1 Hate the Drake.

2 Hopefully this guy will get a fair trial followed by the long prison sentence he seems to have merited.

Why isn't the government pursing the death penalty? Leaking secrets to the enemy during time of war is as textbook an example of treason as one could hope for.

3 It is my understanding that the State Department is chock full of leftists.

4 What's a concessional staffer?

5 Why isn't the government pursing the death penalty? Leaking secrets to the enemy during time of war is as textbook an example of treason as one could hope for.

Perhaps the Republican's are pussies?

6

5 david

someone who works in the snack bar

7 When Bush was President these guys were heroes. With obama they're enemies of the state.

8 I always found it interesting that liberals assume the intelligence apparatus is a bunch of right wing nut jobs dying to institute some conservative police state


Agents tend to be conservative, desk jockey liberal bureaucrats. So, the left sees the former as evil incarnate and doesn't even consider the latter.

I think a lot of this is legacy from the Cold War. The post-WWII left was anti-communist, and even the liberal bureaucrats of say the Kennedy years were willing to oppose communism abroad.

So, at the time that the modern Left was forming as a anti-anti-communist movement most of the intelligence apparatus, left or right, was busy trying to stop the Soviets. To the modern Left this means they were evil fascists. And, since change is hard, to the modern Left these same individuals are still evil fascists.

9 So the newspapaer and the reporter get off Scott-free?

10 Why isn't the government pursing the death penalty? Leaking secrets to the enemy during time of war is as textbook an example of treason as one could hope for. Posted by: 18-1 at April 15, 2010 12:41 PM (7BU4a) ----------------------------- The death penalty is reserved for the person that leaks Obama's SAT scores and medical records.

11 DOJ is lefty central too. So this guy leaked secrets for no money? Idiot and traitor.

12 If Mr. Drake is convicted, this will be a grave miscarriage of justice, and a dark, dark day in America.  Mr. Drake is a patriot and a righteous whistle blower who was trying to sound the clarion call against the vile, corrupt Bushitler/Cheney regime.  He is a hero as he exposed their malfeasance, criminality, and collusion with Halliburton.  Mr. Drake was only doing his duty to protect America from its enemies within.  We need to focus on keeping America safe, therefore, Patrick Fitzgerald needs to reopen his investigation into the Valerie Plame leak.  Rove, Bush and Cheney need to be frogmarched in handcuffs before the American people, and their asses must be thrown in prison.  Only then can we have peace and justice in America.

13 Why no mention of the newspaper involved?

14 "Close relationship" = bedtime stories.  And he probably thought he was some kind of hero.  Enjoy prison, bud.

15 Into the wood chipper with him.

16 Prediction: Sean Penn plays Drake in the movie.

17 Leaking?  Never heard of it!  Sounds like something better left to the bloggers and cable news.

18

All leaks are bad.

Some leaks are better than others.

19 Just another truth-to-power speaking victim of Bush's police-state Amerikkka.  Oh, wait...

20 Oh, and perhaps this should be considered as part of the left wing bureaucracy's revolt against representative government.

While you see this discussed on conservative forums, the very obvious pattern of left wing bureaucrats abusing their positions to try and damage the political process should be *the* news story of the last 5 years.

Ironically, this used to be something the left was obsessed with. In the 60s and 70s the entertainment media was chock full of dark conspiracies by the government employees to bring down public figures they disagreed with.  Yet now that we are living with this, there is pretty much nothing in either the entertainment or news media.

Wouldn't the Joe the Plumber story make for an interesting investigative report? How about IG Walpin? How the 07 NIE was created out of whole cloth?

21 6 Why isn't the government pursing the death penalty? Leaking secrets to the enemy during time of war is as textbook an example of treason as one could hope for.

Perhaps the Republican's are pussies?

Posted by: Barbarian at April 15, 2010 12:46 PM (EL+OC)

To prove espionage you need demonstrate that the perpetrator:

1) Passed sensitive information (note, this does not necessarily mean classified information- do a search on "Albert Sombolay" for some interesting reading on that)

2) Passed it to a foreign power.

3) Passed it with the intent of either aiding the foreign power or harming the United States.

It's hard to prove intent, plus in this case the scumbag just passed the stuff to a reporter, not a foreign power.

So he won't be charged with espionage, probably the most they can get him on is mishandling classified information (see Wen Ho Lee).  And you can bet he knows it.

That said the scumbag should spend the rest of his life in a six-by-eight foot cell with a 300lb rapist named "Maurice".

