Tax and Spend.  More so now, than ever.

Da Dims

Four year of nothing but taxes and a new voter base to make everything all official and legal at some later date.

http://tiny.cc/iNbW0

The White House declined on Thursday to rule out that President Barack Obama might sign future legislation, such as an immigration reform measure, that has not been put to a recorded yea-or-nay vote in both houses of Congress.

Absolutely AWESOME!

Think unemployment is bad now?

How high will it go?

All the money will go in a lock box

Think unemployment is bad now?

How high will it go?

3000%?

Think unemployment is bad now?

How high will it go?

It will probably be offset with massive expansion of the public sector, at least at first.

If I support him... I wont have to pay my mortgage or worry about putting gas in my car.

HOPE and CHANGE!

Roll Call says Marcy Kaptur is pushing a seperate vote reaffirming the Stupak language.  I don't have a subscription, maybe Morons in charge do?

Hey s'moron....

In case you didn't see it on the other thread, let me be clear here, kindly get bent.

If I support him... I wont have to pay my mortgage or worry about putting gas in my car.

HOPE and CHANGE!

Posted by: Dip shit who thought Obama was going to pay her mortgage at March 18, 2010 07:34 PM (7GgDy)

Peggy The Moocher.

This bill covers all... those with a negro dialect and those with  light skin and no negro dialect !

But.. if you are selling melons on the side of the road.. you will be taxed and probably out of business.... even if the cops stop traffic.

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at March 18, 2010 07:35 PM (otlXg)

Some people really believe that shit! Example.

Hypothetical question: What if this doesn't pass, and Obama goes through his first and only term without "doing" healthcare, and a Republican House, a Republican Senate and a Republican President put forth the exact same bill?

How do you think the the Dems would vote?

Posted by: Consort of Hades at March 18, 2010 07:44 PM (J46Fi)

Martial law should be set by then. The aristocrats can go back to frolicking then.

Are you not Hopenchanged?

ARE YOU NOT HOPENCHANGED?

How do you think the the Dems would vote?

Against the Republican bill. I really think some of them hate Republicans & conservatives so much that they would stop their own agenda in order to "stick one" to the Rs.

Think unemployment is bad now?
How high will it go?
Posted by: Timbo at March 18, 2010 07:31 PM (7GgDy)

I know some small business owners that will start letting some full and part-timers go when (if) this crap sandwich passes.  These folks operate with very small profit margins, and the new Obamacare mandates will all but eat away those profits, and maybe drive them into the red.  So, to stay viable, they will reduce their staffs.  And that's going to happen all over America.  I can also imagine that larger companies will pack up and go overseas to avoid the expense caused by more regulation.  If this monstrosity passes over the weekend, we'll probably start seeing layoffs right away, and May's unemployment numbers will be a disaster. 

And how increased taxation/regulation will somehow spur demand is beyond me. Dark times folks, dark times.

That's not a bug, it's a feature.  Obama WANTS America to fail, he has wanted to destroy America since, well, forever really.  The hate and rage bottled up inside that man is something to behold.  The mask dropped a little bit yesterday during Obama's interview with Brett Baier on Fox.  Just like it dropped a little bit during Paul Ryan's speech at the whoop-de-do health care summit a few weeks ago.  Just like it dropped during the debates with Hillary when he gave her the finger. 

We have something the Founders never imagined, we have our worst enemy in the White House.  We have our next worst enemy in charge of the Justice Dept.  Dark times indeed.

Moronettes:  Stock up on "feminine products."  They're now going to be considered medical products and will be sporting a new healthcare tax.

Morons:  Condoms, I think are going to be considered medical devices, too.  I wouldn't risk thinking all those other things next to them on the shelf are going to be immune from tax either.  Hint: squeak, squeak.

