October 31, 2010
— Ace As you probably know, I am (for myself) defining a real victory as the Super Wave. I know that's expectations-raising and all but that's what I want.
Is it coming? It's hard to say; it would be, as everyone keeps saying, "unprecedented." But our president is pretty unprecedented too, as he keeps informing us; and it was truly unprecedented that a Congress stand united to tell their constituents to Go Fuck Themselves (in all-caps, actually) on a crucial vote in which the public was strongly engaged.
Geraghty notes that some races, which should be safe for Democrats, keep leaning to the GOP. (Including one of the Maine races Slublog highlighted Friday, Dean Scrontas.)
The Loughlin race in Rhode Island for Patrick Kennedy's former seat -- well, I mean the People's Seat; oh you know what I mean -- is one to watch. If Loughlin wins -- and we'll know he's probably going to win when the networks refuse to call it -- the Democrats are in for a truly horrific night.
I like how Sharron Angle puts it.
Oh: This post by Nate Silver is awesome. He organizes the Congressional races by closing time (earliest first) and then by degree of difficulty for the GOP to flip -- upshot is, if at 7:30 ET PM Andy Barr is beating incumbent Chandler, the GOP is looking for at least a 62+ gain night.
If Sean Bielat beats Barney Frank, we're looking at... 111 seats.
But that of course is a big if.
But...
If...
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Posted by: David Poofe at October 31, 2010 01:44 PM (i3PJU)
troll "Greg" w/ talk about 55 seats being a dissapointment in 3...2..1...
Posted by: YRM (Making A Big Bowl Of Pudding For Tuesday Night) at October 31, 2010 01:45 PM (xQuuU)
Posted by: ya2daup at October 31, 2010 01:45 PM (mndtc)
Posted by: Methos at October 31, 2010 05:43 PM (Ew1k4)
*fist bump*
I was jealous when I saw that.
Posted by: Editor at October 31, 2010 01:45 PM (YX6i/)
Posted by: greg at October 31, 2010 01:45 PM (BSVaa)
Posted by: Glug at October 31, 2010 01:46 PM (BAtLQ)
Posted by: YRM (Making A Big Bowl Of Pudding For Tuesday Night) at October 31, 2010 01:46 PM (xQuuU)
Posted by: YRM (Making A Big Bowl Of Pudding For Tuesday Night) at October 31, 2010 01:47 PM (xQuuU)
Posted by: greg at October 31, 2010 01:47 PM (BSVaa)
Posted by: Glug at October 31, 2010 05:46 PM (BAtLQ)
Piker. I'm expecting to take the Duma.
Posted by: Editor at October 31, 2010 01:48 PM (YX6i/)
Posted by: madamex at October 31, 2010 01:49 PM (jChrK)
Posted by: Berserker at October 31, 2010 01:49 PM (gWHrG)
Posted by: greg at October 31, 2010 01:50 PM (BSVaa)
I want to watch every bit of this.
And I want Obama hounded by this by the press when he's in India.
No quarter!
Posted by: Miss Marple at October 31, 2010 01:51 PM (aXJHp)
You know the best part of Tuesday? I'm an election judge. In friggin' Cook County. And our last two elections (both after the Inauguration) I was assigned to a location with 4 Democrats. When we met, one of them told me "It's funny you still think you matter."
I may just remind him. Or hold on to the memory to stay warm until I get home to watch the returns-I haven't decided yet.
Posted by: Methos at October 31, 2010 01:51 PM (Ew1k4)
Posted by: Berserker at October 31, 2010 05:49 PM (gWHrG)
Gamma rays, baby!!
Posted by: Editor at October 31, 2010 01:52 PM (YX6i/)
Posted by: Greg at October 31, 2010 01:53 PM (V9Q+f)
Posted by: Grug, Moby Of Doom at October 31, 2010 01:53 PM (Hu/Da)
Posted by: greg's mom, who says he is late for dinner and did not clean up the basement at October 31, 2010 01:53 PM (BSVaa)
Posted by: pep at October 31, 2010 01:54 PM (8zlLq)
Posted by: someone at October 31, 2010 01:54 PM (DfAwB)
Posted by: Mark Makers at October 31, 2010 01:54 PM (TAiZ/)
troll "Greg" w/ talk, in an arrogant, sanctimonious, didactic way, about 55 seats being a dissapointment in 3...2..1...
Posted by: YRM (Making A Big Bowl Of Pudding For Tuesday Night) at October 31, 2010 05:45 PM
FIFY
Posted by: dagny at October 31, 2010 01:56 PM (yLCsy)
you sure that's pudding
I had the same thought. I was both enticed and repulsed. Enticement won. Must be the German in me.
Posted by: pep at October 31, 2010 01:56 PM (8zlLq)
BTW, winning by 15 shows how the GOP can have huge leads in the generic ballot and still tank in the close races.
Posted by: Greg at October 31, 2010 01:57 PM (huyI8)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at October 31, 2010 01:57 PM (eOXTH)
Posted by: Editor at October 31, 2010 01:58 PM (YX6i/)
Posted by: Alvin Greene at October 31, 2010 05:55 PM (UOM4
i'd agree with that
Posted by: Greg, supposed Republican Voter at October 31, 2010 01:58 PM (xQuuU)
Posted by: greg's mom, who says he is late for dinner and did not clean up the basement at October 31, 2010 01:59 PM (BSVaa)
Oh, and Methos is cook county? Shoot. Me too. I can't believe IL is turning red.
Posted by: Crazee at October 31, 2010 01:59 PM (xsoRi)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 31, 2010 02:00 PM (UOM48)
Conservatives are so uneducated and crass that even the smallest of the small people in the democrat party will recognize their insignificance, and continue to vote for the winning liberal team of Speaker of the House Pelosi, Senator Reid, and President Obama, the triad of liberal success.
Posted by: John Kerry, D-Masshole at October 31, 2010 02:00 PM (v1gw3)
Bucs up 24-14!!! yay
anyhow...
Posted by: Greg at October 31, 2010 05:57 PM (huyI
um, we lead in PA and are in the margin of error what's the point? all this w/ 08 samples oh wait I forgot troll, you think Ras is oversampling the GOP
Posted by: YRM (The Youngest Commenter On Ace Who Has Big Pudding Plans For Tuesday) at October 31, 2010 02:00 PM (xQuuU)
Mop n Glo must have been talking to those 1960's hippie type folk guitar,puff the magic dragon strumming mofos. My job for years WAS playing guitar, and I paid for my own health care. She can fuck off.
Posted by: Berserker at October 31, 2010 02:01 PM (gWHrG)
Posted by: Grigori Rasputin at October 31, 2010 02:01 PM (jUBAo)
Posted by: garrett at October 31, 2010 02:01 PM (ONDIY)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 31, 2010 06:00 PM (UOM4
some incoherent chick was shown at the rally asking why America is so stupid because the whole world loves Obama, the young vote really is useless...
Posted by: YRM (The Youngest Commenter On Ace Who Has Big Pudding Plans For Tuesday) at October 31, 2010 02:01 PM (xQuuU)
Posted by: YRM (The Youngest Commenter On Ace Who Has Big Pudding Plans For Tuesday) at October 31, 2010 06:00 PM (xQuuU)
margin of error in the rest*
Posted by: YRM (The Youngest Commenter On Ace Who Has Big Pudding Plans For Tuesday) at October 31, 2010 02:02 PM (xQuuU)
Posted by: dagny at October 31, 2010 02:02 PM (yLCsy)
Posted by: greg's mom, who says he is late for dinner and did not clean up the basement at October 31, 2010 02:02 PM (BSVaa)
Posted by: NM Hick (stuck in an island nation until after the wave breaks) at October 31, 2010 02:03 PM (YWhoe)
BE THE WAVE
Be the wave and you're sitting on top of the worldDems are afraid because the Morons are in town (be the wave, be the wave)
They know we've got some friends here
And they know they're doomed and going down
You man the phones, do a precinct tour
And baby the Conservative's will win for sure
You gotta BE THE WAVE and you're sittin' on top of the world
Not just a fad cause it's been going since '09 (be the wave, be the wave)
The TEA Parties going strong
They said it wouldn't last too long
They'll eat their words with some Change and Hope
And watch 'em they'll flip their lids like that Obama dope
And when we BE THE WAVE we'll be sittin' on top of the world
Be the wave and your sittin' on top of the world
So take a lesson from a top-notch Ewok guy (be the wave, be the wave)
Get out the vote today
Let's drive those winning margins high
Just get away from the Internet
And baby go make some calls with the campaign set
And when you BE THE WAVE you'll be sittin on top of the world
Be the wave and you'll be sittin' on top of the world
(Way up high, up on top of the world)
Be the wave and you'll be sittin' on top of the world
(Way up high, up on top of the world)
Be the wave and you'll be sittin' on top of the world
Posted by: stuiec at October 31, 2010 02:03 PM (chhYn)
I normally restrain myself in making questionable prognostications, especially this close to an election, but in all candor, the democrat party is fucked.
