1

When the Departments of Justice and Defense tried to exclude attorneys from firms who engaged in such behavior the attorneys simply sued the government. And won.

One wonders how that was possible?  A lawyer who does some of the things listed above is actually breaking the law and should have been disbarred.

Could this be a case like some I noticed in which the government put on a "less than stellar" defense because they really didn't want to win in the first place but didn't want the political headache of being seen as soft on terrorists?

2 "Aid and comfort" to our enemies.  Hang 'em.

3 I hate the ACLU and all others of theirr ilk.

4

Yo Brah!  From one lefty to another – youÂ’re turning everyone right.  Not only in the U.S. but around the world.   Maybe you should treat your friends better, or at least remember who your enemies are.

5

These people couldn't hold John Adams' codpiece.

 

They wore codpieces in the Revolution, right?

6 These lawyers are themselves criminals. Advocating for ones client does not include being a traitor to your own country. But remember, ACLU attorneys often are America haters. Not watch dogs for our liberties, rather apoligists for the far left liberal ideologies of Anti-Americanism. As we all have seen...too many of those ideologies have moved closer to mainstream libealism.

7 Uh, prompting fabricated claims of torture is suborning perjury, ain't it?

8 I sure hope the drooling retards who make up the 52% that voted this atomic cluster fuck into power are happy with themselves.

9 When the Departments of Justice and Defense tried to exclude attorneys from firms who engaged in such behavior the attorneys simply sued the government for continued access to their terrorist clients. And won.

But you can be damned sure that no lefty judge would dismiss the charges against KSM and his cohorts.

10 Obama's going to give me free college and Sarah Palin was like stupid and stuff.  Duh!

11 Totally like John Adams.

L'Chayim!

12 A lawyer who does some of the things listed above is actually breaking the law and should have been disbarred.

No, no, no - actually we make them the US Attorney General (its been revealed that Holder filed briefs on behalf of detainees he failed to disclose in the Senate conformation proceedings)

13 If you have not taken the time to read the whole thing, you should. Some of the things these lawyers did made my jaw drop. We need to know who these people are and prosecute them. They went far beyond trying to help these guys receive representation so that they were treated fairly. I am still shocked at what I read.

Wasn't Holder one of these people? This is some scary shit. The lawyers were actually giving detainees pictures of undercover CIA agents to try and find out who was performing enhanced interrogations, presumably to try and prosecute those agents! The detainees got the hunger strike idea from these lawyers as well and the lawyer also told them that the military had no right to force-feed the detainees, which prompted them to actively and physically resist attempts to re-insert the feeding tubes on the hope that the military would either be forced to let them die or release them.

I can't fucking believe this.

14 Yay us!

15 Holder is in a whole different category by himself.

16 I'm all for zealous representation of sub-human scum.  I'm not so one with the whole actually providing aid and support to terrorists under the guise of representation.  That's, what's the word I'm looking for, oh, yeah, treason. 

17 Anybody got their numbers?

18 Can I question their patriotism yet?

19 Repugnant.  I say the best way to prevent claims of abuse is to have 24x7 CCTV cameras recorded and kept in perpetuity.  Hard disk space is cheap, especially compared to these Al-Quaeda crapweasels tying up our court systems with fabricated claims of abuse.

20 19 Can I question their patriotism yet?

Posted by: brian at March 15, 2010 10:21 AM (71oqO)

Sure. If you can find it.

Thanks again FiftyTwo Percenters, you fucking fucks.

21 Why are these "detainees" still even breathing?

22 or their lawyers? these people are criminals at best, and traitors at worst.

23 The British soldiers defended by Adams before the Revolution were functioning as police. The Boston Massacre was essentially a police brutality case. When was the last time one of these clowns defended a cop–for free?

Nor did Adams defend his clients secretly. Eric Holder was asserting that these lawyers who went straight from representing terrorists into the Justice Dept. had a lawyer-client privilege to keep their lawyer-client relationship a secret. And then, as government policy-makers, to be exempt from criticism.

These arenÂ’t military lawyers or public defenders assigned to a case. No, they actively sought to defend these enemies out of a sympathetic worldview. Even mob lawyers only do it for the money, not love.

I suppose you could say that these lawyers are like Adams in that he became a revolutionary, too. But he was a revolutionary for America.

And I forget; did John Adams also stalk government employees on behalf of terrorists? Andy McCarthy:

I would call the enterprise — just for starters — a wartime felony violation of the federal law barring disclosure of the identities of U.S. intelligence officers (Title 50, United States Code, Section 421), as well as a wartime felony violation of the espionage act (Title 18, United States Code, Section 793), which prohibits, among other things, obtaining national defense information with reason to know it will be used to the injury of the United States (including taking and using photographs "of anything connected with the national defense").

