1
and?

2 Now that the election is long over, am I free to say that I'm sick of hearing about this dimwitted, trend-jumping fame whore?

3 Running for U.S. Senate, losing and ending up with $1 million is a good gig if you can get it.

She could just pocket the entire amount if she wanted to. 

That's what I'd do.  But I have no shame.

4 She'll definitely be back.

5

Blame the Game, not the Playah...

The whole system is set up so Politicians can cash out.  Look at the amount of Politicians who do get elected, when poor, then after a few years in office are millionaires? 

When you look at the rates of return they seem to manage off of investments? (way WAY higher than the National Average)...

And when you realize that they can pay themselves a salary, or their family members a salary from their Legal Bribe funds (called their campagin funds)?

Whole system is corrupt... but thats what happens when the only people who set up, and enforce, those rules, are the politicians who then make money off of them.

6 I watched all of her debates. She was well spoken, knew the issues and would have served well, IMHO. Doofus who won just kept sucking up to the reporters who were moderating the debate, and acting as if O'Donnell was a raving schizophrenic on a street corner. He did not comport himself well, nor display an understanding of the issues. Feminists, of whom I am not one, should have been picketing every one of his campaign appearances. There was a lot of talk about her financial situation during the campaign, about whether we could trust someone who had financial difficulties. But I say The Marxist was a trust fund baby, so never had to learn to manage money, since he has a money pump that keeps flowing regardless of what he does. Which case is more "normal"? I hope she runs again.

7 Saw the $6.1 million spending figure over the weekend ... it boggles the mind.

8 ace goes there, film at 11

9 I hope she runs again.

------------

Us, too.

10 OTOH, if she blows $924K in two years and again has financial difficulty, I"d say that she is not qualified to be dogcatcher.

11

Is there a way to find out how much Arlen Specter has left in his campaign coffers? He's never going to run for office  again so I suggest any leftover funds should be confiscated and used to pay down the federal debt IMHO.

 

12 Does it have to be used for a Senate race or for any campaign she does for public office?

If she never runs and doesn't need to spend it on legal challenges  or other fees pertaining to this campaign, what happens to the money? 

13

I hope she runs again.

I hope she shaves her muff.

14 Meg Whitman spent $163 million and lost by 10 points.

Carly Fiorina spent $16 million and lost by 10 points.

Linda McMahon spent over $7 million and lost by 10 points.

I'm willing to agree O'Donnell was a lousy candidate, so long as we all agree that these losers were bad too.

15 She was advised to keep money on hand in case of things like recounts and other filings for legal issues. Y'know, the stuff that campaigns are supposed to do.

16 Okay, I guess I'll get some work done in order to avoid the scab picking.

17 >If she never runs and doesn't need to spend it on legal challenges  or other fees pertaining to this campaign, what happens to the money?


Brooms ain't cheap sista.

18

Christine O'Donnel in:

Cauldron's Eleven

19 But I can't really call this evidence for my suspicions as the case is overdetermined. That's a very useful word I got from Kaus ...

Good choice of a word: overdetermined. It appeals to math geeks like me ( ... a system of linear equations is considered overdetermined if there are more equations than unknowns ... ) and is an apt description of these circumstances.

20 A consequence of this is that if she does run again, she will probably find it harder to raise money. Then again, maybe there are a lot of people who like throwing money down a rat hole.

21 Does it have to be used for a Senate race or for any campaign she does for public office? If she never runs and doesn't need to spend it on legal challenges or other fees pertaining to this campaign, what happens to the money? Laws vary from state to state, I believe, and really favor the candidates. As of about 1980, congress critters could take it when they retire. I think that was outlawed around 1982. If she maintains a committee, she can probably throw parties with this money, whether she actually runs or not. Caution: Don't take this as campaign or legal advise.

22 This should be fun.

23

but then, there was really no reason to spend that last million.

Kinda undercuts her argument that others should have spent more money on her.

24 She pocketed a Million Dollars ha? But she still doesn't give hand jobs? Shitty date

25 I read in passing that she set up a PAC with the remaining funds.. (can't remember where or I would try to link it... But mostly trying to COD off the brain too) Can that be done instead of this: If she never runs and doesn't need to spend it on legal challenges or other fees pertaining to this campaign, what happens to the money? Posted by: Y-not at December 06, 2010 03:04 PM (IDL9N)

26

Now that the election is long over, am I free to say that I'm sick of hearing about this dimwitted, trend-jumping fame whore?

First Amendment, baby.

27

Now we're doing our own "evil genius" or "incompetent boob" contradictions?

Really?

Please, can we just let this one go the way of the Commodore 64?

28 ugh, not this schitt again. do we have to?

29

 can we just let this one go the way of the Commodore 64?

I miss Zork II.

30 Why shouldn't Ms. O'Donnell return this money to the people who sent it to her in good faith? They're supposed to front her a salary until the next election?

31 She was advised to keep money on hand in case of things like recounts and other filings for legal issues. Y'know, the stuff that campaigns are supposed to do. Renee Ellmers needed to a last minute fund raise for because Bob "The Streetside Strangle" Etheridge was able to call in a recount (the final tally was close enough where he was within the law by doing so).. It was needed and Ellmers is now Representative Elect Ellmers.

32 Every time I see an O'Donnell post, I think Ace needs something to keep us busy while he takes a nap.

33 >>>If she never runs and doesn't need to spend it on legal challenges or other fees pertaining to this campaign, what happens to the money? It can be returned to donors or donated to other campaigns she supports. Let me say I think that will not happen. I think she will enter some race down the line and, as the rules permit, pay herself a supportive salary during the period of her candidacy.

34 Or maybe not.

35 They're supposed to front her a salary until the next election?

Posted by: JEA at December 06, 2010 03:13 PM (lP8dE)

Story of my life, homes!

36 >>>Every time I see an O'Donnell post, I think Ace needs something to keep us busy while he takes a nap. My conclusion here though is unlikely to spur, in and of itself, fights, since it's a shrug. I think as a general matter people are over the O'Donnell fighting. I myself just don't have too much of it in me anymore. I notice most people are over it. It has to be pointed out that the O'Donnell seat was especially critical in the case of a Republicans picking up 8 or nine senate seats; we didn't come near that mark, so, while it still would have been sweet to own a senate seat in a deep blue state, it's not like it had that added bonus of swinging the senate.

37 Posted by: rdbrewer at December 06, 2010 03:09 PM (u5p47)

A little, but not very much.  As they say "consider the source."  People really do.  Had, say, Castle come out for O'Donnell, it might have changed something (probably not, but it might, and now we'll never know).  Similarly, had the RNC and RNSC bought adds for her, people might have listened more closely.

One of the things you sometimes have to do when people aren't listening- even though your points are good and valid- is have someone to whom they will listen say the same things.  She didn't have that.

How much difference would have made?  Somewhere between "none" and her winning.  I'm guessing closer to "none" though.

