December 08, 2010
— Ace Lately I've been thinking a little about culture, and how it's really just made up of three basics: Language, food, and sex. Oh, there is some stuff that is not language, food, or sex, but I'd say that stuff like tv, movies, and music are subsets of the "language" category, and stuff like manners is either a subset of the sex category or a subset of the food category.
Someone's culture, someone's basic preferences and mores in these things, are important to his sense of of identity, often in ways that are invisible to him. For example: Do you, like me, not only turn off Spanish-language music radio stations faster than any other station, and not only faster, but with a little extra punishment-pressure on the Scan button? Like you're annoyed that your radio actuall dared to pick up this station and present it to you?
Why do I do that? I know I'm annoyed by it. I'm also annoyed at people pushing such suspectly alien stuff on me. World Music. Foreign films. Foreplay. It's an intrusion. Not a violation, but I do sort of get my hackles up about it.
I reallly shouldn't. In the end, it's no big deal, isn't it? Who cares?
But I do care. It annoys me when people push elements of an intruder culture on me. It may be irrational, but nevertheless, it's real.
Behavioral psychologists often say that this is the mark of a conservative, and liberals are much more "open" to new experiences and different cultures. But behavioral psychologists tend to be overwhelmingly liberal, and wind up "proving" that which they want to be proven; their research tends to be directed, subconsciously, not towards objective results, but towards self-flattery. One cannot help but notice so much of results of soft/pop science tend to, oddly enough, flatter the liberal sensibilities of the researchers performing the experiments or collating the data. I doubt very much this is a coincidence. (But liberals do have an excuse for their biases: The Truth has a liberal bias, they will say, when cornered.)
I don't think that in this respect -- "openness" -- there is much of a difference between conservatives and liberals. I think the main difference is what each is open to. Liberals are open to foreign crap because they hate their own culture and therefore anything not of their culture is superior; sampling other cultures, untainted by the despised home culture, is therefore ennobling.
Conservatives tend to like their home culture and have the opposite take on things.
Liberals are not more "open" to "foreign" things or new experiences, I would contend-- they just define the foreign or new differently. Try getting a committed urban liberal to watch NASCAR once. Just once. He will refuse, and if he does try it, he will fill the air with snarky insults about the sort of people involved in racing and the sort of people who enjoy it. He will begin indulging in cultural stereotypes and insults that he'd be aghast at if directed at, say, the giant guitars of Peru.
Liberals like calling people "savages" just as much as 1920s xenophobes did. They just call different people "savages," and have learned the word "savage" is itself a catch-word among xenophobes, and they are definitely not by self-definition anything like a xenophobe. But that just means they avoid the word itself. They will employ any number of synonyms or ideation-equivalents to express the same disdain and distaste.
I don't really blame liberals for that, exactly, since I do something like that (watch how fast I turn off Spanish pop music); I blame them more for their hypocrisy and self-obliviousness-become-self-flattery -- that is, I blame them for not realizing they are, in fact, doing precisely what they curse and despise others for doing.
I keep noticing this sort of Disdain For the Barbarians effect coming up in cultural fights about something I could frankly give a shit about, food. Liberals have turned "organic" into an ersatz religion, critical to their sense of place in the world, crucial for differentiating themselves from the savages beneath them. Conservatives rely on more traditional modes of self-identity -- religion, patriotism, family -- and are less prone to fetishize a dietary selection, but they do it too: Witness how the words "arugula" and "latte" are used on the right.
You are what you eat, the saying goes. And if others eat a low diet, then it stands to reason they must themselves be low; or if they eat an unserious, effete diet, they themselves must be unserious and effete.
In two recent cases of food-fighting, Sarah Palin was, no big surprise, at or near the center of the storm. I find the responses of liberals to her very telling.
First, Palin weighed in on typical nannystate crap on health in school lunches. Forbidding candy vending machines and also, it seems, school cookie bake-sales. Unhealthy, you know. She tweeted, basically, Let Them Eat Cookies.
One part about culture I haven't gotten into yet is cultural dominance and cultural presumptiveness. This causes a lot of conservative reaction (or over-reaction, to some minds) to stuff like this. This is the Who The Hell Do You Think You Are? effect. People get their hackles up at being lectured or dictated to as if they were children by people who presume to be their superiors. The person doing the lecturing and hectoring may claim to not be putting themselves over their target as if they were their superior, but in fact, in life, there are only a few people who do in fact get to treat us in such a paternalistic fashion -- our parents, most importantly, especially when we're kids. Our bosses -- who are often called our "superiors," at least in the business heirarchy.
So if you're instructing me, unsolicited, with advice (or dictates about my behavior), as if I were a child and you are my parent, how the hell am I supposed to take that?
This gets a lot of conservatives pretty pissy about liberal nagging. It's not that the advice offered is always bad. It's just -- Who the Hell Do You Think You Are to be telling me how to live my life, buddy? Surely you must think you are higher on the food chain, because privates don't go lecturing lieutenants, and lieutenants don't lecture generals.
So if you are intruding into my life, telling me how to live it-- you must, by necessity, believe you are in some kind of paternalistic relationship with me, I your subordinate and inferior, you my superior.
And if you do think that -- kindly fuck off please, and with all due haste.
Liberals get very pissy about conservatives doing stuff they think is similar -- especially stuff about sex or God. Liberals don't notice they're doing the same thing. (I'd say conservatives also don't notice they're doing the same thing, except they actually do realize this at higher rates, possibly because the media is always pushing back against them, and have adopted a bit more of the live and let live libertarian philosophy.)
Now, after Sarah Palin sounded off, asking the government Who the Hell Do You Think You Are? (always a good question to ask of government), liberals of course (predictably) freaked out. Here's an unfine example.
It's bad enough that President Obama is nationalizing our health care -- that he's leading the economy to socialist ruin -- and generally seeking vengeance against the white man on behalf of his African ancestors.But now his bossy wife and her government minions want to tell you what to eat. Just like your mother when she said you couldn't have dessert until you'd finished your peas. Except more sinister. Way more sinister.
This is the latest paranoid fantasy being hatched by my compadres on the right: that, in an effort to fight rising and dangerous levels of obesity amongst Americans, Big Mother is going to come into your homes, snatch that breakfast soda out of your pudgy hands, and force feed you a fresh carrot from the White House garden.
As Rush Limbaugh warned his listeners on Nov. 9:
Anyway, Michelle Obama's on this big obesity kick, right? Gotta eat healthy stuff, gotta eat the garbage that she grows in the garden, nothing but fruits and vegetables...Michelle Obama wants to spend $400 million to combat food deserts. She's all upset that the only food available to poor urban people are convenience stores, the 7-Elevens. What did Biden say, you can't go in one without finding an Indian? Yeah, that's what Joe Bite Me said. So she's complaining about food deserts, and Michelle Obama wants to punish Big Food and Big Retail for not putting quality food stores in poor neighborhoods, right? And that's why there's an obesity epidemic, right?And Big Mother ain't stopping there. She's going after your children, too. She wants to undermine your parental authority and tell them what to eat: no more greasy pizza slices, deep-fried processed chicken parts, transfat-injected "cake" substances, and high-fructose soft drinks in their school cafeterias.
It rambles on like this, in this kind of exhausting manner. Her basic point is that this is super-duper good advice, so that of course the smart people in the government, informed by the very smart liberal people who elected them into government, should now begin dictating to inferior parents how to properly raise their children.
She doesn't use those words. She doesn't have to. It's pretty clear that she's is Very Concerend Indeed about all those adults who do not have the benefit of her enlightened wisdom, and she seeks to inflict this wisdom on them, by force of law, if that's what it takes.
To her, these would-be laws are perfectly sound guidance offered from Those Who Are Good At Thinking to Those Who Are Good At Doing Things But Not Thinking So Much, and the latter (troglodytes, thralls, sub-creatures, and assorted dirty-handed laborers) should be happy to be the recipients of so much love and care.
She completely misses the entire How Dare You Presume angle, because she's the one doing the presuming.
Contrast this to Sarah Palin's own utterance about what's good to eat -- and the inversion that happens, as Maureen Dowd loses her shit over it.
The doomed caribou gazed calmly across the Alaska tundra at Caribou Barbie.The female caribou could easily have escaped, since it took the Wasilla huntress six shots, two rifles and some help from her dad to bag her prey. (Giving credence to Levi JohnstonÂ’s contention that she isnÂ’t all that proficient with guns.)
But, inexplicably, the caribou just waited to get gunned down by Sarah Palin, who came across less like a pioneer woman than Private Benjamin with her camo, her French manicured nails, her cap that says (in pink) Girls And Guns, her 72-year-old father and her TLC reality show crew.
Sarah checked her freezer at home before she flew 600 miles to the Arctic, trying to justify her contention that she needs to hunt to eat. WasnÂ’t it already stocked with those halibuts she clubbed and gutted in an earlier show?
“My dad has taught me that if you want to have wild, organic, healthy food,” she pontificated, “you’re gonna go out there and hunt yourself and fish yourself and you’re gonna fill up your freezer.”
Does Palin really think the average housewife in Ohio who canÂ’t pay her bills is going to load up on ammo, board two different planes, camp out for two nights with a film crew and shoot a caribou so she can feed her family organic food?
ItÂ’s amazing that Palin patronized Neiman Marcus during the campaign. CouldnÂ’t she have spun cloth to sew her own clothes?
Hunting seems more sporting with birds — at least they have a better chance to get away. Unless the hunter is Dick Cheney, who would shoot pheasants that were pen-raised and released from a net to make slaughtering them easier.
The poor caribou in the Arctic Circle, a cousin to SantaÂ’s reindeer, had to die so Palin could show off her toughness to voters and try to boost ratings on her show that have slipped since its premiere. (Next Sunday, sheÂ’s dragging up nine Gosselins to go shooting and camping.)
SarahÂ’s view of America is primitive. YouÂ’re either a pointy-headed graduate of Harvard Law School or youÂ’re eviscerating animals for fun, which she presents as somehow more authentic.
In movies with animals, they often have a line in the credits assuring that no animals were harmed. In “Sarah Palin’s Alaska,” they should have a line at the end assuring that “almost every living creature involved in this show was harmed.”
There are a couple of things going on here -- typical Palin hate, typical Palin-mention hit-whoring, and the much-noted tendency of those who are in fact entirely separated from The Land to aesthetize the land into some sort of cartoony abstraction and react with enlightened revulsion towards those who are so low as to use The Land for its intended purposes. In Dowd's world, the great unspoiled wilderness exists primarily for purposes of National Geographic photo-essays. Those who actually go out into The Land for traditional purposes are just low. And icky.
But that's not why I'm linking this. I'm quoting that to point out the inversion of liberal attitudes here about platitudes about food. When a liberal offers a platitude about food, they are shocked that anyone could be even the slightest bit annoyed at the presumptiveness of telling another adult to eat his vegetables. They cannot believe the depths of ingratitude here -- all we were trying to do is help you with some paternalistic advice; how can you get so angry about that?
But here Palin offers Maureen Dowd -- well, her and other liberals -- some good, not-really-all-that-controversial advice about eating organic. See? Now, Palin is offering the liberals some advice, and the advice is pretty inarguable -- it is hard to dispute that a wild caribou is entirely, indisputably, and wholly organic; indeed, until the hunter's killing shot is fired, it has grown and lived and ate and mated without any interference by humans whatsoever. (Unlike the tomatoes or steaks you buy at Whole Foods.)
So, that's all she's saying: There's organic, and then there's really organic, and food you yourself hunt or fish falls into the latter category. Whole Foods tomatoes? Not so much.
You can't argue with that, really. It's just... good advice.
But notice how Maureen Dowd freaks out in anger about it. She sputters: Are you suggesting that women (such as myself?!) must go out and hunt our food? Are you saying that we cannot be truly organic unless we do? Are you suggesting we cannot be truly alive and well-rounded people unless we do?
How dare you, Woman, presume to tell me about how to live my life! Just Who In The Hell Do You Think You Are?
Maureen Dowd had a sense of self, and an idea about Proper Culture. And Proper Culture, food-wise, meant eating locally-grown vegetables and buyin' stuff from Whole Foods.
Sarah Palin walked in and challenged her sense of self -- implied, without saying so, that Dowd was living a less-than-perfect life, or at least one with gaps, and therefore was deficient in some aspect of her dietary culture -- and Maureen Dowd freaked out over it.
But contrast Dowd's reaction to Palin's small-beans cultural imposition with liberals' reaction to Palin's reaction to their own cultural impositions -- liberals instruct us to just take the good, wise advice they offer, without calling foul or asking them Who In The Hell They Think They Are?, but when the shoe's on the other food -- when a bit of good advice is sent their way -- they get irrationally angry about it.
Because in their world, it should be the Maureen Dowds and idiot writers on the Huffington Post who give paternalistic advice to the rough-hewn clods of Middle America. That, of course, is the natural order of things, in their thinking.
When Middle America offers some advice back to them... well. That's just not done, now is it?
And I circle back to the point I was making 12,000 words earlier -- but a liberal will tell you she's more "open" to different or foreign ways of doing things, whereas conservatives are all close-minded and xenophobic.
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I'm also annoyed at people pushing such suspectly alien stuff on me. World Music. Foreign films. Foreplay.
Hah!
Posted by: rdbrewer at December 08, 2010 12:33 PM (ue0dE)
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Posted by: t-bird at December 08, 2010 12:36 PM (FcR7P)
SarahÂ’s view of America is primitive. YouÂ’re either a pointy-headed graduate of Harvard Law School or youÂ’re eviscerating animals for fun, which she presents as somehow more authentic.
What a terrible writer. Dowd is incoherent and stupid.
Posted by: lolsoothsayer has a yule log he wants you to see at December 08, 2010 12:37 PM (uFokq)
come on, it's an eight-minute read. stop complaining.
sometimes I have more to say than just headline, excerpt, snark/movie reference.
*Pretend* you care, at least.
Posted by: ace at December 08, 2010 12:38 PM (nj1bB)
One cannot help but notice so much of results of soft/pop science tend to, oddly enough, flatter the liberal sensibilities of the researchers performing the experiments or collating the data. I doubt very much this is a coincidence. (But liberals do have an excuse for their biases: The Truth has a liberal bias, they will say, when cornered.)
Slate is running an article "Most scientists in this country are Democrats" and there is a battle raging in the comments over what it means.
Not really a battle. The liberals outnumber us 10-1. And "the truth has a liberal bias" has been used many a time.
Posted by: CJ at December 08, 2010 12:38 PM (9KqcB)
But I'm with you, Ace, it's the same reason I hit the "mute" button on the remote every time some shitty little cell phone commercial with a "message" accompanied by hipster, douchebag, fucknuckle folk music pops up.
Posted by: tangonine at December 08, 2010 12:38 PM (x3YFz)
If you like your economy of words you can keep your economy of words.
Posted by: Huckleberry at December 08, 2010 12:39 PM (s2bW4)
This is why it is such bullshit that social conservatives are the ones who want to impose their values on others.
Social cons, by and large, mind their own business. They only act-up when the Left is trying to force radical social change upon everyone else.
Posted by: lolsoothsayer has a yule log he wants you to see at December 08, 2010 12:39 PM (uFokq)
Posted by: Dr Spank at December 08, 2010 12:39 PM (LLZiU)
Liberals are not more "open" to "foreign" things or new experiences, I would contend-- they just define the foreign or new differently.
Exactly. I've enjoyed the many times I've told a liberal, "My friend, you ARE the culture. WE'RE the counter-culture now. Dig it."
Posted by: CJ at December 08, 2010 12:40 PM (9KqcB)
So, in conclusion (as I extrapolate the ending), people should have scan buttons on their foreheads so you can change their tune?
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 08, 2010 12:40 PM (swuwV)
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Posted by: tangonine at December 08, 2010 12:41 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: ace at December 08, 2010 12:43 PM (nj1bB)
First point: To some, "The personal is political" is an living motto, not just a phrase. Why would you eat arugula or wild salmon just because you "liked it"? No, to these types, the ONLY reason to do so is to validate your worldview's superiority. I'm something of a foodie, and you'll be shocked how often people display disbelief about my political thoughts, simply based on the fact that I like what are probably considered "organic/green/trendy/etc." foods. How could I be a rascally Republican? I have similar tastes to them! The Enlightened!
Posted by: Techie at December 08, 2010 12:44 PM (SzvZF)
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Posted by: tangonine at December 08, 2010 12:44 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Frank-Zappa-sez-eat-yur-beans at December 08, 2010 12:44 PM (4sQwu)
Posted by: joeindc44 at December 08, 2010 12:45 PM (QxSug)
First point: To some, "The personal is political" is an living motto, not just a phrase. Why would you eat arugula or wild salmon just because you "liked it"? No, to these types, the ONLY reason to do so is to validate your worldview's superiority. I'm something of a foodie, and you'll be shocked how often people display disbelief about my political thoughts, simply based on the fact that I like what are probably considered "organic/green/trendy/etc." foods. How could I be a rascally Republican? I have similar tastes to them! The Enlightened!
Posted by: Techie at December 08, 2010 04:44 PM (SzvZF)
I love shopping at Whole Foods with my military haircut and hoodie that reads "I club hippies" (courtesy of Ranger Up).
