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March 19, 2010

FoxNews: Democratic Leadership Privately Saying They Already Have the Votes
— Ace

That was on Fox, so no link yet. But Clyburn, the Democratic Whip, is no longer saying he doesn't have the votes yet. He's saying instead that by Sunday he will.

That, of course, is precisely what you'd expect him to say, whether he has the votes or not. He (and Pelosi, and Obama, and etc.) need to convince people this is inevitable.

Still, it's worth noting the change in tune:

"I feel very sure that we will vote sometime after 2 o'clock on Sunday and the bill will pass," Democratic Representative James Clyburn, the top House vote-counter, told reporters.
...
Clyburn said he and his lieutenants were trying to educate about two dozen publicly undecided Democrats on the benefits of the overhaul. He said they picked up a valuable tool when budget analysts gave the bill a good grade.
...
"There are five or six people who have concerns over here, six or 12 who have concerns over there -- there is no one thing," Clyburn said.
A business lobbyist pushing against the deal and tracking the votes said on condition of anonymity: "Our count is that they are still four short. But they are going to get there."

CNN: Cao Back on the Fence. As Tweeted by KLopez.

In an email, DrewM. points out Cao's district is +25D. He only won because he followed William "Cold Cash" Jefferson. He is extremely unlikely to hold the seat and will then, presumably, need to run in some other, more Republican-leaning district.

Does he really want to throw his career away?

If the votes for this, he might as well make it official and become a Democrat.

I've Got A Bad Feeling About Jason Altmire: Jason Altmire was on all the cable stations two days ago talking about how undecided he was, and how he was opposed to this, that, and the other thing.

I initially took that as good news, but now I'm thinking he just wanted to get on the air to make a big show about being torn about this vote so when he does vote for it, as he plans to do, he can claim that at least he took a long time pondering it and all that crap.

Just One Vote Shy? Boccieri's No-to-Yes was apparently vote 215, according to FoxNews' count.

Posted by: Ace at 09:57 AM | Comments (251)
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1 BASTARDS! AHHHHHHH!

Posted by: Gerry Owen at March 19, 2010 09:59 AM (4Hy88)

Wow, First?

Posted by: Gerry Owen at March 19, 2010 10:00 AM (4Hy88)

3 hmm, so if it is scheduled to be voted on sunday Where's the bill and our 72 hours to read it>?

Posted by: willow at March 19, 2010 10:00 AM (7FgWm)

They do not have the votes yet. Maybe they're just 5 away.

Keep fighting!

Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at March 19, 2010 10:00 AM (ucq49)

5 BS

Posted by: Barbarian at March 19, 2010 10:00 AM (EL+OC)

6 "There are five or six people who have concerns over here, six or 12 who have concerns over there -- there is no one thing," Clyburn said.

Who talks like that? Six or 12? Fuckn imbecile.

Posted by: IreneFingIrene at March 19, 2010 10:01 AM (MFQJZ)

7 Don't think this is a done deal. The leaked memo that POLITICO has released reveals an additional 300+ billion to be added with the doc fix add on .... the D's are doing this to fool people into thinking that the total is below 1 trillion...not so, and the memo is dropped NOW so we still have time to fight,.

Posted by: ford at March 19, 2010 10:01 AM (Ki7fm)

8 You used me like an ashtray heart
Case of the punks
Right from the start
I feel like a glass shrimp in a pink panty
With a saccharine chaperone
Make invalids out of supermen

Posted by: Don Van Vliet at March 19, 2010 10:01 AM (SCcgT)

9
That, of course, is precisely what you'd expect him to say...

INCONTHIEVABLE!

Posted by: This is Wallace Shawn at March 19, 2010 10:01 AM (z37MR)

10 Drudge is posting the memo at the top...this could force some of the yes back to the fence...the cost was what was holding some D's back.

Posted by: ford at March 19, 2010 10:02 AM (Ki7fm)

11
Clyburn said he and his lieutenants were trying to educate about two dozen publicly undecided Democrats on the benefits of the overhaul.

Educate. yeah - that's it. Educate.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at March 19, 2010 10:02 AM (0fzsA)

12 We are going to need "free" health care after all the damage this stress is doing to all of us. WILL THE LYING EVER STOP !?!

Posted by: Vet_Missing_Parts at March 19, 2010 10:03 AM (MCHyX)

13 Where is OUR William Wallace?

Posted by: mpfs at March 19, 2010 10:04 AM (iYbLN)

14 @13

You and your fast fingers.

Posted by: nickless at March 19, 2010 10:04 AM (MMC8r)

15 You have to know that for this memo to be leaked there are people in the D's that are looking for cover for their NO vote...this memo was leaked by a D.

Posted by: ford at March 19, 2010 10:04 AM (Ki7fm)

16 Sorry Ace, but Clyburn did NOT say they already have the votes. He said they'll vote on Sunday and that the votes will be there then. But then, that's what they've all BEEN saying. And since the vote is scheduled for Sunday regardless, it's crunch time for them.

In fact, look at his quote about "six or twelve who have concerns over there". The way I read that is that they're down as many as twelve votes -- and that those are just the ones the Whip is admitting to.

They ain't got the votes.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at March 19, 2010 10:04 AM (lk70u)

17 William Wallace is in DC somewhere...thank you you wondeful memo leaker you... please send more ASAP.

Posted by: ford at March 19, 2010 10:05 AM (Ki7fm)

18 I guess being right really is unpopular, Warthog et al.

Posted by: Christoph at March 19, 2010 10:05 AM (0fq7b)

19 O/T: At Big Gov- Obama restores funding to ACORN.
Oh Goody !

Posted by: Barbarian at March 19, 2010 10:05 AM (EL+OC)

20 Yo Paulie, educate those mooks for me.

Posted by: Janes Clyburn at March 19, 2010 10:06 AM (Z+qzA)

21 @ 17 - My thoughts exactly

Posted by: Barry's Nicotine Patch at March 19, 2010 10:06 AM (DL2qi)

22 Please morons keep fighting...fax...calls, emails...do not give up.

Posted by: ford at March 19, 2010 10:06 AM (Ki7fm)

drudge memo

Democrats are planning to introduce legislation later this spring that would permanently repeal annual Medicare cuts to doctors, but are warning lawmakers not to talk about it for fear that it will complicate their push to pass comprehensive health reform. The plans undercut the partyÂ’s message that reform lowers the deficit, according to a memo obtained by POLITICO.

Democrats removed the so-called doc fix from the reform legislation last year because its $371-billion price tag would have made it impossible for Democrats to claim that their bill reduces the deficit. Republicans have argued for months that by stripping the doc fix from the bill, Democrats were playing a shell game.

Basically, this is an admission that the numbers the Democrats submitted to the CBO were entirely false, and that they plan to make this bill a deficit expander in the spring. ItÂ’s a breathtaking admission of deceit and hypocrisy Â— and its exposure should have the media asking more questions about that CBO scoring and putting Democrats in the hot seat over it.

Posted by: willow at March 19, 2010 10:06 AM (7FgWm)

24 Ford, is that the memo? above

Posted by: willow at March 19, 2010 10:06 AM (7FgWm)

25 I'd like to hear a few more press releases like the one from Caterpillar in time for the evening news cycle.

Posted by: nickless at March 19, 2010 10:07 AM (MMC8r)

26 Just give me 2 hours in private - the votes will be there...

Posted by: Obama's Sock Full of Pennies at March 19, 2010 10:07 AM (DL2qi)

27 THEY DON'T HAVE THEM.

Posted by: dagny at March 19, 2010 10:07 AM (0TrEd)

Fox: 214 - 217

Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at March 19, 2010 10:08 AM (ucq49)

29 seriously shouldn't Newstations demand the bill as we neeed 72 hours, and the vote is supposedly sunday?

Posted by: willow at March 19, 2010 10:09 AM (7FgWm)

30 It's for the poor people and the children.

Posted by: gus at March 19, 2010 10:10 AM (Vqruj)

31 This will be the longest weekend of my life.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2010 10:11 AM (UOM48)

32 "its exposure should have the media asking more questions about that CBO scoring and putting Democrats in the hot seat over it."