Posted by: Pat Caddell, Dem Polster at October 31, 2010 02:03 PM (v1gw3)
Posted by: Holger at October 31, 2010 02:03 PM (V9Q+f)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 31, 2010 02:04 PM (UOM48)
Now PPP is trying to influence the 4 senate races that are still close. Well good for them, no one can say they didn't try. Whoops! Guess they failed early in throwing out Burr.
Assholes
Posted by: dagny at October 31, 2010 02:04 PM (yLCsy)
Posted by: Nighthawk at October 31, 2010 02:04 PM (UtQFs)
"PPP offers the highest quality polling at the most affordable price of any company out there."
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaa. A cheap prostitute.
Posted by: dagny at October 31, 2010 02:06 PM (yLCsy)
Sure, anything can happen. Care to put your money where your mouth is?
Posted by: Intrade at October 31, 2010 02:06 PM (Ew1k4)
Posted by: curious at October 31, 2010 02:07 PM (p302b)
Posted by: greg's mom, who says he is late for dinner and did not clean up the basement at October 31, 2010 02:07 PM (BSVaa)
1.) Establish a House of Lords
2.) Take it
3.) Field a football team
4.) Win the Super Bowl
5.) Beat the ghost of Jack Johnson in boxing, and
6.) Win the triple crown.*
*Without a Horse
Posted by: Greg at October 31, 2010 02:07 PM (O2/Ya)
Posted by: Grigori Rasputin at October 31, 2010 02:08 PM (jUBAo)
Posted by: Peaches at October 31, 2010 02:08 PM (zxpIo)
Posted by: Greg, the cheesy-mac is cold..... at October 31, 2010 02:08 PM (BSVaa)
Posted by: dagny at October 31, 2010 06:02 PM (yLCsy)
focus on Ras which got the 08 race 99.99% right and the only one in 04 to say both candidates would be seperated by lesser margins then other polls that had Bush or Kerry w/ 53% of the vote results, Ras correctly predicted a close Bush win and in 06 correctly got many house and senate races right
Ras currently has CA, CO, IL, NV, PA, WA, & WV as tossups, according to RCP we lead in CO, IL, NV, & PA; CA, WA, & WV we have a shot at winning but CA is the biggest long shot of the 3 we should win all of the ones we lead in and the last 3 we should pull off a big upset in at least 1 w/ the polls having it in the margin of error; example: Bill McCullum lead Scott by 4 on the day of the primary and many like me predicted McCullum would win but Scott won in a close one it's all about ethusiasm and the mood of the electorate just ask the GOP which thought they could save some seats in 06 and 08 or loses in the 08 presidential race in NC, IN, FL, & VA that were won thanks to Dem ethusiasm, I trust polls a lot but only reputable polls and any poll watcher knows a 3-4 point lead could easily be the other way around in reality
Posted by: YRM (The Youngest Commenter On Ace Who Has Big Pudding Plans For Tuesday) at October 31, 2010 02:08 PM (xQuuU)
1.) Establish a House of Lords
2.) Take it
3.) Field a football team
4.) Win the Super Bowl
5.) Beat the ghost of Jack Johnson in boxing, and
6.) Win the triple crown.*
*Without a Horse
Posted by: Greg at October 31, 2010 06:07 PM (O2/Ya)
I don't want to be presumptuous enough to speak for Methos, but I think we're both on board with that.
Posted by: Editor at October 31, 2010 02:09 PM (YX6i/)
The teeth-gnashing and hand-wringing by the State Controlled Media on election night will be joyful and unprecedented.
I'm hopeful for heart palpitations, projectile vomiting and diarrhea for liberal talkers and scribblers. It's going to be a night to remember.
Posted by: Fish at October 31, 2010 02:10 PM (v1gw3)
BTW, winning by 15 shows how the GOP can have huge leads in the generic ballot and still tank in the close races.
Posted by: Greg at October 31, 2010 05:57 PM (huyI
1) PPP running "real" results in KY, where there's no credible case for trying to deny Paul's lead, does not mean they can't run "fake" results elsewhere in hopes of influencing the vote or out of their inherent bias.
2) So much of your sense of self-worth seems to be bound up in the GOP falling short of its wildest expectations. Why is it more important to you to be right about your predictions of failure than to have the GOP wave materialize? It casts doubt on your claim to be a supporter of the GOP when, rather than cautioning about excessive optimism, you instead flatly predict "failure."
Posted by: stuiec at October 31, 2010 02:10 PM (chhYn)
Posted by: Editor at October 31, 2010 02:10 PM (YX6i/)
Just face it, there's no wave....
If there was a wave, Paul would be cruising in Kentucky.....oh wait, he is.
No really, I mean, we should be killing it in Wisco.....er..Johnson up 7? Ok..um....
Washington! If there was a wave, we should be taking it right up to.....TIED?! Shit.....er....just hang on a sec....
Yeah, nah, California, that's the one I meant. Yeah, that's it, if the GOP can't get.....RCP has moved it back to 'Tossup'?? WTF? Even friggin' California.......
I....just give me a minute will you (mutter to myself as I desperately scan through RCP)...Nevada? No, scratch that one.....Illinois maybe, how's that one lookin? Oh, crap....er......Colorado? Meh, they're still in front though...Florida? Ugh, let's pretend that one doesn't exist......
West Viriginia! Er...that's the one I'm concerned about today...i mean, the one I've always been concerned about. Manchin was ten points up morons! I bet he's now up by twen........Margin of Error?!?!? Holy.....
(fist through keyboard, uncontrolled sobbing)
Hey guys? Just bear with me while I search for a race that's going my..er, I mean the Democrat's way, OK..........
Posted by: Grug at October 31, 2010 02:11 PM (Pelv9)
Posted by: Greg, the cheesy-mac is cold..... at October 31, 2010 02:11 PM (BSVaa)
Posted by: Y-not at October 31, 2010 02:11 PM (UcOiF)
shumer's going to get 80% of the vote and be a leader if harry loses.
NYer's are just so smart, they are stupid....
Posted by: curious at October 31, 2010 02:12 PM (p302b)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at October 31, 2010 02:12 PM (JcRgg)
Interesting post, a lot of good information. I look forward to the day when you are old enough to appreciate the use of punctuation to separate distinct ideas into sentences.
Posted by: stuiec at October 31, 2010 02:13 PM (chhYn)
NYer's are just so smart, they are stupid....
NY opposes the Obama agenda yet just keeps voting Dem, sometimes you can't fix stupid look to CT & possibly CA & WA
Posted by: YRM (The Youngest Commenter On Ace Who Has Big Pudding Plans For Tuesday) at October 31, 2010 02:13 PM (xQuuU)
Posted by: Zakn at October 31, 2010 02:14 PM (zyaZ1)
Posted by: stuiec at October 31, 2010 06:13 PM (chhYn)
lol sorry I try to keep up w/ the sometimes fast flow of comments here on ace and figured i'd hurry it up and catch up but found that I didn't miss much; I think i'd be a better blogger then a better commenter
Posted by: YRM (The Youngest Commenter On Ace Who Has Big Pudding Plans For Tuesday) at October 31, 2010 02:14 PM (xQuuU)
Posted by: Moi at October 31, 2010 02:16 PM (Ez4Ql)
Posted by: Nobody at October 31, 2010 02:17 PM (tcuMq)
the post has a pic of mayor mike and the newly redesigned ariana and the mosque iman
and one of my friends told me mayor mikey is suddenly wanting to go back to a two term limit...even he couldn't take himself in a third term
Posted by: curious at October 31, 2010 02:17 PM (p302b)
Posted by: Rajiv Vindaloo at October 31, 2010 02:17 PM (BZ2Bm)
Posted by: DngrMse at October 31, 2010 02:17 PM (ygIR/)
Technically, I think we have to win and hold some offices before we're more than purplish, but I think Brady's the guy to whip the state party into shape.
I'm telling you, Cook County Election Commissioner is the race to watch. If the GOP can't pick that one up there's no chance of a wave.
That would be ten kinds of awesome. The statewide races are better shots, by any rational measure. I keep hearing turnout in the suburbs is 3 times what it is in Chicago as far as early voting goes, so who knows. We're not expecting any rain or anything, but wind chill will be in the mid 40s all day, which might influence turnout.
