Dear lord are you telling me that of the thousands of general in our military that only two of them are competent?

Why don't we just declare Petraeus Field Marshall and get it over with. Doesn't the man have enough on his plate?

There is no one, not one person who can take McChrystal's job other than Petraeus?

Frankenberry better not be allowed to stay.

Jeff B.,

  Obama didn't make the decision. That little peckerhead could screw up a wet dream. Someone else made the decision he took credit....

How is this surprising to anyone? He's spent two hours on the war so far, you think he's going to spend more than two hours deciding his fate?

Or, what? You really believe everything you learn from tv and movies?

Great.  So this is how zero fucks Petraeus.  He won't give him the needed resources to win either.  Then he can scapegoat Petraeus for the loss and cockblock the rumored Petraeus presidential run but saying he was the ulitmate loser in afghanistan. 

God, please let Petraues pull a rabbit out of his ass and win this handily, and quickly.  Not that She listens to me, but its worth a try.

You can't fire him and you can't keep him.

Posted by: Bomber at June 23, 2010 01:33 PM

Muthafuka what?

Obama's General gets dumped....and Bush's General has to take his place.

Can Bush return as CIC?

Now that's outsourcing I could love!

General P. will again be the hero. This does not hurt his POTUS prospects if he pulls Obama's racist ass out of the fire. It makes Obama look bad. McCrystal has hurt the Man-Child very seriouslly and he may not recover even after all the spin!!!!

17.this is reminiscent of the Carter years.

I asked my father about that last night, since i was in grammar school and not sure if I remembered it correctly.  He said no, this is way worse.  It was only the economy under Carter, while this marxist is trying to destroy our entire way of life.

Depends on how big the war gets.

There is a five-star rank, General of the Army, that can be awarded by Congress during wartime under very limited circumstances.

I haz 5 stars!

I think that Obama handled this as well as he could have, actually. 

I disagree wholeheartedly.  I think it would have been much better if McChrystal stayed and Obama resigned.  Oh well, can't have everything I guess.

No, no matter who they put in charge of Afghanistan it won't make a bit of difference, it's a no win scenario at the moment.  No amount of military force is going to make the slightest difference.

Our enemies understand all to well that Obama administration lacks the intestinal fortitude to see this through, he's already pretty much told them in no uncertain terms that were pulling out by a certain date, maybe sooner if they can make it uncomfortable enough for the administration.

Add that to the fact that the administration has made it pretty clear that once we do pull out the current Afghan government will get lip service but probably little to nothing else in the way of support, and you've got a no win proposition.

The people on the street aren't going to stick their necks out because they have a pretty good idea that were going to be gone in a year or two and the Taliban will be back.  So do most of the people in the current Afghan government.  Their just going through the motions and trying to position themselves so when the Taliban do come back they won't be getting their heads chopped off.

Can't say as I can blame them too much for that.  Nope, the retarded way in which this entire affair has been handled should amount to an impeachable offense, sadly however that will never happen.

Nope, we already surrendered in Afghanistan, and for some inexplicable reason were still putting troops in harms way over there for no damn purpose whatsoever. 

Sad, but true.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2010 01:38 PM (UOM4

Give him a break.  That last putt in the Oval Office is good for all of us, since it relaxes The One and allows him to concentrate his stupendously massive intellect on America's problems.

44.  This was also a shot at Hillary - she backed McChrystal all the way

And now we have the issue for Hillary to resign in "principle" over.  zero refusing to support our troops. 

There is a five-star rank, General of the Army, that can be awarded by Congress during wartime under very limited circumstances.

I haz 5 stars!

Posted by: Sheriff Joe F'n Biden

Bite you.

For those of us old enough to remember, this is reminiscent of the Carter years.  Everywhere you looked, another catastrophe.

Indeed. Echoes of Stansfield Turner's CIA.

Is this dickweed ever on time?  Arrogant bastard.

Jane, it's not  Bambi's fault. TOTUS has demands that must be met before he is willing to perform.  You know, the dressing room with Evian chilled to 40 degrees, the floral arrangements comprised only of pink lillies and roses, the specific crudites and tapas appetizers on the buffet, the post speech Christal, the Wedgewood china, etc.  TOTUS makes Barbra Streisand look like a piker.

