Will add that Afghanistan had a protest today against this calling out "Death to America"

http://tinyurl.com/2fgwkeb

The good Reverend obviously left his WWJD bracelet on the dresser.

Just sayin'

Same objection as to the Ground Zero Victory Mosque:

They have a constitutional right to do it, and we have a constitutional right to try and talk them out of it.

Notice how Muslims will lash out at any kafir for the actions of one small church?

But don't you dare notice the huge number of radicals passing through the mosques and Islamic centers. 

Doesn't Islam have a flag or something that could be burned in lieu

I believe the flags of Saudi Arabi and other Middle Eastern Countries is considered holy items in Islam as well and offensive to burn.

Taliban -

 Bombing and Burning Girls Schools

 Enforcing Religious Edicts on the general population of Several Countries

Engaging in Narcotics Trading and Cultivation

 Engaging in a Declared War on America without wearing Uniforms while hiding among a civilian population on the battlefield.

Bible Thumpers -

Clearly not 'Getting it'.

Burning some Korans.

http://tinyurl.com/co34dd

The flag of Saudi Arabia bears the shahada or Islamic declaration of faith. Because the shahada is considered holy, Saudi Arabia's flag code is extremely strict and even the slightest violation amounts to desecration not only of the flag but also of Islam itself. This has led to several incidents of controversy. In 1994, McDonald's printed carry-out bags bearing the flags of all nations participating in the FIFA World Cup, while Coca-Cola did the same on cans of soda. Because of Saudi outrage, the companies stopped producing those items. Also during the FIFA World Cup, in 2002, Saudi officials protested against printing the flag on a football on the belief that kicking the creed with the foot was totally unacceptable.

What if they just draw a Cartoon of Mohammed Burning a Koran?

Would that be ok?

30

Magnificent!

It's absurd to assert that this will make a measureable difference to anything.  Here we go again - worrying ourselves to death over what a bunch of vile, worthless savages think.  Piss on them - the opinion of some Afghan goat herder means less than nothing to me. 

I see one potential benefit from publicizing the koran burning party - perhaps it will discourage a few muslims from moving to this country.  Let them go to Europe or Canada instead.  Anything that makes America less welcoming to the muz is a good thing.

Free speech or desecration ?

http://tinyurl.com/2f7pov6

Insurance companies and libraries, to start, need to set up special policies and procedures for dealing with the Quran.  It's the only book which, if mishandled, or someone alleges it was mishandled, regularly leads to trials, death or dismemberment.  

My policy: online Qurans only.   It's the only way to be sure.  And no emoticons!  (depiction of the human form)

I am certainly sympathetic to fact that the koran burners aren't helping. What they are doing is provocative and stupid.

At the same time I'm not really comfortable with the idea of lecturing Americans on what they should or should not do because of the way foriegn people may react to it elsewhere. While I understand that Petreaus said he didn't want to inhibit anybody's first amendment rights...by bringing the prestige of his name and position, and the idea of "endangering the troops" into this matter, he has kind of done just that. This same meme could just as easily be used to attack opposition to the ground zero mosque, or opposition to CAIR, etc.

Posted by: Fuck Em at September 06, 2010 06:39 PM (IhHdM)

  I was sitting here getting ready to say the same thing. Are we supposed to go to eternity worrying about every little thing that offends these people? I've thought a few times that maybe we should turn some area over there into glass and ask them how they like that. Any more shit and we have a list and Mecca is on it too. Now keep it up.

Don't the Taliban know that our CiC has declared 'WINpasse' and a date for withdrawl/retreat?   _{All in hopes of solidifying his base for 2012.}

Oh, yeah.

We know that they know this.

...and they know that we know that they know. 

But THIS, this? will be the bee in the bonnet...er fly in the Antibiotic Anal Gonnorhea Ointment of the Taliban.

Please, Sir.

Posted by: Fuck Em at September 06, 2010 06:39 PM (IhHdM)

Exactly.  Accomodating the muz brings nothing but a false peace, and gives them time to prepare for their next attrocity.

If anything, more acts of provocation are needed.  It seems they need some more object lessons.  Of course, we need to wait until a real man is in the White House, so no sense pushing too hard for a couple years.

Look, this isn't taking place in Afghanistan.  It's taking place here, in America.  Are we really supposed to stop doing things like this here, because of what others in foreign countries might think?

I mean no disrespect when I say this, but we have an openly gay co-blogger named Gabriel Malor.  I'm sure that pissess off someone overseas.  Do we ditch Gabe?  Hell no.

There are a lot of people who think we should let gays serve openly in the armed forces.  Well, I'm sure the taliban would have a few things to say about that.  So what?  If the arguement is that gays have right to serve openly, do we let a bunch of mideval (sic) theocrats in the mountains of Afghanistan have their way about this?

I mean, when the Army clamped down on soldiers who wanted to proslethize (sic) or hand out Bibles in muslim countries, I could understand that.

But here?  What the hell?  If somebody burning a Koran here in the U.S. endangers U.S. troops overseas, well, I'm very sorry but that is a extra risk the troops will have to endure.  And if some are killed because of this, I'm not blaming the Koran burners.  I'm blaming the taliban.

Honestly, to me this seems like a no brainer.  No disrespect intended, but I can't see how we could let the taliban dictate what is alowed in terms of free speach here in the U.S.

JFK:

"Ask not what your country can do for you-ask what you can do for your country"

Barry Islam Ogabe:

"My opponents talk about me like a dog"

Umm... Barry..I would NEVER talk about my dog...or any other, for that matter, the way I talk about you

Yahweh, David Petraeus and William Caldwell
Would never okay the way you do your thing
Ding ding ding, ding, ding, ding
And youÂ’ll get yours, David Petraeus and William Caldwell
CoddlinÂ’ and even sidinÂ’ with that Islam stuff like you do
Boo hoo hoo, boo hoo hoo

Where have you gone, General George S. Patton?
Our nation turns its longing eyes to you
WhatÂ’s that you say, David Petraeus and William Caldwell?
You have banished ‘ol Blood and Guts far away
Hey hey hey, hey hey hey

Coo coo ca-choo, Mr. Pentagon
Mohammad appreciates you more than you will know
Woo woo woo, woo woo woo
Allah blesses you, yes, Mr. Pentagon
He may grant some small temporary mercy to those infidels who their own mislead and betray
Hey hey hey, hey hey hey

Posted by: rawmuse at September 06, 2010 06:47 PM (bTrk5)

I don't condone book burning, but if these people need to burn a book, they might consider books by the founders and leaders of Al-Qaeda, the Taliban and Salafism, rather than the Koran.  Or maybe a few hundred copies of Imam Rauf's book, "What's Right with Islam."

Umm... Barry..I would NEVER talk about my dog...or any other, for that matter, the way I talk about you

Posted by: beedubya at September 06, 2010 06:54 PM (AnTyA)

Yeah, most people I know who talk about their dogs describe them as loyal, intelligent and companionable.  Some even talk about how helpful and useful they are.  The only people who talk about Obama that way are Leftards.

Posted by: stuiec at September 06, 2010 06:51 PM (fgCQL)

Throw an Intern and a Cigar in there and you're talking!

OK, that does it. Get the fuck out of Afghanistan. The whole excuse was fighting them there was better than fighting them here. Gigantic mistake. I'm ready to fight them here. Let's get it on. Too many people don't get it until it happens right in their own sandbox. OK, MFs, let's go.

We are killing off fantastic young people with stupid Rules of Non-Engagement and worrying about insulting people who are trying to kill us. I'm going ballistic. I've been pushed over the edge by this bullcrap.

I just saw on Fox where the Miami Dolphins had to interrupt practice so they could all look for one of the players' 2.5 ct diamond earring in the turf..

...Jesus...where have all the men gone?

Posted by: MrScribbler at September 06, 2010 06:50 PM (Ulu3i)

  I would agree, but it isn't going to happen, their religion doesn't allow it. They're muzzies first, countries don't count. That's why I've come to the opinion that they can have their own muzzie country all they want, no nation building, just don't mess with us. Of course exploiting our own energy sources comes into play and maybe we can let them kill themselves all they want. Let's stop financing them with oil money and let them die. As I said, don't mess with us or you're country is glass. 

I mean, didn't someone famous say "I disagree with what you are saying, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it."?

Seriously, I can't remember who said that.

But this situation seems to me to come closer to that than anything I can think of.

I mean, didn't someone famous say "I disagree with what you are saying, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it."?

Seriously, I can't remember who said that.

Voltaire, iirc.

Posted by: Big E at September 06, 2010 06:54 PM (VOigi)

Imagine, if you will, a Jewish congregation getting together in the late 30's, early 40's and burning a pile of copies of Mein Kampf in a public spectacle.  Would we condemn them?  I should hope not.  Burning the koran is little different - in fact, that vile murder manual is a far more offensive book than Mein Kampf.  It is more worthy to go up in smoke.  It is the text that demands the muslims murder "the infidel" to the utter last.  It is used to justify child molestation and rape.  That a single copy should be allowed to exist in paper or electronic form within the borders of the United States is an embarassment.

Posted by: rawmuse at September 06, 2010 06:55 PM (bTrk5)

Depends on how you define "us."

