1 Sure Gibbsy...I'm still waiting for my unicorn.

2 First?

And I hate these people...with a passion.  Can't wait for 2012

3 That's not a vote. This is a vote.

4 bring it on gibbsy....unlease Hell....

5

Two things:

(1)  "I think"?  Mr. Gibbs, I think is not "I know" by orders of magnitude.

(2)  The Democrats must be channeling the spirit of Field-Marshal Haig on this.  It is the only explanation for thier focus on this bill.

6 Look, Guys, I have a Reagan Shrine in by garage, but this is a paying gig. Cut me some slack.

7 Why should we believe his simultaneous claim that "this will pass within a week?"

We confess to being a tad scared, even as we admit that this is precisely the Democrats' intention.

8 Scared to death about this... the Tree of Liberty is looking mighty parched these days.

9 They've been saying they have the votes for weeks now.  Yet, they never vote.

They're liars.

10

Their also going to include the nationalization of student loans into this bill effectively killing that business too. Remember how many of them told us including the president that they wouldnt vote for or sign this pos if it added one penny to the deficit even though the CBO continually scores it as a budget disaster?

Yea, I know, they're all a bunch of f'cking liars.

11 If they don't have the votes, they'll just drop it and pretend something much more important just popped up. The MSM is ready with the surprise story.

12
"will be talking about healthcare not as a presidential proposal but I think as the law of the land."

The Pharoah has spoken.

13 Hmm...

I had just finished reading this Iowahawk article when I came over to the HQ to see what's new. I thought I was still at Iowahawk's site.

14 Remember, first the deadline was March 18. Hell, the first deadline was back in October, and keeps slipping ever since. Remember the rush to it voted on on the Senate before Christmas?

15 No way will Nancy the Freedom Slayer let this be voted down.

16 Don't worry guys, we'll have 72 hours to pick this thing apart before they vote. Wait... What?

17
"will be talking about healthcare not as a presidential proposal but I think as the law of the land."



So, what if states like Texas and Virginia refuse to recognize it? What then fat boy?

Cuccinelli in Va said he's looking forward to challenging it.

18

Is it me, or have they already said they are not voting on the Senate Bill?

What they are passing is not a healthcare bill, it is a parliamentary trick/mechanism by which the result will be a Healthcare Takeover.

Lying Fat Fuck!

19 Obama says this plate of puke deserves an up-or-down majority vote.

When the whip count comes up short on Friday,will Nancy deny the president his wish?

20 Heck, last Spring Easy Bake was squealing this had to be passed yesterday.

21 That's cool.
Riots will follow.

22 That's cool.
Riots will follow.

At least they waited until spring.  The weather will be nice.

23 Malor, you're usually a smart guy, but this time you're being (accurate and at the same time) fucking dense:

"I suppose there's no other spin he can put on it, since his masters demand that he stand in front of the cameras and smile every day. But Gibbsy is simply out of his mind if he thinks that passing the Democrats' healthcare bill is going to be good for his team in the 2010 elections."

It makes no difference.

They pass Obama-care, your entire country's electorate moves left long-term, and you lose.

Get it?

The only reasons why countries like Canada or Britain get Conservative governments elected at all is vote-splitting in a > 2-party system. And our "Conservative" parties are to the left of the GOP.

So, if Obama does this and nothing else, he has won, huge, for his preferred ideology. The time to stop him is now. Patting yourself on the back about 2010 pick-ups may feel great, but it's a hollow, transient victory.

24

I think it will pass... I dont think they woudl be saying it if it wasnt.

Although Boehner says it wont pass...

I hate these people.  I hope it can be repealed or shot down in the Supreme court.

25
What they are passing is not a healthcare bill, it is a parliamentary trick/mechanism

It's called 'rule by decree'.  All the best 3rd world tyrants use it.

26 "We'll have the votes when the House votes, I think, within the next week," Gibbs said on "Fox News Sunday."

Magic Slaughter Eight Ball says, vote? We don't need no stinking vote!

27

Gibbs is not crazy.  He only sounds crazy if you only listen to conservatives.  There are still far too many people who believe liberal crap.

Also...

- The American public is fickle and the elections are 9 months away

-  They have the MSM to lie for them and tell the public the economy's improving.  If the economy "improves," they won't lose the majority, and they'll sell the improvement in part due to the new health care

-  They already have the economy being lied about by the people who make up the numbers, which they then "adjust" when people aren't looking

-  Look around the Internet, there are STILL tons of people who steadfastly believe the majority wants a single payer system

-  They will next push amnesty to get more voters

- They have lots of voter fraud and any elections that are close will be stolen

-  Once a bill gets passed, the public normally just ends up accepting it with a "it's done, let's make the best of it" attitude

-  I have NO FAITH in an American public that was STUPID enough to not only give us Obama, but a ridiculous RINO alternative like McCain

28

I think they've finally gotten to the point that having a vote is what they want, regardless of the outcome:

(1) Obama has made it clear that he is not going to let this go, there is a lot of ego involved here and in part he wants to do what Bill Clinton couldn't.

(2) If it passes and is enacted, then it's another ratcheting up of the entitlements, which puts libs in the driver's seat, even if the Democrat brand is trashed. 

(3) If it passes and is killed by SCOTUS, they'll blame an "activist" court and tell their consituents they tried, even though they were thwarted by those dastardly conservatives.  They'll sacrifice the blue dogs but figure enough of them can weasel out if it isn't an actual law. 

(4) If it doesn't pass, well this thing has to end sometime before November and the libs will be on record voting for it, the blue dogs will be on record voting against it and the anger of the American public will be mollified.