Moron Nation:  Toothbrushes.  Yep, we're not even Great Britain and toothbrushes will be considered medical devices after Ovomit dons his lefty pen to sign his John Hancock.  Hussein.

loppyd: Here's a free link to the Roll Call story.

http://is.gd/aNZPS

Posted by: wtfci at March 18, 2010 07:43 PM (+zo63)

Thank you.  It looks like the pro-abortion skanks will nevah let it happen.

Rushbabe - are you f*cking serious?  Tampons and toothbrushes? 

What about states with no sales tax like NH?  Can they say FU?

I am going to need a corner to rock back and forth in pretty soon.

Morons:  Condoms

Awww, that's awfully hopeful RushBabe.

You're assuming they get laid!

@32: "If I didn't know any better, I would think their agenda is not just to destroy America, but to bring Western Civilization down with it."

Hell yeah, we are.  Fascist white regime mufuckas gotta pay for oppressing the superior peoples of this world.  In My Name....

Posted by: Donna at March 18, 2010 07:46 PM (6heFO)

Allaying a lingering concern about immigration issues in the health-care battle, the Congressional Hispanic Caucus announced its unanimous support for President Obama's key domestic agenda initiative.

The decision knocks down another potential roadblock to reaching the necessary 216 votes for final passage...

Rep. Nydia Velazquez (D-N.Y.), with more than 20 CHC members behind her, told reporters the broader impact of the legislation overrode the other concerns. She said 8.8 million Latinos would gain insurance coverage in the legislation, a "historic opportunity" not to be missed.

http://tiny.cc/hvGBY

AWESOME SAUCE!

Posted by: bergerbilder at March 18, 2010 07:53 PM (S1Ttj)

Yeah, but the wily blacksmith makes two keys. IYKWIM

Posted by: Consort of Hades at March 18, 2010 07:44 PM (J46Fi)

Right now they don't have the votes for Sunday, they are trying to build momentum and switch the final few. If it doesn't pass by Sunday then it won't get to Obama by the time break starts. If that happens they have to go through the same procedural votes when they get back and Reps will have faced their constituents again. That means more to flip and more arm twisting.

Bet he never had to take out a loan, though.

That would be correct. Soros funded and approved.

Posted by: This is rape-rape at March 18, 2010 07:55 PM (6wUpV)

Raising rates as if it were part of a script?

Posted by: Consort of Hades at March 18, 2010 07:44 PM (J46Fi)

I believe that's when the parade ends.

@50: "Bet he never had to take out a loan, though."

'Course I took out loans.  I just never paid 'em back, sucka.  They were simply proper gifts to My magnificence.

Posted by: Donna at March 18, 2010 07:46 PM (6heFO)

@54: "we have our worst enemy in the White House.  We have our next worst enemy in charge of the Justice Dept.  Dark times indeed."

Yeah, I see what you did there, racist.

Posted by: Trish at March 18, 2010 07:55 PM (yqhkv)

She made history, that's for sure.

I wish I could be in DC - too poor (thanks, Barry) to take train and my car is running like crap.

DiT, +1 for the Caddyshack reference

xoxo,

Judge Smail's niece

Posted by: Unclefacts, Purveyor of Fine Meteors at March 18, 2010 08:10 PM (erIg9)

What about the Acorn and Black Panthers Elections Administration Act? That's sure to be a big hit as well!

>> Judge Smail's niece

sweeeeeet

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at March 18, 2010 08:08 PM (a9UO0)

Um, if you think it is unarmed, resist and let us know what happens.

Posted by: sandy burger at March 18, 2010 08:12 PM (MT+0i)

Do you work for the RNC?

Constitutional Convention.

Amendment:  Upon ratification of this amendment, the law know as ObamaCare shall be repealed in its entirety.  All persons who voted in favor or final passage, or signed into law, this law shall be immediately removed from office, they shall be barred from holding any office, elective or otherwise, in the federal government of the United States and all benefits accrued to them from their time in government shall be forfeit. 

Amendment:  Upon ratification of this amendment, the government of the United States shall be barred from negotiating with labor unions that represent workers employed by the govenment of the United States.

Contact you state representative about this idea.  If they won't support it then they are complicit in this crime.