Should as in you think it might happen or as in it would be nice but there's no fucking way it's going to happen?

"seriously shouldn't Newstations demand the bill as we neeed 72 hours, and the vote is supposedly sunday?"

No. The bill posted earlier, hence the vote on Sunday.

Posted by: Christoph at March 19, 2010 10:11 AM (0fq7b)

33 If the votes for this, he might as well make it official and become a Democrat.

If he was voting as his constituents request on ANY OTHER ISSUE, I think I'd be amazed and intrigued. A Congresscritter who listens to his district?!

His family had huge economic opportunity when they came to this country when he was a child; it's a damn shame he doesn't want those opportunities for future children.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 19, 2010 10:11 AM (mR7mk)

34 I'm sticking with my prediction on Cao. He'll be a "No".

As far as his congressional career goes, it's the 2nd District (N.O.) or nothing.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at March 19, 2010 10:13 AM (lk70u)

35 The problem here is putting trust is scumbag Democrats to actually live up to their word, or vote a conscience they don't have.

The tough guys here are the squishy Republicans... now how sad is that?

Posted by: sharrukin at March 19, 2010 10:13 AM (593B8)

36 "I initially took that as good news, but now I'm thinking he just wanted to get on the air to make a big show about being torn about this vote so when he does vote for it, as he plans to do, he can claim that at least he took a long time pondering it and all that crap."

Ya think?

Posted by: Christoph at March 19, 2010 10:14 AM (0fq7b)

willow, the bill is on the house rules committee website. I've been reading the reconciliation bill that's up there, assuming that's the ultimate end result.

It makes George Orwell look like a poseur.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 19, 2010 10:15 AM (RZ8pf)

33 If the votes for this, he might as well make it official and become a Democrat.

That could be the plan. +25D is a tough row to hoe.

He'll lose anyway. He's not the "right" person for his district.

Posted by: Emperor of the Chocolate City at March 19, 2010 10:16 AM (DYJjQ)

I think the Cao thing originated with TPM recycling some old news and passing it to CNN. Nothing has changed.

Also, mandatory Dem meeting on Saturday. MSNBC running a crawl that vote may be delayed from Sunday if they don't have the votes. May be idle speculation on their part, but interesting nonetheless.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 19, 2010 10:16 AM (Vo2Ef)

40 We are so boned.

Posted by: DelD at March 19, 2010 10:16 AM (JmOBV)

41

It would be an utter tragedy if something unforeseen prevented this vote from going forward.

Posted by: s'moron at March 19, 2010 10:16 AM (UaxA0)

42 It would be an utter tragedy if something unforeseen prevented this vote from going forward.

Posted by: s'moron at March 19, 2010 02:16 PM (UaxA0)

It sure would, wouldn't it?

Posted by: Cylon Invasion Force at March 19, 2010 10:19 AM (lk70u)

Cao could vote for this thing and fellate the president, he won't get re-elected.

He could, however, if he's a good Republican, get gerrymandered into a nice safe district in 2012.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 19, 2010 10:19 AM (Vo2Ef)

44 Ron Kind (D-WI) spokeswoman says he's still undecided.

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Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 19, 2010 10:19 AM (mR7mk)

45 Area Code 608. Stupid smileys.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 19, 2010 10:19 AM (mR7mk)

46 I feel DOOM but at the same time, this is major psy ops time for the Demoncrats. They are depraved, but not stupid. So that's a grain of hope. Do not give up until there is a vote. AND then, if we lose, shift to a new phase of operations.

We cannot let our great Nation become a larger version of France--I lived there, and I know what that means.

Posted by: ParisParamus at March 19, 2010 10:20 AM (TFs5o)

47 "We are so boned."

If only.

Posted by: Barney Frank at March 19, 2010 10:20 AM (0fq7b)

48 If you think this is bad, you should see my votes on the bracket. Talk about a tragedy.

Posted by: FUBAR at March 19, 2010 10:21 AM (1fanL)

49 Drudge has linked the stink that Politico found about Hoyer suppressing the 371 billion doctor fix. It's only Thursday so here's to hoping this bit of deception news gets legs. The process Pelosi & Co are using is really souring a lot of people.

Posted by: reginaldL at March 19, 2010 10:21 AM (k6Tcc)

50 Hold the horses, people. There are still something like 40 UNKNOWN or UNDECIDED votes. I don't know how Fox figures their numbers. As of now though, Paul Ryan says we need 7 of the undecideds to swing NO, while the Dems need 25 or so. KEEP THE FAITH AND KEEP THE PHONES BURNING!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 19, 2010 10:21 AM (9Cooa)

I initially took that as good news, but now I'm thinking he just wanted to get on the air to make a big show about being torn about this vote so when he does vote for it, as he plans to do, he can claim that at least he took a long time pondering it and all that crap.

I bet Ace can play teh poker.

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 19, 2010 10:22 AM (zYWzC)

Paul Ryan says its a coin toss. The dems only need 50% of undecideds to get it. Republicans need 7 of the undecided to defeat it.

They don't want to win with only one vote. Winning by 2 or 3 would be better. They also have to be careful because everybody is watching them.

via rush

Posted by: dagny at March 19, 2010 10:22 AM (0TrEd)

53 I think this afternoon will tell the tale. We have the bill supposedly going up to read...McConnell site says it is even worse than before...more goodies!!! The drops today will let you know if the D's are going to commit suicide...if their are more leaks it would be to support D's who are voting NO. The abortion is still in, as are all the "benefits" to members who were smart. the next vote on the doc fix that will be added here( in exchange to the AMA support) will be the icing on the poison cake for all Democrats dumb enough to eat a piece..

Posted by: ford at March 19, 2010 10:22 AM (Ki7fm)

54 i think it will be very difficult for the dems not to carry this through. however flawed the bill & the process for some, the opportunity to install some kind of "health care reform" will likely be irresistible. what's the alternative, to have nothing after holding the house & senate by such margins? not only would passage of something in the near term (say 5-10years) be remote, but the dem. party itself would be hollowed out, enfeebled, a shambles as an effective legislative force.

Posted by: gomm at March 19, 2010 10:23 AM (Ibk1S)

55 Hold the horses, people. There are still something like 40 UNKNOWN or UNDECIDED votes. I don't know how Fox figures their numbers.

Apparently, Fox, and only Fox, knows what everyone is thinking and there are NO undecideds. A) is that likely, and B) would Dems tell Fox the truth?

Posted by: nickless at March 19, 2010 10:23 AM (MMC8r)

Palate cleanser...

It's called misprision of a felony - http://tinyurl.com/y96g7lf

From Boker Tov Boulder

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at March 19, 2010 10:24 AM (r1h5M)

57 Scott Brown needs to start getting on every camera in sight and make himself into a incessant reminder of what happens when people get fed up.

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 19, 2010 10:24 AM (zYWzC)

58 If you think this is bad, you should see my votes on the bracket. Talk about a tragedy.

I see what you did there.

Posted by: Thomas at March 19, 2010 10:24 AM (9X7bq)

59 Reginald uh today is Friday...was St Patty's Day that GOOD? We want the story...

Posted by: ford at March 19, 2010 10:24 AM (Ki7fm)

60 No. The bill posted earlier, hence the vote on Sunday.
Posted by: Christoph

If you honestly think what was posted is the final version of the bill I have a bridge made of gold on the moon you might be interested in.

Posted by: Garbonzo the Garrulous at March 19, 2010 10:25 AM (w8ddH)

61 Stopping this from happening is the most important thing, but another important thing is to respond accordingly if it does.

And the proper response if that happens is to immediately focus on repealing it. Do not accept the paradigm that an entitlement in place can not be undone. Even if that's always been the case before, it can no longer be presumed.

They'll expect everyone to drop it come Monday, with the added perk of Republicans/conservatives being demoralized.

What they will need, instead, is a good, firm slap in the face over and over and over and over until this thing is undone.