I really don't see how they lose bringing this to a vote.

One of the things that I was afraid of is that when SCOTUS declares laws unconstitutional, it's very narrow.  So, although the forcing to buy health insurance would be cut out, everything else would stay.  But if it passes via the Slaughter rule, the court will kill the whole thing.

29 we have a week to stop the madness.  get off yer @ss and get to DC.  tuesday, 3/16. 
If you cant, then get to your Reps offices. Mass protests are the only thing that is gonna get the attention of the dazed dummies in Congress.

30

Blazer, while I share your concern over another business being killed, that aspect is pretty far down my list of what is off-pissing in this hidden publicity.

Thing One as I see it is that the death panels will now decide who goes to college, any form of college which requires financing--which, we are now given to understand, is everything. It also offers Our Masters the right to set all curricula, on the principle of the Queen's farthing: a tortuous way to get back at Hillsdale. Then, it continues our legacy of shame of attaching important issues to other bills, confusing the issues, obfuscating debate, and turning us into a nation of trash-talking ballgame fans.

The financing industry might well survive losing the education-loan business; once the insiders control education access, we lose any [non-pitchfork] chance of restoring the cultural norms of the old republic.

31 Odimwit and his traveling circus will be in NEO (Strongsville...a SW bedroom community) tomorrow -- I'd be there, but (like the idiot I am) I'll be working.  CLE tea party folks should be out in force...Strongsville is one of the few right-leaning communities in the God-forsaken county of Cuyahoga.

32

No way will Nancy the Freedom Slayer let this be voted down.

Thank you.

The liberals have been slavering over this control for DECADES.  They're not going to fail now that they're this close to destroying the country.

33 It is 1859.

34 I really hope you are correct and that Gibbsy is bluffing but these mofos are so drunk with power they scare the daylights out of me.
Their fixation on passing this nightmare is completely out of control:

http://tinyurl.com/cha9su

35

Fox said a few minutes ago that by their count they were still 5 votes short.

The one thing we do know is that if nanny Nan had the votes she would already have voted. What worries me is that she is gradually wearing them down with unknown bribes and arm twisting behind the scenes.

Wouldn't it be nice if we actually has a free press that would report what was actually going on?

 

36 It won't pass. We'll be playing this game until the GOP wins back the House and Senate. Every week we'll hear about how it will be voted on next week just like we have since last summer.

37 Strongsville...a SW bedroom community of CLE) tomorrow

38 It will pass!  Pass into that folder of bad ideas that mercifully never became law. 

Next, do these slugs actually think they can enact immigration changes that include any kind of amnesty.  I refuse to use the word reform; current usage implies changes that are for the better. "Overhaul" is out too.

39 Too bad Booby......er Bobby wasn't questioned about that 'hard pivot' to jobs, jobs, jobs.  Guess that's another 'promise' under the bus.

40 I want them to push Amnesty, too. That nightmare will liquidate the RINOs and the Dems at the same time.

41 Patting yourself on the back about 2010 pick-ups may feel great, but it's a hollow, transient victory.

Posted by: Christoph at March 14, 2010 12:38 PM (0fq7b)

It helps calm the herd. Opiate of the masses, and shit.

42 If health scare passes, this nation is toast.

The affirmative action retard from Indonesia will be The Precedent and last Chief Executive of The United States.  As the US dissolves, retribution will be visited upon those who have destroyed this nation.

43 BS. If they had the votes, they would vote now. They don't, and they won't. This is Obama trying to sucker some wavering Democrats. Obama Ackbar.

44

Gibbsey is a liar, yes, but don't doubt that there is a lot going on behind closed doors to get this thing over with.  "Better to beg for forgiveness afterwards  than ask permission beforehand" and all that.

We'll start to see if it's true this week if Pelosi sets a date.  Then we should get all worried.

45

Jobs, you say?  We'll leave that for the cables.

46

Their also going to include the nationalization of student loans into this bill effectively killing that business too.

Not so Blazer.  "This bill" they are talking about voting on is the Dec 24th Senate bill.  The House MUST pass it with no changes in order to provide a bill that can be "reconciled".

When it is passed then they intend to (promised) pass a separate bill under "reconcilliation" to amend the act.  It is that bill that they wish to add the nationalization" of student loans to.

47 I have been pondering what a fallen America would look like...  Through the gut-wrenching grief, I just can't envision it. Let alone the global repercussions.
Pray God we can stop these evildoers. God and country.  Without them, there is no control of or sanctity of family.

48 Don't just stand there, Christoph, PANIC!

49 The chinese water torture method of passing legislation. Submit, its inevitable that we will win..... I refuse to accept that its a permanent program if it passes though. Keeping it from passing IS the first best line of defense but with the bill being written as pay starting now, free stuff starts in 4 years instead of the usual socialist bait and switch it can be repealed.

50 Christoph and Rat Patrol, what do you guys do at these coffee parties besides suck each other off?

51 Doesn't pass mean they are going to actually vote on it?  Because it sure seems the Dems are doing everything they can to avoid that minor Constitutional requirement.

52
Its a sad day when a Canadian comes on here and starts preaching to us about liberty and freedom. I picked a bad year to stop sniffing glue.

53

42 If health scare passes, this nation is toast.

_{: progressoverpeace at March 14, 2010 12:48 PM (A46hP)}

...easy there on the Race Revolution in a can, there Progresso! 

Enforcement is going to be a hell of a problem once this admin. starts fucking this football.  Thay are going to get quite the surprise from the common man when the implementation phase kicks in...

Remember, Obama is like the Gnomes. 