Posted by: tangonine at December 08, 2010 12:46 PM (x3YFz)
...wait 'till I finish the one I had to put aside last week...
lemme guess...it's about Christian Bale?
Posted by: lolsoothsayer has a yule log he wants you to see at December 08, 2010 12:46 PM (uFokq)
Posted by: The Dude at December 08, 2010 12:47 PM (Ig1Wo)
I really want to agree with that, but first you need to tell me which bin, other than the social-con bin, people like Huckabee belong in.
Posted by: John Galt at December 08, 2010 12:47 PM (F/4zf)
Posted by: Ed Anger at December 08, 2010 12:47 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: Sponge © at December 08, 2010 12:48 PM (UK9cE)
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at December 08, 2010 04:47 PM (DsU01)
You do understand that there will be a quiz?
Posted by: tangonine at December 08, 2010 12:48 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: baldilocks at December 08, 2010 12:48 PM (t2hll)
Michelle Obama is passing legislation and directly stating that she wants to influence your behavior. If she wants to show off the White House garden, nobody's fussing, but it becomes a Biden F'ing Deal when she wants to force salad bars into every school.
Maureen Dowd is inferring a lot from Sarah Palin. First, she realizes that Sarah is needling the left about "organic food" saying that they're a bunch of poseurs. Which they are. Sarah isn't eating all of her food this way, picking wild berries and mushrooms, etc.
Second, it's Dowd's guilt which leads her to feel threatened. Even if you accept that Palin is an active politician rather than just a reality show host, there is no implied legislation here that would force every American to hunt their own food.
Oh, and it isn't a fair comparison because Maureen Dowd is batshit crazy.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 08, 2010 12:48 PM (T0NGe)
I'm also annoyed at people pushing such suspectly alien stuff on me. World Music. Foreign films. Foreplay.
Bathing.
Posted by: rdbrewer at December 08, 2010 12:48 PM (ue0dE)
Posted by: Museisluse© at December 08, 2010 12:50 PM (DTfXb)
...people like Huckabee belong in.
Does Mike Huckabee tell you what to eat and what to think? Has Mike Huckabee ever said we should all drive SUV's?
Does Mike Huckabee try to vilify those who do not believe in his God?
Does Mike Huckabee try to shame people into going to church on Sundays?
Posted by: lolsoothsayer has a yule log he wants you to see at December 08, 2010 12:50 PM (uFokq)
Posted by: Wm T Sherman at December 08, 2010 12:50 PM (w41GQ)
About the "Scientists are Democrats" thing, it's easy to explain IMO. Look how science is funded. Countless man-hours are spent begging for money applying for grands and fellowships by just about everyone who wants to do research. Science is tremendously expensive. I have two degrees in the Earth Sciences, my wife has 4. When the Democrats came back in power in 2006, there was basically a party in my grad school department because (sic) "the money will finally be coming the sciences!".
Also, because the first thing any professor will tell you as an undergraduate is that when a Republican is President, we're just one Act of Congress away from burning all the smart people at the stake for heresy and establishing some sort of Cromwell-esque theocracy.
Posted by: Techie at December 08, 2010 12:50 PM (SzvZF)
Posted by: baldilocks at December 08, 2010 04:48 PM (t2hll)
That's when I started shopping there. I only visit the bulk foods aisle, as the rest of the food in their can be bought more cheaply across the street at Safeway or at the local commissary, or, it's so freaking "organic" that it creeps me out.
Meat-free meat? wtf?
Posted by: tangonine at December 08, 2010 12:51 PM (x3YFz)
The real conclusion is that liberals have a logic gene defect and seldom see their hypocrisy.
Posted by: dogfish at December 08, 2010 12:51 PM (HFLya)
Posted by: Sam at December 08, 2010 12:52 PM (Cxsey)
Posted by: nevergiveup at December 08, 2010 12:52 PM (/Ibu8)
Posted by: maddogg at December 08, 2010 12:52 PM (OlN4e)
there's a fine line between being the righteous crusader trying to fight for what's best and being a nosy pain in the ass. I think even Palin is starting to blur the distinction.
Posted by: mark c at December 08, 2010 12:52 PM (SBIko)
I wonder if Palin thinks it's amazing to poo in the woods like Cameron Diaz and that other trollop. Or normal.
Posted by: CUS at December 08, 2010 12:52 PM (wOGfT)
But I'm with you, Ace, it's the same reason I hit the "mute" button on the remote every time some shitty little cell phone commercial with a "message" accompanied by hipster, douchebag, fucknuckle folk music pops up.
Pretty much the same reason I will never own an Apple product......I just don't want to smell like them.......
Posted by: Sponge © at December 08, 2010 12:52 PM (UK9cE)
>>>Whole Foods will get my business as long as that guy who bashed Obamacare is the CEO. Recall that the Left boycotted WF as a result. I think WF's profits went up during that time.
Well I'd like to say that I rather like Whole foods. I don't love it, but it's good. I like that I can buy like a pound of cooked bacon there for like 7 bucks.
I didn't mean to suggest it's a bad store. Just that it should be fetishized as an ersatz church.
Posted by: ace at December 08, 2010 12:52 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Frank-Zappa-sez-eat-yur-beans at December 08, 2010 04:44 PM (4sQwu)
It just shows that "edgy" and "hip" means not criticizing your side. Dowd is imminently mockable. Steyn calls her the "elderly schoolgirl columnist of the New York Times.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 08, 2010 12:53 PM (T0NGe)
Those least able to afford health care disproportionately need it in large part because of the unhealthy food they eat -- and that is served to their children in government-run schools. We've arrived at a point where inner-city children can't identify common fresh vegetables and fruits, such as cauliflower, tomatoes, and potatoes.
Great. So I'm sure Crittenden will fully support any effort to do away with the ridiculous number of environmental, government and state-level regulations that make it difficult to maintain the types of farms that provide the organic food she wants kids to eat.
This so-called conservative doesn't address that point, of course, and probably didn't even bother researching it. I did some quick looking around. These laws have some impact upon the small farmer:
Safe Drinking Water Act
Clean Water Act
National Pollutant Discharge Elimination System
Federal Insecticide, Fungicide, and Rodenticide Act
Worker Protection Standards
Resource Conservation & Recovery Act
Comprehensive Environmental Response, Compensation, and Liability Act
Endangered Species Act
Toxic Substances Control Act
Clean Air Act
Emergency Planning & Community Right to Know
Coastal Zone Management Act
You want cheaper, more-readily available organic foods? Get rid of the laws that make it hard for people to start and operate the farms that grow them.
Posted by: Slublog at December 08, 2010 12:53 PM (0nqdj)
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Posted by: nevergiveup at December 08, 2010 12:53 PM (/Ibu8)
This is why Vegans are so hated.
Posted by: Rob B. at December 08, 2010 04:47 PM (q32Ly)
And atheists, and environmentalists, etc.
Posted by: Sam at December 08, 2010 12:53 PM (Cxsey)
Posted by: Author Joe McGinness at December 08, 2010 12:53 PM (GwPRU)
About the "Scientists are Democrats" thing, it's easy to explain IMO. Look how science is funded. Countless man-hours are spent begging for money applying for grands and fellowships by just about everyone who wants to do research. Science is tremendously expensive. I have two degrees in the Earth Sciences, my wife has 4. When the Democrats came back in power in 2006, there was basically a party in my grad school department because (sic) "the money will finally be coming the sciences!".
Also, because the first thing any professor will tell you as an undergraduate is that when a Republican is President, we're just one Act of Congress away from burning all the smart people at the stake for heresy and establishing some sort of Cromwell-esque theocracy.
Posted by: Techie at December 08, 2010 04:50 PM (SzvZF)
Aye. I have degrees in physics and some other related goobledy-gook. My professors were overwhelmingly hippie losers. Smart, but losers dedicated to The Holy Grant.
Posted by: tangonine at December 08, 2010 12:54 PM (x3YFz)
The issue with "Who Do You Think You Are" does not necessarily have anything to do with someone challenging our sense of self. It has much more to do with our inherent sense of self-sufficiency.
It's not that they're insulting our culture, it's that they're insulting us.
"You're too stupid to know you shouldn't live on a diet of Twinkies and Val-u-rite."
"You're too stupid to know what to do with your money."
"You're too stupid to [insert thing they want to make you do here]."
Maureen Dowd, on the other hand, is still just pissy because Sara Palin is more popular than she is.
You can tell the difference from the snark "Took her 6 shots..." Yes, Maureen, because we're all US Marine Snipers living by the "One Shot, One Kill" motto. Then there are the biting comments about the clothing.
When someone tells me that my local school can no longer have vending machines, I think "How stupid is that? This is what's important right now?" And that, I think, is what's behind Conservative opposition to the nanny state- beyond the fact we reject it in the first place. That is, every time you hear one of these stupid things (the incandescent light-bulb ban, or back when the regulated the number of gallons of water a toilet could use per flush, etc) don't you think, "Gee, I'm glad we don't have anything more pressing to worry about?"
On the other hand, when you tell a Liberal that "the only way to get truly organic meat is to kill it yourself" you're making them remember that they hate killing in all of its forms (which they've neatly decided doesn't apply to unborn children) and that for them to eat any meat at all means they're participating in that killing. And they don't actually like arugula or Swish shard any more than the rest of us- they just force themselves to do it anyway.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 08, 2010 12:54 PM (8y9MW)
For example: Do you, like me, not only turn off Spanish-language music radio stations faster than any other station, and not only faster, but with a little extra punishment-pressure on the Scan button?
Not the Spanish TV stations though. They have a lot of hot chicks on them. A lot of the programs are Benny Hill in Spanish
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 08, 2010 12:54 PM (1Jaio)
I've sat in school meetings where she was specifically cited as the reason they were cutting out such things as french fries.
My wife said my eye-rolling was loud enough to disturb people.
[Oh, and somehow this obesity problem didn't exist back in my school days, where we had fried foods and cheese and salt and sugar as the main food groups. Whyizzat, do-gooder-food-nazis?]
Posted by: nickless© at December 08, 2010 12:54 PM (MMC8r)
But God forbid someone shows them how that game actually gets on their plates. (Not to mention that it's a lot prettier than how their standard beef hamburger or chicken breast gets from the farm to their plates.)
Does anyone remember how in November 2008, Gov. Palin got all sorts of grief from making an appearance to pardon the State of Alaska's official turkey at a turkey farm -- and then gave a news interview to a local TV station in front of the killing barn at the turkey farm? People back then were outraged that she was so unfeeling as to give them a glimpse at how their Thanksgiving turkeys originated.
Posted by: stuiec at December 08, 2010 12:54 PM (chhYn)
Liberals' platitudes about food remind me that C.S. Lewis considered this fastidiousness a form of gluttony:
"Because what she wants is smaller and less costly than what has been set before he, she never recognizes as gluttony her determination to get what she wants, however troublesome it may be to others. At the very moment of indulging her appetite she believes that she is practising temperance ...; in reality ... the particular shade of delicacy to which we have enslaved her is offended by the sight of more food than she happens to want."
[...]
Fastidious gluttony can appear in the form of an excessively picky eater. For example, one who demands that her fishball noodles not contain bean sprouts and sends it back to the cook when they do in fact contain bean sprouts. Or maybe he demands that the noodles all not be longer than a certain length.
Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 08, 2010 12:54 PM (QMtmy)
First, she realizes that Sarah is needling the left about "organic food" saying that they're a bunch of poseurs.
Amishdude, that's one of the best things about her. She flips them the bird without hesitation.
Posted by: Matt at December 08, 2010 12:55 PM (ecpMe)
For some strange and inexplicable reason, our government has become infested with busybodies who think it's their job to tell us what to do.
They can all fuck off, with that due haste you mentioned earlier.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 08, 2010 12:55 PM (b6qrg)
Posted by: tangonine
This is priceless.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 08, 2010 12:55 PM (R2fpr)
Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at December 08, 2010 12:56 PM (wd0Iq)
>>>well, it's good that right before the biggest vote in american history, you felt confident in writing a big 1000 word article on how the left hates palin, and how Rush didn't meantion DREAM today from what I heard.
It was my understanding the vote was doomed... am I wrong? That's the sense I got from most, that this is kabuki.
Posted by: ace at December 08, 2010 12:56 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: nevergiveup at December 08, 2010 12:57 PM (/Ibu8)
Unless the news coverage is wrong I think he's on the other side of that one. ie his position is that none of us should drive SUV's.
Posted by: John Galt at December 08, 2010 12:58 PM (F/4zf)
Cultural snobbery is a weapon of the left, because it's so effective. Which is why folks like Palin drive them up the wall. She's using basically the same tactic against them, claiming that as she sees it, they are the ones who are behind the times.
The thing is, she's got a great point, the left embrace stale ideas. I'm working on understanding the liberal thought processes (no snarky remarks, they actually do have a conherient world view). The thing is as far as I can tell most of their ideas were hashed out some time ago, and there's no one that I can tell that is a fresh dynamic personality who is defining anything new for them, they are just following ideas of their predicessors (or their younger selves, in many cases). They have become so ossified they don't really know how to engage in debate, so they get a little upset when anyone challenges them as crassly as Palin does. They KNOW they are right, but they can't really put their finger on why, so they try personal attacks and shouting and all their dirtly little tricks.
I'm working on it, and soon I hope to be able to understand their moral compass a little better, so I can better predict their movements and attacks. Palin offers a wonderful study on their own mindsets, kind of like bear baiting lets you know what motivates a bear.
Posted by: Dan in Philly at December 08, 2010 12:58 PM (UpqKo)
And I love to annoy my leftist sister in law, who rambles on about freetrade coffee.
me: Does that include the coffee from Columbia?
leftist SiL: yes
Whcih Columbia? The one that obama refused to sign the trade agreement with? (this was last year)
leftist SiL: we need to change the subject.
I then start to talk about the joys of free range coffee beans. Ah, family gatherings
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 08, 2010 12:58 PM (R2fpr)
>>>Whole Foods will get my business as long as that guy who
bashed Obamacare is the CEO. Recall that the Left boycotted WF as a
result. I think WF's profits went up during that time.
Well I'd like to say that I rather like Whole foods. I don't love it, but it's good. I like that I can buy like a pound of cooked bacon there for like 7 bucks.
I didn't mean to suggest it's a bad store. Just that it should be fetishized as an ersatz church.
Posted by: ace at December 08, 2010 04:52 PM (nj1bB)
The whole notion of paying more for their organic food plays in with the indulgence theory you have raised before. The store isn't bad in the moral or legal since, but it is bad in a financial one. And, it reeks of douchebaggery on an epic scale. And, ever other car in the parking has an Obama sticker, Coexist sticker, or Free Tibet sticker.
Posted by: Sam at December 08, 2010 12:59 PM (Cxsey)
For some strange and inexplicable reason, our government has become infested with busybodies who think it's their job to tell us what to do.
They can all fuck off, with that due haste you mentioned earlier.
Posted by: BackwardsBoyThe government consists of busybodies whose existence is based upon telling others what to do. They can fuck off, but they won't.
Posted by: kansas at December 08, 2010 12:59 PM (mka2b)
Posted by: ace at December 08, 2010 04:43 PM (nj1bB)
“I have only made this letter longer because I have not had the time to make it shorter.”
Blaise Pascal, (1623-1662) Lettres provinciales.
Not that the story need be long, but it will take a long while to make it short.
Henry David Thoreau
If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter.
Marcus T. Cicero
You know that I write slowly. This is chiefly because I am never satisfied until I have said as much as possible in a few words, and writing briefly takes far more time than writing at length.
Karl Friedrich Gauss (1777-1855)
It is my ambition to say in ten sentences what others say in a whole book.
Nietzsche
The more you say, the less people remember. The fewer the words, the greater the profit.
Felelon
No one who has read official documents needs to be told how easy it is to conceal the essential truth under the apparently candid and all-disclosing phrases of a voluminous and particularizing reportÂ….
Woodrow Wilson
“If you want me to give you a two-hour presentation, I am ready today. If you want only a five-minute speech, it will take me two weeks to prepare.”
Mark Twain
Posted by: stuiec at December 08, 2010 12:59 PM (chhYn)
Posted by: garrett at December 08, 2010 12:59 PM (69B5a)
@ #54 "Does Mike Huckabee try to vilify those who do not believe in his God?"
You don't want to go there. He did give Romney the business about LDS during the primaries...
(BTW, enough about your yule log, let me show you my mistletoe belt buckle.)
Posted by: thethinman at December 08, 2010 12:59 PM (W3XUk)
No. They hate yours. Theirs is a subset of not-yours.
Exotic/foreign/etc. is an obvious shortcut to probably-not-yours, so they presume in its favor, unless and until they're told that it's a corollary or extreme example of yours (e.g., "American Taliban") and can be held against you—and therefore, post hoc, rejected.
There are no weird self-negating psychological inversions involved. No one hates himself, as he truly defines himself. He hates you, and sometimes he calls you "us," so he can get away with doing something horrible to you.
Posted by: oblig. at December 08, 2010 01:00 PM (x7Ao8)
Posted by: joncelli© at December 08, 2010 01:00 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: joeindc44 at December 08, 2010 01:01 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: willow's sick of it all at December 08, 2010 01:01 PM (h+qn8)
And then Amish Dude says it far better than I was able. In fewer words.
Obviously my last dose of coffee has run out...
