1 Law and Order was good in the beginning. Good ol' Jerry Orbach.

2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzO_hi9eKOA Standup sketch this post really reminds me of.

3

 

funny how the show always seemed to uncover the dark dirty secrets of wealthy white Christians living in Manhattan (who really represented 'middle' America).

4 OH MAN I FORGOT THAT ONE!!!

5 Most of these cliches made their way into the L&O spinoffs.

6 1 Law and Order was good in the beginning. Good ol' Jerry Orbach.

Wasn't Jerry a lawyer in the very first episode of L&O and then "evolved" to be the hard-bitten cop?

7

Now that L&O is gone the eeeeeeeevil skinhead gun-nuts will take over.

Most annoying L&O line:  Teh hawt blondie would whine "Is fill in teh blank because I'm a lesbian?"

8 What does "looked like he just beefed" mean?

9

 

that's why I stopped watching it. It was downright offensive some of the shit they were implying. Lots of sick shit like pedophilia, incest, etc.

And it was so obvious they were indicting ME (most of us, i.e., those who vote for Republicans) in almost every episode.

10 Special Anti-Semite Guest Star: Chevy Chase

I LOL'd

11 funny how the show always seemed to uncover the dark dirty secrets of wealthy white Christians living in Manhattan


All ten of them.

12 farted, beefed is farted.

13 10.  It wasn't the Muslim! See "It was George Bush all along,"  "It was those crazy murdering Christians that have been living right under our noses all along.  Those guys are the real dangerous ones." above.

FIFY

14 #7  Most annoying L&O line:  Teh hawt blondie would whine "Is fill in teh blank because I'm a lesbian?"

It only came out in her last episode that Elizabeth Rohm's assistant DA character was a lesbian.  The audience didn't have a clue either.

15 The show was canceled because Sabrina is a lesbian.

16

What I always found bizarre was every potential witness they interviewed only had 2 minutes to talk.  They were loading some stuff on to a truck, late for an appointment, making a grilled cheese, whatever.  But they could only spare 2 minutes to HELP A MURDER INVESTIGATION.  Nobody was interested in justice, humanity or just morbid curiosity.  It was no big deal to them... but loading these barrels on to this truck.. THAT HAS TO BE DONE NOW.

Do New Yorkers really suck that much or is that just lazy script writing?

17

 

Law & Order: Oil Spill Enforcement Unit

"We put the boots to the bad guys."

_{err, not that kind of boots, though}

18 It only came out in her last episode that Elizabeth Rohm's assistant DA character was a lesbian.  The audience didn't have a clue either.

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 25, 2010 04:31 PM (c0A3e

Don't think so; I hate to admit it but I remember multiple episodes where she'd confront McCoy with that line.  At least once it was aimed at something Teh Fred had done as far as court assignments.

19 My crim procedure prof used to recommend it in the early years, a,) because it was far more accurate than any other cop show, and b.) because he didn't want to get bogged down with actual "criminal procedure," preferring instead to spend every waking minute on RICO, which he wrote and had a thriving side-gig of defending mobsters from.

20

Or: Yeah, I'm sure you're a real humanitarian.

Or: Yeah, I guess that makes you the hero.

Or: Yeah, I'm sure you're a candidate for Mom of the Year.

Or: Yeah, I guess you were up all night hanging streamers for the 4H club mixer, though he didn't say that, really, but dumber crap like that.

I believe this tradition continues on SVU.  I am certain I've heard the Elliot character use those phrases several times.

21 Is this become I'm a lesbian??

22 Watch this magic trick!! Ok look at this evil place called Gitmo where we imprison innocents and torture! Look how scary it is!! Ok now watch this (puts Gitmo in a hat) Abra Kadabra! Now we don't talk about it anymore!!!!

23

I watched the Lost season ender, and I want to say that I *thoroughly* enjoyed it, even though I had never watched Lost before.

Well, maybe I should say "especially" because I had never watched it before, because after sitting through 2 1/2 hours of touchy-feely dreck in which we find out that the afterlife is nothing but a cosmic e-harmony, and then a white light comes and who knows what, left me feeling incredibly satisfied that I had never gotten suckered into wasting 6 years on a crapapalooza like this.

Here's a spoiler for anyone who wants to know the answers to all of the mysteries about the Island:  who cares, because they're all dead anyways!!! It was about the characters, and those were just vehicles to let the characters develop.  If you want "answers" to the issues raised, well, that just displays your own limitations, doesn't it?

Seriously - that's the answer to all of the "Mysteries." 

It was all just one big 6 year long shaggy dog story. 

24 It was the gun dealer who is really a neo-nazi.

25 #18  Don't think so; I hate to admit it but I remember multiple episodes where she'd confront McCoy with that line.  At least once it was aimed at something Teh Fred had done as far as court assignments.

I must have missed those episodes.  The lesbian revelation came out of the blue for me.  My mistake, thanks for the correction.

26 Thank you for pointing out how irritating Briscoe was.  I know we're supposed to celebrate Jerry Orbach as a national treasure or something, but Briscoe was a dick, exactly the kind of cop you'd never want to actually have to deal with.

27

FRICK.

#21  Only works with the Serena sock! Damn.It.

For the record, I'm not a lesbian. NTTIAWWT.

28 I watched maybe 5 minutes of L&O and never watched again. Must've been that D minor.

29 Lacy has become a lesbian?

30 Before W, there was the it's all Ken Starr's fault. I remember the moral outrage from Waterson (the DA who put two people on trial for the same crime at the same time) being spasmodically outraged by Federal special prosecutors trying to investigate a crime.

31 Damn sock. Sorry but network TV sucks. All the good series, like Spartacus, Sons of Anarchy, and Dexter, are on cable.

32 kensington, yeah, Jerry Orbach is sort of sainted, and I'm sure he was a fine feller, but Jesus, Lenny Briscoe was a prick and a half. Just annoying. Not funny.

33 I've avoided reading about this so I won't have to see any DONE DONE headlines.

Oh man, I completely forgot the bad-dialog opening walk-and-talk and stumbling onto a corpse.

I've heard that if you're a no-name actor who did a one-time role on L&O, you have to leave it off your resume, because anyone Important who sees it there will say "Yeah! He was the dead guy! So was everyone else in New York!" and throw it out (because that's how the joke goes) while everyone else around fake-laughs.

34 I must have missed those episodes.  The lesbian revelation came out of the blue for me.  My mistake, thanks for the correction.

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 25, 2010 04:36 PM (c0A3e

Maybe it's me that's wrong because Wiki agrees with you; although I don't know how much to trust those assholes.  Maybe I just assumed she was a muncher because she got all vagged up at McCoy trying to have gay marriages dissolved.  Until I can find something that defends my perhaps faulty memory, I'll defer to you.

35 Anyone else sitting around breathlessly waiting for Hollywood's latest thriller conspiracy theory movie like Green Zone alleging abuses by the US government? ......oh wait they stopped making those in around November of last year.

36 I now know balls can be both annoying and cool. Just like shit.

37 Oh, I don't know - I found the formulaic format kind of familiar and comforting, after a while.  Sure, the show tended to lean waaaay left of center, but once you came to terms with that fact, watching McCoy and company flail away at conservatism and Christianity was kind of funny.  They weren't subtle about it, in fact they were kind of ridiculous in their zeal.  I got the cadence down, to the point that I know exactly when to go to the bathroom without missing anything important. 