They need to buy some Betty Crock Cookbooks, and then burn them in front of a sign that says "I could burn a Betty Crocker Cookbook, and Newsweek would say I burned the Koran anyway."

If someguy said he was going to burn a Koran, and a bunch of Muslims here in America started protesting, saying "that is offensive, why would you want to do something so shocking to us?", I'd be like, OK, that's cool.  Speach should be responded to with speach.  If there is something being done that you don't like, then by all means, use you first amendment rights.

Just like the Mosque51 have the right to build a mosque, others have the right to peacefully protest.

But they don't have the right to threaten to blow the mosque up or make death threats.

So I understand that burning the Korans is offensive to some.  But if death threats are going to be issued to prevent that from happening, then I have a very serious problem with that.

i recall a little thing about 'piss christ' being art

fuck'em, burn the damn books and if the fools over there act up, use more ammo....hell, use the burning books as fuel for a big pig roast

if these bastards in wherethehelleverstan can burn our flag in front of the troops, some idiot in florida can burn their book

Good luck with that since they outnumber us about 3 to 1.

Posted by: rawmuse at September 06, 2010 06:55 PM (bTrk5)

Heh heh.  If we took the gloves off, they could outnumber us 100 to 1 and it wouldn't save them.  They exist because we choose not to exterminate them.

_{I still want to know what exactly our mission is over there.}

Well it is not to export our culture or to impose our imperial will!

It's more to declare a Judicious and Equitable end to Amero-Sapien Aided - Offensive-Action.

Jesus rebuked the church at Laodicea for doing nothing. “I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Too many Christians and too many churches do nothing. They are standing idly by, they are mere spectators. They sit on the sidelines instead of actively participating and working for the good [and some even work against the good by attacking those working for the good]. If good wins, they will join in the celebration though they did nothing to produce the victory. If evil wins, they will complain long and loud though their own apathy [and in some cases actions] helped produce the undesirable result.

Go fuck yourself.

Posted by: Wiccans at September 06, 2010 07:07 PM (uCjoj)

The Wiccans?  How many divisions do they have?

The people at al-Qaeda says that the Mosque issue is the best recruitment tool for them. The best place to put a Mosque is at GZ to show how tolerant America is. Any Muslim that bombs that would be hated.BTW, the palce two blocks from GZ is a Gym. People have been wanting to stick it to al-Qaeda so bad but they stuck themselves. Trying to paint the POTUS as a Muslim and then wanting to slam Muslims is stupid. All the Rethugs can do is promote violence.Beck had his I hate Black people and Dr.King march, what did that accomplish? That Beck is a racist that wants to start riots.

BTW, analogies of peace rallies to Koran burnings is ludicrious. We seen the right march down the street with guns. We seen on Fox Beck punches a photo of the President something that if a Black person had did that while Reagan was President, they would have been excuted.

100....There's about 1.5 billion Christians in the world, and about 1.5 billion muslims.........

and we have God and nukes............

Jesus told of a traveler who was robbed, beaten and left half dead. The men who did this were wicked and did a very wicked thing. But the Levite and priest allowed this evil to continue unanswered by doing nothing as they each “passed by on the other side” (Luke 10:31-32). Fortunately for the traveler there was one man, a Samaritan, who was willing to stand up for what was right (Luke 10:33-36).

Jesus warned “He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad” (Matt. 12:30). In the fight against evil there is no middle ground, no gray area, no neutrality. Those who are not actively and vigorously fighting against evil are helping evil to triumph.

Posted by: KG at September 06, 2010 07:05 PM (S8TF5)

OK thanks.  I guess he's a Frenchman and not an American.  None-the-less, it seems to have a real American "attitude" to it.  I like it.

They Fuck Goats, Don't They?

Ever Eat a Koran?

Some Parts are edible..

Posted by: kid funkadelic at September 06, 2010 07:10 PM (lA63n)

Time to put down the crack pipe and get a job.  And how can you expect to collect a trolling check from Axelrod when your posts are so badly written? 

Oh fuck Petreaus, burning their book is a dumb thing to do and I can't think of much it accomplishes but if pissing off the Taliban is one thing it does then maybe it's a good thing.

I never once heard Petreaus bitch about the anti war protesters undermining our troops and giving comfort to the enemy. I didn't care that he didn't because I understood his need to stay out of politics. Now the fucker wants to get political?

If he's got a problem with it for real he should send it to Gates and let Gates explain to the burners why they shouldn't be doing it.

_{Posted by: kid funkadelic at September 06, 2010 07:10 PM (lA63n)}

You. are. AWESOME!

All that is needed for the forces of evil to succeed is for enough good men to remain silent. (Edmund Burke)

And this is worse than remaining silent as it is trying, as Petraeus and Caldwell are doing, to silence those who speak out against evil.

Posted by: kid funkadelic at September 06, 2010 07:10 PM (lA63n)

With your perfect use of English with only an occasional fuck up, you should be executed by being forced to blow Rosie O'Donnell.

_{Some Parts are edible..}

Mohammed loved my Blue Eyed Scallop!

Some fool said that it's the soldiers job to die for their country. Patton said that the job of our soldiers is to get them to die for their country.

Racism, hate, bigotry, that 's all the RepubliKlan party has. No solutions, no new ideas, nothing. Race baiting and starting riots. What's next Beck is going to maarch on Malcolm X birthday and take a whizz on his grave?

Posted by: kid funkadelic at September 06, 2010 07:19 PM (lA63n)

OK - are we being punked?  This is too rediculous not to be a sock...  The guy's gone full retard!

166  Race baiting and starting riots

really?  please name ONE instance of this, just ONE that has happened in the last decade

Posted by: kid funkadelic at September 06, 2010 07:19 PM (lA63n)

You mean that racist black muslim guy killed by other racist black muslims?

Posted by: kid funkadelic at September 06, 2010 07:19 PM (lA63n)

That's a good Idea, we have been talking about a national grave pissing tour. We were going to start with Ted Kennedy, then Walter Cronkite. Do you know where Malcolm X's grave is by any chance?

RepubliKlan

Don't disrespect the Klan, Boy.

Posted by: kid funkadelic at September 06, 2010 07:10 PM (lA63n)

We seen that you're a total fucking idiot.

Serioulsy, dumbfucker...you have picked the wrong place to come with that stupid shit

172  lets see, you state this

Racism, hate, bigotry, that 's all the RepubliKlan party has

then you post this

you peckerwood ,redneck, white-trash mother fucker!

not a master debater, are you?

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 06, 2010 07:23 PM (hV/FZ)

Virginia Tech is a gun-free zone.  Boise State is a required-carry zone.

I'm rooting for the Broncos.

Posted by: rawmuse at September 06, 2010 07:22 PM (bTrk5)

USA + nukes + the will to do some killin' vs. any number of muslims at all - I like the odds.   Conventional forces alone, augmented by use of some of our more interesting chemical weapons (to clean out the population centers), would be enough.  What are those 1.5 million fatalistic, mostly ignorant and powerless, raping/murdering/child-molesting vermin going to do?  Our men we under absurd levels of restraint in Iraq, and that whole nation killed fewer of us than we lost in a single major battle up through the time of the Viet Nam war.  We could wipe them away.

"Allowing Korans to be burned is like giving the KKK a permit to march. Allowing it doesn't feel great, but freedom of speech trumps our feelings. So...burn,baby, burn. "

Burning Korans makes the Muslim world hate us. Burning Klansmen would make the world like us, but that's illegal. Besides where would we get more Tea Baggers from?

Posted by: kid funkadelic at September 06, 2010 07:10 PM (lA63n)

File clerk??

What does your boyfriend do?

General Petraeus has accepted a job he should have rejected. He is now reduced to saying that he can't win this war if people keep on making the enemy mad. Apparently, his strategy is to lull the Taliban to sleep, then dash for the exit. Good luck with that, General.

 Say 'what' again. Say 'what' again, I dare you, I double dare you motherfucker, say what one more Goddamn time!

Posted by: SurferDoc at September 06, 2010 07:27 PM (8Sj2b)

He's very busy putting the move on his sister.  But only the squeakhole, as there is a moral requirement for liberals.  No taco, but lots of squeak.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at September 06, 2010 07:24 PM (1TvCg)

I think burning their book is stupid, but tell me something Gabe.

Do you think burning their book pisses the Taliban off more than sending a cruise missile into a village in Pakistan killing 27 women and children and maybe one guy who we think might be a Taliban leader?

And having MLK's neece spik didn't fuul me ether!!!!!!!

Posted by: i got a gal in kalamazoo zoo zoo zoo at September 06, 2010 07:27 PM (DTy7x)

Lay off Mr. Malor.  He's no Captain Ed.

Burning Klansmen would make the world like us, but that's illegal. Besides where would we get more Tea Baggers from?

ummm, the grand kleagle Byrd....what party was he in again?

even better, the 1988 presidential runner, the grand wizard himself David Duke....what party was he?

lA63n

Do you think burning their book pisses the Taliban off more than sending a cruise missile into a village in Pakistan killing 27 women and children and maybe one guy who we think might be a Taliban leader?

Posted by: robtr at September 06, 2010 07:30 PM (fwSHf)

Sucks for those women and children to not get the hell away from the suspected Taliban leader.