Just as the Democrats spent the entire Bush presidency shrieking about the faux-outrage of the day, we will need to spend the rest of Obama's presidency shrieking about the unlawfulness of what he has done to the healthcare system.

That's the absolute minimum we'll need. Burning up the phone lines in DC will have to become commonplace, as well.

Our objections cannot end even if they ram this through. We will have to out-Code Pink Code Pink. We'll have to be more Sheehan than Cindy Sheehan.

Posted by: Kensington at March 19, 2010 10:25 AM (aDdAT)

62 Next Thomas will make jokes about head's rolling...

Posted by: ford at March 19, 2010 10:25 AM (Ki7fm)

63 The CBO is flipping votes. I sure hope a bunch of Dems are asking Paul Ryan to explain how the review the CBO performed was rigged from the beginning.

10 years of taxes. 6 years of spending. This explains itself, but these are Democrats so hold their hand and explain it.

Posted by: wtfci at March 19, 2010 10:26 AM (+zo63)

wound my heart with a monotonous languor

A monotonout langur.

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 19, 2010 10:26 AM (zYWzC)

65 This might end up being the Pyrrhic Victory that replaces "Pyrrhic Victory" in our lexicon. Check back in a few decades.

Posted by: Jayne Cobb at March 19, 2010 10:26 AM (IicD+)

He could, however, if he's a good Republican, get gerrymandered into a nice safe district in 2012.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 19, 2010 02:19 PM (Vo2Ef)

Nope, by then Louisiana will have lost a congressional seat to redistricting. Thanks to the Voting Rights Act, though, the state will have to fool around with the lines of the other remaining five districts, but will have to leave Cao's seat basically as it is. That's why it's the N.O. seat or nothing for Cao, assuming he survives that long: the other five seats will all have incumbent Republicans playing musical chairs to see who gets left standing.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at March 19, 2010 10:27 AM (lk70u)

67 On Levin last night Ryan said they are double counting the doc fix, some social security bs and a few other things and that the real ten year cost of this is over 2 trillion dollars.

Posted by: doug at March 19, 2010 10:27 AM (75C2c)

68 I picked the wrong week to quit drinking.
Posted by: Dave C

I picked the right week to start drinking again. Thankyouverymuch.

Posted by: mpfs at March 19, 2010 10:27 AM (iYbLN)

69 Do'h!!! My bad. It is Friday! I don't recall any blows to the head recently. I dunno...

Posted by: reginaldL at March 19, 2010 10:27 AM (k6Tcc)

70 As fluffy suggested, I've been trying to reach the Speaker's office all day. Insist that if Congress is voting this weekend, we expect the phone lines to be open.

Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at March 19, 2010 10:27 AM (ucq49)

71 Kensington: There should be the REPEAL PAC. They should launch the day the bill is signed into law. They do a money bomb week. Pledge to repeal and you're in a competitive district and you get PAC money.

Posted by: wtfci at March 19, 2010 10:28 AM (+zo63)

72 Cylon Invasion Force@41:
"It sure would, wouldn't it?"

Let's talk.

Posted by: The Aliens from Independence Day at March 19, 2010 10:28 AM (aDdAT)

73 The nanosecond when Pelosi thinks she has the votes, the vote will be called within an hour or two, even if that means doing it at 4:00am on a Friday or Saturday night. She won't allow any time for squishes to backslide, she'll want them out of their offices ASAP and no longer in a position to hear the screams of constituents.

Promised review periods? Out the window. Only the rubes believed it would happen.
Parliamentary procedure? Out the window. Only rube congressmen believe that matters.
House rules compliance? Out the window. Rules? I am the rules!

Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 19, 2010 10:28 AM (w5ptJ)

74 Stopping this from happening is the most important thing, but another important thing is to respond accordingly if it does.

And the proper response if that happens is to immediately focus on repealing it. start running around screaming incoherently while burning shit.

Which coincidentally I already had penciled in for this weekend.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 19, 2010 10:28 AM (5aa4z)

75 I may use some of the money I had been saving up for an 'el cheapo brand(tm) fishing boat, to instead go buy myself an inexpensive 12 gauge. Any recommendations on inexpensive brands?

Posted by: GMan at March 19, 2010 10:28 AM (sxq57)

76 If they have the votes already, then I'm sure its safe for a few Dems to flip back to No

Posted by: BlendXD at March 19, 2010 10:28 AM (awtW3)

77 68 I picked the wrong week to quit drinking.

This may be the weekend for me to start drinking.
Havent touched the shit since the demons took the house and senate in 06.

Posted by: CALL AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN at March 19, 2010 10:29 AM (PI/0J)

78 Again, for those who missed the previous posts on this topic, FOX is the only source pimping the 'one vote away' nonsense. The folks who are 'in-the-know' and who've been tracking the whip count possibilities 24/7 are NOT reporting anything near a one-vote margin. Have fun getting all worked up over a lame FOX News story. Even liberal sites still have over a dozen House members listed as undecided. Although this may pass on Sunday, it's still not anywhere near as close as FOX is making it out to be right now.

Posted by: joejm65 at March 19, 2010 10:29 AM (vSncj)

79 O/T: Looking at the Drudge pick of Obama. He looks like Boris Karloff. President Frankenstein.

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 19, 2010 10:29 AM (zYWzC)

80 I want the Pub's to drag this out...do the i minute speeches over and over...file any responses before the vote. Do the work of letting the quivering D's flit in the breeze while they wait to kill their political careers.

Posted by: ford at March 19, 2010 10:29 AM (Ki7fm)

81 OK I've started the intoxication process and may not stop till Monday.

Posted by: Mal at March 19, 2010 10:29 AM (Z+qzA)

82 OT-but hubby just called and said Stupak was on MSNBC being interviewed by Nora O'Donnell and wiped the damn floor with her. He said it was hilarious. O'Donnell.. how can someone so pretty be such a freaking bitch?

Posted by: jewells at March 19, 2010 10:29 AM (l/N7H)

83 I'm just fed up.
I've got a bottle of Grey Goose, lingerie, a big bed and calling all morons.

Posted by: mpfs at March 19, 2010 10:30 AM (iYbLN)

84 Well Comrades, it's been fun.

Posted by: kansas at March 19, 2010 10:30 AM (mka2b)

85 .. how can someone so pretty be such a freaking bitch?

I used to ask my ex-wife that all the time.

Posted by: Mal at March 19, 2010 10:31 AM (Z+qzA)

86 Drudge is on reload every time I am over there...

Posted by: ford at March 19, 2010 10:31 AM (Ki7fm)

87 I sent my AP history teacher an email. I said to him "why did you lie to us, the government doesn't work for the people, they work for themselves".

He emailed me back. "I'm regretting my vote in the presidential election" "the woman who was saying they should not control the House and the Senate and the Executive branch was right and everyone ignored her." "Government only works when the media watches them."

Posted by: curious at March 19, 2010 10:31 AM (p302b)

88 Intrade is still at 80% If anyone really thought it wasn't going to have this much chance of passing they would be putting their money down. That is the way the free market works.

Posted by: Andy Rand at March 19, 2010 10:31 AM (mhD2v)

89 "OT-but hubby just called and said Stupak was on MSNBC being interviewed by Nora O'Donnell and wiped the damn floor with her. He said it was hilarious. O'Donnell.. how can someone so pretty be such a freaking bitch?"

If she's not sitting on your face, just as easily as anyone else.

(If she is, you give her a pass.)

Posted by: Christoph at March 19, 2010 10:31 AM (0fq7b)

90 Maybe Fox is doing a service with this stormcrow stuff. It's freaking me out; I'll tell you that.

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 19, 2010 10:32 AM (zYWzC)

91 Jobs jobs jobs!

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at March 19, 2010 10:32 AM (aDdAT)

92 ODonnell does have the laugh of the wicked witch...you men never listen to the laugh...very important.

Posted by: ford at March 19, 2010 10:33 AM (Ki7fm)

93 Any recommendations on inexpensive brands?

Whatever the local pawn shop has on sale.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 19, 2010 10:33 AM (w5ptJ)

94 92 I'm just fed up.
I've got a bottle of Grey Goose, lingerie, a big bed and calling all morons.