38 Let me say... OK, but don't get used to it.y: ace © at

39 >>>Now we're doing our own "evil genius" or "incompetent boob" contradictions? I don't think it takes an evil genius to figure out that $1 million is pretty sweet.

40 Well, at the very least, I'd like to see all GOP candidates who end campaigns with a surplus return any funds that they obtained from the NRSC, RNC, or other party organizations so they can be applied for other GOP candidates. 

Here's why. 

The money an individual donor sends to a candidate is targeted at that specific candidate.  It is highly restricted, therefore. 

The money the RNC or similar groups send to a candidate is very flexible.  The donors to those groups know that what they are doing is providing money to support those groups' efforts to elect Republican Senators, Republicans, or whatever the group says it's purpose is.  Those are very valuable funds because they are not restricted to a particular race or state. 

It seems to me that the RNC, NRSC, etc, could certainly attach that string (return some pro-rated amount if you have an excess after the campaign) to their funds.  I would do it in such a way that the return happens immediately (less perhaps a handling fee that the campaign can charge) and then if the candidate needs money for legal challenges  they can reapply to that group for funding to cover those expenses. 

41 Every time I see an O'Donnell post, I think Ace needs something to keep us busy while he takes a nap.

Posted by: Dr Spank at December 06, 2010 03:14 PM (LLZiU)

Or you could say it's providing us all with cardiovascular excersize without actually doing any excersize.

Hey, I'm glass half full!

42

Ace,

Give it a rest.

You have Pigford, Gov't funded unions, and Acorn.  Take our tax dollars and buy votes and/or route our dollars to Dem candidates.

And you focus on O'Donnell.

We either hang together or hang separately.  We have too many useful idiots.

Scoob

 

 

43 argh

44 Okay, Ace.  We get it.  We got it during the campaign.  You and other people don't like her.  C'mon already.  It's done and over with.  It's time to grapple and fight over a prez candidate for 2012.  HA is saying Huckafuck is running again.

45 >>>It was needed and Ellmers is now Representative Elect Ellmers. You don't need a million. As is noted, she was advised to keep "several hundred thousand." Not close to a million. Further, you need that money only for immediate purposes -- because you're allowed to fundraise for these purposes after the election. That is, as long as you have enough to pay the initial costs of a legal challenge, you're okay, because if you can pay that you should start seeing big fundraising money pour in. Plus you can take loans against the future anticipated fund-raising. A million is a lot, man.

46 Yo Christine, we could use some support.

47 Where's Tattoo with the "healing"?

48 Depending on where the money is (like in a PAC or something) she could donate the money to a charity.

A charity that she sets up and is an officer in.

And that pays its officers nice salaries.

Not that I'd do that.

49 A million is a lot, man.

No it's not.

50

HA is saying Huckafuck is running again.

They're geniuses over there.

51 A million is a lot, man. Posted by: ace © at December 06, 2010 03:21 PM (nj1bB) True.. never donated to O'Donnell but I did donate to Ellmers recount effort.. More than happy to do that one

52 Is she the only person that's ever potentially done this?  I don't think so.  Why don't we have a hard hitting report on how much other people like, say, donkeycrats have left over and stick in their pockets use as a salary?  Or good ol' Charlie Crist?

How is this different from the MFM?

53 50

HA is saying Huckafuck is running again.

They're geniuses over there.

I read somewhere Huckster is building a 3 million dollar home in Florida. That'll hurt his class warfare spiel.

54

She also knew her campaign was a lost cause... while she was bitching about others not supporting her campaign.

55

HA is saying Huckafuck is running again.

They're geniuses over there.

Posted by: rdbrewer at December 06, 2010 03:23 PM (u5p47)

 

Heh.

56 Right on Ace, and if there is one thing we all hate, its people who run for office every two years.  Why can't they just find a real job?

57 Well, I don't think anyone could have predicted that me-first bitch-man would run again.

58 Better Christine at home with a $1,000,000 in cash than Mike Castle in the Senate plotting for the best time to stab Republicans in the the back.

59 As is noted, she was advised to keep "several hundred thousand." Not close to a million.

Posted by: ace © at December 06, 2010 03:21 PM (nj1bB)

Well... is not 10 in the subcategory of "several"?

 

And its not theft... its a "consolation prize"... thanks to our political system...

60

I hope she shaves her muff.

Posted by: anonymous at December 06, 2010 03:07 PM (sqqku)

I was going to get all in a high dudgeon about your disrespect, and then I realized I'd be a hypocrite because I wouldn't mind seeing that, either.

Then again, maybe honesty isn't always the best policy.

61 Why shouldn't Ms. O'Donnell return this money to the people who sent it to her in good faith? They're supposed to front her a salary until the next election?

Posted by: JEA

 

Fuck you.

To all:

 Castle had a war chest too. And he's 71. Anyone think that he'll suddenly develop the balls to take on Carper for Senate in 2012? No, didn't think so. Anyone  asking what happened to that warchest of his? No. Didn't think so.

 

Remember that charge that the state party leveled at her? I'm not aware of it being withdrawn. Remember the compliant leveled by a political group dressed up as a consumer watchdog group? She was advised to maintain money to combat those. And she set a spending record.

 

And we're still playing the bullshit. I wanna see the heros here  shoot their mouths off in 2012 when Tom Carper runs for re-election and the state party here trots out another sacrifical lamb. Why not a 'draft Castle' campaign? We here can get to watch Castle run screaming from a fight, with his money.

 

62 She could just pocket the entire amount if she wanted to.

This is ALL just like the other allegations about her; absolute BS.

This falls under federal law so it doesn't vary from State to State either. In general it MUST be spent only on legitimate campaign expenses, and yes that includes paying that portion of her "rent" that is attributable to her campaign office. However a campaign must be in progress for that.

If she does not spend it on legitimate campaign expenses she can either donate it to other candidate/politicians, return it to the donors (never happens), or donate it to charity.

I really don't expect ANY Dem or MFM reporter to let her pass on mis-spending it.

Most politicians when they retire with unspent campaign funds donate it to other politicians.  Heven forbid they give it to all those charities they want the tax payer to fund.

63 I'll also point out that a million dollars isn't as much as it once was.  Assuming you invest in an annuity at approx 8% (I chose that because it's guaranteed to be more-or-less stable) that's less than $80,000 a year, before taxes (both Income and Capital Gains) so a good, solid income, but it won't classify her as super rich.

And she can't "invest" it- she has to set up some foundation or something to pay her a salary.   That foundation might be able to put it in some investment account (not sure what the rules on that are) but she can't do it directly.

Let's drop this mountain back to mole-hill status.

64 Yo Christine, we could use some support.

Posted by: Masturbators Anonymous

 

Need a helping hand?

65 You don't need a million. As is noted, she was advised to keep "several hundred thousand." Not close to a million.

Posted by: ace © at December 06, 2010 03:21 PM (nj1bB)

Well, depending on who you ask, several hundred thousand is pretty exactly close to a million.