38 Take the deal.  I don't photograph well with egg on my face.

39 Oh, and Dick Wolf is a lefty crank.

40

I miss Carey Lowell - and Teh Fred, of course.

And while I adore NCIS, they've clearly taken the baton from L&O on the "walk-and-talk stumble upon a corpse" and have gone full Shatner with the situations.

41 I always enjoyed how the cops would question a citizen about something that had occurred five months or five years ago, and through their questioning the witness would remember some incredibly mundane detail that broke the case. These would be tangential witnesses, not of the actual crime, but they saw the perp doing something else the day or week of the crime. As if memories are photographs these witnesses would remember every last detail of what (and whne) they saw whem they went out to drop the garbage on the curb at exactly 10:13:24 that one night where the perp was walking by wearing gray woolen socks with aubergine stripes which the victim had knitted for him and proved he had seen her that week even though he said he hadn't.

42 #23  The LOST finale was complete nonsense indeed.  Which really sucked for me because that was the only show I religiously watched for the past few months. 

Besides, I thought the writers explicitly said that the ending wouldn't be one where everybody had died and/or was in Limbo. 

43 Paul Sorvino was my favorite cop on L&O.  Too bad he was only on the show for about a season and a half.

44 O/T:  "Obama administration backs Vatican in pedophile case"

So, essentially, the Vatican get oodles of money from the dioceses in the US but they are now claiming that they only have a religious responsibility toward the dioceses?   What, are they kidding?  And why hasn't anyone debunked this one?

45

L&O died with Briscoe.

RIP, Lenny

No one puts you in a corner!!

46

Justannoying a drunk. Not funny.

/fixed

47 farted, beefed is farted.

Posted by: ace at May 25, 2010 04:29 PM (66DVY)

no, I'm pork.

L&O sucked, it was all about Homicide with Andre Braugher.

48 tkx for informing me why I never watched this crap.

49 Another cliche: a guy won't talk about the suspect because the information is confidential. The detectives go all "your liquor license up to date?" or "the building inspector would be interested in those rat droppings" and the guy folds and blabs everything.

50 Step 1: Broadcast a TV show based on a valid premise but in reality is nothing but non-stop left wing caricatures of right wing stereotypes that alienates half your target audience. Step 2:____________ Step 3: Profit!!

51 As for Lost, I couldn't get past episode 1. It's amazing that they wussed out on the ending where, oops, they're all dead all along. Unless...that's what *they* want you to believe. At least Newhart's ending was funny, the Lost ending is just masterbatory...and they promised that it wasn't limbo or death. Just think, almost every show or movie could end that way, it was all in the dead hero's head. losers.

52 46L&O died with Briscoe.

RIP, Lenny

No one puts you in a corner!!

Agreed, but Jerry Orbach's only flaw was being in that Gaia-forsaken movie. 

53 Never, ever, EVER go to Central Park. If you do, you will stumble across a dead body there. Maybe a few.

Also, do not look too closely at mounds of garbage in the street, you are bound to find something unpleasant there as well.

Hell, just stay home middle America!

54 Mr. Pink, I just finished season 1 of Dexter on DVD. Does his sister stay as needy and annoying as she has been?

55 LOST spoilers don't read my reply if you don't want to see them








From what I read, they weren't dead all along, just that they all met up -after- they died (either from old age or on the island during the course of the show) at the end there of the finale.

The sideways-universe was purgatory or something for them in the meantime.

56

So Lacey - lipstick or butch?

Please be honest, although I think you know what we want to hear.

57 Parkinson's is not funny you son of bi...son of a...son...son..son of a bi...

58 loved the Lost finale. sure, it was predictable but damn if it wasn't good. It amounted to being The Great Divorce on TV.

As for 24, if it wasn't for Gregory Itzin, Chris Diamantopoilos and the last 5 minutes, it would been a HUGE stinker (but then again, this season sucked balls even with the inclusion of Madsen). But then again, when hasn't Braga failed?

59 55 I just got thru episode 4 of season 2...basically she turns into a slut.

60

In the very beginning, George Dzunda was the hard-boiled Detective Sergeant Creevy and Chris Noth his partner, Det. Logan.  Michael Moriarty was Exec. A.D.A. Stone, and Dann Florek was Captain Cragen.

Det. Sgt. Creevy got killed in the first episode of Season 2, Capt. Cragen moved to Special Victims Unit at the end of Season 3, Stone left the D.A.'s office at the end of Season 4, and Det. Logan got transferred to Staten Island at the end of Season 5 (though he eventually made it to the Major Case Squad).  It took some fine tuning, in other words, to get L&O in shape for a 20-year run.

61 They loved them some Russian Mobsters. I guess the writers figured they never became a member of the Protected Class, ala Muslims, so they were often the bad guys and more often the scummy suspects we met along our way to finding out George Bush did it. Seriously, the episode where Jack McCoy gives the OK to sue the Bush Administration for War Crimes is an unintentional laugh riot.

62

L&O sucked, it was all about Homicide with Andre Braugher.

Posted by: fartbubble at May 25, 2010 04:45 PM (gAmQ1)

Homicide was the better show, hands down.  Imagine that, a police procedural where a homicide case can't be wrapped up in a single one-hour episode!

63 #56  That was just their clever way of getting around what they had said from the beginning wasn't going to be a LOST ending, (i.e. no "everyone is dead" ending),b but yet still having the "everyone is dead" ending. 

There's plot convenience, there's deus ex machina, and then there's just simply pulling stuff from your ass to fill in huge plot-holes.

64 Law and Order was the Baby Boomers ripped off version of Murder She Wrote.

65 You're forgetting the tall, oddly handsome black guy, ADA Robinette. He was there from the beginning. And Cragen wasn't moved to SVU... He was fired from the show (or left it)... he wasnt in a L&O show for years, until they started SVU. I'm just saying, he didn't just swap shows. He was out of work for a while. BTW the black captain, S. Epetheka Parker or whatever her name was, lived in my building. She was nice. Only spoke to her twice.

66 I really feel sorry for anyone that watched every episode of Lost, much the same way I feel for myself for watching every episode of Sopranos and then getting screwed with a fade to black ending.

67 I know Kratos. That's why I've completely avoided watching the show since the beginning. Not my cup of tea. I have far too many friends who like it though.

68

The last time I posted something about Lost I got totally reamed by someone here.  I loved the ending, it was really the only way it could have been.  Everything that happened, happened.  They didn't die in the crash, the whole thing wasn't a "dream".  The show was very character driven.  Did they leave a lot of questions unanswered? Yeah, but we'll have lots of time to debate it amongst ourselves.  The show wasn't perfect, but I'm glad I spent the time watching it. 

69

#65  Some of us like Murder She Wrote.

*hanging head in shame*

70 I really feel sorry for anyone that watched every episode of Lost, much the same way I feel for myself for watching every episode of Sopranos and then getting screwed with a fade to black ending.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at May 25, 2010 04:55 PM (V/EYZ)

should have stopped at the end of the second season of Sopranos as it was only good for a season and a half

71 63 L&O sucked, it was all about Homicide with Andre Braugher.

