 2010 09:50 PM (tkcGj)
look at how many of them are still saying 'never, throw them out of the party' about moderates/centrists.
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 14, 2010 09:51 PM (RC7LR)
Posted by: B. Hussein Obama at September 14, 2010 09:51 PM (AZGON)
But this thread is rapidly approaching the point where it may not be deniable anymore.
this is why the republican party is a mess....they really are massively divided
Posted by: curious at September 14, 2010 09:51 PM (p302b)
[ from the blaze website]
In the meantime, Sen. Jim DeMint’s Senate Conservatives Fund PAC is vowing to step up its efforts on O‘Donnell’s behalf: The party’s coordinated spending limit for a Senate nominee in Delaware is $87,000. The RNC and the NRSC each have that limit so it is double that amount. $174,000 total. Since the party is saying they will cut her off, this will be SCF’s initial goal. We will likely raise her this money from grassroots by next week.
Posted by: OldChick at September 14, 2010 09:52 PM (NYjsM)
Besides, this thread is dead. Nothing new has been typed since the masturbating comment at the top.
Dead as a weasel on a stick.
Posted by: K~Bob at September 14, 2010 09:53 PM (9b6FB)
please, you have one Castle supporter saying he won't supporter her--every other including me, Ace, Drew are saying they back her
meanwhile your merry group of assholes are still clamoring for party purity and are cheering that the liberal beast has been slain even though you're targeting moderate/centrist republicans
there is no big tent in the tea party because the entire movement is predicated on anger directed towards the existence of a big tent on a variety of issues
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 14, 2010 09:53 PM (RC7LR)
Posted by: George Orwell at September 14, 2010 09:54 PM (AZGON)
Because it would require learning a whole new set of inside jokes.
Posted by: buzzion at September 15, 2010 01:52 AM (oVQFe)
Heh. OTOH, they could do with some new inside jokes.
Posted by: K~Bob at September 14, 2010 09:54 PM (9b6FB)
The War Between the Undead States
So In your eyes my mere support of a different candidate than yours makes me a hopeless hypocrite.
Ok I can take that.
Yet somehow ours is the scary extreme side.
What I won't take is you trying to say who I would or wouldn't support. If Castle had won I would have supported him, and I would have been much less of a sore loser.
I am serious when I say it is time to get behind the nominee. She isn't great I know but the race is over.
Posted by: Repeal at September 14, 2010 09:55 PM (8xwyL)
Rinos officially picked sides tonite, and it was not conservative. Glad to see the rinos defeated,go be dems already. Guess they choose sides. Fuck castle and the rinos!! We are fighting the washington insiders, and they dont want to give up power easily! POWER!! That and money is all they know!
Aren't you the guy seeking the nomination for Star County Treasurer?
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 15, 2010 01:50 AM (tkcGj)
No, I just get sick of the status quo in washington. Make fun, but these assholes are supposed to work for America, and have not for a really long time. Glad to see castle go! How long in office?
Posted by: lou at September 14, 2010 09:55 PM (AwCWP)
This is the stuff I love!
Favorites get all sorts of passes. If Castle has said it, he'd be getting killed but O'Donnell? It's just fun! Lighten up!
Personally, I'd expect the newest Defender of the Faith to say something like, "No I don't want her endorsement. She represents much of what is wrong with liberalism and I'm going to Washington to defeat that. The Obama administration has been a disaster for America, at home and abroad and I want nothing to do with them".
But then, I'm just a RINO, so......
Posted by: DrewM. at September 14, 2010 09:55 PM (ycZcD)
Why not flame that shit over there with the other flamers?
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 14, 2010 09:56 PM (L8kaT)
Meh. It was worse in the 70s. Reagan really climbed a hill.
Of course, now we have Obama.
Posted by: AmishDude at September 14, 2010 09:56 PM (3wPsb)
Posted by: Dave S. at September 14, 2010 09:56 PM (UvR6d)
Posted by: pam at September 14, 2010 09:58 PM (h8R9p)
Huh? This race promoted the most division because we went from a likely guarantee win of a 50% conservative in a blue state to a longshot chance of a potentially 90% conservative in a blue state. It was the most pure example of strategy vs anger and big tent vs purity.
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 14, 2010 09:58 PM (RC7LR)
Posted by: George Orwell at September 14, 2010 09:58 PM (AZGON)
A-MEN.
And Dave in Texas pointed that out early on tonight. Not that he was the first, but still...
Posted by: AmishDude at September 14, 2010 09:58 PM (3wPsb)
Nah. It'll be over tomorrow. We have dems to butcher.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 14, 2010 09:59 PM (L8kaT)
O'Donnell is the repub candidate from Delaware so I'll support her.
I'll also remember how her supporters acted.
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 14, 2010 09:59 PM (RC7LR)
I'm not part of the "purity people"...I'm an independent
I dislike both parties
I think the country is changing, waking up
And they haven't got the patience anymore to worry about strategy, this may be a bad thing but it is what it is
They voted for change and didn't get it, they got more of the same, so they trust no one
They are trying to elect human beings with some character, some credibility, a belief in God, a belief in the constitution, a belief in America and a belief in small government and less taxation
They may not be doing it the way you want, and honestly I think the sacrificial lamb in all of this will be the GOP
I'm watching these freshman dems one by one come out and say that the Bush tax cuts shouldn't be allowed to expire....that is the tea party effect...they are trying to save themselves as they distance themselves from Washington politics of which they are a part but they think people are stupid enough to think they are different
It is a new country they've been fooled and they aren't going to be fooled again...
Posted by: curious at September 14, 2010 09:59 PM (p302b)
>Favorites get all sorts of passes. If Castle has said it, he'd be getting killed but O'Donnell? It's just fun! Lighten up!
O'Donnell is the nominee, I don't care what she says to get elected as long as it's not agreeing to vote as Castle would.
Posted by: Dr. Spank at September 14, 2010 09:59 PM (Y81Xa)
Here is the GIG.
If you are pissed because Castle lost. Why?
He is a squish, he has no principles and he isn't Conserative.
If you are pissed because O'Donnell WON.
You are the afoementioned CASTLE dude or dudette.
Get a clue Republicans?? Either you help us get RID of Castle AND his UGLY ASS RINO-TARD shyte.
Or we remove you.
Posted by: gus at September 14, 2010 09:59 PM (C02p4)
Individual Liberty is the only "big tent" that works. Clearly, a lot of minority folks, gay folks, and other social issues voters are listening to the Tea Party sites and discovering they are not persona non grata.
The moderates are not for big tents at all. When the government is bigger, all tents, and all individuals grow smaller.
And the "purity" argument is a worn and tired as the left's "racist" meme.
Fuck "purity," just stop the relentless march of statism. There's a helluva lot of room for disagreement under that tent.
Posted by: K~Bob at September 14, 2010 09:59 PM (9b6FB)
Sarah Palin spoke glowingly of both Hillary Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro when she gave her first speech in Dayton, OH as McCain's VP pick. I'm sure she would have welcomed their endorsement, too.
Sarah Palin is not a RINO.
Posted by: mrp at September 14, 2010 09:59 PM (HjPtV)
Huh? This race promoted the most division because we went from a likely guarantee win of a 50% conservative in a blue state to a longshot chance of a potentially 90% conservative in a blue state. It was the most pure example of strategy vs anger and big tent vs purity.
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 01:58 AM (RC7LR)
And when did castle vote conservative?
Posted by: lou at September 14, 2010 10:00 PM (AwCWP)
And I guess this won;t matter to anyone else here, beacuse he's a RINO!!11!!11! and all, but Mike Castle was one of the most knowledgeable people in Congress on banking. I was really looking forward to seeing him on the Senate Banking Committee to balance out some of the communists like Jack Reed and Chuck Schumer. We're also losing Jim Bunning from that committee and it doesn't look like we're going to gain any other Republicans who know shit about banking, and there isn't time for them to learn. There's a lot of work to be done fixing that terrible financial regulation bill, and Mike Castle would have really helped do it. And now Obama is apparently going to reccess-appoint Elizabeth Warren to oversee this mess. A Republican minority in the Senate will be powerless to stop her from destroying what is left of our banks.
Oh well. It's only the future of our entire financial system at stake. Small beans when you have scalps to take over a meaningless vote for cap and trade.
Posted by: rockmom at September 14, 2010 10:00 PM (w/gVZ)
Posted by: Doc at September 14, 2010 10:00 PM (MYT77)
Posted by: George Orwell at September 14, 2010 10:00 PM (AZGON)
"Well, I was prepared to support her but I tend not to support Republicans who hold Democrats up as role models and solicit their endorsements. That's pretty RINOriffic if you ask me."
Wow that's soooo cute. You have changed my mind. I'm sending Castle some money.
Posted by: Repeal at September 14, 2010 10:01 PM (8xwyL)
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 01:53 AM (RC7LR)
Bullshit, the tea party is angry becasue of spending and the size of government. The tea party even agreed with MA's court ruling on gay marriage because they are for states rights.
You can continue to whine about Castle losing or not. I didn't give a rats ass which one of them won. Just like here in Washington it would be nice if the fucking loser would think about the country instead of themselves and back their new candidate.
That seems to be too much to ask of losers though.
Posted by: robtr at September 14, 2010 10:01 PM (fwSHf)
And this is the time, when the emotion is highest.
At least DeMint is putting his money where his mouth is.
Posted by: AmishDude at September 14, 2010 10:02 PM (3wPsb)
No, I just get sick of the status quo in washington. Make fun, but these assholes are supposed to work for America, and have not for a really long time. Glad to see castle go! How long in office?
He's been in office for years. Problem is, voting for O'Donnell--while that might have been emotionally satisfying--was a vote for Coons and another Democrat majority leader. Castle had a 10 point advantage over Coons. O'Donnell has a 13 point deficit.
No one liked Castle, but above all else we needed a win in DE, a true-blue state.
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 14, 2010 10:02 PM (tkcGj)
Posted by: gm at September 14, 2010 10:02 PM (ELiBu)
I would be totally down with Castle running as Independent. I'd like to think that if Delaware wants him that strongly, they can have him, and no muss no fuss for the GOP future, since he couldn't switch back and maybe we could run a more appropriate candidate in the future.
Posted by: William at September 14, 2010 10:03 PM (+zM6M)
Posted by: aaron burr at September 14, 2010 10:03 PM (LFAxM)
No, I just get sick of the status quo in washington. Make fun, but these assholes are supposed to work for America, and have not for a really long time. Glad to see castle go! How long in office?
He's been in office for years. Problem is, voting for O'Donnell--while that might have been emotionally satisfying--was a vote for Coons and another Democrat majority leader. Castle had a 10 point advantage over Coons. O'Donnell has a 13 point deficit.
No one liked Castle, but above all else we needed a win in DE, a true-blue state.
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 15, 2010 02:02 AM (tkcGj)
Sorry to say, rather have a dem then a rino every day of the week, rinos always vote dem, have ya noticed? . And it pisses off the mfm. That alone is worth it. Smug asshole mfm"rs!!
Posted by: lou at September 14, 2010 10:05 PM (AwCWP)
Favorites get all sorts of passes. If Castle has said it, he'd be getting killed but O'Donnell? It's just fun! Lighten up!
The Jim Hoft version is "getting killed for it." So you agree with that aspect, then?
Personally, I'd expect the newest Defender of the Faith to say something like, "No I don't want her endorsement. She represents much of what is wrong with liberalism and I'm going to Washington to defeat that. The Obama administration has been a disaster for America, at home and abroad and I want nothing to do with them".
"Defender of the faith?" no sour grapes leaking out there, eh?
But then, I'm just a RINO, so......
So did she actively seek the endorsement or not? Did she write a facebook post on it or a tweet (I can't believe I wrote "tweet")? Did she open up a press conference with it?
But then, I'm just asking questions, so...
Posted by: K~Bob at September 14, 2010 10:05 PM (9b6FB)
Ah, but banking isn't sexy! Banking isn't red meat! Banking does not afford the true and pure among us an opportunity to show the world how much better conservatives they are than everyone else!
Besides, "banking" is what O'Donnell does with her leftover campaign money after she pays her rent and stiffs her workers.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 14, 2010 10:07 PM (4kQvq)
Posted by: George Orwell at September 14, 2010 10:07 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: gm at September 14, 2010 10:07 PM (ELiBu)
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at September 14, 2010 10:08 PM (YVZlY)
Posted by: curious at September 14, 2010 10:08 PM (p302b)
The point is that both sides have very real concerns, and I wouldn't expect Castle or O'Donnell to be the boiling point for this age old argument. We've got Levin calling decent people idiots. We've got Rove's deal tonight. All over 2 candidates that I don't think are all that strong.
Posted by: Dave S. at September 14, 2010 10:08 PM (UvR6d)
gm are you a moby? just seems like it to me.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 14, 2010 10:10 PM (L8kaT)
Fuck the RNC. O'Donnell just got $100 of my money.
Hey thanks! I've always wanted a couple more channels of HBO.
I mean...FIGHT THE ESTABLISHMENT!
Posted by: Christine O'Donnell at September 14, 2010 10:10 PM (DsHk0)
As a Coloradoan, I have to weigh in on this.
Early on we had a perfectly positioned conservative canidate for govenor in Josh Penry. The "GOP establishment" decided that it was Scott McGinnis turn and forced Penry out of the the race. Now we have an absolutely mess here and can say hello to Govenor Hickenlooper.
For the National Republican Party to come out tonight against O'Donnell, is quite frankly disgrasceful.
I am fed up with the elite of the Republican party and the <insert canidate here> attitude of their turn?!
And quite frankly I, as woman, do not appreciate the attacks within the GOP on women.
And no, I did not have sex with Will Folks either.
Posted by: redwhiteandblue (who after 4 hours of class tonight cannot possibly read though almost 1000 freaking at September 14, 2010 10:10 PM (W3UHW)
inyouheadZombie
'I'll also remember how her supporters acted.'
Thanks. Really that is not flame or BS. I'm serious.
But seriously do I need to post a 'best of Zombie hits' list?
We gave as good as we got but it's over.
