1 Jhon Ahdms don't know jack

2 Just another example of Lawfare, Ace.  They are not interested in justice per se, they are on the other side, and using their best weapons to cripple us at every opportunity.  When the next large scale terror attack comes, you will know who will have helped it happen.  Of course, the democrats will blame Bush, as usual. 

3 We seem to be in the wishbone formation. We are being pulled apart. The question is who will get the bigger piece. Solzhenitsyn dealt with this in his warning to the west speech at Harvard. He said there was a confusion in the west with what is legal being equated with what is right. Lawyers are in the practice of manipulating what is legal and tell us it is what is right. No wonder so many of them lose their way.

4 Hate America Hate Israel Hate Democracy Obama 2010

5 I honestly don't know, but can a sitting AG be impeached by congress? This may need to happen next year.

We don't even know for sure if the civilian trials for KSM have been called off do we? Last I heard it was being "reconsidered" or something.

6 They're less like John Adams than Charles Addams.

7 6 They're less like John Adams than Charles Gomez Addams.

FIFY

8 6 They're less like John Adams than Charles Addams.

Posted by: nickless at March 15, 2010 11:33 AM (MMC8r)

More like Gomez Addams

9 I'd like to hear Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame's take on this outing of CIA officers. So far the silence is deafening.

10

More to the point, let's consider John Adams in a little fuller light. As President he signed into law bills that are commonly known as The Alien and Sedition Acts.

Yep, that's John Adams alright.  Back when that HBO movie came out most of the Morons were singing the virtues of John Adams. I came back with two things; first even though I don't have HBO and did not see the movie I could safely say historical accuracy has never been a hallmark of any made for TV (or theater) film about history and two, John Adams was actualy an asshole for his times.

You see, even in the 1700s and 1800s there were two political camps even though they had not yet developed into the formal Parties we have today. You can divide those parties up into two overall camps regardless of the name they choose to call each other. Those are the big government people and the small government people.

John Adams was from the "big government school". The small government school was led by Thomas Jefferson at the time. He and Adams became bitter opponents up until their mutual old age.

It was John Adam's plan combined with John Marshall in skullduggary that gave us midnight appointments for piles of justices and ultimately the Marbury v Madison travesty in which SCOTUS took for itself (and the federal government) the power to interpret how much power the federal government had under the then new Consitution. Talk about a conflict of interest!

This has always been my biggest gripe with Jefferson. He allowed this travesty of a ruling to stand and that is exactly why we now have the political court that we have today and how the government has been able to grow in leaps and bounds over the years. 

 

11
But F Murray Abraham (NBC's Andrea Mitchell) assured Liz Cheney was wrong.

NBC even put "WRONG" in big letters on the screen over Liz Cheney's image!

12

I honestly don't know, but can a sitting AG be impeached by congress?

My understanding is that any member of the executive department (and judicial) who must have the approval of the Senate to be appointed can be impeached.

13
There are fashion stories in the Top Headlines..

THE END IS NIGH!

14
Didn't the younger Adams hate President Harrison and Daniel Webster, too?

15 But don't you dare judge these lawyers and who they elect to defend for free!

Oh this gets my goat.  Let's say that I decide to provide pro bono defense work for a child molester (not that I would but go with it) because sub human scum need representation as well.  That's all great and spiffy but my choice to do so is not above judgment. 

If I choose to take on incredibly unpopular clients, then people will judge that.  Now, I might not like that and I can blather away about how such societal disapproval will cause a lack of volunteers to do this type of work.  But the decision to do so is not above reproach.

Of course it's fair to judge based on this.  Just like it would be completely fair to review if I'm always providing pro bono defense work for child molesters and I'm refusing to take any work pursuing compensation for the victims of molestation.  At a certain point, a pattern begins to develop.  That's completely fair game to observe as well.

This but don't you judge me stuff drives me nuts.

16 re #9: I had the same thought, but then I remembered that the Plame outing was POLITICALLY motived, not motived by a desire for justice. Pity Bush didn't give Scooter Libby a full pardon. We really need to clean house this fall and hope the new Repub majorities are more Reagan and less McCain.

17
yeah, JQA was a one-termer and a cranky fuck

18 Racists!

How dare you point out helping downtrodden, brown skinned freedom fighters with free legal help is not quite kosher (oops! sorry 'bout that!) when it involves outing CIA agents!  You're all just racists!

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20 Ignorance is strength.

21 This is what these a-holes always do.  They take ONE instance of some historical event and totally distort it into claiming support for their radical agenda.  You can almost see the scene at an ACORN/SEIU strategy meeting: "How can we convince the rubes that we're not outright communists?  I know!  Let's make phony connections to American history!"

22 OT, but: Green Zone bombs! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

23 This but don't you judge me stuff drives me nuts.

It's true.  Choices have consequences.  Something the left has difficulty grasping in general.

24 I want to take an ice pick and jam it in their (lawyers) eyes!

25 Here's another problem with the Adams analogy - Adams took the case because he knew the British soldiers were innocent of murder. They were threatened and attacked by an angry mob, and fired amidst noise, confusion and fear.