Step 1. Ridiculous Action, Follow that Unicorn, Egregious Mis-step.

Step 2.  ???????? 

Step 3. Utopia!

 

54 I can see States leaving the Union, Obama ordering the Military to retake them, and the troops staying put.

55 I agree that if it goes the Slaughter route, SCOTUS will almost have to chuck it out. Happy to see that several States are ready and willing to file suit at the drop of a hat. As for whether or not it's a "win" for Obama to get something passed, no matter how bad, through the Constitutional process? Yeah, it'd be a win. Probably a Pyrrhic victory in the end, but it'll give them a couple weeks of feeling good about themselves before the entire country goes on a 7-month binge of de-Obamafying the Government.

56

Shorter Gibbs: "We're ramming this thing thrugh by hook or by crook, and we're counting on you, the assembled media, to get out there and sell it by its sell-by date. Which is November.

"You have your marching orders, and as much as we appreciate you giving us a pass on transparency and the gawd-awful sausage-making behind closed doors, your heavy lifting is still ahead of you. Thanking you in advance!"

57 They gotten this far with back room deals and with the help of Olympia Snowe.
If they do more of the same it will pass.
By any means necessary.
The American people can go fuck themselves as far as there concerned it's  all about the Democratic Party.

58
If this pile of governmetn pap passes - they will have some talking points.  Their talking points.
Historic health care will cover 30 million!  No more suffering, no more evil insurance denying coverage...
blah blah blah... Same old same old.

The democrats face a reality problem.  This monstrosity will kill jobs, not create jobs.  It won't kick-in for years, but the taxes to pay for it will.  This will be horrible for our already teetering economy.

Nancy lies when she says this will create 400,000 jobs; sure, maybe a smattering of government jobs, but the private sector will continue to shrink.

Voters are going to be pissed. 

59 Its a sad day when a Canadian comes on here and starts preaching to us about liberty and freedom. 

Posted by: Blazer at March 14, 2010 12:53 PM (t72+4)

Meh.  That's nothing, considering that we have a Precedential  retard from Indonesia who speaks about unbelievably nonsensical notions such as "profit and earnings ratios" and then has the chutzpah to lecture us on anything that involves numbers larger than 20 or ideas more complicated than tying his shoes.

60 Your helathcare will be my last territorial demand!

61


Ohhhhhhh, Olyyyyyympiaaaa....... .....you still there baby ?

62 Fasten your seat belts!

63 I'm starting CERT training tomorrow. I'll give everyone a head's up if I hear about the FEMA camps opening up.

64 I will tell you Democrats another thing here.  You know, it's very odd that I would be giving you advice that I mean.  Many of you Democrats, I understand, will be very suspicious if I attempt to give you some honest, well-meaning advice. But that's what we're going to do.  You Democrats in the House, I just want to tell you.Blue Dogs, I don't care. Blue Dogs, you guys are dead anyway if you vote for this.

But this is a double-cross.  There's no question you're being double-crossed, and I'm going to address you. It won't take very long, but I know how much you Democrats in the House really want this.  I know how much you don't like the Senate bill.  I also know how you're being lied to that the Senate bill's going to be modified down the road.  It ain't going to happen in reconciliation.  Folks, it can't happen in reconciliation. There's not enough time for the CBO to score things and the CBO has to be involved if there's reconciliation.  So there will not be reconciliation.  You're being lied to about that.  I can tell you right now, there will not be reconciliation.  Obama's going to sign it and once he signs it he's going to drop it.  There will be no mention of health care after that signing ceremony.  They'll move on to other things like immigration, reviving cap and trade, card check, whatever it is, but there will be not one mention of it.

They're not going to take this bill and start immediately adding things to it because they want all discussion of health care to stop.  So you Democrats in the House, you are being sandbagged and double-crossed.  They are going to sign this bill, and because of your electoral fortunes in November, there will not be one fix made to this bill. Not one thing will be added to it after Obama signs it, and there will not be reconciliation.  And you guys are going to lose the House and the Senate. Well, certainly the House.  You're going to lose it in November.  And once you lose the House in November, there aren't isn't going to be anything added to this bill.  So let me just tell you now -- and for those of you in the Drive-By Media monitoring this show, please don't take me out of context here and please don't misquote me.  Because I mean this.  Please get this right.  Please tell members of the House and the Democrat caucus they are being double-crossed by their Speaker, by Rahm Emanuel and by the president when they're told that there will be reconciliation.  

There is not time for budget reconciliation before March 18th because the CBO can't get in there and score it. The process is going to take too long. It will never, ever happen.  If you sign the Senate bill, Obama signs it within hours, and that's the end of any health care discussion for the rest of this year.  It's too big a negative, too big a drag on election chances in November.  So nothing's going to be added to it.  None of what you want, none of what they're promising you will be added will be added.  It won't even be discussed.  You're dead. You're gone. You have been used just like Obama is willing to use anybody in your party and then you're going to lose the House in November all because of this, and the Republicans are not going to start adding things you want in subsequent health care legislation.  This is it.  You don't like it.  This isn't leftist enough for you.  If you pass the Senate bill, that's what you're going to have, and that's the best you are ever going to get.  

Don't doubt me.

65 Don't listen to the defeatists. Believing them does you no good whatsoever. They might as well be plants for the Democrats. None of them predicted that the bill would still be unsigned at this point. They are worthless and they suck and they know that they suck.

66 Gibbs is so like Squealer from Animal Farm it's spooky.

67 There is no Democrat who will put Obama's ego ahead of their own political fortunes. They know this bill is certain death.