OK, wait, two points I want to be sure are true, first off, RushBabe, are you positive feminine protection products will be taxed, is that in the bill?

And secondly, wtfci, is the "volunteering" in exchange for student loans truly in the Senate bill?

I am going to make sure that ONLY my friends get into Medical Schools from here on out!

No more evil Juice Doctors-

All your Scholarships are belong to me!!!!

So Natoma Canfield will have to rely on the current system, given the calendar and all. Fortunately for her, the current system is working to take care of her, and I wish her all the best in her fight.

We've got a nice parting gift for Ms. Canfield.

It's a lovely 'Obama 08' T-Shirt that she can be burried in!

History. Indeed.

108 I wouldn't be surprised if the insurance companies just stop taking new clients.  Its either take the pre-existing condition patients without the offsetting young group for 4 years of losses or just call your current clients good enough.  If a couple of them do this, all hell would break loose.

I think that you'll see immediate changes implemented within 90 days of passage of the bill.  One thing that's almost certain is a steep hike in premiums as they plan for community rating and guaranteed issue.  Another thing to watch for is how many physicians declare no more Medicare patients.  That is until the Feds force them to take to, which will come in time.  Another feature that will come are doctors taking cash only, until they outlaw that of course.  The more that I think of the implementation of this the more it looks likes a slow motion clusterfark that doesn't end well. 

And secondly, wtfci, is the "volunteering" in exchange for student loans truly in the Senate bill?

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 18, 2010 08:19 PM (RZ8pf)

I know that was being pushed on the Obama website. Not sure if it is in the bill. Who has even read this bill?

Constitutional Convention.

And secondly, wtfci, is the "volunteering" in exchange for student loans truly in the Senate bill?

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 18, 2010 08:19 PM (RZ8pf)

It's in the house reconcilliation bill. I didn't check on the tampex.

My arugula and wagyu steak will be oh so bland.

I am here to inform you that your dinner has filed a class action lawsuit against you for cruel and torturous malevolence along with assault and battery.

Doesn't matter if that steak wasn't Chicken Fried...it's not that kind of battery.

I know some small business owners that will start letting some full and part-timers go when (if) this crap sandwich passes. 

Me too!  I am one of them.  and I know many other small biz in my area who will be laying off people.

I've closed up shop. 

 No point in keeping the 'doors' open when nobody has a penny to spend or invest.  My buisness dried up at the thought of having Obama or any other Dem at the Helm...

oddly enough, things have only gotten worse!?!?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 18, 2010 08:28 PM (OkT2m)

They were only really lying baby killers?

I'm scanning the reconciliation bill now, so far all the student loan information pertains only to people pursuing degrees in the medical fields, and there is quite a list of what this covers.

Which makes sense to me, you want to ensure that people still enter the health care profession so guarantee them the money to get their degree if they agree to jobs in health care after graduation.

I'm still looking for how this applies to student loans in general.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 18, 2010 08:18 PM (OkT2m)

Don't be so sure.

http://tiny.cc/1I0n6

Another feature that will come are doctors taking cash only

Black market/Cash only = no receipt = no proof he ever adminstered health care = no malpractice lawsuits/insurance = cheapest goddamn healthcare you ever saw.

See? It works!

Of course it also means some of them will be schysters who'll remove your appendix for profit...

See? Obama was right! He was just ahead of his time.

Hmm, OK what the heck is "cultural and linguistic competency training programs for health care professionals?" Sec. 2251 of the reconciliation bill.

Also, is this the reconciliation bill the ultimate one they are voting on? I still don't get what the hell they are voting for on Sunday.

http://tiny.cc/1I0n6

German propaganda in favour of killing the "suffering handicapped" is the main pic featured on that Wiki. Guess we can no longer say we're better than that, can we?

Which makes sense to me, you want to ensure that people still enter the health care profession so guarantee them the money to get their degree if they agree to jobs in health care after graduation.