I'm a conservative. I vote the most conservative candidate but when it is over I vote for the Republican nominee. Hell I voted for McCain. That sure as shit wasn't easy.
Posted by: Repeal at September 14, 2010 10:10 PM (8xwyL)
Lou: "Sorry to say, but I'd rather have Harry Reid as majority leader and Democrats heading up all the major committees than have a RINO making up the 51st Republican seat. That's just the way I roll. Hey, anyone know how I got that hole in my foot?"
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 14, 2010 10:10 PM (tkcGj)
Posted by: gm at September 14, 2010 10:10 PM (ELiBu)
he's had plenty of time to open his mouth up about banking.....where has he been...
Posted by: curious at September 14, 2010 10:10 PM (p302b)
Get a clue Republicans?? Either you help us get RID of Castle AND his UGLY ASS RINO-TARD shyte.
Wait, you're still running against Castle?Figures.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 14, 2010 10:11 PM (4kQvq)
Posted by: Miss Fluffy McNutter at September 14, 2010 10:12 PM (xMSXs)
Posted by: gm at September 14, 2010 10:14 PM (ELiBu)
The race is over. You lost. Time to unite and get out your wallets.
Why? Why spend money there? Send it to NV, WV, PA, CT, WI, WA, CA, FL etc. first. Much better investment.
Posted by: AmishDude at September 15, 2010 01:01 AM (3wPsb)
I think you're talking about voter money, and not NRSC money. Probably.
Anyway...
I think the NRSC needs to send her some money. Not a lot. I hear ya about "better investments." But some. Enough to try to repair the hurt feelings from that idiotic decision to publicly state she gets no money. Keep the national GOP and the tea party from having a civil war.
Second, right now I'd say we should send her some money to keep her going and to see if she can rise in the polls a bit. If she gets her campaign going, and starts to rise, then the NRSC can weigh sending some more. Call it "seed money" or what not.
Yeah, a lot of the work is going to have to be done by her and her emotional supporters. Kinda like Scot Brown. In a way, they might turn out the same. Yeah he's a RINO and she's True Conservative.
But they both started way in the hole. And Scott played his cards right, worked hard, and capitalized on his opponents screw ups.
Maybe that can happen here. And if she pulls to within 5 points, well then maybe that's time to put more cash in her campaign.
If she doesn't rise, or starts to sink or self distruct, well, that's when the decision to cut her off can be made.
Posted by: ed at September 14, 2010 10:14 PM (Zsqn4)
This is kind of a minor thing but it bugs me. Quoting Ace:
" a deep-red Senator in a blue state"
What is the color of communists? Aren't Reds red? Why do freedom loving patriotic Americans live in 'red' states and scum sucking, Obama knob polishing commies live in blue states?
Its time for the color scheme to fit the reality. Don't let MFM frame the debate. Let's redo the maps.
Posted by: Dennis at September 14, 2010 10:14 PM (nCIhi)
Entirely dead. And now I must put on my appliances and prepare for this evening's shambling. I hope you all feel like running tonight.
Posted by: Zombie K~Bob at September 14, 2010 10:14 PM (9b6FB)
Posted by: George Orwell at September 14, 2010 10:15 PM (AZGON)
Sarah Palin is not a RINO.
Posted by: mrp at September 15, 2010 01:59 AM (HjPtV)
With a few notable exceptions (like nazis), endorsements should be accepted from everyone across the political spectrum. If Hillary wants to endorse O'Donnell that's great.
Posted by: Ace's liver at September 14, 2010 10:15 PM (XIXhw)
Posted by: DrewM. at September 15, 2010 01:47 AM (ycZcD)
When Obama asked for Colin Powell's endorsement, did that make Obama any less radical?
Posted by: stuiec at September 14, 2010 10:15 PM (fgCQL)
Posted by: gm at September 14, 2010 10:16 PM (ELiBu)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 15, 2010 02:15 AM (L8kaT)
Word. Cornyn blows.
Posted by: Radiant at September 14, 2010 10:17 PM (dQdrY)
Never, in a million years, would I think this race would cause this kind of reaction.
Nah. It'll be over tomorrow. We have dems to butcher.
No, it won't. The Tea Partiers and their fellow-travellers have declared war on the GOP, the best vehicle for conservative influence in government, because they think they don't need to win elections, that they can just hold a bunch of rallies and pass laws with their Will to Power. They are delusional, they will continue to get Dems elected to harm this country, and they must be stopped. Or else it wil happen again, and again, and again, until we're Greece.
Posted by: Paul at September 14, 2010 10:17 PM (DsHk0)
Unity Party Tomorrow at Rubio's, first drink is free. Ladies without bras get free appetizers.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 14, 2010 10:18 PM (L8kaT)
You tea partiers are purity/small tent advocates.
Meanwhile dumbshits like lou are trying to conflate moderates with liberals and proving my point.
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 14, 2010 10:18 PM (RC7LR)
Posted by: SurferDoc at September 14, 2010 10:18 PM (RKpGM)
This is kind of a minor thing but it bugs me. Quoting Ace:
" a deep-red Senator in a blue state"
What is the color of communists? Aren't Reds red? Why do freedom loving patriotic Americans live in 'red' states and scum sucking, Obama knob polishing commies live in blue states?
Its time for the color scheme to fit the reality. Don't let MFM frame the debate. Let's redo the maps.
That's actually how it is in pretty much every country except ours. Conservative parties are blue, liberals are red. I have no idea why we're backwards.
Posted by: Paul at September 14, 2010 10:19 PM (DsHk0)
Posted by: George Orwell at September 14, 2010 10:20 PM (AZGON)
Is that a good or a bad thing?
Probably doesn't matter. It would have been Cuomo in a walk no matter what.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States Grateful Not to be Discussing Delaware at September 14, 2010 10:20 PM (4kQvq)
If I have to choose between the Tea Partiers and the GOP, well, goodbye GOP. Maybe we can form a conservative party.
Posted by: Ace's liver at September 14, 2010 10:21 PM (XIXhw)
Posted by: gm at September 14, 2010 10:21 PM (ELiBu)
The hell if I know, I just hate the NRSC.
Props for not making shit up. In fact, there's no proof of who she is other than her say so. But I have no reason to doubt she'll play that role, even if she is just putting on an act.
We screwed ourselves tonight, folks. Hopefully we'll sweep the others and it won't matter.
Maybe O'Donnell can win. Yeah, and maybe I'm a Chinese jet pilot.
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 14, 2010 10:21 PM (tkcGj)
Posted by: George Orwell at September 15, 2010 02:15 AM (AZGON)
The Delaware GOP contenders for the Senate seat were chosen back when taking back the Senate was a GOP pipe dream. Had that been considered a serious possibility at the time, maybe there would have been more consideration to picking better candidates than the two that stepped forward.
Meanwhile, if O'Donnell happens to make a move up in the polls against Coons -- a big 'if' -- I bet a lot of the people hating on her will get swept up in the intoxicating allure of a potential win. Nothing succeeds like success, and the fact of her winning the nomination means that O'Donnell can, in this strange political year, come from behind to win against the expectations of the experts.
Posted by: stuiec at September 14, 2010 10:21 PM (fgCQL)
Or alternately, they could help a wave election that elects conservatives. And in case you didn't notice a lot of establishment repubs are actually dems sailing us to Greece.
Ok, now I am really out.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 14, 2010 10:22 PM (L8kaT)
Maybe O'Donnell can win. Yeah, and maybe I'm a Chinese jet pilot.
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 15, 2010 02:21 AM (tkcGj)
Isn't that exactly what Castle's campaign staff was telling each other about three months ago?
Posted by: stuiec at September 14, 2010 10:23 PM (fgCQL)
I've decided voting for the lesser evil is not really a good long term stategy.
Been there and done that for all my voting life and things are much worse.
Posted by: Radiant at September 14, 2010 10:23 PM (dQdrY)
Well, I was prepared to support her but I tend not to support Republicans who hold Democrats up as role models and solicit their endorsements. That's pretty RINOriffic if you ask me.
Posted by: DrewM. at September 15, 2010 01:47 AM (ycZcD)
Heh. OK, that's some good snark. It brought the funny.
But seriously, we know she has problems with the center and independents. Wouldn't this help shore that up?
Also, just like only Nixon could go to China, couldn't only a female hard right conservative like her seek Hillary's endorsement and not loose her base?
Posted by: ed at September 14, 2010 10:24 PM (Zsqn4)
It's a good thing the voter makeup in delaware's general will be similar to their repub primary pool.
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 14, 2010 10:24 PM (RC7LR)
Posted by: George Orwell at September 14, 2010 10:25 PM (AZGON)
I can buy this - notice how this poster didn't have to declare the other guy a liberal or a RINO and yet still made his point.
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 14, 2010 10:25 PM (RC7LR)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 15, 2010 02:18 AM (L8kaT)
FIFY
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Posted by: Azzhat at September 14, 2010 10:26 PM (+HuBc)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 14, 2010 10:26 PM (tkcGj)
Posted by: SurferDoc at September 14, 2010 10:26 PM (RKpGM)
Again, I'll be rooting for O'Donnell the rest of teh way. We have a choice between a hot, albeit idiotic potential strong conservative vs a douchebag self proclaimed marxist. Pretty easy decision there.
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 14, 2010 10:26 PM (RC7LR)
Posted by: George Orwell at September 14, 2010 10:26 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: DrewM. at September 15, 2010 01:47 AM (ycZcD)
Triangulation baby. She didn't ask for Hilary's playbook, just her endorsement. She's a hell of a lot smarter than you are it seems. Who make up the great majority of the Democratic party? If she can run even with Coons with women she will win. Tell me, do you think Fiorina or McMahon would blow off Hilary's endorsement? I doubt it.
Posted by: Rocks at September 14, 2010 10:27 PM (ivAmM)
I suppose so. The basic sentiment is true.
Think I'm ready for that drink now...
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 14, 2010 10:28 PM (4kQvq)
There'd be winners and losers no matter who came out on top at the polls.
I was in the hold-your-nose-and-vote-Castle camp.
Do I like him? Oh, hell no. There's really no excuse for any thinking person to come within fifty feet of George Soros unless they're wearing a bomb (that's humor, folks, really it is...) and I'd like to think that any legislator who ever voted for carbon regulation will spend their eternal afterlife braiding Henry Waxman's nose hair while being dry-humped by Al Gore.
But I'm still hung up on that 51-thing. Yes, by definition a big tent is not and should not be big enough for everyone, but ideological purity is for the Khmer Rouge, not the GOP.
If there's a reasonable shot that a pink RINO makes a majority, that Obama's next Supreme Court nomination has to go through Judiciary Chairman Sessions and EPA Administrator Jackson has to face Energy Chairman Inhofe (oh please please) every day for the rest of her ever-shorter career in the Executive Branch, then I'd put up with a lot to get there.
But that's history now, we've got a nominee. If elected she'll undoubtedly be better for the country for the Democrat (as a rule, of course, botulism is better for the country than most Democrats) and if she fails...well, there's an upside there somewhere.
Posted by: JEM at September 14, 2010 10:28 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: inyouheadZombie at September 15, 2010 02:24 AM (RC7LR)
Interesting that the brain trust behind Mike Castle's campaign couldn't figure out that maybe winning the primary might require appealing to the state's Republican voters. Of course, he hadn't had a serious primary opponent since 1992 -- I guess he was a little rusty in the appealing to Republicans department.
Posted by: stuiec at September 14, 2010 10:28 PM (fgCQL)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 14, 2010 10:29 PM (4kQvq)
Posted by: gm at September 14, 2010 10:29 PM (ELiBu)
Posted by: Rocks at September 14, 2010 10:31 PM (ivAmM)
Posted by: George Orwell at September 14, 2010 10:31 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: SurferDoc at September 14, 2010 10:31 PM (RKpGM)
I don't remember the switching, though you may be right. I remember the Republicans being blue previous to 2000.
Posted by: Ace's liver at September 14, 2010 10:32 PM (XIXhw)
Posted by: George Orwell at September 14, 2010 10:32 PM (AZGON)
Its time for the color scheme to fit the reality. Don't let MFM frame the debate. Let's redo the maps.
I always kinda wondered about that...how the 'capitalists' are red and the 'socialists' are blue...here in Canada the Conservatives are blue and the Liberals are red...makes more sense
"Better Dead than Red"
Posted by: CanaDave at September 14, 2010 10:32 PM (TMzkG)
Posted by: JEM at September 15, 2010 02:28 AM (o+SC1)
There is no particular upside if she fails.
But as time in this universe only flows one way (for us beings made of matter, anyway), she's NOW the nominee and the only game in town for Republicans seeking to win the Delaware Senate seat for the GOP. Any strategy that involves going back in time to re-do the candidate selection is not really viable with current technology.
Posted by: stuiec at September 14, 2010 10:32 PM (fgCQL)
Posted by: gm at September 14, 2010 10:33 PM (ELiBu)
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at September 14, 2010 10:34 PM (YVZlY)
Posted by: George Orwell at September 15, 2010 02:31 AM (AZGON)
The British always preferred a square for that formation. At least, if movies like Zulu and Four Feathers can be trusted. "Front rank, fire! Rear rank, fire!"
Posted by: stuiec at September 14, 2010 10:34 PM (fgCQL)
Posted by: Lisa Murkowski at September 14, 2010 10:35 PM (AZGON)
Yeah, JEM, a vote against that damn RINO was a vote against Inhofe chairing the energy committee. A vote against that damned RINO was a vote against our control of the Judiciary Committee. A vote against that damned RINO was a vote against a Republican Majority Leader and control of the Senate's entire agenda. Etc. Someone should make a thorough list.
But we shot down that RINO, by golly.
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 14, 2010 10:35 PM (tkcGj)
Posted by: CanaDave at September 14, 2010 10:36 PM (TMzkG)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 14, 2010 10:36 PM (tkcGj)
Posted by: George Orwell at September 14, 2010 10:36 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: Dr. Spank at September 14, 2010 10:36 PM (Y81Xa)
Posted by: gm at September 15, 2010 02:33 AM (ELiBu)
Who the fuck cares at this late date if she will be better or worse than Castle? The point is, she'll be better than Coons.
