1 It was a great...something... a little unfocused, a little unclear (whether he was talking about the 1920 depression, or now, or 1920 wasn't sure there, and watched it twice), a little bit simplistic, but the Network News aspect was hard not to view as impressive.

I'm just hoping the he doesn't rub off too much on Palin, because I think she needs to be influenced by someone a little more conventional.

2 Nice cheery post to start the morning off right, huh?  Marxists do it with guns, progressives do it with butter.

3 Cheery?  Hey, that's what the RINOs want.

What was the music used to intro him? 

4

ha ha look at what Yahoo news has this morning:

"President Barack Obama is making a fresh attempt to rescue his health care overhaul by proposing a measure that would allow the government to deny or roll back egregious insurance premium increases that infuriate consumers."

way to go, Mr Socialist...

5 2 Nice cheery post to start the morning off right, huh?  Marxists do it with guns, progressives do it with butter.

Actually they both try to do it the easiest way they can.  Both use force when the other ways inevitably fail.

6

Due to the constant apocalyptic rhetoric, I'm not a huge Beck fan, although I agree with much of what he says. And this is one thing I do agree with him on, that the greatest threat to our way of life comes from within.

I still do not get the "progressive" tag and why conservatives use it. Over time the word "liberal" rightfully began to carry a stigma, so all the leftists decided they wanted to "rebrand" themselves as progressives. Just because they want to unchain themselves from the tags of socialism and liberalism, why do we need to aid them?

They created the unfavorable connotation that goes with the label "liberal". Does it make sense for us to assist them in walking away from their own dung pile?

7 I'm just hoping the he doesn't rub off too much on Palin, because I think she needs to be influenced by someone a little more conventional.

Posted by: ParisParamus at February 22, 2010 07:09 AM (flcpl)

 

I don't think that many people influence Sarah Palin. Although she is a team player, she seems to have a mind of her own.

BTW, Glenn Beck is "conventional". But first and foremost, he is a showman.

8

Progressives are the disease.  If it takes 'Professor' Beck and his Travelling Chalkboard to rouse the 'hit the snooze alarm' crowd to the problem, then so be it.

Wilson was the most evil bastard to ever be President.  That takes into account Carter, who was and is no prize.

9 2 ways to look at 'politics'- like a harmless game where the only important thing is to win (media,operative and pundit way)...

or the it's the 'FATE OF OUR COUNTRY' way (Beck, TEA party, folks)

For the love of God, STOP worryin' about just winning and worry about the country. Do the RIGHT thing...the rest will follow.

10 Cheery?  Hey, that's what the RINOs want.

Posted by: ParisParamus at February 22, 2010 07:22 AM (flcpl)

Just figured a "We whupped Canada in hockey" thread would be a good idea.  Mr. Grumpy Ol' Conservative.  Or is it only RINOs that want to celebrate our victory over Canada?

11 It was heartening how people cheered for... ...the blackboard.  America is waking up and is thirsty for education.

In reading Bill Bennett's post on The Corner I thought that Glenn was going to be a lot harder on them than he was.  This was more of a wake-up scolding than a beating. 

12

@6

By demonstrating that the Progressives go back to the turn of the 20th century, Beck and other conservatives are able to stigmatize the Progressive label, also.

13 OT- (Kinda...): A happy 278th birthday to the Father of our Country, George Washington.

BTW- That low rumbling sound you can hear in downtown DC is not a passing Metro train, it is him rolling in his grave a few miles down river at Mt. Vernon.

14 What was the music used to intro him? 

Posted by: ParisParamus at February 22, 2010 07:22 AM (flcpl)

Uprising by Muse.

15 @1 You know Palin listens to glenn beck, right? As in his radio and tv show. Just thought I'd point that out.

16 Beck is part of the solution. Is he the sum total? No. If you're looking for someone to be the conservative end all, look no further than the White House for the liberal version.

Dismissing conservative voices because you disagree with certain aspects of their messaging puts us in the same place as "the eat their" own liberals.

It is a much better place to disagree with a man of whom you know where he stands, than to agree with a man who stands for everything....and nothing at all.

Beck forces us to think. Some would rather be told what to think.