Blecchh..  Braugher was and is an extreme over-actor.

72 And ditto #67 but replace sopranos with Battlestar Galactica remake.

Starbuck was a ghooooooost!

73 Am I the only person alive who's never watched a second of Law and Order, Lost or 24?  Same with Idol, Survivor or any of that other stuff?

Honestly.  Not trying to be a jerk, but I've never found any reason to even get started with them.

74 The Lost writers had to deny the purgatory/limbo theories to keep people watching. Homicide was the best show around.

75 #66  BTW the black captain, S. Epetheka Parker or whatever her name was, lived in my building. She was nice. Only spoke to her twice.

S. Epatha Merkerson..close enough.  Only thing I remember her in other than L&O is in Terminator 2. 

76 >>>It took some fine tuning, in other words, to get L&O in shape for a 20-year run. I really thought the Robinnette-stone-sorvino-noth cast was the best (though I loved me some claire). So I wouldn't say they fine-tuned it to get it "into shape." I think they just swapped out actors a lot to keep costs down and/or keep it fresh. It was pretty smart about that, establishing that the premise and formula of the show was far more important than any actor. they could drop actors on a dime. why they kept mccoy for so long I have no idea.

77

getting screwed with a fade to black ending

I thought our cable had gone out.  David Chase managed to make several million people lunge for their remotes at the same time! LOL.

78

Homicide was the better show, hands down.  Imagine that, a police procedural where a homicide case can't be wrapped up in a single one-hour episode!

Posted by: stuiec at May 25, 2010 04:53 PM (7AOgy)

that being said, I don't know if it could work without Braugher. As cheesy as this sounds, it was lightning in a bottle with him

79 Homicide was better because it wasn't as much of a legal procedural (in fact, the occasional forays into the courtroom were kind of embarrassing). Homicide did kind of lose its way as it got involved in Baltimore politics in that particularly weird David Simon way. And how Klye Secor went gay for a while. And how the Baldwin guy and Stan Polito died was weird. It was a treat the first few seasons how much they were able to pick out of the Homicide book and put it in the show. Homicide also had its triple take, whistley thing instead of the don-don. Oh God, and Lenny was banging Belzer's wife!!!

80 Ace this is hilarious. L & O was such a pretentious show its last 5 years and for a drama made the cardinal sin of being predictable.

81 61 - that's it, Moriarty and Noth, compared to them anything recent is just unviewable.

82 I just remember S. Epatha Parker from Navy Seals where she was marrying the Allstate spokesman. I remember the movie theater, when they closed in on her face as she went down the aisle, audibly recoiled at once. mean. but funny.

83 McCoy, did I ever tell you abou the time in Tennessee we....

84

Here's a spoiler for anyone who wants to know the answers to all of the mysteries about the Island:  who cares, because they're all dead anyways!!!

WTF are you talking about, dude. They're not all dead. The ending at the church--that's what happens to them after they finish their lives--some of them died on the island, some years and years later. The sideways reality was the only part of the show where they're dead, and the purpose is for them to revisit their lives, deaths, and the roles they played on the island. The rest of the show--all six seasons of it--they were very much alive and stuff was really happening to them.

Hey Ace, how about a Lost finale thread, eh? Show us some love!

85

 

is it just me, but it's weird that I look back at BSG, a show I liked, and now think it sucked?

86

 

what's funny is Stargate SGU is copying BSG with all the mundane drama shit and pointless intrigue.

 

87 Bonanza - 14 seasons
Gunsmoke -20 seasons plus 9 as a radio show

Both were Westerns, but none are even close to the longest running TV show of all time, Meet The Press which has aired for 62 years.

They are not close to the longest running "entertainment" show which is the soap opera Guiding Light at 57 seasons.

What I remember best about Bonanza is that it was the first ever show on TV that I saw in color. What I remember best about Gunsmoke is that the early shows were damn good. The shows going down near the end were PC liberal message crap. I didn't see any of the last few years of the show because by then I was in the Navy and we didn't get TV at Yankee Station.

I know zilch about L&O because I don't watch TV now. 

88

I pretty much stopped watching about 10 years ago. I hated McCoy with a passion and couldn't find any reason to watch it with such blatant leftism in my face.

The first five years was some of the best stuff on TV when the urge to make some big political statement wasn't quite as great.

89 After Angie Harmon left and Jerry Orbach passed away I stopped watching.

90

is it just me, but it's weird that I look back at BSG, a show I liked, and now think it sucked?

Posted by: Race Bannon at May 25, 2010 05:03 PM (uFokq)

that show went to shit when they did the jump forward in time and equated suicide bombers as heroes

91 My ex wife used to watch Law & Order.  Of all the drama / court action / law enforcement shows on TV, this is the worst.  Constant krap acting; the director insists on shooting every scene in the same way apparently.  After a few times I learned to just leave the room before my eyeballs would fall out of my head from rolling every 3 seconds.

92 69The last time I posted something about Lost I got totally reamed by someone here.  I loved the ending, it was really the only way it could have been.  Everything that happened, happened.  They didn't die in the crash, the whole thing wasn't a "dream".  The show was very character driven.  Did they leave a lot of questions unanswered? Yeah, but we'll have lots of time to debate it amongst ourselves.  The show wasn't perfect, but I'm glad I spent the time watching it.

If you're glad you invested the time in watching it, jewells, that's all that matters in the end.  (I hope I wasn't the one who reamed you out, but if it was me, my apologies).

And though I thought the ending was terrible, it was very emotionally touching. Little secret of mine - I'm a sucker for redemptive or "everybody is in heaven" endings.  Even applies to video games.  I loved the ending of Dante's Inferno (Dante is absolved of his sins and ready to climb Purgatory) vs GoW3 (Kratos is dead, the world is in chaos with "hope" everywhere), even though GoW3 is a much superior game overall.

93

 

They're not all dead. The ending at the church--that's what happens to them after they finish their lives--some of them died on the island, some years and years later.

Wait. So are they dead or alive at the church?

94 Dialog from a typical L&O episode circa 1995

ADA - But Adam we have on tape the Detectives Brisco and Curtis reading him his Miranda rights, also a closed circuit camera clearly showing him commit the murder, as well as signed statements by 12 nuns who actually saw him fleeing from the scene of the crime with a gun.

DA Schiff - No jury will buy it, make a deal!

95 80 Homicide was better because it wasn't as much of a legal procedural (in fact, the occasional forays into the courtroom were kind of embarrassing). Homicide did kind of lose its way as it got involved in Baltimore politics in that particularly weird David Simon way. And how Klye Secor went gay for a while. And how the Baldwin guy and Stan Polito died was weird. It was a treat the first few seasons how much they were able to pick out of the Homicide book and put it in the show. Homicide also had its triple take, whistley thing instead of the don-don.

I liked Homicide in the beginning. Yaphet Kotto was amazing but it just went south after awhile and stopped watching. 

96 Proud to say that I have not seen a single episode of this show.

97

And the one that trumps all others:

THE WHITE GUY DID IT, GODDAMMIT!

98

 

Jewells, remember I called you a LOSER?