68 Christoph and Rat Patrol, what do you guys do at these coffee parties besides suck each other off?

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 14, 2010 12:53 PM (mHQ7T)

If'n I went to one, I'd ask what major piece of welfare state legislation has ever been repealed?

69

 I agree that if it goes the Slaughter route, SCOTUS will almost have to chuck it out.

When have 4.5 Supreme Court Justices paid attention to the Constitution?

I'm not dogging, I am just saying that liberal justices do not give a $hit about the law and will absolutely vote to keep health care in place...and Kennedy will flip a coin.

70 61 Yeah fuck that bitch and the broom she rode in on.

Olympia Snowe *stabbing table with knife* DEAD.

71

...but with the bill being written as pay starting now, free stuff starts in 4 years instead of the usual socialist bait and switch it can be repealed.

When do you suppose they'll put the machinery in place to start collecting the money? And if/when it gets repealed, will there be refunds?

OK, stupid question.

72

In my wettest of dreams, the non-Union breadwinners of this country take this week off.

No warning, no en masse protest, just a simple 'life strike'. 

 Anyone who pays taxes and has a steady gig has enough in their house to make it Five Days without making or spending a fucking dime. NOt even a Penny. 

No need to do anything but hang with the family, and not go about the day to day. 

No commerce from the production class is a weapon that only needs to be shown to be effective.  Think about it.   

Like the Sword of a Thousand Truths, Hiroshima/Nagasaki or Chenney's Cock.

The effect would be staggering. 

73 72, True dat.

74 When have 4.5 Supreme Court Justices paid attention to the Constitution?

When they got kicked in the junk at the STFU address. Sotomayor, Ginsberg and one other fruit might go for it. But a bill is not a rule. The procedure in the Constitution is ironclad. This is more tough talk that will never happen.

75 None of them predicted that the bill would still be unsigned at this point.

Posted by: Salem at March 14, 2010 01:00 PM (86rbG)

But, many of us predicted, perfectly, that The Precedent would keep pushing this POS health scare to try to break the legislative process or until the bill passed, as we warned when we strongly advised the GOP not to take part in that insanely stupid voodoo zombification summit to give the health scare another round on the Hill.

The idiots in Congress have already voted on these bills (along with lots of other unbelievable votes) so they have nothing to lose.  They are done, anyway.  If you think they are going to take their affirmative action Precedent down at the same time, when they've already gone all-in with his insane anti-American policies, then you don't know democrats.

76 WASHINGTON (AP) - The White House is backing down from trying to get senators to remove some special deals from the health care bill.

Senior adviser David Axelrod says the White House only objected to deals that affected just one state, such one involving Medicaid and Nebraska that's being cut from the legislation.

Axelrod says that deals that could apply to more than one state are OK.

That means deals pushed by senators from Montana and Connecticut  would be fine because they're written in such a way that other states could potentially qualify.

It's a change from a couple days ago when press secretary Robert Gibbs singled out the Montana and Connecticut deals and said President Barack Obama wanted them gone.

Axelrod spoke on ABC's "This Week." @breitbart
Copyright 2010 The Associated Press.

77 When have 4.5 Supreme Court Justices paid attention to the Constitution?

I'm not sure if I really trust this SCOTUS so much ...

78

If things happen like they have happened in the past it will go like this if it passes:

Huge tax increases begin immediately on small buisnesses and the "rich".

Huge tax increases cause an additional spike in layoffs and unemployment. Current real unemployment if counted the same way it was in the 1930s would be 17%.  It will reach more than 25% in a short period of time which is as high as it got during the 'great depression".

No additonal people will be covered because that part of the plan doesn't take effect until 4 years later. Of course no media will talk about that.

Everyone but the utterly clueless who are on medical tracks in college will either drop out of school or switch tracks.

Initially about 5% of current doctors will close up shop and retire.  As more and more who were trying to tough it out see the futility they too will close up shop. Within two years doctors will be assigned to lucky lottery winners.

Private hospitals all across the country will start closing and eventually the only hospitals left will be government ran.

"Fixes" will be passed left and right as conditons deteriorate. Before the 4 years are up we will be in the same position Canada is in.  We will have the commie dream of nationalized healthcare.

But their efforts will be thwarted in one respect. It will no longer be a significant portion of the economy (which will be even further in the hole than now).  

Will the Republicans be able to repeal it???? Not if things go like they have gone in the past.  Anything can happen though because things in the past year have not gone like things in the past. We are breaking new ground.

79

When they got kicked in the junk at the STFU address. Sotomayor, Ginsberg and one other fruit might go for it.

Stevens and Breyer are in the liberal pocket, too.

80
If we took every millionaire and every billionaire and took away ALL of their money - it still wouldn't pay for this trillion dollar nightmare.

81

No warning, no en masse protest, just a simple 'life strike'. 

A week of Going Galt?

82 78, Vic, what you wrote sounds much like the list of grievances in the Declaration of Independence.

83 I missed this. Did any of the Fox imbeciles ask Gibbs if Obama supports the Slaughter approach?

84

 I missed this. Did any of the Fox imbeciles ask Gibbs if Obama supports the Slaughter approach?

Please let me know when Gibbs actually ever answers a question he's asked.  I will want to write it down.

85 69

If we're giving up on the Supreme Court, then what's the point? I know they have their predictable philosophical alignments, but there is simply no Constitutional way to justify the Slaughter gambit. I can't imagine a majority of the Court agreeing to simply throw out the Constitutional provisions for law-making. We'd essentially live in a nation without laws from that moment forward. At least "laws" as we've understood them for 220 years.
Anything's possible of course, but I'm convinced this "HC reform" is going down, down, down... It's just a matter of how long it takes and how ugly Obama wants it to get.