Posted by: kid funkadelic at September 06, 2010 07:27 PM (lA63n)

Know how Democrats get elected in WV??

They join the Klan...

...seriously...just ask Bill Clinton

Didn't Malcolm X get killed because he was starting to see the light and beginning to preach about the equality and brotherhood of races?

Didn't a gang of Black Muslims plan and carry out his execution?

Does this new and most foul troll make my keyboard look fat?

He died in a room filled with 30 undercover cops. COINTELPRO was a big part of his death. Blacks killed Patrice Lumumba but the CIA was behind it. The original peaceful Black Panthers were killed by Hoover's FBI.

Malcolm did speak about the brotherhood of race before he died. So why did Sean Klannity said that Malcolm was racist?

Ga-Ga

Goo-Ga

Ga-Ga

Goo-Ga

Ga-Goo-Goo-Ga-Ga

Posted by: Editor at September 06, 2010 07:26 PM (YX6i/)

Answer the damn question, Gabe, 'cause I need to know if I should just skip over all of your posts in the future.  Though, I think the answer is quickly becoming obvious.

Posted by: FUBAR at September 06, 2010 07:13 PM (LPL4Z)

threadwinner

Posted by: kid funkadelic at September 06, 2010 07:27 PM (lA63n)

For those who held out hope that the ROE was going to undergo a 'positive transformation' under General Petraeus, you will be disappointed. This is the point where I am suppose to say; 'I told you so'.

nobody?

not even the troll?

226  cointelpro, fbi, cia,yep all a conspirasy....newflash, its because the nation of islam leaders are about the money and keeping the little folk like you as their modern day slave, a little defunct whore sent to bring them some more cash

so, david duke....what party was he in?

_{newflash, its because the nation of islam leaders are about the money and keeping the little folk like you as their modern day slave, a little defunct whore}

Don't denegrate the Fruit of my Loom!

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 06, 2010 07:35 PM (hV/FZ)

Makes sense to me.  Send the reasonable-sounding trolls to sites where they have some realistic chance of changing minds.  Send the retarded 9-year-olds to AoSHQ.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2010 07:29 PM (kq1lG)

Yawn. Hiding behind a dead body instead of making an argument. It's pretty low to imply that folks who oppose the Koran-burning approve of Daniel Pearl's death.

I oppose the Koran-burning for a couple reasons. First, it ain't going to make Americans safer. And I'm not talking about pissing off the Taliban. I'm talking about thus-far non-militant Muslims in the Western world. I'd much rather they believe they have more in common with us than with radical Muslims overseas. So things that would push their young, unemployed males into the "kill Americans" camp seem like a stupid idea.

Second, it's not going to convert anyone to Christianity (or at least, away from Islam). Nobody is going to see this act of gleeful destruction as anything other than childish attention-seeking. This is not sharing the Good News. This is a political statement.

Third, (less important than the other too, but still a consideration) as a political statement it is full of fail. As DrewM noted above, the MFM and the Democrats are almost salivating for this. They'll get to slam Christians, the Tea Party, and Republicans at once. It's a three-fer.

Posted by: Lady in Black at September 06, 2010 07:38 PM (M6enm)

This is the best alternative I've heard so far.  Though it would be my preference to do both.  Expose, then burn.

...you know a key part of a Funkadelic show is the audience participation schtick. 

 That and the drugs.

either way, you all suck.  In a good way, though. 

Not like Kid Funkadelic's mom. She's always in a hurry to get to the next guy.

Hey kid funkadelic. This is how to write, work on it:

You are a bloody nardless newbie twit protohominid chromosomally aberrant caricature of a coprophagic cloacal parasitic pond scum and I wish you would go away. You're a putrescence mass, a walking vomit. You are a spineless little worm deserving nothing but the profoundest contempt. You are a jerk, a cad, a weasel. Your life is a monument to stupidity. You are a stench, a revulsion, a big suck on a sour lemon.

You are a bleating fool, a curdled staggering mutant dwarf smeared richly with the effluvia and offal accompanying your alleged birth into this world. An insensate, blinking calf, meaningful to nobody, abandoned by the puke-drooling, giggling beasts who sired you and then killed themselves in recognition of what they had done.

He died in a room filled with 30 undercover cops

If they knew there were 30 undercover cops...wouldn't somebody have said "Hey, theys 30 undercover cops up in here"?

Posted by: rawmuse at September 06, 2010 07:22 PM (bTrk5)

Well, good news!  The Muslims are also splintered, and unlike the various Christian sects that seem largely to have decided to stop killing each other, the extremist Sunni (and to some extent the extremist Shi'a) are busy bombing fellow Muslims in mosques and marketplaces around the Mideast -- and for them, it IS a war against (the wrong flavor of) Islam.

If the Islamic world ever puts aside its internal differences and REALLY declares war on infidels and unbelievers, then it won't just be the USA they're taking on.  They've already significantly pissed off India, Russia and China, all of which have nuclear weapons with which to express their resistance to Islamic domination.  And in places like Nigeria, the war between Muslims and Christians is open and ongoing -- it's hard to disentangle that religious conflict from tribal, ethnic and economic conflicts in that country, just like it was hard to disentangle other factors from the religious conflict in Northern Ireland, so we use the shorthand of the sectarian divide to explain the war.

256   REPUBLIKLAN David Duke.

oh nooooooooo

wrong assmunch, he was the DEMOCRATIC rep from lousiana

and the 1988 DEMOCRATIC runner for the president

Posted by: Lady in Black at September 06, 2010 07:38 PM (M6enm)

Hear, hear!  An excellent idea: "An Open Invitation to American Muslims to Discuss the Word of the Holy Quran and the Hadiths and How It Applies to Modern Life in America."

Posted by: navycopjoe at September 06, 2010 07:43 PM (gg4j2)

Oh for fucksake, he isn't going to do that. He is going to do what he just did. Find a white christian doing something stupid and then speak up about it. White christians are easy targets, war protestors and Muslims are hard.

When a General on the battlefield gets concerned about a small church back home he's got a problem....in his head. He's looking to shift blame for his lack of success. I'd say we have another perfumed prince on our hands.

In Iraq he had his greatest success buying the peace with lucre. The place was partly civilized with all that oil money. In the stan there's a different dynamic going on...no roads worth a shit, few cars, lack of electricity, no refridgerators and A/C's , etc....really backwards. They do have centuries of conflict and their religon...they're going with what they know.

You want to win there? Kill them.

_{How about burning FAKE Korans?}

Would that help my Abs?

Have you tried the 'CoreBlaster'!?!

When a General on the battlefield gets concerned about a small church back home he's got a problem....in his head. He's looking to shift blame for his lack of success. I'd say we have another perfumed prince on our hands.

Posted by: torabora at September 06, 2010 07:48 PM (X8kwy)

Bingo!

Posted by: robtr at September 06, 2010 07:48 PM (fwSHf)

Exactly.  Conservative types are law-abiders.  The state can piss on us all day, and we take it and don't cause trouble.  But if they ever push us too far, the consequences will be... dramatic.

Posted by: Meremortal at September 06, 2010 07:43 PM (7FgWm) .............

well said.........

Third, (less important than the other too, but still a consideration) as a political statement it is full of fail. As DrewM noted above, the MFM and the Democrats are almost salivating for this. They'll get to slam Christians, the Tea Party, and Republicans at once. It's a three-fer.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at September 06, 2010 07:41 PM (1TvCg)

Yeah, about that, please reference ace's update titled "About the spin:" in the Charlie Cook post.

That is all.

I was before the 1st Admendment before I was against it............

Gee, like the Troops / Marines / Sailors / Airmen (and Coasties - assume a couple are tagging along) are not already in danger!  Geeze.

If they can burn my flag that I served 26 years for, I can burn their dambed book about a false prophet Muhammad.

General Mattis is a killer.  Petreaus should just step aside and keep the media and liberal P.C. people away from policy to kill people that need to be dead.

I am probably late with this but you can give your thoughts to that church at http://www.doveworld.org/

I did. Wrote them a nice email explaining how God will see how they will cause pointless death and mayhem in His name. Probably piss Him off.

I fully expect to have them contact me for a contribution. I will respond by explaining that my rice uncle recently died and I can get all his funds released to them for a small fee.

fuck it, let me be the president for a month, i'll fix all this shit once and for all

war on terror, kill all the fuckers when you find them, the ones we captured, kill them too.....to stop further attacks, threatened to nuke mecca and to prove i'm serious, bomb medina

the border issue, put up an active minefield for a mile between the countries, catch an illegal, make him cross the minefield on the way back

prisons, anyone with life w/o p, strap their ass in the chair and end them

2nd amendment, everyone 18yo and older is required to carry concealled

I've never burned a book.

'Point Counter Point' by Aldous Huxley would be where I started, though.

I heard someone on the radio say that burning the Koran was a result of Islamophobia..

...ummm...no...it would be the opposite of Islamophobia

You know who is Islamophobic???...by their own admission????

The MFM. how many of these fucking cowards have said they would not reprint the Danish cartoons..or print anything critical for fear of physical violence??