You bet! Make medical school free and then add a heapin' helpin' 'O' affirmative action and purty quick you have "Doctors" who can't read or write. Check the President of Detroit's skool bord.

Not only will nobody get benefits for four years, but does anyone actually believe that all of that money coming in will not be spent on other things?  That the pain will not be kicked down the road?

It isn't only that we are shunting this off on our children.  It's that we are stealing any opportunity that many of them might have to succeed to the extent that those opportunities were extended to us by our parents. 

Our children will have every right to despise our memories.

"cultural and linguistic competency training programs for health care professionals?" 

Oi.

Corporate Sensitivity Training reeducation camps for doctors...

I've read about 20 pages so far and based on my reading there will be tons of grant money for "studies" of various things and getting a degree and subsequent job in any health care related field, no matter how tangential, will guarantee not only your education is paid, but a well paying job with the government too.

The parts I've read so far are so supremely Orwellian as to be almost farce.

At what point do we start putting AA quotas on organ transplant recipients?

Hmm, OK what the heck is "cultural and linguistic competency training programs for health care professionals?" Sec. 2251 of the reconciliation bill.

Also, is this the reconciliation bill the ultimate one they are voting on? I still don't get what the hell they are voting for on Sunday.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 18, 2010 08:41 PM (RZ8pf)"

They probably think that they are going to import doctors.  Ergo they have to teach them about American culture and traditions and the language.   Ever since I realized how cheap life is in some countries and how the doctors have absolutely no qualms letting someone die I avoid those people.   My doctor friends say I'm right.

Posted by: Deanna at March 18, 2010 08:48 PM (JXlgX)"

Been wondering about this.  If you are employed your employer pays the fine for not providing insurance and then you pay the fine again for not buying insurance on your own....So, like with your savings, the government gets paid twice. 

168 Another noble effort but I'm hesitant.

Bush passed a bill using the same procedure. Ironically Pelosi and a few other wackadoodles filed cert to overturn that bill and that lawsuit was tossed.

There's not as much precedent that way so perhaps there is a chance.

Honestly, I think we just have to be creative to take this thing apart bit-by-bit. Find young people brave enough to file a class action stating they have standing to sue based on fact the feds cannot compel them to purchase health care.

I'm scanning the reconciliation bill now, so far all the student loan information pertains only to people pursuing degrees in the medical fields, and there is quite a list of what this covers.

Posted by: AE at March 18, 2010 08:28 PM (kSfPT)

Hang in there AE, you've got company.  Stay nimble and able to move/adapt quickly.  Sometimes smaller is better.  So long as there is still a scintilla of the free market at work, then we SB's will make it.  Maybe not with growth/profitability levels that we've had in the past, but we're in a new era where the paradigm has changed.  Cash is king and debt is evil.  There will be better days ahead, this is America after all.  Press on and never give up. 

Also, is this the reconciliation bill the ultimate one they are voting on? I still don't get what the hell they are voting for on Sunday.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 18, 2010 08:41 PM (RZ8pf)

That's what they say, but we're talkng democrats here so you know.

The part about the forgiveness of the loan was under the section that changed loan payment from 15% of income to 10 and forgiveness from 25 years to 20 if you were a normal American and 10 if you worked for the government.

Posted by: Trish at March 18, 2010 08:47 PM (yqhkv)

If that was tongue in cheek, let me tell you something.  I lived in Europe for a number of years and they have those.  The state run hospitals are for the average person who can't really afford beyond the minimum care.  Almost every doctor, ran a small private hospital - one to ten beds - for wealthy clients. 

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 18, 2010 08:44 PM (J46Fi)

Sadly, there is no proper legal recourse to a coup.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at March 18, 2010 08:51 PM (A46hP)"

doctors by and large don't belong to the union.  All the other health care professionals do.   It almost looks as though Andy is running this county, both executive and legislative branches.  Wonder if it was his idea to expand the size of the Supreme Court and stock it with "those who see their point of view".  he is quietly stocking the other courts.  There are so many appointment  in the WH briefing room section it would shock you.