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 08, 2010 01:01 PM (8y9MW)
I think you get my point.
It's the Left that is trying to force their will upon others, not the Right.
Posted by: lolsoothsayer has a yule log he wants you to see at December 08, 2010 01:01 PM (uFokq)
Posted by: stuiec
So what is it you're trying to say? Try making your meaning clear. Examples might help.
Posted by: Typical Moron at December 08, 2010 01:01 PM (R2fpr)
Posted by: joeindc44 at December 08, 2010 01:02 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: willow's sick of it all at December 08, 2010 01:02 PM (h+qn8)
and then gave a news interview to a local TV station in front of the killing barn at the turkey farm? People back then were outraged that she was so unfeeling as to give them a glimpse at how their Thanksgiving turkeys originated.
Would have been cooler if she rescinded the pardon and lopped that fucker's head clean off!
Posted by: garrett at December 08, 2010 01:03 PM (69B5a)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 08, 2010 04:54 PM (8y9MW)
Five misses with her gun. One shot, one kill with her friend's gun.
Afterwards, Dad lined up a fixed target to prove there was nothing wrong with Sarah's gun. Missed it three times in a row.
If Sarah was a poor shot, she'd have hit the animal with one of her first five shots because of poor aim -- and probably would have maimed it, not killed it. And THEN you would have heard the outrage from the Left turned up to eleventy!!!
Posted by: stuiec at December 08, 2010 01:03 PM (chhYn)
Posted by: Dr Spank at December 08, 2010 01:04 PM (LLZiU)
Posted by: Cheri at December 08, 2010 01:04 PM (oiNtH)
Keep your hands out of my uterus!
er i meant hands on my body in my tummy and let me know all the right things to think and believe oh masters of Gvt good.
Posted by: willow's sick of it all at December 08, 2010 01:04 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Adrian at December 08, 2010 01:04 PM (1nAkE)
Posted by: joncelli©
Normally one hesitates to comment upon anothers domestic affairs, but since you mentioned it, and since we are morons....That is fucked up.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 08, 2010 01:04 PM (R2fpr)
Would have been cooler if she rescinded the pardon and lopped that fucker's head clean off!
Posted by: garrett at December 08, 2010 05:03 PM (69B5a)
Or a variation on the Passover Temple ritual with the scape goat: one turkey for pardon, one for slaughter.
Posted by: stuiec at December 08, 2010 01:05 PM (chhYn)
Posted by: willow's sick of it all at December 08, 2010 01:05 PM (h+qn8)
Try butter. And cheese. Cheese is good. Maybe mayo. Not my favorite, but some like it/
[Oh, and somehow this obesity problem didn't exist back in my school days, where we had fried foods and cheese and salt and sugar as the main food groups. Whyizzat, do-gooder-food-nazis?]
Hmmm, lemme guess. After school we ran around the playground playing stupid games and having a softball game before actually WALKING home (no buses for us) fueled by RC and cheese popcorn. Oh, and we had gym class. Where we played even more softball. And football. And dodgeball. The guys doing most of the kvetching here are the guys we picked last.
Posted by: CUS at December 08, 2010 01:05 PM (wOGfT)
Posted by: kansas at December 08, 2010 01:06 PM (mka2b)
On the foreign thing anthropologists (those people who's business it is to study cultures interacting) hae always said tha people always divide themselves up into "clans" of "us" that are separate from "them". The liberals are all gathered in different "clans". The Dowd clan are those that habitat the East side of the City and go to the latest and hippest parties and clubs. We all see them because the paparazzi make a living taking pictures of them getting out of cars with no underwear on.
As for the people like Moochelle telling us what to eat that is a different clan. That is the clan of people who love government and love to order other people to do what they want. Of course it is for their own benefit and good. They used to have a totem consisting of an ax and a bundle of wood. Their leader was named Mussolini until he decided (with a little help) to hang around in the poor districts with his girlfriend upside down.
Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2010 01:06 PM (e4sSD)
Because in their world, it should be the Maureen Dowds and idiot writers on the Huffington Post who give paternalistic advice to the rough-hewn clods of Middle America. That, of course, is the natural order of things, in their thinking.
When Middle America offers some advice back to them... well. That's just not done, now is it?
They have to believe they are part of the in-group. For them, there has to be an out-group. It's part of their identity. I think when conservatives throw it back at them, it's less that conservatives feel that they are in the in-group. I think they're pretty much aware they aren't, and that they're holding a mirror up to the liberals. (Geez, it's hard to write "liberals" without scare quotes.)
Also, I think they're more primitive, less live and let live. I think they're hyper--concerned on a deep, unconscious level with matters of survival via social gaming. They flock to big cities and end-up thinking alike. Others are forced through social pressure to conform and posture like them. People who do not are threats on a deep survival level for them and are osracized. Old reptilian habits die hard. Everyone has some of that, but liberals obviously let those R-complex urge call the shots more often. "You're not with-it (smart, beautiful, whatever). Like we are. You're not one of us." For every person you can relegate to the out-group, your chance of survival increases. (Or so your primitive, sub-conscious idea of survival tells you, that is.)
Nice post, Ace.
Posted by: rdbrewer at December 08, 2010 01:06 PM (ue0dE)
Posted by: CaribouKen at December 08, 2010 01:06 PM (nZ34l)
That is why I like to say: "Ah, yes, that Sarah Palin. She's so...working class, isn't she?"
Posted by: AmishDude at December 08, 2010 01:06 PM (T0NGe)
You forgot:
"We have to pass this bill, so we can find out what's in it."
-Nazzi Pelozi
Posted by: Sponge © at December 08, 2010 01:07 PM (UK9cE)
f Sarah was a poor shot, she'd have hit the animal with one of her first five shots because of poor aim -- and probably would have maimed it, not killed it. And THEN you would have heard the outrage from the Left turned up to eleventy!!!
This is nonsense.
If she had a clue, she would have ditched that rifle after the second shot. A competent shooter knows when they outperformed their weapon.
I would have cut her some slack, then. But she kept on shooting and that is straight up, poor form.
Posted by: garrett at December 08, 2010 01:07 PM (69B5a)
Keep your hands out of my uterus!
er i meant hands on my body in my tummy and let me know all the right things to think and believe oh masters of Gvt good.
Posted by: willow's sick of it all at December 08, 2010 05:04 PM (h+qn
Hmmm... the Left seems not to value what's in a woman's uterus but are all-fired concerned about what's in her stomach. You'd think it would be the other way around, considering the end products of gestation and digestion.
Posted by: stuiec at December 08, 2010 01:07 PM (chhYn)
Posted by: garrett at December 08, 2010 05:07 PM (69B5a)
Would you have had your father leaning over your shoulder telling you that the problem was that you needed to settle?
Posted by: stuiec at December 08, 2010 01:08 PM (chhYn)
Is this good luck, or what?
Attention Dear,
I've cashed your draft/cheque worth of $1.5 Million USD for your overdue payments, due to the expiry I packaged the money and deposit it with FEDEX COURIER to deliver the consignment to you, to avoid another hoax as you were disappointed in the past. So youÂ’re requested to contact the FEDEX with your delivery address and your telephone numbers so they shall deliver the consignment to your personal address.
Posted by: kansas at December 08, 2010 01:09 PM (mka2b)
Perzactly. Some even go through prolonged, expensive schooling on just how to perfect the art of busybodying. I believe it's called either PoliSci or, worse, Law.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 08, 2010 01:09 PM (swuwV)
That's why liberals hate hate HATE Conservatives and traditional American society. Because they still acknowledge a superior wisdom, a superior moral authority -- one that liberals can't boss around, and one entirely separate and apart from their self-anointed credentialing system. As long as Americans still believe in that silly old man with a beard sitting on a cloud somewhere, they won't be proper clay to be molded by the liberals.
Posted by: Trimegistus at December 08, 2010 01:10 PM (AEi46)
Posted by: mongo78 at December 08, 2010 01:10 PM (2b46R)
I think the time taken to read this is time well spent. I am sick of being told by twenty-somethings ...
Posted by: Museisluse© at December 08, 2010 04:50 PM (DTfXb)
Just tell them, "You know all that FREE stuff you thought you would get by voting for Obi-Won? It won't be free and you'll be paying for it, in spades, for the rest of your smug, self-righteous life!"
Posted by: ya2daup at December 08, 2010 05:05 PM (FcKXR)
karma is a motherfucker.
Posted by: tangonine at December 08, 2010 01:10 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Dr Spank at December 08, 2010 05:04 PM (LLZiU)
One thing women should be taught is that nagging is not foreplay.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 08, 2010 01:10 PM (T0NGe)
From my perspective, the liberal "openess" they trumpet is partly BS and partly willful ignorance.
Consider African tribal culture. You can get many a liberal to opine for their love of this particular culture. They will go on and on about how great it is to see people at peace with nature and not worrying about money. And then they will go back to their luxury SUV and drive it to their job where they are vying for a raise by pushing more paper then their coworkers. This is the BS part. They can talk about how superior this culture is, but given the choice they have no desire to directly experience it.
Now, this gets worse when you find out their understanding of the culture is based on Disney movies. I remember watching a movie in an anthro class where a girl from one of these tribes stumbles across a young elk (or related animal). She plays with it for a few minutes...and then kills it by bashing its head into a tree to bring it home to eat. My liberal classmates were appalled, apparently believing that "humane" methods of killing food animals are common throughout the third world...
Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2010 01:10 PM (7BU4a)
Sort of like, erm, foreplay...
Just sayin'
Posted by: AoSHQ's DarkLord© at December 08, 2010 01:10 PM (GBXon)
Posted by: Dr Spank at December 08, 2010 05:04 PM (LLZiU)
Foreplay for morons: "Hold my beer and brace yourself, woman!"
Posted by: stuiec at December 08, 2010 01:11 PM (chhYn)
Does Mike Huckabee tell you what to eat and what to think? Has Mike Huckabee ever said we should all drive SUV's?
Does Mike Huckabee try to vilify those who do not believe in his God?
Does Mike Huckabee try to shame people into going to church on Sundays?
Huckabee wants to take away our SUVs. Huckabee wants a nation-wide ban on smoking in certain public areas. Huckabee did denigrate Mormons, but even then, he did it in a sneaky, just asking questions way, instead of coming out and owning his beliefs.
Huckabee is a statist that wants to tell us how to live our lives. No thanks.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at December 08, 2010 01:11 PM (DsU01)
One thing women should be taught is that nagging is not foreplay.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 08, 2010 05:10 PM (T0NGe)
Last man to tell me that got 12 stitches to his face.
Posted by: Michelle Obama at December 08, 2010 01:11 PM (7BU4a)
Is this good luck, or what?
Attention Dear,
I've cashed your draft/cheque worth of $1.5 Million USD for your overdue payments, due to the expiry I packaged the money and deposit it with FEDEX COURIER to deliver the consignment to you, to avoid another hoax as you were disappointed in the past. So youÂ’re requested to contact the FEDEX with your delivery address and your telephone numbers so they shall deliver the consignment to your personal address.
Posted by: kansas at December 08, 2010 05:09 PM (mka2b)
You WIN! I think.
Posted by: tangonine at December 08, 2010 01:12 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: mongo78 at December 08, 2010 05:10 PM (2b46R)
I'm willing to bet that Dowd didn't watch one minute of it and got a summary from somewhere. Most likely, Media Matters.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 08, 2010 01:12 PM (T0NGe)
Good advice, actually, is fine. If MO wants us to eat right and excercise, well, ok then.
What isn't ok is to dictate how when where what and how much I choose to eat, or in any way interfere, including the federal government regulating or adjusting or tweaking or "making it easier" to select the better choice.
IF your advice is good, I might take it, even unsolicited. But mind your own business when it comes to actually choosing.Posted by: SarahW at December 08, 2010 01:12 PM (Z4T49)
The link is to Big Peace's article on China's poplation control policy and Ted Turner. Sort of dovetails into the main topic.
Posted by: Sam at December 08, 2010 01:12 PM (Cxsey)
One thing women should be taught is that nagging is not foreplay.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 08, 2010 05:10 PM (T0NGe)
Last man to tell me that got 12 stitches to his face.
Posted by: Michelle Obama at December 08, 2010 05:11 PM (7BU4a)
But... I'm gay?
Posted by: Brack Obama at December 08, 2010 01:13 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Trimegistus at December 08, 2010 05:10 PM (AEi46)
That's a HUGE part of it: if God's rulebook is valid, then the Left is constrained in how far it can rewrite all the rules. (One reason that the French Revolution included eradication of the old religion in favor of the new Secular National religion.)
Posted by: stuiec at December 08, 2010 01:13 PM (chhYn)
Posted by: tangonine
If you ever do, can I watch? I'll bring pom-poms!
Posted by: Dianna at December 08, 2010 01:13 PM (qrFCz)
Would you have had your father leaning over your shoulder telling you that the problem was that you needed to settle?
Yes.
Posted by: garrett at December 08, 2010 01:13 PM (69B5a)
Posted by: Mike Huckabee at December 08, 2010 01:13 PM (x3YFz)
Foreplay for morons: "Put down the pancake, Hold my beer and brace yourself, woman!"
Posted by: stuiec
FIFY
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 08, 2010 01:14 PM (R2fpr)
Posted by: kansas at December 08, 2010 01:14 PM (mka2b)
Posted by: Dr Spank at December 08, 2010 05:11 PM (LLZiU)
Do you get most of your nutrition from sorrows and the voices in your head? I am assuming that you're able to drown both of those things.
Posted by: stuiec at December 08, 2010 01:15 PM (chhYn)
Posted by: MJ at December 08, 2010 01:15 PM (BKOsZ)
Posted by: maddogg at December 08, 2010 01:15 PM (OlN4e)
Posted by: tangonine
If you ever do, can I watch? I'll bring pom-poms!
Posted by: Dianna at December 08, 2010 05:13 PM (qrFCz)
Bring a can of black spray paint to hit the cameras so we don't end up on Cops.
Posted by: Mike Huckabee at December 08, 2010 01:15 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2010 01:15 PM (7BU4a)
Yes.
Posted by: garrett at December 08, 2010 05:13 PM (69B5a)
Then wouldn't he have told you to check your gun after the second shot, instead of telling you it was still you?
Posted by: stuiec at December 08, 2010 01:16 PM (chhYn)
Posted by: Dr Spank at December 08, 2010 01:16 PM (LLZiU)
Posted by: joncelli© at December 08, 2010 01:18 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: garrett at December 08, 2010 01:18 PM (69B5a)
On the left, you have "Prey Response", where you roll over and show your soft pink underbelly, and hope not to get eaten.
On the right, you have "Predator Response," where you shoot first and ask questions later, like "Uncle K~Bob, how do we field-dress this sucker?"
Too many liberals think the Medievalist Jihadis are going to approve of their soft, pink underbellies. Some on the far-right like to be like the more extreme/bizarre militia groups (and no, I don't mean normal folks who understand their second amendment rights AND responsibilities as militia). Naturally, jihadis don't worry them near as much as ATF agents.
At this time in the civilized world, the pink underbellies crowd is running things. That's why we have a problem with jihadis, and it's why Assange is still breathing.
Posted by: K~Bob's sock drawer at December 08, 2010 01:18 PM (0XPnQ)
Bring a can of black spray paint to hit the cameras so we don't end up on Cops.
Ah! Yes. Excellent advice.
Posted by: Dianna at December 08, 2010 01:19 PM (qrFCz)
Posted by: joncelli© at December 08, 2010 01:19 PM (RD7QR)
Then wouldn't he have told you to check your gun after the second shot, instead of telling you it was still you?
Not necessarily.
He's old and I'm wrong.
Posted by: garrett at December 08, 2010 01:19 PM (69B5a)
Posted by: The Dude at December 08, 2010 04:47 PM (Ig1Wo)
How YOU doin'?
Posted by: tcn at December 08, 2010 01:19 PM (+dwY/)
Actually, while Huckabee may want us all to have to give up SUVs and Smoking, and whatever else, the difference (with the exception of smoking- and its not like he's alone there, Left or Right) is that he doesn't think it should be legislated. He just thinks people should be convinced to give up all the things he thinks are bad.
That's the thing: I don't think people should drink (jokes on this blog notwithstanding). I don't think people should smoke. I think everyone should be in Church on Sunday morning. I don't think any level of government should legislate those issues at all.
Most Christian Conservatives (and, yes, there will always be the vocal minority) really just want what 1st Century Christians wanted: to be left alone to worship as we want. We don't really want the government interfering with that, or with any other part of our lives. We know we can regulate ourselves much better than the government could ever hope.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 08, 2010 01:20 PM (8y9MW)
Nitpicking point #1:
>> conservatives ... have adopted a bit more of the live and let live libertarian philosophy.
I'd say that conservatives begin with a live-and-let-live philosophy, rather than having adopted it.
Again, I'm picking impurities out of the pepper barrel. Nice piece, Ace.
Posted by: FireHorse at December 08, 2010 01:20 PM (sWynj)
1.) Think freely.
2.) Tell them that the Constitution is NOT a living, breathing document.
3.) Eat meat.
4.) Drive.
5.) Breathe.
There's more, but those 5 will get you shunned in any liberal circle.
Posted by: Sponge © at December 08, 2010 01:20 PM (UK9cE)
Holy crap!