Phobia...from the Greek meaning intense fear

You all know that they will incinerate us first chance they get, right?  That's in their own words, and it doesn't matter a rat's ass what we did or did not do to their holy book, or anything else - it is sufficient in their belief system that we are different from them to make us fit for slaughter, or if they are feeling generous, enslavement.

We need some new ideas folks, because trying to deal with these fanatics as if they were logical isn't working, and is inevitably going to get a bunch of us killed, probably followed immediately thereafter by a whole shitload of them.  That "probably" is the rub - it is what emboldens the bad guys and lets the rest kick the can down the road before coming to grips with the consequences of allowing mass murderers to live among them.

One thing that occurs to me is simply demanding that Islam must renounce the right and duty to subjugate / kill unbelievers.  That is the root of the problem - it allows the bad people to "sanctify" what they do, and works against any outspoken opposition to them from within their own religion.

I suggest we give them a date by which to renounce both  intolerance and violence, country by country, and to demonstrate that such renunciations are real by allowing other religions to evangelize and worship freely within their country.  Think of it as forced de-segregation if that helps.

Any state that does not renounce this goes on a list.  Call it the burn list.  Let it be known that any attack by muslims on the US that results in mass death of Americans will result in the incineration of the burn list.  Immediately.

Terrible?  What the hell do you think is coming anyway?  At least this way we can honestly offer them, and ourselves, a way out.

Posted by: navycopjoe at September 06, 2010 07:55 PM (gg4j2)

Now THAT's change I can believe in.

Now THAT's change I can believe in.

Posted by: Reactionary at September 06, 2010 07:57 PM (4nbyM)

Be careful.  He's registered.... democrat.

313  yeppers, this democrat would cause the base to explode but damn i would get all the independants

hell, i bet Teh SARAH would endorse me

Is Petraeus going to tell the Israelis that they should keep the gloves on when Hezbollah lets loose the rockets, because killing innocent muslims in Lebanon will aid Taliban recruitment. In all do respect General STFU.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 06, 2010 07:59 PM (hV/FZ)

You're right, rounding up all the japs and putting them in concetration camps in the desert took up most of their free time.

Haven't read the comments, but my .02 cents--

Burning anything is juvenile and counter-productive. It's what imbecilic college kids do at the G-20.

Why not hold a protest and use their own and actions against them?

Here's your sign: Religion of Peace?

_{fuck it, let me be the president for a month}

sorry about the keyboard, Mr. President.

Can we get a moat of alligators in the middle of that minefield?

Be careful.  He's registered.... democrat.

Posted by: Tokyo Rose at September 06, 2010 07:59 PM (YX6i/)

Well, perhaps his example could teach the rest of those pukes how to govern, and then I could stop dreaming of expatraition. 

And besides - I think he just makes that claim for attention. 

321  You're right, rounding up all the japs and putting them in concetration camps in the desert took up most of their free time.

amazing fact:  the only advisor who was against that was...herbert hoover

The muslims in the US will never learn to assimilate if they don't accept things like burning the Korans and drawing Mohammed.

I don't think a lot of them want to assimilate.

328  wtf

make that j edgar hoover

i blame glen beck

oh, i would also make october "beat a yankees fan with a stick" month

and feb would be "kick a cowboys fan in the junk" month

Be careful.  He's registered.... democrat.

Posted by: Tokyo Rose at September 06, 2010 07:59 PM (YX6i/)..........

but he seems tobe coming around tho...........

If we want to burn Korans, we can do so.

It is up to the Muslims to not go into a rage and blow stuff up because of it.

I'm not goingt to tread lightly because some subhumans can't get with the program.

By this standard, next time they burn our flag, we can just drop some random bombs indiscriminately, correct?

How do animals get trained? By negative stimuli.

 _{good strategy to turn Islamic death threats by adopting an "I am Spartacus" approach.}

Gladiator Movie Reference.

oh, i would also make october "beat a yankees fan with a stick" month

and feb would be "kick a cowboys fan in the junk" month

Posted by: navycopjoe at September 06, 2010 08:05 PM (gg4j2)

and October would be...where are the cubs month!

340  nah, there was a time when my party was the conservative party until around 1950 when the commies started taking it over

there are still hard-core blue dogs out there, just got to find them somehow.....sarah palin in stompy boots and a short skirt is a great lure i think

Posted by: Lady in Black at September 06, 2010 07:38 PM (M6enm)

This is the best alternative I've heard so far.  Though it would be my preference to do both.  Expose, then burn.

Nah, Exposing it gets you a death sentence.  See Wilders, Geert.  We're just gonna have to do and act like they tell us too.

oh, i would also make october "beat a yankees fan with a stick" month

Suck my balls ya' Cubbie, Mr. President, Sir.

Oh my. This could use its own post.

'Sipping on a Slurpee'. You can skip to about 1:30 in. He's *still* talking about the goddamn car in a ditch-with a twist.

349  and October would be...where are the cubs month!

guess i'm going have to make some camps for the funny guys too

and October would be...where are the cubs month!

Posted by: robtr at September 06, 2010 08:08 PM (fwSHf) .........

dont count out the Braves yet........  its Bobbys last year, we might do it for him........

359  holy shit

idiot re-enforcements!!!

Posted by: Jimmy Joe at September 06, 2010 08:11 PM (vUdSP)

What's it like to live life without ever having a coherent thought?  Does it hurt?  You poor, suffering bastard.

Posted by: navycopjoe at September 06, 2010 08:16 PM (gg4j2)

A brother and sister.

Posted by: george noory at September 06, 2010 07:43 PM (S5YRY)

You guys aren't putting that shit on me.

So if a small group of jackasses burn a Koran they will just go ahead and blame all nonbelievers?

Yes. 

You infidels burn the Koran and we are going to get mad. Really mad. And you know what happens when we get really mad? We call kid funkadelic and Jimmy Joe, that's what. Guess that will show you.

Silence!

I keel you!

Petraeus said that burning Korans, “is precisely the kind of action the Taliban uses“. This is a lie about and an obscene smear against his fellow Americans. It’s basically a blood libel. It is also idiotic. Petraues sounds much worse than even Obama did when he attacked Arizonians.

Petraues is trying to shut civilians up even though he took an oath to the U.S. Constitution, not the Koran.

Posted by: KidFunkaDickless at September 06, 2010 08:17 PM (8Sj2b) .........

No........  We are a bunch of people who work, pay or taxes, and yes we do love our country and will fight for it......... dont come into a place like this insulting us for no reason.

we are not raciest even if we might make a little joke that some people might take that way.

BUT when it comes to people like you, you should think........  i just came to the Ace Of Spades HQ and spit at all of them.............. They said Fuck You to me......... what the hell did you think would happen?

Jimmy Joe, I will never get over the embarrassment of belonging to the same species as you. You are a monster, an ogre, a malformity. I barf at the very thought of you. You have all the appeal of a paper cut. Lepers avoid you. You are vile, worthless, less than nothing. You are a weed, a fungus, the dregs of this earth. And did I mention you smell?

If you aren't an idiot, you made a world-class effort at simulating one. Try to edit your writing of unnecessary material before attempting to impress us with your insight. The evidence that you are a nincompoop will still be available to readers, but they will be able to access it more rapidly.

Posted by: Pelayo at September 06, 2010 08:25 PM (QLmzi)

Read #394.  They'll argue whatever is most convenient.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 06, 2010 08:33 PM (3wPsb)

So, in my question in #337, you're check marking Petraeus?

I oppose the Koran-burning for a couple reasons. First, it ain't going to make Americans safer. And I'm not talking about pissing off the Taliban. I'm talking about thus-far non-militant Muslims in the Western world. I'd much rather they believe they have more in common with us than with radical Muslims overseas. So things that would push their young, unemployed males into the "kill Americans" camp seem like a stupid idea.

Gabriel Malor

OK, don't flame at me Gabe cuz I ain't flaming you. 

I just find your arguements unpersuasive.

Look, if a bunch of homosexuals have a gay pride parade, and one of them has a poster saying "Jesus is love" with a picture of Jesus french kissing some guy, that may piss of some young, unemployed Christian male at the scene.

But if that guy then goes and blows up a gay bar during happy hour because he took offense at that poster, well...

I'd say that guy wasn't pushed into violent homophobia.  I'd say he was pretty much there already and was just waiting for something to give him an excuse.

Same with your hypothetical young unemployed Muslim males.  If this "pushes" them into killing Americans, I'd say they were already lost to the west well before this.

Petraeus said that burning Korans, “is precisely the kind of action the Taliban uses“. This is a lie about and an obscene smear against his fellow Americans. It’s basically a blood libel. It is also idiotic. Petraues sounds much worse than even Obama did when he attacked Arizonians.

Posted by: FeralCat at September 06, 2010 08:25 PM (l04u3)

Exactly. Free speech or not, publically sucking up to the enemy while shitting on your countrymen and allies is pretty damn vile. In this respect, this post is worse than Purple Avenger's post about the need to forget about the Armenian Genocide in order to appease Turkey's hurt feelings. 

In that thou lovest them that hate thee, and hatest them that love thee.