Lose-Lose, all the way around.  Biggest loss for Obama, since McChrystal was his hand-picked choice. 

I hope you're wrong. It could also signal the first time Obama has ever rethought a decision.

And Obama has no idea what to do.

So he does the smart thing and picks Petreaus.

If Obama is on the same side as America, then I'm on the same side as Obama. Here's (again) hoping that's the case.

And now we have the issue for Hillary to resign in "principle" over.  zero refusing to support our troops. 

Staw Poll / Betting Pool: Hillary mounts a primary challenge to Barky in 2012, just as Ted Kennedy did to Jimmuh in 1980? The parallels grow.

Posted by: Sheriff Joe F'n Biden at June 23, 2010 01:44 PM (CfmlF)

Don't forget the M&Ms.  But only red and green ones.

Forget Carter, this is the McGovern presidency that never was

Ahem!

Posted by: Cro at June 23, 2010 01:47 PM (FeD2t)

Rush just brought up then Senator Obama's 7 minute dressing down of Petraeus over the surge in Iraq.

Hillary mounts a primary challenge to Barky in 2012

Of course she is going to challenge him in the primary.  And after that poll came out yesterday saying people think she is more qualified than chocolate jesus, they may have just handed the nomination to her on a silver platter.

 I think Petraeus will retire and give some BS excuse as health or spend more time with his family

His fainting at the Senate Armed Forces Committe sure sets the table for that scenario.

Dear lord are you telling me that of the thousands hundreds of general in our military that only two of them are competent?

FIFY

I asked my father about that last night, since i was in grammar school and not sure if I remembered it correctly.  He said no, this is way worse.  It was only the economy under Carter, while this marxist is trying to destroy our entire way of life.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at June 23, 2010 01:39 PM (cniXs)

Ask your Dad about the Iran hostage crisis and the public disclosure of Stealth technology.  He might have forgotten how dedicated Carter was to reducing America's military and geopolitical power.

Posted by: Monty

This depends entirely upon whether the issue at hand is a military that collectively forgot the oath that it took. Unless someone can prove that, then this is a stupid stunt. MacArthur was openly advocating a strategy that would involve the US with a direct war with mainland China. Lincoln was shuffling commanders in a deperate attempt to get the army of the Potomac moving and persevering. If we have an institution today that is in need of shock therapy, it's our intelligence agencies. And we know that this will not happen.

Maybe Jindal should do a skit mocking the One.  Given that he cares only about himself, it might cause some movement.  Oh oh oh, he called me disengaged, he has to go (when's my tee time?).

Obama, though, is facing a dillemma of his own making: having chosen McChrystal himself as the best man for the job, and now being forced to cashier his own first choice, whom else is there? It's clear to me that Obama neither understands nor is interested by military affairs -- his disengagement is so plain as to be unmistakable

I get the impression that Obama is disengaged from all the responsibilites and work that comes with the job of being president.  He's more in it for the "precedence", power and perks.

Posted by: Rob at June 23, 2010 01:53 PM (GvYeG)

Wee Wee also directed that Petraeus play goalie for the US team's next game in the World Cup.  He said it was a jobs initiative.

Posted by: Jenn at June 23, 2010 01:51 PM (WNcvq)

If this had been his first offense, Obama might have been able to justify keeping him.  But McChrystal gave that public speech in London that implicitly criticized Obama for an unnecessary policy review and that trashed Joe Biden's proposed "Counter-Terrorism-Plus" strategy.  Plus, as Victor Davis Hanson says, if you don't understand the threat posed by Rolling Stone, how can you understand the Taliban?

 Man I really really really really hate to say this, but I think they must have hired a Bush speech writer cause its pretty on point, not that he believes anything he is saying.  I may have to go vomit now that I said that.  I usually flip the channel when this bastard is on.

Heh! Heh!  My code name in the administration is "The  Secret Weapon".

125.  Stuiec

Tell me, how you could possibly construe that my father liked carter by my comments?  I didn't get conservative by accident, i remember all the nasty comments my parents made about bunny boy.  I don't remember having the feeling of impending doom then like i do now.  THAT was the reason for my question.