Posted by: Intrade at October 31, 2010 02:17 PM (Ew1k4)
Posted by: Greg, the cheesy-mac is cold..... at October 31, 2010 02:17 PM (BSVaa)
My next door neighbor voted in Florida 22 today at 10:00 AM, and found an estimated 300 people in line when he arrived. Voting on Sunday is a big deal!
Posted by: Fish at October 31, 2010 02:19 PM (v1gw3)
election-projection is also known for being a reliable predictor of elections and currently have a GOP +62 in House (my prediction) and +8 in senate, that's a fucking wave
the biggest gains in the house since 1948 and a pickup of senate seats in states that voted for Obama (including Obama's own home state) and taking out the majority leader and that's not counting what might be upsets in WV, CA, & WA (2 states Obama won by double digits and 1 state who's Senate candidate is a popular Governor running against Obama)
Posted by: YRM (The Youngest Commenter On Ace Who Has Big Pudding Plans For Tuesday) at October 31, 2010 02:19 PM (xQuuU)
Posted by: Nighthawk at October 31, 2010 02:19 PM (UtQFs)
Posted by: nickless at October 31, 2010 02:20 PM (MMC8r)
You forgot "see the killscreen for Missile Command and Pac Man."
Posted by: Methos at October 31, 2010 02:20 PM (Ew1k4)
Let's not get our expectations too high. It's not like winning 60 seats would be a disappointment- it would still be very good. Anything over 55 points is just cake pudding.
Taking less than 50 would be a disappointment, but don't pretend that anything short of the dream scenario 100 seat pickup is a "loss".
Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 31, 2010 02:20 PM (plsiE)
The people he's speaking to wouldn't know what it was....might scare them.
Posted by: Tami at October 31, 2010 02:21 PM (VuLos)
Posted by: curious at October 31, 2010 02:21 PM (p302b)
Posted by: political correctness czar at October 31, 2010 02:21 PM (UPNlB)
Posted by: ChuckOH at October 31, 2010 02:21 PM (jUBAo)
Posted by: opus at October 31, 2010 02:22 PM (IebeI)
Posted by: YRM (The Youngest Commenter On Ace Who Has Big Pudding Plans For Tuesday) at October 31, 2010 02:22 PM (xQuuU)
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I don't agree with this reasoning. That forecast doesn't take into account that the Frank/Bielat race is highly publicized. Big media attention on these races obviously helps the republican challenger and very few other long-shot races have had that kind of attention. What matters is races that have been quiet, like the Kucinich contest.
Posted by: Serious Cat at October 31, 2010 02:23 PM (bAySe)
I'm content with pretty much anything that loses Dem control of the pursestrings and puts Nanzi's flat ass in the back benches.
Posted by: nickless at October 31, 2010 02:23 PM (MMC8r)
glen Beck looked uber kewl today in his "nifty sweater" (that's my dad's description when mom forces him to wear a sweater)
Posted by: curious at October 31, 2010 02:23 PM (p302b)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at October 31, 2010 02:24 PM (swuwV)
PERSONAL PEEVE: Been watching the POTUS speechifying for his candidates (as is his prerogative) the last few days and I have to ask- if he's going to wear a dress shirt and a suit jacket, is it too much to ask that HE WEAR A FREAKING TIE??!!
See, he's trying to show everyone he's just a regular Joe, just like all the other working stiffs.
That he's spent his life with everything handed to him on a silver platter without really having to work for it is just a minor detail.
Besides, the jacket and tie gets in the way of his golf swing.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 31, 2010 02:24 PM (plsiE)
You forgot "see the killscreen for Missile Command and Pac Man."
Posted by: Methos at October 31, 2010 06:20 PM (Ew1k4)
And beat the original Ghouls 'n Ghosts for the NES without pausing.
Posted by: Greg at October 31, 2010 02:24 PM (O2/Ya)
I too projected Repubs gain >90 seats in the house.
Posted by: NM Hick, member of the Big Effin Wave Club at October 31, 2010 02:24 PM (YWhoe)
Posted by: curious at October 31, 2010 02:24 PM (p302b)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at October 31, 2010 02:25 PM (swuwV)
"NYT LEAD MONDAY: Both parties see possibility of bigger Republican wins in House than either side was talking about -- even few days ago... Developing..."
Posted by: DngrMse at October 31, 2010 02:26 PM (ygIR/)
You forgot "see the killscreen for Missile Command and Pac Man."
Posted by: Methos at October 31, 2010 06:20 PM (Ew1k4)
If you want to see the Kill screen on Missile Command you should be listening to Rush - Tom Sawyer while playing it.
/Chuck reference.
Posted by: buzzion at October 31, 2010 02:26 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 31, 2010 02:26 PM (tJjm/)
I too projected Repubs gain >90 seats in the house.
Posted by: NM Hick, member of the Big Effin Wave Club at October 31, 2010 06:24 PM (YWhoe)
'Sup, dood?! Have you waxed your board, yet?
Posted by: Editor at October 31, 2010 02:26 PM (YX6i/)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 31, 2010 02:27 PM (tJjm/)
So some of their polls are good, but the "important" race polls are rigged, huh? No pollster wants their last result to be crap.
Posted by: Greg at October 31, 2010 02:27 PM (huyI8)
I agree. In fact, Third World dictator is always the look he's shooting for. Note aviator sunglasses and purple tie as well.
Posted by: Miss Marple at October 31, 2010 02:28 PM (aXJHp)
That needs to be embroidered on pillows and sold in the AoS Boutique. Anybody know how to do that or are we talking Chinese sweatshop children for a fast turn-around?
Posted by: Peaches at October 31, 2010 02:28 PM (zxpIo)
She keeps asking who will get the ax, what party will go away? the dems or the republicans...damn you msnbc why did you tell her stuff like this?
Posted by: curious at October 31, 2010 02:29 PM (p302b)
Posted by: nerdygirl at October 31, 2010 02:29 PM (6bnh9)
I'm content with pretty much anything that loses Dem control of the pursestrings and puts Nanzi's flat ass in the back benches.
Sure, but we do need a big enough lead to make up for the inevitable RINOs who so very much want to "compromise"* with Obama and the remaining Dems.
Also, the bigger the margin of our win, the longer we're likely to hold onto the House.
*And by "compromise", I mean bend over and squeal like a pig.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 31, 2010 02:29 PM (plsiE)
Posted by: SteveN at October 31, 2010 02:29 PM (7EV/g)
per PPP tweet...
"Our polling would suggest rumors of Joe Miller's demise have been greatly exaggerated. Close race, he's definitely still in it"
Isn't that the Kos pollster, too? And, isn't it true that write-in votes won't even be counted unless it looks like they may be a plurality? And, didn't the scrunt get an October surprise this morning?
I want to see her cry like the spoiled brat she is.
Posted by: Steph at October 31, 2010 02:30 PM (ZfkPl)
Posted by: stuiec at October 31, 2010 02:30 PM (chhYn)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 31, 2010 02:30 PM (tJjm/)
"I'm not feeling the same way about jon stewart...i feel like he isn't the least bit genuine..."
Do tell.
Posted by: Miss Marple at October 31, 2010 02:31 PM (aXJHp)
There comes a time
When we heed a certain call
When the right must come together as one
There are people lying
And it's time to lend a hand to truth
The greatest gift of all
We can't go on
Pretending day by day
That someone, somewhere will soon make a change
We are all a part of
God's great big family
And the truth, you know love is all we need
[Chorus]
We are the wave
We are the morons
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So let's start waving
There's a choice we're making
We're saving our own lives
It's true we'll make a better day
Just you and me
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 31, 2010 02:31 PM (zb9qo)
Nah, gerg is getting his poll results about 30 min early so he's media
Posted by: dagny at October 31, 2010 02:31 PM (yLCsy)
Affirmative Action is the most successful program ever initiated by government, and we're proud of its success in moving minorities into positions of power and prestige.
Posted by: Harry Reid, D-Nevada at October 31, 2010 02:31 PM (v1gw3)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 31, 2010 02:32 PM (tJjm/)
Posted by: Editor at October 31, 2010 06:26 PM (YX6i/)
Yeah, brah! Had to go find my long board. Forgot where I left it. Musta' been the Maui Wowie we toked up last time a storm hit.
Posted by: NM Hick, member of the Big Effin Wave Club at October 31, 2010 02:32 PM (YWhoe)
Hang on.
In a post above, Greg says "So you guys like that one, pay attention to the WV, WA, CA and PA polls they will be releasing soon."
It seems that Greg knows these PPP polls won't be good for the GOP, otherwise he wouldn't be demanding we "pay attention" to them. But how does he know this when the polls haven't been released yet? PPP is the Democrat pollster so how did he come by this insider information.......unless he's part of the Dem party machinery?