22 The indictment mentions that the reporter did stories in 2006 & 2007 involving SIGINT,

Looky what we have here morons back in 2006.  Our old friend Sidney Blumenthal.

Will keep searching.

23 Why isn't the government pursing the death penalty?

He hasn't been charged with the actual leak, just the cover-up. 

24

14 Why no mention of the newspaper involved?

 

 

 

Heh!  Heh!  looking at Google, the newspaper was "unnamed" and "unidentified."  Kind of like party affiliation whenever a Dem does anything criminal.  Strange, but when Republicans do anything unethical or illegal, the party affiliation is always front and center.  Curious, huh?

25 So the newspapaer and the reporter get off Scott-free?

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 15, 2010 12:49 PM (0sfFH)

Guilty as sin, free as a bird. I really taught little Barry a few things, didn't I?

26 All the classified information that's fit to print.  In an unidentified newspaper.

27 Doh!  left sock on!

28 I don't know much about the NSA, but the CIA recruits heavily on college campuses, especially Ivy League ones. They don't hire streetwise cops, or badass ex SF guys, or con men who know how to trick people into giving up the goods. They hire Hahvahd men who belong to the right social circles.

The CIA should be a pack of hotdogging scoundrels who live to fuck America's enemies over in the most devious ways possible. Instead we have a building full of bureaucrats who shuffle paper around the Beltway and leak secrets to their newspaper buddies. 99% of the CIA never leaves Langley. That's a big fucking problem.

29 24 Why isn't the government pursing the death penalty?

He hasn't been charged with the actual leak, just the cover-up. 

 

 

What is he belonged to and donated to the correct political party, Alex?

30 So the newspapaer and the reporter get off Scott-free?

Not necessarily. In the PP case (contrary to popular belief) the ruling was that the gov could not impose prior censure ship without a court order that showed imminent harm to the country.

But they left the door open to prosecution of the reporter and the Newspaper if, AFTER the fact, the government could show that the government or its agents had been harmed.

Most of the time the government is unwilling to do that because the case drags on for years and the outcome in the liberal courts is always more secrets being exposed.

The irony from the PP case is that if they so chose the government could show that means and methods were exposed by that leak and agents of the U.S. were actually killed. But by then, Nixon had so poisoned the well that nobody has been willing to drink from it.

Note that the PP case did NOT shield agents responsible for the leaks from prosecution regardless of outcome.

31 Sidney Blumenthal's full story in Salon.

32 The line between genius and madness is never so blurred as it is at NSA

33 It's hard to prove intent, plus in this case the scumbag just passed the stuff to a reporter, not a foreign power.

So he won't be charged with espionage, probably the most they can get him on is mishandling classified information (see Wen Ho Lee).  And you can bet he knows it.

Posted by: Nighthawk at April 15, 2010 12:54 PM (OtQXp)

For point two, he passed it on to the reporter fully knowing the reporter would report it to among others, our enemies. It doesn't seem legally much different from giving intelligence to any other third party knowing who they will give it to.

For intent...well, if you can't convince a jury that someone gave intelligence secrets to the enemy in part to harm American domestic  security, you probably shouldn't be a prosecutor. Heck, get him on the stand and ask him if he was trying to get the program shut down.

34 All I know is Scooter Libby better keep his mouth shut.

35 We're still cool, though, right?

36 A "newspaper?"  Seriously, we all know which newspaper don't we?

37 OT: anybody got a working link to a Wash DC webcam. The Dept of Int digital cam is undergoing "maintenance" today. At other alternate sites, the image is unavailable. Sure its simply a coincidence.

38 Tailgunner Joe, despite his alcoholism, was basically right. In a sane world, we would be having a revived Un-American Activities Committee on this. Of course, with the Obamunists running it, maybe scratch that...

39

For point two, he passed it on to the reporter fully knowing the reporter would report it to among others, our enemies. It doesn't seem legally much different from giving intelligence to any other third party knowing who they will give it to.

For intent...well, if you can't convince a jury that someone gave intelligence secrets to the enemy in part to harm American domestic  security, you probably shouldn't be a prosecutor. Heck, get him on the stand and ask him if he was trying to get the program shut down.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 15, 2010 01:00 PM (7BU4a)

For all the sense you make above the history of espionage cases is, unfortunately, against you.  The standards of proof are very high and most prosecutors settle for the maximum penalty on lesser charges rather than risk exposing sensitive sources and methods in open court in order to meet those standards.