Obama's version of health care reform is Affirmative Action to eleventy.  You'll be lucky if you get a dokter as smart as the current president of the Detroit Skool Boerde..........The totalitarian control in these bills is truly frightening.  The criminally insane will have total control of your life, death, job prospects, and everything will be enforced through the IRS thru mandatory enrollment in payroll deduction.

We are all to be punished.  I just can't get over the hatefulness of Obama and how the democrats are lining up to destroy us because he tells them to do it. 

White males are only 33% of the population.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at March 18, 2010 08:57 PM

Maybe, but Cameron was pretty specific in that this may not be the final bill on Sunday and that it could make the rounds between the House and Senate again before it gets signed.   

"Ironically Pelosi and a few other wackadoodles filed cert to overturn that bill and that lawsuit was tossed. "

Not the same.  Several constitutional lawyers have already weighed in on this - apples & oranges.

There's several precedents already established.  One is the line item veto, which was struck down as unconstitutional.  Guess who joined that decision?

JP Stevens.

Pretty soon the only approved "medical device" for Americans with serious illness will be the lead pill - administered in .38 caliber doses to the back of the head by the local constabulary.  I've read plenty about the medical system in England, which Canada will soon emulate, and you might just as well pray for a swift death if you suffer any major sickness.  It would be far more merciful. 

So, we may soon have a "government" (more like a mafia-like collection of criminal scum) who violate the supreme law of the land in order to create a system that steals your wealth while accellerating your death.  At what point can we say that it no longer has a legitimate claim to rule?  When our children are taken away and made wards of the state in re-education camps, or when our parents are gassed for being "useless eaters?" 

I used to think that the liberal-rich and heads of governments wanted US health care to remain good, so they could be saved while their people died.  Alas - Central America now has medical tourism, so the rich and the bureaucrats will be fine.  They will have better access to MRI machines, blood tests, medicines, etc than Americans have in their own country.  What bullshit. 

I'm not trusting Lynch's supposed "no" vote. He's a whip, for starters.

Something Stinks.
My bet is he’s a ringer. None of these feckless assholes want to be the crucial “last vote” to decide this thing-
he is the setup. He will be the one so none of the others have to be.

CÂ’mon, Massachusetts Lib and a Union guy?? He even voted FOR the slaughter rule after talking about how crappy it was.

We canÂ’t count on this guy at all. As soon as they are within one, my bet is he comes back into the fold.

Cadillac tax opposition my ass- that will never draw a dime. They will protect their union buddies ten times over in ten years before that tax ever hits....

Posted by: Gaff at March 18, 2010 09:04 PM (mTB3

Indeed.  I say to any Moron with the means, get out now.  Get your assets out.  Get yourself out.  Get out of this sink hole before the Liberals strip away everything you've worked your whole life for.  Better to live like a petty noble in the 3rd world than to live as a slave in the US.  If I had enough to leave I'd do it.  I know people who ARE doing it, because there is no future here if the leftists get their way.

Posted by: Blackford Oakes at March 18, 2010 09:12 PM (BiCQw)

On the contrary.  The left would be happy to exile conservatives from Earth, wait for us to make Mars a new Eden.  Then swoop in like fucking locusts, take it by perverting the law and persuading us that we would be in the wrong to fire a shot in our own defense, and then prompty rename the planet as "Marx."  Immediately measures would be taken to strip away everything good and give it away to the brain dead infantile masses left back on Earth. 

get out now.  Get your assets out.  Get yourself out.

http://5z8.info/worm_vyw

That's locals, mind you. I think if he had not 'volunteered' to surrender to 2 armed SWAT teams, they'd have shot the piss out of him ala Ruby Ridge and then given themselves medals.

American Exceptionalism is antiquated. It was real once, the idea that it persists or will persist is a crock, unless something drastic happens.

It would be nice to have a fresh start on Mars, but the moonbats will likely block any attempts to terraform that place to protect the native microbes.