What's the story Greg?
Posted by: AussieMarcus at October 31, 2010 02:32 PM (Pelv9)
Posted by: YRM (The Youngest Commenter On Ace Who Has Big Pudding Plans For Tuesday) at October 31, 2010 02:32 PM (xQuuU)
Posted by: CNN Idiots at 9:00 Eastern at October 31, 2010 02:32 PM (wj+Hw)
per PPP tweet...
"Our polling would suggest rumors of Joe Miller's demise have been greatly exaggerated. Close race, he's definitely still in it"
Posted by: Steph at October 31, 2010 06:30 PM (ZfkPl)
Now come on, you're going to make Greg cry.
Posted by: robtr at October 31, 2010 02:33 PM (hVDig)
Posted by: Nighthawk at October 31, 2010 02:33 PM (UtQFs)
Posted by: JackRev at October 31, 2010 02:33 PM (vKJob)
Posted by: OBAMA'S BUS at October 31, 2010 02:34 PM (5qJM5)
Posted by: Rajiv Vindaloo at October 31, 2010 02:34 PM (BZ2Bm)
Posted by: Hapless Strikeout Victim at October 31, 2010 02:34 PM (3W1+C)
Posted by: stuiec at October 31, 2010 02:35 PM (chhYn)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2010 02:35 PM (VW9/y)
Posted by: Delta Smelt at October 31, 2010 02:35 PM (AZWim)
Dude, can I just eat my waffle?
Posted by: CNN Idiots at October 31, 2010 02:36 PM (wj+Hw)
Posted by: This Thread's obligatory Andrew Sullivan at October 31, 2010 02:36 PM (BZ2Bm)
Posted by: Greg in DC at October 31, 2010 02:36 PM (5qJM5)
Yeah, brah! Had to go find my long board. Forgot where I left it. Musta' been the Maui Wowie we toked up last time a storm hit.
Posted by: NM Hick, member of the Big Effin Wave Club at October 31, 2010 06:32 PM (YWhoe)
Yeah. '94 was gnarly. But, I think we're talking Waimea + Mavericks, this time. And I don't mean the likes of McCain. I'm talking Mark Foo.
Posted by: Editor at October 31, 2010 02:36 PM (YX6i/)
Posted by: stuiec at October 31, 2010 02:36 PM (chhYn)
Posted by: Greg, the cheesy-mac is cold..... at October 31, 2010 02:37 PM (BSVaa)
Uh Oh, not good news from the Conservative New York Times Greg.
NYT LEAD MONDAY: Both parties see possibility of bigger Republican wins in House than either side was talking about -- even few days ago... Developing...
From Drudge
Posted by: robtr at October 31, 2010 02:37 PM (hVDig)
Posted by: OBAMA'S BUS at October 31, 2010 06:34 PM (5qJM5)
They haven't fallen off. Its just that so many people have been thrown under you they no longer touch the ground.
Posted by: buzzion at October 31, 2010 02:37 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 31, 2010 02:37 PM (tJjm/)
How will we contain our enthusiasm until Tuesday night?
I just don't see it happening, personally. I have a fridge full of pudding courtesy of SIL#1 and am planning a big trip to the liquor store tomorrow.
Ace, you are live-blogging this, aren't you?
Aren't you?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 31, 2010 02:37 PM (3jxR/)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2010 02:38 PM (VW9/y)
Posted by: Rajiv Vindaloo at October 31, 2010 02:38 PM (BZ2Bm)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at October 31, 2010 02:38 PM (swuwV)
The way I read it, my 63-seat prediction requires Republicans to win all races in which they're now behind by 1. I can live with that.
A 100-seat pickup requires winning all down-11 races. Not likely. Let's not set the bar too high.
Posted by: schizuki at October 31, 2010 02:38 PM (M+lbD)
Posted by: Greg, the cheesy-mac is cold..... at October 31, 2010 02:38 PM (BSVaa)
Posted by: OBAMA'S BUS at October 31, 2010 06:34 PM (5qJM5)
The wheels on the bus come flying off,
Flying off, flying off....
Posted by: stuiec
at October 31, 2010 06:36 PM (chhYn)
We're ummmmmmmm, we're uhhhhhhhhh, going...too...fast...down, uhhhhhhhh...that next HILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!11!! eleventy!!!
Posted by: Panic On OBAMA'S BUS at October 31, 2010 02:38 PM (5qJM5)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 31, 2010 02:39 PM (tJjm/)
Posted by: curious at October 31, 2010 06:29 PM (p302b)
Tell her it will be the dems that get the boot. Maybe she'll shut up after that.
Posted by: Steph at October 31, 2010 02:39 PM (ZfkPl)
Like, I mean, we can do things about that now, yannow?
Posted by: Kim Kardashian at October 31, 2010 02:41 PM (8zlLq)
How will we contain our enthusiasm until Tuesday night?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 31, 2010 06:37 PM (3jxR/)
I'm not going to be able to. I have the defibrillator ready to go, but the wife's not home at the moment, so I'm trying to hold out long enough for her to return.
Posted by: Editor at October 31, 2010 02:41 PM (YX6i/)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 31, 2010 02:41 PM (tJjm/)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 31, 2010 02:43 PM (tJjm/)
Super Wave???...is that like Captain America and Aquaman? They're both AWESOME!!!
Posted by: The Pain of Palin Steele (comic book aficionado) at October 31, 2010 02:43 PM (5qJM5)
Everyone thought they were funny and I know I made some people think...and I know a lot of people forwarded my email to their friends...so that was a good "days work" today...
Posted by: curious at October 31, 2010 02:43 PM (p302b)
Posted by: your friend, joe at October 31, 2010 02:45 PM (p302b)
Posted by: End of times wave at October 31, 2010 02:45 PM (Ceb/w)
Posted by: Greg, the cheesy-mac is cold..... at October 31, 2010 02:45 PM (BSVaa)
Posted by: Stan at October 31, 2010 02:46 PM (N1Gru)
Posted by: NM Hick, member of the Big Effin Wave Club at October 31, 2010 02:48 PM (YWhoe)
Posted by: Tami at October 31, 2010 02:48 PM (VuLos)
Posted by: Zakn at October 31, 2010 02:48 PM (zyaZ1)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 31, 2010 02:49 PM (tJjm/)
Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Pro Debate Team at October 31, 2010 02:51 PM (eCAn3)
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 31, 2010 02:51 PM (zb9qo)
Posted by: curious at October 31, 2010 02:51 PM (p302b)
And Mega Man!
And yes, buzzion, I have to admit that episode of Chuck was the only reason I know about "killscreens."
Posted by: Methos at October 31, 2010 02:51 PM (Ew1k4)
Posted by: tims472 at October 31, 2010 02:51 PM (kzxY7)
You just know we'll all be insufferable until the very last drop of Valu-Rite and pudding is gone, sometime late Wednesday night.
Ther very best part of this will be my smug satisfaction when I go to a gig with my lib musical friends. They know how much of a political junkie I am. I might even tell a couple of them about my blog that I keep secret.
This kind of shock just might bring a few of them around to that wonderful thing called "reality". What a concept!
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 31, 2010 02:52 PM (3jxR/)
Posted by: picturerock at October 31, 2010 02:53 PM (xhDNS)
Posted by: political correctness czar at October 31, 2010 02:55 PM (UPNlB)
Hey!! Be generous with your own genitals, dude. I have standards and I will lick my own balls, thank you very much.
Posted by: UncleFacts's Canine Companion at October 31, 2010 02:55 PM (zxpIo)
Posted by: Rajiv Vindaloo at October 31, 2010 02:55 PM (BZ2Bm)
Prepare the puddings!
Posted by: Y-not at October 31, 2010 06:53 PM (UcOiF)
ah-hem...for you or for him?
Posted by: Steph at October 31, 2010 02:55 PM (ZfkPl)
Posted by: mrp at October 31, 2010 02:56 PM (HjPtV)
To give Greg something to read?
Posted by: Y-not at October 31, 2010 02:57 PM (UcOiF)
Notice nothing was said about the Senate. I've NEVER said the momentum in the House races was stalled. I've always focused on the floundering Senate races.
Posted by: Greg at October 31, 2010 02:57 PM (huyI8)
Posted by: AussieMarcus at October 31, 2010 02:58 PM (Pelv9)
Posted by: Greg at October 31, 2010 06:57 PM (huyI
again coming up short in the senate doesn't mean it's not a wave election dumbass, look to 1930 as a great example
Posted by: YRM (The Youngest Commenter On Ace Who Has Big Pudding Plans For Tuesday) at October 31, 2010 02:59 PM (xQuuU)
Posted by: Greg at October 31, 2010 02:59 PM (huyI8)
Posted by: Mindy at October 31, 2010 03:02 PM (WugQm)
Suicide watch --
Greater on Tues. night for the libtards?