Posted by: mpfs at March 19, 2010 02:30 PM (iYbLN)

The last time I got an offer like that I misread the invitation and ended up finding myself in bed with a grey goose wearing lingerie.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at March 19, 2010 10:33 AM (lk70u)

95
Contacted Ron Kind: Here's the link.

Pledge money depending on his vote. We can do this!

Posted by: IreneFingIrene at March 19, 2010 10:34 AM (MFQJZ)

96 LOL They're so dead one way or another. The only thing that will save many of these careers is a NO vote. No bribe is worth it. Obama is a one-termer... unless this goes down in flames, and he is checked by a Republican Congress.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 19, 2010 10:35 AM (mHQ7T)

97 curious@96:
"...my AP history teacher...emailed me..."I'm regretting my vote in the presidential election""

An Obama-voting teacher. What a shock.

Posted by: Kensington at March 19, 2010 10:35 AM (aDdAT)

98 "Government only works when the media watches them is not a willing accomplice."

Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 19, 2010 10:35 AM (w5ptJ)

99 I've got a bottle of Grey Goose, lingerie, a big bed and calling all morons.

Posted by: mpfs at March 19, 2010 02:30 PM (iYbLN)

Now that's what I call a party.

Posted by: FUBAR at March 19, 2010 10:35 AM (1fanL)

100

Somebody please ban Andy Rand, FUBAR and Christop.

Posted by: IreneFingIrene at March 19, 2010 10:35 AM (MFQJZ)

101 Fox News is not explaining how they're getting their numbers... I don't believe their count.

Posted by: enoxo at March 19, 2010 10:35 AM (Aterp)

102 War, better a goose than a chicken.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 19, 2010 10:36 AM (mHQ7T)

103 Posted by: curious at March 19, 2010 02:31 PM (p302b)

You're in high school?

Posted by: FUBAR at March 19, 2010 10:36 AM (1fanL)

104 I'm just fed up.
I've got a bottle of Grey Goose, lingerie, a big bed and calling all morons.

Posted by: mpfs at March 19, 2010 02:30 PM (iYbLN)

The last time I got an offer like that I misread the invitation and ended up finding myself in bed with a grey goose wearing lingerie.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States

ROTFLMAO

Posted by: mpfs at March 19, 2010 10:36 AM (iYbLN)

105

I must go by what Rush is saying in that they don't have the votes. Apparently I'm not thinking clearly and have posted stupid shit like, oh, calling a Senator a house member and, oh, saying that a particular paraplegic news commenter should stand up and shout LIAR. Think I'm stressed? Well, I am having exacerbations from my stress sensitive disease...

Posted by: Antimatter at March 19, 2010 10:37 AM (gbCNS)

106 All you people up there in City Hall,
You're fuckin' it up for the people that's in the streets.
This is a song for the people in the streets,
Not the people City Hall.
All you motherfuckers in the streets it's time to rise up,
Come along children and fuckin' rise!

Lots of times when me and KG are watchin'
All the fuckin' shit that goes down at City Hall,
We get the feeling we should fuck shit up,
Yeah we should fuckin' start a riot.
A Riot!

We have 'em screaming in the streets,
we have 'em tippin' over shit and breakin' fuckin' windows of small businesses,
and settin' fuckin' fires!
and settin' fuckin' fires!
and settin' fuckin' fires!

Posted by: Tenacious D at March 19, 2010 10:37 AM (v0kvW)

107
That is the way the free market works.

STFU, dunce.

Posted by: This is Wallace Shawn at March 19, 2010 10:37 AM (z37MR)

108 Gee Irene, I am glad I made the cut, but maybe you are on the wrong site...we like fun here.

Posted by: ford at March 19, 2010 10:37 AM (Ki7fm)

109 It should be Christ, stop! instead of Christoph.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 19, 2010 10:37 AM (mHQ7T)

110 Posted by: IreneFingIrene at March 19, 2010 02:35 PM (MFQJZ)

Just on your say-so, or is there a reason?

Posted by: FUBAR at March 19, 2010 10:37 AM (1fanL)

111 97 Intrade is still at 80% If anyone really thought it wasn't going to have this much chance of passing they would be putting their money down. That is the way the free market works.

Posted by: Andy Rand at March 19, 2010 02:31 PM (mhD2v)

Gotcha. So how many shares did you buy in order to drive the price up and depress conservative hopes?

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at March 19, 2010 10:37 AM (lk70u)

112 I can't believe you people fell for this garbage. Ha! I think I'm gonna nationalize the oil industry next. I'm on a roll!

Posted by: Barry! at March 19, 2010 10:37 AM (fGMGp)

113 100,000 calls/hr to congress. whew, thats some pressure.

^{but they don't care.}

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at March 19, 2010 10:38 AM (ympF8)

114 Clyburn said he and his lieutenants were trying to educate about two dozen publicly undecided Democrats on the benefits of the overhaul. He said they picked up a valuable tool when budget analysts gave the bill a good grade. ways that they could disguise their bribery while at the same time making it look as if the spending $2 trillion was only $940 billion.

FIFH

Posted by: rockhead at March 19, 2010 10:39 AM (RykTt)

115 Irene that Ron Kind link is busy.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 19, 2010 10:39 AM (mHQ7T)

116 Orrin Hatch is getting his Mormon on over at Bloomberg, he says one vote is the beginning not the end of this fight...I like it , I like it.. Let the D's know we will make them vote again and again.

Posted by: ford at March 19, 2010 10:39 AM (Ki7fm)

117 Fox News is not explaining how they're getting their numbers... I don't believe their count.

Posted by: enoxo at March 19, 2010 02:35 PM (Aterp)

I think they don't buy the idea of 'undecided' Democrats and I think they have a point. At this time if they are undecided they are likely a YES vote. I suspect a few of the so-called NO voters will bail as well.

Posted by: sharrukin at March 19, 2010 10:39 AM (593B8)

118 92 I'm just fed up.
I've got a bottle of Grey Goose, lingerie, a big bed and calling all morons.

*breaks into a cold sweat*
God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

Posted by: grognard at March 19, 2010 10:40 AM (v0kvW)

119

http://tinyurl.com/ykmj78u

JOIN "I WILL NOT COMPLY" FB GROUP

Posted by: pam at March 19, 2010 10:40 AM (h8R9p)

120 121

I saw where he's allowing Russia to drill in the Gulf of Mexico. You ain't kidding!

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 19, 2010 10:41 AM (mHQ7T)

121 Intrade was wrong on Scott Brown til the last few days...

Posted by: ford at March 19, 2010 10:41 AM (Ki7fm)

122 "LOL They're so dead one way or another. The only thing that will save many of these careers is a NO vote. No bribe is worth it. Obama is a one-termer... unless this goes down in flames, and he is checked by a Republican Congress."

You are slightly clueless, aren't you?

Yeah, their careers go down and maybe Obama doesn't get re-elected.

He's still one of the most transformational U.S. Presidents in history, having transformed the American people from a culture of independence to a culture of dependence on government every time they have a particularly large boil.

No future President or Congress, Democrat or Republican, will have either the will or the votes to "check" nationalized healthcare. It will be the norm.

A norm your country can't afford. The President and Congress will be concerned with the health problems of their electorate as much or more than other normal affairs of government. The great U.S. power will decline.

But hey, what does that matter? You'll enjoy the excitement of some electoral gains for a few years... until the socialists become the norm for the now weakened, dependant electorate... so much the norm that socialism grows within the GOP as well, necessary for its very survival.

Posted by: Christoph at March 19, 2010 10:41 AM (0fq7b)

123 God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

Posted by: grognard at March 19, 2010 02:40 PM (v0kvW)

Isn't that the AA prayer?

Posted by: FUBAR at March 19, 2010 10:41 AM (1fanL)

124 "I've got a bottle of Grey Goose, lingerie, a big bed and calling all morons."