Astonishingly.... Obama seems to have NOT fucked up NASA. Yet. They actually seem to be pursuing a better plan than they were under Bush.

"The struggle has always been about Liberty vs. Tyranny. The tree needs a drink, morons."

During the American Revolution, the populace could roughly be divided:

Loyalist & serfs, to their royal masters - 1/3

Patriots, that we today, owe everything to - 1/3

Couldn't be bothered, too timid, and eeyores - 1/3

Mull that over.  Review the recent posts. 

didn't he promise some congressman that they can be the head of NASA

That's why I said "yet".

and hasn't he essentially gone in the direction of privatizing space and neutering NASA?

YES! Hence better.

Seriously though, the new NASA plan, if it suceeds, is much more viable long term. The new NASA plan has a long term. The old one didn't.

Very uncharacteristic, ain't it?

Broken clock...

Guy, it's all hypcrosy,

it was about sticking it to US personally, making their green deals,, making us comply to their desires gaia all fraud, all.the.time. control

oh thanks ge, that brings great cht to life.

had a bottle of wine, hope that made sense.

ugh, sorry that's already been said

i thought someone said Obama gave someone a top post to Nasa for vote, (i might be making that up)

Posted by: willow at March 18, 2010 09:36 PM (7FgWm)"

Everything is running together these days but this may have been said on a talk radio type of program and then brought to the blogs or vice versa.

but where's the venture capital going to come from when everyone's being taxed to death?

That's part of why I said "if it works".

But where's the capital going to come from with the government imploding into a giant ball of dept?

Especially if you nationalize healthcare. Can you justify 50 billion dollar trips to the moon for idle curiosity when people are dying because the system is bankrupt?

The market will make a better decision as to whether we can currently afford space exploration.

Besides - the only way we'll ever do anything of real note out there is if we find something to do. At the moment there's no real material reason to go into space. If we ever want to break out into space in a big way, we've got to find an economic motive for going out there that's capable of funding the trip.

Once that happens, space exploration will become common - and then technology will REALLY be developed and cash will be diverted to research in ways NASA could never dream. Then it'll become cheap and easy. Then you'll wind up in space if you please.

There's a purpose to NASA pioneering the way on something that's far too large and complex for anyone but government to do. But in the long run there's no point to NASA if all there ever is is NASA.

The grand plan is not difficult to figure out at all. There's been 2 centuries of planning and teaching and theorizing, open to all for see. The only barrier in some cases being a thick cypher of postmodernist prose.

It is difficult to believe that they mean what they say.

@168: "What would the proper legal recourse be, then?"

Shut up and do what you're told, plebian worker drone.  Your treason by thought, treason by word, treason by deed, and treason by other means has been duly noted.

Posted by: Sam Houston at March 18, 2010 10:02 PM (F6+/O)

Gotta let it all play out.

@187: "Wavering Dems who did:

• Jason Altmire, Pennsylvania.
• John Barrow, Georgia.
• John Boccieri, Ohio.
• Allen Boyd, Florida.
• Leonard Boswell, Iowa.
• Joe Donnelly, Indiana.
• Brad Ellsworth, Indiana.
• Baron Hill, Indiana.
• Marcy Kaptur, Ohio.
• Dan Maffei, New York.
• Jim Marshall, Georgia.
• Jim Matheson, Utah.
• Michael McMahon, New York.
• Betsy Markey, Colorado.
• Patrick Murphy, Pennsylvania.
• Earl Pomeroy, North Dakota.
• Nick Rahall, West Virginia.
• Joe Sestak, Pennsylvania.
• Carol Shea Porter, New Hampshire.
• Ike Skelton, Missouri.
• Zach Space, Ohio.
• John Spratt, South Carolina.
• Charlie Wilson, Ohio."

Lists like that are sort Shakespearian...

Antony: Thes many, then, shall die; their names are prick'd.

Octavius: Your brother too must die; consent you, Lepidus?

Lepidus: I do consent...