17 I read where someone pointed out how there are conservative Republicans who are making alot of noise and doing the right thing.I would agree there are a few but 6-8 Republicans carrying the banner does not a party make, I agree with Beck that progressives are entrenched in both parties. One party will live and die on the progressive alter(Democrats), the other needs continued changes(Republicans) to carry the day and the country back out of this perpetual cycle of insanity and back to responsible leadership.

18 #15, my point is that SP needs to focus on the conservative substance.  Beck is a showman, and a great one at that; IMHO Palin needs to spend more time in the library, so to speak before she can aspire to Beck's showmanship.

19
Well at least we have dri trying to salvage what's left of this blog.

Last weekend will go down as the worst weekend in AoS history.

20

I listened to Bill Bennett tear Glen's CPAC address up on his radio talk show this morning. Disparaged everything about Glen including his recovery from addiction and then had the cajaones to call Arlen Spectre a moderate Republican.

I guess I just don't get it.

Maybe after coffee.

21

The reason that this country has sunk into this "progressive" abyss is that people are no longer educated in history and political philosophy. The dictators, the left, know that the only way they can get their programs through in the United States of America is to keep the population uninformed and propagandized.

Beck is a wonder. His show has huge ratings. He educates us on the history of the founders and the history of the progressives/marxists/communists.

Every book he mentions; real books, deep books, important books leap to the top of the best seller's list.

He HAS to be a showman so that he can be watched and absorbed by the population.

I think he is remarkable. He is teaching and people are listening. Those that denegrate him are doing so from the same impetus that some denegrate Sarah Palin. He's too common, too entertaining, too funny.

Well try to teach someone about the FED or Woodrow Wilson or socialist utopias without showmanship or humor or stunts and they will literally pass out from boredom and, in the process, never see the danger.

Bashing Beck is foolish. He is educating Americans on the pieces of history and economics that the progressives have purposefully left out of public and collegic education. You don't have to love him but at least respect the fact that he is effective.

Think of it this way: You are a 16 year old high school junior taking American History. Who do you stay awake for: Glenn Beck or George Will? America is educationally in 11th grade, let this teacher do the good work.

22 Well at least we have dri trying to salvage what's left of this blog.

Last weekend will go down as the worst weekend in AoS history.

Posted by: This is lolboner at February 22, 2010 08:24 AM (fFl1M)

Yeah, see if you can get a refund.  The service here is awful.

23 Gah, an HOUR?

Is there a transcript I can skim?

24

Gah, an HOUR?

Is there a transcript I can skim?

Thats like using ketchup on a t-bone.

You ruin it. 

The video is worth the time.

 

 

25

# 23

Gah, an HOUR?

Is there a transcript I can skim?

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 22, 2010 09:07 AM (SMgMW)

Think of it more like a 45-50 minute college lecture.  People pay good money for stuff like this.

26 Beck is making the point this morning that "nobody is showing any highlights from this which is odd, very odd".   Interestingly I seem to recall that last year they were yapping about Rush's speech all over the place.  He's curious "why you wouldn't take him with the word conservative behind him and pound it into the ground".   Because maybe he said he didn't come off as an evil hate monger?  maybe most people could relate to the speech?  says Beck.  He didn't feel it for the first ten minutes he is saying.  You could tell that he didn't feel it if you watch him often.  He knew everyone was "Just laying in wait", "just get him".  since they didn't attack it and aren't showing it indicates that "You can't make me into a hate monger, I didn't make any mistakes, all my points were in history."   Matt drudge didn't put him up except William Bennett saying that Beck is wrong was up. (there is a sky news thing next to drudge so that might indicate that drudge is no longer just drudge, have mentioned this before but it makes sense)

27

The intro music is NOT Uprising by muse - go ahead, watch the video on youtube it doesn't sound like it, google the lyrics, you won't find the words in the song being played there.

It is an original piece of music done for the show.  I found some place on the web that had the explanation - it s obscure to find - but he explains what it says and means.  Some of the the lyrics - we search for answers everywhere, we will be the key.  You must remember who we are, we must be the key. 

It is a song about self-reliance, not about rebellion. 