Adams had no patience for Revere's propaganda. He wanted the colonist's complaints to stand on reason.

26 How dare you point out helping downtrodden, brown skinned freedom fighters with free legal help is not quite kosher (oops! sorry 'bout that!)

I lol'd.  I did. 

27 Plame was outed by her husband who upon his return from Niger, wrote an op-ed announcing he was sent by the VP and found nothing.

Cheney was then asked by Russert on Sunday...who sent Joe Wilson?  Cheney says; not me!

More press questions then ensued...and the VP office went to work to find out who sent Wilson.

Thus the lie of the "political outing" of Plame.

The whole story was a MSM lie, and maybe even a setup.

28

It's true.  Choices have consequences.  Something the left has difficulty grasping in general.

Because it's not enough that they are free to make choices. You shouldn't think bad thoughts against them either because your thoughts hurt them.

I'd say it was childish, but I don't want to insult children.

29 Mark Levin has been speaking at length lately about John Adams and his case of defending ONE British soldier. It has been insightful listening. Mark makes his podcasts available for free on his site.

30 This points out how dangerous it is for liberals to control our education system.

It is much easier for them to twist history if no one is taught  it to begin with.

31 Is it possible to get a public accounting of the revenue streams these lawfirms enjoyed after representing the terrorists?  Did they get big, juicy contracts with Soros, Dubai, or KSA at or about the same time?

32 This country could use a lot less John Adams and a lot more Samuel Adams. And I don't (just) mean the beer.

Why can't the lawyers ever be on America's side in anything?

scum

/goes back to his pushups

33 Who were these "contractors" that took the photos - I thought the leftys hated contractors?

34

Plame wasn't outed because she wasn't covert ...

and the guy who did give up her name wasn't a White House operative ...  so it wasn't political the way you might think ...

 

 

35 I think were are going to need 8 years of Andrew Jackson to clean up for 4 years of Obama.

36 Obama to give UNPRECIDENTED speech in 30min.

37 Nixon did a resignation speech, so that can't be UNPRECEDENTED. Damn.

38 I'd say it was childish, but I don't want to insult children.

Children have the potential to mature out of childish thinking.  These crapweasels are at their endpoint.

39 Nixon did a resignation speech, so that can't be UNPRECEDENTED. Damn.

Obama could do his in 3D, so there still is hope.

40 wrong Jeff she WAS covert for most of her career. This meant that any foreign national meeting with her probably believed that at anytime in the future that THEY would also not be outed as having had dealings with the CIA. CIA agents are kept "covert" more to protect others than to protect themselves. Perhaps some moron could point out the last time an "outed" CIA agent was killed ?

41

John Adams wasn't an even an American when he defended the British soldier from the Boston massacre; he was a British subject looking to make his name known in the Massachusetts Bay Colony, seeking then, as many lawyers did and continue to do, the publicity necessary to cement their fortunes in the legal realm!

His actions at the time were not particularly "noble" nor were they partisan or against the Colonials' interest.  Mostly they were in favor of Adams' personal interest as an attorney interested in furthering his livelihood.

42 Obama to give UNPRECIDENTED speech in 30min. I'd like to thank President Obama for my appointment to head up the FCC.

43 I saw a racist a few blocks from a tea bag protest!  Stick with what's relevant!

44 As for the people who commissioned, took and disseminated these photos, I don't care if they are military or civilian...people need to go to jail.

I'm pretty sure the sentence for Treason is supposed to be hanging.

45 she WAS covert for most of her career. This meant that any foreign national meeting with her probably believed that at anytime in the future that THEY would also not be outed as having had dealings with the CIA. What are you talking about? She was an analyst, not a field operative. For a foreign national to meet with Valerie Plame, they would have to go to CIA headquarters.

46 I am sure the guys who took these photos were regular PIs and I would love to hear their stories on Rush or Levin.

47 People who think that CIA agents are in danger after being outed must be the biggest fans of Jason Bourne and James Bond

48 The whole story was a MSM lie, and maybe even a setup.

Posted by: pam at March 15, 2010 12:11 PM (h8R9p)

Well, it was, but I don't think the "outing" part was planned originally.

Plame and Wilson were looking for some way to derail the war effort as part of the Saudi's "diplomat" solution. 

Before Plame got Wilson sent on his mission, the Saudis had called on a number of their retainer ex-diplomats to agitate against the war. They weren't very successful though.

So then Wilson, who remember is part of a Saudi controlled "think tank" goes to Niger, finds the Iraqis were trying to acquire uranium, reports that to the CIA, and then publicly claims the opposite in his editorial. This is pretty much a text book setup, obviously.

I think they choose Wilson and Plame because the latter could get someone like Wilson sent -  not because they were trying to create some fallback position that exposing their perfidy was revealing a CIA agent. That was pretty much David Corn's creation.

Though it certainly is ironic that Corn advanced the Saudi's cause more then any of their paid flunkies could...

49 Posted by: Andy Rand at March 15, 2010 12:46 PM (mhD2v)

John ryan Noah Sarah sheik Yamani Too just can't quit us!