99 I guess that sort of makes L&O science fiction. I wonder if they'll ever do a sci-fi L&O spin-off, like Law & Order: Mars Mining Company, where they'll explore the strange Doppleganger nature of their universe.

Law & Order: The Wrath of Logan

Perpetually pissed off Mike Logan returns to wreak vengeance on NY Homide for exiling him to the barren Staten Island

Denny Crane!

100

I really feel sorry for anyone that watched every episode of Lost, much the same way I feel for myself for watching every episode of Sopranos and then getting screwed with a fade to black ending.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at May 25, 2010 04:55 PM (V/EYZ)

As others are pointing out its the same with BSG.  The new rules for television.  Piss off your entire viewing audience to the point that they will never ever want you to bring back the show or have them pissed off enough to demand something so you will be allowed to franchise it into a TV movie every other year.

101 I think the leftwing lurch is a sure sign of a show's death spiral. I really haven't watched the Simpsons at all (not even repeats) since the daring episode where the writers daringly dared to go anti-Iraq war in a daringly daring skit. I think that because libs think they're so smart, they try to infect smart shows and steer it to be their echo chambers. So, yeah, I never bothered to watch seasons 4 and 5 of BSG because of the daring way they dared to imply that we are equivalent to AQ suicide bombers.

102

Wait. So are they dead or alive at the church?

Posted by: Race Bannon at May 25, 2010 05:08 PM (uFokq)

they are dead in the church as the church is Purgatory with everyone waiting for everyone else to die so they can go into heaven together

103 Law & Order: The Wrath of Logan

Perpetually pissed off Mike Logan returns to wreak vengeance on NY Homide for exiling him to the barren Staten Island

Was it because Carrie Bradshaw is a lesbian?

104

 

I said it after The Sopranos and I said it after No Country For Old Men...

Hollywood doesn't know how to end a movie or end a tv show, anymore. They are hacks in Hollywood who only know how to tell 2/3 of the story.

105 I liked Homicide in the beginning. Yaphet Kotto was amazing but it just went south after awhile and stopped watching.

Trivia about Yaphet Kotto (he's a Jew so it's related to this thread.)

Both parents are African Jews. In an interview he said being fully Black and Jewish gave other kids even more reason to pick on him growing up in New York City. However, to this day, he remains a devout, practicing Jew.

Campaigned for Steve Forbes during his bid for the Republican nomination for the Presidency in the 2000 primaries.

Oldest son, Fred, is a very successful San José Police Dept. California (USA) officer.

He is the son of a Cameroonian crown prince.

Cool.

106 It does speak to the profound tolerance for BS that ace not only watched L&O long enough to gather all the things that sucked about it into a post, but made a 4 page long post to do it in.

107

 

Wait.

Then what plane does Jack see flying above him in his last moments?

108 I completely forgot the bad-dialog opening walk-and-talk and stumbling onto a corpse.

That's my favorite part.  Especially when it's a couple being mushy and then...eeew!

109

Wait. So are they dead or alive at the church?

Posted by: Race Bannon at May 25, 2010 05:08 PM (uFokq)

They're dead at the church, and in the rest of the sideways timeline. Their big flashes of realization, when they meet up with and/or touch each other--that's them realizing that they lived and died with these people. Christian explains it at the end--they had agreed in some way to get together before "moving on," because they wanted to do it together.

But in the rest of the whole show, they're very much alive. Some of them make it off the island--Miles, Sawyer, Kate, Claire, etc.--and go on to presumably live long and fruitful lives. Hurley and Ben stay to take care of the island. After everyone is dead, they meet again in sideways world, then at the church, to move on to heaven as a group.

110

 

Wait.

So when Jack finally died on the island, then it was time for all of them to be together?

111 Denny Crane!

hehe I loved Boston Legal even though the writers were clearly heavily liberally biased (but then I guess who isn't nowadays in Scummywood.)  Shatner did a good job with that character.

112

Then what plane does Jack see flying above him in his last moments?

Posted by: Race Bannon at May 25, 2010 05:13 PM (uFokq)

it's the plane with Leopedius, Miles, Richard, Kate, Clair and Sawyer. They didn't die on the island.

113 L & O was nothing but political propoganda. The best cop show was Hill Street Blues.

114

Wait.

Then what plane does Jack see flying above him in his last moments?

That's the Ajira plane with Lupides, Miles, Claire, Kate, Sawyer, and Richard on it. Jack sees it and is happy because he knows they made it to safety. They're all still alive at that point.

115

 

But why is the dog there? And why is Jack in the same place as he was in the first episode?

116 What about the one where whenever there was a B-list celebrity on the show in a supposed minor role, he inevitably was the one who did it.  Cuz why else would he be on the show?

117 I rather watch Jerseylicious with my girlfriend then subject myself to Lost, wherew a fat guy can remain fat on a island for years. Was he a fucking cannible?

118 #110  That's my favorite part.  Especially when it's a couple being mushy and then...eeew!

Hehehe.  Decadence is dangerous!

119 Just think, almost every show or movie could end that way, it was all in the dead hero's head. losers. Posted by: joeindc44 at May 25, 2010 04:47 PM (QxSug) That "it was all in his head" thing is an idea that was stolen from Bob Newhart. Only when he did it it was: a) unexpected, and b) funny.

120 Race, are you fucking around or are you being serious? I honestly can't tell.

121 Before W, there was the it's all Ken Starr's fault.

They really hated Scalia, too.

122 119 I rather watch Jerseylicious with my girlfriend then subject myself to Lost, wherew a fat guy can remain fat on a island for years. Was he a fucking cannible?

Z-Ryan posited last night that Hurley found an industrial-sized bottle of Ranch dressing in the Hatch. 

123

I said it after The Sopranos and I said it after No Country For Old Men...

Hollywood doesn't know how to end a movie or end a tv show, anymore. They are hacks in Hollywood who only know how to tell 2/3 of the story.

Posted by: Race Bannon

In defense of No Country, if you thought that the movie was about Anton Chigurh, you would think they ending was crappy.

124 Angie Harmon's voice.

125 Nighthawk, and maybe Newhart stole that from Dallas...it was all a dream.

126 12 farted, beefed is farted. Posted by: ace

Fox News: Obama to Beef Up Border

Tee-hee hee!
/8 year old

127 More favorite cliches: Any motion to suppress evidence will be upheld. The killer can walk up and hand the cops the murder weapon and it will be disallowed at trial. No witness ever identified the killer in a lineup. Except for the time that the killer's identical twin was in the lineup. (Not making that up) You never want the judge to start ruling in your favor. All judicial rulings begin with the merits of the wrong side, then have a "However," and then the real ruling.

128 I got tired of the way every other episode of Law & Order was "ripped from the headlines." 1) That signals lazy writing and 2) if you knew anything about the real-life case they were ripping on, you pretty much had an idea which way the episode was going to go.

129

I liked the show for awhile, but it became a parody of itself by the 3-4th hot ADA and after the old man "make a deal" DA left.

 

Hmm, we need to stretch this out for 20 more minutes.  Discovery challenge!  That crucial piece of evidence is out!  Duh duh...

130

 

yeah, the dog shows up out of nowhere.

and where was Michael and his annoying 'special' son?