Posted by: mpfs at March 19, 2010 02:30 PM (iYbLN)

I'll be right over.

Posted by: Jesse James at March 19, 2010 10:41 AM (pUO5u)

125 @3: The bill can be found below:

http://tinyurl.com/yhpwtt6

Posted yesterday, so at least they're living up to *one* promise

Posted by: Lone Marauder at March 19, 2010 10:41 AM (/bVuS)

126 Allah sez Fox sez DeFazio switched from "yes" to "no."

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 19, 2010 10:41 AM (zYWzC)

127 There's a poor woman losing it on Rush. I sympathize.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2010 10:42 AM (UOM48)

128 Won't it be sad if a troll was wasting his time here at Ace when he could be giving people on his team BJ 's to get their vote...I mean buddy if you like the BHO plan give til it hurts...the ole' fashion way. Barney Frank will thank you later. .get all in.

Posted by: ford at March 19, 2010 10:43 AM (Ki7fm)

129

Brewer,

is this what you meant to link?/??

http://tinyurl.com/ybc8xqh

Posted by: s'moron at March 19, 2010 10:44 AM (UaxA0)

130

The Rush old lady needs Valium and a good thumping. She sounded more like a liberal screeching about GWB. Poor thing needs a binky.

Posted by: Fish at March 19, 2010 10:44 AM (M5t+h)

131 Christoph stop projecting Canada onto the US.

Posted by: Mal at March 19, 2010 10:44 AM (Z+qzA)

132 You're fucking stupid, Mal.

Posted by: Christoph at March 19, 2010 10:45 AM (0fq7b)

133 Listen, if I'm gonna get fucked by this administration I'm going to pick the time and the place thankyouverymuch.

Posted by: mpfs at March 19, 2010 10:45 AM (iYbLN)

134

I though Mrs. Paul's Fish Sticks was a guy.

I mean, if a drunk guy in lingerie is your thing, then OK, but . . . .

Posted by: s'moron at March 19, 2010 10:45 AM (UaxA0)

135 If the dems in the house won't necessarily get the bribes that were put in the reconciliation bill through the senate, what is Nanny holding over their heads? Primary challenges? Is that it? Or is it just idealogical?

Posted by: dagny at March 19, 2010 10:46 AM (0TrEd)

136 You're fucking stupid, Mal.

Like Mal said...

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at March 19, 2010 10:46 AM (SHKl9)

137 Christoph stop projecting Canada onto the US.

Posted by: Mal at March 19, 2010 02:44 PM (Z+qzA)

Cristoph from Canada? That is just too perfect. Someone please tell me he relocated to Canada from France. And his girlfriend's a moose.

Posted by: FUBAR at March 19, 2010 10:46 AM (1fanL)

138

Isn't that the AA prayer?

Posted by: FUBAR at March 19, 2010 02:41 PM (1fanL)

Yep, but is generally used by all 12-step programs. I'll let you decide whether it was the vodka or the redhead that made me break out in a cold sweat.

Posted by: grognard at March 19, 2010 10:47 AM (v0kvW)

139 Cristoph is a Canadian?? I thought he was idiot.

Posted by: Thomas at March 19, 2010 10:47 AM (9X7bq)

140 That leaked memo showing the rigged doc fix and the willful intent of the Democrats to mislead the CBO deserves a double flaming skull. Drudge, Hot Air, National Review and Redstate are all over it. This is big.

Posted by: phoenixrisen at March 19, 2010 10:47 AM (74DQm)

141 I think the emergence of the trolls means they are afraid that BHO might come away empty handed with impotent D's all around.

Posted by: ford at March 19, 2010 10:47 AM (Ki7fm)

142 s-moron, 404 error on that. What, was there one on my link too?

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 19, 2010 10:48 AM (zYWzC)

143

144 You're fucking stupid, Mal.

And I've scraped better than you off the bottom of my shoes after walking through a barn, fuck stick.

Posted by: maddogg at March 19, 2010 10:48 AM (OlN4e)

144 I fucking guarantee you wouldn't say that to my face.

Posted by: Mal at March 19, 2010 10:48 AM (Z+qzA)

145 I though Mrs. Paul's Fish Sticks was a guy.

I mean, if a drunk guy in lingerie is your thing, then OK, but . . . .

Female

Posted by: mpfs at March 19, 2010 10:49 AM (iYbLN)

146

The Rush old lady needs Valium and a good thumping. She sounded more like a liberal screeching about GWB. Poor thing needs a binky.

Posted by: Fish at March 19, 2010 02:44 PM (M5t+h)

Excuse me, ma'am, I'll handle this.

Posted by: Guy with Wrench in "Airplane!" at March 19, 2010 10:49 AM (v0kvW)

147 I'll let you decide whether it was the vodka or the redhead that made me break out in a cold sweat.

Posted by: grognard at March 19, 2010 02:47 PM (v0kvW)

And after these last few comments, she's shot waay up in the 'Coolest Moronette' standing.

Posted by: FUBAR at March 19, 2010 10:49 AM (1fanL)

148 That was addressed to the ass licking troll Christoph, BTW.

Posted by: maddogg at March 19, 2010 10:49 AM (OlN4e)

149 I thought last night we were saying the Fox News count was wrong. Now they're supposedly the most accurate count we have? Geezus, Ace. I wish you would read your own website occasionally.

Posted by: Fresh Air at March 19, 2010 10:49 AM (5cFRU)

150

68% say throw out all the Incumbents in New Fox Poll

Posted by: newser at March 19, 2010 10:50 AM (D2axM)

151 phoenix... I am with you this is a smoking gun for the fence sitters.. and we have ALL WEEKEND with NO DISTRACTIONS to watch what the elected officials are doing... better than March Madness the old fashion way!! Go Sycacuse( Spelling by BHO)

Posted by: ford at March 19, 2010 10:50 AM (Ki7fm)

152 I may have to upgrade from wine to vodka.

I saw a link somewhere (it's been a long day) about the Tea Partiers meeting in DC tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. and warning them about the nasty, mean-assed Marxist anti-war protesters who'll be there at the same time.

I sure hope no one gets hurt (tea partiers). Of course, our side has more retired and active military.....

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2010 10:51 AM (UOM48)

153 Here's a link to Kind's numbers.

"You're fucking stupid, Mal."

Yeah, that's an intellectual heavyweight.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 19, 2010 10:51 AM (mR7mk)

154

That, of course, is precisely what you'd expect him to say, whether he has the votes or not. He (and Pelosi, and Obama, and etc.) need to convince people this is inevitable.

Or maybe...thats what they want us to think, knowing that we will probably assume their bluffing about what they think we are thinking about...I think.

Brilliant!

Posted by: dananjcon at March 19, 2010 10:51 AM (pr+up)

155 I fucking guarantee you wouldn't say that to my face.

Not as pithy as Buckley to Vidal, but good sentiment.

Posted by: nickless at March 19, 2010 10:51 AM (MMC8r)

156

403 forbidden on yours, brewer.

Posted by: s'moron at March 19, 2010 10:51 AM (UaxA0)

157 Drudge reloads every 5 minutes.

Posted by: ford at March 19, 2010 10:51 AM (Ki7fm)

158 I though Mrs. Paul's Fish Sticks was a guy.

I mean, if a drunk guy in lingerie is your thing, then OK, but . . . .

You didn't see her picture? Let's just say she's too hot for Jesse James.

Posted by: FUBAR at March 19, 2010 10:51 AM (1fanL)

159 Drudge reloads every 5 minutes.

Which is what his site's done for years...

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at March 19, 2010 10:52 AM (SHKl9)

160 Altmire only voted no Waxman-Markey because he had cover. He's a Yes, as posted yesterday. He's a scumbag, a double scumbag because he used to work for UPMC--the biggest employer in the Burg after Useless Air failed and the Steel Mills died 20 years ago---and he's going to kill the only iundustry this area has.