Think McChrystal has enough supporters to stage a coup d'etat??

..I keed, Ace..I keed

I'm sure the leftists will be flummoxed, but the Office of the President is due a certain respect and I think that the President had no other reasonable option in this case. I'm satisfied with President Obama's decision in this case.

Mocking the President is our job. It's not important enough for a good general staff officer to even contemplate, especially during wartime. Best to leave it to us, the professional idiots, rather than spend valuable time being a clumsy and inexperienced dolt.  Mocking and ridicule takes practice.

The douchenozzles on A MessNBC are going on about how Obama was a genius to tap Patreus

Geez, I hate these bastards!

"Bush+Patreaus=BAD IDEA"

"Bambi+Petreaus=GENIUS!"

Posted by: Mal at June 23, 2010 01:41 PM (Z+qzA)

I don't know if that dick was even this far left. Maybe an Angela Davis presidency

I think McCrystal is not so much the precedent's man as we have been led to believe (I am wondering -- who in the military was McC the most close too?), and yes, I'm sure precedent has in the back of his mind that he will ruin Petraeus politically with this move (I don't care how much of a mastermind the general is -- Astan is a mess, was a mess, will be a mess; it's the nature of the beast) -- and if the precedent is playing political games here, well...).

That said: precedent better be careful with this ploy.  The troops by and large adore Petraeus (McC wasn't at all hated by any means -- he has a loyal following with the troops and many will see this as him being set up; loyalty and regard for a commander dies hard...I present Shinseki as an example -- talk about heartache and denial that lasted a fair long time).  If the precedent tries to stab Petraeus in the back, well, it will not be a popular thing with the troops (who are already smarting and chaffing a fair bit).

What did you expect him to say?

This war is lost!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2010 01:49 PM (UOM4

NOW he tells us!  Why didn't he give us that advice BEFORE the election?

Posted by: runningrn at June 23, 2010 01:52 PM

Exhasustion and sleep deprivation are what I think..

..been there..never want to do it again

142 Petraeus should bring in Mattis as a deputy at CentCom

Mattis is a weasel.  He is responsible for the haditha prosecutions, which is probably why he was passed over for commandant.

71 Bohemond

Iran, all the Trashcanistans (including Pakistan) and the Horn of Africa are in the Centcom AO as well. There is no way he can do both of these jobs.

Mattis is a weasel.  He is responsible for the haditha prosecutions, which is probably why he was passed over for commandant.

i thought he was passed over because he said killing people is fun on the record.

Posted by: joncelli at June 23, 2010 02:01 PM (RD7QR)

That's what Obama tells everytime he opens his mouth...

McChrystal is now free to talk and after a $5 mil book deal, he will. Then we will get the 321st account of obama's inability to lead anything with the gang that can't shoot or fight and the main stream media will promptly ignore this too.

The voters won't. What a clown.

Tell me, how you could possibly construe that my father liked carter by my comments?  I didn't get conservative by accident, i remember all the nasty comments my parents made about bunny boy.  I don't remember having the feeling of impending doom then like i do now.  THAT was the reason for my question.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at June 23, 2010 01:56 PM (cniXs)

"It was only the economy under Carter, while this marxist is trying to destroy our entire way of life."

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at June 23, 2010 01:39 PM (cniXs)

What's A-fib? Heart condition

Atrial Fibrilation is a cardiac arrythmia.  The upper chambers of the heart don't beat properly.  The danger of this is that blood can form clots that get stuck in the atrial appendages (the "cockles") of your heart which can potentially cause a stroke.  Perhaps Petraeus was just tired and deyhdrated (then I'd also be concerned about deep vein thrombosis--blood clots in the legs, especially if he had been on a long flight and didn't walk around).  These can result in a clot traveling to the lungs (pulmonary embolism) or to the head (causing a stroke if in the head).  He just didn't look right. 

I can't believe that McCrystal caused all of this over the chance to take a couple of shots at Joe "BFD" Biden, Jim Jones and Richard Holborke.