40 Drake appointed to an Obama cabinet position in 3...2...

41 He probably leaked information that was beneficial to the Bush administration and, therefore, had to be punished.

42 For point two, he passed it on to the reporter fully knowing the reporter would report it to among others, our enemies.

Alas, al Qaeda buys their copy of the Times at newsstands with cash, instead of taking home delivery.

43 You left out Valerie Plame's antics, from your list of CIA left-wing activism.

44

Mainjustice.com takes a look at the indictment and has interesting information on Drake's relationship with the reporter and a congressional staffer.

 

Anyone seen JackM today?

45

"The indictment does not identify the reporter, the newspaper the New York Times, or the subject matter of the stories."

 

 

46 Prediction: Sean Penn plays Drake in the movie. You are probably right. Sean Penn is playing shitbag Joe Wilson (aka Mr. Valerie Plame) in the adaptation of that scrunt's book Fair Game.

47 ...OT:

Obamas reported an adjusted gross income of $5,505,409 and reported donating $329,100 to 40 different charities, not counting the Nobel Prize money obviously.

Bidens reported an adjusted gross income of $333,182 and contributed $4,820 to charity, in both monetary and in-kind donations (shades of Bill Clinton writing off his used underpants...)

Roughly 6% and 1.5%, respectively, if you want to figure out how you measured up.

48 "The indictment does not identify the reporter, the newspaper the New York Times, or the subject matter of the stories."

Isn't it "ironic" that the NYT was the home of Walter Duranty and was also the paper of record for the infamous PP case.

They sort of have a history don't they?

49 I'm going to laugh if it turns out to be the stories about NSA's electrical power issues.

50 OT
FL-GOP (Quinnipiac): Rubio 56, Crist 33
PA (Susquehanna): Toomey 48, Specter 38
NC-Dem (PPP): Burr 43, Marshall 37
CA (Rasmussen): Boxer 42, Fiorina 38

51
Obamas reported an adjusted gross income of $5,505,409 and reported donating $329,100 to 40 different charities, not counting the Nobel Prize money obviously.

...

Posted by: HeatherRadish at April 15, 2010 01:19 PM (mR7mk)

I'm guessing that at least $329,000 of that total went to activist "charities" like the Sierra Club, ACORN, Planned Parenthood, and that lunatic racist Jeremiah Wright's "church".

I doubt if any of it went towards anything charitable.

52 Guess on congressional staffer: Just about any DemonRat. Probably somebody on Pat Leahy's staff. Guess on journalist: Anybody at NYT. Dana whatsername at WAPO -- not Milbank, the scrunt with the first name of Dana. And, of course, Sid "never let the facts get in the way of a good story" Blumenthal.

53

OT
FL-GOP (Quinnipiac): Rubio 56, Crist 33
PA (Susquehanna): Toomey 48, Specter 38
NC-Dem (PPP): Burr 43, Marshall 37
CA (Rasmussen): Boxer 42, Fiorina 38

yea, but there is a new poll that says crist could beat rubio and meek as an independent

personally i think he will run as an independent, lose and then be given a job at the RNC or one of the Republican campaign groups.

54 Some guy and his wife who got caught selling a half million bucks worth of F-14 parts to Iran a few years ago got about 3 years.  This crapweasle will probably only get a year if that.  Treason just doesn't capture the DOJ's interest like it used to.

55

Obamas reported an adjusted gross income of $5,505,409 and reported donating $329,100 to 40 different charities, not counting the Nobel Prize money obviously.

i thought the president wasn't allowed to make money while in office other than his paycheck? or is it that the president can't use his office to make money. I forget

56 I doubt if any of it went towards anything charitable.

Press release says biggest donations were to CARE, whatever the hell that is, and United Can-We-Still-Say-This-Word? College Fund.

57

Obamas reported an adjusted gross income of $5,505,409

Hey!! Look over there...some CEO made 3 million bucks last year.  OUTRAGEOUS!!!!

58 yea, but there is a new poll that says crist could beat rubio and meek as an independent

Sponge Bob could beat Meek, so that's not surprising. 

Meek's biggest problem is that he's not too bright and exceptionally corrupt...just like his mother was.

59

 Some guy and his wife who got caught selling a half million bucks worth of F-14 parts to Iran a few years ago got about 3 years.  This crapweasle will probably only get a year if that.  Treason just doesn't capture the DOJ's interest like it used to.