131 Ah, L&O.... the bad guys were always politicians, doctors, successful businessmen, corporations, rich white families, rich white kids, the U.S. Army, the Department of Defense, white supremacists, and so forth... Left-wing terrorists and murdering jihadists? Eh, not so much....

132 well, at least with the Sopranos it wasn't all in his head (oh, wait, except for the first 10 episodes of the final season where Tony was a copy toner salesman or some such nonsense) but they showed his perspective as he died. He got whacked, didn't see it coming, cut to black (not fade).

133 Denny Crane gets robbed.

134 You opened the door counselor....

135 What about the one where whenever there was a B-list celebrity on the show in a supposed minor role, he inevitably was the one who did it.


More fun to see who was on as a small bit before they were famous on other shows.  I got the Moriarty years from Netflix last summer and laughed my butt off at Jorja Fox (later on CSI) freaking out over a dead body.

136

The dog didn't show up out of nowhere. It was living with Rose and Bernard. Having the dog show up made the story come full circle and also means Jack didn't die alone.

 

137

 

RickJack, yeah someone (maybe it was you) told me the movie was about the Tommy Lee Jones character's perspective.

138 oh, another funny lefty alternate reality ripped from the headlines was when the Simpsons went after Rush Limbaugh and had the *Republicans* stuffing the ballot box with dead voters. Projection!

139 I'm realizing i don't watch much television.

140 I don't think I saw Michael, Walt or Mr. Eko and friends in the Church at the end. Possible subtext: Black people never die (unless they marry a white guy who looks kinda like Ned Beatty)?

141 Different show, but my personal favorite politicization TV moment was when the original CSI show did a "ripped from the headlines" episode based on the black drug-addicted nurse who ran her car into a homeless guy so hard that his body got lodged halfway in her windshield, and then rather than, I duuno, stop and call the fire department, she parked her car in her garage, went inside and let the guy die for the next six hours bleeding onto her dashboard.

Yeah.  Really happened.

Except on CSI, the Most Callous Person in the World was miraculously transformed into a cocky white male criminal defense attorney.

142 Briscoe: I specifically asked for him to be put on suicide watch. Apparently here at Riker's that mean that they watch you commit suicide.

143

 

btw, Rose & Bernard said they were living on their own since '75.

Did they go back in time when the island was moved?

144

132, Michael and his son had left the island a long time before the end of the series. Michael betrayed his friends to The Others so he and Walt could get passage off the island. He also murdered Ana Lucia and Libby. Later on, back "home" Michael died and now his spirit is destined to wander on the island for all eternity.

And yes, Michael was one of the most annoying characters on television. WALT! MY SON! MY BOY!

 

 

145 127 Nighthawk, and maybe Newhart stole that from Dallas...it was all a dream. Posted by: joeindc44 at May 25, 2010 05:20 PM (QxSug) I never watched "Dallas" (couldn't get over watching Larry Hagman without seeing Barbara Eden I guess) but I think maybe that's what Newhart was spoofing.

146 LOST

Simply explained:
Everything on the island really happened and the whole time travel fiasco does work out on the overall time-line.

The flash sideways universe was really purgatory once everyone had died. (time doesn't apply in the realm of the dead)

_{Oh, and Ben Linus was waiting for his surrogate daughter at the end, that's why he didn't go into the church.}

The whole story is focused on the time frame surrounding the flight 815 people because that's the series of events which lead to the downfall of Jacob and defeat of the Man in Black. Jack is merely the frame of reference in a story which otherwise could have gone of forever. That's why the show began and ended with him.

It's really far less complicated of a story than everyone is making it out to be.

147 Speaking of Moriarty.  He writes about L&O at Big Hollywood. 

And John Nolte on its leftward drift.

148

 

Walt was special. That means the writers had plans for the kid to be a significant character...and then dropped him.

149 Book Geek, Michael didn't die at home, he died on the freighter that he himself and rigged with explosives. And I agree--he deserves eternal ghosthood just for being so irritating.

150 #142  Possible subtext: Black people never die (unless they marry a white guy who looks kinda like Ned Beatty)?

I noticed that too.  Maybe they meant to imply that black people don't go to "heaven".

/Likely explanation is that those actors were smart enough not to show up for the finale.

151 It's really far less complicated of a story than everyone is making it out to be.

Maybe I should have paid attention in Philosophy 101.

Then again....nah.

152 What got old and tired for me, other than the liberal slide into mediocrity, was the break down and confess everything moment. Complete with how, why, when and where. CSI is getting bad about that, too.

153 Race, probably.

I too thought that it was just a meh movie until my friend told me to watch it from the Tommy Lee Jone's char perspective.

Over the hill sheriff, going out trying to solve one last big crime before he retires.  As he gets deeper into the case he realizes that if he in fact does come across the killer he will probably die.

154

Perpetually pissed off Mike Logan returns to wreak vengeance on NY Homide for exiling him to the barren Staten Island

And he still has the same tie from the 1980s.

The thing about L&O that made me groan even more than the liberal slant was that every. single. rich person was an asshole who thought morals were only for poor people--and who felt the need to say "Detective, morals are only for poor people."

All the mystery shows are bugging me lately because most of the time I know who dunnit because I recognize one of the actors out of the 5 suspects.

155 The best cop show was Hill Street Blues.

Hear. Hear.  Not only was it incredibly intense at times, it had subtle and dry humor that's often missed during the first viewing of an episode ... especially in the early seasons.

156 Walt was special. That means the writers had plans for the kid to be a significant character...and then dropped him.

The kid grew like three feet taller in a year. They had to write him out, and by default, Michael.

Michael murdered two people. No nirvana for you!

157 So if everything on the island was real, why didn't the fat guy lose any weight. Did they have an Arby's on the Island?

Dharma food drops.

158 #148  It's really far less complicated of a story than everyone is making it out to be.

Doesn't make the ending any more satisfying. 

Besides, if you want philosophy, read a book.  Don't try to get it from a TV show because you get are e-harmony heavens. 

159

What about the one where whenever there was a B-list celebrity on the show in a supposed minor role, he inevitably was the one who did it.  Cuz why else would he be on the show?

Oops, didn't see that before I posted.

160

So if everything on the island was real, why didn't the fat guy lose any weight. Did they have an Arby's on the Island?

There was always plenty of food on the island. Dharma kept making those food drops, so Hurley always had candy bars in his backpack.

161

 

okay, last question about Lost.

Remember the big guy with the fake beard? He meets up with Michael? in NYC and he's gay...anyway he tells Michael people can come and go from the island as they please.

What happened to him?

And remember that whole storyline about trying to get the women on the island pregnant? And did we ever find out Rousseau went crazy? Was it because she didn't get that medication they were giving the women to keep them from getting sick?

162 Homicide was a great show, but I like L & O too. I just skip the silliest political episodes. Granted, there have been an increasing number of those over the past few years. We just watch the reruns of the old ones on TNT and USA.

163

Doesn't make the ending any more satisfying. 

Besides, if you want philosophy, read a book.  Don't try to get it from a TV show because you get are e-harmony heavens. 

As a religious allegory, it was very satisfying. As a whodunit, maybe not.

164 Oh, and Ben Linus was waiting for his surrogate daughter at the end, that's why he didn't go into the church.

But poor little baby Aaron was in the church.