Ahh, here ya go: LINK 

28 He is playing some of the clips from the speech and wants you to decide if America and the republican party are on the same page.  He is making the point that the audience at CPAC was very young (I know, all my friends went, well the ones that aren't obamabots)

29 No one has discussed CPAC here but I've gotten an awful lot of feedback from my "first timers".  Basically they say that Beck's speech saved the convention that was riddled with rift and argument.   They said they felt there was a power struggle between the "old" conservative party and the new young people who were there full of hope.

30 I say we call liberals what they are: damn dirty Commies. If they love Communism so much, they damn well better embrace the label. Not a fan of Beck due to his over emoting all the time, but if he can wake the masses good. It's about time people woke up and learned about their country's history. We need to fight against falling into the existential abyss Europe finds itself in. And get rid of the Commies once and for all.

31 Beck is successful because Americans are starving for someone that talks about real American history in a relatively unbiased fashion, rather than talking about the pop culture tidbit of the day.

32 I had forgotten about the switch progressives made to calling themselves liberals (which they later started to call themselves progressives again) prior to McGovern's campaign.  I'm glad Beck reminded me.

33 Posted by: wherestherum at February 22, 2010 09:25 AM (CjEzq)

Well he cried at the end of this speech and I'm told people had been weeping all through his speech, mostly the "old people" were the ones weeping.  "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice"

34

Love him or hate him, Glenn Beck has emerged as a force in the Conservative universe.

Beck ceased being a "conservative" long ago.  I had to quit watching him because I found that his version of history was largely FOS in a lot of places and his Republicans are just as bad as Democrats meme just kept getting worse.  Sure Lindsey Graham = Democrap but ALL Republicans are not Lindsey Graham RINOs.

I keep waiting for Beck to come out in full bore Paul-bot mode because that is what he is beginning to sound like more and more.   

35 progressives still believe in EVOLUTION ? conservatives have fought against change but it is continuing without them. DADT will be another loss for them

36

His "over emoting"?   His "over emoting"??   His "over emoting"???   LOL

 

You can't make this stuff up, folks. It only happens here , live on AOSHQ.

37

Bill Bennett's piece over on NRO misses the point - or is the point.  He faults Beck for being too hard on the GOP - that the GOP has recognized the problem, and is making amends.  He says how can you say there is no difference between Harry Reid and Tom Coburn, for example. True enough, they are different.  But what does the GOP establishment think of Tom Coburn?  Or Michelle Bachmann, or Jim DeMint, or Paul Ryan?  To stir the pot more, what do they think of Sarah Palin?

The PARTY doesn't think of Jim DeMint or Michelle Bachmann as rising stars, they think of them as eccentrics that have to be put up with and would just as soon see some go along to get along congenial gentlemen/gentlewomen up there. 

 

 

38 I appreciate his passion. It just strikes me as over the top. Rush doesn't get weepy when he's passionate. I just don't like it. But like I said, if he's educating people, good. I just don't watch him myself.

39

I listened to Bill Bennett tear Glen's CPAC address up on his radio talk show this morning. Disparaged everything about Glen including his recovery from addiction and then had the cajaones to call Arlen Spectre a moderate Republican. I guess I just don't get it.

Bill Bennett is a progressive in sheep's clothing - in polite parlance, he's a "RINO".

 

40

Beck ceased being a "conservative" long ago.  I had to quit watching him because I found that his version of history was largely FOS in a lot of places and his Republicans are just as bad as Democrats meme just kept getting worse.  Sure Lindsey Graham = Democrap but ALL Republicans are not Lindsey Graham RINOs.

Beck isn't saying that all republicans are Lindsey Graham. He is trying to make a point about where the republican party has gone since Reagan. George HW Bush, John McCain for god's sake, Bill Bennet, etc. THE LEFT WON because the republicans were liberals-light. People like Hannity (although) he says he doesn't are rah-rah all repulicans. We have to be real conservatives to WIN and take this country back.

41 Bill Bennett is an old has been. 

42 conservatives have fought against change but it is continuing without them. DADT will be another loss for them

Well sure when change equals Marxism we are all for fighting against that. I am not sure most conservatives care about DADT, it was enacted by a Democrat president after all. I know you would like to distract us with inconsequential social issues that make for good PR but Obama is fiddling while the economy burns. 

43 Never thought much of william bennett.  mainly I think I ignored him because I felt he had an over inflated sense of his own intelligence and importance.  Guess Beck has him running scared and all the republicans who are not really reagan republicans.