24

The lawyer accused of forwarding the propaganda to the Club Gitmo gang, Julia T Mason, works at Paul Weiss in NYC, where she also represents Pfizer and AIG.

Before Paul Weiss, she clerked for...wait for it... the Wise Latina with Rich Experience.

25 The difference is that John Adams was defending British Soldiers who were on, for all intents and purposes, British soil, at the time. He defended the soldiers involved in the massacre because they were entitled it under British law and it was a British Colony. We would not deny any American citizen their right to representation nor would the British deny theirs. The enemy combatants are not a direct comparison to the British soldiers as they are not US citizens. The enemy combatants were already going to be supplied lawyers by the military. However activist lawyers decided to offer their services to the Jihadis and these lawyers evidently had an agenda.

26 I expect commentary on this from Kenneth Starr. He isn't naive enough not to know these are exactly the kinds of lawyers this information shows. The legal profession is a corrupt cabal and must be reigned in.

27 Question to the Gitmo attorneys....If you really WERE a traitor, what would you be doing differently?

28 "These people couldn't hold John Adams' codpiece. They wore codpieces in the Revolution, right?" Oh, hell no. That was all Founding Fatherhood, baby. Shit, it was they could do to get Paine to wear trousers. Let alone that lunatic Adams running around the Continental Congress showers bareass and poking everyone in the chest...

29 29 Question to the Gitmo attorneys....If you really WERE a traitor, what would you be doing differently?

Posted by: spook at March 15, 2010 10:54 AM (KETCq)

Donning a suicide vest and blowing up a guard tower would be the next step. Other than that, I can't think of anything.

Smuggle in a weapon maybey? There isn't really much to do that is worse than what they already did.

30 Donning a suicide vest and blowing up a guard tower would be the next step.

What, and deprive the world of their incredible intellect and insight?  They think too highly of themselves for that.  They'd smuggle in the vest for one of the detainees to blow up the guard tower.

31

Here is the facebook page for Julia Tarver Mason, who is one of the scumbag attorney's representing Gitmo detainees:

 

http://tinyurl.com/gitmoattorney

32 26 polynikes, 

After the Declaration, Adam's former clients would have been within their rights to hunt him down and hang him. In fact, they tried. Ingrates.

But if we're going to slander Adams by letting these commies appropriate his good name for the Glorious People's Revolution, shouldn't we call her "Lynn Stewart Mill"? You know; like Sean "William" Penn and Benjamin Franklin Raines?

33

Today's enemies of America (who are currently running our govt!) are putting the Founding Fathers skills and intelligence to the test.  I worry that the corruption and sloth is so great that the Founders will lose, but I can't even imagine what happens next.................

34 Evil never sleeps.
Stupid never dies.

35 For what it is worth (not much really) I am a lawyer at a big NY firm, and I hate these slimy little fucks.  None of our alum are among Holder's cadre of terrorist symps, but our firm did handle some Gitmo cases, some years back.  It was actually quite controversial within the firm - even some of the more avowedly liberal members of the firm were quite perturbed.  It kills me that a firm like Paul Weiss - an aggressive firm with a reputation for doing good corporate work, and one founded by Jews who had been shut out of the more traditional white shoe firms at the time - wants to represent and AID those who would kill every last Jew on the planet give half a chance.

36

An excerpt from the Columbia University Record -- May 15, 1996

Julia Tarver and Patrick Goodman are two Law students who know exactly what they want to do after they graduate today: eliminate the death penalty in the United States.

The pair have already worked on the defense of high profile death penalty cases while students at the Law School; and together, they've logged in nearly 1,600 hours of death penalty pro bono work in the last two years. While their hours are impressive, the pair represent just two examples of the many extraordinary public service efforts of today's law graduates.

In 1993, Columbia became the first leading law school to create a mandatory pro bono program, which requires that all students perform a minimum of 40 hours of public service work in order to graduate. Today's graduating class represents the first class to be subject to the requirement. About 60 percent of the students, Tarver and Goodman included, chose to go well beyond the required 40 hours to fulfill their commitment.

Julia Tarver, who has put in 425 pro bono hours, has a perfect record for the four death penalty cases she's worked on: All of the defendants have received either life sentences or a new trial, rather than death sentences. Two of her cases have been ones that Law Professor James Liebman has been involved in, including the Supreme Court Case, Kyles v. Whitely, under which convicted murderer Curtis Lee Kyles won the right to a new trial.

Tarver was initiated into death penalty activism at a young age. She was a high school student in Mobile, Ala., writing her college entrance essays when she turned on the radio the day of the Ted Bundy execution just over the border in Florida. So repulsed was she by the party atmosphere created by the local disc jockeys--who did live broadcasts from outside the prison replete with tailgate parties, or "Bundy Barbecues"--that it changed her life. Since then, the focus of Tarver's academic research has been in the field of death penalty work.