Octavis: Prick him down, Antony.

Lepidus: . . . upon condition Publius shall not live, who is your sister's son, Mark Antony.

Antony: He shall not live; look, with a spot I damn him.

sorry it was the wine it seemed a great epiphany when i typed it.

sigh

@234: "If it passes then the Scott Brown election really meant nothing."

Fixed that for ya.

Posted by: Former Consort of Hades, now with the Valar at March 18, 2010 10:21 PM (J46Fi

The states are filing on behalf of the citizens. Now, Idaho has passed a law stating that the govt cannot forced any of their citizens to buy health insurance.

I do remember that being spoken of earlier in the evening also some 30 states were also contemplating similar.

ok all is not lost we join those states and such that have decided to legally challenge

do they have a chance?

do they have a chance?

Posted by: willow at March 18, 2010 10:26 PM (7FgWm)

They have to go through the motions regardless.

@254: "do they have a chance?"

Not really, no.

Rat.

true. we might be at a low point. i know i am.. but we must fight back for the kids and  the future kids .

so we joim groups donate time and if some have money that too.

Jefferson,  well if they don't we must still try and reason and figure out the best legal recpourse we can find, if that fails ,

well we will hope with all the brilliant minds in America some of them will stand with us and fight.

curious, i always think Rham , fish steak,knives and massa, stupak.

have politics always been this dirty?

51  That's exactly what I think will happen; if this should pass -- I'm still of the opinion that this isn't over by a long shot.  This is about grabbing money for the Fed, plain and simple (plus the puking little statists get the jolllies out of some more power, at their own danger).  The idiots have banked on the economy at the very least not getting any worse and perhaps getting better (which I honestly don't see happening).  I think they shortchanged the American people's ingenuity (the ones that still have it intact, which can be suprising) and the entitlement groups patience in getting the goodies.  This is where they may trip themselves up -- it is very much like the reich...but with a stalinesque twist: they are pandering to, catering to the most unproductive members of society, while demonizing the very people who keep the country afloat -- in the end, it will not work; in the end many of them will eat each other if this keeps up.

Get as much medical care out of the way soon, stockpile on things you might need in that department, maybe start taking better care of yourself (because you're going to need your health intact).  It's going to be a rough for a while. I'd also advise keeping your heads down and your intentions quiet if things should get really bad.  Never hurts to be prepared.

anoyjer query, those that are found out to have been bribed, will those votes be deemed worthy?

- or can it forfeit/invalidate as we know it was already involved in an illegal action to get the  the vote?

for instance if you commit a crime as a businessman they take back anything they deemed you earned from that action /also fine/imprisonment why not with all this bribery?

why wouldn't that be pertinent to an elected officials vote? even federal gvt?

Posted by: T Jefferson at March 18, 2010 09:21 PM (F6+/O)

Humph. Are you saying that Thomas Jefferson was a birther? We already know he was a white slaveholding rapist. Who cares what he has to say? Keep up with the birtherism, wingnuts. I'm enjoying your death throes.

curious, i always think Rham , fish steak,knives and massa, stupak.

have politics always been this dirty?

Posted by: willow at March 18, 2010 10:44 PM (7FgWm)"

Well I personally have never paid this close attention to politics.  I know I have always been more well informed than my peers as I am the go to person when you have a question but I laughed when Batchelor was speaking to a Congressman guest earlier and the congressman said "my God people are coming up to me in the grocery store and asking me to explain reconciliation to them and we are attracting a crowd"....so willow, you and I are not alone.

My dad said "daley politics of Chicago" was always horrible.  Worse than the worst old fashioned mobster.  He said his generation is responsible for thinking they had disappeared when in reality they went underground only to resurface now a lot stronger than they were before.  His generation is wondering how "things got so bad so fast without (us) them seeing it and recognizing it".   I feel bad for them, they didn't see this coming and they feel terrible. 

Just think, if Kerry had won in 2004 we might be in the second term of "President Did You Know I Served in Viet Nam and Had a Magic Hat in Cambodia."