-or -
Greater in the days following Michael Jackson's death by all his pathetic fans?
Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 31, 2010 03:02 PM (YOqW8)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2010 03:02 PM (VW9/y)
Posted by: Oldcat at October 31, 2010 03:02 PM (CN+Qv)
Could. Not. Stop. Laughing.
Posted by: Peaches at October 31, 2010 03:02 PM (zxpIo)
Posted by: GrumpyUnk at October 31, 2010 03:02 PM (TkQ9R)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at October 31, 2010 03:03 PM (JcRgg)
Because Greg is a concerned conservative who will be voting a straight R ticket in Wisconsin (except for a sheriff candidate whom the progressives have labeled a fake Democrat). And we know this is true because, although he has never espoused a single conservative belief, nor has he ever endorsed a single conservative candidate, he tells us so.
And Greg, like Leary, would never lie to us.
Well, here's the thing. Cards on the table time. Tell us why you're voting for Johnson over Feingold, Walker over Barrett, and whoever the hell you claim you're voting for in your Congressional district or I'm finished reading your posts.
Posted by: Y-not at October 31, 2010 03:03 PM (UcOiF)
Posted by: Mindy at October 31, 2010 07:02 PM (WugQm)
Great news. Used to know a managing editor, over there. Good people.
Posted by: Editor at October 31, 2010 03:03 PM (YX6i/)
You know what this means, don't you?
We need to make a drink just for this occasion.
Essential ingredients include Valu-Rite, and um, something chocolate, either liquor or pudding, perhaps with a flaming top to honor Quenchy.
Let the competition begin!
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 31, 2010 03:03 PM (3jxR/)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 31, 2010 03:03 PM (tJjm/)
Posted by: chemjeff at October 31, 2010 03:04 PM (gx/7q)
Posted by: political correctness czar at October 31, 2010 06:55 PM (UPNlB)
They seem to be region specific probably based on IP. I've currently got anti-Ted Strickland ads up. I've also seen pro-Strickland ads appear.
Posted by: buzzion at October 31, 2010 03:04 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: Downfall Hitler's Last Parody at October 31, 2010 03:04 PM (H6lGz)
Posted by: / at October 31, 2010 06:49 PM (p302b)
Even Clevelanders are giving him the heave-ho.
Fuck 'im.
Posted by: ErikW at October 31, 2010 03:04 PM (hex3W)
Posted by: HondaV65 at October 31, 2010 03:04 PM (F8kve)
No you're not. Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2010 07:02 PM
---
I see what you did there.
Posted by: Y-not at October 31, 2010 03:04 PM (UcOiF)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 31, 2010 03:05 PM (tJjm/)
Anyone else notice how Greg has steadily upped his definition of what constitutes a "wave", as the polls have moved further to the GOP??
A couple of weeks ago, it was "meh, they'll win only 40-50 house and 5 Senate seats. Big deal, no wave, they should be winning 50-60 seats".
Then last week it became "only 50-60 House and 6-7 Senate seats. So what. That's not a wave, they should be going for 70 seats".
Now it seems to be "70 House seats and 8 Senate isn't a wave, they need to win 80-90 seats plus every close Senate race."
I like Greg. There's something amusing about a troll who can't even pretend to keep his own bullshit straight.
Posted by: AussieMarcus at October 31, 2010 03:06 PM (Pelv9)
That's an excellent idea!
Might make a good addition to the Moron(ette) Cookbook and Cheese Cake Calendars.
Posted by: Y-not at October 31, 2010 03:06 PM (UcOiF)
Excellent. Love Doc Zero. He deserves better than the sidebar at a dying blog.
Posted by: Peaches at October 31, 2010 03:06 PM (zxpIo)
We need to make a drink just for this occasion.
Essential ingredients include Valu-Rite, and um, something chocolate, either liquor or pudding, perhaps with a flaming top to honor Quenchy.
Let the competition begin!
Okay here's my candidate (substitute Val-U-Rite for the Grey Goose)
Posted by: chemjeff at October 31, 2010 03:07 PM (gx/7q)
Posted by: Y-not at October 31, 2010 06:57 PM (UcOiF)
You are going to need more pudding, like a gallon.
Posted by: Holger at October 31, 2010 03:07 PM (V9Q+f)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 31, 2010 03:07 PM (tJjm/)
Posted by: Y-not at October 31, 2010 03:07 PM (UcOiF)
Posted by: Oldcat at October 31, 2010 07:02 PM (CN+Qv)
And amazing, too, that 55 wins, only, in the house would not be part of a wave. Seems to me there has been much discussion from Greg about House races. Now, he's just talking about Senate races.
Posted by: Steph at October 31, 2010 03:07 PM (ZfkPl)
The Tuesday Tsunami. Ingredients: the blood of patriots with a generous splash of lib tears. Shaken, not stirred.
Posted by: Peaches at October 31, 2010 03:09 PM (zxpIo)
People have noticed that Greg keeps moving the Goal Posts.
Posted by: Holger at October 31, 2010 03:09 PM (V9Q+f)
Posted by: chemjeff at October 31, 2010 03:10 PM (gx/7q)
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 31, 2010 06:51 PM (zb9qo)
I think game time is 8:00 pm eastern.
Posted by: NM Hick, member of the Big Effin Wave Club at October 31, 2010 03:12 PM (YWhoe)
People have noticed that Greg keeps moving the Goal Posts.
Posted by: Holger at October 31, 2010 07:09 PM (V9Q+f)
He's slowly moving it so it no longer about how many seats are actually won but what the margin of victory actually is. Like if it really was a wave Angle would have won by 8 rather than 3. Stuff like that.
Posted by: buzzion at October 31, 2010 03:13 PM (oVQFe)
'Wish we still had a hot tub.
We're renting this place and I'm not sure the landlord would be too keen on me filling up the bathtub.
Posted by: Y-not at October 31, 2010 03:13 PM (UcOiF)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 31, 2010 03:13 PM (3jxR/)
Essential ingredients include Valu-Rite, and um, something chocolate, either liquor or pudding, perhaps with a flaming top to honor Quenchy.
Let the competition begin!
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 31, 2010 07:03 PM (3jxR/)
Chocolate martinis for me. And, since this will be, probably, one of the biggest elections in my lifetime, I will be substituting the Valu-Rite for Goose. Plus adding lots & lots of cherries.
Posted by: Steph at October 31, 2010 03:14 PM (ZfkPl)
Posted by: Peaches at October 31, 2010 07:09 PM (zxpIo)
David Brooks will ad seltzer to it and call it "Unexpected".
Posted by: Editor at October 31, 2010 03:14 PM (YX6i/)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 31, 2010 03:15 PM (tJjm/)
Okay here's my candidate (substitute Val-U-Rite for the Grey Goose)
Posted by: chemjeff at October 31, 2010 07:07 PM (gx/7q)
Jeebus...I don't want to be comatose before the EC races are called.
Posted by: Steph at October 31, 2010 03:16 PM (ZfkPl)
Nope. In politics, a win is a win. Doesn't matter if it's a narrow 1 pt win or a Paul in KY blowout.
And in response to the poster who wondered how I knew what PPP might show, I'm sure others here have sources, as well. From what I understand, they really are working on the partisan breakdowns/weighting, so they get the results right (they had the raw numbers earlier). They want to be better than Rasmussen this cycle.
Posted by: Greg at October 31, 2010 03:17 PM (huyI8)
Posted by: rrpjr at October 31, 2010 03:17 PM (pHaEX)
Yep, expect him to start spinning as fast as a nuclear centrifuge. We unseat people like Fwank and the frigging Senate Majority Leader but if we do it by 3% it isn't a victory for us.
On election day, he won't be fucking that chicken. The chicken will be fucking him.
Posted by: Holger at October 31, 2010 03:18 PM (V9Q+f)
Posted by: Greg at October 31, 2010 07:17 PM (huyI
hey asshole, again look to the 1930 senate elections
Posted by: YRM (The Youngest Commenter On Ace Who Has Big Pudding Plans For Tuesday) at October 31, 2010 03:19 PM (xQuuU)
Posted by: Greg at October 31, 2010 07:17 PM (huyI
They don't have it in them. But, then again, since you are from KOS, I'm sure you want to believe that.
Posted by: Steph at October 31, 2010 03:20 PM (ZfkPl)
Prove you're a conservative and not a moby.
Tell us why you're voting for Johnson over Feingold, Walker over Barrett, and whoever the hell you claim you're voting for in your Congressional district.