Most people I know of use "several" to cover a range of about 5-9. A couple is two, a few is about 3, several is more vague but I guess because it sounds like "seven" people float it around that.

66

Has anyone ***cough Ace cough*** bothered to find out how much money was left over from other campaigns that were lost, and what those candidates plan to do with that money?

It happens all the damn time.   For one thing, that was a very short time to run a campaign.   I'm sure if it had lasted longer that money would have been spent.  She did spend a hell of a lot of it, didn't she?   If it was all about the money, and that was the only reason she ran, I would imagine she would have much more left over.   Give it a rest.   Damn.

And, no, I don't live in DE, so I had no dog in that race.

67 I wanna see the heros here  shoot their mouths off in 2012 when Tom Carper runs for re-election and the state party here trots out another sacrifical lamb.

Sorry Blue Hen.  In 2012 Delaware will go back to being ignored by the national party.

68 I wanna see the heros here  shoot their mouths off in 2012 when Tom Carper runs for re-election and the state party here trots out another sacrifical lamb.

Sorry Blue Hen.  In 2012 Delaware will go back to being ignored by the national party.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk

 

True. We'll probably get ignored by the state party again as well.

69

True. We'll probably get ignored by the state party again as well.

Posted by: Helen Thomas

 

Begone fowls' sock.

70 Boy, Ace really does have it in for these Tea Party-backed women. First the South Carolina chick and now this.

71 So she used her political campaign to build up a war chest and/or nest egg? Please explain how this makes her different from many (most) other members of the House or the Senate. Hell, it proves she's QUALIFIED for the job!

72 First the South Carolina chick and now this.

I don't recall Ace coming out against Haley.

73 This wouldn't even be a story, since campaigns often have money left, if O'Donnell hadn't complained about not getting enough money from the NRSC.  Her implication was she needed it, which it appears she didn't.  She has always seemed to me to be a professional candidate who never held a real job.  At least she's good at that.  Now she can just go away.

74 Legal challenges, my ass.  It was clear from the bare-bones general election campaign she ran that Chrissy O. was hoarding as much of that campaign cash as possible.  That rent ain't gonna pay itself, you know.  This is what professional candidates do; it sure beats working.

I really wish this woman would go the fuck away already.  But you just know she's going to run a campaign against Tom Carper in 2012.  And then, if by some miracle the GOP digs up an actual viable candidate who beats her in the primary, she'll go to whatever lengths necessary to smear and defame him or her while going the write-in route for the general election in order to keep that campaign cash coming in.

Because, don'tcha know, the Chris Coons seat will be up in 2014.

Helluva racket that little ol' Wendy has going here.

75

She should have spent all that money to help someone electable, like, say, Mike Castle.

76 if by some miracle the GOP digs up an actual viable candidate who beats her in the primary

Nobody 'viable' is going to run for the seat against Tom Carper in 2012, because no one is viable.  He's an incumbent in a blue state during a presidential election year.  Tom Carper could act out Gore Vidal's Caligula and still win by ten points.

O'Donnell may be the only person to run.  Will she raise as much money next time?  I doubt it.

77 74 This wouldn't even be a story, since campaigns often have money left, if O'Donnell hadn't complained about not getting enough money from the NRSC.

Bingo!  Deanna nails the landing! 



Those of you who are implying that ace's pattern of supporting or criticizing candidates demonstrate that he's a misogynist are full of shit, btw. 

78 I think Jim G. has a "sore loser" syndrome here. Given the behavior of Mark Kirk, Murkowski, and Lugar, I don't expect any better from Castle if he won. Anyway, CO and her supporters should be responsible for her loss, then Castle and his supporters should be responsible for his primary loss as well. If we really want to win in 2012, it is past time already to dwell on these issues. I have been waiting to see/hear the purely fiscal conservatives to reign in people like Karl Rove, Scarborough on their attacks on Palin if they really want to win in 2012.  I haven't heard much and that is a real disappoinment for me. These purely fiscal conservatives can talk a good talk about wanting to win, but they don't seem to walk the walk.

79 Legal challenges, my ass.  It was clear from the bare-bones general election campaign she ran that Chrissy O. was hoarding as much of that campaign cash as possible.  That rent ain't gonna pay itself, you know.  This is what professional candidates do; it sure beats working.

I really wish this woman would go the fuck away already.  But you just know she's going to run a campaign against Tom Carper in 2012.  And then, if by some miracle the GOP digs up an actual viable candidate who beats her in the primary, she'll go to whatever lengths necessary to smear and defame him or her while going the write-in route for the general election in order to keep that campaign cash coming in.

Because, don'tcha know, the Chris Coons seat will be up in 2014.

Helluva racket that little ol' Wendy has going here.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States

 

What utter shit. bare bones? I live here idiot. I saw what she was spending. Forget first person evidence, since you've decided to ignore it. Try reading the frickin' post. She set a spending record.

 

Let's see them actually put up a real candidate aginst Carper. Castle had three chances to run against Biden and two against Carper and he blew them all off. Now I'm supposed to believe that she alone stand between the Delaware Republicn party and success? You are an absolute asshole that loves to talk about crap you don't even try to understand.

 

Show up to the next state party convention, if you can even read a map. You can watch the circus first hand, since you don't listen to anyone who fails to agree with you.

80 Nobody 'viable' is going to run for the seat against Tom Carper in 2012, because no one is viable.

Like I said, it would be a miracle.

'Course, we did have a viable candidate this year.  The only viable Republican in the entire state, in fact.  But nooooo.  Being able to win elections is a warning sign of RINO-ism, and Lord knows we can't have that.

81

She should have spent all that money to help someone electable, like, say, Mike Castle.

Posted by: Tim

 

Yup. She should have spent that money on someone who stands by the party and their candidates, like, say, Mike Castle. Oh, wait one.

82 And yes, Blue Hen, I've read your posts before and know how, er, emotionally invested you've gotten in all of this. 

Tough shit.  This race was what it was; grow up and deal with it.

83 Being able to win elections is a warning sign of RINO-ism, and Lord knows we can't have that.

Bush and Reps won elections and the public believed in the propaganda that the Dems would be more fiscally responsible. Beat the dead-horse if you want. A lesson to learn is not to nominate someone like Castle again!

84 Nobody 'viable' is going to run for the seat against Tom Carper in 2012, because no one is viable.

Like I said, it would be a miracle.

'Course, we did have a viable candidate this year.  The only viable Republican in the entire state, in fact.  But nooooo.  Being able to win elections is a warning sign of RINO-ism, and Lord knows we can't have that.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States

 

And having only one viable candidate is of course the ultimate compliment that a state party could receive.

And what's with this 'we' shit asshole? You from Delaware? Or did you just wear nylon stockings once and bonded?

85 A lesson to learn is not to nominate someone like Castle again!

Yeah, you're right.  We need more Christine O'Donnells. 