Posted by: cbullitt at March 19, 2010 10:53 AM (M/WbE)

161 I'll let you decide whether it was the vodka or the redhead that made me break out in a cold sweat.

Posted by: grognard at March 19, 2010 02:47 PM (v0kvW)

And after these last few comments, she's shot waay up in the 'Coolest Moronette' standing.

Posted by: FUBAR

Thank you. *Takes a bow or a curtsey*
I am just fucking annoyed with these douchebags in DC. I need to work off the frustration.

Posted by: mpfs at March 19, 2010 10:53 AM (iYbLN)

162
whoa - NRO corner -

The Big Lie [Yuval L]

If the leaked memo obtained by Politico this afternoon is for real, it is an absolutely astonishing example of brazen and unashamed dishonestyÂ—amazing even for Congress. It simply proves the case conservatives have been making about the DemocratsÂ’ fiscal claims, and it shows the Democratic leadership is knowingly lying and telling members to avoid getting into debates that might reveal the facts.

The memo basically says to Democratic staff and members: as you know, we wonÂ’t actually keep health-care costs deficit neutral because the extremely expensive Â“doc fixÂ” will come later this spring, but we donÂ’t want that talked about right now so that we can get fiscally conservative Democrats to vote for the bill, so just pretend it doesnÂ’t exist.

ItÂ’s hard to see how the Blue Dogs could still stomach the bill after this. ItÂ’s perfectly clear theyÂ’re being played for suckers."

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at March 19, 2010 10:53 AM (0fzsA)

163

brewer,

here's a direct pic link (take out the space after .com)

http://www.paintedstork.com /digiblog/image/g_langur_good_bg.jpg

MPFS, is there a pic floating around so the morons know what they're signing on for?

Posted by: s'moron at March 19, 2010 10:53 AM (UaxA0)

164

"This is what you get when you try to punish the republicans, ie the purity test."

Rush

And he is absolutely right. Thanks uber rightwing purity voters

Posted by: dagny at March 19, 2010 10:54 AM (0TrEd)

165 I am hoping to further improve my position. I am hoping that some patriotic morons will get the price down to maybe 70% What do you think ? will I ever see that price again ?

Posted by: Andy Rand at March 19, 2010 10:55 AM (mhD2v)

166
I think they don't buy the idea of 'undecided' Democrats and I think they have a point. At this time if they are undecided they are likely a YES vote. I suspect a few of the so-called NO voters will bail as well.
Undecided is the new yes. Didn't you get the memo?

Posted by: Queen Nancy at March 19, 2010 10:55 AM (Oxen1)

167

\
missed the pic. Do I need to sign on to the Yahoo group now to see it?

Posted by: s'moron at March 19, 2010 10:55 AM (UaxA0)

168

And the proper response if that happens is to immediately focus on repealing it. start running around screaming incoherently while burning shit.

Which coincidentally I already had penciled in for this weekend.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 19, 2010

Awesome! Me too- I had pillaging and plunder on deck as well, but the local tykes beat me to it.

Posted by: Gerry Owen at March 19, 2010 10:55 AM (4Hy88)

169 warning them about the nasty, mean-assed Marxist anti-war protesters who'll be there at the same time.

Watch for people on overpasses with sandbags.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 19, 2010 10:55 AM (mR7mk)

170 That was it, s'moron.

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 19, 2010 10:55 AM (zYWzC)

171 Posted by: Andy Rand at March 19, 2010 02:55 PM (mhD2v)

Is this guy Randi Andi in disguise?

Posted by: FUBAR at March 19, 2010 10:56 AM (1fanL)

172 This might be a good weekend to do some nuclear reactor removal in Iran.

Posted by: Barak at March 19, 2010 10:56 AM (pUO5u)

173 Jane if you're around later I'll have a drink with you.

Posted by: jewells at March 19, 2010 10:56 AM (l/N7H)

174 jewells@185 You're on.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2010 10:57 AM (UOM48)

175 cbullit: You're so right. Altmire's a pathetic piece of hobo shit. He's been hemming and hawing around like we can't decide what his constituents want, but the polling from our district is clearer than the vacuum of space. He's just been stalling to see if he'll be allowed to vote no and save his seat or if they really need him this time. Looks like they need him.

BTW, I've been phone surveyed twice in the last week (Altmire's district), with the key question being "If J.A. votes to pass Healthcare reform, would you be more or less likely to vote for him in November?" He's got to know this is the end of his career as a Rep. Wonder what Nancy offered him?

Posted by: mr.frakypants at March 19, 2010 10:57 AM (zOP98)

176

I have to go to my son's lax game. Hoping that there aren't any libs anywhere near me. Thank god both schools are private. If I had to hear about Obama's stash payin' for their healthcare, I would lose my mind.

Posted by: dagny at March 19, 2010 10:58 AM (0TrEd)

177

Or maybe...thats what they want us to think, knowing that we will probably assume their bluffing about what they think we are thinking about...I think.

Brilliant!

Let's see...if this week was next week last week, then next week will be last week...

Shit. Mental note: pick up some more Val-U-Rite on the way home.

Posted by: The other 48% at March 19, 2010 10:58 AM (Rwudm)

178 Drudge reloads every 5 minutes.

Sounds like some of my dates in high school.

Posted by: mpfs at March 19, 2010 10:58 AM (iYbLN)

179 187 Wonder what Nancy offered him? A lap dance? *runs like hell*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2010 10:59 AM (UOM48)

180 One more thing, usually crack dealers have to show you the stuff before you give them the money. Here they are taking the money 4 YEARS before they offer up the crack.

Posted by: dagny at March 19, 2010 10:59 AM (0TrEd)

181 These fuckers are really trying hard for another revolution.

I refuse to let my freedoms be pissed away by these morons.

Fire them all!

Posted by: 1idvet at March 19, 2010 10:59 AM (xUxh3)

182 187 Wonder what Nancy offered him? A lap dance? *runs like hell*
Posted by: Jane D'oh

Oh. Dear. God.

Posted by: mpfs at March 19, 2010 11:00 AM (iYbLN)

183 Oh Jane!! Good God the mental image that just conjured up may actually make me lie to my boss and leave work early so I can have a damn drink!

Posted by: jewells at March 19, 2010 11:00 AM (l/N7H)

184 Rush closes with, "REMEMBER THEY DO NOT HAVE THE VOTES. Obama would not have gone on Fox or to George Mason, if they did."

Posted by: dagny at March 19, 2010 11:00 AM (0TrEd)

185
"This is what you get when you try to punish the republicans, ie the purity test."
So we should send Lindsey Cracker more money?
Better an enemy in the open than one in your camp.

Posted by: Atomic Roach at March 19, 2010 11:01 AM (Oxen1)

186 I'm thinking tequila, lime, Boondock Saints in one window, and AoS in another. Sounds like a good way to unwind.

So yes, since tequila is ok for me, it was the redhead.

Posted by: grognard at March 19, 2010 11:01 AM (v0kvW)

187 Undecided is the new yes. Didn't you get the memo?

Posted by: Queen Nancy at March 19, 2010 02:55 PM (Oxen1)

I was thinking it was the new prostitute, harlot, hooker, hustler, slut, streetwalker, strumpet, tramp, doxy, moll, floozy, tart, or grifter?

Posted by: sharrukin at March 19, 2010 11:01 AM (593B8)

188 The thing that's been keeping me going is the thought that, even if Obama wins this battle, the war will continue. This isn't over.

You can beat your breasts, rend your garments, bounce off the walls, and start digging America's grave all you want. When you're done doing that, you'll find you're in the exact same position you were in when you started. There is still plenty of work to be done and plenty of congresscritters' phones to be melted.

I'm from Massachusetts. Amongst my friends on Facebook, the only people I saw come out for Martha Coakley were academics, bohemians, or government employees. They were far outnumbered by hard-working men and women from all walks of life who supported Scott Brown full-throatedly. It's anecdotal evidence, admittedly, and really only representative of my circle of friends. But the point remains.