165

Little secret of mine - I'm a sucker for redemptive or "everybody is in heaven" endings.  Even applies to video games.  I loved the ending of Dante's Inferno (Dante is absolved of his sins and ready to climb Purgatory) vs GoW3 (Kratos is dead, the world is in chaos with "hope" everywhere), even though GoW3 is a much superior game overall.

I have a similar issue with "morality" games.  Games where you have the option of choosing good or evil choices.  Like Fallout 3 or the KOTOR games.  I really have trouble choosing the bad paths even though its just a game.  I want to go with the good actions almost always.

166 #164  Remember the big guy with the fake beard? He meets up with Michael? in NYC and he's gay...anyway he tells Michael people can come and go from the island as they please.

I can answer that one - Sawyer shot him in revenge for taking Walt at the end of Season 4.

167 #'s 91 & 126: Angie Harmon has a new series coming on TNT this summer. Its a cop show, based on a book series. Kate, from NCIS is in it too. I thought of another one: there was no door in NYC they couldn't kick in. It was especially pathetic when they had Lenny do it.

168 I see George W. around every corner. Bastard's everywhere...

169 In Plain Sight is refreshing to watch because it's not the same format of "find body, follow 17 clues until all becomes clear but unprovable without the confession that will happen."

170 So if everything on the island was real, why didn't the fat guy lose any weight. Did they have an Arby's on the Island?

The same reason why no one ever got sun burned, ran out of toothpaste, shaving cream & razors, feminine products, needed a haircut, clothing never wore out, outside of a plot device.

Kind of like on BSG/SGU/any sci-fi stranded in deep space thing, no one is really concerned about running out of bullets a billion lightyears away from resupply.

171 rich person was an asshole who thought morals were only for poor people--and who felt the need to say "Detective, morals are only for poor people."

Have you ever read Theodore Dalrymple?  He's written quite a bit about how rich people can live immorally and be OK because their money insulates them from consequences , but poor people who emulate them ruin their lives.

Characters may have been assholes, but they were onto something.

172 The number ONE cliche of ALL "crime dramas" is that the guilty person  is never, EVER, the first person arrested.

173

 

did you notice Lupidis was very clean shven when he took off in the airplane?

And everyone else except Hurley and Sawyer were clean shaven.

174 did you notice Lupidis was very clean shven when he took off in the airplane?

Did Lupidus make it to the church?

He only saved their asses like three times.

175

Maybe, Heather, but it was poor writing (and screamed of personal issues belonging to the writers) to show every single rich person with the same attitude.

176 The same reason why no one ever got sun burned, ran out of toothpaste, shaving cream & razors, feminine products, needed a haircut, clothing never wore out, outside of a plot device.


That was something that bothered me. None of the women ever had hairy armpits, legs or mega bushes no matter how many times they stripped down to the underwear. Those Dharma disposable razors must be awesome.

177

Ok, I watched it for a while but then thought it was too weird. Is this right:

The events on the island happen. Some people die and some escape. The island does something wierd with the rock, pool, and light. Meanwhile, there are sideways lives which are really purgatory and include a baby in utereo? Then after Jack dies the good ones all get together and go on together.

And that is supposed to be evident?

178

 

Nope, Lupidis wasn't at the church. Neither was Miles. Or Richard.

179

jimg @ 74:

You are not alone. I stopped watching tv after my kids were born because they were 20 months apart and I was always exhausted. After surviving their toddler years, I tried to tune back into the world of network tv and could not believe how bad it seemed - like dialogue and plot lines written by Meth-crazed monkeys.

 

 

180 And why do they have to remember that they know each other? How could they forget?

181 Law & Order: The Wrath of Logan

Perpetually pissed off Mike Logan returns to wreak vengeance on NY Homide for exiling him to the barren Staten Island

You... I don't know you. But YOU, I never forget a face... Mr ... Profaci!

You never told him about me. How Capt Van Buren exiled me on this island 15 years ago, and never bothered to see how I was doing...

Capt Van Buren showed you hospitality! There was life on Staten Island!

THIS IS STATEN ISLAND !!! When Lower Manhattan blew up, the shock changed the orbit of Staten Island....

182 Lost. First off, if the only episode you ever watch was the last one... shut your face. That episode wasn't written for you. It would be gibberish. Now a perfect show would have had an accessible final show for someone who had never seen en ep. Lost isn't perfect - get over it. Second, stop hating the writers for Hurley staying fat. 2a. He wasn't on the island for SIX YEARS. The total time he spent on the island (not counting time travel excursions) was in the range of 3-5 months. 2b. And, there was no food shortage because the losties were feasting off Dharma initiative food drops. Hurley even gorged himself on a big ass jar of ranch dressing once! The really weird stuff (the side flashbacks, alt universe, purgatory or whatever) was the 6th season. Once you grasp that the side-universe/afterlife whatever was NOT going on at the same time as the regular island (in fact, it was outside time) it falls into place better. And it, more or less, worked. I didn't like when I watched it but after mulling it over it has settled in and I'm comfortable with it. Sort of the opposite of Spider-man 3 which I liked when I left the theater and now think was craptacular. BUT, they didn't explain everything. That's right. they didn't. So? They explained enough. Also... they were making up a lot of it as they went along. That's a dangerous thing to do and they probably never expected the show to make it to the final episode. That they were able to make an acceptable ending was a triumph. Compare and contrast with Babylon 5 where JMS knew where he wanted the show to go from the first episode. THAT'S the way to do it but you don't always get your way. On other hand, you have 24 where the writers NEVER know how (in detail) what's going to happen in the 2nd half of each season. That's why they keep finding those pesky moles in CTU - they have to tie up story lines. I'm don't know for sure but I'm betting that the s8 mole/russian-agent only became one in the writer's minds well after the first few episodes were produced. In shows like that it's a miracle that you even get a coherent ending. And, all too often, you don't. Ref Sopranos... Tony got shot in the head from behind. The last segment was from his perspective so we didn't see anything. I've read intricate and convoluted scenarios explaining otherwise and they made sense to me until I read a recent piece by the shows PRODUCER saying they were all full of beans and that OF COURSE Tony got shot - it's freakin' obvious! (he went into some detail on the evidence he put into the last show to prove his point) Finally, Justified is the best thing on TV currently. PROVE ME WRONG!

183

The events on the island happen. Some people die and some escape. The island does something wierd with the rock, pool, and light. Meanwhile, there are sideways lives which are really purgatory and include a baby in utereo? Then after Jack dies the good ones all get together and go on together.

And that is supposed to be evident?

Posted by: dagnymc at May 25, 2010 05:54 PM (2GXiu)

as for the island, think of it as Eden. As in the story, the light represents the good in all man (as the apple did).

184 Finally, Justified is the best thing on TV currently. PROVE ME WRONG!

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at May 25, 2010 06:03 PM (jf5rK)

Breaking Bad says hello

185 ^{187 Finally, Justified is the best thing on TV currently. PROVE ME WRONG!}

^{Posted by: Comrade Arthur at May 25, 2010 06:03 PM (jf5rK)}

^{Breaking Bad says hello}

^{Posted by: fartbubble}

The Stanley Cup Playoffs say you two bitches need to take your shoes off, make me a sammich, and bring your shinebox.