Posted by: stuiec at September 14, 2010 10:37 PM (fgCQL)
Posted by: Evil Red Scandi at September 14, 2010 10:37 PM (khet/)
Beautiful.......proving the tea party right with every move they make.
Posted by: pam at September 14, 2010 10:37 PM (h8R9p)
Posted by: George Orwell at September 15, 2010 02:36 AM (AZGON)
I'll put it in my queue - thanks!
Posted by: stuiec at September 14, 2010 10:37 PM (fgCQL)
Posted by: Lisa Murkowski at September 14, 2010 10:38 PM (AZGON)
Are we goin' green?
Is General Electric goin' green...?
Is the whole damn world goin' green ...
Is Jim Kramer askin' you to go "green....?
Do you have a mfkeren clue arsehole...?
Olde soldier sends...
All the very bestus...
Eff you...hehehe...!
Posted by: Azzhat at September 14, 2010 10:38 PM (99GEK)
Posted by: CanaDave at September 15, 2010 02:36 AM (TMzkG)
Does your definition of "okay" mean "legal according to US Federal election law"?
Posted by: stuiec at September 14, 2010 10:39 PM (fgCQL)
Posted by: The Drizzle at September 14, 2010 10:39 PM (ysCLj)
Posted by: stuiec at September 14, 2010 10:39 PM (fgCQL)
Posted by: George Orwell at September 14, 2010 10:40 PM (AZGON)
Does your definition of "okay" mean "legal according to US Federal election law"?
Yeah, sort of ...not saying I'd do it for real, but is it allowed? PBS in the states routinely solicits Canadian donations, for eg.
Posted by: CanaDave at September 14, 2010 10:41 PM (TMzkG)
Rush, Palin, Hannity, Levin, plus Delaware voter common sense (aka the Tea Party)...
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Mostly -- Get out another case of popcorn Mabel, this is going to get interesting...
Posted by: drfredc at September 14, 2010 10:41 PM (puRnk)
Yes, there are.
Big tent applies for every issue NOT just social issues.
That's clearly not a tent, it's a sphere of astronomical size, dumbfuck.
You tea partiers are purity/small tent advocates.
Purity is the new "Racist!" It's probable that most of the commenters here aren't even fully "conservative" let alone purists of any sort. But there's a clear difference between someone who is a big government supporter and someone who prefers individual liberty.
If you think Individual Liberty is bad, you are so far to the left you are not even in the moderate "tent" of the Democrat party.
Posted by: Zombie K~Bob at September 14, 2010 10:41 PM (9b6FB)
Rush, Palin, Hannity, Levin, plus Delaware voter common sense (aka the Tea Party)...
It's Delaware, not Iowa.
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 14, 2010 10:43 PM (tkcGj)
Maybe, maybe not. Certainly not if people give up without even trying.
Posted by: davidt at September 15, 2010 02:37 AM (9Pzy7)
The question is whether some people would rather lose the seat to the Democrats than be proven wrong about O'Donnell's lack of electability. For myself, I would rather swallow my pride and support the GOP nominee -- whichever way today's primary turned out.
Posted by: stuiec at September 14, 2010 10:43 PM (fgCQL)
Posted by: gm at September 14, 2010 10:43 PM (ELiBu)
It's what they do.
Posted by: davidt at September 14, 2010 10:43 PM (9Pzy7)
Posted by: Dick Morris at September 14, 2010 10:45 PM (AZGON)
Yeah, sort of ...not saying I'd do it for real, but is it allowed? PBS in the states routinely solicits Canadian donations, for eg.
Posted by: CanaDave at September 15, 2010 02:41 AM (TMzkG)
PBS is allowed to do that. Candidates for Federal office in the USA aren't allowed to solicit or accept foreign contributions. (Which is why there's so much suspicion about how Obama's contributions in 2007/2008 flowed in through his web site with so little accountability.)
Posted by: stuiec at September 14, 2010 10:45 PM (fgCQL)
Posted by: B. Hussein Obama at September 14, 2010 10:47 PM (AZGON)
It's real, but it was a formation they used when at a tactical disadvantage. They used it as they were being massacred by the Zulus in the Battle of Isandlwana.
Posted by: Ace's liver at September 14, 2010 10:47 PM (XIXhw)
Posted by: curious at September 14, 2010 10:47 PM (p302b)
But there's a clear difference between someone who is a big government supporter and someone who prefers individual liberty.
Why do you keep saying that shit over and over like some goddamned parrot? We know that already. We all knew that from day one. No one liked Castle. It's about the practical reality of gaining control of the fucking Senate, not your need to feel all warm inside for shooting down a RINO. That's what they mean by "purity Republicans." People who put their stupid, short-term interest in immediate gratification ahead of the superior long-term goal of getting people like Jim Inhofe sitting in the big chair in the environmental committee.
What are you, too dense to get that?
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 14, 2010 10:48 PM (tkcGj)
Posted by: Arlen Specter at September 14, 2010 10:48 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: gm at September 15, 2010 02:43 AM (ELiBu)
The idea was to nominate the nutter so that the nutter could get elected. You can choose to dismiss the idea out of hand and do nothing to prevent the Marxist from winning, or you can swallow hard and lend the nutter a hand to keep the Marxist out of that seat.
NOTE BENE: the nutter was given little to no chance of beating the seasoned and beloved political veteran in the primary, but she beat the odds -- her chance of doing the same against the bearded Marxist may be better than you think.
Posted by: stuiec at September 14, 2010 10:49 PM (fgCQL)
What are you, too dense to get that?
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 15, 2010 02:48 AM (tkcGj)
Maybe the fact that the exact same argument was used to justify Specter over Toomey in 2004 kind of sticks in some folks' craws.
Posted by: stuiec at September 14, 2010 10:51 PM (fgCQL)
PBS is allowed to do that. Candidates for Federal office in the USA aren't allowed to solicit or accept foreign contributions. (Which is why there's so much suspicion about how Obama's contributions in 2007/2008 flowed in through his web site with so little accountability.)
Yeah, I'm sure the Chinese have been contributing to the Clintons over the years as well.
I don't believe in interfering with another country's political landscape, but we're kinda joined at the hip with you guys...you go down, we go down. I think a lot of Canadians are looking with worry at the way things are going down there.
Posted by: CanaDave at September 14, 2010 10:51 PM (TMzkG)
It could have been the greatest moderate showcase eva...
Posted by: drfredc at September 14, 2010 10:52 PM (puRnk)
Posted by: gm at September 14, 2010 10:52 PM (ELiBu)
Posted by: George Orwell at September 14, 2010 10:53 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: Dr. Spank at September 14, 2010 10:53 PM (Y81Xa)
Posted by: Chris in Va at September 14, 2010 10:54 PM (oj52M)
Maybe the fact that the exact same argument was used to justify Specter over Toomey in 2004 kind of sticks in some folks' craws.
Stueic,do you fell like that response was helpful or probative, much less dispositive? Did you ever consider this: Maybe [fill in the blank]. You didn't think of that, did you?
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 14, 2010 10:57 PM (tkcGj)
It could have been the greatest moderate showcase eva...
Posted by: drfredc at September 15, 2010 02:52 AM (puRnk)
Yeah, and the Democratic route that we're looking at would never have happened. Derbyshire was right - the Republicans and the Democrats are both taking us to the same place, just at different speeds.
Posted by: Ace's liver at September 14, 2010 10:57 PM (XIXhw)
Posted by: gm at September 14, 2010 10:58 PM (ELiBu)
Posted by: Chris in Va at September 14, 2010 10:58 PM (oj52M)
These primary battles have been like the proxy wars between the US and the Russians.
Posted by: davidt at September 14, 2010 11:00 PM (9Pzy7)
Posted by: Chris in Va at September 14, 2010 11:00 PM (oj52M)
makes no sense. Well we'll be seeing Adrian Fenty again, in some other race. He's too valuable to squander. Maybe if the republicans are lucky they can attract him. He was doing for DC what Guiliani did for NY after Dinkens, who btw was standing right next to rangel tonight, nearly destroyed her.
Stupid is as stupid does but my friends in DC tell me that the many professors at the many colleges in solidarity with the fired teachers and their union did fenty in....in essence the unions didn't like being dissed so they got rid of fenty and I bet a lot of candidates will now be afraid of those unions, even though they are only a small percentage of the population of this county.
Posted by: curious at September 14, 2010 11:01 PM (p302b)
Posted by: eman at September 14, 2010 11:02 PM (Q3cxl)
Posted by: gm at September 14, 2010 11:03 PM (ELiBu)
This is just a little taste of what's coming in the 2012 Presidential Primary, with the grassroots supported Palin vs the GOP Establishment supported Romney.
I'd say not much. Because the political demographics of Delaware are not analogous to those of the entire country.
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 14, 2010 11:03 PM (tkcGj)
When you let your existential enemies choose the vocabulary that will be used to describe you, it hands them an advantage.
Playing word games is what the left does. Years ago they stole the term "liberal" which up until that point described someone who actually promoted liberty. Today it is a grotesque euphemism for Marxism or one of its analogues.
Red is the color of international communism. How did we get stuck with it, and why do we accept it?
Posted by: Lee Reynolds at September 14, 2010 11:04 PM (/gY4D)
People just never learn...
If Coons keeps up with this O'Donnell will win. People just don't care about this crap this year.
What the hell is it with this guys that they just can't engage on the issues? If you are such a better candidate on the issues why are you going on about everything else?
Posted by: Rocks at September 14, 2010 11:06 PM (ivAmM)
Maybe? It's a primary. They should have stayed out of this race period. Conservatives, by nature, are anti-establishment, this year especially so. They followed O'Donnell around, ran her down in the media, made calls on Castle's behalf, etc. It was a big mistake.
Posted by: Dr. Spank at September 14, 2010 11:08 PM (Y81Xa)
Posted by: curious at September 14, 2010 11:08 PM (p302b)
Posted by: curious at September 14, 2010 11:10 PM (p302b)
I don't see how any conservative can make a conservative case for Castle. It makes me question why I ever looked at this website. It's not based on emotion to vote for the person that you agree with most on the issues. This notion that we should vote for the guy "most likely" to win seems to be the emotion-based and mindless approach to the political process.
Look for Ace to do a lot of red meat posts tomorrow...the NY mosque is always gold. Jim Gerahty went that route last week.
Posted by: Matt X at September 14, 2010 11:12 PM (g+4m8)
Posted by: curious at September 15, 2010 03:10 AM (p302b)
Since when? I used my debit card tonight as a credit card and it went through fine.
Posted by: Rocks at September 14, 2010 11:13 PM (ivAmM)
The republicans should borrow the color purple
I agree...and put a tagline:
"this isn't your grandma's GOP"
Posted by: CanaDave at September 14, 2010 11:13 PM (TMzkG)
This entire discussion is weird. None of you morons are from DE. We did this all by ourselves. And now we will elect one of these idiots to the Senate. And nothing will change.
Now everybody go to bed.
Posted by: Delaware voters at September 14, 2010 11:16 PM (7FgWm)
Whose side are you on?
For all her flaws, O'Donnell (and perhaps even because of them) won the primary because she was perceived to be on "our side" as an average person, and Castle was the big-shot, running for Senator, at age 70, after a lifetime in politics.
Working for THEM. Not Us.
THAT, more than Dem-Rep, is the big issue moving forward. O'Donnell may lose, or may win, but it won't be because of D-R questions ,but "Whose side are you on? Theirs, or ours?"
Posted by: whiskey at September 14, 2010 11:17 PM (L03mw)
Why do you keep saying that shit over and over like some goddamned parrot? We know that already. We all knew that from day one.
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Congratulations, "We." Am I not allowed to respond to a comment here? Get off your angry-at-everyone high horse for a while. You are totally a broken record on that.
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What are you, too dense to get that?
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I don't give a shit about stuff that you act like I'm responding to, and especially since I didn't write anything about Jim Inhofe or any other Senator.
But since you brought it up again (and again, and again), I have already made it clear this is NOT a normal election.
We do not need the fucking senate. It would be nice, but you angry mobsters are way overselling that shit.
Having the Senate is not something that stops nominations, especially since constitutional republicans will never "Bork" anyone.
We had the Senate when amnesty was up, again. It damn near passed.
The last 25 years or so has proven that the march to statism hasn't slowed much at all with statists going into congress. But you "O'Donnell can't win" folks keep ignoring that, every time it's brought up. If you can't bring yourselves to admit that this election is a unique thing, with a movement that has gone way beyond "wave," then at least find a reasonable argument against it, other than calling everyone names and acting like they are teh stupid.
If it's the case that we die without the Senate, then this whole exercise is fucking pointless. Either we have some folks who give a shit and work to restore and repeal, or we just have a bunch of flamers who pat themselves on the back for using some strategy to win the Senate. Jazz hands, everybody!!
And more business as usual.
As long as Obama is in the executive, defunding is the only way to stop him, so winning the Senate now is not much use there.
Committee chairs are headed by LONG-TIMERS. Not new folks. Do the math. A Committee headed by folks like Castle is going to be like one headed by Specter. THAT SUCKED BALLS.
So go ahead and bang your Senate drum. Just jump on someone else about it. I'm tired of all this angry bullshit, and I'm surprised you especially are treating fellow travelers here that you have been cordial with for ages like they suddenly sprouted horns and are in favor of eating babies.
I'm not mad at you, but this shit is getting old.
Posted by: Zombie K~Bob at September 14, 2010 11:17 PM (9b6FB)
What's with the worry-wart trip, Ace? Look, it's very simple:
1. Christine O'Donnell is now the Cindarella girl. Second-most famous Republican woman in America. A superstar.
2. Chris Coons? He's a complete nobody. The guy who drew the short straw after Beau Biden backed out.
Assuming that conservatives melt the phone lines at the National Republican Senatorial Committee (202-675-6000) until those spineless asswipes are shamed into supporting O'Donnell, by Sunday everybody will be on the bandwagon and all this primary bitterness will be forgotten . . . until Nov. 3, at which point the long knives will come out and scores will be settled.