86 If we took every millionaire and every billionaire and took away ALL of their money - it still wouldn't pay for this trillion dollar nightmare.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at March 14, 2010 01:11 PM (0fzsA)

But yet Ogabe swore he would never sign anything if it added one penny to the deficit.

Yea, I know.

87 We'd essentially live in a nation without laws from that moment forward. At least "laws" as we've understood them for 220 years.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 14, 2010 01:16 PM (cGaVN)

I thought it was well-understood that we were no longer a nation of laws as our last SCOTUS justice was chosen on the basis of her empathetic abilities, which our federal government had deemed more important than a clear understanding of written law and its application.  The GOP (thanks mostly to Lady Lindsey) let the wise, empathetic Latina fly through confirmation, and that sealed the deal on whether we are a nation of laws.

Sorry, but that's where we are already at.  The rest of this is just dressing for our national suicide.

88 "Sorry, but that's where we are already at.  The rest of this is just dressing for our national suicide."

If this happens America will be the victim of a murder, not a suicide.

89 Psychosis is not just a river in Egypt.

90 When April rolls around and Teh One has no bill to sign, what kind of temper tantrum will The Spoiled Man-Child  throw? 

I think he should be on TV every night at 9:00 delivering a speech on health care, immigration, and jobs  Then he should introduce FLOTUS so that she can tell is how to feed our children.  (BTW, FLOTUS needs some Jenny Craig herself..)

91 "A dose of reality came from Rep. James Clyburn, the third-ranking House Democrat and main vote counter. "No, we don't have them as of this morning, but we've been working this thing all weekend," said Clyburn, D-S.C."

92

Oh well, the useless shitheads aka the modern American electorate willfully destroyed this nation. As they say, you can't fix stupid.

No way to pay this monstous debt all off, no matter how much scamming and begging and borrowing we do.

We are the new pets.com, this time without the cute hand puppet.

93

I know they have their predictable philosophical alignments, but there is simply no Constitutional way to justify the Slaughter gambit.

Dude, there was NO WAY to justify decisions like Roe and Kelo but they did.  And Congress let them.

Mark Levin has been clammering for a while to impeach some of these SCOTUS ba$tards who don't follow the Constitution but Congress won't sack up and do it.  So, the SCOTUS will continue to treat the Constitution more like a guideline than a rule since at least half of them have been getting away with it for 40 years.

94 Hey, it's the asshole from El Paso!

95

How about taking away all the shit from the Left Democrat billionaires like Buffet, Soros and Bill Gates?

Those hypocritical fuckers think that taxes aren't high enough on young professionals, entepreneurs and rival businesses, and they hobnob and kiss the Leftist Democrat's asses, as well as fund them to the tune of many millions, while the rest of us are taxed to pieces.

At least numero uno Carlos Slim is truthful and says that all this Santa Claus shit that Buffet and Gates go on about  is garbage. Let's send their money to him.

96 91

Thank you for the reality check!

97
Polls show that the American people do not want this - especially on party-line vote.


The Republicans have a years worth of tape revealing democrat lies, backroom deals, no-CSpan, tax-payer gauging, waste, and fraud, and complete lies about what this bill will actually acomplish.

The dems can pep rally themselves with the blind-faith party faithful, but a majority of the American people have spoken- and they do not want this.

98

But yet Ogabe swore he would never sign anything if it added one penny to the deficit.

He also said he wanted an up-or-down vote.

Hypocrisy is the only sin in the liberal religion and even then, they can't manage to be clean.

99
But yet Ogabe swore he would never sign anything if it added one penny to the deficit.

Obama lies!

100

It will pass... they havent voted because the CBO isnt done scoring it.

Today.. McCain on the campaign trail has said they (Repubs) are working on a plan to win back the house and  senate based on repealing it.

This is the FIRST time publically the Repubs have said this.  they KNOW its going to pass.

 

101 "The dems can pep rally themselves with the blind-faith party faithful, but a majority of the American people have spoken- and they do not want this."

So?

102 94 Hey, it's the asshole from El Paso!

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 14, 2010 01:30 PM (prAdG)

And other parts of West Texas. Decades in the oilpatch and using Greenies to feed our stock tanks turns you into a real prick.

103

We'd essentially live in a nation without laws from that moment forward. At least "laws" as we've understood them for 220 years.

We have been there since the 30s with the Supreme Court. They are just more open about it now. Two of the members are just like Obama, they really don't give a flying shit about the Constitution and will vote to uphold anything that has a socialist or communist ring to it, as well as anything that harms the U.S.  Two are along the same tract, but no as far.  They use Stare Decisis to advance the "rubber" Consitution theory by stretching it one ruling at a time until white = black and up = down. That is how Kelo was passed.

There are 4 justices who largely oppose this and one who has some kind of ego/phycological problem. He voites the opposite of the way he thinks Scalia votes and he believes there should always be at least one flip-flopper. But even given that, we are at a period with the most conservative court we have had since FDR entered office.

Let us pray that the 4 good ones remain in good health for at least the next 3 years.  

104

Today.. McCain on the campaign trail has said they (Repubs) are working on a plan to win back the house and  senate based on repealing it.

Surely you don't believe a single word that Turd McCain says do you?

105 It will be like jobs saved or created. If the Obama Hell-Care was not passed the massacre in November would have been much worse.

106

Of course it will pass. All this is just a Kabuki play where the "Blue Dogs" agonize about their votes. Those fucker are bought and sold by the Left and are just there to keep the majority. They don't give a scintilla about their conservative districts. They'll peel off just enough retirees to pass the bill, then save the others' seats by allowing them to vote "no". It's all horseshit, and we should call it that..