How the hell did I miss this?
*books next flight to Lima*
Posted by: Deety erasing gaps in her Knowledge at December 08, 2010 01:21 PM (Jb3+B)
Posted by: t-bird at December 08, 2010 01:21 PM (uIFOI)
Posted by: Ian S. at December 08, 2010 01:21 PM (p05LM)
I'm not a nice person (if you might have noticed), but I refuse to use lethal mousetraps in my home. In this universe, I know 1 thing for certain: life is precious and very, very rare.
Having said that, walk into my house uninvited at 3AM and you're leaving in pieces.
Posted by: Mike Huckabee at December 08, 2010 01:21 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: tcn at December 08, 2010 01:22 PM (+dwY/)
THE HELL YOU SAY!!!!!!!
You'll pry this keg of Miller Lite out of my COLD DEAD HANDS!!!!!
Please remove that thought from your head.
Posted by: Sponge © at December 08, 2010 01:22 PM (UK9cE)
You need to go back and look at his record in AR again. He certainly did try to legislate all kinds of shit like that. He is a damn religious fascist tax and spend liberal.
Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2010 01:23 PM (e4sSD)
Damn right - the Left does have this cartoony, naive view of The Land, especially when it comes to organic farming. Ironic that Dud talks about this in her piece:
Does Palin really think the average housewife in Ohio who canÂ’t pay her bills is going to load up on ammo, board two different planes, camp out for two nights with a film crew and shoot a caribou so she can feed her family organic food?
Ironic because organic food, on average, is approximately 50% more expensive on average than its non-organic counterpart. And btw, sometimes foods labeled "organic" on the shelves aren't so "organic" after all - some companies use tricks to label their non-organic goods "organic" to induce more people to buy them and to arbitrarily increase the price.
Maybe some of these left-tards that advocate organic on a large scale should try to work on a farm for several days. Farming, as the idyllic job the libs think of it, is brutal and back-breaking work, which is why only 3 or 4% of the US population as a whole do it for a living, and most of them use modern farming techniques.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 08, 2010 01:23 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: Ian S. at December 08, 2010 05:21 PM (p05LM)
They have to have their Emmanuel Goldstein, don't they?
I guess the people they should be mad at (Hillary, etc.) aren't good targets, so they have to pick somebody it's OK to hate.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 08, 2010 01:24 PM (T0NGe)
Meh. Those are used with disdain/as insults on the right because they are held in such esteem by the leftist "elites".
Posted by: Zombie Taft at December 08, 2010 01:24 PM (IuKAf)
Palin goes hunting? Hmm...
I invented hunting. First! I hunt so much I have carpel tunnel syndrome from pulling the trigger so much. And using those bullet-thingies. I also went to great looking outdoor spots before she did.
Posted by: Huckabee at December 08, 2010 01:24 PM (ue0dE)
THE HELL YOU SAY!!!!!!!
You'll pry this keg of Miller Lite out of my COLD DEAD HANDS!!!!!
Please remove that thought from your head.
Posted by: Sponge © at December 08, 2010 05:22 PM (UK9cE)
I smell a banning! Maybe a bonfire and a public execution followed by free Val-U-Rite!
Posted by: Mike Huckabee at December 08, 2010 01:24 PM (x3YFz)
Nitpicking point #2:
This one is directed at Maureen Dowd, who referenced
>> Private Benjamin with her camo
Private Benjamin wore a solid green uniform, not a camouflage pattern.
(And they wonder why people lose confidence in the Paper of Record. It's little, factual things like this they get wrong.)
Posted by: FireHorse at December 08, 2010 01:24 PM (sWynj)
Damned hippies.
Don't disparage the hippies.
They are easy to beat up and they have good weed. This, to me, hints at intelligent design.
Posted by: garrett at December 08, 2010 01:25 PM (69B5a)
Ummm.... no.
Wait! No. That was too fast. Let me think.
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Okay. No.
It stinks. Really, it stinks. It smells almost as foul as cigarette smoke. I really don't understand how anyone can willingly put alcohol in their mouths.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 08, 2010 01:25 PM (8y9MW)
I smell a banning! Maybe a bonfire and a public execution followed by free Val-U-Rite!
Posted by: Mike Huckabee at December 08, 2010 05:24 PM (x3YFz)
See? That Huckabee guy isn't all bad......
Posted by: Sponge © at December 08, 2010 01:26 PM (UK9cE)
The whole notion of paying more for their organic food plays in with the indulgence theory you have raised before. The store isn't bad in the moral or legal since, but it is bad in a financial one. And, it reeks of douchebaggery on an epic scale.
Remember, morons, eating organic and/or non-factory foods is more expensive because of the marketplace. If you can't afford it, that's fine and nothing to be ashamed of. Honest work and honest food are things with inherent dignity.
Not wanting to eat a de-beaked chicken raised in filth and pumped full of hormones isn't a bad thing. Nor is wanting to eat an elk you put a bullet through yourself. It's not irreconcilable, and it's not bad. Whole Foods (or New Seasons, as the case may be) is a good store that allows choice in the market. There's nothing morally grand about shopping there, and there's nothing morally deficient about hitting the Bi-mart or Walmart for groceries.
i will say that getting your kids a diet of food exclusively of the highly processed and be-chemicalled variety can't be good for them or you, and maybe a bit more effort is required. But that's a physical matter, not a moral failing.
It's like Goldberg once wrote: There is a plethora of house-smelly-goody products out there because women don't stay home and clean any more. So the house stinks.
That's a fact, but he got reams of hatemail from defensive, insecure women who objected that they JUST DIDN'T HAVE TIME. As if they have to justify being slobs. Own it. Be it. Women are fiercely defenseive any time you question even one little bit of their competence in what they think it means to be a woman. And usually one's view is in direct contradiction to another's. Hence, bitchy spats.
Oh, and one more thing, MoDo hasn't seen a piece of raw meat since she had that issue with the carpaccio about 2 years ago.
Shit, ace's verbosity's rubbing off.
Posted by: s'moron at December 08, 2010 01:27 PM (UaxA0)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 08, 2010 01:27 PM (QMtmy)
Still, rather enjoyable. But I'm not sure I like how it snuck some Dowd into my brain. Too much of that gives you teh stupid.
Posted by: Original Mikey is now Uncle Mikey at December 08, 2010 01:27 PM (/u95u)
Palin thinks the Bushes are bluebloods? Hmm...
I hate everybody who went to a nice school. Because I didn't get a chance to go to a nice school. Like Reagan. That means I'm one with the people, a regular guy. The kind of guy you could, say, vote for during a primary or, you know, maybe a presidential election.
I hate people with money so much, I'll even be ham-fisted in my attempts to look like a regular person who doesn't own million dollar property in Florida.
Posted by: Huckabee at December 08, 2010 01:30 PM (ue0dE)
"Wikileaks supporters"
is that a euphemism for Enemy of the State, or Terrorist?
Posted by: lolsoothsayer has a yule log he wants you to see at December 08, 2010 05:24 PM (uFokq)
a.k.a. Foreign Service Officer. Our State Dept. has done nothing but undermine national security for, oh, about 90 years running. No branch of the government deserves a witch hunt more than this one. Breeding ground for communists, "progressives," liberals, etc.
Read M. Stanton Evans' book, Blacklisted by History. It's a great historical record of McCarthy's fight against these dirtbags. It's accurate, sourced, and scalding of the "progressives"
Posted by: Mike Huckabee at December 08, 2010 01:30 PM (x3YFz)
The conservative "bedroom" issues are foundational blocks for the maintenance of a workable society. Human biochemistry has some decidedly illogical aspects when it comes to relationships generally and sex specifically. So-cons like order in these arrangements because guides like, say, the Ten Commandments are, in fact, a pretty good tool in avoiding the complications of the aforementioned biochemistry. That kind of organizational underpinning should be a big meta-priority for cultures. It's a "must have."
One step down from this cultural strata is the abortions issue. The greatest challenge abortion rights activists hurl at pro-life advocates is that many are inconsistent since conservatives are generally in favor of capital punishment, too. Voila!!! Logical inconsistency. It's not even close. The respect for life of the abortion foe (no, not the clinic bomber) can logically be reconciled with the demands of a society for responsibility and accountability of its adults through a criminal code. Those are two more big ticket cultural items. I challenge the abortion rights folks to pull the reverse logic together--their logic rests on two pillars that societies can't tolerate in the long run: contempt for the humanity of the unborn and freedom of consequences for bad choices. (Yes, I believe abortion for rape and incest is a different issue because there was no choice.)
As most of the regulars here know, I'm ambivalent about most gay rights issues, but all you women's studies yo-yos know that your view whistles past the graveyard you create for the whole biochemistry issue, which was not, is not and never will be a construct of the oppressive patriarchy. A society of enlightened lesbians would be just as petty and spiteful as the fraternity community at Big State U. I've never met a Vulcan, so quite pretending that we are equipped to act like them. (Star Trek nerds, please feel free to point out the quaint mating practices of Spock and company.)
Leftists, whether they be of the cultural, economic or all-encompassing Jerry Effing Brown variety ignore the big thing and focus on the margins. Rather than talk about what underpins a healthy-as-possible society, they pick at things like "hate speech," which they conveniently subjectively and elastically define; as Ace points out they nanny us about food in such an insulting way that I make it a point to visit a McDonald's regularly "just because; they exacerbate differences under the heading of "diversity" and ignore the inevitable human conflict of all kinds that ensues.
Most tellingly to me, they insist on blaming the wealthy for the evils of poverty instead of stumbling across the ultimate economic truths: Wealth is finite. The unreachable goal of every government should be to get to a point where the numerator of national wealth is so big that it overpowers the denominator and effectively renders it zero. No, we'll never get there, but that is the policy. Leftists have this part perfectly backwards.
They're just not very good at that whole reality thing they lecture us about.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 08, 2010 01:31 PM (U6LOz)
I love hunting and fishing. It is relaxing and exciting all at the same time. There is nothing better than knowing that if it came necessary to feed my family, or protect my family, I could do it. All it takes is a slug.
Posted by: momma at December 08, 2010 01:31 PM (penCf)
Facts just get in the way. They don't need facts, they need snipits that they can warp and spin into what they're trying to say. Facts be damned.
Case in point, earlier it was mentioned that her father tested the gun and realized that the scope was way off. Where the dedicated hunter would've figured that out and switched guns after 2 shots, Sarah wasn't a poor shot as reported. But, since that didn't fit the narrative, it was omitted.
The media in this country is loosing its ass and it has no idea why. I just laugh.
Back when I was in college, my Political Science prof made me use the NYT for current events each week. I thought it was the worst written piece of trash I'd ever read and couldn't believe that is was a highly regarded news source. And this was back in the EARLY 90's. It's gone nowhere but down hill from there.
Posted by: Sponge © at December 08, 2010 01:32 PM (UK9cE)
Yeah, WF is a bit expensive. I only go there when I pass by one. Not often since there are none in the 'hood.
Posted by: baldilocks at December 08, 2010 01:32 PM (t2hll)
What do you get when put Jimmy Carter, Gomer Pyle, and Lamar Alexander all in a bag and shake 'em up?
Posted by: lolsoothsayer has a yule log he wants you to see at December 08, 2010 01:32 PM (uFokq)
FIFY
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 08, 2010 05:14 PM (R2fpr)
That, or "get the ironing board," as in Norma Rae:
"You want cookin'? I'm cookin'. You want ironin'? I'm ironin'. You wanna make love? Lift up the back of my nighty and we'll make love."
Posted by: stuiec at December 08, 2010 01:32 PM (chhYn)
Palin drives herself around town? Hmm...
I invented driving. I drive everywhere. I drove to Europe once.
Posted by: Huckabee at December 08, 2010 01:32 PM (ue0dE)
Posted by: stace at December 08, 2010 01:32 PM (8PLOi)
In movies with animals, they often have a line in the credits assuring that no animals were harmed. In “Sarah Palin’s Alaska,” they should have a line at the end assuring that “almost every living creature involved in this show was harmed.”
It's not often that I agree with Dowd but that line is freaking awesome.
Posted by: Max Entropy at December 08, 2010 01:33 PM (lH6z9)
You go to college and you meet a bunch of folks like this. "Animal cruelty is wrong! killing is wrong! I'll have the t-bone, thanks."
Posted by: GMan at December 08, 2010 01:34 PM (fW0wg)
Wonderful essay. As a cooking show junkie I can pretty much recite all the organic/local/slow food bullshit by heart. I laughed out loud at Palin's mention of "organic" because she obviously has no idea what "organic" really means. It means making a living selling over priced fruits, vegetables, and "proteins" to restaurants that then make more money by overcharging their hapless, clueless customers.
As for the bake sale controversy? The cynic in me says it has nothing to do with childhood obesity or the nanny state. School fundraising is big business. My kid is out of school now, but every year she brought home a beautiful glossy brochure with all kinds of products the school expected us to sell to raise funds for the school. My guess is that any school district that uses the new law to stop bake sales will do so based on who will gain financially. Probably someone's brother-in-law.
Posted by: Jaynie59 at December 08, 2010 01:34 PM (YjQWV)
I've been wondering if publishing all Wikileaks account information so people can go in and steal all their money would count as 'information must be free.'
Posted by: nickless© at December 08, 2010 01:34 PM (MMC8r)
Well I'd like to say that I rather like Whole foods. I don't love it, but it's good. I like that I can buy like a pound of cooked bacon there for like 7 bucks.
Posted by: ace at December 08, 2010 04:52 PM (nj1bB)
Did somebody say 'bacon?' Mmmm.
Posted by: baldilocks at December 08, 2010 01:34 PM (t2hll)
It stinks. Really, it stinks. It smells almost as foul as cigarette smoke. I really don't understand how anyone can willingly put alcohol in their mouths.
NOT TRUE!!!! Alcohol, when mixed with the proper substances, is quite pleasant. Its only when abused and comes back up later on the living room floor does it have a really bad smell.
Posted by: Sponge © at December 08, 2010 01:34 PM (UK9cE)
Not wanting to eat a de-beaked chicken raised in filth and pumped full of hormones isn't a bad thing. Nor is wanting to eat an elk you put a bullet through yourself. It's not irreconcilable, and it's not bad. Whole Foods (or New Seasons, as the case may be) is a good store that allows choice in the market. There's nothing morally grand about shopping there, and there's nothing morally deficient about hitting the Bi-mart or Walmart for groceries.
Posted by: s'moron at December 08, 2010 05:27 PM (UaxA0)
Dude. PROTIP: do NOT shop for food at wally world. Ever. Never. Neverever. I'm talking worst food on earth ever.
Unless there is a zombie apocalypse, do NOT put that food inside of you. Believe me.
Did I say Never? NEVER!
Posted by: Mike Huckabee at December 08, 2010 01:34 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: momma at December 08, 2010 05:31 PM (penCf)
Heh. Please note that it's called "hunting" rather than "killing" for a reason.
Posted by: maddogg at December 08, 2010 01:34 PM (OlN4e)
"You want cookin'? I'm cookin'. You want ironin'? I'm ironin'. You wanna make love? Lift up the back of my nighty and we'll make love."
Posted by: lolsoothsayer has a yule log he wants you to see at December 08, 2010 01:34 PM (uFokq)
Posted by: iknowtheleft®© at December 08, 2010 05:23 PM (G/MYk)
Just wanted to say this is a great comment.
Posted by: blue star at December 08, 2010 01:36 PM (xqyiz)
It is simply part of Alaskan culture to bag your food for the winter. I have friends who grew up there and still live there, and they would always tell me about their fall hunts - well, we bagged a moose today, so we have meat for the winter stocked in the freezer. It's just how they roll. Maureen Dowd can't possibly accept that. No, a woman in Iowa isn't necessarily going to be able to do that, but neither can Alaskans just run out to Whole Foods in the middle of the winter to nab some organic yogurt. You stock your freezer; it's just done.
And frankly, as someone from a state FULL of wild turkeys, I'd really love a fresh bird myself, but our gun laws are so prohibitive that it's really, really, really hard to do that.
I do hate racing cars, though - I think it has more to do with being a girl than it does with any cultural bias. I have nothing against rednecks; I come from proud rednecks, so there you go.
Posted by: Anniee451 at December 08, 2010 01:36 PM (kwojf)
Posted by: nickless© at December 08, 2010 01:38 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Smart Mumbler at December 08, 2010 01:38 PM (ue0dE)
Sorkin's the guy who thought having a character on Studio 60 whine "MY BROTHER IS STUCK IN A FIELD IN AFGHANISTAN!" was clever political commentary. QED.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 08, 2010 01:38 PM (p05LM)
Posted by: real joe at December 08, 2010 05:37 PM (IpIBJ)
you first. wear a helmet.
Posted by: tangonine at December 08, 2010 01:38 PM (x3YFz)
He's old and I'm wrong.
Posted by: garrett at December 08, 2010 05:19 PM (69B5a)
Chuck is old and his daughter Sarah is wrong (or at least, still his little girl, at least when they're out hunting). So it's unsurprising that she'd let him tell her to keep firing after the second miss -- because obviously his little girl still needed to settle.
Which is why even after she nailed the caribou with her first shot from the other rifle, Chuck still needed to prove that there was nothing wrong with her own rifle. Surprise, surprise: there was.