O'Donnell can win in November. Chill.
Posted by: Robert Stacy McCain at September 14, 2010 11:19 PM (ita87)
Posted by: K~Bob at September 14, 2010 11:22 PM (9b6FB)
Posted by: Robert Stacy McCain at September 14, 2010 11:23 PM (oj52M)
Posted by: Matt X at September 14, 2010 11:24 PM (g+4m8)
No, it won't. The Tea Partiers and their fellow-travellers have declared war on the GOP, the best vehicle for conservative influence in government, because they think they don't need to win elections, that they can just hold a bunch of rallies and pass laws with their Will to Power. They are delusional, they will continue to get Dems elected to harm this country, and they must be stopped. Or else it wil happen again, and again, and again, until we're Greece.
Posted by: Paul at September 15, 2010 02:17 AM (DsHk0)
You are about freakin' stupid. If you think the tsunami that is coming would be happening without the Tea Party, you are delusional.
Posted by: Steph at September 14, 2010 11:26 PM (nbzzk)
How was Castle the best candidate if he got beat badley by a supposedly awful candidate in O'Donnel?
Closed primary. Blue state. And, yes, he made some mistakes, but not enough to lose to Coons.
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 14, 2010 11:28 PM (tkcGj)
Posted by: Matt X at September 14, 2010 11:28 PM (g+4m8)
Posted by: K~Bob at September 14, 2010 11:29 PM (9b6FB)
You angry types on the Castle side keep acting like a bunch of us are "Pro O'Donnell" or "O'Donnell supporters," just for discussing this.
I doubt most of us knew who she was until a few days before Palin's endorsement. I sure didn't. So if you wan't to accuse me of shilling for her, first you will blow me.
We can discuss it without actually being "for" her, just like you Castle folks mostly claim to not be "for" Castle. So argue in good faith, dammit. And tone it back to the usual Moronic static, at least.
Same goes for the "purity" charge. AoSHQ commenters are not paragons of virtue, nor diehard churchgoin' types. At least not on the surface. Assuming we're suddenly for "purity" is a frank, bad faith assumption, for which fatwas should be issued. Or something.
And yes, just for you nitpickers, now that she's won, I'm sure most Morons will give her nominal support. Many will give a lot. Good for them.
Posted by: K~Bob at September 14, 2010 11:39 PM (9b6FB)
WeÂ’ve seen this play out time and again. Career politicians abhor principle, and adore power and fecklessness. Their presence in Washington provides constant aid and comfort to the Left. They dilute the brand, confuse voters and sell out conservatives just at the moment they are needed most.
Posted by: pam at September 14, 2010 11:41 PM (h8R9p)
Thanks to all of the anger here, I'll probably have that nightmare about Rosie O'Donnel again.
Bastards.
Posted by: K~Bob at September 14, 2010 11:42 PM (9b6FB)
Posted by: Comrade Arthur at September 14, 2010 11:43 PM (4ouHE)
Thanks to all of the anger here, I'll probably have that nightmare about Rosie O'Donnel again.
Bastards.
She's comin to get ya, k-Bob...have a good sleep
Posted by: CanaDave at September 14, 2010 11:44 PM (TMzkG)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 14, 2010 11:46 PM (tkcGj)
Primaries should be closed. Castle is on board with the Obama agenda. That's no mistake. I heard all week that Republicans in DE too "moderate" for O'Donnnel. Yet she slammed the "moderate" Castle. The guy had the GOP and most of the media in his pocket and he could not even compete in the primary against a no-name with "baggage? Castle was going to be a general election loser even if DE is as liberal as the former USSR.
A republican can't win the general without the conservative base, and Castle makes McCain look like a conservative. We had nothing to lose in this race.
Posted by: Matt X at September 14, 2010 11:50 PM (g+4m8)
Posted by: K~Bob at September 14, 2010 11:50 PM (9b6FB)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 15, 2010 03:46 AM (tkcGj)
Heh. It's a deal!
Posted by: K~Bob at September 14, 2010 11:51 PM (9b6FB)
1065 Thanks CanaDave!
I'll take my Pepcid and sleep with one eye open!
Well, I'll be up for a while so I'll take first watch for ya...rest easy
Posted by: CanaDave at September 14, 2010 11:53 PM (TMzkG)
Since when? I used my debit card tonight as a credit card and it went through fine.
Posted by: Rocks at September 15, 2010 03:13 AM (ivAmM)
It may just be some kind of computer glitch in the new york metropolitan area.
Posted by: curious at September 15, 2010 12:04 AM (p302b)
Since when? I used my debit card tonight as a credit card and it went through fine.
Posted by: Rocks at September 15, 2010 03:13 AM (ivAmM)
It may just be some kind of computer glitch in the new york metropolitan area.
Maybe it's Janet Napolitano installing some spyware to watch everybody's transactions? =:O
Posted by: CanaDave at September 15, 2010 12:11 AM (TMzkG)
Posted by: Marybeth at September 14, 2010 10:33 PM
Perino, Rove, and Christie? Oh shut the fuck up Marybeth. If Marybeth has gone to bed, then shut the fuck up everyone who agrees with her.
Posted by: arhooley at September 15, 2010 12:20 AM (N+TuO)
Posted by: snerd at September 15, 2010 12:29 AM (3aNsM)
Posted by: Chris R at September 15, 2010 12:31 AM (AO4qz)
How does any sane conservative lose sleep over Castle losing? He was pro tax hikes, Obamacare, cap and tax, etc. A vote for guy like Castle seems like political surrender to me.
Posted by: Matt X at September 15, 2010 12:33 AM (g+4m8)
Eat my shorts Chris R!
Your guy lost, to a CRAZY woman that almost no one had heard of before!
Yes, he WAS that bad.
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at September 15, 2010 12:36 AM (oIp16)
Posted by: curious at September 15, 2010 02:47 AM
I'm a female ex-Democrat switched to Republican so I think I qualify as independent woman in some way. I have nothing but contempt for Hillary.
Everyone respects her for her longevity and how she can re invent herself and keep going.
Oh please. Longevity? Charles Rangel has longevity. Ted Kennedy had longevity. Liberalism has longevity. It's nothing to respect a person for.
We may not agree with her politics but we know, as women, that her road has not been easy, even having that liability, bill.
Oh good god. She made a loveless marriage of convenience and refused to divorce that philandering fuck like a self-respecting woman because his coattails were her only path to the power she craves.
I don't know who you "independent women" are, but you certainly don't speak for me.
Posted by: arhooley at September 15, 2010 12:37 AM (N+TuO)
I know that I want to take political advice from Chris R....emotional rednecks like him are cool. I'm not seeing much pragmatism in nominating a liberal Republican to run against a liberal Democrat. How does one Obama supporter in Castle contrast himself with the Democrat? If O'Donnel makes the election about jobs and Obama, she can win. Her beatdown of Castle is the proof.
Posted by: Matt X at September 15, 2010 12:39 AM (g+4m8)
I don't live in Delaware, so I can't vote either way. What I will have to endure is a liberal media who will obsess over this as the GOP sweeps to victory virtually everywhere else. If the Senate goes 50/50, with Coons as the 50th vote .....
Why would I join a party on the Titanic which is celebrating a big chunk of ice ramming the side of the ship?
Posted by: Chris R at September 15, 2010 12:47 AM (AO4qz)
Posted by: Chris R at September 15, 2010 12:48 AM (AO4qz)
Billary scripted her life like the little power whore that she is. Ugly bitch. Given a choice, I do the handy myself.
Posted by: Heap Big Medicine, Government Slayer at September 15, 2010 12:59 AM (GOG1H)
That would be awesome. It would leave the Dems nominally in charge, but too weak to do anything.OTOH, 51R/49D would put us nominally in charge, but we'd be too weak to do anything. Remember 2005 when McCain and his band of RINOs called all the shots? No thanks.
Posted by: schizoid at September 15, 2010 01:05 AM (E2p+f)
When you control the Senate, you get to decide what is voted on. Remember middle school civics classes, anyone?
It's frustrating to hear so many conservatives behave so ignorantly towards the processes of government.
Posted by: Chris R at September 15, 2010 01:09 AM (AO4qz)
796 I felt Rove was not a mccaniac during the presidential election. In fact I said on here that I felt he was almost helping the dems. The answer i received was "money is green".
Rove & co. were Romney supporters.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at September 15, 2010 01:13 AM (yfJ6g)
Posted by: schizoid at September 15, 2010 01:15 AM (E2p+f)
Jeez, did ANYONE take social studies in high school?
Posted by: Chris R at September 15, 2010 01:20 AM (AO4qz)
If the RINOs demand a vote they will get one. They will have a swing vote on every committee and they can threaten a discharge petition if the leadership won't play ball.
Posted by: schizoid at September 15, 2010 01:24 AM (E2p+f)
The "lesser of two evils" republican party pragmatists have helped to position our country into a lesser than good state of affairs. Thanks for that, guys.
Keep on effin' that slightly purple rino. Don't forget the soapy reach-around.
Posted by: 13times at September 15, 2010 01:28 AM (h6XiD)
1084 A slight R majority puts the RINOs in charge of the Senate, not us, and they will go along with the Dems on the DREAM act and such...
If that's the case, then why bother ever voting again? Look-- Reagan is a national treasure because you don't see many politicians like him in a lifetime. Thus, you can't keep holding-out with some great hope that you're going to find a whole group of Reagans, DeMints, Inhoffes, etc. I would love for it to be the case, but it doesn't work that way. Checking Obama is the most important thing right now, & it should be our focus. Let's slow the tide of socialist policies, then start cleaning house; otherwise, prepare for another anti-American president & Congress.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at September 15, 2010 01:30 AM (yfJ6g)
It doesn't work that way. The party will never reform while they're fat and happy and in the majority. It's only now that they're on the ropes that they're willing to listen to us.
Posted by: schizoid at September 15, 2010 01:35 AM (E2p+f)
A slight R majority puts the RINOs in charge of the Senate, not us, and they will go along with the Dems on the DREAM act and such. The end result is the same, but we get blamed because we have a so-called majority. In reality the Dem-RINO coalition is the majority.
Bingo! It is time for boldness. The Dems have proven they are willing to tank the country to get their long held wishes. The RINO's don't even slow this slide to socialism.
If the central government gets much stronger, political parties become a meaningless distinction. We will be ruled by the permanent bureaucracy.
Posted by: Knaws at September 15, 2010 01:37 AM (xq8rp)
Posted by: Chris in Va at September 15, 2010 01:37 AM (oj52M)
I guess if we want the GOP to be a permanent 40% majority, we should continue to demand ideological purity from every region of the country, including areas which ideological conservatism is almost unheard of (Delaware, anyone).
For the last time, Castle has a lifetime ACU rating on 59%, not great but better than any sitting Democrat in the Senate. What will Coons' be? 0%?
Posted by: Chris R at September 15, 2010 01:40 AM (AO4qz)
Posted by: Chris R at September 15, 2010 01:41 AM (AO4qz)
That means somehow we need to get to a conservative majority. Electing liberal republicans does not help at all.
Posted by: schizoid at September 15, 2010 01:54 AM (E2p+f)
by the way, Castle's cocksuckery after he lost shows you exactly how much he cares about the Republican party and how much he cares about defeating the Democrats.
Some of you will have to learn the hard way, but you'll learn, eventually.
Posted by: AoS Pirate...now with extra-absorbent wings at September 15, 2010 02:24 AM (Fe3ZO)
Posted by: schizoid at September 15, 2010 02:35 AM (E2p+f)
He won't be sitting in the EIB chair again for a while.
Posted by: Valiant at September 15, 2010 02:43 AM (UKSRV)
Maybe, just maybe, enough people (even in Del.) are fed up with being fed up.
“… Already long ago, from when we sold our vote to no man, the People have abdicated our duties; for the People who once upon a time handed out military command, high civil office, legions - everything, now restrains itself and anxiously hopes for just two things: bread and circuses.” (Decimus Iunius Iuvenalis, describing the end of the Roman republic in Satire X, A.D. 200)
Never entrust power to anyone not willing to surrender it.
Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Collingwood RN at September 15, 2010 02:51 AM (UL/HQ)
Bingo! It is time for boldness. The Dems have proven they are willing to tank the country to get their long held wishes. The RINO's don't even slow this slide to socialism.
"Remember what Friedrich the Great said...'l'audace, l'audace, toujours l'audace"
--Patton
Posted by: CanaDave at September 15, 2010 03:04 AM (TMzkG)
The fact of the matter is that Castle didn't mount an effective campaign against her. Apparently he dismissed the level of voter anger and the strength of the tea party movement. I am dubious that someone that clueless could have won this fall, anyway.
O'Donnell supporters now need to get smart real quick, support her (because apparently the NSRC isn't going to) and help her figure out a way to explain her "checkered past", as totally UNHELPFUL Karl Rove described it.
Bein as how I have a checkered past myself, I am not unsympathetic to O'Donnell. She needs a story line that explains it, and that's that.
Of course, aggravated as I am at Rove, at least the media is going after that story ("Rove criticizes tea party") and not O'Donnell's past, so maybe it's a blessing in disguise.
Sour grapes need to be over with today. We need to win as many states as we can.
And to quote a former Secretary of Defense, "You go to war with the army you've got."
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 15, 2010 03:04 AM (bixjr)
That may be more of an indication of the voter's mood, than anything else.
I think, she has an excellent chance.
Posted by: franksalterego at September 15, 2010 03:09 AM (+6fgE)
Anytime the GOP sends me fund raising solicitations in the mail, I stuff all of their crap in the postage paid envelope and send it back to them.
My state GOP screwed around and really trashed the tea party candidate. He lost. The gave us a turd to vote for in November.
The way I see it, the (D) turd is about the same as the (R) turd, so I won't be pulling any levers for that race.
Posted by: Principals over party at September 15, 2010 03:10 AM (DYJjQ)
Bein as how I have a checkered past myself, I am not unsympathetic to O'Donnell. She needs a story line that explains it, and that's that.