It's all just a matter of how to lose as few seats as they can in 2010, while the real job is destroying our will for a free nation.

Far as I am concerned the Blue Dogs are all scum and liars. If not, why the hell are they Democrats in the first place?

The abortion issue is a bullshit figleaf issue for the "Blue Dogs", compared to the larger issue of wealth, freedom and security.

107

Scratch a blue dog and find a spineless, gutless turd.

108

McCain doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about, as usual. The dumb bastard lifer doesn't even know what the hell the constitution is.

He wants a fuckhead RINO party, with him as its leader. We're better off with JD Hayworth kicking him off the AZ Senate ticket, even if it means losing that seat in the general. We'll never get to a real majority with his shenanegans.

109

A week of Going Galt?

Posted by: barbelle at March 14, 2010 01:12 PM (qF8q3)

A whole week?

That'll show 'em.

110 104

Today.. McCain on the campaign trail has said they (Repubs) are working on a plan to win back the house and  senate based on repealing it.

Surely you don't believe a single word that Turd McCain says do you?

Posted by: Vic at March 14, 2010 01:45 PM (QrA9E)

 

yes... I believe it.   NO republican has ever come out with even a hint at this...   because if they did.. it would just be assumed it would pass and the outrage of townhall stuff would stop... and just accepted.

It take 2/3rds majority to over ride a presidential veto.  Its a looooooong shot.

It will take lawsuits and the supremem court to over rule this.. probably a long shot too.

 

 

111

Well, first they have to vote to allow the Slaughter rule, right?  It's possible that in all of the vote counting, the Dems have overlooked that little detail.  I don't know what the vote count has to be on that, but I was under the impression that to change the rules, it has to be by a 2/3 majority when Congress is already in session.

It's possible that all of this "we're close to getting all of the votes that we need" is just a big distraction so that we won't pay any attention to "the man behind the curtain (the vote to invoke the Slaughter rule)".  You know - "We've got the votes for the Healthcare Bill via the Slaughter rule IF ONLY the Slaughter rule passes a vote".

If some Congressional scholar can weigh in on this, that would be great - I'm a simple analyst....

112 A whole new crop of lying pols will make careers out of endlessly "fixing" this crap.

113

It will pass... they haven't voted, because the CBO isn't done scoring it.

CBO says to finance the cost of ObamaCare the US will have to borrow 39 cents of every dollar spent on the program.

114 It will pass... they haven't voted, because the CBO isn't done scoring it.

This was supposed to be in italics.

115

Surely you don't believe a single word that Turd McCain says do you?

Posted by: Vic at March 14, 2010 01:45 PM (QrA9E)

Vic called it. McCain is full of shit.

They do not have the votes to pass it. Here is the latest from The Hill newspaperÂ’s Whip Count:

Thirty-four House Democrats are either firm no votes or leaning no, according to The HillÂ’s whip list. Dozens more are undecided.

The list of Democratic members who havenÂ’t committed ranges widely, from liberal Reps. Michael Capuano (Mass.) and Anthony Weiner (N.Y.) to centrist Reps. Jason Altmire (Pa.) and Chris Carney (Pa.).

Two committee chairmen — Reps. Ike Skelton (D-Mo.) and Collin Peterson (D-Minn.) — say they are firm nos and three others, Reps. John Spratt (D-S.C.), Nick Rahall (D-W.Va.) and Jim Oberstar (D-Minn.), are undecided.

If every House member votes and all Republicans reject the bill as expected, Pelosi can only afford 37 Democratic defections.

116 Today.. McCain on the campaign trail has said they (Repubs) are working on a plan to win back the house and  senate based on repealing it.
Anytime McShame opens his traitorous mouth, he ought to be assaulted with questions about his butt-budd's new shamnesty push and not allowed to get away from that.  Then he needs to be asked how he feels for having destroyed the GOP with his insane shamnesty, and whether he feels guilty about it.  When he stammers through that, he needs to be asked why he thought The Precedent would make a good Chief Executive and whether someone as dumb as McShame obviously is shoiul dreally be in government, at all.

McShame is the worst.  He is a traitor and needs to be tossed out of office this year.

117 Someone on RedState says they are "hearing from Senate insiders that the way to kill this is for the Senate GOP to shut down the Senate on all legislation until the Easter break until Reid agrees to drop ObamaCare until the next session. This is coming from a highly reliable source: "

http://tinyurl.com/yleyj7k

118

1) Mccain needs to STFU, I am finally understanding why conservatives can't stand this man. These totalarian dimwitted dems do not have the votes. Why the hell can't mccain just shut up about repealing something that will not pass and instead focus on how bad this bill is ?

2)If these dems really want to cram this piece of $hit legilation, there will be hell to pay, not just in november 2010, but well beyond that.

3) I called the VA gov's office to thank them for signing into law that the state will not abide by the fed. deathcare mandates. I also called the VA atty general's office to thank the man for standing up for states't right and blocking this illegal PO$ bill. I know there are many other states who will be doing the same thing, my state is one of them. If you guys get a chance, I would urge you all to call the VA's gov's office to thank him for signing that no-federal mandate law and to thank the VA's AG office also for preparing to file suit against this illegal legislation.

When over 75% of American hate this deathcare bill, and only one party wants to pass it, seriously, does Baghdad Bob think this will help them?? The party of demonscrat will be over, for decades.