Posted by: Y-not at October 31, 2010 03:20 PM (UcOiF)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 31, 2010 03:22 PM (YOqW8)
Posted by: torabora at October 31, 2010 03:23 PM (IblyN)
why do you guys find it so hard to believe that someone who doesn't agree with you on everything isn't some concern troll or an undercover agent from Kos?
Enough with the fucking echo chamber in here. It's getting like DU.
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 31, 2010 03:23 PM (zb9qo)
Posted by: Ronster at October 31, 2010 03:25 PM (9q4PA)
I am sure Barney Frank has won past elections by double digit margins. But if we only beat him by 3-4 percent it isn't a wave. Despite the fact that the difference between this election and the last election is double digits.
Posted by: Holger at October 31, 2010 03:25 PM (V9Q+f)
Kahleeeforneeeha's budget is counting on $5.3 billion in bail-out money.
*inset long pause here*
Bwahaaaaa!
Posted by: torabora at October 31, 2010 03:26 PM (IblyN)
*Without a Horse
Posted by: Greg at October 31, 2010 06:07 PM (O2/Ya)
Look, its not because I can run fast ok? Quit askin!
Posted by: A man called Horse at October 31, 2010 03:26 PM (FIDMq)
Now show us your boobs!
(Seriously, thanks. This site wouldn't be what it is without you)
Posted by: Ombudsman at October 31, 2010 03:27 PM (c1oyg)
They don't have it in them. But, then again, since you are from KOS, I'm sure you want to believe that.
Posted by: Steph at October 31, 2010 07:20 PM (ZfkPl)
They can just lie about how accurate they were. Its not like the MSM will actually check.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 31, 2010 03:27 PM (CN+Qv)
Notice nothing was said about the Senate. I've NEVER said the momentum in the House races was stalled. I've always focused on the floundering Senate races.
I'm probably giving you more respect than you deserve, but there's been little change in Republican prospects for taking the Senate- it's always been a longshot.
About all that's changed in the past month is whether we need to win 4 of 4 toss-up races, 5 of 6, or 6 of 7.
The difference between holding 50 seats or 48 seats is negligible given that we'd need 51 seats to overcome the Slow Joe tiebreaker. While possible, almost everyone has acknowledged that it's unlikely.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 31, 2010 03:27 PM (plsiE)
However, not all of these polls can be wrong so if the reality doesn't match expectations, I'm going to be asking questions, like just how bad is vote fraud in
places like Washington state?
Hope we can get somebody in the GOP interested in doing something about the vote fraud. A few high profile cases would go a long way toward restoring confidence.
What I do know for a fact is that the Democrats are wailing loud and hard and they ain't acting. I'm keyed up now just to see how bad it just might be.
House: 68+
Senate: 49-49 split
... but a whole lot of state legislatures and governors' mansions will have gone red and that bodes well for the future.
Posted by: Full Moon at October 31, 2010 03:27 PM (DtbEv)
These predictions are getting absurd. And Nate Silver's an ass.
The only one I trust is Michael Barone. The rest of them sound like the stock pickers who use Technical Analysis to pull stock picks/prices out of their asses.
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 31, 2010 03:28 PM (zb9qo)
I'll be interested to look at their results when they release them. You are correct about not wanting their last result to be crap.
Makes the GOTV push all the more critical.
Having said that, I'm completely satisfied with the GOP taking the House and gaining seats in the Senate. This election is all about stopping the bleeding.
Posted by: The Oracle at October 31, 2010 03:28 PM (F6+/O)
Enough with the fucking echo chamber in here. It's getting like DU.
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 31, 2010 07:23 PM (zb9qo)
Because he is a troll.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 31, 2010 03:28 PM (CN+Qv)
oh.my.gawd.
pls go watch the reason youtube link at HA from the rally yesterday.
wow. full on retard.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 31, 2010 03:30 PM (YOqW8)
I think that needs to be stressed at the state level, our SOS has run on keeping fraud to a minimum in MI...even is a racist against zombies as she want to agressively purge the rolls of the dead
Posted by: Lt.Kilgore at October 31, 2010 03:30 PM (FIDMq)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 31, 2010 07:22 PM (YOqW
Oh, buuuurrn... I think? Can't tell. I'm pretty sure that's a burn. It's a burn, right?
Posted by: Editor at October 31, 2010 03:30 PM (YX6i/)
OK, here's a real-world version:
* 2 1/2 oz top-shelf gin (Bombay Sapphire, Hendricks,...)
* 1 oz Tuaca liqueur
* 1/2 oz red (sweet) vermouth
* 1 lemon twist for garnish
Store the gin in your freezer so it's nice and cold before mixing.
Posted by: NM Hick, member of the Big Effin Wave Club at October 31, 2010 03:31 PM (YWhoe)
why do you guys find it so hard to believe that someone who doesn't agree with you on everything isn't some concern troll or an undercover agent from Kos?
Enough with the fucking echo chamber in here. It's getting like DU.
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 31, 2010 07:23 PM
---
You're joking, right?
Greg is a moby. And not a very good one at that.
Posted by: Y-not at October 31, 2010 03:31 PM (UcOiF)
I say write it with sharpie on pillow cases....
Posted by: EZB at October 31, 2010 03:31 PM (fa9yq)
@253
You seriously reckon Greg is really a die-hard conservative who just happens to believe one of the (possible) greatest gains in history is no big deal? And only seems to be interested in races where the GOP is not ahead, and those polls that give the best possible result for the Dems? (And whose interest in said states and polls seems to change from day to day depending on which results look best for the Dems at the time?)
Posted by: AussieMarcus at October 31, 2010 03:31 PM (Pelv9)
Posted by: Holger at October 31, 2010 03:32 PM (V9Q+f)
why do you guys find it so hard to believe that someone who doesn't agree with you on everything isn't some concern troll or an undercover agent from Kos?
Enough with the fucking echo chamber in here. It's getting like DU.
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 31, 2010 07:23 PM (zb9qo)
There's a difference between disagreeing on certain issues and not being in lock step with others and the only post you are capable of making being about polls and declaring that there is no wave. That has been the extent of greg's commentary here. This is how a greg post typically goes.
"Obscure poll by small polling firm no one has heard of has Republican lead dropping to only 4 points. There is no wave"
And that's it. Its not about disagreement. His posts have become as worthless as raykon shouting constantly about "cons why must I pay for your kids school." If we can call that shit trolling we can call greg's shit trolling.
Posted by: buzzion at October 31, 2010 03:32 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 31, 2010 03:32 PM (YOqW8)
Greg is a moby.
Can I get the AoSHQ definition of moby...it seems to vary from place to place? Thank you
Posted by: Lt.Kilgore at October 31, 2010 03:32 PM (FIDMq)
Posted by: Y-not at October 31, 2010 07:31 PM (UcOiF)
I'd say he's more of a dick than a moby.
Posted by: Tami at October 31, 2010 03:32 PM (VuLos)
This is Greg we are talking about. Every fucking day he comes in here and says "Wave? What wave? Look, this poll from Eastern Nowhere State University says Reid is up by 10!!!!!" His purpose appears mainly to dispirit and dishearten us. He is our version of Tokyo Rose.
Posted by: chemjeff at October 31, 2010 03:33 PM (gx/7q)
Enough with the fucking echo chamber in here. It's getting like DU.
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 31, 2010 07:23 PM (zb9qo)
Because he is a troll, and most likely from Kos.
And who are you to say enough is enough of anything?
Posted by: Steph at October 31, 2010 03:33 PM (ZfkPl)
Posted by: greg at October 31, 2010 03:34 PM (BSVaa)
Posted by: Full Moon at October 31, 2010 07:27 PM (DtbEv)
Very bad. But then it always is. What is probably true is that we have less than normal to fear because the Dems have more work to do and are too dispirited to make the effort.
My guess is that most of the difference in voting splits between normally solid Democratic groups (Liberal Jewish, Gays, Registered Democrat) whcih is about 75 to 80 percent and the black vote (90+) is due to voter fraud in the inner cities.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 31, 2010 03:35 PM (CN+Qv)
I wonder....
Posted by: MrScribbler at October 31, 2010 03:35 PM (Ulu3i)
We ain't got no problem whatsoever with vote fraud in Washington State.
Posted by: Zombie King County Voters at October 31, 2010 03:35 PM (gx/7q)
A moby to what end? What's his scam at AoS?
Is he gonna swing an election by posting dumb polls in our comment threads? Really? Come on.
Disagree with him. Argue with him. But the astroturf/conspiracy theories are too much.
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 31, 2010 03:36 PM (zb9qo)
Honestly, let's not be squeamish about it!