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" ...there aren't very many people on this planet that don't have some kind of skeleton in their closet...the thing is that it only seems to be Republicans that get done in by that...and that is only because they allow themselves to be done in by it out of some misplaced? sense of guilt.
Posted by: CanaDave at September 15, 2010 03:12 AM (TMzkG)
You know who else was just way too conservative to win the general and we ought to back the "moderate" so we can beat the Democrat?
Marco Fucking Rubio, that's who.
Posted by: blaster at September 15, 2010 03:17 AM (MrMxG)
Posted by: Tony at September 15, 2010 03:20 AM (lI9wK)
A lot of these people think that "citizen participation" means that we dutifully show up to stuff envelopes and hand out yard signs, hand in our donations, and then go home and vote for whoever they select. None of them wants our opinions.
It is pathetic that YouTube is full off home-made candidate commercials and anti-Obama ads done by private citizens, while the NRSC sits on it's money pile and does nothing except interfere in primaries.
This attitude of how stupid the electorate is sounds remarkably like the democrats. It isn't going to help moderate Republicans any more than it has helped the left.
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 15, 2010 03:25 AM (bixjr)
The only way voters have to insure that the GOP vote for fiscal and constitutional conservancy should NOT endanger the GOP Senate Majority.
MSM and the Left would pit elected Tea Party Republicans against Republicans.
Posted by: maverick muse at September 15, 2010 03:36 AM (H+LJc)
I simply can not believe we are still arguing about Castle v. O'Donnell. O'Donnell won and not only won, she won handily. If you can not get behind her and all you want to do is pull a Rove, then STFU and move on to another blog. I am tired of hearing about all the "crap" that she did or did not do.
I NEVER say a single link by ANYONE that was nothing more than the same kind of rumor BS that was leveled against Palin in 2008. It was either pure made up shit, or it was sly little comments about how loony she was because people stretched what she actually said or took it out of context. Hell, some of you people could get a damn job with MSNBC because you are using their tactics.
And I keep seeing the BS about Castle and 59 for 2009 with his lifetime. More MSNBC crap. That 59 is the highest he has had in recent memory or as far back as I want to search ACU. Try looking at 2008 with his 28. Or 2007 with his 20!. He bounces around between the low 20s and the low 50s for the past 7 years.
So get behind O'Donnell or just shut up and move on. Contribute your money to some other damn RINO/DIABLO.
And I'll be in and out all day today.
Posted by: Vic at September 15, 2010 03:37 AM (/jbAw)
O'Donnell has not yet passed laws prohibiting free speech, or attempted to provide illegal aliens amnesty with open borders, or working to prohibit over the counter sales of nutritional supplements, etc.
Don't tell me it's apples and oranges.
Posted by: maverick muse at September 15, 2010 03:39 AM (H+LJc)
Posted by: Pigilito at September 15, 2010 03:41 AM (2loKq)
Soon to be a party so small you can drown it in a bathtub.
Posted by: Tony at September 15, 2010 03:41 AM (lI9wK)
I'm sick and tired of RINO's voting for cap and tax and to impeach Bush, stuff like that.
This will send a signal that we mean business, boy - control of the Senate means nothing unless we get 60 anyway.
And will you look at those liberals celebrating like this? How stupid can you get?
Posted by: Robert at September 15, 2010 03:41 AM (cd6Ip)
To all of ya'll either get with the program or crawl back in some other freaking hole and pull the dirt in on top.
Posted by: Vic at September 15, 2010 03:45 AM (/jbAw)
Posted by: Vic at September 15, 2010 03:46 AM (/jbAw)
Yeah it's funny stuff.
"Without mike Castle the GOP is doomed!"
"eleventy!"
Um the party survived losing reagan. I think Rove and friends are forgetting that we on the right are not in to all that "indispensible man" ala Teddy K and Bobby Byrd crap the leftoids imbibe. If the world can survive the loss of reagan it sure as hell can survive the loss of mike Castle.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 15, 2010 03:47 AM (kq1lG)
I think a lot of these "newbies" are Kossites coming on conservative blogs to stir up shit in a vain attempt to stifle Republican/Conservative enthusiasm because they know their commie assholes have killed the yellow dogs for now.
Posted by: Vic at September 15, 2010 03:49 AM (/jbAw)
I agree it is part of why I was scarce the last several days....
I have no dog in the fight, I back whomever the DE party picked to beat the democrat unless they are a bigot, insane, or criminal. I was told to hold my nose and vote for Captain RiNO John McCain despite my distaste at "MAVERICK!" and I did, was made easier by SARAH! but I digress. I think it is funny that the "Moderates" in the GOP take their ball and won't go home when they lose a primary.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 15, 2010 03:50 AM (kq1lG)
Posted by: nine coconuts at September 15, 2010 03:51 AM (DHNp4)
Yeah I get some of that as well. There is definitely an axleturfer vibe in the air. We call what I posted in 1122 "party loyalty" by the way. Castle and Grabowski up in Alaska are showing they are NOT party loyal.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 15, 2010 03:51 AM (kq1lG)
Posted by: Vic at September 15, 2010 03:52 AM (/jbAw)
GOP just hurt themselves by coming out right after she won and saying they wont support her......
Why would we want anther RINO? So he could vote with the dems.. reach across the aisle and let Obama claim bi partisianship? Really? I want Obama and the dems to own every last crappy decision until November 2012.
Electing a RINO gives Obama a second term. Fuck him.
Posted by: Timbo at September 15, 2010 03:54 AM (ph9vn)
Posted by: Tami at September 15, 2010 03:55 AM (VuLos)
I think a lot of these "newbies" are Kossites coming on conservative blogs to stir up shit in a vain attempt to stifle Republican/Conservative enthusiasm because they know their commie assholes have killed the yellow dogs for now.
Posted by: Vic at September 15, 2010 07:49 AM (/jbAw)
I suspected the same thing, but I blame the twittering habits of a few cob-loggers. Too many new people we have never seen before, and will likely never see again, and it reminds me of the crap we saw here during the gay marriage thread wars.
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at September 15, 2010 03:56 AM (oIp16)
"The Red Wave might even be bigger than we thought."
Gee, ya think?
How about reasons Delaware is "ssooo Liberal".
1. The GOP is slimy, corrupt, arrogant, incompetent, wizened and ssooo over. And everyone in Delaware knows them as such.
Posted by: gary gulrud at September 15, 2010 03:57 AM (/g2vP)
We've still got an overall lead, we've still got the entirety of the last two years to hammer them with, and if we can successfully nationalize the election as a referendum on "the failed policies of the last two years", we can bump things up enough to get Delaware close and possibly even get to 51 without Delaware.
Posted by: Charvanek at September 15, 2010 03:57 AM (BFm2s)
"O'Donnell supporters would disagreed if Castle won. Now who's the RINO?"
Oh, and the reverse ain't, smegma breath?
The state GOP "will write off the election" should the challenger win was the report last night.
Posted by: gary gulrud at September 15, 2010 04:01 AM (/g2vP)
Posted by: nine coconuts at September 15, 2010 04:01 AM (DHNp4)
Posted by: ford sells volts at September 15, 2010 04:03 AM (Ki7fm)
No pudding?
What's with the defeatist attitude? O'Donnell couldn't beat Castle a few weeks ago; it was simply impossible.
Maybe the GOP will get it, now. This isn't a voter revolt against democrats; it's a voter revolt against big government and ANYONE who supports it.
Posted by: Bill Clinton at September 15, 2010 04:04 AM (X1Y8q)
Posted by: packsoldier at September 15, 2010 04:04 AM (Yy+gQ)
Posted by: ford sells volts at September 15, 2010 04:05 AM (Ki7fm)
Posted by: nine coconuts at September 15, 2010 08:01 AM (DHNp4)
Me too, seeing this continuing argument, mostly by a pile of unknown slugs pissed me off.
Hey slugs, your BS ain't discouraging me. It makes me want to sent money to more "hardcore far right" candidates, especially if they are taking down some DIABLO SOB.
Posted by: Vic at September 15, 2010 04:06 AM (/jbAw)
Posted by: gary gulrud at September 15, 2010 04:06 AM (/g2vP)
Posted by: nine coconuts at September 15, 2010 04:06 AM (DHNp4)
I stand corrected.
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 15, 2010 04:07 AM (bixjr)
is this site LGF #2?
Posted by: ford sells volts at September 15, 2010 08:05 AM (Ki7fm)
That's a subject matter ban, not a person ban, although I saw one troll accusing Ace of all kinds of underhanded crap. That one should be permanently banned and I have a feeling if Ace sees the comment he will be.
Posted by: Vic at September 15, 2010 04:08 AM (/jbAw)
"The Red Wave might even be bigger than we thought."
Gee, ya think?
How about reasons Delaware is "ssooo Liberal".
1. The GOP is slimy, corrupt, arrogant, incompetent, wizened and ssooo over. And everyone in Delaware knows them as such.
Posted by: gary gulrud at September 15, 2010 07:57 AM (/g2vP)
But he posted this twelve days ago
He smells like a professional Moby troll to me.
397"Do you want to defeat Obama, or do you want to sit in a corner an wack off?"
O'Mamba is toast, the Donks know running with Chupacabra next time will recruit legions for the death squads. He'll be quietly shown Hoffa's dumpster, given plane tickets and Delaware's pride will run out the clock.
That said 2010 has to setup 2012 in Congress, especially the Senate, and giving DIABLOs a free pass this time is no way to rattle cages or euthanize the terminal.
Posted by: gary gulrud at September 03, 2010 04:42 PM (/g2vP)
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at September 15, 2010 04:09 AM (oIp16)
we'd have a long way to go to be lgf#2 friend....
Ace isn't that crazy, and I don't think Camp Banhammer is in the air, unlike tepid Air and Allahsquish.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 15, 2010 04:11 AM (kq1lG)
Now, with O'Donnell as the nominee, the GOP has decided it won't play at all. That's pathetic. In this intraparty dust-up, the establishment got its ass handed to them, so they are going to take their ball and go home. I am particularly disturbed by one of the co-bloggers basically saying "Congratulations, you fucked up. It's all on you now." That's an announcement of a deep schism in the party. That will not serve us well at all. Should be a hell of a convention in 12.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 15, 2010 04:13 AM (Id8Tt)
Finally, I voted for McCain only to find out HIS staffers were torpedoing Palin. Maverick, my balls. The game is up, RINOs . I'll be fucking you first from now on.
Posted by: SurferDoc at September 15, 2010 04:13 AM (RKpGM)
Posted by: nine coconuts at September 15, 2010 04:14 AM (DHNp4)
Still a big money disadvantage, but at least for now she's got some momentum.
Posted by: Charvanek at September 15, 2010 04:15 AM (BFm2s)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 15, 2010 04:19 AM (eOXTH)
The 3rd Quarter 1040ES is due today. I meant to sent it yesterday but stayed on here too long and forgot. Hope the letter gets postmarked today (I'm on a RR).
Anyway, off to morning walk and then yard work. In and out all today.
Posted by: Vic at September 15, 2010 04:21 AM (/jbAw)
morning, cocksuckers
hopefully we can go back to more intelligent commenting, today
You still drunk?
Posted by: Kemp at September 15, 2010 04:22 AM (AQxTm)
Posted by: The Chicken at September 15, 2010 04:22 AM (00/a9)
Thanks Vic, dropping mine off at the PO this morning on my way out...not a DAY sooner!
Posted by: billygoat at September 15, 2010 04:26 AM (5qJM5)
Posted by: NM Hick at September 15, 2010 04:28 AM (IzuWw)
"I'm taking my marbles and going home. Boohoohoo," Cornyn/NRSC.
Posted by: maverick muse at September 15, 2010 04:29 AM (H+LJc)
Rock Hill, S.C. -- A woman who was eating pigÂ’s feet in bed accidentally cut her friend in the arm, police say.
The 52-year-old Rock Hill woman told police she accidentally cut a friend in the forearm with a knife around 10:30 p.m. Sunday. Both she and the victim, 50, were intoxicated, according to a Rock Hill police report.
He had a deep cut to his arm. The report did not state if he was hospitalized.
No charges were filed, but the incident remains under investigation.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 15, 2010 04:30 AM (Id8Tt)
Point being, don't squander money on a sure winner who will win regardless of your investment. Invest in the hotly contested races, and in the candidates running against all odds in order to get the biggest bang from the buck and end up with the Congressional Majority.
Posted by: maverick muse at September 15, 2010 04:31 AM (H+LJc)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2010 04:34 AM (FkKjr)
and it reminds me of the crap we saw here during the gay marriage thread wars
Also known as the Second Braided Pubic Wars
Posted by: Ben at September 15, 2010 04:35 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: Ben at September 15, 2010 04:36 AM (wuv1c)
Allahpundit could also wind-up in a threesome too. I guess ANYTHING is possible Ace.
Posted by: Lance Mudock at September 15, 2010 04:38 AM (BwJlD)
Posted by: maddogg at September 15, 2010 04:42 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: schizoid at September 15, 2010 04:47 AM (E2p+f)
Posted by: Jean at September 15, 2010 04:48 AM (OsAaC)
In one respect, I hope the GOP keesp up with their little temper tantrum and doesn't fund O'Donnell, not one cent. I think the fact that they didn't get their "inside" choice would be enough to PO so many people that they'd vote for her to spite them.
The other thing that's nagging me today is Eric Cantor, of "Young Guns" fame. Spare me. I don't know if Eric knows, but there are new guys gunning for his job in '12. Here's the voting record of this "conservative's conservative:
Eric Cantor voted for: -- the 2002 Farm Bill; -- Ted Kennedy's No Child Left Behind; -- the Prescription Drug BIll (that added $8 trillion of unfunded liabilities to a program that already had $15- $20 trillion of unfunded liabilities); -- the 2005 Transportation Bill (with 13,000+ earmarks including the"Bridge to Nowhere"); -- he voted for TARP twice (the first time when it was defeated, and the second time when it passed); -- and most recently, he voted for the Puerto Rican Freedom Act. RINO in sheep's clothing.Posted by: RushBabe at September 15, 2010 04:51 AM (a3Z62)
BUT, and this is a big but, you don't IMMEDIATELY announce that after a primary. Its dickish and stupid.