86 eah, you're right.  We need more Christine O'Donnells.

If we want to avoid CO, then we should be smart enough not to nominate someone like Castle again. Why is it so hard to understand?

87 And yes, Blue Hen, I've read your posts before and know how, er, emotionally invested you've gotten in all of this. 

Tough shit.  This race was what it was; grow up and deal with it.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States

I've read your shit before and I know how ignorant you are of the situation here, and how that doesn't even slow down the torrent of crap and lies.

 

Grow up and get an education.

88 Just as I knew, this thread has became the rented mule once again. Time to close it.

89

I watched all of her debates. She was well spoken, knew the issues and would have served well, IMHO. Doofus who won just kept sucking up to the reporters who were moderating the debate, and acting as if O'Donnell was a raving schizophrenic on a street corner. He did not comport himself well, nor display an understanding of the issues. Feminists, of whom I am not one, should have been picketing every one of his campaign appearances.

Posted by: MathMom at December 06, 2010 03:01 PM (tj0rx)

For a minute, I thought you were describing Ace of Spades when you said 'reporters.'

90 Since Delaware's Senate race is only of interest to Delawarians, it'd be nice if the candidates there wouldn't siphon money off from national GOP organizations. 

Just sayin'. 

91

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 06, 2010 04:11 PM (R2fpr)

Grow up.  That is all.

92 Just as I knew, this thread has became the rented mule once again. Time to close it.

Exactly. I don't see how this nit-picking would help our cause in 2012.

93

Is Delaware's Primary at a different time for presidential election years.  Because really that's the biggest thing that helped her in the money department I think.  Delaware was essentially the last contestable primary before the general and it was right up against it with really no respite between them.  So I really doubt she raises near as much money.

Posted by: buzzion

 

That's the normal time. But they rarely happen. That's part of what fell out here. Would things have been different from say Florida, Utah or Alaska if Delware went earlier? probably. But the point remains that voters here saw that happening.

 

I doubt that she could do nearly as well again, in terms of money or voting.

94 And I realize DE is a puny state, but surely we are allowed to assume that there is a greater diversity of opinions held by its residents than merely those offered by the couple of commentators here who claim to be from that state.  I mean, someone voted for Mike Castle all those times, didn't they?  Or was that evil outside influence from non-Delawarians getting him elected every other year? 

95

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 06, 2010 04:11 PM (R2fpr)

Grow up.  That is all.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States

 

Learn something about the subject or fuck off asshole. I've grown tired of drive by trolling from people who were pig ignorant.

96 All of you people just stop it.  None of you people live in Delaware; none of this helps further the first person to come down the pike in years who promised us actual representation; and everyone has to make a living, after all.

97 'Course, we did have a viable candidate this year.

No we didn't.  Viable candidates win their primaries.  Castle could have won his primary, but he didn't because he expected primary voters to come to him rather than the other way around.

And if your response is 'he would have lost the general if he moved rightward' well...the alternative didn't work so good, did it?

98 Blue Hen, ignore him.  We've got Carper right where we want him.

99

Ace didn't come out after the Haley, but he was slow to realize what a joke the accusations were. He was "keeping his options open" for longer than needed. I'm sure he doesn't dislike the people, but rather, he succumbs to the subconscious messaging the media puts out there. "Well, they might be correct so I don't want to look the fool."

I guess it's just easier to suspect an attractive women to not be clean compared to old fogeys.

100 And I realize DE is a puny state, but surely we are allowed to assume that there is a greater diversity of opinions held by its residents than merely those offered by the couple of commentators here who claim to be from that state.  I mean, someone voted for Mike Castle all those times, didn't they?  Or was that evil outside influence from non-Delawarians getting him elected every other year? 

Posted by: Y-not

 

He was a big, well known fish in a small political pond. For example, he began holding office in the 60's. Strangley, signs and personal appearances still do well here. There is also no organic TV and one paper of any size.

Newcomers who are Dems do better than Republican newcomers. here you fight the media and the natural vopter registration advantage. She should have done some office, any office. Biden managed to pull the trick off here. He was on county council for about one year, then made the Senate.

101 Blue Hen, ignore him.  We've got Carper right where we want him.

Posted by: Mice With Fully-Functioning Human Brains

 

Heh. Would but that were true. Thanks anyway.

102 Blue Hen, in the meantime, consider getting over your pro-everything-O'Donnell fainting reflex.

103 4 She'll definitely be back.

Posted by: Dr Spank at December 06, 2010 02:59 PM (LLZiU)

It's not like she has any other career options.

104 It's not like she has any other career options.

Just like Castle!

105 You probably need to just set The Black Watch on her, Ace. Are you hiding in her bushes, now?

106

"I'm sick of hearing about this dimwitted, trend-jumping fame whore?"

Not that Ace isn't leading the charge to investigate the moribund, incompetent and corrupt DE Republican party and get to the bottom of how an Alvin Green quality candidate could beat the GOP pillar, former governor and sitting Representative.

No the meme is the GOP was jobbed by a slick campaign headed by an ex-whore, ex-witch, unmitigated basket-case with Palin & DeMint sponsorship.

I cannot wait for this dipsh*t to name his candidate so I can ream the bastard ahead of 95% of Amerikkka.

 

107 I have read that she was advised by her campaign's attorneys to keep several hundred thousand dollars available for the post election phase, in case of legal challenges, recounts, etc.

108 If you think Blue Hen has been pro-everything-OÂ’Donnell, you havenÂ’t been paying attention. My take over the last several months has been the opposite of that--the Hen is just pissed off at the level of vitriolic misinformation levied against her candidacy by people who ought to know better. Especially people who understand the power of narratives and why the media tries to frame them whenever they can.

109 We can haz our paychecks now?

110 107 Blue Hen, in the meantime, consider getting over your pro-everything-O'Donnell fainting reflex.

Posted by: rdbrewer at December 06, 2010 04:25 PM (u5p47)

Yeah, the usual charge by people who either support an attack or who are actually attacking.

Obviously many people on the right like to intervene in muggings and bullying. It's the right thing to do, whether you "support" the victim or not.

I read nearly every Blue Hen post, and they were damned fair to Mike Castle and the notion of getting the best candidates next time, and all the ACTUAL issues, while some of you were obsessed to the point of derangement with O'Donnell.

Stop using tired leftist troll responses. Better still, why don't you people take this O'Donnel crap somewhere else. I'm sure the people at moveon or whatever soros-sponsored site would love to have it.

111 Look ... the O'Donnellites were the ones who decided that the days of making nice were over.  You never gave a tinker's damn about intra-party comity until you discovered that you really needed everyone on your team after all.  And no one is stupid enough to believe for one moment that, had she actually won -- or even made it close -- the O'Donnellites wouldn't be proceeding with the purges with a lust unseen since Charlie Sheen first got an internet connection.