They are sick of being overtaxed. They are sick of the pork. They are sick of the handouts. They are sick of the graft. They are sick of the sweetheart state pensions. They are sick of the deficits. They are sick of being ignored by their representatives. They are sick of being at the mercy of social planners, who, by virtue of their Master's in Public Administration alone, "know" exactly what's "best" for everybody, whether everybody actually benefits or not.

The Democrats may yet taste our tears, but I'll bet dollars to donuts we'll be tasting theirs in November. But that can only happen when we do everything humanly possible to get the message out that this bill and the mindset that created it will cause critical damage to this country and put it even deeper in the hole.

In the end, though, whatever happens on Sunday, America will still exist on Monday, lethargic Eeyores be damned. Even if this bill passes (and it's still an "if", as long as there are undecideds), people will still be angry. Hell, they'll be even angrier. Angry enough, I'd say, to overturn this bill by whatever means necessary.

Pelosi and Obama do not fully understand what they just started. They don't know who they're dealing with.

They will know very, very soon...

Posted by: Armando at March 19, 2010 11:01 AM (nd0uY)

189 I was thinking it was the new prostitute, harlot, hooker, hustler, slut, streetwalker, strumpet, tramp, doxy, moll, floozy, tart, or grifter?

Posted by: sharrukin at March 19, 2010 03:01 PM (593B

One of these things is not like the others.

Posted by: FUBAR at March 19, 2010 11:02 AM (1fanL)

190 dagny, I feel ashamed, but I've avoided my sister's calls yet again today. I just cannot speak with a far-left, Obama-loving lib today. I'm afraid of what I'd say to her.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2010 11:02 AM (UOM48)

191 Reid Promises Separate Public Option Vote In Next Few Months

Bloody fucking hell.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 19, 2010 11:02 AM (mR7mk)

192 Christopher is correct.

Conservative politics is DEAD if this passes.

After 2010...the commies will be running on how Republicans will steal your healthcare, and how they will fully fund and fix the NATIONAL HEALTHCARE DEPT. RINOS and Dems will cream their pants at the ease in which they will beat Conservatives like a drum.

And don't forget the millions of NEW government employees who will never vote Conservative again.

This bill brings 100 YEARS of Communism to the US.

Posted by: pam at March 19, 2010 11:03 AM (h8R9p)

193 Very well put Armando and very true.

Posted by: Bosk at March 19, 2010 11:03 AM (pUO5u)

194

I donÂ’t understand how, given the anti bill sentiment which seems to be across the board, the approval ratings in the toilet, even the MSM calling bullshit on their numbers, how these people still can vote Â“yesÂ” in good conscience. Also, how they can vote Â“yesÂ” without having read the bill.

They are acting like parents, telling us they know better then we do what is good for us.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 19, 2010 11:04 AM (RZ8pf)

195 Jane my husband has 2 sisters that are far left libs. Last night he told me he can't stand the thought of even talking to them right now. I think alot of people feel that way.

Posted by: jewells at March 19, 2010 11:05 AM (l/N7H)

196 Knuckleheads: "We don't want healthcare!"

Fight. Fight. Fight.

Posted by: Ace's Neurontin prescription at March 19, 2010 11:06 AM (vsoRI)

197 I'm thinking tequila, lime, Boondock Saints in one window, and AoS in another. Sounds like a good way to unwind.

So yes, since tequila is ok for me, it was the redhead.
Posted by: grognard

Ah, you have sworn off redheads.
BTW, I love Boondock Saints.

Posted by: mpfs at March 19, 2010 11:07 AM (iYbLN)

198 Gawd, they're wasting all this time and energy on this pig. Obama doesn't care about the economy or jobs. (I know, I'm Captain Obvious.) He thinks the worse things are, the more power he gets.

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 19, 2010 11:08 AM (zYWzC)

199 I think I'll go out and take a walk in this gorgeous 72 degree weather. At least the effin' Dems can't take that from me.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2010 11:09 AM (UOM48)

200 Knuckleheads: "No to Life. No to Life!"

Ace. C'mon, babe. I'm Jonesin' for a Survivor: Heroes v. Villains thread. Moral clarity!

Posted by: Ace's Neurontin prescription at March 19, 2010 11:09 AM (vsoRI)

201 Knuckleheads: "We don't want healthcare!"

There's no healthcare in this bill, just taxes and control.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 19, 2010 11:09 AM (mR7mk)

202
ahhh, another dunce arrives...

hello, eggmcmuffin

Posted by: This is Wallace Shawn at March 19, 2010 11:09 AM (z37MR)

203 Boondock Saints II is a let down.

Posted by: toby928 at March 19, 2010 03:09 PM (PD1tk)

How does it differ from the original?

Posted by: sharrukin at March 19, 2010 11:09 AM (593B8)

204 Boondock Saints II is a let down.

So I heard.

In Bruges was fantastic.

Posted by: mpfs at March 19, 2010 11:10 AM (iYbLN)

205 No, the Donks still don't have enough votes yet. Passing it by 1 vote isn't good enough for Obaka or the Wicked Witch, they need more votes. The longer the holdouts hold out, the closer to Easter recess, and the time when congresscritters will go home and fae the music.

Posted by: exdem13 at March 19, 2010 11:10 AM (lYKj1)

206 Ergie, why do you hate freedom?

Posted by: nickless at March 19, 2010 11:10 AM (MMC8r)

207

Seriously...who gives a shit?!?!?!?

Posted by: Blow me at March 19, 2010 11:11 AM (JHfBE)

208

207

I donÂ’t understand how, given the anti bill sentiment which seems to be across the board, the approval ratings in the toilet, even the MSM calling bullshit on their numbers, how these people still can vote Â“yesÂ” in good conscience.

You must rid yourself of the fallacy that they have a good conscience. They are of Satan.

Posted by: Antimatter at March 19, 2010 11:11 AM (gbCNS)

209

Where are the Democrat Grahams and McCains, throwing wrenches into Democrat plans like these assholes do for us? And grandstanding while doing it.

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 19, 2010 11:13 AM (zYWzC)

210 Posted by: toby928 at March 19, 2010 03:11 PM (PD1tk)

Yeah, Kiss, Kiss, Bang, Bang was like that. It was entirely too impressed with itself to be watchable.

Posted by: sharrukin at March 19, 2010 11:13 AM (593B8)

211 I hate to break it to some of you guys...these pricks are going to do this. I can only hope it leads to a complete upheaval.

Posted by: Hanover Fiste at March 19, 2010 11:13 AM (gxpfq)

212 Knucklehead freedom: "I am free not to afford adequate health care."

Ahhh. Freedom.

Posted by: Ace's Neurontin prescription at March 19, 2010 11:13 AM (vsoRI)

213 It was entirely too impressed with itself to be watchable.

Did it insist upon itself?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 19, 2010 11:13 AM (mR7mk)

214 Pam, why don't you and erg get married?

Posted by: maddogg at March 19, 2010 11:14 AM (OlN4e)

215 218 Boondock Saints II is a let down.

Posted by: toby928 at March 19, 2010 03:09 PM (PD1tk)

How does it differ from the original?

Posted by: sharrukin at March 19, 2010 03:09 PM (593B

Ditto ob BSII

Thought the BS1 was friggin awesome (see Crank 1 as well)

Obama sucks.