Can somebody tell me the last time be tried someone for treason or sedition and gave them the death penalty? I feel like we don't do it anymore. I can think of the Rosenbergs, but that is about it.

The last time we gave someone the death penalty and then executed him immediately was Timothy McVeigh. Does anyone else find it a bit macbre that we tried and killed McVeight in under 5 years, yet we haven't done the same to any islamic terrorists?

60 i thought the president wasn't allowed to make money while in office other than his paycheck?

Their investments are supposed to go into a (ha, ha, ha) "blind trust". 

61 Barky: Must be a conspiracy!!!

62

You are probably right. Sean Penn is playing shitbag Joe Wilson (aka Mr. Valerie Plame) in the adaptation of that scrunt's book Fair Game.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff is hung like David Carradine at April 15, 2010 01:19 PM (xGIqT)

Is that going to be titled "hollywood's next big flop?"  Cause let's face it, that's exactly what it will be.

63 I'm guessing that at least $329,000 of that total went to activist "charities" like the Sierra Club, ACORN, Planned Parenthood, and that lunatic racist Jeremiah Wright's "church".

probably all of it went to Muslim charities.

64 Does anyone else find it a bit macbre that we tried and killed McVeight in under 5 years

Its been my opinion for a while that McVeigh was "fast tracked" to shut him up so he wouldn't be able to start talking about certain inconvenient things at a later date.

65 Would not surprise me in the least if that cockholster Blumenthal is mixed up in this.  Just reading the excerpt from his screed, I've never seen so much overblown leftie conspiracy theory horseshit in my life.

66

Does anyone else find it a bit macbre that we tried and killed McVeight in under 5 years

Its been my opinion for a while that McVeigh was "fast tracked" to shut him up so he wouldn't be able to start talking about certain inconvenient things at a later date.

Yeah, that's always been my theory as well and i am not one for conspiracies. It was just so crazy that he was tried and killed so quickly. I've always been meaning to read a book called "The Third Terrorist" which was by some lady who implied there were infact middle eastern connections, or at the very least that is wasn't McNichols and McVeigh alone who commited the act.

67 Is that going to be titled "hollywood's next big flop?"  Cause let's face it, that's exactly what it will be.

Like John Nolte says, they're really not in it to make a profit.

68

"Obamas reported an adjusted gross income of $5,505,409..."

 

I wonder if Baucus included Obama in that group of people who make just too darn much money.

69 More OT poll dancing, only interesting in the fact that maybe America is finally starting to see thru the marxist-in-chief and November's possibilities:

From PPP
Our monthly look ahead to the 2012 Presidential race finds Barack Obama more or less tied with all four of the leading candidates for the Republican nomination. He trails Mike Huckabee 47-45 and Mitt Romney 45-44, ties Newt Gingrich at 45-45, and leads Sarah Palin 47-45. This is the weakest performance Obama's posted in these 13 monthly surveys and a pretty clear indication that passing health care has not done anything to enhance his political standing, at least in the short term.

70 Our monthly look ahead to the 2012 Presidential race finds Barack Obama more or less tied with all four of the leading candidates for the Republican nomination. He trails Mike Huckabee 47-45 and Mitt Romney 45-44, ties Newt Gingrich at 45-45, and leads Sarah Palin 47-45. Huckabee. Christ. Could somebody please get pictures of him with a dead girl or a live boy and put us out of our misery?

71 didn't mcveigh demand to be executed?

72 Don't want to go into those parts of the internet today; but how did McVeigh get the getaway car in place?

73 As soon as I read the entry, I suspected this has everything to do with the European bank account monitoring that we were doing to suspected Terrorists.

I hope this guy rots.  The Newspaper in question *cough* NYT *cough* should also be prosecuted for knowingly publishing NS information.

74 didn't mcveigh demand to be executed?

He didn't demand exactly but he dropped ALL of his appeals. The only delay that occurred in the trial was when the FBI released thousands of pp of evidence that had been withheld during discovery.  They delayed the execution for 6 months.

If that had been the average "free mumia" minority it would have drug on for another ten years.

I don't think it was a great conspiracy, I think it was someone the ACLU and the left in general didn't give a shit about so they didn't lift a finger.

It shows how much faster the process would work if we could stifle all the leftist lawyers. 

75 23 The indictment mentions that the reporter did stories in 2006 & 2007 involving SIGINT,

Looky what we have here morons back in 2006.  Our old friend Sidney Blumenthal.

Will keep searching.

Posted by: David in San Diego at April 15, 2010 12:54 PM (/U/Mr)

Miss me yet?