Posted by: NM Hick, member of the Big Effin Wave Club at October 31, 2010 03:36 PM (YWhoe)
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 31, 2010 07:36 PM (zb9qo)
He just posts his posts and leaves. That's what trolls do.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 31, 2010 03:38 PM (CN+Qv)
Is he gonna swing an election by posting dumb polls in our comment threads? Really? Come on.
Disagree with him. Argue with him. But the astroturf/conspiracy theories are too much.
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 31, 2010 07:36 PM (zb9qo)
Why don't you ask Ace? He seems to see it the same way we do.
Posted by: Steph at October 31, 2010 03:39 PM (ZfkPl)
Posted by: Ombudsman at October 31, 2010 03:40 PM (c1oyg)
Well, you can always deliver treats to houses that have Democrat signs.... (j/k)
Posted by: chemjeff at October 31, 2010 03:40 PM (gx/7q)
Posted by: Beavis and Butthead at October 31, 2010 03:41 PM (Vt+Kg)
Well, the guy only showed up here in the past few weeks and his only posts, ever, are "the Republicans are not going to win as much as you think and it won't constitute a wave."
That and it's just too convenient that he happens to know absolutely every detail that might make a case for his argument, but not the contradictory aspects (unless you call him on it). There's just too much of that to be inadvertent.
Posted by: AD at October 31, 2010 03:41 PM (O2/Ya)
Why can't they all be wrong?
While I may not be a pollster, I think the professionals would agree with me that there's more art than science to polling, particular when you poll a region with which you aren't intimately familiar. I also don't think this election cycle is anything at all like anyone alive has experienced before.
Expect surprises.
Posted by: NM Hick, member of the Big Effin Wave Club at October 31, 2010 03:44 PM (YWhoe)
The funny part is most "Greg" comments aren't even by the real Greg.
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 31, 2010 07:39 PM (zb9qo)
Most people are aware of which is the real troll and sockpuppet. And anytime he is quoted and you see the smiley face at the end that is the real poll troll.
The only time the issue of people mistaking a sockpuppet for a troll is when they try and pull off the straightman sockpuppet and actually try to legitimately impersonate the troll.
Posted by: buzzion at October 31, 2010 03:44 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: Greggy Weggy at October 31, 2010 03:45 PM (gx/7q)
A)We know Axelrod pays people to generate astroturf and Greg, being one of the very few commenters to use a normal name, and having appeared solely for the purpose of spreading demoralizing polls (whether they're bullshit or not) rather than shooting the shit on the ONT or other palate-cleaner threads (even the original palin steele managed that), and having the capacity to express himself in functioning English (as opposed to say Raykon), is the best candidate for the job.
B)Ace threatened to ban him over his banal trolling. Which, if nothing else, authorized us to fire at will.
Posted by: Methos at October 31, 2010 03:45 PM (Ew1k4)
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 31, 2010 07:36 PM
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If he's arguing a different point of view, fine. But he's doing so dishonestly. He's saying he's voting a straight R ticket (with the exception of a D candidate whom the WI progressives have singled out as a fake D), but gives zero evidence that this is true.
And he does do damage, because occasional readers and lurkers who haven't followed his schtick for the past several weeks will occasionally pop up and say "hey, why does this guy know something we don't know?" The point of his schtick is to suppress voter enthusiasm and waste our time in the process. So that's why he needs to be called out on every thread as a moby (or troll, if you like), so the naive and uninitiated won't take him and the bogus crap he posts seriously.
And as someone else pointed out, we all have our points of view and hot buttons, but this guy only posts about one topic: there is no wave. He has no other interests... really? He's in WI (supposedly) where Feingold is about to lose and he never posts anything about that. Not happy about it... seriously? This guy is a conservative. Sure.
Why pretend to be a conservative?
Personally, I don't care if he's getting paid by some campaign or activist group or if he's just doing this for attention... and I don't know that anyone else cares either. He's a waste of oxygen and he's a dishonest waste of oxygen.
Posted by: Y-not at October 31, 2010 03:45 PM (UcOiF)
On Monday morning, the democrat party will deliver by FedEx a large tube of KY-Jelly to each democrat office holder, consultant, and liberal media spinner to lessen the pain of the conservative butt fucking that begins on Tuesday night.
Posted by: Pat Caddell, Dem Pollster at October 31, 2010 03:46 PM (v1gw3)
"hypocrites...." either he or levin said that....
Posted by: curious at October 31, 2010 03:47 PM (p302b)
>>Anyone else notice how Greg has steadily upped his definition of what constitutes a "wave", as the polls have moved further to the GOP??
It's not a "wave" unless the GOP has its own space program
Posted by: greggy at October 31, 2010 03:48 PM (SMqnS)
I dunno, I think the polls showing Republicans down a few points can only encourage turnout to put them over the top.
The least thing we need is a poll in, say, NV, showing Angle 10 points ahead. People might not even bother to vote.
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 31, 2010 03:48 PM (zb9qo)
Posted by: Berserker at October 31, 2010 03:48 PM (gWHrG)
One data point.
Posted by: william wilson at October 31, 2010 03:49 PM (M+OJB)
Posted by: Berserker at October 31, 2010 03:49 PM (gWHrG)
Oh, he did. He posted about Feingold making up lost ground and that the Republican was going to lose. Oddly enough, lately he hasn't been mentioning that race for some strange reason.
Posted by: AD at October 31, 2010 03:49 PM (O2/Ya)
Just got back from a party in L.A. While driving on Melrose Ave. saw an Obama front group sign and had to laugh. What a witches brew the west side is and especially today where they close off most of Hollywood for the freak show of a Halloween parade.
We of course got behind an SUV with anti-religious stickers with a driver dressed with horns, and this was at 2PM this afternoon.
Ah, Tuesday we'll throw out the key of Freak's political tribe and restore some much needed sanity.
Posted by: journolist at October 31, 2010 03:50 PM (O/NP5)
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 31, 2010 07:48 PM (zb9qo)
Who in there right mind would base their decision to vote based on a poll? I dont trust polls period.
Has anybody heard anything from Pelousy recently about holding the house?
Posted by: Lt.Kilgore at October 31, 2010 03:51 PM (FIDMq)
yeah I know someone said to me they have "things in place" to make sure they aren't messed up by that but really how can you read minds...
for my money I'm holding my breathe that my smug dem/lib friends who are still insisting that the drudge headline is a joke and on wednesday nanny will still be the majority leader....will be wrong...and mortified.
Posted by: curious at October 31, 2010 03:51 PM (p302b)
But that's not his only schtick. In fact, that's not really his main schtick.
His schtick is to say that nothing will have changed after the elections, even if the Rs win the House and gain 7 or 8 seats in the Senate. He wants people to believe that voting doesn't matter and elections don't matter.
He's not just arguing polls. He's arguing the meaning of the elections.
That does suppress votes because it makes people less enthusiastic about participating.
Posted by: Y-not at October 31, 2010 03:51 PM (UcOiF)
Good stuff, ww. I am also in SoCal and my ballot is all filled out except for Gov., which I am having a major problem with. I figure the ink won't even be dry on that one when I drop it off Tuesday morning. And whichever one I mark will give me no satisfaction whatever.
Posted by: Peaches at October 31, 2010 03:52 PM (zxpIo)
This election will be a reminder for liberals who booed conservatives at the Paul Wellstone funeral that we elephants never forget.
Posted by: Fish at October 31, 2010 03:52 PM (v1gw3)
Posted by: Fish at October 31, 2010 07:52 PM (v1gw3)
The absolute nadir of American politics in my lifetime
Posted by: Ombudsman at October 31, 2010 03:54 PM (c1oyg)
Posted by: greg at October 31, 2010 03:54 PM (BSVaa)
Really? I missed that. Thanks for pointing that out, AD.
To me he blew it when he was unable to maintain the fakey persona of being "sad" about all of these races that "we" were going to lose. That happened a couple of weeks ago.
I prefer a regular troll who is honest about being a lib, even if they are assholes, over a person who sits there and lies to me about their POV.
Posted by: Y-not at October 31, 2010 03:55 PM (UcOiF)
Posted by: Delta Smelt at October 31, 2010 03:55 PM (AZWim)
One data point.
And two left coast libtards converted whomped viciously about the head and shoulders by reality.
Tee hee. I can't wait until Tuesday.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 31, 2010 03:56 PM (3jxR/)
for my money I'm holding my breathe that my smug dem/lib friends who are still insisting that the drudge headline is a joke and on wednesday nanny will still be the majority leader....will be wrong...and mortified.