44 Yeah, but Vic, you also think that Fox's Martha McCallum is a commie.

45 Mark Levin ripped Beck a new one too.  I'll say one thing for the dems, they don't ever seem to eat their own. 

46

Remember the 96 election?  Bill Clinton at least gave lip service to more "Contract With America" items than Bob Dole. 

Remember that John McCain was "moderate" and was supposed to be exactly what the doctor ordered for bi-partisan, moderate, etc.  The press still ripped him, and he lost to that empty suit. 

 

47 Perhaps I've underestimated Beck since the MSM isn't covering the speech at all, since they essentially buried it and he says they were there in force.  So, perhaps, since he came from CNN he knows what they were looking for and is so on his game that he never gave them that sound bit to manipulate.

48 "45 Mark Levin ripped Beck a new one too.  I'll say one thing for the dems, they don't ever seem to eat their own. 

Posted by: Tami at February 22, 2010 09:44 AM (VuLos)"

that makes sense.  Levin has been saying a lot of what Beck is saying and no one has really listened.  So there is a little tiny bit of absolute jealousy there.  I like Levin but he is old and Bennett is old and they have failed miserably as conservatives.  So the new young conservatives are coming up and Beck is reaching out to them.  they are the future and Beck is right to do this.

49 I see some comments about Bill Bennett here. As far as I'm concerned Bennett is part of the problem. He got several callers this morning who wanted to make what seemed like good points but he kept interrupting and cutting them off before they could actually make their full points. That is a sign of a man who has no argument and knows it.

Bennett is the quintessential RINO, he's nothing more than a moral coward and a spineless squish. Here is just one example to make my point:
On his show this morning Bennett actualy said that he would accept Joe Liberman into the Republican party. If that doesn't tell you everything you need to know about him then nothing will.

Okay, you twisted my arm, one more example:
At the mere mention of Ann Coulter by one of his callers Bennett cut the caller off and went on a long rant about Coulter and how she ought to be careful about the way she chooses to make her arguments.

50

He is trying to make a point about where the republican party has gone since Reagan.

Well it would be nice if he would just say that instead of his daily Republicans are just as bad as Dems routine.  He forcefully says that over and over. You just can not gloss over it and wish it away anymore. It has become part of his schtick.

Yeah, but Vic, you also think that Fox's Martha McCallum is a commie.

And yes, she is a liberal who most likely voted for Obama, as did 90% of the Fox news teams. Yes she is hawt, but then again so is Megan Fox. I prefer the dumb hawt up front.  

 

51 I've noticed that people here do not like Beck.  I've tried to analyze why.  I've also noticed that no one is talking about CPAC cause I don't think it went the way "the old guarde" expected it to go.

52

48. EXACTLY. I love what Mark has to say but I can't listen to his voice and he isn't funny, just irritating.

What did he disagree with?

53

Levin talks a good talk, but if you listen very closely, you get the sense that if push were to come to shove, he wouldn't walk the walk.

And then there's the whole OTHER THING which I think is kinda the bottom line with guys like Levin.

 

54 Dagny...here's the link to Levin.

http://tinyurl.com/ygdvtqy

55

Hey, why is everybody talking about Beck?  You all heard my CPAC speech, right?  That Walmart line was a hum dinger, now wasn't it? (should be; it cost a lot).  Oh and, I agree with 18, Palin needs to spend more time in the library, like I did and Reagan did.  Romney/Paul 2012

56

51 I constantly wonder why people don't like Beck either. I watch his DVRed show every night and my husband actually leaves the room or just laughs. (He is always second to "get it"--he was a libtard once and his first impulse is to believe the pop mantra).

Anyone who has actually watched beck over a period of time has to like him. Those that don't think they are somehow more sophisticated than Beck or beck fans. When critisizing him they point out periferals not substance. 90% of the people out there, including conservatives, will go with the "pop" opinion because they 1. don't think for themselves, 2. don't want to be "uncool" 3. Think they are superior. Well, if they were superior they would have a bazillion dollars and a bazillion viewers.

I like beck. I also like domestic beer and coffee without flavors or steamed milk. I guess I'm not "enlightened"

57

I've noticed that people here do not like Beck.  I've tried to analyze why.  I've also noticed that no one is talking about CPAC cause I don't think it went the way "the old guarde" expected it to go.