So rather than being an incompetent markswoman, I'd say Sarah is a dutiful and respectful daughter.
Posted by: stuiec at December 08, 2010 01:39 PM (chhYn)
I see you've never been near a good absinthe, louched to perfection. It costs a mint, but it's oh. so. worth it.
Posted by: Anniee451 at December 08, 2010 01:39 PM (kwojf)
Posted by: archie bunker at December 08, 2010 01:40 PM (0YS61)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 08, 2010 01:41 PM (pLTLS)
This all has to do with Unions. We had a huge dust-up over what some Central Ohio schools were allowed to sell/not sell last year (no bake sales, car washes, etc.). It finally came out that the schools were only allowed to sell shit that was made in an unionized plant. Turns out the teachers union beat the gov't to this 'control' by putting it in their damn contracts. Since this became common knowledge, nearly ever school levy (ours school taxes are still attached to property owners...apparently people that live in apartments don't have school aged children) has failed around here.
Posted by: momma at December 08, 2010 01:41 PM (penCf)
Tiny little flakes of cold, white global warming are falling on the island where we live in Savannah.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 08, 2010 01:41 PM (UOM48)
Can you think of a single unique cool thing about Obama that he can share with the American people?
As in Americana, you know?
Posted by: lolsoothsayer has a yule log he wants you to see at December 08, 2010 01:41 PM (uFokq)
I'd love to see the sorts of mental putting-it-into-reverse-while-going-65 stunts that would ensue if WL posted EU secret documents or Obama's college transcripts or something. Too bad there's no chance of that.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 08, 2010 01:41 PM (p05LM)
He's old and I'm wrong.
Posted by: garrett at December 08, 2010 05:19 PM (69B5a)
Chuck is old and his daughter Sarah is wrong (or at least, still his little girl, at least when they're out hunting). So it's unsurprising that she'd let him tell her to keep firing after the second miss -- because obviously his little girl still needed to settle.
Which is why even after she nailed the caribou with her first shot from the other rifle, Chuck still needed to prove that there was nothing wrong with her own rifle. Surprise, surprise: there was.
So rather than being an incompetent markswoman, I'd say Sarah is a dutiful and respectful daughter.
Posted by: stuiec at December 08, 2010 05:39 PM (chhYn)
This is why you zero your rifle and understand long distance marksmanship before you engage your target.
Posted by: tangonine at December 08, 2010 01:42 PM (x3YFz)
What does Obama like? What is he good at?
Does he have hobbies or interests besides ordinary shit like golf and b-ball?
Posted by: lolsoothsayer has a yule log he wants you to see at December 08, 2010 01:42 PM (uFokq)
Does anybody make textiles (in mass quantities) in the US anymore?
Look for the union label/ If you want to be out of a job...
Posted by: AmishDude at December 08, 2010 01:42 PM (T0NGe)
Palin flies out to hunt? Hmm...
When I fly out to hunt, I glue feathers to my arms. I don't use one of those swanky, sophisticated airplanes. Because that's what real, average Joes do.
Posted by: Huckabee at December 08, 2010 01:42 PM (ue0dE)
Can you think of a single unique cool thing about Obama that he can share with the American people?
As in Americana, you know?
Posted by: lolsoothsayer has a yule log he wants you to see at December 08, 2010 05:41 PM (uFokq)
His college transcripts? Would LOVE to see those.
Posted by: tangonine at December 08, 2010 01:43 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 08, 2010 01:43 PM (UOM48)
So, basically it was a twofer: a stab at capitalism and an acknowledgment that the Left believes that they have to make the choices for minorities because we're too genetically inferior to make the "correct" ones for ourselves.
Posted by: baldilocks at December 08, 2010 01:43 PM (t2hll)
I had to stop. Was there a point I missed?
Apparently Ace got some good Hash and he'd now like to make love to your trash.
Posted by: garrett at December 08, 2010 01:43 PM (69B5a)
This is why you zero your rifle and understand long distance marksmanship before you engage your target.
Posted by: tangonine at December 08, 2010 05:42 PM (x3YFz)
Yep.
Posted by: maddogg at December 08, 2010 01:43 PM (OlN4e)
Posted by: archie bunker at December 08, 2010 05:40 PM (0YS61)
So? You're an annoying ass for every mile, but don't NEED to be. We don't hold that against you....wait......never mind.
Posted by: Sponge © at December 08, 2010 01:44 PM (UK9cE)
We know absolutely nothing about Obama's childhood.
Zero. Nada.
Does Obama have any old friends besides his terrorist mentors?
Posted by: lolsoothsayer has a yule log he wants you to see at December 08, 2010 01:44 PM (uFokq)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 08, 2010 01:44 PM (UOM48)
Well I'd like to say that I rather like Whole foods. I don't love it, but it's good. I like that I can buy like a pound of cooked bacon there for like 7 bucks.
Posted by: ace at December 08, 2010 04:52 PM (nj1bB)
Did somebody say 'bacon?' Mmmm.
Posted by: baldilocks at December 08, 2010 05:34 PM (t2hll)
There's a lot of pretty cheap liquor for sale at those trendy liberal grocery stores. Kind of makes you wonder why.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 08, 2010 01:45 PM (z1N6a)
Can Obama play a musical instrument?
Can he run a marathon?
Posted by: lolsoothsayer has a yule log he wants you to see at December 08, 2010 05:43 PM (uFokq)
He can get WTFPWNT on the basketball court playing with a bunch of ivy league grads who wouldn't know a basketball from a clown shoe. That help?
Posted by: tangonine at December 08, 2010 01:45 PM (x3YFz)
I'm a complete non-drinker and I agree with you. People don't understand it, but alcohol to me just smells foul.
Posted by: nickless© at December 08, 2010 01:45 PM (MMC8r)
That's so late 70's, Mrs. D'oh. Radioactive isotopes in morning tea is the in-thing!
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 08, 2010 01:45 PM (c0A3e)
They are what they claim to hate the most: Hypocrites.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 08, 2010 01:45 PM (T0NGe)
Does anybody make textiles (in mass quantities) in the US anymore?
Look for the union label/ If you want to be out of a job...
More of a unavoidable migration. Textiles are usually the first industrial development and has circled the globe in search of the lowest cost center. Places like Bangladesh are current hotspots.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 08, 2010 01:47 PM (U6LOz)
Posted by: I Miss NYC Food at December 08, 2010 01:47 PM (AYAWx)
Posted by: TheRealMikeHuckabee at December 08, 2010 01:47 PM (nZ34l)
Posted by: maddogg at December 08, 2010 01:47 PM (OlN4e)
We know absolutely nothing about Obama's childhood.
Zero. Nada.
Does Obama have any old friends besides his terrorist mentors?
Posted by: lolsoothsayer has a yule log he wants you to see at December 08, 2010 05:44 PM (uFokq)
short answer: Captain Bullshit signed an executive order prohibiting anyone from divulging any record of his life. He's THAT fucking embarrassed that it was the FIRST thing he did when he soiled the chair in the oval office. What a pussy.
Posted by: tangonine at December 08, 2010 01:48 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: newser at December 08, 2010 01:48 PM (0MrVN)
That's not true. His personal fluffer played basketball at Duke. Was he there when that happened?
Posted by: Sponge © at December 08, 2010 01:48 PM (UK9cE)
Didn't you mean, "you are not my parent"?
Posted by: KG at December 08, 2010 01:48 PM (2pDBV)
Exactly. Proves my point. In fact, it migrated faster because of Norma Rae.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 08, 2010 01:48 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: TheRealMikeHuckabee at December 08, 2010 01:48 PM (nZ34l)
Posted by: Brevity is the art of communication at December 08, 2010 01:49 PM (vtVVo)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 08, 2010 04:54 PM (8y9MW)
These Leftist broads are still playing out their high school dramas wrt to the Palin women. She's the pretty, popular girl who they hated, who married the BMOC and turned out happy and blessed. They can't stand that. /as a broad myself, I know
Posted by: baldilocks at December 08, 2010 01:49 PM (t2hll)
Mrs. AllenG and I went to her company's Christmas party last weekend. They had an open bar (beyond the stench of alcohol on everyone's breath- getting to be surrounded by people you don't like who are all drunk. Yay.) She had one drink and I couldn't even kiss her until she'd done something about her breath. It was terrible.
Part of it, I'm sure, was the alcohol- She wanted a Crown & Coke but had to settle for Jack & Coke, and I'm sure they got the cheapest Jack available. But still... yech. Even wine smells horrible to me.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 08, 2010 01:49 PM (8y9MW)
I had to stop. Was there a point I missed?
Apparently Ace got some good Hash and he'd now like to make love to your trash.
Posted by: garrett at December 08, 2010 05:43 PM (69B5a)
Clearly wasn't mine. I continue to GBXon and on and on...
Posted by: AoSHQ's DarkLord© at December 08, 2010 01:50 PM (GBXon)
Personality
Intelligence &
Motivation
I came up with it after the gov response to the Challenger accident. They have a Quality, Cost & Schedule balance on all large projects. It was the pressure of schedule and cost that caused the quality malfunction.
In the liberals zeal to dictate policy, the Motivation for all things Marxist rings clear.
All that to say " nice post ace".
Posted by: sTevo at December 08, 2010 01:51 PM (VMcEw)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at December 08, 2010 01:51 PM (nZ34l)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 08, 2010 01:51 PM (U6LOz)
no nukes!
holy shit, just look at all the ways the Left has tried to sabotage our nation's economy
Posted by: lolsoothsayer has a yule log he wants you to see at December 08, 2010 01:51 PM (uFokq)
Barack Obama, night out in New York, on the taxpayer's dime. Lather-rinse-repeat.
Posted by: nickless© at December 08, 2010 01:51 PM (MMC8r)
Thinking too much again. You are trying to create a moral equivalence between Left and Right that does not exist. Leftist hate the things the Right does because the Right does them. They don't dislike the Right because of what they do. Sarah Palin isn't bad because she hunts, hunting is bad because Sarah Palin does it. What was the Left's reaction to John Kerry shooting geese?
Whereas on the Right, we tend to dislike what they do. For example, I am not going to suddenly say, hey, banging a dude in the ass is cool just because Ann Coulter went to GOProud.
Posted by: blaster at December 08, 2010 01:51 PM (MrMxG)
They're not kids....they're a tax deduction and a prop to get him elected. The staged photo of the one crawling around the sofa in the oval office just to show that he's a 'loving family man working hard for his children' kinda proves that.
Posted by: Sponge © at December 08, 2010 01:51 PM (UK9cE)
Can he run a marathon?
Well, we know he is probably the only President ever to doink and/or clean the pole (and shave) of a SUPER-EWOK. (for those that missed it)(you are sooo welcome)
Posted by: momma at December 08, 2010 01:52 PM (penCf)
Does Palin really think the average housewife in Ohio who canÂ’t pay her bills is going to load up on ammo, board two different planes, camp out for two nights with a film crew and shoot a caribou so she can feed her family organic food?
Ironic because organic food, on average, is approximately 50% more expensive on average than its non-organic counterpart. And btw, sometimes foods labeled "organic" on the shelves aren't so "organic" after all - some companies use tricks to label their non-organic goods "organic" to induce more people to buy them and to arbitrarily increase the price.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 08, 2010 05:23 PM (c0A3e)
My older sister is an average housewife in Ohio. Her husband hunts deer and geese and they eat them. Last time I was there they had 8 buck heads mounted in the living room - the joke was that Alan was gunning for Rudolph the next year.
You don't have to travel thousands of miles for game. It exists all over. You can bow-hunt deer in the parks inside the Chicago city limits.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 08, 2010 01:52 PM (z1N6a)
That's not true. His personal fluffer played basketball at Duke. Was he there when that happened?
Posted by: Sponge © at December 08, 2010 05:48 PM (UK9cE)
The guys at Hillbuzz are 99.9% sure Obama is gay. No offense at all intended to the Hillbuzz guys, but: they would know. Believe me/them. He's gay.
Posted by: tangonine at December 08, 2010 01:53 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: nickless© at December 08, 2010 05:51 PM (MMC8r)
Not mentioning that 99.995% of hunters don't hunt because of NEED.....but because they like the taste of what they bring home and CHOOSE to.
Posted by: Sponge © at December 08, 2010 01:53 PM (UK9cE)
And john Ryan decides to grace us with his presence.
JR, you should spend less time posting inane comments and more time thanking God that stupid isn't physically painful.
Posted by: Slublog at December 08, 2010 01:53 PM (sVJzN)
Posted by: archie bunker at December 08, 2010 05:40 PM (0YS61)
Except that there aren't any human settlements within a couple hundred miles of where she was hunting. Which subsistence hunters are you talking about, dumbass?
Posted by: stuiec at December 08, 2010 01:54 PM (chhYn)
Whereas on the Right, we tend to dislike what
they do. For example, I am not going to suddenly say, hey, banging a
dude in the ass is cool just because Ann Coulter went to GOProud.
Posted by: blaster at December 08, 2010 05:51 PM (MrMxG)
The difference is that most on the right simply reserve the right to dislike and not approve of the Left - they aren't on a mission to change them. The Left can't stand that, and project their own control freak impulses onto them.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 08, 2010 01:54 PM (z1N6a)
no nukes!
holy shit, just look at all the ways the Left has tried to sabotage our nation's economy
Posted by: lolsoothsayer has a yule log he wants you to see at December 08, 2010 05:51 PM (uFokq)
wtf? I smell a rat.
Posted by: tangonine at December 08, 2010 01:54 PM (x3YFz)
Allen G , does that mean our imaginary affair is over?
sipping a margartia , gently blows smoke into your eyes
Posted by: willow's sick of it all at December 08, 2010 01:54 PM (h+qn8)
Got a cite on that perchance? I don't doubt he's that thin-skinned, I just hadn't heard that before that I can remember.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 08, 2010 01:54 PM (p05LM)
Can you think of a single unique cool thing about Obama that he can share with the American people?
No, but I think Michelle is a gardening enthusiast.
(Or am I thinking of Kim Wilde? Which one did that duet with Nena a few years ago?)
Posted by: FireHorse at December 08, 2010 01:54 PM (sWynj)
Even the way he talks about his girls -- there's no love there, no feeling.
Oh, I agree. I do think the man is a sociopath and I'm quite serious about it.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 08, 2010 01:54 PM (T0NGe)
268
I disagree. In my experience, it's the girls who were the most popular in high school who are the biggest haters of women like Palin. The former my-shit-doesn't-stink homecoming queens and wanna be's who were the center of attention at 17 and are now facing 40 with a bald overweight husband and two kids they can't stand.
I've seen it time and again with the women I've worked with. The younger and prettier and smarter a woman is the more they're hated.
Posted by: Jaynie59 at December 08, 2010 01:55 PM (YjQWV)
A conservative wants people to do the things that he already does: own guns, say, or pray in public.
A liberal wants people to do things that he would never, ever consider doing, like paying higher taxes or busing his kids to a school across town.
Great article, Ace.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 08, 2010 01:55 PM (bvfVF)
That ass is NOWHERE near big enough......have they actually SEEN the first lady?
Posted by: Sponge © at December 08, 2010 01:55 PM (UK9cE)
The guys at Hillbuzz are 99.9%
sure Obama is gay. No offense at all intended to the Hillbuzz guys,
but: they would know. Believe me/them. He's gay.
Posted by: tangonine at December 08, 2010 05:53 PM (x3YFz)
Well, he loves a man to the exclusion of all others, that's for sure. But since that man is Barry Obama, I don't think that makes him gay.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 08, 2010 01:56 PM (z1N6a)
Balducci's rules, though I haven't been to NYC in 15 years.
Nowadays I settle for the little hispanic market down the street here. Cheaper and fresher than the big supermarkets.
Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 08, 2010 01:56 PM (QMtmy)
Of course he's a sociopath.
Read Robin of Berkely over at American Thinker. She eviscerates the Man-Child. [She's a shrink and a recovering lib still living in Berkely].
Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 08, 2010 01:56 PM (pLTLS)
A lot less funny when you realize I've actually had my very own crazy stalker.
That was a creepy experience.
But, in the spirit of camaraderie: As long as it's imaginary, go for it.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 08, 2010 01:57 PM (8y9MW)
I'm of the opinion that if the leftards offer "Palin stole a caribou (as televised national television)," we've won.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 08, 2010 01:57 PM (U6LOz)
Notice we never SEE Obama playing b-ball? We only see short clips of Obama making a successful shot.
And we never ever see Obama playing golf.
We only HEAR of these things.
Posted by: lolsoothsayer has a yule log he wants you to see at December 08, 2010 01:57 PM (uFokq)
Posted by: rdbrewer at December 08, 2010 01:58 PM (ue0dE)
So instead of Homosexual he's Autosexual? That could explain things...
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 08, 2010 01:58 PM (8y9MW)
I don't think Obama *plays* basketball.
I think Obama stands around the hoop and takes shots.
He plays H-O-R-S-E and shit like that.
Posted by: lolsoothsayer has a yule log he wants you to see at December 08, 2010 01:59 PM (uFokq)
Remember, by his own book's admission, he's a tall black dude who rode the bench in high school behind a bunch of 5'6" Asians. I would assume he's spectacularly bad at basketball.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 08, 2010 01:59 PM (p05LM)
What's funny is that I am an average housewife from Ohio that can only pay her bills because I/hubby hunt and fish. We also don't go on awesome vacations...we go camping. We have a very tight budget (with no extra spending cash) and the main reason we make it work is because we don't have to buy meat or pay for the processing.