76 Hey Dave in San Diago 

That website that you link to is a CESSPOOL of leftards.  Just look at one of their more tame posts:

"it's time to drag the war criminals into the streets and strip-hang them by their ankles mussolini style. then go into the great parasite congress and drag out arlan 'the child molester' spector, lindsey 'the ghoul' graham, bill 'the cockroach' frist, tom 'the vichy french fry' delay and the rest of the repulsive repugnant-ican fascists, then drag them into the streets where they can be drawn and quartered. afterwards we will have singing and dancing in the streets. the rest of the repug criminals and their jack-ass enablers we can burn at the stake. an alternative would be to have paris turn over the guillotine used to behead louis XVI. Robespierre will luv us for it."

LEFTARDED

77 Somehow the fact that Holder's DoJ is handling this makes me think that nothing is going to happen other than Drake will write an op ed in the Times about the witch hunt and in the end he will lose his pension but get it back after years of appeals.

78 Reporter A worked at the Baltimore Sun, and is now at the Wall Street Journal. Her name is Siobhan Gorman.

I danced at her wedding.

79 This is espionage writ clear, in my book - both on the parts of the NSA traitor and the paper's editorial staff and reporter.

80

you start to wonder where the idea that the intelligence services were Bush's pawns came from.

Usually, I hear crap like this from a guy who caught the tail end of a story on NPR or from a lady who skims the headlines in The New York Times or from some middle-aged punk who thinks that Jon Stewart is a credible journalist or from some neighborhood douchebag commie who got the notion from some famous douchbag commie. These are the same people, by the way, who faked their way through the 1984 unit in tenth-grade English and throw around words like Orwellian while being mistakenly certain as to what they mean.

81 Oh, and guess what? Siobhan Gorman's articles were about the failures of modernization efforts. Not leaking national security material, but things that the public needed to know.

You know, waste, fraud, incompetence?

82 These are the same people, by the way, who faked their way through the 1984 unit in tenth-grade English and throw around words like Orwellian while being mistakenly certain as to what they mean.

Posted by: FireHorse at April 15, 2010 02:34 PM (cQyWA)

Why bother reading the book when they are actual, living examples of it?

83 Good. And the NYT reporters and editors responsible deserve to spend a bit of time in the pen, too.

84 Baltimore Sun. Mismanagement, waste and fraud. To say nothing of incompetence.

Ha.

85 Christ, these assholes are making me look life a 'effing piker

86 What is this "PP case" to which people refer?

87 87 What is this "PP case" to which people refer? Posted by: Wm T Sherman

Pentagon Papers.

Daniel Ellsberg, and his psychiatrist's office.

88 Posted by: Wm T Sherman at April 15, 2010 02:48 PM (w41GQ)

I assume "Pentagon Papers".

89 In a sane world, we would be having a revived Un-American Activities Committee on this. Of course, with the Obamunists running it, maybe scratch that...

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 15, 2010 01:06 PM (ujg0T)

And if Bambi & Co. did form such a committee, it would be chaired by Waxman and tasked with investigating the Tea Parties and the like...not the real un-Americans. Because then they'd have to investigate themselves. So yeah, scratch that.

90 What is this "PP case" to which people refer?

As said above, The Pentagon Papers Case. That is the landmark case for the NYT revealing classified info.

91 I'm going to put up the link for Siobhan Gorman's WSJ articles - it's going to take a while for me to find the Sun stuff.

Note what she writes, and what she writes about. Note the lack of stuff you feel she should be strung up from the nearest lamppost over, and then reassess Drake's "leaks."

He was a whistle-blower.

Link to WSJ articles is here: http://online.wsj.com/search/search_center

And I haven't the faintest how to use tiny url, so just enter "Siobhan Gorman"

92 CIA undermining foreign governments: BAD CIA undermining American Republicans: GOOD CIA undermining American Democats: BAD

93 OT:  "These are the questions whose answers will reap untold benefits on here on Earth." -- The Precedent

Just your daily dose of retarded idiocy from the Indonesian Imbecile in his pathetic talk to NASA.  And those NASA nuts ought to live their lives in shame for clapping for this pathetic POS and humoring his stupidity.

On a bright note, the Indonesian Imbecile managed to properly pronounce "Orion" this time.  Yay!  He's a genius!

Okay.  Carry on with talk of what this NSA traitor should have done to him (and the newspaper's staff and reporters).

94

A firing squad would be a nice touch for this prick.