Go read the excelent article at "American Thinker" to understand why. CPAC started out good and went to shit as the Paulbots took over. Beck has become a Paulbot.

58 Not sure if anyone can get to Levin's response on FB to Beck's CPAC, but here ya go. Not to get into a Levin vs. Beck tug-o-war, but I know there is some strong animosity between the two.  That being said, I highly respect Mark Levin.  I fail to see how Mark is 1) old and 2) a failure as a conservative.  He has a massive audience, especially for those who want a no nonsense, intellectual approach to conservatism.  He has taught me a lot.  I credit much of my "activism" to Mark Levin....and this is from someone who didn't care or involve myself in politics until a few short years ago.  Beck's (and I do watch him) theatrics didn't accomplish this, Levin did for me.  I agree with a lot of what GB says, but there are aspects to him that grate on me....and I sometimes can't shake the feeling that he ventures too close to the "tele-evangelical" territory with his antics and self promotion. 

59 Posted by: Twinks at February 22, 2010 09:57 AM (wRPBa)

I think the Conservative party and the old guarde are afraid to admit that they had more young conservatives than ever before, because of Beck.

I disagree Vic, I'm hearing from people who were there that there was a genuine rift between the young and the old and the young are determined to win.

60

Beck has become a Paulbot.

Oh, please

61 would be fascinating to see Beck, and Linbaugh and Levin and savage work as a team.  Would scare the crap out of a lot of people.

62 I keep waiting for Beck to come out in full bore Paul-bot mode because that is what he is beginning to sound like more and more.

I think that's when Beck started to transform into his current version -- he interviewed Ron Paul several times during the primaries, when no other media outlet would touch him, and Paul mentioned that Beck should look into some free-market books and thinkers, and ever since then, Beck has been getting  more and more vocal about free-market ideals, anti-Progressivism, and originalist-Constitutionalist political theory. 

Which doesn't bother me a bit, other than the visible presence of the Ronulans, who are fucking political Kryptonite.  I came to conservatism by way of anti-Progressivism, so I'm glad to see a mainstream pundit talk about how Progressivism is a pile of propaganda and lies and a road straight to economic misery, but it is definitely surprising nonetheless.  I never thought these ideas would gain much popular traction, particularly once conservatism got transformed into "compassionate conservatism," which, as far as I could consists of starting with conservative rhetoric and then adding a shitload of new government spending and record deficits. 

63

I disagree Vic, I'm hearing from people who were there that there was a genuine rift between the young and the old and the young are determined to win.

Could it be that the "young" were all Paulbots who came in to take control of CPAC?  That poll was very instructive as to who was there at CPAC.  Yes, there is a "rift" between the Paulbots and real conservatives. It is called reality.  

We will just have to disagree on this one.   

64

I don't know what to think about Beck other than I can't listen to him for very long. He does some good but I prefer to get the good points he makes from the intertubes instead of suffering through and hour of doom and gloom.

We were in alot more trouble than we are now when Reagan was president considering the fact that we could have been incinerated at any moment by the evil empire, unenployment was higher, inflation and interest rates were through the roof.  Reagan would say hey it sucks now but here is how we are going to make it better. Beck says hey it sucks now, go stock up on bacon, ammuntion and canned goods because I got nothin.

Then there is the crying.

65 You know Bill so internalized what he is feeling about this country and how his wife was treated that rather than say how upset he is, he literally is eating his heart out.  they never attack their own.  With conservatives and republicans they really have to do nothing cause they have a penchant for destroying their own.  Notice, Palin went to the young.  Everyone is disgusted with those who cling to their archaic beliefs and refuse to change even for the good of their country. 

66 Mark Levin and Bill Bennett are both aging, pompous, self-absorbed blowhards. They, like George Will, are full of themselves. They demand themselves.

Beck is self-deprecating. They hate that, and they hate that he blows everyone but Rush away in terms of ratings and the effectiveness with which he spreads his message.

They react like jealous middle school girls. The only question is, which one will Lindsey Lohan play?

67

I've noticed that people here do not like Beck.

"Beck" tends to be a Scots or German name.

But because this is a military blog which roots for Israel, there are an awful lot of posters here [often posting under multiple aliases] who aren't exactly WASPs or Catholics.