It sounds like you're accepting the mainstream reportings' false premise of attributing remarks made by McChrystal's staff over drinks to McChrystal himself.  I agree even allowing that access to Rolling Stone shows poor judgement, but we should stick to the facts. 

I still think the comments McChrystal personally made are not as bad as is being reported.  And while they were in themselves somewhat beyond the normal bounds, they may have been a failed attempt to answer the more subtle and effective back-stabbing Ambassador Eikenberry gave McChrystal.  McChrystal is the guy that Obama wouldn't meet with for any length of time, and he apparently has no backers in the White House except possibly, weakly, Hillary Clinton.  With Biden, Eikenberry and others publically trashing McChrystal's plan and not getting slapped down by Obama, and no line to Obama himself, McChrystal taking his own case to the public may have seemed like a worthwhile gamble.  (Which, if I'm not making this more complicated than it really is, still shows poor judgement in execution, i.e, Rolling Stone, I admit.)

Atrial Fibrilation is a cardiac arrythmia.

RN, could it have anything to do with that gunshot wound he suffered?  The one that Frist worked on?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at June 23, 2010 02:08 PM (5aa4z)

Hmm, remember lefty outcry over Acid Rain?  What about this?  Why aren't envrionmentalists screaming over the lack of containment caused by Obama's policies?  Crickets.

85  I think the big difference is that Lincoln gave McClellan a pretty loose tether all things considered (at least compared to this one); the one prerequiste was that his generals needed to win the war.  All things considered, Lincoln was suprisingly patient and lenient with McClellan.

This dust up over a damn magazine article was ridiculous -- I read it.  No, it wasn't a good thing -- but in light of everything else the precedent's response was remarkably petty. 

RN, could it have anything to do with that gunshot wound he suffered?  The one that Frist worked on?

I'm not sure.  I know he got shot in the chest, and if he got pericarditis (inflammation in the sac that surrounds the heart) from the trauma, I suppose it's possible.

Posted by: lions at June 23, 2010 02:10 PM (P+/LF)

It's going to be interesting when we finally reach the point of no return with Pakistan, where they either choose to fight radical Islam or submit fully to it.

Where can I get my Obama/Bite Me bumper sticker?

Did Barry head out for a round of golf after the announcement?

I'm thinking not.  He had to get showered, shampooed and shined (ooh, should I ban myself for that one?) for this evening.  It's Waygu Wednesday, remember?

While I despise the Kenyan cock-sucker, McChrystal was completely out of line and should have been fired if he didn't resign.

I think all protocol and decorum in these matters need to be put into context. The jug-eared idiot is  doing things half-assedly in Afghanistan.

The ROE are getting our guys killed, and there is no stated goal. The idiot DID NOT give McChrystal the number of troops he daid he needed. People whom I know who are in the know with the military brass say they are totally fucking frustrated with the Idiot-in-Chief.

The Idiot-in-Chief has met face to face with his commander in Afghanistan for a total of 20 fucking minutes in over a fucking year

This idiot is in way over his head..so what can they do??. None of them is going to try to mount a coup..obviously..but McChrystal is no idiot and knew what the consequences would be..

McChrystal did what he had to do to bring attention. He fell on the sword. He should be commended.

Posted by: franksalterego at June 23, 2010 02:11 PM (+6fgE)

The Onion has already joined The Daily Show as fake news that outperforms the "real news" in reporting and analysis.  I think Cracked is right on their heels.

He's moved fast but he ain't no Eisenhower....Ike was a fast mover!

I LIKE IKE!!11!!

Statement by Gen. Stanley McChrystal http://bit.ly/cKdvaq

This morning the President accepted my resignation as Commander of U.S. and NATO Coalition Forces in Afghanistan. I strongly support the President's strategy in Afghanistan and am deeply committed to our coalition forces, our partner nations, and the Afghan people. It was out of respect for this commitment - and a desire to see the mission succeed - that I tendered my resignation.

It has been my privilege and honor to lead our nation's finest.

OT--anyone in New York feel an earthquake about five minutes ago?

Yes (Adirondacks). It just showed up on the USGS website as a deep 5.5 quake centered north of Ottawa.