112 Bullshit, Walt.  Grade A.

113
Like I said, it would be a miracle.

'Course, we did have a viable candidate this year.  The only viable Republican in the entire state, in fact.  But nooooo.  Being able to win elections is a warning sign of RINO-ism, and Lord knows we can't have that.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at December 06, 2010 04:05 PM (CwkQz)

Getting your fricking ass kicked by the worst candidate in the world BEFORE she got all that sweet cash is by definition, a non viable candidate.

114 Look ... the O'Donnellites were the ones who decided that the days of making nice were over.  You never gave a tinker's damn about intra-party comity until you discovered that you really needed everyone on your team after all.  And no one is stupid enough to believe for one moment that, had she actually won -- or even made it close -- the O'Donnellites wouldn't be proceeding with the purges with a lust unseen since Charlie Sheen first got an internet connection.

By the same token, that 's exactly the behavior of the Castle people and the "purely fiscal conservatives". The power of projection is simply part of human nature I guess. So Kark Rove Co. wants a civil war now! Let 's have it as early as we can so that we can sort it out. 

115 If you think Blue Hen has been pro-everything-OÂ’Donnell, you havenÂ’t been paying attention. My take over the last several months has been the opposite of that--the Hen is just pissed off at the level of vitriolic misinformation levied against her candidacy by people who ought to know better.

Especially people who understand the power of narratives and why the media tries to frame them whenever they can.

Posted by: Jerry at December 06, 2010 04:44 PM (QF8uk)

I think that Blue Hen is annoyed that as an actual Delaware Republican, his/her views and observations are automatically considered irrelevant to this issue about what Delaware Republicans think and did in the Primary and General election in Delaware.

116 109 It's not like she has any other career options.

Just like Castle!

Posted by: LAI at December 06, 2010 04:26 PM (R4ub4)

In Castle's defense, at least he had a career prior to this last election.  And not just as a professional candidate.

117 If you think Blue Hen has been pro-everything-OÂ’Donnell, you havenÂ’t been paying attention. My take over the last several months has been the opposite of that--the Hen is just pissed off at the level of vitriolic misinformation levied against her candidacy by people who ought to know better.

Especially people who understand the power of narratives and why the media tries to frame them whenever they can.

Posted by: Jerry

 

Thank you.

 

pro O'Donnell? Her stated positions were preferable, and I said so. Did Castle have by far the better chance? Yes.

 

Who did I vote for? Castle.

 

Who couldn't be bothered to campaign in the primary? Castle.

Who fucked up the whole circus? Castle and the state party.

Did she get her head handed to her in the general election, as many here and elsewhere predict? Yes.

 

Who here either lied about what was happeneing here or chose to ignore first person reports and instead regurgiate whatever they picked up third hand? Look upthread. the usual ill-informed clowns.

Will any of these care to educate themselves or attend the next state Republican convention, as I will be doing? Doubt it.

 

 

118 Better still, why don't you people take this O'Donnel crap somewhere else. I'm sure the people at moveon or whatever soros-sponsored site would love to have it.

Uh uh.  You people got schooled in exactly the manner we all warned would happen.

Now, having fucked all of us with this race, you want to slink away, cry that no mistakes were made, and pull the exact same bullshit with whatever other grifter sociopaths you happen to dig up for future races in the name of a Good Old Purity Purge, without having to listen to anyone call you on it.

That's not going to happen.

119 How much money does the rocket scientist chick have left? Will any news reporter ask, or is it just 'Jump on Christine cuz we miss her' time?

120 In Castle's defense, at least he had a career prior to this last election.  And not just as a professional candidate.

Yup as a sitting congressman and that 's a great thing for fiscal conservatism. Given the behavior or Murkowski and Lugar, I would expect worse from Castle if he won. Lugar is throwing a middle finger to the base and he is from a purple state at least. With Castle from a blue state, I would expect more middle fingers! Since we are talking about motives here, can someone look into the charge that Castle just wanted to be a seat warmer for younger Biden? We didn't even talk about the corrupt and incompetent DE Rep party.

121 Getting your fricking ass kicked by the worst candidate in the world BEFORE she got all that sweet cash is by definition, a non viable candidate.

Waiting for Blue Hen to start foaming at the mouth that you don't know what you're talking about ('cause you don't) in *checks watch* 5....4....3....2....

122 Waiting for Blue Hen to start foaming at the mouth that you don't know what you're talking about ('cause you don't) in *checks watch* 5....4....3....2....

Another example of the expected behavior from Castle supporters?

123

"Will any of these care to educate themselves or attend the next state Republican convention, as I will be doing?"

Hope they serve tainted Kool-Aid.

124  @ 119 -- Let 's have it as early as we can so that we can sort it out. 

My sentiments, exactly.

My first order of business will be to muster all the folks who've been hitting every internet message board with "NO MORE SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES!!!" sloganeering so we can have a good, honest airing of grievances.

Now, could you help me find them?  Because, honestly, I can't remember ever seeing anything like that in all the years I've been doing this.

The mewling of the O'Donnellite faction is just too precious.  They're the kind of people who, in high school, trip someone walking down the hall, and then yell, "No hitting in the face!" when they find themselves up against the lockers.

125 Uh uh.  You people got schooled in exactly the manner we all warned would happen.

Now, having fucked all of us with this race, you want to slink away, cry that no mistakes were made, and pull the exact same bullshit with whatever other grifter sociopaths you happen to dig up for future races in the name of a Good Old Purity Purge, without having to listen to anyone call you on it.

That's not going to happen.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States

 

Big man. Tis a pity you didn't bother to inform Castle. If he had bothered to campaign or at least put up some Goddammed signs, he could have won the primary. Send Castle to freaking school. Delaware's "only viable candidate" got his ass kicked by the wicked witch of Wilmington.

 

While you're at it, try explaining why that idiot waxed poetic about Cap and Trade the day before the primary. You've talked about O'Donnell's gaffes; why not that?Don't have an answer? Selective memory? Too fucking stupid to understand the sentence? All of the above?

 

What bullshit will you pull to evade that bigmouth?

126 Posted by: Walt Gilbert at December 06, 2010 05:07 PM (PmZ9N)

You talk a good fight between your faction of Delaware GOPs versus the other. But the General Election campaign isn't the right time for that fight.

127   They're the kind of people who, in high school, trip someone walking down the hall, and then yell, "No hitting in the face!" when they find themselves up against the lockers.

Posted by: Walt Gilbert

 

It's fitting that you analogy would be at the high school level. Actualy, that's a step up for you.

128 The mewling of the O'Donnellite faction is just too precious.  They're the kind of people who, in high school, trip someone walking down the hall, and then yell, "No hitting in the face!" when they find themselves up against the lockers.

That 's exactly the behavior of the Castle supporters. IF we don't win, we will undermine you and they don't seem to be able to stop whining. IF you want to blame CO and her supporters, then you should own up supporting a lousy candidate like Castle. It is that simple.