Posted by: CAC
Townhall is reporting that Mike Castle will not endorse O'Donnell
Posted by: Ben at September 15, 2010 08:36 AM
And I voted for that jerk. And I suppose that I'll be expected to support the RNC and NSRC? They abdoned her candidacy the same night it was born, and we're expected to know our place and be grateful?
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 15, 2010 04:51 AM (R2fpr)
Posted by: sliderblaze at September 15, 2010 04:51 AM (Jesjh)
Well, I live fairly close to Rock Hill, but swear it wasn't me. But I make it a rule to never eat pig's feet in bed. My mother brought me up well. Pig's feet at the table only. She never told me about a knife in bed though....
Posted by: Lady in Black at September 15, 2010 04:51 AM (M6enm)
You see the reaction of the GOP establishment to O'Donnell's win? Thats why those fucking idiots cannot get their pitiful shit together enough to do any good in their elections.
Even though I wanted Castle, I have to admit Rove was a freaking jackass last night.
I think many republicans are starting to realize that they've got a Golem on their hands. The moderates in the Party thought they could use the Tea Party and are finding out now, bitterly, that it is the Tea Party that is in control, or more specifically out of their control.
Now, obviously, since the Tea Party is an ideological movement and not a political (realist?) group, they are going to lose elections in some states where we should win, but the idea is that all future moderates who run in blue states need to veer more to the right if they wish to get elected and stay in office.
Posted by: Ben at September 15, 2010 04:53 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: Drider at September 15, 2010 04:53 AM (HaJD9)
You know who was down 11 points the day after winning his primary? Harry Fucking Reid. By NRSC logic, the Dems should have immediately written him off and cut off all his funding. Too bad the Dems aren't that stupid.
Look, if its 4 weeks before the election and she is down about 10 points, i can understand the NRSC not wanting to waste money. That would make sense considering there are SO MANY races that will be closer and in need of cash, but to announce it the night of her victory?
Its becoming clear that only the RGA is a well run organization that isn't politically tone def within its own party.
Posted by: Ben at September 15, 2010 04:56 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 15, 2010 04:58 AM (eOXTH)
Christine O'Donnell now running at 173% of her fundraising goal this morning.
I'm glad to be a small part of that. Hopefully she will not need the GOP at all.
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at September 15, 2010 04:58 AM (oIp16)
Posted by: beerologist at September 15, 2010 04:58 AM (gNzDf)
The important point is that real conservatives have become active. They are onto the danger Lord Zero represents, and the need actually to do something about it. Maybe too late with too little, especially given the abomination of one-man-one-vote that exalts the value of illiteracy and irresponsibility, but at least it's something.
Once this group is motivated, they will be less likely to lapse into apathy than are the greater unwashed. Just might be able to save our bacon, but it will be a steep pull.
Will also require belief in the proposition that it can happen. Not, thankfully, in short supply here.
Posted by: Roger at September 15, 2010 04:59 AM (tAwhy)
Posted by: Reality Man at September 15, 2010 04:59 AM (obXkJ)
Posted by: RushBabe at September 15, 2010 04:59 AM (a3Z62)
Posted by: Jean at September 15, 2010 05:01 AM (Hu4Fg)
To all those outside of Delaware whining about the lack of open primaries, I suggest that the Devil should take you all. Since Delaware is such an oh so blue state, how the Hell does anyone think that we'd get a primary here that wouldn't be flooded by Dems? You think that the Dems in the State Assembly would allow anything else?
We have closed primaries here, at least in theory. Castle and the state GOP have announced that they exist in theory only. And the NSRC confirmed that. If Castle needed the beautiful people and should have disdained the conservative peasantry, then he should have started this run AS an Independent.
There was no "message sent" or "gut check". Over 30% of the party turned out and rejected BOTH of the party's annointed ones. The attacks backfired, and the party members did what they haven't done in a very long time; participated in a real primary.
Ace is quite right in saying that the long term view was clearly not taken (except perhaps for my case, and look where it got me)
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 15, 2010 05:02 AM (R2fpr)
Posted by: CAC at September 15, 2010 05:02 AM (lV4Fs)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 15, 2010 05:05 AM (eOXTH)
Mike Castle has been in office for too long and the evidence of that is that he has half the GOP's head shoved in his fly, after he has lost, simply because they owe him favors from long ago.
RINOs protect other RINOs and this is the best example of why they must be shown the door at every available opportunity. They conspire to hold good candidates back and support the very people we hate.
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at September 15, 2010 05:05 AM (oIp16)
Did our path to winning the senate become harder? YES.
Does that mean its impossible? NO, and we have a solid bench of conservatives and liberal Republicans (NOT Rinos, and there is a big difference when it comes to loyalty and message) that can collectively flood the Senate. A majority this year sets us up for bigger gains in 2012.
Posted by: CAC
Hear Hear!
I feel like John Dickinson in 1776. My conclusion is that she is a long shot at best, and may very well self destruct. But I will go and fight in her defense. I'll be joining the campaign however I can.
I'll send bulletins as and when possible.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 15, 2010 05:07 AM (R2fpr)
Back for a short check:
As much as I like DeMint and Palin it looks like Angle and Rand Paul have figured out the best way to handle a hostile press, AND a hostile RNC recently so maybe she should take her advice from them.
As far as her being down 11 points on Coon, that poll is now completely obsolete and due mainly to a pack of lies promulgated by her opponent. Lets let the Eeyores and the Castlebots STFU for a couple of weeks and see what the Ras comes up with.
Posted by: Vic at September 15, 2010 05:07 AM (/jbAw)
You would think a "media consultant" who has run for office five times and lost would have figured that out by now. Maybe moving into the general, when she gets a tough question, she'll ask the person if Coons paid them off.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 15, 2010 05:08 AM (mHQ7T)
Posted by: CAC at September 15, 2010 05:09 AM (lV4Fs)
Posted by: maddogg at September 15, 2010 05:10 AM (OlN4e)
Please don't talk to me about "emotion-based moves".
Thank you, Fifty-Two Percenters!
Posted by: Barack Hussein Toonces Obama at September 15, 2010 05:12 AM (554T5)
The media are already wish-meme-ing her a loser.
We shall see.
Coons is a far left-wing whack job. Coons is too extreme for Delaware!
Jonah's take.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at September 15, 2010 05:14 AM (0fzsA)
So, the GOP doesn't want to support Angle in Nevada, threatened to not support Joe Miller in Alaska, and VOWS not to support O'Donnell in DE. This is also the party that venerates the extra-squishy Lispy Graham, and elevates back-stabber McCain to Presidential candidate status. The McCain that couldn't bring himself to say one negative thing about his democrat rival during the presidential campaign, instead telling America at a pivotal point in the campaign that (paraphrase here) "You have nothing to fear from Barack Obama. He is a decent and honorable man, and would make a fine president". The same McCain that punched, kicked, scratched, and eye-gouged at JD in his most recent primary. This GOP is the one that lionizes Karl Rove as a strategist, and hangs on his every word. By the way, that "brilliant strategy" was to grow the big tent of the GOP, not by converting centrist America to more conservative values, but by "moderating" the Republican message. Wait, did I say "moderate"? Read that as Liberalizing.
The same GOP that gave us No Child Left Behind.
The same GOP that expanded Medicaid/Medicare to include a prescription drug coverage.
The same GOP that tried to force an amnesty for illegal immigrants bill on an unwilling populace.
The same GOP whose Chairman spends thousands at strip clubs and tries to rap while center-right America looks for a political alternative to psuedo-marxism being forced on them.
The same GOP whose former majority leader vows to "co-opt these new guys" as soon as they get to DC.
I guess this GOP not wanting to support candidates from their own party who duly won their respective primaries should come as no suprise.
Stupid fuckers still don't get it....the times, they are a changin
Posted by: OneEyedJack at September 15, 2010 05:14 AM (E6pP6)
Posted by: CAC at September 15, 2010 05:14 AM (lV4Fs)
Posted by: JEM at September 15, 2010 02:28 AM (o+SC1)
Just going through some of the comments from after I went to bed last night and this one made me laugh. Thanks for the funny! Made my morning.
Posted by: Mandy P. at September 15, 2010 05:14 AM (MK6Kx)
I suspect I may not speak for you and my friends may not speak for you but it may be a generational thing.
Posted by: curious at September 15, 2010 05:15 AM (p302b)
I hope we get a post excoriating Castle and the RNC for taking their ball and going home, what do they want to do, teach conservatives a lesson or something? They might as well vote democrat.
Posted by: Reality Man at September 15, 2010 05:16 AM (obXkJ)
You would think a "media consultant" who has run for office five times and lost would have figured that out by now. Maybe moving into the general, when she gets a tough question, she'll ask the person if Coons paid them off.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane
Are you now channelling Mike Castle? The primary is over. There are some fancy, important people still throwing tantrums. We shouldn't be among them. Did you hear what the NSRC did? We're all she's got. People here have been complaining about stupid messages, and not being realistic. Condemning a candidate during a wave year? Announcing to the Dems, "Don't spend money here; you can have this.
Ya want me to tell you what the next party meeting is going to look like here?
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 15, 2010 05:16 AM (R2fpr)
Posted by: CAC at September 15, 2010 05:18 AM (lV4Fs)
1186RINOs protect other RINOs and this is the best example of why they must be shown the door at every available opportunity. They conspire to hold good candidates back and support the very people we hate.
well said. The best thing Karl Rove could do for the GOP is disappear for a few months. For a supposed pro, his act last night was astonishingly stupid and counterproductive.
Posted by: louis tully at September 15, 2010 05:21 AM (K/USr)
Posted by: Tami at September 15, 2010 05:21 AM (VuLos)
Posted by: SurferDoc at September 15, 2010 05:22 AM (RKpGM)
It's a small state.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2010 09:21 AM (E97ku)
So the thought process is that donations ONLY come from within the state?
Posted by: Tami at September 15, 2010 05:23 AM (VuLos)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 15, 2010 05:25 AM (QyzAh)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2010 09:21 AM (E97ku)
So the thought process is that donations ONLY come from within the state?
Posted by: Tami
I think that he was jesting (the First State Avengers will be coming for you later Chemjeff).
It sounds to me that someone wisely set a modest goal in the hopes of being able to report that they exceeded their intake by a wide margin. It goes toward reversing the negative meme.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 15, 2010 05:25 AM (R2fpr)
Posted by: CAC at September 15, 2010 05:26 AM (lV4Fs)
She spread rumors that Castle voted for Obamacare (lie), voted to impeach Bush (lie), would caucus with the Democrats (lie), cheated on his wife with men (lie), etc. Castle pointed out that her lawsuit claimed the ISI cost her $150,000 in "earning power" because she couldn't audit a Princeton undergrad course. That she didn't win the counties against Biden she claimed to have won. They asked her about her finances and her education. This is standard in a primary, not some RINO conspiracy. Her supporters cannot win graciously. Now they think they can rope the GOP into pouring resources into someone who slandered them throughout the primary.
Her campaign manager Matt Moran tells CNN she audited an undergraduate course at Princeton and says, "None of this is relevant as far as I'm concerned. We're up against the full weight of the NRSC (the National Republican Senatorial Committee) and the Castle campaign and their media surrogates who have done nothing but try to character assassinate Christine."
Now she wants money from them?!! Get fucking serious. At least DeMint is taking responsibility for this mess and has sent out the call to raise cash for O'Donnell. He wants $174,000 by next week. So, there you go. All you O'Donnell supporters who want to take your country back, write a check to Jim DeMint or directly to O'Donnell's landlord.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 15, 2010 05:28 AM (mHQ7T)
Posted by: the peanut gallery at September 15, 2010 05:28 AM (NurK6)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 15, 2010 08:13 AM (Id8Tt)
This is nothing new, the party bigshots kneecapped their own Presidential candidate in 1964 and they tried to do it in 1980. The GOP is not a conservative party and really never has been; conservatives were in control for a couple of brief periods (Reagan's two terms and shortly after the '94 elections), but for the bulk of its history the country club establishment types have ruled the roost.
I held my nose and voted for McCain two years ago. Hell, I closed my eyes and voted for Graham also despite the fact that he's crap, but now that the shoe's on the other foot it's all, "Well, good luck to you guys."
I've seen quite a few supposed allies throwing the same sorts of epithets and slurs toward Tea Party people that the leftists use. Calling O'Donnell people shortsighted, missing the forest for the trees, etc. is perfectly justified in my opinion. Calling them hillbillies, bumpkins, idiots, and other similar names tells me a lot more about the people saying it.
At least this primary has brought clarity to the situation.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at September 15, 2010 05:28 AM (JxMoP)
Coons is a far left-wing whack job. Coons is too extreme for Delaware!
Chris Coons has a proven record in both the private sector and Delaware government. He was a corporate attorney at Gore. He's so extreme that the voters of New Castle county made him their County Executive.
This is not a Cynthia McKinney type candidate.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, COD fires back at Karl Rove for his "unfactual" statements. (abc news website)
Posted by: kallisto at September 15, 2010 05:28 AM (+FkcS)
Posted by: CAC at September 15, 2010 05:30 AM (lV4Fs)
Posted by: CAC
14 people, heh. I more than that many people here money.
Roads? What are these things?
We're actually 45th in population, beating Vermont, one of the Dakotas and Alaska.
Criscrossing and getting in peoples faces at all sorts of events has been key here. The size of the state allows it (drive time north to south; about 2 and 1/2 hours). Castle was in various offices for forthy years. Many people here became voters with him already in office. I was one of them.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 15, 2010 05:30 AM (R2fpr)
Oh, was that mean to poor little Christine O'Donnell? Quoting her? Pointing out her record?
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 15, 2010 05:32 AM (mHQ7T)
Posted by: Independent Voters at September 15, 2010 05:33 AM (554T5)
Posted by: Malcolm Tent at September 15, 2010 05:33 AM (/qo5z)
Carly Fiorina in California is self funding, or should be.