220 Are we so sure he voted for Obama?  Or was that a cover comment?  I still don't believe this interview was an accidental running of the mouth, and the idiots at RS may have done something that they did not intend to do.

As I previously stated: who in the military is McC most close to?

Pissing off your military beyond all hope of redemption is never a wise move.

Posted by: always right at June 23, 2010 02:18 PM (UzjcV)

Lisa Frank!! She's already got the unicorns and rainbows she'll need to make the Taliban feel all good and peace-happy!

Ray Odierno.  Not Mattis.

'Nuff said.

Posted by: societyis2blame at June 23, 2010 02:19 PM (7ZyYf)

It would be a bold move to replace Eikenberry with McChrystal.  The Afghan leadership would love it and it would help align US foreign policy with military strategy.

Posted by: Tami at June 23, 2010 02:26 PM (VuLos)

He is still in the military for now but this is a career ender so he will be out soon. I don't think he's the type of guy to sit at a desk in washington with a war going on.

I would hope Petraeus response to we need you to go to A-stan would have been, really... lets make sure I am clear on a couple of things first... ROE.... troops levels.... WH interference in a victory.

Are we clear?

ARE WE CLEAR?

Are we clear?

ARE WE CLEAR?

Do you like your job?  Do you want to keep your job? 

Posted by: Jenn at June 23, 2010 01:51 PM (WNcvq)

What you say is correct, but for good, bad, or indifferent, the Jug-Eared Marxist can fire a military commander for almost any reason. It's a privilege that comes with the title. I have read the article, and McChrystal himself did not challenge Barky's authority in any way shape, or form. Unfortunately, we have a thin-skinned, narcissistic, egoist for a President, and he apparently didn't like McChrystal's staff bad-mouthing, however mildly, his people. You have to admit, saying Biden and having someone else pipe up "Did you say Bite-me? Haha!" isn't exactly the smartest thing to say in front of a reporter looking to score a hit piece on your boss.

Heh! Heh!  O/T, but noteworthy.  From The Hill:

Arizona Democrats facing tough reelection races are distancing themselves from the Obama administration as it prepares to file a lawsuit against the state over its controversial immigration law.

Rep. Harry Mitchell (D-Ariz.) on Monday sent a sharply worded letter to President Barack Obama urging him not to sue.

Shouldn't this resignation thing- be the other way around?

Are we clear?

ARE WE CLEAR?

Um, uh, anything you want General Petraeus.

Fired up... ready to go...

_{(well at least that's how the dream scenario might end)}

I am not sure how this is going to work out. I hope well. Petreaus was successful in Iraq because Bush put his whole presidency behind him and Petreaus had McChrystal actually running the anti insurgency. Petreaus isn't going to have either of those things now.

The left hates Petreaus (general betrayus, movon.org) and alot of dem politicians didn't like him. I think that was mainly because he worked for Bush and was succeeding but it's hard to change your stripes.

It will depend on Petreaus's commitment to the effort and obama's commitment to him and the effort. I am not sure about either. I can't figure why Petreaus went along with a 1 year time line for withdrawl.

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at June 23, 2010 02:35 PM (GOBeG)

Ok...THAT'S what I was looking for.  Thanks Nam.

Posted by: Ben at June 23, 2010 02:33 PM (wuv1c)

That's Casey's recommendation. 

"Our diversity, not only in our Army, but in our country, is a strength. And as horrific as this [firing] was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think thatÂ’s worse."

#111: Shrillary's a mountain of retard with a nasty disposition.  I'd take her over Precedent Wee Wee any day, as she is, at least, eligible, but I still can't get over the fact that anyone champions her, in any way.  In the old days, that 'reset' fiasco, by itself, would have been enough to permanently end the public lives of hundreds of people.

No disagreement there, but hey, Jimmuh Carturd was *still* better than Glug-Glug Drunk-Drunk crypto-marxist Teddy too. I am curious, however, if a feeble Obamunist presidency might trigger at least one serious primary challenger in 2012.