129 200 million here we come!

130 And in other news, there are unsubstantiated reports that the Undead conflict between trolls has learned how to tell time.

131 200 million here we come!

up to 1 billion now. Karl Rove Inc. has upted the ante and wants a civil war. So we should as well have it now so that we have more time to regroup.

132  @ 130 -- I'm heading out to the store shortly.  Do you prefer the parfait-style pudding, or just the all-one-flavor type?  I'm actually thinking of giving tapioca a try.  Do you like tapioca?

133 116 Look ... the O'Donnellites were the ones who decided that the days of making nice were over.  You never gave a tinker's damn about intra-party comity until you discovered that you really needed everyone on your team after all.  And no one is stupid enough to believe for one moment that, had she actually won -- or even made it close -- the O'Donnellites wouldn't be proceeding with the purges with a lust unseen since Charlie Sheen first got an internet connection.

Spot on, Walt.

Stage 1, pre-primary: We're Going to Get The RINO Bastards!  Fuck Them and Purge Them!  Stage 2, post-primary: Unite Around Our Republican Nominee!  We Can Win This if We Hang Together!  Stage 3, in the days after the election:  We Didn't Really Want to Win This Seat Anyway!  Stopping Mike Castle Was Victory Enough!

Now that they've had their asses handed to them, it's time to move on to Stage 4 and reframe the narrative yet again.  Can't We Just Put This Behind Us and Move On!  Bwah ha ha ha!  Yeah of course, "move on" until they get to a point where the latest flavor-of-the-month catches their eye and it becomes convenient for them to throw the Republican Party under the bus again and get more Democrats elected.

The split created by the O'Donnell candidacy will never heal until her followers have decided they're ready to learn something from its failure.  So far I'm seeing little indication of that.

134 What bullshit will you pull to evade that bigmouth?

I see you still haven't grown up.  Ah well, there's time. 

135 So you chose to evade. Coward. It wasn't surprising.

136  @ 133 -- That 's exactly the behavior of the Castle supporters. IF we don't win, we will undermine you and they don't seem to be able to stop whining. IF you want to blame CO and her supporters, then you should own up supporting a lousy candidate like Castle. It is that simple.

Blaming Castle supporters for undermining O'Donnell is like blaming the skateboard manufacturer in this video: http://is.gd/ijcSs

137 The mewling of the O'Donnellite faction is just too precious.  They're the kind of people who, in high school, trip someone walking down the hall, and then yell, "No hitting in the face!" when they find themselves up against the lockers.

Yeah, they're glass-jawed punks.  Which makes me wonder why I'm expecting them to grow up and learn something from all this.

Maybe we better get used to a second term of Obama now; the O'Donnellista faction just keeps on telegraphing that they just won't have it any other way....

138 141 So you chose to evade. Coward. It wasn't surprising.

No, I just don't argue with children.  It's not very productive.

139 OÂ’Donnell?  Who cares?  She is done and I never want to see her face again.  If the mil allows her to retire from electoral politics than that would be good.  It was a mistake for Palin to back her, end of story.

140

I'm heading out to the store shortly

 

Don't put anything in the cart without your mothers' permission.

 

And ask her to stop by the library. You need all the education you can get.

141 Blaming Castle supporters for undermining O'Donnell is like blaming the skateboard manufacturer in this video: http://is.gd/ijcSs

No problem, Castle is such a lousy candidate who cannot win a primary with all the resources of the national and DE GOP against lousy candidate as CO. That 's where the blame should be. IF we are smart enough, we should avoid such a lousy candidate again. There we go.

142 122  ... "Who here either lied about what was happeneing here or chose to ignore first person reports and instead regurgiate whatever they picked up third hand? Look upthread. the usual ill-informed clowns."

There's something reflexive about this situation, BH. I understand people thinking they have been cheated, and I have no problem with rooting out actual fraud, regardless of where fraud is discovered. On the right, truth is still somewhat well regarded (but obviously not so much as to halt a particular narrative). But this business is obnoxiously similar to the constant picking at Palin and family by the left (and by certain people who think that getting a degree in ivy-land actually means something today).

If anyone has any actual facts, other than "ominous parallels," or whatever gems of inference that conspiracy-style rantation provides, then let's see them.  Something a little more evidentiary than "where did the money go?" type bullshit is required of them at this time.

The tired and tiresome, "I think she might be bad, therefore she is bad," sort of deranged reasoning reminds me of the sort of deficient thinking welcomed at the New York Times.

To the O'Donnell obsessed: if she's all that bad, make an honest case. You'll find no shortage of support for keeping her away from future election cycles if you succeed. If you can't hack a legitimate inquiry, with actual, you know "evidence," then cut the crap; you're embarrassing yourselves.

143 you are a blathering coward that likes to prattle. Try coming to the state convention and learning something. it's what adult do. Which for you will be a first.

144  @ 145 -- It's a simple question, Hen:  "Do you like tapioca pudding?"  I'm trying to accommodate here.

145 144 OÂ’Donnell?  Who cares?  She is done and I never want to see her face again.

Neither do we, but a check in the mail would be nice.

146 Try coming to the state convention and learning something. it's what adult do.

Good Lord, they let you into the state convention?  No wonder the Delaware GOP's fucked. 

147 Neither do we, but a check in the mail would be nice.

Should have been smarter to find a better candidate. Castle was such a lousy one who would be willing to throw the middle fingers at us!

148 Bottom: CO was a bad candidate. Castle was en even worse candidate for losing the primary. Fair to both sides!

149 150 144 OÂ’Donnell?  Who cares?  She is done and I never want to see her face again.

Neither do we, but a check in the mail would be nice.

Posted by: Christine O'Donnell's Stiffed Campaign Workers at December 06, 2010 05:40 PM (Kvbky)

Don't worry, there's probably a chapter about that in the upcoming book, tentatively titled "Sarah Palin Endorsed Me, And All I Got Was This Lousy Million Dollars."

150 Don't worry, there's probably a chapter about that in the upcoming book, tentatively titled "Sarah Palin Endorsed Me, And All I Got Was This Lousy Million Dollars."

Karl Rove will write a book: "I am smart enough to support a guy who will throw a middle fingers to fiscal conservatism". BTW, he can get more porks for DE to help his supporters in any case.

151  @ 146 -- Well, hey -- who would've ever thought that a guy who'd won 13 statewide general election campaigns might actually be elected in a general election as opposed to somebody who'd, up until then, made a career of losing elections?

Well, now it appears she's made a living out of losing yet another election.  Nice of you guys to do that for her, by the way.

152 "Who here either lied about what was happeneing here or chose to ignore first person reports and instead regurgiate whatever they picked up third hand? Look upthread. the usual ill-informed clowns."