It's the same thing you see in Levin - their crowd senses that they don't own Beck, hence that they can't control him.

And they don't like what they can't control.

 

68

Beck is disparaged for being a "showman." What do you think Rush is?

Does Rush get attention over much less entertaining voices for conservatism?

Does Rush make a clown of himself with, for instance, altered/funny song lyrics?

Is Rush a polarizing personality?

Would either Rush or Beck be the force that they are if they were dry and monotonous, albeit accurate, lecturers?

I don't get the Beck bashing. He's doing a hell of a service by educating the people and showing them sources for further educating themselves.

 

69

Paul mentioned that Beck should look into some free-market books and thinkers, and ever since then, Beck has been getting  more and more vocal about free-market ideals, anti-Progressivism, and originalist-Constitutionalist political theory. 

I have no propblem with any of that.  I have often said Ron Paul expouses some good ideas.  Too bad the good ideas are overcome with absolute insanity on his foreign policy and truther BS.

And yes, because of that he IS political Kryptonite.

70 Posted by: Vic at February 22, 2010 10:03 AM (QrA9E)

I knew a lot a lot of the young conservatives there and none of them, none of them are Paulbots and neither is Beck.

71

Beck says hey it sucks now, go stock up on bacon, ammuntion and canned goods because I got nothin.

Maybe you should actually watch his speech. He jsut did an hour on "Morning in America"  but after Obama, the morning is going to have to start with vomiting the hangover.

He is trying to break through the complete lack of understanding about where Obama is going. No one else is doing it.

And since when are the free market, the founders, and the constitution the property of the Paulbots?

72 I  suspect that you've got to be a conservative from the New York Metropolitan Area to get the real flavor of both Glenn Beck and Mark Levin. I suspect, also, that their humor and especially Beck's flamboyance are lost on people in rural parts of the country. But I could be wrong.

73

I suspect that you've got to be a conservative from the New York Metropolitan Area to get the real flavor of both Glenn Beck and Mark Levin. I suspect, also, that their humor and especially Beck's flamboyance are lost on people in rural parts of the country. But I could be wrong.

You're kidding, right?

It's the Scarsdale/Brentwood/West Palm Beach crowd which DESPISES Glenn Beck.

74

"Beck" tends to be a Scots or German name.

But because this is a military blog which roots for Israel, there are an awful lot of posters here [often posting under multiple aliases] who aren't exactly WASPs or Catholics.

OMG It's a JOOOOOO blog. Why didn't anyone tell me? My ancestors landed at Jamestown and I'm a WASP converted to Catholicism. I thought I supported Israel because it was a middle eastern democracy and is continually facing anilation by the evil islamofacists.  I had no idea I was a JOOO.

So glad I found out!

75 72 I  suspect that you've got to be a conservative from the New York Metropolitan Area to get the real flavor of both Glenn Beck and Mark Levin. I suspect, also, that their humor and especially Beck's flamboyance are lost on people in rural parts of the country. But I could be wrong.

Posted by: A Casual Observation at February 22, 2010 10:09 AM (ITzbJ)

What the hell kind of prejudice is that?

76 Robtr, don't forget to stock up on mac & cheese when you can get 2-for-1.  heh  Beck serves a good purpose, I don't deny him that.  He isn't afraid to make some very serious connections between all these slimy bastard dirtballs in D.C.  He makes you think.  And the red phone never rings and no one ever negates what he says...so there must be something to it or they'd scream bloody murder.  But I think...for the purposes of a strong, cohesive Repub party, he needs to lay off the blame Repub's/they're just the same bandwagon.  It's an absurd statement and one that weakens the party message.  He, of all people, should be more attuned to what has happened the entire past year with the conservative movement.  That includes those in the political sphere that have heard the message loud and clear.  They've held strong in voting against this Marxist agenda.  Many have come out in strong criticism of what jug ears is doing.  I think even the old establishment R's are getting the message.  In that respect, Beck needs to give credit where credit is due.  To do otherwise, again, weakens this movement.

77

I suspect that you've got to be a conservative from the New York Metropolitan Area to get the real flavor of both Glenn Beck and Mark Levin. I suspect, also, that their humor and especially Beck's flamboyance are lost on people in rural parts of the country. But I could be wrong.