Posted by: specious at September 06, 2010 08:33 PM (y9KwM)

I think burning this book is a stupid thing but could you explain to me on your planet when the Taliban is going to say "hey you know what, that tiny church in florida didn't burn the Koran so we have decided to stop killing americans"

Posted by: AmishDude at September 06, 2010 07:57 PM (3wPsb)

Fascinating.  The people who make this argument are forwarding the narrative that something is fundamentally wrong with Islam.  Do things to Muslims that people of other faiths don't even notice when done to them, and the Muslims go apeshit and get violent.  The extremist Muslims, and the "moderate, peaceful" Muslims too.

The message sounds like "Treat the Muslims special, or there'll be hell to pay."

Fuck that.

Posted by: KidFunkaDickless at September 06, 2010 08:33 PM (8Sj2b) .............

i have lived on lakes and rivers in my front yard for the last 40 years.... you might want to rethink that.....

Posted by: Dr Spank at September 06, 2010 06:43 PM (xtAfO)

The menfolk are here.  (I'm sure Blackjack Pershing sincerely regrets his actions in controlling the muzzy problems he had with them taking potshots at his soldiers and wishes he could've just led a Koran-study group instead.  Just think how much better off we'd be!)

You know, there is a way to solve this entire problem Islam has with western civilization. We simply submit to Islam or pay the dhimmi tax and agree to live under Sharia law.

There, see how easy this is? Why all the fuss? No more endless war, no more suicide bombings, it's all good. BTW, this is all Bush's fault.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at September 06, 2010 08:37 PM (1TvCg)

Are you serious? You're saying that Islam is so fucked up that unless the rest of us bow to whatever their belief or superstition of the day is they are going to turn violent.

I've got news for you, we will never be able to live up to that unless we confront it and tell them we really don't give a fuck if they don't like our 1rst amendment and want to riot in your own streets.

Posted by: Gabriel Malorat September 06, 2010 08:42 PM (1TvCg)

Too high of a price to pay for some margins.

Posted by: Reactionary at September 06, 2010 07:04 PM (4nbyM)

Preach it!  Geert Wilders' study of the muzzy "holy book finds it to be 60% killing the infidel/converting non-believers and other acts of violence and submission.  Islam is not a religion anymore than I say a can of paint is a religion.  It's a political ideology masquerading as a religion.

Posted by: jmflynny at September 06, 2010 08:58 PM (WrNqq)

Patton would just kill more germans, Tommy Franks would have passed it on to Rumsfeld and let him comment  on it.

Posted by: Editor at September 06, 2010 08:05 PM (YX6i/)

I don't think it should get to the jury.  Petraeus should settle.

Posted by: Editor's Wife at September 06, 2010 08:58 PM (uCjoj)

I never had chance.  I was Daniel, and it was the lions den, but God was not with me.

This is adderssed to amishdude, who mentioned that if it was an english translation of the Koran, it didn't count.

Speaking for myself, I've seen a couple of translations.  They had english on one page, and arabic on the other.

I think I only saw one version that was english only.

I'm guessing the english/arabic versions count as authentic Korans.  In the Muslim's mind.

For what it's worth, I don't buy the whole "unless you read it in the original arabic, you don't understand it."  Usually that seems to be a dishonest debate technique used to discredit someone who is making an uncomfortable point.

For example, if I quote an english version of a Koranic verse that praises Mohammed and Allah, I doubt some Islamic scholar is going to take me to task.  HOWEVER, when you quote some english version of a Koranic verse that is embarrassing, all of a sudden the importance of arabic version becomes critical.

“We’re sweating and these guys were watching us and sipping on a Slurpee.”

-Barack Islam Obama, 9/6/2010

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at September 06, 2010 09:00 PM (1TvCg)

Sure, what other amendments could we choose not to exercise in the name of non violent Muslims on the margin?

Posted by: AmishDude at September 06, 2010 09:06 PM (3wPsb)

Blackmail?  Fuggedaboutit.  Protection.  We provide protection.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at September 06, 2010 09:00 PM (1TvCg)

Hey, asshole, it's even more plausible that "non-violent" muslims stay "non-violent" if we enstablish a national "Kiss-a-Koran" day on 9/11. Won't you do that to save troops from being killed by our evil enemy the radicalization?

If you don't kiss a Koran you have soldiers' blood on your hands. And you're just like Al Qaeda.

Posted by: Gabriel Malorat September 06, 2010 09:00 PM (1TvCg)

Yes.

I mentioned in an earlier comment the phrase "I may disagree with what you are saying, but I'll fight to the death your right to say it."

Yeah, I'm not risking death at this moment, but neither is anyone else in this thread.  We're not at that point yet.

But let me ask you this:  Is the American gay community staying in the closet "too high of a price to pay" to keep some non-violent Christians on the margin from deciding to turn violent?

I'd say yes it is.

Speaking for myself, I've seen a couple of translations.  They had english on one page, and arabic on the other.

I think I only saw one version that was english only.

I'm guessing the english/arabic versions count as authentic Korans.  In the Muslim's mind.

For what it's worth, I don't buy the whole "unless you read it in the original arabic, you don't understand it."  Usually that seems to be a dishonest debate technique used to discredit someone who is making an uncomfortable point.

It is mostly a dishonest debate technique, but there is a theological point that the words of the prophet cannot be translated, are directly from Allah, are perfect Arabic, etc., etc.

In reality, burning the Koran is an insult.  And if you understand the Muslim mind, insulting Islam or an individual Muslim is the worst crime imaginable.

Wait wait. “Some powerful interests who had been dominating the agenda in Washington for a very long time and they’re not always happy with me."

WTF???

They're not always happy? So it's not the vast right wing conspiracy because it's never happy with him.

Who could it be???

You got healthcare passed and Tarp, so if they are dominating the agenda then they would have been onboard with that. So, who is it?

Clintons?

Blackmail?  Fuggedaboutit.  Protection.  We provide protection.

Posted by: Taliban at September 06, 2010 09:08 PM (YX6i/)

Hey!  We're workin' this side of the street.

Editor.......... i was at work last night and couldnt comment..........  but i feel your pain man.........   heres what i did about "someone in the room"................

flip her over and do her from behind....  believe it or not the "person" in the room makes it tighter for awhile, kinda like a full room..........   hell it seemed like it to me anyway.

It is mostly a dishonest debate technique, but there is a theological point that the words of the prophet cannot be translated, are directly from Allah, are perfect Arabic, etc., etc.

In reality, burning the Koran is an insult.  And if you understand the Muslim mind, insulting Islam or an individual Muslim is the worst crime imaginable.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 06, 2010 09:12 PM (3wPsb)

Oh yeah, I agree and undertand both of your two paragraphs.

Posted by: steevy at September 06, 2010 08:46 PM (9zCwm)

This is the simplest solution, and yet it is never seriously suggested.

Sure, what other amendments could we choose not to exercise in the name of non violent Muslims on the margin?

Posted by: robtr at September 06, 2010 09:06 PM (fwSHf)

Not non-violent, exactly.  Quasi-violent.  Pregnant-with-violence.  Aching-for-an-excuse-to-fuck-up-some-Cross-worshippers.

Posted by: Y-not at September 06, 2010 09:18 PM (osFsP)

I didn't realize it was a military strategy-type decision. 

This is not in any way similar to "piss Christ".  There were no lives at risk over that. 

Posted by: Y-not at September 06, 2010 09:18 PM (osFsP)

Well, didn't Patrick Henry say "Give me liberty or give me death."?  I mean in his case, lives were at risk, but he and the others around him chose to risk their lives for liberty.  For a principle.

However, I don't really have any arguement with your first paragraph about Gen Patraeus.

Posted by: Purple Avengerat September 06, 2010 09:19 PM (8RwbD)

Yes, that is very, very true.

Posted by: Bartlett's Famous Quotations - Idiot Edition at September 06, 2010 09:13 PM (AnTyA)

To be fair, there are only one or two apocryphal sources for the story of Bibles serving as toilet paper during that siege.  But even if that part of the tale isn't completely verifiable, everything else that happened is bad enough:

The PA has shown contempt for certain Christian holy sites, and there has been significant desecration as well. For example, without prior consent of the church, Yasser Arafat decided to turn the Greek Orthodox monastery near the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem into his domicile during his visits to the city.²⁸ On July 5, 1997, the PLO seized Abraham's Oak Russian Holy Trinity Monastery in Hebron, violently evicting monks and nuns.²⁹

After the outbreak of Palestinian violence in September 2000, the PA's Tanzim militia chose the Christian town of Beit Jala to shoot at Jerusalem over other locations from which they could have similarly targeted communities built on land captured in 1967. They specifically positioned themselves in or near Christian homes, hotels, churches (e.g., St. Nicholas), and the Greek Orthodox club, knowing that a slight deviation in Israeli return fire would harm Christian institutions or homes.³⁰

At one point, Andreas Reinecke, head of the German Liaison office to the PA, protested:

I would like to draw your attention in this letter to a number of incidents which occurred at "Talitakoumi" school in Beit Jala...which is funded mainly by the Protestant Church in Berlin.
    Over the last few days the school staff noticed attempts on the part of several armed Palestinians to use the school premises and some of its gardens for their activities. If they succeed in doing this, an Israeli reaction will be inevitable. This will have a negative impact on the continuation of the functioning of the school, in which no less than 1,000 [Christian] Palestinians study....You cannot imagine the kind of upheaval which will be provoked among the supporters of this school [in Germany] should they discover that the school premises are used as a battle ground.³¹