186 The first seasons of the original Law & Order were good, but I could never take SVU seriously from the first season, which, if I recall correctly, had the white O.J. and the homophobic Leopold and Loeb.

187 If and when 24 goes into production as a movie, it won't be worth shit if Joel Surnow isn't the producer and writer

188 And Madmen, too.

189 And don't forget my boobs and butt!

190 Ace, you forgot to add the Feds/Military/DHS taking the key witness away from McCoy et al right before the trial. Of course the key witness was up to his/her ears in all of the shenanigans,  if not the actual perp.

This plot line seemed to be used more starting in  2001 and slowed down after 2008 IIRC.

191 > 132 yeah, the dog shows up out of nowhere. and where was Michael and his annoying 'special' son? Posted by: Race Bannon The dog was living with the black/white couple that were hiding in jungle - trying to avoid the drama that everybody else was involved with. Besides the real reason we didn't see the Michael's kid anymore (the growth spurt) they had an story in one of the web only mini-episodes where his emerging power scared the crap out of the Others so the Others were all too eager to get him far far off the island.

192 The last time I posted something about Lost I got totally reamed by someone here.  I loved the ending, it was really the only way it could have been.  Everything that happened, happened.

Fuck that load of fucknutted fuckshit.  There are no do-overs?  Fuck that shit, I wanted them all to have second chances, and this sideways universe made it look that way until they fucking went M Night fucking Shamlanhoweverthefuckhislastnameisspelled on me.  The writers wanted to make the island itself purgatory, but got sniffed out on that so they decided to create a ridgoddamnediculous sideways reality where everyone is frigging tits up DEAD.  Jesus Christ.

193 The Stanley Cup Playoffs say you two bitches need to take your shoes off, make me a sammich, and bring your shinebox.

Posted by: MrCaniac at May 25, 2010 06:11 PM (Vol3D)

we're not talking about sporting events but tv shows. As for the Finals, I've got tickets and I can't wait

194 Fuck that load of fucknutted fuckshit.  There are no do-overs?  Fuck that shit, I wanted them all to have second chances, and this sideways universe made it look that way until they fucking went M Night fucking Shamlanhoweverthefuckhislastnameisspelled on me.  The writers wanted to make the island itself purgatory, but got sniffed out on that so they decided to create a ridgoddamnediculous sideways reality where everyone is frigging tits up DEAD.  Jesus Christ.

Posted by: I LOST MY ASS at May 25, 2010 06:22 PM (gLNLT)

so the fact that the dude's name was Christian Sheppard didn't ring any fucking clues for you?

195 Ref best show on tv now. Mad Men and Breaking Bad don't count because I haven't watched them yet! Aha! irrefutable!

196 Well gee fartsy, I'm sorry that I didn't get that an asswipe daddy who belittled his son and had an affair overseas and drank himself to death would actually be a modern day Jesus Christ leading the flock of Flight 815 to the white light funsies.

197 Well gee fartsy, I'm sorry that I didn't get that an asswipe daddy who belittled his son and had an affair overseas and drank himself to death would actually be a modern day Jesus Christ leading the flock of Flight 815 to the white light funsies.

Posted by: I LOST MY ASS at May 25, 2010 06:31 PM (gLNLT)

He wasn't Jesus, he was a guide (same kind of flaws that George MacDonald and Virgil had). God was Jacob and Esau (man in black) was obviously Lucifer

198 Ace: You don't go to your boss when you have a great case. You go to him in order to get permission to plea bargain it or dump it.

199 Don't bash Briscoe.  He was great, and his perfect deadpan delivery made even the most predictable one-liners funny.  And while the show was definitely left-minded, they were pretty honest about it and there were frequent instances where the characters at least momentarily had to reconsider their leftist positions.

"Except on CSI, the Most Callous Person in the World was miraculously transformed into a cocky white male criminal defense attorney."

Yeah, Steve Sailer has a few good posts on how Law and Order loves to rip crimes from the headlines and then turn all the criminals white.

200

He wasn't Jesus, he was a guide (same kind of flaws that George MacDonald and Virgil had). God was Jacob and Esau (man in black) was obviously Lucifer.

I think thats where it went to shit.  The whole series was leaning sci-fi and gearing up for a Fringe like explanation for the events on the island after the mystery of the Dharma initiative was revealed, and then it went new agey christiany out of left field.  It was unexpected and quite frankly so fantastically stupid that it ruined the series.  Seriously, a stone shaped like a cork in a kitchen sink of a cave is what prevents the universe from imploding on itself?  Really?  REALLY?  But hey, all the characters are hugging each other in Deadality (minus the black dudes and the latina), so it's all good.

Sigh, I need a drink.

201 After Jill Hennessey left, it was not as, uh, compelling as it had been before.

202 Even if L&O had become absurdly liberal, it still was a lazily written show, with hackneyed plots and stiff dialogue. And McCoy's self righteousness made me want to punch the elderly. And yes, Homicide was eons better. It actually featured character development and realism, like murders actually being committed by black drug dealers instead of lily white executives.

203

"Some of us like Murder She Wrote."

Well, the thing about that show was there sure were a hell of a lot of people over the years who seemed to have the "misfortune" of dropping dead in the vicinity of Angela Lansbury. I always thought somebody should have investigated that.

I would have had the dame brought in for hard interrogation every month or two at the very least.

204 Jack didn't die until AFTER the cut on his neck. 

205

He wasn't Jesus, he was a guide (same kind of flaws that George MacDonald and Virgil had). God was Jacob and Esau (man in black) was obviously Lucifer

I disagree--Jacob wasn't God, Jacob was an angel who was posted there to protect the light. The island was the Garden of Eden. The light was the tree of life--Adam and Eve could've kept eating from it and lived forever but once they knew about good and evil God had to kick them out of Eden to keep them from living forever. In Genesis, God posted angels at the Garden of Eden to prevent anyone from finding the tree of life and living forever. I think the story of Lost is the story of the garden and the angels who got stuck with guardian duty.

I used to hear about the Lost island=Garden of Eden theory and thought it was crap. But now after watching this last season and especially the finale, I think it's spot on.

I think the writers started with "what if the Garden of Eden were real" and went from there. Is it the same angel guarding it all this time? Or do they pass the baton off every now and then? If so, to who? And who exactly are they protecting it from? Wouldn't it have special powers? What if people found it? Etc.

Jack was the Christ-figure. Jeez, he even got pierced in the side at the end. But the light going out, and then going back on after Jack sacrifices himself and saves the world matches up quite nicely to Jesus's resurrection and ultimate victory over death.

206

Uh... Lost was good. Great run. Ended well. So Jack dies...

Two things..

Total Deus ex Machina thing sucked balls. Cheap route. Yeah... yeah.. no one expected that. No one expected that because it was stupid and nonsequitar.

Might as well have gone the Newhard route and have Jack way up to find it'd all been a dream. (I was actually worried they were trying that).

The other thing?

Locke was right. Jack? Jack? MOST OBVIOUS CHOICE EVER. How suck. Small comfort he died after he saved the whole world. They should have killed his whiney ass 2 episodes ago.

So.. Jack was obvious (to be the hero, if not the long term replacement), and the whole flash sideways thing? I'm wishing that had just never happened because that was just lame.