Staw Poll / Betting Pool: Hillary mounts a primary challenge to Barky in 2012, just as Ted Kennedy did to Jimmuh in 1980? The parallels grow.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 23, 2010 01:45 PM (ujg0T)

I think a closer comparison is actually 1968, and with the Clintons' notorious skill at triangulation Hillary will be able to play BOTH Eugene McCarthy and Hubert Humphrey to Obama's LBJ.

234 LOL!  You really want to see the troops go apeshit if the carnival barker stabs Petraeus in the back don't you?

Although, yeah, I would prefer Odierno over Mattis.

Posted by: Y-not

No, not really. Unless Petraeus is enabled to proesecute this conflict, he'll simple be another placeholder at best, or scapegoat at worst. The fact that Obama vilified Petreaus earlier matters not to the MFM, not the fact that Obama reacted far swifter to McChrystals' negative remarks than his earlier requests to meet and confirm a plan of action. This is political damage control.

Some here have ascribed dark, conspiritorial motives to the actions of this Administration. Perhaps these are simply the actions, reactions and vengeful lashing out of any dense manager/principal/administrator/supervisor who is in over their head (writ large), and is bent on self -preservation and self enrichment to the exclusion of all else. What better way to explain delays over life jackets? Insisting upon lawsuits in the face of opposition?

Johnson and then Nixon didn't fire enough generals. The generals had a bad habit of lying and covering up the situation there -- trying to turn a turd into a tea-rose. Westmoreland was the worst offender, but there were many others.

Other way around, man. LBJ didn't want to acknowledge just what a successful effort would cost, and the farce of Laotian and Cambodian "neutrality" didn't help either.

Great sham, huh?

Petraeus has been neutralized for 2012, and setup to take the fall for the withdrawl in Afghanistan.  So much for HIS popularity.

And conservatives are all enthusiastically on-board.

 Toxic rain in my fricken state!   I hate that SOB Obama. He is a criminal and should be brought on charges for the evironmental disaster that he created from inaction!!

Are you sure it isn't Chocolate rain?

I haven't read every comment, but I see a few that agree with my take on the Rolling Stone article.  There was actually very little to it in terms of insubordinate comments towards Obama and company.  I read the article very thoroughly and it was classic Rolling Stone - the reporter took a few quotes from unnamed aides and used them to add to his characterization of McChrystal as a bad mouthed, arrogant SOB with a bad strategy.  Of the zillion words in the article about 99/100 of a zillion were critical of McChrystal and very little of it had anything to do with Obama at all.  About the worst thing that was said of him was that he seemed "not well prepared" when the two had their first meeting. 

What's done is done, but it seems to me to be much ado about nothing if this article is all they've got to back this resignation/firing.

You have no idea where Petreaous stands on anything? Be very careful what you wish for

I agree. We just had a darkhorse win an election, we don't need another one. I  want a known quantity.

Paul Ryan 2012.

Posted by: John McCain at June 23, 2010 03:10 PM (fImvM)

Absolutely!

Posted by: Methos at June 23, 2010 03:05 PM (Xsi7M)

Don't worry.  Precedent AssKicker is going to take his boot off the neck of BP ... just for a minute ... and put it on that pipe, thereby reducing the flow by 3000%. 

All is well.

Obama has no soul. He is incapable of feeling for the military. They are useful idiots to him. I hope Gen P. realizes this !!!

Yessss!

One more of your ssssoldiers repealed!  I will be sssspending the weekend ssssselebrating in Zanzabar!

"I saw that and want to know WHOSE damned underwater robot this time."

Does TEH EBIL CHENEYBURTON own any underwater robots?

I'm just asking questions, here.

This will make it damn near impossible for Petraeus to run against us in '12.
 Didn't save Lincoln from George McClellan, did it?

When he got his fifth star, Admiral Ernest King said, "When they get into trouble, they send for the sons-of-bitches." 

anyone notice this..?

let the fun begin...

I'm loving reading comments in MSM articles about this--lots and lots of libs getting schooled on the little-reported fact that McChrystal both voted for and was appointed by Obama.

They're all idiotically squealing "ha, that stupid Rethuglican McChrystal Bush remnant deserves to get fired for his disloyalty!" then when informed otherwise, go eerily silent.