119 McCain is a crazy old asshole. There's no arguing that.

For example, last week Democratic Senator Michael Bennet of Colorado offered a do-nothing amendment that purported to protect Medicare from cuts. It was a classic congressional fig-leaf amendment for ObamaCare supporters to hide behind.

The amendment was carefully and narrowly crafted with much hortatory language about not cutting guaranteed Medicare benefits but the amendment actually does NOTHING to change provisions in the bill that WILL cut Medicare by hundreds of billions of dollars. Behind the cover of this Senate fig-leaf amendment—political cover for the Democrats, which all 40 Republicans voted in favor of—the Reid bill will undermine Medicare Advantage plans and squeeze the life out of Medicare by putting doctors, hospitals and other medical providers in a reimbursement vice that fixes prices and leads to Medicare rationing.

Rather than filibustering this amendment to expose the duplicity and deception behind it; rather than insisting on unlimited debate on the amendment and forcing Harry Reid to file a cloture petition to shut off debate, which would have guaranteed two days of debate, deliberation and sunshine on the amendment; rather than voting against the amendment to expose the shenanigans behind it; the Republican Leadership instead agreed to wrap up the amendment with only a few hours debate.

In exchange for this Republican complicity in providing Democrats political cover, the Democratic Leadership graciously allowed Republicans an amendment to be offered by Arizona Senator John McCain that would recommit the Reid Bill to committee and strip out provisions that actually DO cut Medicare. Republicans knew 20 Democrats/Independents would never vote with them to recommit the bill (it would have taken 60 votes to do so). Yet, Republicans traded off two days worth of debate and voted for a fig-leaf amendment to provide ObamaCare supporters political cover in order to be allowed to offer a “message amendment” of their own, which misled the public into believing Republicans are trying to fight the bill when in fact they are facilitating its ultimate passage before the New Year.

The Bennet amendment passed with only hours of debate by a vote of 100 to zero. Then, the McCain amendment to recommit the Reid Bill to Committee in order to actually strip out provisions of the bill that DO cut Medicare—think of it as an amendment to actually implement the do-nothing amendment that just passed by 100 votes—was defeated on a virtual party-line vote. Only two Democrats (Jim Webb-Va. and Ben Nelson-Neb.) were given free passes from the Democratic Leadership to vote in favor of it. Message sent: “Republicans are allowing themselves to be played as the Democrats’ useful idiots.”

120 "When they got kicked in the junk at the STFU address. Sotomayor, Ginsberg and one other fruit might go for it."

"Stevens and Breyer are in the liberal pocket, too."

Stevens and Breyer are both expansionists when it comes to federal power, but the key to understanding why they and even Sotomayor and Ginsburg might vote to kill this thing comes down to pure institutional power politics: they are judicial supremacists and would be very happy to show both Congress and the White House exactly who they think is really boss.  Especially after being publicly told to go fuck themselves.

The liberal Justices are happy to endorse liberal policies when it comes down to interpreting the relatively vague language of Commerce Clause, or the 2nd Amendment, or what's an "unreasonable" search or seizure, or what's "cruel and usual punishment," or a taking for "public use."  Why? BECAUSE IT INCREASES THE COURT'S POWER.  Here, conversely, if they were asked to OK the Slaughter Rule, which flies in the face of the requirement for recorded votes on identical bills prior to presentment, I think it VERY unlikely they would back the political branches at their own expense.

121 I wish the Negative Nellies would STFU and die. I really don't want to hear about how this bill is a slam dunk.

122 It was hard to read Sotomayor's face at the SOTU showdown. She was probably wondering, "Is this supposed to happen here?"

123

"Well, first they have to vote to allow the Slaughter rule, right?"

Yes.  My understanding is that a rule of this sort requires a majority of those voting IF a recorded vote is called for.  I can't figure that out for certain because, conveniently, the full Rules of the House, unlike the Rules of the Senate, appear to be nowhere to be found online: the only thing online is the resolution readopting and amending them at the start of the 111th Congress.

"I don't know what the vote count has to be on that, but I was under the impression that to change the rules, it has to be by a 2/3 majority when Congress is already in session."

That's incorrect due to the error of terminology I've noted as causing continued confusion.  The Slaughter rule is not an attempt to amend the Rules of the House.  I know the Senate Rules require a 2/3 vote to amend, not sure about the House Rules.  But a "rule" in this context means ot one of the standing rules, but a stand-alone resolution governing debate on a particular bill or group of bills.  These usually specific debate time for proponents and opponents and what amendments are in order.  Such rules are how the House governs its business and why the Rules Committee is so powerful.

It's possible that all of this "we're close to getting all of the votes that we need" is just a big distraction so that we won't pay any attention to "the man behind the curtain (the vote to invoke the Slaughter rule)".  You know - "We've got the votes for the Healthcare Bill via the Slaughter rule IF ONLY the Slaughter rule passes a vote".

That's correct, or at least my understanding.

If some Congressional scholar can weigh in on this, that would be great - I'm a simple analyst....

I haven't worked on the Hill, but I was a staff attorney for a state legislature, so I'm always happy to elucidate/pontificate on points of legislative procedure to the extent I can.

124 If they pass this using the Slaughter scheme, Bama signs it, and it all ends up at SCOTUS (paging Mark Levin, Mr. Levin please report to your office), gets overturned due to batshit insane unconstitutionality, how would it not be an impeachable offense for every single yes vote in congress and POTUS?

125 "... how would it not be an impeachable offense for every single yes vote in congress and POTUS?"