There's something reflexive about this situation, BH. I understand people thinking they have been cheated, and I have no problem with rooting out actual fraud, regardless of where fraud is discovered. On the right, truth is still somewhat well regarded (but obviously not so much as to halt a particular narrative). But this business is obnoxiously similar to the constant picking at Palin and family by the left (and by certain people who think that getting a degree in ivy-land actually means something today).

If anyone has any actual facts, other than "ominous parallels," or whatever gems of inference that conspiracy-style rantation provides, then let's see them.  Something a little more evidentiary than "where did the money go?" type bullshit is required of them at this time.

The tired and tiresome, "I think she might be bad, therefore she is bad," sort of deranged reasoning reminds me of the sort of deficient thinking welcomed at the New York Times.

To the O'Donnell obsessed: if she's all that bad, make an honest case. You'll find no shortage of support for keeping her away from future election cycles if you succeed. If you can't hack a legitimate inquiry, with actual, you know "evidence," then cut the crap; you're embarrassing yourselves.

Posted by: K~Bob

Agreed. What bothers me most I suppose is thatsome seem to be embracing the idiotic leftist practice of ignoring inconvenient facts and hammering crap that was covered.

 

We were told by many that O'Donnell was a terrible candidate and that Castle was Mr. Wonderful. That last was tempered as the weeks went on, but the fact that he lost the primary, when he had such advantages, is disconcerting. For those who wanted him to win, some feel disappointment and annoyance ( T.Coddington for one). While others ,like myself, were mystified at how such a local powerhouse could be caught flatfooted. For the former group, that disappointment seems to be manifesting itself in the hostility that we're seeing.

 

I agree that a great opportunity was lost. My biggest concern is what,, if anything, will the state party learn from it.

153
KARL ROVE!
MIKE CASTLE!
CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER!

154 Spoken like a true troll. So you are too much of a coward to learn. Whine instead. It's what you do best.

155 Well, now it appears she's made a living out of losing yet another election.  Nice of you guys to do that for her, by the way.

We get this result by the stupidity of the DE Rep party for nominating such a lousy candidate like Castle.

156 Well, I gotta head out.  You kids try not to stage a coup while I'm gone. 

157 Mom's calling you for dinner. How nice.

158 155 Don't worry, there's probably a chapter about that in the upcoming book, tentatively titled "Sarah Palin Endorsed Me, And All I Got Was This Lousy Million Dollars."

Karl Rove will write a book: "I am smart enough to support a guy who will throw a middle fingers to fiscal conservatism". BTW, he can get more porks for DE to help his supporters in any case.

Posted by: LAI at December 06, 2010 05:45 PM (DH9np)

Karl Rove has actually won an election in his life though.

159 158
KARL ROVE!
MIKE CASTLE!
CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER!

Posted by: MATT DAMON! at December 06, 2010 05:46 PM (Kvbky)

BUT KARL ROVE...!!!!  BUT MIKE CASTLE...!!!  BUT KARL ROVE...!!!!  BUT MIKE CASTLE...!!!

[/Every Pro-Christine O'Donnell Person]

160  @ 160 -- We get this result by the stupidity of the DE Rep party for nominating such a lousy candidate like Castle.

Now, now ... let's not understate the in-kind contributions of mouth-breathing galoots like Mark Levin and his phalanx of dupes.

161 Karl Rove has actually won an election in his life though.

Palin has won several elections in her life also.

162 Say, Undead, exactly where in the gajillions of posts here at the ol' HQ have you ever seen these calls for a "purity purge?" Or are you so full of bullshit you just can't stop fucking that same old straw chicken?

You O'Donnell obsessed folks keep trotting out the straw. "O'Donnell followers", "O'Donnel supporters"; of course the "Purity" hack; and then you go back for the wet, smelly straw for the obviously stupid, "She cost us the Senate" meme.

You don't seem to understand that we neither have to support O'Donnel, nor be a part of your fever-induced "purity movement" bullshit to want to slap down such foolish thinking  when it surfaces.  Each time this shit comes up, it always smells worse for the total lack of diligence by those who float it. It needs to be responded to, even though it's like arguing with trolls, and stinks up the whole place.

163 Now, now ... let's not understate the in-kind contributions of mouth-breathing galoots like Mark Levin and his phalanx of dupes.

Just like Karl Rove, Scaborough and other "purely fiscal conservatives" who want to shut up the SoCon after the election. These are even worse dupes in my opinion.

164 I like Geraghty but his, and others', constant harping on CO and her supporters is getting fucking tedious. I mean dear God, the election was a month ago, get over it. But if you really want a lesson from this debacle, it's simple: Pride goeth before the fall. I wanted Castle to win the primary but, as Blue Hen explained, he thought he could waltz right in and be handed the seat. He turned out to be wrong. He didn't do a damn thing to win the primary and frankly I still have yet to see any real admission of such by most of the CO haters. They go on about how awful she was, and throw out purity straw-men, but they never talk about how little Castle did. Yes, CO sucked as a candidate. Yes she got beaten badly. But she still beat Castle.

165  @ 168 -- Given the sort of SoCons you idiots trot out, it's no wonder people would want to shut them up.  I mean, come on ... "mice with fully functioning human brains"?  Why on earth would anyone shush such a thing?

166 And of course, I meant all that in the kindest way.

167 I think some of you have a true friend in Senator Graham. I think you should send him money. Damn that Tea Party, anyway!

168

And I am really sorry for your horrible hash.

Posted by: buzzion at December 06, 2010 04:05 PM (oVQFe)

 

Jeez...just shoot me now!

169 Given the sort of SoCons you idiots trot out, it's no wonder people would want to shut them up.  I mean, come on ... "mice with fully functioning human brains"?  Why on earth would anyone shush such a thing?

Is this a parody? I can't believe that someone is so dumb to say such a thing! Just like fiscal conservatives for Castle. Why on earth anyone would shush such stupid thing?

170  @ 174 -- You're the ones who trotted her out.  Next time, try and produce someone a little more credible.  That way, you don't have to make a fool of yourselves engaging in all the rationalizations after the fact.

171 You're the ones who trotted her out.  Next time, try and produce someone a little more credible.  That way, you don't have to make a fool of yourselves engaging in all the rationalizations after the fact.

By the same token, next time trot out someone better than Castle so that we don't have to make the foolish slogan of "fiscal conservatives for Castle"!

172  @ 176 -- The difference is, Castle wasn't "trotted" out.  He'd actually demonstrated an ability to win races.  Unfortunately, a gaggle of fatuous oafs decided to throw their support to Chris Coons vicariously through a candidate who had never won a statewide election.  Now, it seems they're not quite as proud of the outcome as they'd hoped to be and just want everyone to shut the hell up about it.

I'm still looking for all those "NO MORE SOCONS!!!" comments and posts so I can muster my army of radical FisCons and engage you on the battlefield.  I guess Ace must have deleted all those comments in order to foil my nefarious plot to purge you and your ilk from the great brotherhood of conservatism. 

But, I will not be thwarted.  RINOS UNITE!