Posted by: momma at December 08, 2010 02:00 PM (penCf)
Posted by: RondinellaMamma at December 08, 2010 02:01 PM (wHdL5)
Hey, give the Shankapotomous credit -- he leaves behind divots like I've never seen. It's pretty epic.And think about it-- he gets in at least a round two/three times a month. You know he's practicing his swing in the West Wing too. And he still fucking sucks. At some point you improve. Golf is challenging but not impossible. The swing is repetition - nothing more. and he's still an abject failure.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 08, 2010 02:02 PM (pLTLS)
With his skinny, limp wrists flying. Just once, I want to see him do a header down the stairs. Maybe just enough to bang up that airborne nose.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 08, 2010 02:03 PM (UOM48)
Translation: Them hobos is tasty.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 08, 2010 02:04 PM (U6LOz)
btw, if Sarah Palin ever wrote/said housewife, the Left would shit bricks..
You're supposed to call them stay-at-home-moms or independent married woman.
Posted by: lolsoothsayer has a yule log he wants you to see at December 08, 2010 02:04 PM (uFokq)
293: A conservative wants people to do the things that he already does: own guns, say, or pray in public.
I think it's more basic than that, Beck. A conservative speaks and acts according to his conscience and wants others to do the same. Conservatives want to live their lives and want others to live theirs.
You're dead-on right regarding the principle; the details don't really matter much.
Posted by: FireHorse at December 08, 2010 02:04 PM (sWynj)
When "the gay" issue, accepting gays, gay marriage, gay adoption, etc comes up, I generally tell people I dont care, not an issue with me. But if someone were to tell me I have to accept gays, I have to accept gay marriage, I tell people no I dont have to, I choose to. Now if you tell me I have to, I am going to tell you to go F yourself.
only I dont say F, I say fuck.
Posted by: AndrewsDad at December 08, 2010 02:05 PM (C2//T)
Posted by: GMan
Too true!
Favorite moment, though: A young man had bought two crabs for the dinner he was cooking for his girlfriend. She walked into the kitchen, took one look, said, "You can't cook them! They're cute!" scooped 'em up and walked out.
Eventually, I'm sure the crab met their fate, but it was a classic moment.
Posted by: Dianna at December 08, 2010 02:05 PM (qrFCz)
You know, you're right. I'd really love for her to do that now- just so we could watch the heads of the Kathleen Parker/Peggy Noonan/Maureen Dowd/Rachel Maddow all explode.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 08, 2010 02:05 PM (8y9MW)
Allen G very sorry to bring up a bad time, it was meant light heartedly.
Posted by: willow's sick of it all at December 08, 2010 02:06 PM (h+qn8)
Thread-winner. Yes, scroll back up and read it.
Posted by: baldilocks at December 08, 2010 02:06 PM (t2hll)
Sean Hannity still rags on his old producer for taking the live lobster he lobster-grammed to her and putting it in the lake- complete with rubber bands still on its claws.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 08, 2010 02:07 PM (8y9MW)
I must be a conservative liberal. I too, turn off the Spanish language stations, but I'd listen to Shakira sing, even if I didn't understand the words. I will say I prefer the video.
I don't see the point in NASCAR, but I don't feel some need to badmouth it. Cricket and tennis and bowling and curling have fans, too. There are other sports, and other pastimes. I am better off if everybody doesn't like what I do. It makes for shorter lines.
Posted by: MarkD at December 08, 2010 02:08 PM (0Jy1K)
To elaborate:
Liberals (by means of legislation) seek to force me to adhere to whatever fads enter their fluffy little heads, at the point of a gun.
Social conservatives, especially the dreaded Evangelical Christians will most urgently plead with me to not be a complete tool and shake their head sadly, knowing I'm going to burn in hell for all eternity, even if I am a pretty jake neighbor!
Do I have this right?
Me?
I'd just as soon hang out with conservative types who truly believe I'm likely scheduled for eternal damnation and hellfire than any sort of jack-wagon that's spent any fucking time in the Peace Corps or taught "Head Start" classes in an "inner city school" before going on to get their MA.
But that's just me.
Must be a cultural bias..
Nah! Professing christians are just nicer people than most.
Nothing against teh coservative Joos!
I'm quite sure that you lot are as eminently sensible and kind as my christian friends.
You're just not that common...
In my limited experience.
Posted by: Deety erasing gaps in her Knowledge at December 08, 2010 02:08 PM (Jb3+B)
really Maureen... you are giving credence to Levi?
Bitter much, Maureen? Nobody will ever tune in to see you do diddly jack shit like they will for Palin.
Posted by: Timbo at December 08, 2010 02:08 PM (ph9vn)
I know, thus the last line.
I don't expect people here to know about my past (Dear Lord, I hope not). It was more cautionary (whoops! there was a line there, please don't cross it again) than it was upset or anything like that.
If I didn't tell you, you wouldn't know.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 08, 2010 02:09 PM (8y9MW)
Ayup.
Posted by: someone at December 08, 2010 02:09 PM (DfAwB)
Cricket and tennis and bowling and curling have fans, too.
Cricket has fans on other continents.
And no one is a fan of curling.
Posted by: lolsoothsayer has a yule log he wants you to see at December 08, 2010 02:10 PM (uFokq)
Posted by: PaleRider at December 08, 2010 02:10 PM (dkExz)
Posted by: lolsoothsayer has a yule log he wants you to see
Male organ, no doubt.
Posted by: sTevo at December 08, 2010 02:10 PM (VMcEw)
Posted by: Jean at December 08, 2010 02:10 PM (CPefM)
That is amazingly cruel! Wow!
Even dropping it in the boiling water tail-first is kinder!
Posted by: Dianna at December 08, 2010 02:11 PM (qrFCz)
I KNEW "skin-flute" was gonna show up when I typed that.
Thank you, AoS community for not letting me down.
Posted by: lolsoothsayer has a yule log he wants you to see at December 08, 2010 02:11 PM (uFokq)
Posted by: someone at December 08, 2010 02:12 PM (DfAwB)
The post is long, but genius.
Couple of points:
1) People always think other people are just like them. Because of this, liberals always assume that they are one law away from being sent to gas chambers if the Republicans take power, since, well, it is what they would do to us if they could get away with it.
2) Natural food like caribou is all well and dandy...unless you are the caribou.
Posted by: Alaskan caribou at December 08, 2010 02:13 PM (1vG6v)
And she claims, to this day as far as I know that she "couldn't kill it. It was too cute." Seriously. She then claims she didn't realize there was a difference between fresh water and salt water, and that she didn't undo the rubber bands because it might try to pinch her.
Besides her rank liberalism, I think I see another reason she's Hannity's ex-producer.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 08, 2010 02:13 PM (8y9MW)
Robin Hanson and Tyler Cowen have written a lot about this type of stuff. Hanson's big insight is that a lot of politics is about status. We want to see groups we like and identify with raised up in status, and we want to see groups we dislike lowered in status.
All the speechifying and verbal fog thrown up to justify opinions to ourselves and others is in many ways meaningless.
Everything is status. We are designed to crave it. We can't escape it.
Posted by: bobbo at December 08, 2010 02:14 PM (QcFbt)
Posted by: Jean at December 08, 2010 02:15 PM (CPefM)
Posted by: SarahW at December 08, 2010 02:15 PM (Z4T49)
Posted by: Whatever at December 08, 2010 02:16 PM (IRMTX)
IÂ’m late to the thread and the topic has probably already veered off but I just want to say that I thought this was a very well written post. Sometimes your longer posts lose me, but this one kept me reading to the end. And it also presented a way of looking at something, juxtaposing two ideas that I hadnÂ’t even thought to juxtapose before you suggested it, so I feel like I learned something or processed something new just reading it.
Posted by: ParanoidChristmasShopperInSeattle at December 08, 2010 02:16 PM (RZ8pf)
People always think other people are just like them.
Which is why I'm amazed that so many people hate Spanish-language radio. I don't get it where I live, so I wouldn't know how bad it is. Do these stations not play Selena?
Posted by: FireHorse at December 08, 2010 02:16 PM (sWynj)
AllenG, a woman looked at an undersea cockroach and thought it was too cute to kill? Good lord!
Even my friend at least limited her momentary insanity to crabs, which have some prayer of cuteness, if you squint and turn your head right!
Yes, I see why the lady is no longer Hannity's producer. Silliness that comprehensive is probably toxic in even small quantities.
Posted by: Dianna at December 08, 2010 02:16 PM (qrFCz)
Every time I see a "Miller" sign, I think about their apparent sponsorship of some of the big "La Raza" demonstrations. Or at least, their attempt to capitalize on them (which is almost forgivable).
I'm also saddened that Miller/Coors is one of the few national beer brands that is still an American company. So I can drink a Blue Moon now and then (made by Miller/Coors). But I still have a hard time thinking of Miller as "Beer." Coors is the club soda of beer. Works alright on a hot day, though.
Posted by: K~Bob at December 08, 2010 02:16 PM (oRf9m)
Oh we just paid out 4.6 billion in reparations for non-existent claims.
Let the good times roll.
Well she did say that he was never going to let us go back to our lives as usual.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 08, 2010 02:17 PM (pLTLS)
Posted by: ParisParamus at December 08, 2010 02:19 PM (TIL7n)
Most of my friends who drink beer (very, very few, even among the ones who drink at all) are all of the opinion that American beer from the major breweries all sucks. They're okay with Shiner and some of the micro-breweries.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 08, 2010 02:19 PM (8y9MW)
People like this, and I include Aaron "hunting is bad but I eat meat" Sorkin in their number, don't seem to realize that every time they order the steak, they have just contributed to the death of the animal that provided it.
Sure, Sorkin may not have killed the animal himself, but in eating that steak, he created the economic need that necessitated the animal's death. Heck, the animal killed by a hunter probably had a better life and a more humane death than the one whose cooked flesh he orders at a restaurant.
Posted by: Slublog at December 08, 2010 02:19 PM (sVJzN)
Posted by: Randy at December 08, 2010 02:20 PM (D0PNd)
I'm also saddened that Miller/Coors is one of the few national beer brands that is still an American company.
Actually, it's Molson-Coors (Canada) and SAB-Miller (South Africa). Sorry.
Fortunately, people can acquire a taste for Genny Cream Ale.
Posted by: FireHorse at December 08, 2010 02:20 PM (sWynj)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 08, 2010 02:20 PM (pLTLS)
Posted by: bobbo at December 08, 2010 02:20 PM (QcFbt)
Posted by: lolsoothsayer has a yule log he wants you to see at December 08, 2010 06:10 PM (uFokq)
Ahem!
Posted by: Beer Drinking Bar Athletes at December 08, 2010 02:21 PM (oRf9m)
What a dope... did you see the show? There is NO POPULATION anywhere near where she went.
Posted by: Timbo at December 08, 2010 02:22 PM (ph9vn)
Posted by: momma at December 08, 2010 06:00 PM (penCf)
My manager at a Silicon Valley network hardware company (this was 200
made ends meet by hunting: geese, elk, wild boar, and such. Six-figure salaries don't go nearly as far these days as they used to, especially in the San Francisco Bay Area. (Funny thing is, he's a die-hard Liberal.)
Posted by: stuiec at December 08, 2010 02:22 PM (chhYn)
Posted by: Jean at December 08, 2010 02:23 PM (CPefM)
I think it's a bit of both. Perhaps it's the type of woman who mad different choices in her life than SP did and has not taken responsibility for the resultant unhappiness. Instead of doing that, it's easier to hate the woman and all of her works, which includes her children.
Related: a while back, Ace speculated that SP's existence drove Andrew Sullivan into a permanent state of psychosis because she may have nudged whatever vestige of heterosexuality that may have still been (barely) breathing--making him aware of the road not taken. It was a brilliant peace of arm-chair psychoanalysis, if you'll pardon the pun.
Posted by: baldilocks at December 08, 2010 02:23 PM (t2hll)
I think most Liberals have forgotten the fact that, with a very few climatological exceptions, the cow would be extinct (well, 'endangered,' anyway) if it weren't so tasty. Deer provide better leather, goats provide better milk (I'm told, I've never had any), and sheep (which tend to share the same environmental needs as cows) actually bite grass so far down that cows can't eat it.
They exist as domesticated animals only because they're really, really tasty.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 08, 2010 02:23 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 08, 2010 02:23 PM (ccPlf)
Aww, I think lobsters are cute. Of course, my sense of cuteness is admittedly warped as hell, and I would still eat them. The only reason I don't is lobster is too bloody expensive and the most ridiculous pain in the ass to eat.
Posted by: thisheavenlyhell at December 08, 2010 02:23 PM (8uDC8)
Posted by: archie bunker at December 08, 2010 05:40 PM (0YS61)
Is there a shortage? What an idiot.
Posted by: tcn at December 08, 2010 02:24 PM (+dwY/)
Posted by: dr kill at December 08, 2010 02:24 PM (le5qc)
Actually, it's Molson-Coors (Canada) and SAB-Miller (South Africa). Sorry.
Fortunately, people can acquire a taste for Genny Cream Ale.
Posted by: FireHorse at December 08, 2010 06:20 PM (sWynj)
I suggest a lil'; bit of Googlin'.
Figures. They own Foster's. Vickie's is better.
Posted by: MillerCoors at December 08, 2010 02:25 PM (oRf9m)
Posted by: A.G. at December 08, 2010 02:26 PM (oAVyq)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 08, 2010 06:13 PM (8y9MW)
Unless she has a picture of it popping its head out from under her sweater between her boobs, I call bullshit on the "too cute to kill" line. If you can't tolerate it crossing your own bare flesh, you don't really believe it's cute.
Posted by: stuiec at December 08, 2010 02:26 PM (chhYn)
Liberals want to control what you do, down to the minutiae.
A close relative of mine works for one of the Government Depts. His entire life has been spent doing nothing useful - just coming up with ways to restrict what we're allowed to do. One of his big issues is to ban all big cars because they're "bad" and no one "needs" them.
Posted by: soulpile at December 08, 2010 02:26 PM (gH+Hj)
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at December 08, 2010 02:26 PM (eCAn3)
I dunno. I was able to listen while I worked nights for a while, and she was incredibly ditzy. She made rain puddles seem deep by comparison.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 08, 2010 02:28 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Mayor Bloomberg (DIABLO-NYC) to the Upper West Side at December 08, 2010 02:28 PM (IRMTX)
Lolololol, I could probably provide one of those of my pet snake if I felt like it.
Posted by: thisheavenlyhell at December 08, 2010 02:28 PM (8uDC8)
Speaking of foreplay, what's the clinical term for being turned on by one's own hands??
gator-ism
Posted by: garrett at December 08, 2010 02:28 PM (69B5a)
Posted by: thisheavenlyhell at December 08, 2010 02:29 PM (8uDC8)
And you should reply that no one "needs" [insert his pet thing here]. I really like to reply with (since I'm here in Texas): "Yeah, and no one "needs" an Air Conditioner. As long as you've got water, it doesn't get hot enough in Texas to kill you outright. You'd survive."
That always seems to bring about a change in subject. I'm not sure why...
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 08, 2010 02:30 PM (8y9MW)
2) Natural food like caribou is all well and dandy...unless you are the caribou.
Posted by: Alaskan caribou at December 08, 2010 06:13 PM (1vG6v)
A caribou is always next in line to become somebody's dinner. If it's not a clean kill shot, then it's a pack of Arctic wolves ripping you open and not bothering to wait for you to be really truly dead before starting to feast on your flesh.
Posted by: stuiec at December 08, 2010 02:30 PM (chhYn)
Posted by: Suddenly, The Earnest Hand-wringing Pose! at December 08, 2010 02:30 PM (G60Nl)
SarahÂ’s view of America is primitive. YouÂ’re either a pointy-headed graduate of Harvard Law School or youÂ’re eviscerating animals for fun, which she presents as somehow more authentic.
MoDo, on the otherhand, see's enlightened intellectuals with superior cultural instincts, and the great unwashed, yet to be visited by Katie Couric. As Ace astutely points out, libs always do what they accuse conservatives of doing.
Secondly, my hackles get up with the "Press 1 for english". I will, but guess which finger I'm going to use?
Posted by: The Hammer at December 08, 2010 02:30 PM (32ubA)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 08, 2010 02:30 PM (bvfVF)
That leads to the whole hypocrisy and inconsistency thing that you noted. Some kind of cognitive dissonance in play with them, maybe? who knows. Regardless, that's my two cents on your two cents.
Posted by: Tim from CT at December 08, 2010 02:31 PM (E7h0w)
Posted by: thisheavenlyhell at December 08, 2010 06:29 PM (8uDC
You know why you only found one baby one? Because it had already eaten as many of its siblings as it could find.
Posted by: stuiec at December 08, 2010 02:31 PM (chhYn)
I have any phone system that doesn't just get me to a human being.
And I used to work in a call center.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 08, 2010 02:32 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: thisheavenlyhell at December 08, 2010 06:28 PM (8uDC
But really, who couldn't?
Posted by: stuiec at December 08, 2010 02:33 PM (chhYn)
This is the classic urban leftist error.