The most glaring example of PA disregard for the holiness of Christian shrines, however, was the April 2002 takeover of the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem by PA forces and their taking over 40 Christian clergy and nuns as hostages. As confirmed by a senior Tanzim commander, Abdullah Abu-Hadid, "The idea was to enter the church in order to create international pressure on Israel....We knew beforehand that there was two years' worth of food for 50 monks. Oil, beans, rice, olives. Good bathrooms and the largest wells in old Bethlehem. You didn't need electricity because there were candles. In the yard they planted vegetables. Everything was there."³²

On April 2, 2002, as Israel implemented its Defensive Shield operation to combat the Palestinian terrorist infrastructure, in Bethlehem "a number of terrorists took over St. Mary's Church grounds and...held the priest and a number of nuns there against their will. The terrorists used the Church as a firing position, from which they shot at IDF soldiers in the area. The soldiers did not return fire toward the church when fired upon [emphasis added]. An IDF force, under the command of the Bethlehem area regional commander, entered the Church grounds today without battle, in coordination with its leaders, and evacuated the priest and nuns."³³

That same day, "More than 100 Palestinian gunmen...[including] soldiers and policemen, entered the Church of the Nativity on Tuesday, as Israeli troops swept into Bethlehem in an attempt to quell violence by Palestinian suicide bombers and militias."³⁴ The actual number of terrorists was between 150 and 180, among them prominent members of the Fatah Tanzim. As the New York Times put it, "Palestinian gunmen have frequently used the area around the church as a refuge, with the expectation that Israel would try to avoid fighting near the shrine" [emphasis added].³⁵

And in fact this was the case. The commander of the Israeli forces in the area asserted that the IDF would not break into the church itself and would not harm this site holy to Christianity. Israel also deployed more mature and more reserved reserve-duty soldiers in this sensitive situation that militarily called for more agile, standing-army soldiers.³⁶

On the other hand, the Palestinians did not treat it the same way. Not only did they take their weapons with them into the Church of the Nativity and fire, on occasion, from the church, but also reportedly booby-trapped the entrance to the church.³⁷

On April 7, "one of the few priests evacuated from the church told Israeli television yesterday that gunmen had shot their way in, and that the priests, monks and nuns were essentially hostages....The priest declined to call the clergy 'hostages,' but repeatedly said in fluent English: 'We have absolutely no choice. They have guns, we do not.'"³⁸

Christians clearly saw the takeover as a violation of the sanctity of the church. In an interview with CWNews, Archbishop Jean-Louis Tauran, the Vatican's Undersecretary of State and the top foreign-policy official, asserted that "The Palestinians have entered into bilateral agreements [with the Holy See] in which they undertake to maintain and respect the status quo regarding the Christian holy places and the rights of Christian communities. To explain the gravity of the current situation, let me begin with the fact that the occupation of the holy places by armed men is a violation of a long tradition of law that dates back to the Ottoman era. Never before have they been occupied - for such a lengthy time - by armed men."³⁹ On April 14, he reiterated his position in an interview on Vatican Radio.⁴⁰

On April 24, the Jerusalem Post reported on the damage that the PA forces were causing:

Three Armenian monks, who had been held hostage by the Palestinian gunmen inside Bethlehem's Church of the Nativity, managed to flee the church area via a side gate yesterday morning. They immediately thanked the soldiers for rescuing them.
    They told army officers the gunmen had stolen gold and other property, including crucifixes and prayer books, and had caused damage....
    One of the monks, Narkiss Korasian, later told reporters: "They stole everything, they opened the doors one by one and stole everything....They stole our prayer books and four crosses...they didn't leave anything. Thank you for your help, we will never forget it."
    Israeli officials said the monks said the gunmen had also begun beating and attacking clergymen.⁴¹

When the siege finally ended, the PA soldiers left the church in terrible condition:

The Palestinian gunmen holed up in the Church of the Nativity seized church stockpiles of food and "ate like greedy monsters" until the food ran out, while more than 150 civilians went hungry. They also guzzled beer, wine, and Johnnie Walker scotch that they found in priests' quarters, undeterred by the Islamic ban on drinking alcohol. The indulgence lasted for about two weeks into the 39-day siege, when the food and drink ran out, according to an account by four Greek Orthodox priests who were trapped inside for the entire ordeal....
    The Orthodox priests and a number of civilians have said the gunmen created a regime of fear.
    Even in the Roman Catholic areas of the complex there was evidence of disregard for religious norms. Catholic priests said that some Bibles were torn up for toilet paper, and many valuable sacramental objects were removed. "Palestinians took candelabra, icons and anything that looked like gold," said a Franciscan, the Rev. Nicholas Marquez from Mexico.⁴²

A problem that arose during the siege again shows Christian fear of Muslim domination. Two Palestinian gunmen in the church were killed, and the PA wanted to bury them in the basilica. "With two Muslim bodies inside the Church of the Nativity, Christianity could be facing an absolute disaster in Bethlehem," said Canon Andrew White, the special representative of the Archbishop of Canterbury in the Middle East. "It would be catastrophic if two Muslim martyrs were buried in the church. It could lead to a situation like that in Nazareth," he said.⁴³ Only after intensive mediation efforts were plans to bury the bodies inside abandoned.

Posted by: Y-not at September 06, 2010 09:18 PM (osFsP)

Hey, maybe this wouldn't have happened if he'd stick to being a general, and didn't act as if he's the fucking ACLU / State Department spokesman.

Personally, I decided Petraeus is a lousy human being after his vile anti-Israel statement to the Senate. Now I only decided Gabe is a lousy human being as well.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 06, 2010 09:19 PM (8RwbD)

Shouldn't we just pull out and leave then. If we're not fighting for our principles what the fuck our we doing there?

Amishdude, do you ever post actual posts, or are you just a commenter?

I know you've been around a long long year, and stolen many a commenters soul and faith.

What's the nature of your game?

Seriously, you've written some interesting shit in the comments and it'd be cool to read a post of yours.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 06, 2010 09:26 PM (8RwbD)

Said the guy who claims we should forget about the Armenian Holocaust in order to appease the Turks. Seems you never saw a Muslim thug unworthy of a thorough blowjob.

555 I have never heard such a strange comment from a President who was serious. Lyndon Jonson would have picked him up by the ears.

............

i hate to say it but i am over the 50 mark and have listened to all the them my whole life.....

to me there are no words for this guy......i have always had respect for our President no matter what side he was on..... but today i watched him a minute and damn.........i work with some mexicans that just got here that i like better than him.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at September 06, 2010 09:00 PM (1TvCg)

What is a "non-violent Muslim on the margin"?  Specifically, if you are postulating that there are American Muslims who only need a Koran-burning to push them over the edge into mass murder, wouldn't the more apt description be "ticking time-bombs of 'Sudden Jihadi Syndrome'"?

Yea, so?  Now if this church had some skin in the game, I'd be perfectly fine with it...say something along the lines of if some trooper(s) get whacked and its directly traceable to this, then their families get to burn your church down as a freebie.

Free speech, does NOT, and never has, implied freedom from consequences.

Posted by: Purple Avengerat September 06, 2010 09:26 PM (8RwbD)

I'd rather the Taliban fucker who wacked this trooper pay the ultimate price.  That's where responsibility lies.  So if that means the families get to push the button on the predator that launches the hellfire missile, I'm cool with that.

I don't have any idea behind the reasoning for the church to burn the Koran.

But, I will say this.   Has anyone thought that maybe the reason could be to show just how tolerant the Muslims are when it comes to their Holy Book?   I mean, I don't recall anyone in the US going apeshit crazy and threatening to kill them when we have to watch them burning the Bible, the American Flag, and our Presidents in effigy.

I hear all kinds of shit about how we should be tolerant of them for every freakin' thing they want to do, because, God forbid, we should upset them.   Well, sorry, but they piss me off, too, when they gather in the streets in Muslin hellholes and threaten us with beheadings and bombings.   Maybe they are the assholes that should learn a little tolerance.

Posted by: Y-not at September 06, 2010 09:18 PM (osFsP)

Why not?  Because Christians turn the other cheek when they're dissed, that's why.  If the Christians in this country wanted to act like Muslims and went about blowing stuff up and beheading opponents every time we felt offended, Piss Christ would have disappeared 10 minutes after it appeared, the building where it was displayed would have been knocked down, and the entire ACLU would have been ground up into compost.  In about a week.  The only reason lives are at risk now is because radical Muslims are homocidal assholes. 

Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 06, 2010 09:31 PM (8RwbD)

Really? I happened to have fought in one where the only thing keeping the North Vietnamese in the fight were the fucking hippies marching in the streets of Washington D. C. waving the North Vietnamese flag.

I guess the thing to do would have been to round them up and put them in camps until the war was over.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 06, 2010 09:29 PM (8RwbD)

Here's why -- watch this PSA made by American Muslims who swear they just want to live peaceful lives as good Americans.  Gabe seems to think that some of the people in this video would respond to a Koran-burning by becoming jihadist murderers.  Maybe it's worth a Solomonesque or Abrahamesque test of their faith in American freedoms and tolerance to see if they can accept the idea that being American -- Muslim, Christian, Jewish, whatever -- includes accepting the occasional crudeness and hurtfulness that are part of the operation of our basic freedoms.