What are you talking about?

I think if John had $100 for every time some one asked him that George Soros would be working for him.

50 "Danger" is a red herring Andy - you know it limits their future activities.  The same argument that used with Palme. 

If your the new troll, do try and be logical.

51 Shakespeare was right about liberal lawyers.  Oh, and drawing and quartering would be too good for these traitorous scumbags.

52 18-1, there was also a significant institutional bias towards maintaining the containment and inspection regime.  Lots of jobs tied up in that.

53 18-1, there was also a significant institutional bias towards maintaining the containment and inspection regime.  Lots of jobs tied up in that.

Posted by: Jean at March 15, 2010 12:58 PM (CPefM)

True, but I think the Saudi involvement was critical. The fact that they "employ" so many State Department officials after they leave the dept, including Wilson, is a pretty serious scandal. Had the Saudis blessed the invasion, I don't think the ex-Staters would have raised much of a complaint....

54 there was also a significant institutional bias towards maintaining the containment and inspection regime.  Lots of jobs tied up in that.
Posted by: Jean at March 15, 2010 12:58 PM (CPefM)

Yeah, Scott Ritter needed Happy Meal and internet money to lure in little kids. That shit ain't cheap.

55 18-1, most State guys are going to fall back the US National Interest argument - and as long as we need oil and the Saudis have it - your not going to find many willing to support another point-of-view.  Whether they are still in service or on K Street.  That institution does not produce many guys like Bolton.

56 42 - His actions at the time were not particularly "noble" nor were they partisan or against the Colonials' interest.
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His actions were noble - he was defending the innocent. And yes, they were in the colonists' interests, insofar as he wanted to insure that their actions were always seen as based on reason and law, not mob action.

I've never before heard your interpretation that he took the case to further his legal career.

57 18-1, most State guys are going to fall back the US National Interest argument - and as long as we need oil and the Saudis have it - your not going to find many willing to support another point-of-view.  Whether they are still in service or on K Street.  That institution does not produce many guys like Bolton.

Posted by: Jean at March 15, 2010 01:06 PM (CPefM)

Again true...but that is the Saudi viewpoint to a T. Invading Iraq puts our monarchy at risk, therefore it puts your oil supply at risk.

Bush's argument was directly contrary to that - removing the tyranny to the north allows us to put pressure on your tyranny, which it turns leads to less of a threat to the oil we are depending on...

Early on Bush was pretty successful in that regard too - he got a small relaxation of Saudi religious rules and local elections.

But as the anti-war/Saudi "activists" started draining his political capital is leverage on the Saudis did also...

58 Ritter confuses me - he could have stayed in the Bahrain or Dubai and been a happy little pedophile the rest of life. Why did he come home?

59

You're missing a key distinction:  Adams' defended white men aka honkies or whitebread homeslices of pale.  The current patriots are defending swarthy men with back hair, ergo you're all racist teabaggers. 

Stop the hating! - you oriental hating, atomic bomb dropping, keeping the black man down aspiring, white supremicist loving, hobo hunting, reichwingers! 

Peace to all humanity - and don't forget to see my movies; your money is still green, correct, you homophobe, cousin kissing, Bush loving, moral cretins? 

TH, movie star, moral authority, future Commissar

60 18-1, I always wonder what would have happened had Bush or Cheney just run with the lefty caricature - and taken the Saudi oil fields.  Cut a deal with Russia and China on world oil prices and pumped it dry.

61 Adams shouldn't have signed the Sedition Act; it was basically used to prosecute political opponents (the Francophile Jeffersonians)--not unlike the political trials Obama and Holder had planned for John Yoo and the CIA interrogators until events forced them to abandon the kangaroo konduct.

The Valerie and Joe Plame Affair was a third rate coup-attempt by a rogue intel officer and diplomat to hijack American foreign policy from the accountable executive to unaccountable bureaucrats. You know, like the Founders intended.

62 If Plame was covert then Wilson would not have written that op-ed risking her outing....who told him to write it?  Why did he write it?  For the Saudi's?  Na, it was for the UnAmerican Democrat Party.

David Corn and his MSM commie war room ran this scam to hurt the VP.....they begged his office for info on who sent Wilson, only to accuse them of a crime when answering their press questions.

President Bush should have fought back, except he was too busy battling the Islamic headchoppers in two war theaters.

Our next Republican President had better be a ruthless SOB with our enemies within.

63 Cut a deal with Russia and China on world oil prices and pumped it dry.

Posted by: Jean at March 15, 2010 01:18 PM (CPefM)

Newletter? Need help with the campaign?

64 Ritter confuses me - he could have stayed in the Bahrain or Dubai and been a happy little pedophile the rest of life. Why did he come home?

Posted by: Jean at March 15, 2010 01:15 PM (CPefM)

Actually, speaking of him, I went to a few liberal chat rooms after his second arrest, and they seemed to believe this was proof that it was a politically motivated charge. Which makes no sense at all.

65 "The Lynn Stewart Project," I think.

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