207

Nope, Lupidis wasn't at the church. Neither was Miles. Or Richard.

Oh Hurley's dead girlfriend who Michael shot.

Or Michael.

Who cares? The church ending sucked.

208

Don't try to get it from a TV show because you get are e-harmony heavens. 

E-harmony heavens?

If I follow that, I think you got it. They just went out in a massive pander-fest.

"We want it to be about the characters!", just a bunch of pap where they hook everybody up with thier soulmates and have them all gaze in awe at the light together.

209

Jacob wasn't God, Jacob was an angel who was posted there to protect the light. The island was the Garden of Eden.

That would have made sense, but I don't think that's what they were going for.

It seemed to be, but then it wasn't...

210

so the fact that the dude's name was Christian Sheppard didn't ring any fucking clues for you?

No.

Even now that the show is over that still doesn't make any damn sense.

Jack as christ allegory, perhaps (and god I've hated Jack for 3 seasons at least)... but his dead dad? Who's been dead the whole time before the show even started or the plane crashed? WTF? Huh?

211

That was something that bothered me. None of the women ever had hairy armpits, legs or mega bushes no matter how many times they stripped down to the underwear. Those Dharma disposable razors must be awesome.

For that matter none of the dudes had chest hair.

212

172 In Plain Sight is refreshing to watch because it's not the same format of "find body, follow 17 clues until all becomes clear but unprovable without the confession that will happen."

 

The ending monologues are some of the best writing on tv.

 

Justified IS the best thing on tv, tho. Cable is beating broadcast tv to death.

213 Breaking Bad.

214 I disagree--Jacob wasn't God, Jacob was an angel who was posted there to protect the light. The island was the Garden of Eden. The light was the tree of life--Adam and Eve could've kept eating from it and lived forever but once they knew about good and evil God had to kick them out of Eden to keep them from living forever. In Genesis, God posted angels at the Garden of Eden to prevent anyone from finding the tree of life and living forever. I think the story of Lost is the story of the garden and the angels who got stuck with guardian duty.

You must have missed the second-to-last episode before the finale, in which they showed the early back-story of Jacob and the unnamed Man in Black.  Jacob and the Man in Black were twin brothers, born to a woman who was ship-wrecked on the island.  The crazy woman who was serving as island guardian killed the mother immediately after their birth and then raised them as her own.  About a dozen years later, the Man in Black learned that the crazy woman wasn't actually his mother and had killed his real mother, so he went to live in the village formed by the other shipwreck survivors, hoping to someday leave the island.  Jacob chose to stay with his fake mother and continued being a slow-witted Mama's boy.  About three decades later, the crazy woman murdered everyone on the island except for Jacob and the Man in Black, and she made Jacob into the new island protector.  The Man in Black then killed the crazy woman, was beaten up by Jacob, and was sent by Jacob into the magical glowy light tunnel, resulting in the ejection of both his corpse and the smoke monster.  All three of them were humans who didn't have much understanding of what they were doing.

215 Oh this reminds me of a Law and Order: CI. I remember the begining. It started out with a Arab Muslim girl getting attacked by a group of Jewish boys. I thought to myself "okay whats wrong with this picture? I have never heard of something like this happening, ever! Because if something like this did happen then MFM or f**king CAIR would never let this go." Now if the girl was Jewish and the boys were Muslim then you would have a more believable episode as Muslim men make it there life's mission to make the lives of people of other faiths miserable, but Dick Wolf who is a dick, like the rest of Hollywerid is spineless or lives in lala land.

216 Totally missed out on the Motion to Suppress that occurred 35 minutes into every show.  Every time, without fail, right after they had the suspect in custody, the smarmy defense attorney would hand McCoy or the babe ADA their blue-jacketed Motion to Suppress.

217 After Moriarty left, things went downhill pretty fast. I liked Chris Noth until his last episode where he gets all homophilic.

218 kratos- it wasn't you who jumped my ass and race, you're just damn funny.  I am lmao at some of the comments on Lost.  I can understand and even agree that some of it seems silly but I just really loved that they all got to go to Heaven together (that's my take anyway) because they meant so much to each other on the island.  I like to think that someday, when I die, that's how it will be.  I'll see my dad and step dad and friends who have passed before me.  We'll all just hook up somewhere that I have already dreamed up and hug and be happy and then go on to enjoy each other forever.  Yeah, I know it's sappy.  I'm just a sappy person I guess. 

219 #205/logprof: Did you know Jill Hennessy has a twin sister?

220 I always loved how, while being interviewed by NYPD homicide detectives, people would not just sit there and pay complete attention, but would go on doing all sorts of crazy everyday shit. Like sort laundry. Repair cars. Sequence some genes. Whittle.

221  the Moriarty-Noth-Sorvino/other guy-Robinette (don't know all their actual names) seasons were great.  I stopped watching shortly into the McCoy era because I just couldn't stand his character from the very beginning.  Waterston was huge step down from Moriarty.

Homicide was great for a while too.  I actually don't care so much for Braugher (but then you're not supposed to like him anyway) but Yaphet Kotto as Lt Giardello was awesome, and Jon Polito was very good as well.  If they had just axed fucking Dick Munch, they really would've been on top of things.

222

You must have missed the second-to-last episode before the finale, in which they showed the early back-story of Jacob and the unnamed Man in Black.  Jacob and the Man in Black were twin brothers, born to a woman who was ship-wrecked on the island. 

No, I didn't miss that episode. I think that the "angels" who are assigned to protect the light may have started out as humans, but whenever they take over the task, they are given a certain amount of immortality, lots of supernatural powers, etc., making them the equivalent of the guardian angels spoken of in Genesis. When they guardian characters on the show like Jack, Hurley, Jacob, accept their task, they have to "drink from the cup" (another Biblical reference). That's when they change from regular humans to angels (for lack of a better descriptor).

All three of them may have started out as "humans who didn't have much understanding of what they were doing," but when they accepted their tasks and drank from their respective cups, they understood it just fine.

223 There's one episode of "SVU" I really like (the one where Michael Gross kills his wife while tripping on Viagra) but that's only because one of my sisters has a minute-and-a-half bit part in it.

224 One of my rules is that if your name is said 3x before the credits, you're the corpse.

225 I loved L/O for most of its run. The turnoff was when McCoy would go after right-wing groups, but extol the virtues of the left-wing groups of the 60s and 70s.

It fell into the Alan Alda preachiness zone by telling us how hateful we were for opposing abortion, gay rights, restrictive gun laws and supporting free speech for conservatives.

I loved Lenny, his opening lines were classics.
I loved Chris Noth and was glad when he was on L/O Criminal intent.
I missed Michael Moriarty and Richard Brooks (first ADA and assistant)
I like Waterson, but the supermodel of the year shtick got old quick.

Best partner duo were Noth and Paul Sorvino.

226 Sigh.

I just want to say 1) I enjoyed the list of cliche, 2) Nice Spiderman reference.

227 PERJURY!!! 

when all else fails - Jack McCoy goes for perjury because perjury charges are really bad.

228

And did we ever find out Rousseau went crazy? 

Sure.  All we had to do was read Emile.  Or The Social Contract.

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