173 He'd actually demonstrated an ability to win races.

But he lost to a lousy candidate like CO with the full backing of that national and DE GOP. They even sued her in court. Someone must be really stupid on that end to lose to CO.

174  @ 178 -- "Someone must be really stupid on that end to lose to CO."

In the end, it was the choice of Delaware Republicans, so I'll grant you that point.

175 In the end, it was the choice of Delaware Republicans, so I'll grant you that point.

Definitely, the one who should take the primary blame is Castle himself. HE lost to a lousy candidate like CO. The second one is the stupid Delaware GOP party for supporting such a lousy candidate.

176 BTW, if Castle appeal is such a big deal in DE, he would have won a write-in campaign (eg. Murkowski). Again, another example of the lousy candidacy of Mike Castle.

177  @ 180 / 181 --Now, now ... let us not cheat Mark Levin of his due credit.  After all, were it not for his keen instincts and unparalleled political acumen, Chris Coons wouldn't be the newest senator from Delaware, and we'd all still be forced to pretend that Republicans in Delaware actually matter.  Thankfully, we've been disabused of that silly notion for at least the next generation.

178 I still fail to see how a guy who couldn't win his party's nomination was such a lock for the general.  But party on Garth! 

Not that I really care either way.  I sent the girl a few bucks after the primary and that's the end of my attachment.  Much like a few "girlfriends" I've had.

179  @ 183 -- Well, either Beau Biden was convinced he was a lock, or he was just really tired didn't want to mess with filing all the paperwork.  Of course, Beau probably didn't consider the possibility of having Mark Levin on his campaign team, which was rather shortsighted of him in retrospect.

180 Castle is no longer in Congress.  aka Mission Accomplished. 

181 Well, either Beau Biden was convinced he was a lock, or he was just really tired didn't want to mess with filing all the paperwork.  Of course, Beau probably didn't consider the possibility of having Mark Levin on his campaign team, which was rather shortsighted of him in retrospect.

So we can't count on people like Rove, Rollins, Scarborough on the campaign team now. These people are far more short-sighted and arrogant! To be fair, Levin, Rove, Rollins, Scarborough and those other pure fiscal conservatives should be "dead" to us all. Fair enough.

182  @ 186 -- So we can't count on people like Rove, Rollins, Scarborough on the campaign team now. These people are far more short-sighted and arrogant! To be fair, Levin, Rove, Rollins, Scarborough and those other pure fiscal conservatives should be "dead" to us all. Fair enough.

You know, I make my share of typos and have been known to leave a word out of a sentence here and there, severely garble my syntax, use the wrong word, make the occasional grammatical error, but am a fairly good reader despite all that.  But, for the life of me, I couldn't begin to tell you what the hell that quoted paragraph means.

So, LAI:  Congratulations!  You finally stumped me!  I just wish I had a voucher to give you for a nice dinner for five at a swanky Burbank eatery.

183 But, for the life of me, I couldn't begin to tell you what the hell that quoted paragraph means.

Fine, let me do it more slowly for your sake then. Rove and Scaborough are as bad as Levin if not worse in terms of short-sightedness. The so-called pure fiscal conservatives are as bad. So we should treat Levin, Rove, Scaborough, and those foul-mouthed "pure fiscal conservatives" in the same way. Hope that helps!

184  @ 188 -- So we should treat Levin, Rove, Scaborough, and those foul-mouthed "pure fiscal conservatives" in the same way.

OK.  I'll take Levin and Scarborough, you take Rove.  Now, how is it we're going to treat them?

185 OK.  I'll take Levin and Scarborough, you take Rove.  Now, how is it we're going to treat them?

You want to undermine CO simply because of Levin. I wouldn't go that far myself. However, any candidates supported by Rove or Levin or Scarborough are automatically suspicious until verified. Whatever you want to happen to Levin, the same thing should happen to Rove and Scarborough. Fair enough?

186 I bet every time Ace thinks about COD, his pencil eraser sized dick gets so hard he can use it to tap out his message o' love with it on his blackberry. Jeez, get a room already- and quit trying to get us to watch.

187  @ 190 -- You want to undermine CO simply because of Levin.

No-no-no ... you have things exactly backwards.  You see, Levin is the one who elevated this to a scorched-earth, bloodletting, read-the-bastards-out-of-the-movement purge when he decided that anyone who deigned to question his wisdom was not only a loser, wannabe, cocktail party-mingling pretender, but mentally unsound, incompetent, and generally unworthy of even a tiny shred of respect to boot.

O'Donnell would have failed to get elected with or without Levin's help, or Karl Rove's input.  She can't be undermined by me or anyone else any more than she undermined herself.  There was no way she was going to win.  She was scratched at the starting gate.  She could scarcely be undermined any further.

But Levin ... that guy still has some accounting to do.  And, until he does it, I don't think it serves the cause to conservatism to pretend it didn't happen.  After all, if he did it this time, he'll do it again in two years, when there's a hell of a lot more on the line.  And, maybe next time, it'll be SoCons who take it in the chops ... you know, like the ones who support Mike Huckabee.  And, like it or not, there's quite a few of them.

188 I'd just like to point out that had COD gotten closer or even so close to have a recount, she would have needed that money and more.  There are still going to be thousands upon thousands in bills to wrap up the campaign.

Additionally, had she gotten elected, she would have needed the money for the near necessary media support, setting up offices and more prior to her actually taking office with a budget.

I would suggest that a campaign that ends up broke is a fiscally irresponsible campaign and COD waging a record breaking campaign and ending up with reserves says more about her as a person/candidate that the hundreds of other pols who write checks they can't back and then have to fund-raise and make political deals to retire that debt before they take office (effectively starting the corruption before the office is actually held).

189

Imho...forget about this, and bury whatever grievances you have with one another; get together and at least agree to a canidate both sides of the GOP can stomach (not love, just live with) and work like the devil to get them elected in '12 (and get some more power in the Congress).

Just go with canidates who will do well for the country -- that's all. Not do well for you or your particular group -- the whole country. We're going to need it; this country can't cope with another 4 years of this.

As for O'Donnell, she needs to be off the map for good.  For now, she can be politely ignored; if she demands attention she needs to be taken out of the equation impolitely.

Same goes for Castle -- just to be fair.  Delaware has less than two years to find themselves a better Republican, or you'll wind up keeping your Democrats (who don't seem to be so good for your state or your country) -- so maybe the time of in-fighting is over, no?

190 The Castle folks simply can not accept that Castle lost the primary. Remember, the pitch was Republicans must take as many Senate seats as possible, even RINOs were ok, because Senate majority yields a great deal of power. Oh my! Instead of heeding their own words the Castle-bots refought the primary or took their balls and went home. And as we see today they still are in a snit.

191   @ 195 -- If only we could lose ALL general elections by 16 points.  That would really show the bastards.

192 LOL. Walt's such a fag.

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