I don't want to see ANY GOP money come out here. If Carly cannot win against Boxer on strictly issues, then no amount of money will help her.
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at September 15, 2010 05:35 AM (oIp16)
Endorsing the Democrat would be scummy, but he doesn't owe her a thing. Really. Her supporters should pick up and move on instead of giving over to the paranoia she has been spreading.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 15, 2010 05:35 AM (mHQ7T)
Oh, was that mean to poor little Christine O'Donnell? Quoting her? Pointing out her record?
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane
It was counterproductive. Which is exactly what many here, including myself were saying about her. But the primary is over. You want to help Barack Obama? Then keep piling on. meanwhile we in Delaware have to look to our own.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 15, 2010 05:35 AM (R2fpr)
Majority Leader and all the committee chair's aren't logjams.
But hey, with Marxist Coons consistently voting far left, we're avoiding logjams, so that's good.
Take a page out of Ace's book and be magnanimous in victory and try, just a little, to pretend like you think O'Donnel has a chance.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at September 15, 2010 05:36 AM (Aw0+T)
Posted by: NM Hick at September 15, 2010 05:37 AM (IzuWw)
Posted by: CAC at September 15, 2010 05:39 AM (lV4Fs)
Posted by: NM Hick
I hadn't thought of that. The underdog may be the best way to run in the time remaining.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 15, 2010 05:40 AM (R2fpr)
Posted by: jjshaka at September 15, 2010 05:41 AM (p2ttV)
She has been raising money successfully and working with Meg Whitman to strengthen the Republican brand in CA. Neither of them have badmouthed the party or claimed the "good old boys" were picking on them. They began by helping out on the McCain campaign, fostering relationships and cooperating with the power players. Sarah Palin endorsed Fiorina, so just call her a RINO establishment shill. But if those races are competitive, absolutely the NRSC should devote resources to them. If O'Donnell improves, maybe the party will come around and push her. But she started off on the wrong foot.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 15, 2010 05:41 AM (mHQ7T)
Posted by: Thorvald at September 15, 2010 05:41 AM (Rn5tp)
Posted by: Pigilito at September 15, 2010 07:41 AM (2loKq)"
really "parties govern" not individuals? Well sir/madame may I remind you that this country is a success because of something called "rugged individualism" and the "one man one vote" ethic....I'm sorry if you do not understand what is going on with the tea parties. It is a rag tag loosely held together group of people from all walks of life, all income levels, all colors, all faiths, all political parties who hold the notion that they are better at deciding their fate than those who refuse to listen to them. They are for LESS TAX, small government, supporting the constitution, not perverting it, God, mom's apple pie and being a true American. Being a true American is not an outward thing, has nothing to do with color or religion or economic status, being a true American has to do with what is in your heart, character, integrity, doing the right thing even if you are standing alone. quietly helping your worst enemy just because they need help and not needing to receive credit or kudos for that help. A tea party person is looking for evidence of "to thine own self be true" in a candidate cause they are going to send them to the most corrupt place on the planet and they need to have the stamina to stand up in that place and fight for what they believe.
I haven't been to anything tea party, haven't joined the tea party but dear God, to know what is going on here all you need to do is observed without a jaded partisan eye.
the parties last night proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that they agree with the legislators who showed a "deaf ear" to their constituencies.
Posted by: curious at September 15, 2010 05:42 AM (p302b)
Posted by: The Great and all Poweful Oz (of the GOP) at September 15, 2010 05:43 AM (lV4Fs)
It's realistic while her supporters are imagining she is anyone different than she has ever been. If you want to support her now, the most sensible way to look at it is, "Sure, she's crazy, but so is the Democrat. We don't care. We want something new." But there's no denying that she is totally out of her mind. That would be counterproductive.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 15, 2010 05:46 AM (mHQ7T)
There you go, guys. Have fun.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 15, 2010 05:48 AM (mHQ7T)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane
1. Perhaps. That would be a very smart move on their part, especially if she shows any progress in the polls. Make the Dems defend EVERYWHERE. The sight of the party moving in to aid her would add to the picture of a wave year, where Republicans are threatening in blue strongholds.
2.She certainly did start out with the wrong foot, and flat-footed to boot. But she set out to win a primary and Castle didn't. That's why we're here trying to figure out how to drag her across the finish line. If Castle and the party here did their job, all of this pain would have been avoided.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 15, 2010 05:50 AM (R2fpr)
I think there is a very strong chance that the Dems will just not turn out to vote. I think they are demoralized. This will bode well for O'Donnell..
Also who said the NRSC will not give any money to O'Donnell. A low level flack? I want names.
Posted by: Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz at September 15, 2010 05:51 AM (4JpPD)
In a way, this is good for the Tea Party brand, bad for the Republicans ... And that may mean more to the people in the country than anything else. I bet as soon as the Republicans in the Senate figure this out, they will turn it off.
Posted by: tarpon at September 15, 2010 05:54 AM (g0QB8)
It's realistic while her supporters are imagining she is anyone different than she has ever been. If you want to support her now, the most sensible way to look at it is, "Sure, she's crazy, but so is the Democrat. We don't care. We want something new." But there's no denying that she is totally out of her mind. That would be counterproductive.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane
I do NOT want to support her now. I HAVE to support her now. It told you and everyone else before, that I voted for Castle.And I don't have to comment on her sanity, or her lack. The Dems will be doing that for us.
Just like 2008. I wanted to support Sarah Palin. I had to support John McCain. Catching on yet?
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 15, 2010 05:54 AM (R2fpr)
Posted by: CAC at September 15, 2010 05:54 AM (lV4Fs)
Posted by: GOP Chances in Deleware at September 15, 2010 05:54 AM (/qo5z)
Very true, and they should have seen her coming before the last minute endorsements from talk radio and its favorites for 2012. It happens at times. The Democrats have Alvin Greene.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 15, 2010 05:55 AM (mHQ7T)
Posted by: Sarah at September 15, 2010 05:58 AM (Awunm)
No, they are over the moon right now. Visit their usual forums.
“Please, God. Yes” - JeremiahTheMessiah
“Thank You Delaware Republicans!
Thank you Sarah! Thank You O’Donnell supporters. I kid you not I literally just walked out of my house and yelled thank you Jesus! Not even playing I swear I did. I live in the middle of nowhere and no one heard me but still.” - hoosierdemProve them wrong. Give them a good fight.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 15, 2010 05:59 AM (mHQ7T)
I'm a bit more concerned about Castle's refusal to endorse the winner and the NRSC refusing to help a legally nominated Republican candidate for the U.S. Senate. The decision of who was the best candidate for the seat has been made by the Republican voters of "The First State" and your opinions of her efficacy really don't matter.
Posted by: MCPO Airdale at September 15, 2010 06:00 AM (G5qLy)
Well, yeah. You live in DE, so you have to vote for her this fall. I'm in NYC, so I will campaign for Michael Grimm and write off the Governor's race but hold my nose and vote for Paladino.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 15, 2010 06:02 AM (mHQ7T)
Hubris ----> Nemesis
Posted by: The Democrats at September 15, 2010 06:03 AM (CIWMJ)
You must have missed the thousand or so times she told Castle and the NRSC to go fuck themselves during the primary and accused them of hiding in her bushes and conspiring against her.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 15, 2010 06:04 AM (mHQ7T)
What the hell? The NRSC says it will NOT support Christine O'Donnell, that the $ would be better spent somewhere else, and that they will leave it up to others to support her.
Then guess what? The Republicans deserve to stay the minority party in the Senate.
There's been O So Much wailing and gnashing of teeth over "We MUST win Delaware, we must I say!" just to suddenly refuse to support the candidate the NRSC doesn't want turns all of that moaning into a Big Fat Lie. Evidently it was only important for them to win with their man so we can have another Graham burrowed into the Senate like a tick. (Sorry, ticks.)
Oh dear, NRSC, you now have to work for a seat you thought was in the bag, and pay more than you hoped, too. By all means, produce tears for my stretch of water flowing to the sea.
The reason you spend the money on O'Donnell instead of spreading it to the other close races is because we MUST have this state. Remember? So what if we lose? We'll definitely lose if we don't try.
The exact same people who were telling the Tea Party types how stupid they were for not supporting the winner of this outcome are now not supporting the winner. Shock and aha.
But then, you know the REAL reason why they don't want to support her: because, should she actually win, way too many of these fabulous Republican intellectuals saying "She can't win" will look like complete idiots. Personally, I think it's too late, but they're scared $hitless about it. So much for their level-headed pragmatism.
If the Republican Party doesn't pull its head out, stop pouting, and start fighting, then screw them, hard.
Posted by: BB at September 15, 2010 06:04 AM (qF8q3)
Well, yeah. You live in DE, so you have to vote for her this fall. I'm in NYC, so I will campaign for Michael Grimm and write off the Governor's race but hold my nose and vote for Paladino.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane
Ouch. You have my condolences. CAC has much the same problem, in CA. Though he has the prospect of bumping off Babs.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 15, 2010 06:06 AM (R2fpr)
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 15, 2010 06:08 AM (EHI/u)
I didn't miss anything. I also didn't miss the part where the NRSC threw their support behind Castle in the primary rather than awaiting the will of the voters in the primary.
Posted by: MCPO Airdale at September 15, 2010 06:08 AM (G5qLy)
No, they are over the moon right now. Visit their usual forums.
Pish, that's always their standard reaction when the farther-right candidate wins. Those dummies seem to think that helps them but it's the usual spin.
Posted by: BB at September 15, 2010 06:11 AM (qF8q3)
It's time for a MONEY BOMB for O'Donnell and Angle!!
Make it GO VIRAL!
We CAN take the Senate if we really want to.
Posted by: Hangtown Bob at September 15, 2010 06:11 AM (FqOXH)
But then, you know the REAL reason why they don't want to support her: because, should she actually win, way too many of these fabulous Republican intellectuals saying "She can't win" will look like complete idiots.
Okay I'm not an NRSC beltway insider or anything but the reason why I didn't want to support her is because, despite her conservative credentials, she is an unelectable nut. I wasn't going to send money to the NRSC or a Delaware Senate race candidate anyway (I'm in Missouri, we have our own Senate race) but I'm sure as hell not going to do it now because it would be money wasted. The reason I would have rather seen Castle win is because I want Sessions as chair of Judiciary and Coburn & DeMint as committee chairs, not because I have some love of Castle.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2010 06:14 AM (RY/Dc)
I wasn't going to send money to the NRSC or a Delaware Senate race candidate anyway (I'm in Missouri, we have our own Senate race) but I'm sure as hell not going to do it now because it would be money wasted.
Ah, the warm blankey feel of a self-fulfilling prophecy...
Posted by: BB at September 15, 2010 06:21 AM (qF8q3)
Posted by: The Great and all Poweful Oz (of the GOP) at September 15, 2010 09:43 AM (lV4Fs)
Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas any more.
Posted by: GOP Minion at September 15, 2010 06:23 AM (IzuWw)
Grimm has a good chance to win, and this should be a fun race to watch. His opponent Mike McMahon was elected last term and given a pass by Pelosi to vote no on controversial legislation. His district trends Republican and had Fossella for years, but right before the election, a drunk driving arrest revealed an illegitimate child he'd fathered. So, he dropped out and McMahon ran uncontested. The district is Staten Island, Bayridge, etc. Lot of firefighters and cops who lost family members during 911 and oppose the mosque, not to mention the whole Obama agenda. They just need a little nudge to the polls.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 15, 2010 06:24 AM (mHQ7T)
Can you elaborate? Does she want creationism taught in schools? Abortions outlawed?
She wants to reduce the deficit I thought. That's pretty crazy!
Posted by: ingenus at September 15, 2010 06:25 AM (+sBB4)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 15, 2010 06:33 AM (mHQ7T)
But that is the hands-off libertarian approach True Conservatives want from their government. So, sell that message.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 15, 2010 06:37 AM (mHQ7T)
Posted by: Luca Brasi at September 15, 2010 06:39 AM (YmPwQ)
Here I guess is the part that my engineer brain (Rooted in reality) can't understand. Total donk votes minus total O'Donnel votes is 4,160 donk lead but the total voter repub lead is 22,861. To me that looks real good. Not too many Castle voters actually vote for a republican and not a rino and it's a win. Of course there will be different voter turnout in NOvember but will the donks get more than 160% of the primary voters out? I don't think so. Will the republicans get the same amount out in the primary as NOvember maybe not. To me it looks real good for a pickup.
I just do not understand why the repub leadership would be so childish. No money form the RNSC? Fuck them, no money from me. I Have already put money here: christine2010.com.
Last night they were 37% to $50,000 now she is 73% to $200,000. Five minutes later they are 74% of goal.
Exit question, does the republican leadership think O'Donnel will be friendly when she gets there in WDC? I know I would tell them to suck a wet shiny turd out of my asshole.
Posted by: jukin at September 15, 2010 06:48 AM (vkkNZ)
OK Tattoo, you've convinced me. I'm changing my support to Castle.
Oh shit wait!
Bitch bitch, moan moan, sour grapes. Bush stole your election. MOVE ON.
Posted by: Entropy at September 15, 2010 06:49 AM (IsLT6)
Posted by: Alec Baldwin at September 15, 2010 06:52 AM (81mjT)
Posted by: CAC at September 15, 2010 06:53 AM (lV4Fs)
They still don't "get" the anger that's out there in the street at the moment. The public is way ahead of the perception curve than D.C. politicians in understanding how badly screwed this country is.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 15, 2010 06:54 AM (gGs9u)
I think O'Donnell is a crap sandwich, but seriously, any conservative who still was considering donating to the NSRC anytime in the last 5 years is an idiot.
Donate directly to good candidates in winnable races wehre the money makes a differnce. If you feel that O'Donnell is in that category, knock yourself out.
Posted by: Emperor of icecream at September 15, 2010 06:56 AM (epBek)
Well, yeah...