Posted by: curious at October 31, 2010 07:51 PM (p302b)
Curious, you need to ask your friends to tell you the name of their dealer or what color is the sky in their world when they say that stuff. Seriously start pointing out that they are delusional in these beliefs everytime they say them. If this is your outlet to talk about your "friends" then you are doing neither them or yourself any favors, by not expressing you views to them
Posted by: buzzion at October 31, 2010 03:57 PM (oVQFe)
You guys really shouldn't get so angry about Greg. He can't even keep his own bullshit straight 90% of the time, so just embrace the humour that his desperate flip-flopping provides for us.
Posted by: AussieMarcus at October 31, 2010 03:57 PM (Pelv9)
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I started making Tea Party Martinis this week.
Absolut Boston Vodka (black tea and elderflower)
Lemon Juice (for that gadsden flag yellow color)
Simple Syrup
Pretty good, actually.
Posted by: JohnnyEk at October 31, 2010 04:00 PM (mhmc7)
Posted by: JohnnyEk at October 31, 2010 08:00 PM (mhmc7)
Just add a curvy stir stick for a snake
Posted by: Lt.Kilgore at October 31, 2010 04:02 PM (FIDMq)
One data point.
Posted by: william wilson at October 31, 2010 07:49 PM (M+OJB)
OK, just thinking outside the box a little here.
Combine that anecdote with the recent link somewhere in the conservative reaches of the intertubes of an anti-Dem ad sponsored by union members -- not a union, but union members. Then think about how a rank and file union member might respond to a telephone call from a pollster. I don't think they would answer honestly, do you? They'd be more likely to regurgitate the union line since there's a real possibility that it's a fake poll, actually a union checking up on their members' fidelity.
So, in my out-there analysis, the polls could be way off in areas where the unions are particularly strong, like Las Vegas for instance.
Posted by: NM Hick, member of the Big Effin Wave Club at October 31, 2010 04:03 PM (YWhoe)
Posted by: Steven W. at October 31, 2010 04:05 PM (SxXOu)
The fact of the matter is that Feingold WAS making up ground. Feingold had just released his Social Security ad (where he knocks the toys off the table...Social Security is off the table, get it?), and then Johnson responded with a kind of sequel to the brilliant "white board" ad, which was the only flat ad of his campaign and his lead went down to about 3-4 pts in internals. The Johnson campaign immediately dropped the "white board sequel" and went back to jobs and business climate ads and a great ad making light of Feingold calling himself a maverick. The numbers went back up and stabilized and that's where we are.
Back at the time, I posted about his internals showing the 3-4 pt lead when the St Norbert poll was released. And I also said the internals before that had the race vacillating between 5-7 pts, which is where things stand now, btw.
Posted by: Greg at October 31, 2010 04:06 PM (huyI8)
Posted by: NM Hick, member of the Big Effin Wave Club at October 31, 2010 04:06 PM (YWhoe)
Posted by: Steven W. at October 31, 2010 08:05 PM (SxXOu)
You deserve combat pay for watching that shit.
Posted by: Ombudsman at October 31, 2010 04:08 PM (c1oyg)
Opening pitch 8:30 ET. National Anthem right now. Lyle Lovett!! Woot!
Posted by: Peaches at October 31, 2010 04:09 PM (zxpIo)
If she does, we can thank Ms. Palin. Diddier, Tea Party hard heads, all that...
Posted by: Barbarian at October 31, 2010 04:10 PM (EL+OC)
Duuuude, whats this wave people have been talkin about for weeks now, my board is waxed and ready...which beach?
Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at October 31, 2010 04:10 PM (FIDMq)
Posted by: Pelayo at October 31, 2010 04:11 PM (V9Q+f)
Posted by: Peaches at October 31, 2010 04:12 PM (zxpIo)
Posted by: Pelayo at October 31, 2010 04:12 PM (V9Q+f)
I hit that.
Posted by: Julia Roberts at October 31, 2010 08:11 PM (zxpIo)
Never got her at all. By Hollywood standards, she's homely. And I'm not impressed with her acting chops
Posted by: Ombudsman at October 31, 2010 04:13 PM (c1oyg)
Posted by: TEE866 at October 31, 2010 04:14 PM (nO7Mi)
He's not just arguing polls. He's arguing the meaning of the elections. "
That's bull***. Voting matters and elections matter. And since they matter, you better make hay if the electorate is favorable to your cause (stopping Obama in this case). And if you leave seats on the table because of underperformed the national environment, that is inexcusable. Boxer was ready to be beaten this year. She won't be. Harry Reid should be down by double digits. He could actually win (and early voting results aren't bad for him at all), believe it or not. WV should have turned Red, but an idiotic casting call for "hicks" changed the course of that race. I'm not even going to get into the DE race, because I would have voted for O'Donnell, to be honest. But the first ad she runs is "I'm not a witch!!" I actually think she'll close strong and lose by single digits. But that seat was given away, too.
If you have the structural advantages the GOP does the year, you better get historical results because you will never have a chance like this again.
Posted by: Greg at October 31, 2010 04:15 PM (huyI8)
what a throw mr. bush!
Posted by: curious at October 31, 2010 04:16 PM (p302b)
Posted by: Steph at October 31, 2010 04:17 PM (ZfkPl)
Posted by: Peaches at October 31, 2010 04:17 PM (zxpIo)
Good Lord,
OT, but almost flaming skull stuff. At the WS, they just had George W. Bush throw the first pitch (another nice toss, no less). He got what sounded like a HUGE ovation from the Texas fans, as did his Dad.
Very, very nice to see and hear and very un PC. Maybe the entire country is not totally insane after all.
Posted by: RM at October 31, 2010 04:19 PM (1kwr2)
Posted by: Steph at October 31, 2010 08:17 PM (ZfkPl)
Yeah, the Bushes are blue-blooded, noblesse oblige Republicans and all, but dammit, they're classy people. I miss them. I'm also pissed that Jed has been screwed out of his shot
Posted by: Ombudsman at October 31, 2010 04:20 PM (c1oyg)
Posted by: Pelayo at October 31, 2010 04:20 PM (V9Q+f)
Whoa, I refreshed and for some reason got an ad for Rebecca Kaplan running for mayor of Oakland.
I saw the photo and at first thought it was one of the guys from Los Lobos.
Posted by: Mr. Dave at October 31, 2010 04:22 PM (jJNJF)
Yeah, well, apparently nobody wants to shoot him. And if they do, he's not gonna let it harsh his mellow.
Posted by: Peaches at October 31, 2010 04:23 PM (zxpIo)
Posted by: GrumpyUnk in wooden shoes at October 31, 2010 04:26 PM (TkQ9R)
Geez, can't you wingnuts get it?
If the GOP is trailing, they should be ahead.
If the GOP is ahead, they should be ahead by more.
And if they are ahead by more, it's "wasted votes" cos it doesn't matter if you win by 1 vote or a million.
So in every single race, the GOP is doing terribly.
You idiots had the chance to win 110% of total races this year, and you let it slip.
Posted by: The Real Greg Shady at October 31, 2010 04:27 PM (Pelv9)
Never, at least until two years from now when our guys get to run against Obama's obstructionism.
Posted by: Methos at October 31, 2010 04:30 PM (Ew1k4)
I thought to myself "did she just say that word?" and then I thought "good for her, she calls a spade a spade and she showing she has a brass set".....
Posted by: curious at October 31, 2010 04:34 PM (p302b)
Barry never learned to play ball in Indonesia.
Posted by: MAUREEN at October 31, 2010 04:44 PM (sfFuT)
Posted by: Greg at October 31, 2010 08:15 PM (huyI
Greg, we are poised to pick up more House seats than in 1994 and that's at the lower end of the estimates that are being tossed around right now. Even at 55 seats, we will pick up more than have changed seats for anybody party in decades. As far as "you've never mentioned the House," that's just bull. You haven't argued over specific races (at least from what I've seen), but you have spent time here telling us that picking up a number of House that is greater than we won in 1994 wouldn't count as historic. Um, bullshit.
As far as the Senate, in 1994 we didn't pick up Nevada. We didn't pick up California. California has been a Democratic state lately, Greg. It's wasn't expected to even be on our radar. Nevertheless, we're leading in Nevada now. We're likely to pick up Wisconsin (which we didn't in 1994). We'll likely pick up 8 seats in the Senate...just like we did another year...oh yeah, 1994.
Posted by: AD at October 31, 2010 04:58 PM (O2/Ya)
Posted by: cackfinger at October 31, 2010 05:44 PM (TUBcJ)
At least I can say that I did everything I could to help, hung signs for Meg and Carly, made calls for both and Van Tran, walked precincts for all three. Worked the Anaheim GOP event and showed up to protest the Bite me & Boxer lunch in Laguna. They actually gave me my precinct to walk. When I got to my own address, I took a little break , circled Y on all three and then moved on.
Be the Wave!!
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