She has done pro bono work with the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, the NAACP Special Project Research, Paul Weiss, the New York Students Against Death Penalty, and the New York State Capital Defenders Office.

An editor of the Columbia Law Review, Tarver will spend next year clerking for Judge Sonia Sotomayor in the Southern District of New York.

37

Other incidents listed in the FOIA material included: a lawyer who was caught in the act of making a hand-drawn map of a detention camp's layout, including guard towers; a lawyer who sent a letter to his detainee client telling him that "we cannot depend on the military to do the right thing" and conveying his message of support to other detainees who were not his clients; lawyers who posted photos of Guantanamo security badges on the Internet;

 

These scumbags should be thrown in Gitmo with the rest of their terrorist buddies.  And since they have a map, they'll already know their way around.  I wonder what the lawyer eqivalent of the Koran is.  Just in case we need something to clean out the sewer pipes, mind you.

38 Seems to me those lawyers have no source of decent income. They have to prostitute themselves...

It's always the MONEY and nothing else. No principle!

39

Lawyers that engage in this sort of conduct are not "zealously defending their clients."  They are "acting as criminal accessories" and should be treated as such.  For aiding and abetting jihadis I'd like to see potential capital charges for treason, but that won't realistically happen since 1/3 of us seem to think this shit is the height of patriotism, so 25-to-life for the wanna-be Lynne Stewarts.

The only way to prevent firms from institutionalizing this kind of aiding and abetting is to say "one of your lawyers does this shit, no more high-profile lucrative cases with book deals attached for your boys - and BTW we will be investigating your firm to see if the lawyer was really a loose cannon or had help back at the office."  

Let Congress and the White House sort this out and tell the lawyers what will happen, not the other way around.   Cart, please go stand behind Horse.   Lawyers cannot self-police.

This is what happens when you give enemy combatant terrorists and those suspected of giving them aid and comfort of the domestic criminal system.  The same overly-broad and criminal-sympathizing range of exclusions, procedural loopholes etc... becomes available and cases go through the revolving door - and that's without the extra wrinkle of national security concerns in disclosing sources of evidence, just for starters.

40

The stunts they pulled are also classic political theatre out of the Bill Kuntzler school of jurisprudence.  Attorneys who engage in this kind of "let's put the system on trial" bullshit should be disbarred.  The public isn't completely stupid, counselors - they can tell the difference between a Zenger and a Bobby Seale.  And the US Government is not King George in this little passion-play, so can the cheap melodrama.  Stop acting like your garden-variety Muj fanatic or some cop-killing shithead like Mumia is Paul fucking Revere and you are John Adams. 

These lawyers are more John Holmes than John Adams so, counselors, kindly whip it out, do your business, take your checks and get out of our sight.  And yeah, we know, it's a dirty job but "someone has to do it."  Don't let the courthouse door hit you in the ass on the way out, you whorish mutts.

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44 Malamutt:

What the rules say and what happens are two different things.  Bar complaints against well-connected senior lawyers have a way of ending in private letters of reprimand at worst.  It's not that discipline commissions are just lefty-leaning, they are lawyer-leaning.  They'll gladly rake some loser sole practitioner who steals from his client trust account but when it comes to taking down someone with real political clout or professional standing (deserved or otherwise), don't hold your breath.

It's cutting off my own nose, granted, but I'm coming down more and more against letting lawyers discipline themselves.  Somewhere in the layers of hearings and appeals they can always find one sympathetic ear to take the blame, let them off the hook, and leave the rest of us blaming "the System" again. 

42 There's a lefty message board I can't resist reading, and one of the regulars, a law student, worked on behalf of Gitmo detainees a couple of Summers ago.

This guy is the embodiment of every liberal cliche you can imagine:  unpleasant, unfriendly, constantly asserting that Americans are dumb, that taxes are too low, that the government should pay for his law school education, etc.  You name the trope, he's invested in it.

And as far as he was concerned, Gitmo was filled with nothing but poor little innocent victims of big bad America, and he couldn't wait to do everything he could to spring them.  He walked into the situation absolutely certain that everyone there was innocent.

These people are not wise, and they are not trustworthy.

43 I know there are a lot of lawyers who post here.  So....
Can one of them explain, clearly and slowly for my non-legal mind, how these lawyers could commit--provably--these blatant, egregious, and illegal acts and WIN THEIR CASE?  Because I want to hire them the next time I commit me a hobo killin' in front of a news crew, and a crowd all video recording me on their cell phones, and with me handing out a stack of signed confessions at the same time.

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