Posted by: Salman Rushdie, Theo van Gogh and Kurt Westergaard at September 06, 2010 09:31 PM (3wPsb)

Shit, you don't have to burn a Koran to get beheaded by a Muslim fanatic.  Sometimes you just have to burn dinner.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 06, 2010 09:33 PM (8RwbD)

Don't play with me, asshole. You said so repeatedly. Fuck, you said it right now.

And how does being involved or not matters? You believe the Armenian Holocaust, the murder of 3 millions by Muslims, should be forgotten - because you really want to suck Ardogan's fat Islamist cock. 

And now you want to dictate other people what to do with books they've purchased, because "moderate" Muslims are ready to spring out and murder American soldiers unless their homo-erotic wishes of being cock-sucken by Purple Avenger are fulfilled.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 06, 2010 09:19 PM (8RwbD)

Let's talk about priciples when 'don't burn the Koran or else' becomes 'American women need to wear a burqa or else'.  And don't say it's different, because it isn't.  These idiots can pick any part of their culture and become hypersensitive because we don't respect it or follow it and drop an 'or else' on us.  What then?  Worry that we're handing them a propaganda tool and do as they wish?  Fuck them.  Draw the line in the sand now, and don't budge.  This is America, we all put up with a lot of crap we don't like, and that's how it is.  That's part of what being free is all about.  Now, they were killing American troops long before this Florida church nonsense, so to say that lives will be at risk right NOW because of this controversy is silly.  If this church just stuck to Sunday mass and never brought up Koran burning, the Taliban would still be recruiting locals to fight The Great Satan.  Giving in to them on this issue will result in zero American lives being saved.   

Amishdude, do you ever post actual posts, or are you just a commenter?

Oh, I'm not "just" a commenter.

I know you've been around a long long year, and stolen many a commenters soul and faith. What's the nature of your game?

I have a short attention span and enjoy the occasional snark.

Seriously, you've written some interesting shit in the comments and it'd be cool to read a post of yours.

You're kind, Ed, but I'm very busy and I go to this blog because I enjoy the writers here.  If I were to go to write my own blog posts, I'd be much less interested in it.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 06, 2010 09:43 PM (8RwbD)

Wow.  So who burned the Korans that led to the murders of these doctors in Afghanistan?

A propaganda coup?  As others have pointed out, anything -- ANYTHING -- people in the West do is twisted into a propaganda coup for Al Qaeda.  If the church now calls off its event, it won't be lauded in the Muslim world as having shown sensitivity to Islam -- instead, the Islamicists will declare a great victory in having forced the West to back down once again with their awesome and invincible jihadiness.

Of course they do.  They also get to live (or die) with the consequences whatever they may be.  As I said, freedom of speech never implied freedom from consequences.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 06, 2010 09:37 PM (8RwbD)

Purple Avenger, I can't believe you mean that.  Yeah, free speech can have some consequnces.  Other people might argue or debate with you.  You can get fired or not hired.

But killed?  Since when did the chance of getting killed for saying something offensive become acceptable?  I thought that was unacceptable and a criminal violation?

Yeah, you can get killed doing something like registering people to vote, or publishing a book, but I don't think we agree that that is cool or acceptable.

If you kill someone for publishing an offensive book, you are the scumbag, not the guy who published the book.

I mean, ace has published some risque stuff.  NO ONE has the right to hurt or kill him for this.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 06, 2010 09:52 PM (8RwbD)

Actually, you wrote it in a post dedicated solely to sucking up to Turkey and shitting on the Armenians. Somewhat of a pattern, ain't it?

Maybe your next post should be a list of all things we should and shouldn't do as your Islamist mass murderering masters command. Just an idea.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at September 06, 2010 09:51 PM (1TvCg)

Speaking of strawmen, The strawman claim is something you resort to when you can't answer the question. I already said it's a dumb idea to burn their books.

I am also saying it's a dumb idea to cave to them.

You keep claiming that we got something out of draw Mohammad day. Sorry but what did we get? I don't know of any network or publication that showed the cartoons.

There have been death threats and attacks on anyone who would dare to including comedy central, who didn't show them.

The founder of draw Mohammed day caved because she was afraid.

Like I said before, it's just easier to attack the white christians.

Bout what i'd expect.

Upsetting the mohammedans is the entire fucking point! They should be mocked, insulted, ridiculed, made the butt of jokes, and generally pissed on until they get it through their fucking heads that they do not get any special consideration.

If they resist through violence, then that should beget greater violence toward them until they get the fucking point that their religion is just another among many, and does not get any special privledges. Convincing them that the rest of us have just as much right to follow our own beliefs as they do is the benefit.

Caldwell said American troops "are over here to defend the rights of American citizens, and we're not debating the First Amendment rights that people have." But he added, "What I will tell you is that their very actions will in fact jeopardize the safety of the young men and women who are serving in uniform over here and also undermine the very mission that we're trying to accomplish."

Iran is paying the Taliban $1,000 for each U.S. soldier killed and $6,000 for every U.S. military vehicle destroyed.  And, the bounties have nothing to do with some obscure church buring Qurans.  Is Iran trying to undermine the very mission that you're trying to accomplish?  If so, what's the plan for dealing with them?  Thanks... 

Posted by: Steph at September 06, 2010 10:14 PM (nbzzk)

That would be Gabe, take it away Gabe. Enlighten us.

It makes sense since you all started this endless war in the first place
Not everyone spends their life ragging on non-whites and non-Christians.  We always  thought your party governs like the Taliban  anyway. So before you put any more of our troops in danger or the rest of out populace, we ask that pack up your hate and go join the other fanatics.
You Dicks.
Only one thing wrong with America today - Republicans.

Posted by: Jimmy Joe at September 06, 2010 10:04 PM (vUdSP)

Nice try at rewriting history.  Afghanistan was the war that everyone supported.  That country was run by the Taliban, which protected OBL and AQ.  There was bipartisan support for this war in Congress and in America and, in Bush's worst days as President, he was getting ragged on over Iraq, not Afghanistan.  If you're gonna be a troll, please get the basics right. 

Oh, and the 'your party governs like the Taliban' is the theme of the new book written by Kos.  Now we know where you hang out and get your ideas.  Lame.

"Usually, its haste and wishful thinking though ;->"

and Val-U-Rite, don't forget the Val-U-Rite.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at September 06, 2010 10:15 PM (1TvCg)

But...but...you claimed they are worse as bad as Al Qaeda and they will get American troops killed! If what you claim is true, they should be arrested on incitement and terrorism charges. Once you throw out an accusation like "you will get troops killed" it stops being a right vs wrong academic issue and becomes something very real. Too bad you don't have the balls to stand behind your big statements.

Posted by: pat at September 06, 2010 10:25 PM (Hk8Ye)

Heh.

That is both funny as hell, and also profound.  I have no idea if deleting a copy of the Koran would be haram or not.

Wow...

Can we get a ruling here?  ;-)

Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 06, 2010 10:22 PM (8RwbD)

So let me understand, drawing Mohammad cartoons which caused riots, death threats and attempted murders didn't put the troops in danger from Muslims and Patreaus thought it wasn't worth mentioning.

Burning their book is something completely different though.

The PC crowd makes my head spin. Is there a handbook on Muslim outrage we could get that shows the point where living by our constitution endagers lives of our troops?

Posted by: Jimmy Joe at September 06, 2010 10:31 PM (vUdSP)

LOL.  And the troops won't be in danger if the Quran burning doesn't happen.  OK.  Thanks for playing...

Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 06, 2010 10:17 PM (8RwbD)

Nope, Armenian Holocaust is not a "dispute", it is a vile act of savage butchering of 3 million by your Islamist pals. And it is important to acknowledge it, since the Turks are pushing hard to make it disappear down the memory drain.

Also, you thorougly contradict yourself. Can't claim "it's not of our damn business" and then claim it's all about maintaining the relations with the Turks who may throw a tamper tantrum if you dare speak of their past evil. It's eather paleoconesque blissful neutrality or appeasement of an "ally".

Posted by: pat at September 06, 2010 10:25 PM (Hk8Ye)

Don't worry.

An internet copy of the Koran is a virus.

It begins as a small, unnoticed part of your system.  It takes over more and more memory and once it has taken over a sector of your hard drive, the iKoran will destroy it rather than give it back. 

It demands that your CPU run programs that it isn't even using and that putting anything in the recycle bin is a desecration of the sacred memory.

It downgrades your system until you're stuck running MS-DOS 5.0 and once it has done all that, the iKoran still refuses to be compatible with any other program.

Posted by: Jimmy Joe at September 06, 2010 10:31 PM (vUdSP)

Having been a troop Jimmy Joe, I don't give a fuck what you resent or don't resent. I saw men killed and wounded because of you leftist fuckers and the pussies you vote for.

You can kiss my leathery ass.

Posted by: Jimmy Joe at September 06, 2010 10:39 PM (vUdSP)

Nice.  We're finally on the same page.  I have no idea why you bother, either.  You should have figured out about 20 posts ago that no one takes you seriously...