What is an impeachable offense ("high crimes and misdemeanors") is whatever the House chooses to regard as an impeachable offense.  It's the quintessential example of a political question.  Moreover, impeachment is for the executive and judicial branches: members of the House and Senate are not subject to impeachment, but to expulsion by a 2/3 vote of their own chamber.  See, e.g., Jim "Beam Me Up, Mr. Speaker" Traficant.

126 If they had the votes, they would have passed it already, the minute the last vote was in NancyÂ’s pocket.

The whole debate over the “Slaughter Rule” strategy misses one point: it’s a special rule, and the House would have to vote to pass it. Nobody is going to be able to claim they didn’t know what they were voting for, no matter how it is structured.

Despite some positive recent data, the economic outlook for the summer is for a drop in GDP as a result of the huge tax increase caused by allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire. This probably means the unemployment rate either rises or at least doesnÂ’t fall, leaving Obama vulnerable to the charge he neglected the economy to force health care down AmericaÂ’s throat.

The striking thing is the number of Democrats, both in House and Senate, who seem willing to risk their seats to perpetrate this travesty. Even Obama canÂ’t guarantee them all a cushy federal job, not for longer than January of 2013. Are so many of them so committed to socialized medicine that they will give up their cushy and prestigious jobs to pass it?

127 Are so many of them so committed to socialized medicine that they will give up their cushy and prestigious jobs to pass it?

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 14, 2010 03:27 PM (mHQ7T)

Yes.

128 Are so many of them so committed to socialized medicine that they will give up their cushy and prestigious jobs to pass it?

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 14, 2010 03:27 PM (mHQ7T)

It's not that the dems are committed to socialized medicine.  This is all being pushed by The Precedent, and no one else.  If it had been left to normal dems, the health scare would have died around the Town Halls, if not before.  No, it was The Indonesian Imbecile, who holds us and our institutions in nothing but contempt, who pushed this zombie legislation over and over and over.  The dems are now committed , because they have already been pushed (and bribed) into making too many terrible votes, so they are hanging in the wind, anyway.

Make no mistake about it, this un-American and insane way of pushing legislation through has never been seen before in our history, because we have always had natural born Americans in the Presidency - people who were still subconsciously bound by the deepest constraints of our traditions.  It was the introduction of the Indonesian and his hate for our systems and traditions that has brought this calamity upon us, with the dems being nothing more than useful idiots who will be jettisoned and used as canon fodder the minute their legislative usefulness ends.  But, they are dead, anyway, thanks to their earlier votes, so they are in for the ride, no matter how it goes.

This is why the Founders put the "natural born citizen" clause in.  It was not a guarantee to stop someone with no American sensibilities, and nothing but unbridled hate for our nation, from getting in charge of the Executive, but it was the best rule of thumb they could come up with.  We intentionally ignored this proviso and are getting exactly what the Founders had tried so hard to avert.

129 Gibbsy disillusioned and rabbling? What do you think would happen with a barner (Auburn grad) roaming around the White House? I can't wait for the fall. Bama and elections equals BIG WIN!!

130

Yes.

Posted by: tdpwells at March 14, 2010 03:31 PM (Ei3oZ)

If that were the case, it would have passed already. They keep pushing it around holidays, becausethey are afraid of Democrats being confronted by their constituents. The healthcare bill will fail in the House this week.

131

The Hill reporting this as of today 1300EST:

 

House Democrats not on this list are expected to vote yes. However, some members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus who are not mentioned below have threatened to vote no unless the Senate's immigration-related provisions are changed.

All House Republicans are expected to vote no.

If every member votes and all GOP lawmakers vote no, the maximum amount of Democratic defections to pass a bill is 37, which would lead to a 216-215 tally.

Firm No, Leaning No, Likely No(35)

132 It really looks like they do not have the votes and will try this slaughter solution crap. GOD HELP US

133 Is Fart-Tubing Legal in Vermont????

134 Basically the House Dems have to buy the crap from a proven liar that: " Don't Worry I Won't Cum in Your Mouth Baby" !!!!

135

Who made the CBO the voice of God? Last week the CBO said something about the bill reducing the deficit by x amount of dollars. Everyone knows it won't. I think the CBO probably just throw darts at a dart board or draw numbers out a hat. Python Pelosi was just crowing last week about their latest report.

136 The Slaughter solution has to be voted on, it will permanently destroy the Democratic party brand, and it is an impeachable offense. Despite what David Axelrod says, we know very well what's going on. This starts an all-out war.

137

Who made the CBO the voice of God?

Posted by: Barbarosa at March 14, 2010 05:53 PM (tKEtn)

The idiots in the GOP, to a large extent.  They couldn't be bothered to vehemently argue against the un-Constitiutional nature of the health scare, so they relied on economic arguments, instead, and kept looking to the CBO to kill the first few iterations of the bill(s).  Short-sighted on their part, as this legislation should have been opposed because it's ILLEGAL, not because it doesn't make economic sense - though they didn't even make that argument very well, either.

138 Hang tough - don't despair.

It's an Alinsky tactic - give it the appearance of inevitability.

Keep calling and writing the Congressmen. Keep up the pressure. Go to the rally on the 16th if you can. (www.freedomworks.com).

Only one week until victory! Don't go soft now.

139 It's pretty safe to say, when Gibbs talks, he is lying.

140 And if we don't get the votes, no problem. We'll just deem it passed anyway.

141

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142

The liberals have been slavering over this control for DECADES.  They're not going to fail now that they're this close to destroying the country.

Posted by: barbelle at March 14, 2010 12:44 PM (qF8q3)

Thanks, Eeyore.  Since we're all doomed anyway (according to you) could you ease our passing by just shutting up already?  Some of us are still fighting and do not really care for the calls for a preemptive surrender.

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