Lift the ridiculous ROE and free our military up to fight.

Hear! Hear! Obama's MO is to make a situation FUBAR then blame it on someone else. He has no interest in winning a war, especially against the Muzlums that he said he'd side with. He's too anti-American for that.

Did they meet face-to-face at the White House? Who among us wouldn't have given our last precious drop of Valu-Rite to be a fly on the wall during that meeting.

Heh...maybe the military should unionize.  Seems about the only way they could get any respect from the precedent.

(no, I wasn't being serious -- not really)

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 23, 2010 03:24 PM (i3AsK)

Flies get face-to-face meetings with the Indonesian Imbecile.  Generals and CEOs most integral to the particular task ... not so much.

Posted by: maverick muse at June 23, 2010 03:09 PM (H+LJc)

Patty Hearst was kidnapped by the Symbionese Liberation Army, and in general, what in God's name are you talking about?

"I saw that and want to know WHOSE damned underwater robot this time."

Does TEH EBIL CHENEYBURTON own any underwater robots?

I'm just asking questions, here.

Posted by: D.U. at June 23, 2010 03:18 PM (kC3nL)

I don't know.  But James Cameron certainly does.

After what Bamster said to Petraeus over the Surge strategy in Iraq, I'm surprised the General didn't tell the little fella to go f-himself.  But I guess Petraeus is concerned about the troops and you know, WINNING the war.

Good to see someone is.

And I read that RS article.  I'm pretty sure that any of the mild criticism (and it was mild) that General McC was actually TRUE. And the childish way the ONE Is acting, clearly it is.

Mal @78 Forget Carter, this is the McGovern presidency that never was.

I don't think so Mal.  I read a book by Stephen Amborse, and McGovern at least flew combat missions as a B24 commander in WWII.  And did it well.  He was a dem, but still the old school dem, as in Zel Miller.

This guy we have now, well, he's about as useful as a chickenwire rubber.

"They're all idiotically squealing "ha, that stupid Rethuglican McChrystal Bush remnant deserves to get fired for his disloyalty!" then when informed otherwise, go eerily silent."

Oh yeah?  Well...well...Glenn Beck's poem was still stupid!  Dogs returning to their vomit?  WTF?

When you imagine that bumbling, incompetent twit and the incompetent  weasels in his administration micro-managing our war efforts and diplomacy, you get a rough idea of how stressful it must be for professionals to have that empty suit as their Commander-And-Chief.

 Holbrook should have been retired years ago. He is another useless, empty suit.

"Also, I still haven't read the Rolling Stone article (I'm all out of rubber gloves and my welding mask needs to be buffed) but Rush Limbaugh said none of the damning stuff was from McChrystal himself.  Wouldn't that be a mitigating factor, or is Obama's ego too big to fail?"

Yeah, the quotes by McC were not all that critical of the Bamster.  It was the other "unnamed" sources crap.  Honestly, I can't figure it out.

_{And did it well.  He was a dem, but still the old school dem, as in Zel Miller.}

Politely - Fuck You.

@377:"Wasn't there a gay general he could have been replaced with?"

"Those military brass got a message all right!"

"The Repubs better not criticize Petraeus!"

Ah yes, because we certainly can't forget our damn political priorities in the middle of a war!

God, I despise these people.  You deserve hazardous duty pay for reading it Jane.

Feed that birther an' its gwine keep comin' back for more food.  Tearin' up momma's azaleas an' the like.

You think you gwine feed that birther every day?  Feed it and walk it?  Walk it and clean up after it speaks?  Get it all 'is reality-shots?  Them's expensive, Balrog...all yo' paper-route money will get used up an' you won't have nothin' left for pennywhistles and ValuRite.

I's jus' yo momma, tho, so what do I know...?

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 23, 2010 03:43 PM (ZESU0)

You know, quite a few of us understand that the Indonesian Imbecile is Constitutionally ineligible, and, at the very least, even for those who don't agree, that serious issue should be adjudicated (which should be a three second affair dismissing it, if you folks are correct) and have court verification of the operational definition of 'natural born citizen' and circumstances of this case via discovery of the actual documentation.  To act as if that is some major imposition is kind of odd, to say the least, since it was already supposed to have been done, anyway.