Bridges not falling down aren't status. Terrorists not fucking blowing up the WTC aren't status. Running out of tax money is not status. Preventing an Iranian nuke isn't status.
We can (as they do) make decisions based on in-group interpersonal games for a certain amount of time, but eventually the large part of the universe that doesn't give a fuck about what's cool and how things are *supposed* to be bites you on the ass for denying it.
Posted by: someone at December 08, 2010 02:34 PM (DfAwB)
And they prefer the Joo jump into the sea to end the apartheid.
Posted by: Maroon Worden Deed at December 08, 2010 02:34 PM (d9QQP)
snakes love boobs.
my fiancee's cornsnake always slithers towards the boobs when she handles her.Posted by: CAC at December 08, 2010 02:34 PM (lV4Fs)
I prefer LaBatts Blue, when it comes to off-the-rack Canadian beers.
Posted by: K~Bon at December 08, 2010 02:34 PM (oRf9m)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 08, 2010 06:28 PM (8y9MW)
Oh, agreed. But that doesn't preclude her "too cute to kill" line from being bullshit -- in fact, her ditziness and that line are mutually reinforcing.
Posted by: stuiec at December 08, 2010 02:35 PM (chhYn)
"I'm a Prima Donna. Hell, I'll admit it. What I can't stand about Monty is that he won't!"
Posted by: Alex at December 08, 2010 02:35 PM (yY28H)
Posted by: humphreyrobot at December 08, 2010 02:35 PM (EiH7n)
Oooh! Now we have 4 cents. That's a 100% return in less 4 hours.
Seriously, though, I think you're absolutely right. The Conservatives I know are willing to argue a subject to the bitter end- because they're willing to have the foundations of their arguments see the light of day.
Even if they think they're winning, my Liberal friends/family always change the subject when it gets to that point. I think they know that their 'moral' (for want of a better term) foundation is flawed, but they're unwilling to confront what that means about their positions on the issues.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 08, 2010 02:35 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: CAC at December 08, 2010 06:34 PM (lV4Fs)
You don't sssssssssssssay.
Posted by: sssssssssssssstuiec at December 08, 2010 02:36 PM (chhYn)
I found it in my garage. I sort of doubt that's where they... hatched.
You know what else is cool? Those sharks that battle to the death while still in the womb. And only the strongest gets to be born. Bad. Ass.
Posted by: thisheavenlyhell at December 08, 2010 02:36 PM (8uDC8)
Shows what you know Mister!
I am currently a sophomore at Hamline University working very hard to pursue my double majors in Women Studies / Curling.
I fully expect to land a well-paying job as a broomer upon graduation!
If it were up to neanderthals like yourself, who would undoubtedly have voted against Title IX, Hamline University might be pouring precious resources into a football team instead of developing my Womynly sense of self-worth despite my lack of accomplishment!
(I didn't make the cut on the women's volleyball team tryouts. Those chicks are tough! After attending some of my proffessors' lectures though, I'm pretty sure that we can get volleyball banned, tho!)
Posted by: Another stupid Scandi at December 08, 2010 02:36 PM (Jb3+B)
(And, yes, we do it, too. Although since for most conservatives political identity is not the core of their personal status, they aren't quite so fucking annoying about it.)
Posted by: Trimegistus at December 08, 2010 02:37 PM (AEi46)
I got to this point in the post: It rambles on like this, in this kind of exhausting manner, and . . .
ZZZZZZZZZZ
ZZZZZZZZZZ . . .
Wow, I just woke up from the most incredible dream where I was porking Sarah Palin and eating a Caribou steak with a side o' fries.
Or, was I porking a Caribou and eating Sarah Palin (not with a side of fries!)?
Hmmmm. Did I just say all that outloud? Shit!
Posted by: Sharkman at December 08, 2010 02:37 PM (sqNU7)
my fiancee's cornsnake always slithers towards the boobs when she handles her.
That's because they like... um... dark, warm places.
Posted by: thisheavenlyhell at December 08, 2010 02:38 PM (8uDC8)
Posted by: thisheavenlyhell at
December 08, 2010 06:28 PM (8uDC
Well, I could try it with a lobster, but I don't have one handy.
Posted by: thisheavenlyhell at December 08, 2010 02:39 PM (8uDC8)
Posted by: kathysaysso at December 08, 2010 02:39 PM (ZtwUX)
Posted by: CAC, feigning offense at December 08, 2010 02:39 PM (lV4Fs)
Figures. They own Foster's. Vickie's is better
You mean VB?
It's funny -- Australians don't drink Foster's the same way Mexican don't drink Corona.
Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 08, 2010 02:42 PM (QMtmy)
Posted by: thisheavenlyhell at December 08, 2010 06:38 PM (8uDC
I'll just curl up under thesssssse two sssssssssoft, sssssssssself-heating sssssssstones.... warm and sssssssssafe.
Posted by: sssssssssssssstuiec at December 08, 2010 02:43 PM (chhYn)
We also buy a cow and have it slaughtered. Its cheaper and lasts forever.
That meat is the best.. hardly any fat.
So uh yeah, Maureen... housewives from Ohio are with Sarah on this... not your arrogant ass.
Posted by: Kristi at December 08, 2010 02:44 PM (ph9vn)
you know its Maureen "White Feather" Dowd
Unh...good - because if she's "Red Feather" Dowd she can't come into the Sweat-House.
Posted by: garrett the Shaman at December 08, 2010 02:45 PM (69B5a)
Posted by: CAC, feigning offense at December 08, 2010 02:45 PM (lV4Fs)
Yikes!
I think MoDo should go live among the caribou. I'm sure the nasty bot-fly warbles will do her complexion wonders.
Heh. Check out the Palin Photoshop here (scroll down).
Posted by: K~Bob at December 08, 2010 02:45 PM (oRf9m)
If someone already mentioned this upthread, sorry, but I don't have to look at every comment right now. But this seems to apply:
"Of all tyrannies a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baronÂ’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis
Posted by: Book Geek at December 08, 2010 02:46 PM (1+OO5)
Posted by: humphreyrobot at December 08, 2010 02:47 PM (EiH7n)
...my fiancee's cornsnake(!)
Posted by: garrett at December 08, 2010 06:41 PM (69B5a)
I told my fiancée that I was going to show her my "cornsnake."
We've been married 25 happy years.
Posted by: stuiec at December 08, 2010 02:47 PM (chhYn)
Cleaned its vivarium today, we put it back in the cage,and the first thing the snake does is shit all over the cage. Erinn punched the glass so hard I thought it would break.
Awww. When it comes to cleaning up poop, you really can't do better than an animal that shits about twice a week. Which is why I can never own any kind of rodent ever again.
Posted by: thisheavenlyhell at December 08, 2010 02:50 PM (8uDC8)
Which is why even after she nailed the caribou with her first shot from the other rifle, Chuck still needed to prove that there was nothing wrong with her own rifle. Surprise, surprise: there was.
So rather than being an incompetent markswoman, I'd say Sarah is a dutiful and respectful daughter.
Posted by: stuiec at December 08, 2010 05:39 PM (chhYn)
I am a few years younger than Sarah... and if my dad told me the riffle was at zero I would believe him too. Its DAD. I still don't question my dad.... he is still a superhero.
Posted by: Kristi at December 08, 2010 02:51 PM (ph9vn)
Especially topless.
Posted by: CAC, feigning offense at December 08, 2010 06:45 PM (lV4Fs)
Is this related to lacey's question about being turned on by one's own hands? Sounds like she's been "swatting at her own pet," IYKWIMAITYD.
Posted by: stuiec at December 08, 2010 02:51 PM (chhYn)
Oooh, isn't that original!
Government extortion in the name of "social justice" continues:
Obama signs measure to pay American Indians, black farmers $4.6 billion over federal mistreatment http://wapo.st/hiiqUe
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 08, 2010 02:52 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: thisheavenlyhell at December 08, 2010 06:50 PM (8uDC
Well, not own one longer than it takes the snake to eat it, anyhow.
Posted by: stuiec at December 08, 2010 02:52 PM (chhYn)
Posted by: Jean at December 08, 2010 02:53 PM (CPefM)
Oooh, isn't that original!
But that wasn't even aimed at you this time.
Posted by: thisheavenlyhell at December 08, 2010 02:53 PM (8uDC8)
Oh. Well, I buy the frozen kind, so... that's not really "owning a rodent" anymore than buying a steak is "owning a cow."
Posted by: thisheavenlyhell at December 08, 2010 02:55 PM (8uDC8)
Posted by: humphreyrobot at December 08, 2010 02:56 PM (EiH7n)
Posted by: humphreyrobot at December 08, 2010 06:47 PM (EiH7n)
Who doesn't?
Posted by: tangonine at December 08, 2010 02:57 PM (x3YFz)
Witness how the words "arugula" and "latte" are used on the right
My eyes detect that word, latte, but all they see when they scan it is prissy-assed, fag-fuck.
Strange.
Posted by: Warden at December 08, 2010 02:59 PM (HzhBE)
Figures. They own Foster's. Vickie's is better
You mean VB?
It's funny -- Australians don't drink Foster's the same way Mexican don't drink Corona.
Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 08, 2010 06:42 PM (QMtmy)
You got it correcto!
Posted by: K~Bob at December 08, 2010 03:00 PM (oRf9m)
Posted by: Jean at December 08, 2010 06:53 PM (CPefM)
You'd best check your six when invoking Carlos Hathcock. Not a name to be used lightly.
Posted by: tangonine at December 08, 2010 03:00 PM (x3YFz)
You got it correcto!
Posted by: K~Bob at December 08, 2010 07:00 PM (oRf9m)
My Aussie friend says Four X is the big beer around her ways.
And they do the whole "rum & coke" thing in cans. (Bundaberg). Don't know how that would go over here though.
Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 08, 2010 03:04 PM (QMtmy)
We should start a "testicle sighting" page, just to highlight when, and if, the Reeps ever give back some of the shit that's been shovelled their way.
Posted by: K~Bob at December 08, 2010 03:07 PM (oRf9m)
Posted by: tangonine at December 08, 2010 03:08 PM (x3YFz)
MoDo, on the otherhand, see's enlightened intellectuals with superior cultural instincts, and the great unwashed, yet to be visited by Katie Couric. As Ace astutely points out, libs always do what they accuse conservatives of doing.
Safe and sound in the superior herd. But it's not primitive when MoDo does it.
Posted by: rdbrewer at December 08, 2010 03:10 PM (ue0dE)
And they do the whole "rum & coke" thing in cans. (Bundaberg). Don't know how that would go over here though.
Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 08, 2010 07:04 PM (QMtmy)
Australia is like West Virginia, or western PA, or Tennessee, but with a more cheerful British-y sounding accent. Yeah, that would go good in Tennessee.
BTW: pumpkin-flavored eggnog and Jack Daniels. Very nice. HoHoHo!
Posted by: K~Bob at December 08, 2010 03:10 PM (oRf9m)
Posted by: The FDA at December 08, 2010 03:12 PM (IRMTX)
Posted by: rdbrewer at December 08, 2010 03:13 PM (ue0dE)
Posted by: rdbrewer at December 08, 2010 03:14 PM (ue0dE)
Posted by: justin cord at December 08, 2010 03:15 PM (c0+w5)
I gotta go see how the experiment turned out. Catch you 'roons later.
Posted by: K~Bob at December 08, 2010 03:15 PM (oRf9m)
Is that rum&coke caffeine free?
Don't think so, though there is a "Super Dry" version with "less sugar for a crisper cleaner taste".
"The Bundaberg Distilling Company owns its own cola producing facility, which supplies the cola for its ready-to-drink Bundaberg Rum and Cola products"
Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 08, 2010 03:18 PM (QMtmy)
Australia is like West Virginia, or western PA, or Tennessee, but with a more cheerful British-y sounding accent. Yeah, that would go good in Tennessee.
Well from what I've heard, Queensland is the Aussie equivalent to Florida.
And not in a good way.
Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 08, 2010 03:21 PM (QMtmy)
I suggest a lil'; bit of Googlin'.
I did some Wikipediaing, and I stand (somewhat) corrected. This is what I found:
"The USA is the worldÂ’s most profitable beer market[citation needed]; On 9 October 2007, SABMiller and Molson Coors Brewing Company announced a joint venture to be known as MillerCoors."
SAB Miller is headquartered in London. Molson Coors is co-headquartered in Denver and Montreal.
(The first Sammy is on me.)
Posted by: FireHorse at December 08, 2010 03:22 PM (sWynj)
Posted by: mongo78 at December 08, 2010 05:10 PM (2b46R)
Not to mention the part where her dad fell, dropped the rifle, and landed on top of it, which probably didn't do anything good for the accuracy.
Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at December 08, 2010 03:22 PM (IoUF1)
MoDo and the liberals will not do well if the grid goes down.
I imagine the world will live a lot more like Alaskans than New Yorkers.
Posted by: sifty at December 08, 2010 03:26 PM (MoA1d)
If by "Sammy" you mean Samuel Adams, you're on.
That's what I meant -- but if you're a Cabo Wabo tequila drinker, I wouldn't have argued the technicality.
Posted by: FireHorse at December 08, 2010 03:29 PM (sWynj)
(One caveman talking to another.)
“Something’s just not right—our air is clean, our water is pure, we all get plenty of exercise, everything we eat is organic and free-range, and yet nobody lives past thirty.”
Posted by: Lazarus Long at December 08, 2010 03:29 PM (Mgd8Q)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 08, 2010 03:32 PM (tJjm/)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 08, 2010 03:35 PM (tJjm/)
Posted by: jewells45 at December 08, 2010 03:36 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 08, 2010 03:37 PM (mHQ7T)
They are kind of cute actually, the Caribbean ones, anyway.
Anytime you get bored and all your divers are safely occupied exploring the fucking sand around a coral head, go up to the wall and look for some antennae.
If you can hold very still, it's kind of easy to pet them out of their hidey holes.
I always pretended I was coaxing a kitteh cat out of a tree.
I don't know what it is but if you gently stroke their feelers the right way, they will get curious or something and poke their head out.
Keep going, petting their antennae down to the base and they will actually lose their death grip that their tails normally hold onto in their hidey holes.
I don't know what it is! Some sort of stimulus / response loop hat I can short-circuit? Like hypnotizing chickens?
All I know is, every time I did that to a lobster, I told him to be glad I wasn't hungry!
(Not like harvesting was legal or anything. Hell, wearing dive gloves was a big No- No in this World ecological "protected" site!)
But I thought about it!
Every, single, time.
Only reason I never caved and snatched one of the defenseless little buggers up was because no-one has figured out how bring a decent BBQ grill underwater.
Jacques Cousteau would know what I'm talking about and had the engineering chops to pull it off!
His kids?
Parasitic lefty douchebags of the highest order.
IMHO
Posted by: Deety who was once a Divemaster at December 08, 2010 03:38 PM (Jb3+B)
Dowd also has no appreciation for the fact that Sarah left in all her bad shots. Obama would have edited them all out and maintained that he's a perfect shot.
Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at December 08, 2010 03:39 PM (eYY8A)
One thing women should be taught is that nagging is not foreplay.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 08, 2010 05:10 PM (T0NGe)
I consider wrestling foreplay. By the time you finally get on to it, they'll fuck you like the mean it.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 08, 2010 03:39 PM (mHQ7T)
I've always wondered about the whole "organic" craze -- the idiots realize that all food is organic (except maybe those colored marshmallows), and that the organic label is pretty much a stretch (no difference between chemical nitrogen and nitrogen from "other sources").
Stupid city slickers. Chaos will be fun.
And I suppose Mz. Dowd has been to a slaughterhouse and seen her food processed?
Or does she just eat those colored marshmallows?
Posted by: unknown jane at December 08, 2010 03:40 PM (5/yRG)
Posted by: sifty at December 08, 2010 03:41 PM (MoA1d)
Posted by: Trimegistus at December 08, 2010 03:45 PM (AEi46)
Posted by: Guy who comments without reading the whole post at December 08, 2010 03:48 PM (BP6Z1)
Interesting article, although it was as off topic and rambling as they come!
My pops was a conservative, that is, until he went to prison for touching little children.
Posted by: DD at December 08, 2010 03:53 PM (rek0i)
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at December 08, 2010 07:23 PM (1hM1d)
It's when she makes you a sammich beforehand.
Posted by: Alex at December 08, 2010 03:54 PM (yY28H)
Posted by: Guy who does not read all 400+ comments, either at December 08, 2010 03:58 PM (BP6Z1)
Wolves really are the Zombies of our world aren't they?
Just 'cause they look like the cute puppehs that are a part of our families, doesn't make it so.
Watch their behavior!
Wolves are predators plain and simple!
We should start shooting them from helicopters, evil predatory bastards that they are!
That and the coyotes.
I'm pretty sure that coyotes are not the kind of apex predator that wolves are but still, I just don't fucking respect them!
Noisy, yippy little bastards.
(One on one? Sure, I'll be wary and practice all due caution when chancing on any wild animal!)
Posted by: Deety being a moonbat at December 08, 2010 04:01 PM (Jb3+B)
Posted by: Retread at December 08, 2010 04:05 PM (giild)
I hate hate HATE coyotes. I've lost my entire flock of layers to one lazy ass coyote on a joy ride.
Asshat dog without a job.