Posted by: Purple Avengerat September 06, 2010 09:55 PM (8RwbD)

That's right, you never used the word "acceptable."  But earlier you did say

Yea, so?  Now if this church had some skin in the game, I'd be perfectly fine with it...say something along the lines of if some trooper(s) get whacked and its directly traceable to this, then their families get to burn your church down as a freebie.

Free speech, does NOT, and never has, implied freedom from consequences.

Posted by: Purple Avengerat September 06, 2010 09:26 PM (8RwbD)

I don't think is is either "acceptable" or "perfectly fine" for that Church to get burned down for burning a Koran if some Taliban whacks a U.S. trooper because of it.

Burning a book does not mean someone gets to kill you or burn your place down.

As I said earlier, if some Taliban whacks some U.S. trooper because of this, I hope he gets taken out by a hellfire missile.  And if the parents of that troop are the one who push the button, I'm fine with that too.

But the family burning down the Chruch?  No way.

Acceptable consequences for this Church burning the Koran include things like protestors, letter writting campaigns, people quitting their memberships, debates, etc. etc. etc.

But burning it?  Never.

For what it's worth, I don't think Purple Avenger really thinks it would be cool for the church to be burned down as we talked about.  I think he just wrote something quickly that might not have come out quite right.

So I don't wanna just bore down on that just to be dickish.

MohammadÂ’s followers, stay away from me
MohammadÂ’s followers, let me be
DonÂ’t go bringing your Shariah through my countyÂ’s open door
I donÂ’t want to see your evil faces no more
I got more productive things to do
Than spend my blood and treasure trying to civilize you
Now Muslims, stay away
Muslims, listen what I say

MohammadÂ’s followers, get away from me
MohammadÂ’s followers, let me be
DonÂ’t come migrating through my countyÂ’s open door
I donÂ’t want to see your Burkas and Mosques and Korans no more
If pedophile MohammadÂ’s evil words for you can hypnotize
Then go gouge out your own eyes
Now Muslims, stay away
Muslims, listen what I say

MohammadÂ’s followers, I said get away
MohammadÂ’s followers, listen what I say
DonÂ’t knock those speaking the truth to the floor
I donÂ’t want to see your evil faces no more
I donÂ’t need your conquest dreams
I donÂ’t need your shariah schemes
If pedophile MohammadÂ’s evil words for you can hypnotize
Then go gouge out your own eyes

Now Muslims, get away
Muslims, listen what I say
Muslims, stay away from me
Muslims, let me be
I gotta go
I gotta getta away
Think I gotta go
Trying to civilize you would just be going way astray
IÂ’m gonna leave you Islamic world
Bye bye, bye bye

Fucking New York, it's dying asshole. The population is leaving. Every time you turn around the rest of us have to bail our your corrupt banks, government or health care.

New York was almost saved by a republican governor and mayor but it's going to hell in a bucket again and nobody really gives a fuck.

Posted by: torabora at September 06, 2010 10:57 PM (X8kwy)

No.  Save the Bacon!  Would pigs blood work well as a substitute?  The mideast would look like the prom scene in Carrie.  Minus John travolta.

In his book The Gathering Storm Winston Churchill equated HitlerÂ’s Mein Kampf and MohammadÂ’s Koran.

Do you think Winston Churchill was an inhumane, vile cesspool of a man?

Posted by: Jimmy Joe at September 06, 2010 10:39 PM (vUdSP)

Dicks is probably the one thing you actually know something about.

Do you think Winston Churchill was an inhumane, vile cesspool of a man?

Posted by: FeralCat at September 06, 2010 11:03 PM (jgoiN)

Yes.  That's why I shipped his bust back to England.

I'd lose no sleep over the joint burning down.  As you sow, so shall ye reap.

Posted by: Purple Avengerat September 06, 2010 10:52 PM (8RwbD)

OK brother, I hear you.  But I don't think there is any way we can reconcille our different positions.

Again, I ain't flaming you.  You said your piece and that's cool.

Still, what if it happened to ace?  What if some libtard or global warming nut or some islamo-bomber took out ace?  Yeah, he's our moron brother and commander in chief and I'd hate for that to happen.

But he's written some harsh shit too.  Has he burned a Koran?  No, but he has flamed some people too, and pretty hard.

I can't believe that he deserves any physical retailiation for any of his posts, offensive as any of them may be.

Posted by: chaussure requinat September 06, 2010 11:07 PM (0XT4m)

Can't we all agree that this guy is the real douche?  If indeed that is his name...

Posted by: chaussure requinat September 06, 2010 11:07 PM (0XT4m)

If a Koran get's burned, can we blame it on this guy?

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2010 11:12 PM (kq1lG)

Hey, putting aside Jimmy Joe's idiocy for a moment, NYC is a great place to visit.  And, if you have mega bucks, it can be a great place to live.  Just because he was an arrogant jerkoff when talking about NYC vs. Ohio doesn't mean that such a great place deserves a pile-on.  He's not representative of NYC.  Not at all. 

It won't happen here.  There's some statistical analysis that's been done on London districts and incidents with muslims.  A particular district needs to be around 10% muslim before they'll feel confident enough to start causing generalized trouble.

The US has been a lot smarter about its muslim population that europe has.  Ghettoizing them was precisely the wrong thing to do as it pushed the relative concentrations into the red zone much faster.

Posted by: Purple Avengerat September 06, 2010 11:13 PM (8RwbD)

I've read that too.  I think it's probably true, and I think it's incredibly depressing and alarming.

Hey, putting aside Jimmy Joe's idiocy for a moment, NYC is a great place to visit.  And, if you have mega bucks, it can be a great place to live.  Just because he was an arrogant jerkoff when talking about NYC vs. Ohio doesn't mean that such a great place deserves a pile-on.  He's not representative of NYC.  Not at all. 

Posted by: Prezident B. Obama at September 06, 2010 11:16 PM (bjCWK)

Arghh!  Didn't turn off the sock puppet.  My bad...

Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 06, 2010 11:18 PM (8RwbD)

Are you sure it's just for shits and giggles?  They're burning the Quran because they consider Islam the religion of the devil.  That sounds more serious than just some goofy prank.  They really believe in what they're doing.  I'm not saying that's grounds for supporting them, but this is more than a potential teenage giggling circle jerk...

Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 06, 2010 11:13 PM (8RwbD)

You know what's funny as hell?  Jews have been ghettoized for well over a millennium in every corner of the globe, including the United States, and yet it's always been the JEWS, not the surrounding communities, that have suffered ethnic and religious massacres.  We must be doing something wrong.

thats a probability elevated to a certainty, dont you watch the Discovery Channel?

Posted by: meleager at September 06, 2010 11:32 PM (gclWR)

Er, not anymore.

If burning the koran ist Verboten, can we stone it? There are many passages in the koran that much approve of stoning. LetÂ’s compromise and do that.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 06, 2010 11:22 PM (8RwbD)

I wonder what happens in the not-too-distant and highly possible future when Pakistan's government falls to the Islamicists.  Do you suppose that China will find it useful to offer them protection against a potential nuclear strike from India or the USA, in return (say) for a guaranteed end to the Uighur uprising in China's western provinces?

How about the not-at-all-distant and probable future in which Iran announces it has nuclear weapons?  Do you think it might well use the threat of a nuclear strike not against well-armed Israel but rather against the weak Gulf Arab states?  Would those countries be able to stand up to Iran -- would they have complete and unshakable confidence that President Obama would protect them from even one Iranian missile getting through to their territory, and if not, would they believe in Obama's promise of retaliation to avenge their people's megadeaths, or even care?  Or would they hedge their bets and let Iran dictate to them their oil production quotas, and force the Western world into a posture of submission?  And would Russia not perhaps choose to offer Iran a guarantee of protection in return (say) for an end to the Islamic rebellion in its southern provinces?

In either scenario -- a Taliban bomb in Pakistan or a Shi'ite bomb in Iran -- Islamic fanaticism would gain a powerful impetus.  And either of them is far likelier than an asteroid strike.

Thousands of words here, but it all comes down to this. 

Americans live by the rule of law.

Some here are willing to live under the rule of threat instead.

Not I.

If the church members don't break a law, I have no interest or comment regarding how they choose to remember 9/11/2001.  

Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 06, 2010 11:42 PM (8RwbD)

Horseshit.

The Old Testament is a political and social blueprint as well as a chronicle of the expansion of the Jewish empire to its height under Solomon.  The difference is that the seat of the Jewish empire, Jerusalem, was overrun several times by invaders, and Jews had to learn how to adapt their belief system to continue and survive under various occupiers and imperial powers.  And then Jews learned how to adapt and survive in strange lands under all forms of non-Judaic governments.

In other words, Jews learned to add humility their religio-politico-social blueprint.  Rather than insist that they could never humble themselves under another people's rule, they learned how to achieve a degree of autonomy in the Jewish community under the thumb of the national ruler.

Next you're going to tell me that the Catholic Church has always been a religion and not an encompassing societal blueprint with aggressively expansionist tendencies.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 06, 2010 11:56 PM (8RwbD)

And you know this how?  The same way the CIA in 2006 knew that Iran gave up its nuclear program back in 2003?

Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 06, 2010 11:56 PM (8RwbD) 

uh, come again?    Can you guarantee that?