_{back to work.}

Posted by: dananjcon at March 19, 2010 11:14 AM (pr+up)

216 OT but I just heard that Cheech beat Anderson Cooper at Jeopardy. Did anyone here see that?

Posted by: Alan Smithee at March 19, 2010 11:15 AM (F7GbV)

217 This bill brings 100 YEARS of Communism another Civil War to the US.

Posted by: pam at March 19, 2010 03:03 PM (h8R9p)

FIFY

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at March 19, 2010 11:16 AM (Vu6sl)

218 Armando, I'm from WV. We had Democrats running our state for nearly 100 years. Then the Supreme Court chased off business. Then the unions came in. The government promised everyone jobs, but they just bused in federal trash from DC. People found out you will never get those jobs, no matter how hard you work, how many times you apply, how qualified you are. The government workers never retire. The jobs keep disappearing. The educational standards slip, while you see schools, roads and toll bridges named for Robert C. Byrd. The corruption in WV is legendary. We went red in the last few elections, partly because now there's a lot of military families there. But we got sick of the corruption, as well.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 19, 2010 11:16 AM (mHQ7T)

219 Howie Carr is saying our freedom is being stolen for the Delta Smelt. It's funny in a derpressing kind of way.

Posted by: Mal at March 19, 2010 11:16 AM (Z+qzA)

220 If we didn't want health care, we'd be all for this bill.

Posted by: Erg's Thorazine Prescription at March 19, 2010 11:16 AM (YmPwQ)

221 Pam, why don't you and erg get married?

Imagine going through life as Mrs. Egg McMuffin. She could do better and marry Mayor McCheese.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 19, 2010 11:18 AM (mHQ7T)

222 I was under the impression erg took Lithium.

Posted by: mpfs at March 19, 2010 11:18 AM (iYbLN)

223

is anyone going to throw me a bone here on mpfs' picture?

it's Friday after all.

Posted by: s'moron at March 19, 2010 11:18 AM (UaxA0)

224 It's been proven. Libs live in a Bizarro world. Freedom is slavery, having your health insurance triple in cost and distributed by SEIU hacks is good, fat politicians outlawing salt is good. And on and on.

Posted by: Erg's Thorazine Prescription at March 19, 2010 11:18 AM (YmPwQ)

225 pam: I think you are 100% wrong there. This doesn't kill conservative politics. The fact that no "benefit" starts for four years gives conservatives four years of the best campaign platform in history. There's no one to point to like there is with HUD (you'll throw these people out on the street) or Medicare (old people! dying!) and trot out that will suffer immediate damage if this is repealed/killed/processed-to-death/etc. And the platform plank is: "You know all that cash we've been collecting for health care stuff? If you elect us, we kill this dog and you get *all that money back*."

Posted by: mr.frakypants at March 19, 2010 11:19 AM (zOP98)

226 I'm going to pick up some sushi, cat litter, toilet paper, etc. come back here and start drinking martinis.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 19, 2010 11:19 AM (mHQ7T)

227 I'm going to pick up some sushi, cat litter, toilet paper, etc. come back here and start drinking martinis.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane

Just so long as you don't put cat litter in your martini it's all good.

Posted by: mpfs at March 19, 2010 11:21 AM (iYbLN)

228 Did it insist upon itself?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 19, 2010 03:13 PM (mR7mk)

I suspect it did, though I couldn't tell you for certain as I shut it off after about 20 minutes! It was recommended to me after I saw The Big Lebowski and was looking for something similar. What a joke.

Posted by: sharrukin at March 19, 2010 11:21 AM (593B8)

229

sushi, cat litter, toilet paper, etc.

sounds like a fun evening you got planned!

Posted by: s'moron at March 19, 2010 11:21 AM (UaxA0)

230 If Nicky Joe Rahall votes for this shit, I hope they run him out of office.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 19, 2010 11:21 AM (mHQ7T)

231 Oh, lil' bros. What happened to the knucklehead ascendancy?

Who knows, fuckheads? You might be in the driver's seat in November! Let's hope that the economy stays shit, or gets worse, and we suffer a shaming domestic terrorist attack by swarthies.

Hope!

Posted by: Ace's Neurontin prescription at March 19, 2010 11:23 AM (vsoRI)

232 "He (and Pelosi, and Obama, and etc.) need to convince people this is inevitable." Oh they have already convinced us...they just don't understand what the meaning of "this " is.

Posted by: evil libertarian at March 19, 2010 11:23 AM (3rTg3)

233 sounds like a fun evening you got planned!

There's nothing worse than waking up Saturday morning with no toilet paper. Better do it now while I'm sober.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 19, 2010 11:23 AM (mHQ7T)

234 If you elect us, we kill this dog and you get *all that money back*."

Well, not *that money* because the Dems will have already given it to Africa or Islam or somewhere as atonement for "global warming." But we'll stop taking money from you, starting January 3.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 19, 2010 11:23 AM (mR7mk)

235

Posted by: sharrukin

Anything with Christopher Walken tends to cleanse the palette.

Posted by: mpfs at March 19, 2010 11:24 AM (iYbLN)

236 Tattoo from what I hear even if he votes no on this he is toast Sen.Chaffin is going to run against him for the nod and has a very good chance of winning people here in coal country are not real happy with Nicky right now.

Posted by: TEE866 at March 19, 2010 11:24 AM (74lR/)

237 Who knows, erg? This time next year I might find my combat boot on your throat. What do you suppose I will do?

Posted by: maddogg at March 19, 2010 11:24 AM (OlN4e)

238

Support this bill, support death panels!

Death death death! Kill the rich, slay the old!

Posted by: Erg's Crack Pipe at March 19, 2010 11:25 AM (YmPwQ)

239 There's nothing worse than waking up Saturday morning with no toilet paper. Better do it now while I'm sober.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane

I hear kittehs really hate it when they don't have toilet paper.

Posted by: mpfs at March 19, 2010 11:25 AM (iYbLN)

240

Also, mandatory Dem meeting on Saturday.

Maybe they'll look out the window as see a whole mall full of protesting Tea Partiers.

Maybe then they'll ponder the very deep implications of opposing the will of the people and get a little scared.

Maybe...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 19, 2010 11:25 AM (i3AsK)

241 Posted by: ants on the space shuttle

Thank you.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 19, 2010 11:27 AM (mR7mk)

242 I believe I speak for most morons when I say we need a VERY EARLY ONT thread.

Posted by: mpfs at March 19, 2010 11:27 AM (iYbLN)

243 Such woe-is-me stuff. I love it.

Oh my. What has O done to Our Beautiful Country? Lost. Lost, forever!!!

If only several thousand Americans could be slaughtered by terrorists. That'd sure help turn this country around.

Posted by: Ace's Neurontin prescription at March 19, 2010 11:28 AM (vsoRI)

244 Knucklehead freedom: "I am free not to afford adequate health care."

I've got GREAT motherfucking healthcare, dicklicker. And I can drop the shit if I want to, nobody comes to me and points a gun at me to force me to pay for it like your government will-- enforced by the IRS.

Posted by: nickless at March 19, 2010 11:28 AM (MMC8r)

245

What happened to the knucklehead ascendancy?

It's just about to peak.

Knowing is half the battle.

Posted by: Erg's Crack Pipe at March 19, 2010 11:29 AM (YmPwQ)

246 nikless

Reality, for a knucklehead like yourself, is only what you experience. Pure callow solipsism. Essence of the rightwing mind.

Freedom!

Posted by: Ace's Neurontin prescription at March 19, 2010 11:31 AM (vsoRI)

247

Projection will get you nowhere. But you seem to like it there.

Posted by: Erg's LSD sheet at March 19, 2010 11:31 AM (YmPwQ)

248 The bill'll be good for you. You'll bitch and moan incoherently, sure. But in twenty years you'll be going all-teaparty idiot on any pol who touches your O-care.

Posted by: Ace's Neurontin prescription at March 19, 2010 11:35 AM (vsoRI)

249

If only several thousand Americans could be slaughtered by terrorists. That'd sure help turn this country around.

Maybe not, cockholster, but a few hundred specific Americans going the way of the dodo might help.

As long as it was non-violently

Posted by: s'moron at March 19, 2010 11:45 AM (UaxA0)

250 It'sll be good for you. Like felating a femal blow-up doll is good for you. Like having a metal spike driven up your ass by Barney Frank is good for you. I wouldn't know from experience, some wingnut told me.

Posted by: Erg's Lye Cocktail at March 19, 2010 11:50 AM (YmPwQ)

251 I hear ya Mr. Frackypants, but.....so what if benefits don't kick in for years.

Who will know?

The public will not....all the MSM/DNC must do is SAY that the GOP will overturn coverage for Grandma's kidney stones.

The MSM will interview Granny...and there you go...this will be the extent of our political campaigns for the next 50 years.

Posted by: pam at March 19, 2010 11:59 AM (h8R9p)

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