Kerry's a nitwit but isn't filled with hate and rage.  Between Kerry & Edwards the White House would be a non-stop party of fools and girlfriends. Or both.

Posted by: Another Stupid Typical Fucking Moonbat at March 18, 2010 10:59 PM (C0+zS)"

Carter, though misguided and unable to handle the presidency, loved America.

The funnest part of taking the House back in November will be the power to subpoena

It's only March.  November is a looong way off, and the new congress won't be sworn in next January, ten months from now.

There are two words I'm starting to repeat to myself, to keep my spirits up.

REPEAL & IMPEACH!

"Carter, though misguided and unable to handle the presidency, loved America."

Really? I'll raise you 1 Ramsey Clark,  a UN Ambassador dealing with terrorists, and a drunk brother working for Qadaffi.....

Carter, though misguided and unable to handle the presidency, loved America.

Posted by: curious at March 18, 2010 11:07 PM (p302b)

It wasn't that Carter loved America that kept him under control, to a good extent, it was that he was of American culture - as nutty as he was.  There were certain taboos in our culture that he wouldn't break, not because he didn't want to, but because the subconscious ties he had to them put them even out of consideration for him.  That was the whole point that the Founders were hinging on in the 'natural born citizen' clause. 

The Precedent is totally out of control, and without any restraint, whatsoever, because he is not only not of this culture (he's a third worlder straight through, with his formative years in Indonesia having served to build the bulk of his personality) but he holds our culture and all of our institutions in utter contempt.  This is why he is so dangerous and poses a threat to the US that our nation has never before seen.  Well, it's that and the fact that affirmative action (and general feelings of white guilt) have shielded him from any real criticism (I have yet to hear any public voices talk explicitly about what a total moron he is) and the lame stream media has been more than complicit in lying about him and for him in ways never before seen.  All that together makes him lethal.

280-Can only go by the page or so in the history book.

LOL actually, my point may have made your case a bit as well....

I was a kid at the time, but Carter was an absolute fool. He also was a bit of a narcissist -sounding familiar? Played the down homey peanut farmer to the hilt, but was every bit an elitist lefty snob who would rather suck wine and cheeses with the Village People than do  beer and BBQ with the NASCAR crowd- The dude got spooked by a bunny once!

It was with a sigh of relief when he was voted out- Iran had the last laugh- waiting 30 minutes into Reagan's presidency to release the Hostages.

Memorable things of the Carter years? America held Hostage, Gas Lines, High Inflation, the Misery Index, The whole damn third world falling to communism, Russians invading Afganistan and Jimmah sitting on TV in his stupid sweater saying we won't go to the olympics. Yeah, that's hittin' em where it hurt.

What a Puss.....

and to think the current asshole is looking like he may bump Carter up a notch from the bottom on  the "Crappiest Administration" list....

If you think McCain would have saved you from this you haven't been paying attention to the last century. Or any before it.

At best you're passing the buck. He'd have done damage, not good. Maybe less damage but damage still. And Obama would be around the corner. And then the next corner. And then the next.

If he's what it takes to wake people up to the nature of what's gone wrong, so be it. He is necessary. If not, then it's irrelevant.

If people don't wake up to what's going on, snap out of it and fight back, it's over anyway.

"Speaker Pelosi will stop at nothing to fulfill her corrupt conquests. She will bring all of the corrupt ACORN liars to try to bully all the Democrats that may be having pangs of guilt knowing quite surely what their votes can and will do. If they’re bullied into saying “yes,” it will destroy America.

Europe gets a free ride on a cart pulled by America. They are interwoven with our economy and protected by our military.

What the hell is going to happen to them when America tries to get a free ride on the cart pulled by America?

If things get third world medieval here, they'll get downright neolithic over there.

Hell, almost any Dem that you can name would be better for us than Obama

If by better you mean killing you slower.

How is looking for an anorexic, fussy tiger any different then trying to be the last eaten?