CRITICISM IS UNPATRIOTIC AND SEDITIOUS!

We've been skull fucked!

I'm sure its been mention already but since Oblahblah has personally given him the vote of confidence will he still be considered Gen Betray-us??

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 23, 2010 03:43 PM (ZESU0)

You know, quite a few of us understand that the Indonesian Imbecile is Constitutionally ineligible, and, at the very least, even for those who don't agree, that serious issue should be adjudicated (which should be a three second affair dismissing it, if you folks are correct) and have court verification of the operational definition of 'natural born citizen' and circumstances of this case via discovery of the actual documentation.  To act as if that is some major imposition is kind of odd, to say the least, since it was already supposed to have been done, anyway.

Posted by: progressoverpeace

Fuck all that. I'm fascinated to learn that according to the court system in the United States, nobody has standing to verify this, despite it being one of the pre-requisites for eligibility. What other parts of the US constituion are now no-go areas?

Again, we roll over on something as basic as this, but I'm supposed to believe the wheezing circus known as the GOP is going to dismantle Obamacare?

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 23, 2010 03:38 PM (ZESU0)

Don't give a crap about the "British Nationality Act". Only American law is pertinent to this issue. That being said, Barack is NOT a natural born citizen under American law. He is Probably a "Citizen" under the 14th Amendment, but he is NOT a "Natural Born Citizen" because that REQUIRES two American Citizen Parents. 

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 23, 2010 03:43 PM (ZESU0)

I do it all the time. You do not want to debate me on this particular subject. I have researched the shit out of it, and i've got citations for American Law going back before there was an America.

Posted by: societyis2blame at June 23, 2010 04:01 PM (7ZyYf)

Well, I wouldn't say that.  It's a view.  One would imagine that a General has a more acute sense of the concepts of sovereignty and allegiance than the general public.  The whole general staff has already given in, fully, on the eligibility issue.  I don't see that as the problem, here (since they've already surrendered on that front) but it's not a big deal.

Posted by: societyis2blame at June 23, 2010 04:01 PM (7ZyYf)

The blame for the loss of life and second guessing and public disunity because of people wondering if the man is truly a legitimate President lies at the feet of the Man who perpetuates the wondering, and could resolve it in an instant.

It is completely inappropriate for people in the Military to WONDER if their commander is really a legitimate commander. It is not inappropriate for those in the Military to DO the wondering, it is inappropriate for the commander to LEAVE them WONDERING.

To the extent he does this, all fallout should fall on him.

Obama's General gets dumped....and Bush's General has to take his place.

Is this serendipity, irony or shadenfreud. (sp)

Posted by: societyis2blame at June 23, 2010 04:47 PM (7ZyYf)

No worries.  The mamma posts were funny - whoever did them.  You and I disagree on the assessment of that post, though I admit that it's a bit of a stretch applied to this specific situation, so late as it is, anyway.

@20: "There is no one, not one person who can take McChrystal's job other than Petraeus?"

Well, Grofaz Obama has promoted Reichsfuehrer Emmanuel to command of Heeresgruppe Vistula.....

We're talking about an imbedded flaming liberal writer from Rolling Stone. Rolling Stone! And McChrystal and his staff didn't have sense enough to realize that the writer was there to do a hit piece that would undermine McChrystal's efforts to win that war??? Their stupidity is mind-boggling. I'm incredulous. That was a more than sufficient reason to fire McChrystal ..., and his staff of blabbermouths, too.  What a bunch of bumbling, incompetent, damned fools.

That was just one in a series of their recent outrageous blunders, another of which led to the exposure and murder of upper echelon, secret CIA operatives, as you may recall.  I swear, this has become a country of gossipy busybodies.

264  Petraeus even jumped onto the "blame Israel" bandwagon with the Indonesian

I don't remember any particular comments he made, so can't opine directly.  CENTCOM has responsibility for the Middle East - Israel is in EUCOM.  Petraeus deals with Arab leaders on a daily basis, so has to put on the political face to do so.  In his position, it's understandable to shortchange the Israelis. 

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