Posted by: Charles Krauthammer at September 15, 2010 06:57 AM (mEyVv)
Posted by: John Galt at September 15, 2010 06:57 AM (F/4zf)
Castle, meanwhile, apparently is nursing a sore head. In view of his political leanings, and the umph, cleanliness and civility of his campaign against O'Donnell, do not be astonished if he pulls a Scozzafava and endorses Coons.
Posted by: Minnie Rodent at September 15, 2010 07:00 AM (PZLW0)
I will also be pissed if the candidates in the close races in Washington, California, Nevada, etc., don't pull it out because conservatives spent their money and time 'sending a message' in Delaware. Be smart, people. I'm not saying don't donate or help O'Donnell. I'm saying that supporting conservative candidates who are close to taking down Democrats is probably more important that giving a big FU to Charles Krauthammer.
Booting Harry Reid or Barbara Boxer will do much more for the country than getting O'Donnell to within 10 points.
Posted by: Adam Greenwood at September 15, 2010 07:06 AM (epBek)
My first semi-coherent thought this morning was: I sure hope Ace put up another Delaware thread.
It just occured to me.
Excellence in Broadcasting in T-52 minutes.
Posted by: Entropy at September 15, 2010 07:11 AM (IsLT6)
Posted by: SDN at September 15, 2010 07:13 AM (H3XSa)
But that is the hands-off libertarian approach True Conservatives want from their government. So, sell that message.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 15, 2010 10:37 AM (mHQ7T)
Brilliant. I'm pretty lying to protect Anne Frank and her family would have been exactly the option God "provided" to do the right thing. I love the people who want to wait for God's help when they should be helping themselves and each other. God gave you a brain; that IS your help, so use it.
In any event, I guess O'Donnell deserves credit for consistency. Her view on helping the Jews during the Holocaust are as practical as all her other views.
Posted by: rob at September 15, 2010 07:14 AM (fKPuo)
There's been O So Much wailing and gnashing of teeth over "We MUST win Delaware, we must I say!" just to suddenly refuse to support the candidate the NRSC doesn't want turns all of that moaning into a Big Fat Lie.
WE FUCKING WARNED YOU she was unelectable. Damn near every single post in favor of Crazy Christine was immediately followed "even though I know she probly can't win". DON'T YOU DARE try and blame us now when she actually does go down in flames.
Posted by: Paul at September 15, 2010 07:16 AM (DsHk0)
Worst case scenario: She capsizes Guam.
Seriously, since when is intelligence a requirement for a senate candidacy?
She's running to replace Joe Biden.
Retards need representin' too.
Posted by: Entropy at September 15, 2010 07:17 AM (IsLT6)
WE FUCKING WARNED YOU she was unelectable. Damn near every single post in favor of Crazy Christine was immediately followed "even though I know she probly can't win". DON'T YOU DARE try and blame us now when she actually does go down in flames.
John. McCain.
Posted by: Entropy at September 15, 2010 07:19 AM (IsLT6)
You mean because the NRSC is not going to support O'Donnell? Fuckers.
Posted by: kansas at September 15, 2010 07:22 AM (mka2b)
I'll take the wacko, christianist conservative over any liberal/progressive every day of the week, and suspect a sizable number of DE voters will as well. You know why? Cuz' the wacko, christianist conservative has no chance of imposing her wacko christianist views on the rest of us in the form of new laws of the land, but she will be a reliable vote against the nasty crap those liberal/progressive fucktards will try to do (like, i don't know, Obamacare).
So there.
Posted by: steve at September 15, 2010 07:24 AM (xDQNc)
I've been pissed off at Cornyn since his vote for Timmy The Tax Cheater to lead the IRS. Now this shameful act ON THE VERY NIGHT within 5 minutes of her victory, PUBLICLY cutting her off at the knees is beyond classless. I hope he gets primaried so I can work day and night for his defeat.
Hey Cornyn, you fuckity fuck fuck fuck! Why couldn't you just shut up for ONE FUCKING DAY before being an asshole?????
Posted by: Schwalbe at September 15, 2010 07:25 AM (UU0OF)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 15, 2010 10:33 AM (mHQ7T)
What's she going to do? Pry my penis from my warm sticky hands?
Posted by: schizoid at September 15, 2010 07:25 AM (E2p+f)
They still don't "get" the anger that's out there in the street at the moment. The public is way ahead of the perception curve than D.C. politicians in understanding how badly screwed this country is.
If you live in non-political-blog land the anger is burning holes in pages. Almost every discussion, no matter how innocuous, eventually leads to a flame out directed at the government.
America HATES all career politicians, Amen The End.
As for the O'Donnell win, what I'm reading and seeing is a Medea (the Greek Tragedy, Not the TV Star) like "Screw you... I'll show you what losing what you love is all about" glee.
The biggest message I'm seeing is that people hate the GOP almost as much as the DNC. Surpise Surprise.
Posted by: EZB at September 15, 2010 07:25 AM (Ty06w)
a) The GOP voters of Delaware appear to have had little doubt that they wanted to keep Castle out of the Senate. Maybe they've even surprised themselves. How many were voting for O'Donnell and how many were just voting *against* Castle and would have voted for scabies over Soros' Best Buddy The Carbon Taxer?
No matter. The GOP has their candidate and they ought to back her. It's really hard to argue that Christine O'Donnell's unqualified to be a Senator when the electorate put Barack Obama in the White House.
b) What did Palin and DeMint know that the press and just about everyone else missed? Given how the numbers came out it's pretty clear that their late endorsement had minimal effect.
Much as I respect Krauthammer it's clear that Palin and DeMint knew something he didn't. They saw a bandwagon that was already rolling and decided it would be better to be on board than let it oompah away without them.
c) On the other hand, Palin's endorsement of Kelly Ayotte may in fact have kept her in front.
Posted by: JEM at September 15, 2010 07:34 AM (o+SC1)
I used to joke that the only purpose of the GOP was to keep conservatives from getting elected.
The GOP establishment are the kind of men who would throw their wives and daughters to rabid wolves to buy time to sneak ou the back door. Its all about them and nothing about conservatism.
That is the vibe I keep getting.
Yet I'm supposed to give them money? Help elect them? Please--- I could go to an S&M whipping den for the same feeling, less cost and no loss of rights.
Posted by: EZB at September 15, 2010 07:35 AM (Ty06w)
PPP: Castle primary voters supports Coons over O'Donnell 44-28 in general election
That will doom her.
I wonder where Paul and Tattoo breaks on this. Such an enigma.
You know, I've always admired corrupt bankers and this Kirk guy is kind of a jackass.
Oh, whatever shall I do in IL?
Best of luck to your Kirk folks. It's all on you. I do hope you learn your lesson if he loses...
Posted by: Entropy at September 15, 2010 07:38 AM (IsLT6)
"If you live in non-political-blog land the anger is burning holes in pages. Almost every discussion, no matter how innocuous, eventually leads to a flame out directed at the government"
Not in my part of the country. Or maybe its just me--I'm not someone who looks like he's pissed off and is wanting people to tell him how angry they are.
Posted by: Emperor of icecream at September 15, 2010 07:40 AM (epBek)
"On the other hand, Palin's endorsement of Kelly Ayotte may in fact have kept her in front. "
Yes. Ovide is more conservative and a better candidate but he's not a woman and he's less likely to suck up to Mama Grizzly, so Ayotte is who we get.
Posted by: Emperor of icecream at September 15, 2010 07:46 AM (epBek)
Really, I kinda wanted them chained up in the coatroom so they could be let out onto the floor for those votes where they might do more good than harm, but somehow our system doesn't seem to provide for that.
To all the Castle and O'Donnell folks, I'd just say this: LOOK AT THE FRICKIN' NUMBERS. The GOP voters of Delaware wanted to be rid of Mike Castle.
They were very, very clear about that.
Christine O'Donnell could have been a mailbox. She could have been a cream cheese. She could have been Meghan McCain's tattoo guy. And whatever line on the ballot that said something other than 'Mike Castle' would have won.
A worthwhile dose of Rino-Lax? A moment of insanity? A party coalescing around the charismatic devil they don't know in preference to the devil they know all too well?
Posted by: JEM at September 15, 2010 07:49 AM (o+SC1)
Not in my part of the country.
Cisco Cotto on WLS890 in Chicago is getting lit the fuck up for saying he doubts she'll win.
Saying maybe he needs to stop discussing it because the emails and the phone calls and his facebook are all getting hammered and quite angry.
But, that's a bunch of damn backwoods redneck cousin humpin bible thumpin hillbilly Chicagoans. I don't know how it plays in civilized parts of the country where they actually have asian restaurants and toll roads.
Posted by: Entropy at September 15, 2010 07:52 AM (IsLT6)
And a lot of these pissed off Chicagoans for O'Donnell are telling him they are independants.
I think that bodes well for Kirk. And also, Mitt Romney.
Posted by: Entropy at September 15, 2010 07:58 AM (IsLT6)
I mean, it's an original colony and all, but it's barely an ear-piercing stall in the Mall of America. You need a goddamn electron microscope to find the thing on a globe.
So, is it too late to register for the general election there?
Don't give O'Donnell money. Move to Delaware. Just go. I'm sure between all the talk audiences and reichwing-blog readers there's forty thousand folks who could just relocate for a little while.
And that really IS all it would take.
Posted by: JEM at September 15, 2010 08:04 AM (o+SC1)
Posted by: Tennessee Tea at September 15, 2010 08:12 AM (ctux1)
2010 is prepping the battlefield for 2012. Control of the Senate between then and now matters little with Hussein in the White House. A 51 seat majority in the Senate might be nice. It might make you feel a little safer on Nov 3.
Then again the broader view might be to gain as many seat as you can with people committed to those issues which concern and unite the greatest majority of voters. Those issues are fiscal discipline and the role/attitude of those in government. Those issues bring in those indies that you must have in order to win the presidency. The downside of course is that you lose in a place like DE. Then again I can live with that. Obama isn't going to get anything through the Senate whether the Republicans have 49 seats or 51 as the filibuster isn't going anywhere. A Republican Party united behind fiscal discipline also helps in House races.
Continuing to populate the GOP with people like Snowe, Collins and Castle in this particular environment destroys the idea that Republicans will remain committed to spending especially in light of the narrative that exists post Bush. That makes winning the presidency much harder in 2012.
Posted by: Glib Tunafish at September 15, 2010 08:18 AM (UpovW)
Posted by: Glib Tunafish at September 15, 2010 08:28 AM (UpovW)
Okay I'm not an NRSC beltway insider or anything but the reason why I didn't want to support her is because, despite her conservative credentials, she is an unelectable nut.
-Chemjeff
OK thank you for making this interesting point. I have not heard anyone make this point. Now that you've labelled her a nut, I think you've given me new insight into the parameters of this interesting discussion and have changed the very nature of the debate.
May I order a pair of your replica Ugg boots?
Posted by: sartana at September 15, 2010 08:30 AM (2stAV)
No, actually, you guys should MOVE ON. Now you're running in a general against the Democrats, and Christine O'Donnell is your spokeswoman for the tea party movement. Get to know her better. Someone said she is conservative but won't make too much hay about social issues. I'm saying that has been the extent of her political career and media consulting experience to date. What the fuck offends you so much about reading HER FUCKING WORDS?
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 15, 2010 09:02 AM (mHQ7T)
Well, that's all on you, tough guy. In DE where 55% of the state thinks Obama is doing a great job, maybe a majority of Castle primary supporters aren't too freaked out by a moderate Democrat. And right now, Mark Kirk is polling at a 53% likelihood of winning according to Nate Silver. So, IL Republicans chose wisely, I would say.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 15, 2010 09:11 AM (mHQ7T)
Scozzafava endorsed the Dem, and Murk threatened a third party run. Castle is doing neither of these things, so drop it. Start convincing everyone how swell O'Donnell is, because the primary's over and Castle is retired after 12 straight wins in DE.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 15, 2010 09:14 AM (mHQ7T)
Scozzafava endorsed the Dem, and Murk threatened a third party run. Castle is doing neither of these things, so drop it. Start convincing everyone how swell O'Donnell is, because the primary's over and Castle is retired after 12 straight wins in DE.
There will be other decisions to make in regards to Republicans like Castle. I would have supported Castle had he won. I think O'Donnell would have as well. Interesting that the only people that think they don't need to take one for the team are moderates like Scozzafava, Murkowski and now Castle. That should tell you something about what kind of people they happen to be.Since O'Donnell's past and character seem to be so important right now maybe you should think about that?
Posted by: Glib Tunafish at September 15, 2010 09:32 AM (UpovW)
But.
It could happen.
The flying monkeys from the wizard of oz could parachute out a burning asteroid and hand her the keys to the senate... It could happen.
Posted by: Boxy Brown at September 15, 2010 10:36 AM (sl+nN)
Congratulations on getting your wish. [Just don't wish to live in 'interesting times', that might not work out too well for you either.]
Posted by: andycanuck at September 15, 2010 11:05 AM (3phFo)
Posted by: quell at September 15, 2010 11:27 AM (Xx5+J)
Posted by: Entrepreneur Ideas at September 15, 2010 11:28 AM (FauNi)
Posted by: M. Simon at September 15, 2010 11:50 AM (dEbGY)
Shofwalsfwaszza, Orange Tan and Specter vouch for this statement. Because if there's one thing moderate republicans can be counted on, it's losing gracefully.
Posted by: Johnny at September 15, 2010 12:00 PM (aB5St)
Posted by: quell at September 15, 2010 12:18 PM (Xx5+J)
Why are so many having such difficulty with this concept? She CANNOT win in Delaware. No truly conservative Republican can. It's moot to argue O'Donnell's conservative credentials when she will never win the office she can use them in.
Posted by: Chris R at September 15, 2010 02:28 PM (AO4qz)
Posted by: Chris R at September 15, 2010 02:30 PM (AO4qz)
Advertise all of the awful things in ObamaCare, including the up-and-coming 3.8% sales tax on the sale of ones home, and fully commit to its repeal.
She really doesn't have to do anything else.
Posted by: MorowbieJukes at September 16, 2010 06:55 AM (TuXXf)
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