Posted by: EZB at December 08, 2010 04:10 PM (fa9yq)
Sorkin also accused the Fox News contributor of making a "snuff film" after the latest episode of Sarah's Palin's Alaska featured the politician going hunting with her father and shooting a caribou.
Sometimes I wonder if liberals really don't understand that everything they eat used to be alive - even for the strictest of vegans...
Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2010 04:12 PM (bgcml)
I dare him to spend a day on a factory farm or a slaughter house and have the nerve to say that the caribou didn't have the preferable life and death.
People have gotten so out of touch with the reality of where their food comes from (in all it's sometimes awful and miserable stages) that it's beyond pitiful.
Posted by: EZB at December 08, 2010 04:16 PM (fa9yq)
Ouch. Tells you all you need to know about Dear Leader, doesn't it?
Posted by: mongo78 at December 08, 2010 04:18 PM (2b46R)
Posted by: sickinmass at December 08, 2010 07:39 PM
Hah!
Posted by: rdbrewer at December 08, 2010 04:29 PM (ue0dE)
accusing the contender for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination of shooting an animal "for political gain".
How dare you do something for political gain.
Posted by: rdbrewer at December 08, 2010 04:30 PM (ue0dE)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 08, 2010 06:20 PM (pLTLS)
Batshit crazy?
Posted by: Aunt Cranky at December 08, 2010 04:38 PM (Ad2us)
...His gist was that he store should only offer the freshest meat products, specifically live, then you get to take it home and kill it yourself.
I concurred, and extolled on the fact that one could then tell if the critter was healthy... he kinda sorta agreed... that it was valid... before THAT I did not knowI knew he was a militant vegan..If he was not so stringy looking he would make good worm food.
Posted by: Druid at December 08, 2010 04:40 PM (RnujI)
Couple of years ago I was at a lefty "destination" wedding. I was already showing my ass by leaving the rest of my family home and coming only myself with alot of smugness. Because they had already gotten married in a courthouse and then were having a "pretend" ceremony to avoid any smattering of religion, I kept referring to it as "the thing on the beach." It was truely awful and had me on serious edge. Anyway, that night, one of the guests cornered me and wanted me to admit that the "Chinese had done a wonderful, an amazing, a fantastic job on the Olympics." Already in my "let's just nuke the left" mood, I responded with, "Are you fucking kidding me?" "How much of a fucking lefttard do you have to be even have that thought?" "What the hell is wrong with you, did you drop acid every day in the seventies?"
That's what Ace's essay reminded me of. That and the fact I don't get enough foreplay.
Posted by: dagny at December 08, 2010 04:43 PM (Je6fj)
I'm so glad this thread is still going. You'd think that an unemployed misanthrope viewed suspiciously even by his nuclear family would have the time to post in a timely manner, but no.
What do I do about my wife who hates Sarah Palin, even though the two of them share every political belief and position?
Posted by: Truman North at December 08, 2010 04:46 PM (HLGCA)
Posted by: toby928™ at December 08, 2010 04:46 PM (S5YRY)
On lobsters ... I've always been horrified by them. They really do look like a giant red cockroach to me. When I see one my instinct is to get a bat and just smash it till it goes away. It's like a real life Temple of Doom dinner.
Cracked.com had a funny article a few months ago (I'd link to it, but that's apparently verboten on this site) about this. Apparently before the 20th century lobster was at the bottom of the food chain, down there with tripe and below liver.
Remember in our history books how the colonists in the Revolutionary War mocked the British soldiers by calling them lobsterbacks? Well, the British got their revenge serving their POWs nothing but lobster -- to the point some prisoners revolted, preferring death to eating lobster one more day.
Posted by: Sean P at December 08, 2010 04:46 PM (M3QBc)
What do I do about my wife who hates Sarah Palin, even though the two of them share every political belief and position?
Posted by: Truman North at December 08, 2010 08:46 PM (HLGCA)
Make a deal with her. If she'll read Sarah's books, you'll do something for her that she wants...but only after she reads the books.
And, if she comes at you with the idea that Sarah didn't write those books, just let her know that the first book is based on all her written journals throughout her life.
Posted by: Steph at December 08, 2010 04:52 PM (kOSds)
Posted by: Olaf K at December 08, 2010 04:53 PM (ZZul2)
That's good, Steph. Except my wife doesn't "read."
Also, her problem with Palin is her bad morals and her exploitation of her family... shit you not
It's not a rational hatred. She just... hates Sarah Palin
Posted by: Truman North at December 08, 2010 04:54 PM (HLGCA)
do ya know where it comes from???
For decades, I've been under the impression that Jello comes from grinding up the feet of pretty little moo-cows.
Kind of distressed me when I first heard this, as a 12 year old.
Luckily, I had a patient parent who explained that not only do the feet of pretty little moo-cows get ground up and made into Jello but other parts of her will be part of a a Big Mac or a kick-ass leather coat someday...
Don't you like those sorts of things?
Well, sure! Who doesn't?
That's what happens to cows, daughter.
All of them? All the time?
Pretty much, yes.
Just so long as they aren't cutting the feet of of cows just to make Jello, I suppose it's OK...
Hooves dear. Cows don't have feet. They have hooves.
Kind of simplistic? Sure! But it stopped my weeping.
(Still never ate any Jello since that conversation!)
Posted by: Deety being a moonbat at December 08, 2010 04:55 PM (Jb3+B)
(Still never ate any Jello since that conversation!)
OK, so I guess you don't want to know that it comes from the boiled bones, connective tissue and hides of the various critters (piggies, sheepies, cowies, goaties) in the slaughterhouse that week.
Which is why Sandra Lee using marshmallows in a Chanukah Cake can be considered a hate crime
Posted by: EZB at December 08, 2010 05:00 PM (fa9yq)
Then it's based on something personal (she may feel threatened by something in Palin that is a weakness in herself).
Posted by: EZB at December 08, 2010 05:02 PM (fa9yq)
Which is why Sandra Lee using marshmallows in a Chanukah Cake can be considered a hate crime
What are we gonna do? Chop off your head? Like we expect Sandra Lee to know from Hannukah cakes! Oy.
Posted by: Truman North, Jew at December 08, 2010 05:05 PM (HLGCA)
Sounds tasty, but I thought that was hot dogs.
That's all the reproductive organs, anus' and floor sweepings.
Posted by: EZB at December 08, 2010 05:08 PM (fa9yq)
Posted by: dagny at December 08, 2010 05:09 PM (Je6fj)
I really honestly enjoyed reading it.
Bravo!
Posted by: Mt Top Patriot at December 08, 2010 05:13 PM (bUWh3)
Nope, scrapple is more elegant than that--- boiled hogs head and the meat--- heart, liver, other organs. (Unless the liver is saved fer liver puddin') No cornmeal but vinegar and pepper = souse.
Can you tell what I did in the fall on the farm??
Posted by: EZB at December 08, 2010 05:16 PM (fa9yq)
Posted by: gebrauchshund at December 08, 2010 05:21 PM (FLRN3)
Can't scare me EZB!
I still enjoy a good hot-dog!
Powdered gelatin, in a packet, is kind of amazing, if you think about it.
Jello?
Not that great.
Fascinating properties for the budding kitchen chemist to observe.
But a tasty treat?
Not so much.
I defy anyone to name me a time when they woke up from a deep sleep and had craving for fucking Jello!
I imagine that Jello got popular just as fast as refrigerators did. It was a way to show off to the neighbors that you could afford a fridge.
I have a copy of "The Joy of Cooking" penned sometime in the early 30's that has entire sections devoted to "aspics".
Apparently, "suspending" all kinds of random shit in gelatin was considered the height of sophistication at some point in American culture!
I'm not dissing true charcuterie or even terrines.
I ain't really against gelatin, to be honest.
Still won't eat any Jello though...
Posted by: Deety being a moonbat at December 08, 2010 05:24 PM (Jb3+B)
The paying customer always cums first.
Hence ace's position.
Posted by: sTevo at December 08, 2010 05:33 PM (VMcEw)
Posted by: eman at December 08, 2010 05:36 PM (b1GWR)
No foreplay?!
sigh.
..where have all the good men gone?....
******* We're right here, baby.
Posted by: Slow Hand Luke at December 08, 2010 05:58 PM (y1xZO)
Posted by: panchita at December 08, 2010 06:21 PM (cVLyC)
Just call it "Lefty Lovin." I'm sure it'd sell.
Posted by: MarkD at December 08, 2010 06:42 PM (0Jy1K)
Posted by: Average Jen at December 08, 2010 06:54 PM (DBr05)
Posted by: Donna V. at December 08, 2010 06:54 PM (3xt7b)
Well said, Ace; but I think you're doing too much of the moral equivalence. In the fact the situation is:
* Sarah Palin (and others on the right) from time to time offers liberals advice on eating organic. Advice they can take or leave, as they will.
* Maureen Dowd (and others on the left) enlist the government to shove their advice down our throats, whether we like it or not. And tax us for the privilege, as well.
These positions may come from the same emotional impulse. But Palin's position is morally defensible. Dowd's is not.
Posted by: Brown Line at December 08, 2010 07:05 PM (zplqV)
Ace: "Lately I've been thinking a little about culture, and how......"
Coma-inducing stupor follows.
Ace, do you know you're becoming the "Bill Moyers of the Right"?
Posted by: effinayright at December 08, 2010 07:18 PM (y1xZO)
Posted by: ingenus at December 08, 2010 07:24 PM (+sBB4)
Great essay! Thanks, Ace.
Now I'm going to watch another fine episode of Palin's Alaska, the one where she shoots Rudolph. I hear she gives a shout-out to my man Ted Nugent. When the libtards are shrieking bloody murder about a woman like Sarah, you know it's a fine piece of television. Hey, the libtards still have their "30 Rock," don't they? With that insanely-hilarious Alec Baldwin?
Posted by: garycooper at December 08, 2010 07:26 PM (kAcsp)
Posted by: ingenus at December 08, 2010 07:29 PM (+sBB4)
Posted by: ingenus at December 08, 2010 07:35 PM (+sBB4)
To revise and extend my remarks:
Ace: "Lately I've been thinking a little about culture, and how......"
Does anyone here remember Percy Dovetonsils? Ernie Kovacs?
Youtube a "Percy Dovetonsils" clip to see what I'm referring to.
You can practically see Ace in his smoking jacket and ascot, grinning smarmily and sipping his Apricot Sour as he serves up his precious aperçus.
C'mon, Ace! More blood and guts in keeping with your masthead! None of this David Brooksian social navel-gazing!
Posted by: effinayright at December 08, 2010 07:36 PM (y1xZO)
Posted by: ingenus at December 08, 2010 07:37 PM (+sBB4)
Tina Fey tried doing an impression of Maureen Dowd, but she found she couldn't get the tits right.
Posted by: effinayright at December 08, 2010 07:39 PM (y1xZO)
I haven't paid attention in years, but for a long time Ace's page view times were astronomically higher than that of other blogs. Something advertisers should pay attention to.
Posted by: rdbrewer at December 08, 2010 07:50 PM (ue0dE)
Really? No God, no religion? No cult in your culture?
Fail.
Posted by: Leo Ladenson at December 08, 2010 09:16 PM (s3dMx)
Posted by: Jamie at December 09, 2010 02:52 AM (GIjCD)
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Posted by: Z as in Jersey at December 09, 2010 04:38 AM (sXUiz)
Posted by: Mr B at December 09, 2010 05:14 AM (8frkt)
I love Sarah.
Her lack of intellegince makes the left go insane!
They cant imagine a non-intellectual becoming President!
I want one that knows how to cook!
Posted by: Giles at December 09, 2010 05:25 AM (+Fc7Y)
Donna V., #518: I like arugula, world music and foreign films.
I don't know what it is, me too, and I'm very much looking forward to that Finnish movie next year with the Nazis returning from their lunar exile.
Posted by: FireHorse at December 09, 2010 06:07 AM (sWynj)
Posted by: gary gulrud at December 09, 2010 06:22 AM (/g2vP)
Liberal elitists are like the 'cool kids' in school. They're cool because they say so and sheeple believe it. If you challenge their alpha status they turn into Mr. Hyde on you. You must be dragged down and 'killed' before the sheeple start thinking that maybe the cool kids really aren't.
Thus the visceral reaction by assclowns like Dowd and the other 'cool kids' to a real woman like Palin, or Coulter, etc. It's not cool to NOT be avant garde. It's not cool to have babies and raise them yourself. And... if you're not cool, then who will tell you how great and marvelous you are...?? OMG, maybe you're just one more schlub living your unimportant (to the fate of the universe) life.
When you ARE the universe because you have to concept of a higher value outside of yourself, you are doomed to this sort of insanity. You will die alone. ha ha.
Posted by: chuck in st paul at December 09, 2010 06:45 AM (EhYdw)
@540 Giles: "Her lack of intellegince ..."
Apparently you are referring to someone other than Governor Palin of Alaska. Please read about her somewhere else besides Huff N Puff Post or Kos. What she accomplished as Governor was epic. You can start wtih cleaning out the corrupt folks in her own GOP and go on the pipeline deal. Or not.
Or perhaps you meant 'intellectualism'? That I could buy.
Posted by: chuck in st paul at December 09, 2010 06:50 AM (EhYdw)
No, no Chuck, why so angry?
I love Sarah despites her lack of intellect!
She is an average American, not some off the shelf well-spoken elitist!
Posted by: Giles at December 09, 2010 07:57 AM (+Fc7Y)
Posted by: Mazzuchelli at December 09, 2010 09:23 AM (zAZNI)
#445, I don't hunt much any more, even chasing the two-legged Arabian game of which I was so fond, but I am NOT shooting for blood with a rifle I have not zeroed myself, and if someone drops the bitch, it's getting rezeroed.
I was badly burned that wasy at Fort Benning when my basic training battle buddy dropped my rifle on the front sight assembly. I had to throw every bullshit Kentucky windage junk shot I ever had learned when I was in the first time to qualify the first time around.
Posted by: SGT Dan at December 09, 2010 09:24 AM (QUuUE)
IMDB recently reported that a biopic is already in the works for Super Sarah!
For some reason, Jim Carrey is currently cast as Super Sarah.
Who would've that progressives would love her so much!
Posted by: Movie Guy at December 09, 2010 09:36 AM (+Fc7Y)
Posted by: RM at December 09, 2010 09:39 AM (GkYyh)
Posted by: rdbrewer at December 09, 2010 11:58 AM (6vpA7)
Posted by: Running Hobo at December 09, 2010 05:55 PM (l1oyw)
Posted by: DottieTexan at December 10, 2010 07:33 AM (2lyjp)
- The post of the year. A veritable year in review; It explains the Obama administration to the mid-term elections, and this lame-duck session.
- Oh yeah? I'll see your shirtless Putin on a mongrel pony and raise you Palin taking out Donner or Blitzen.
- Or how can Middle America offer any advice about food (or culture) since all of the people who appreciate such matters had to leave? Seriously, if Middle America weren't such homophobes, they might take our Elite Coasts advice and learn something new or learn to like it. HLBTs are in power now. We're here, we're queer, and we're in charge because we bundle our political donations! Ask Kevin Jennings, Obama's Safe Schools Czar. /sarc
It is the height of tolerance that American parents indulge their children so; from designer sneakers, electronic gadgets to reality TV contestants. The Bravo! channel (NBC owned, and long gone from the days of showing opera) has acquiesced that culture is flaming gay and so must we all. Their reality game cooking show, Top Chef, disproportionately casts HLBT contestants over what is representative in the industry according to their top judge and restauranter Tom Colicchio. Not that Tom has a problem with that since he supports same sex marriage (and Michelle Obama's taxpayer money grab to dictate what children eat).
There was nothing so illustrative of the tribal mentality that has engulfed food in America than the Top Chef spin off show, Just Desserts. In the enaugural season, in addition to the usual dominance of HLBT contestants, they also cast someone who was clearly autistic. He couldn't cope. Team Diva, as the HLBTs called themselves, spear headed the tribal effort to ostracize him. Further down the road, Team Diva took to defiantly calling the only remaining heterosexual male, Morgan, left in the competition a name he openly despised; Morganza. How tribal, again.
But what could be more appropos of children running the asylum than when flaming Team Diva member Zac tried to throw Morgan under the bus at the Judge's Table:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iDka6iGJsQ&NR=1
ZAC: I'm just gonna say it. You know. It upsets me that Morgan won $20,000 in the chocolate fashion challenge. Couldn't care less (indicating no facial expression). Won the Godiva challenge. Couldn't care less (again, indicating no facial expression).
MORGAN: It's not part of my character to jump up and down and flail and sing show tunes. I don't think it's polite to go, "Ha ha I won!" (indicating all in your face glee). I would rather remain composed than freak out like a little girl.
Back in the Stew Room while the judges deliberate, Zac offered this bit of intolerant tribal wisdom to adult male Morgan:
ZAC: It's personality. It's not personal. You know.
Like, oh yeah, we do get it just how indulgent the adults have been when HLBTs go tribal and stress affirmative action, Jersey Shore type TV is good, nay even better, than meritocracy. You're looking for cheerleaders not competition. Your tribe is closed but you consider Middle America the closed-minded ones.
Posted by: FeFe at December 16, 2010 08:06 PM (TjlA2)
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