Please. Mark would be a superstar if his voice didn't make you want to tear your ears off.

Real America loves Beck---that's why his ratings are so high. He talks about God which appeals to real americans, he talks about the foiunders which appeals to real americans, he is funny which appeals to real americans, etc. It's the people who think they are "intellectuals" and haven't read a book that wasn't recommened by the NYT who hate beck.

78 OMG, Beck just said "that's why the proof is in the pudding" and his sidekick said in a very funny, maybe he reads here way "there's pudding?"

79 Rush says it over and over. Reagan said it too. If we do real conservatism, we win. When we do liberal-lite, we lose. If you're going to get big spending, then why not go with the culturally popular choice. McCain was a disaster. THAT is what he is saying. The republicans were turning into mush to try to be the big tent. When they do that they 1. Lose 2. Put us in jeopardy., 3. further the ideals of the left

80

Posted by: at February 22, 2010 10:12 AM (kyg+f)

 

The buzz word there was, "conservatives".

81

Dagny,

I had the TV on for awhile when he was making it and noticed the same thing Bennett did. Several repbulicans have come out and said they screwed up, spent to much and lost the trust of the voters. Beck seems to have missed them all, in fact I don't know of any republicans who haven't. Instead of saying hey we are making some progress, Beck just continued to rail against a straw man.

82 I get tired of BECK'S "they like me, they really like me" bleetings. I think he is smart and can make some very good points. But I wish he would leave the crazy out so his credibility would be less questionable. He is no savior of the party. Good foot soldier...we need a REAL LEADER...a Reaganite!

83

Real America loves Beck---that's why his ratings are so high. He talks about God which appeals to real americans, he talks about the foiunders which appeals to real americans, he is funny which appeals to real americans, etc. It's the people who think they are "intellectuals" and haven't read a book that wasn't recommened by the NYT who hate beck.

I think that's spot on. I'm among those who can't listen to him for very long, tho. For me it boils down to not wanting to listen to a grown man cry. Maybe it's a silly guy thing but that's just the way it is for me.

84 And since when are the free market, the founders, and the constitution the property of the Paulbots?

They're not, of course. 

I have believed for a long time that a candidate on the Right could blow the Left out of the water if he/she could begin with a core platform espousing free market principles and then actually LIVE them, and also identify himself with the social-lifestyle stuff that goes along with it (the founders, the true history of Progressivism, such as how they came up with the ideas of abortion and prohibition, etc.). 

The Media Left would fucking HATE someone like that.  It's basically Rush Limbaugh -- a hard-core free marketer, never really claimed to have derived his beliefs from religion (but is still protective of Christianity when he attacks anti-Christian bigots), and connects extremely well with people because he spends most of his time talking about conservatism from a personal, lifestyle, psychological point of view. 

The Bush years were not good for Rush.  Neither was the McCain nomination.  He was painted as a blind Bush supporter, even as he spent 8 years railing against the liberal-style spending and economic policies.  He couldn't get that message out, because he had to spend all his time defending anti-Islamic militarism, which is not what he made his name on.  Now that Chicago Jesus is in office, Rush is super-relevant again. 

85 If Glenn Beck really wants to blow up the progressive plans, he ought to just start targeting me.

86

Well, he doesn't cry that often. I don't either but I CANNOT keep it together for 1. The National Anthem, 2. Any support our troops stuff, 3. Ronald Reagan, 4. The old guys on vetern's day.

 In all other areas I'm pretty callous.

I guess I understand where it comes from and it doesn't offend me in the slightest.

87 Beck just continued to rail against a straw man.

Posted by: robtr at February 22, 2010 10:25 AM (fwSHf)

Good point. I wonder if Beck isn't confusing Michael Steele's failure as a spokesman with the GOP as a whole. I think there are several national-level Republicans who have admitted the mistakes of the past and who have committed to rectifying those mistakes. Unfortunately, Steele hasn't been one of them - or if he has, he's failed to get the message out to us peasants.

Beck has, in the past, talked about good people coming forth to reclaim American politics, but I think he has shifted away from that message. He could use a staffer to analyze his past shows and track message progression, and where he has dropped themes that could profitably be re-addressed.

Maybe his problem is that he has outgrown his present "One-man band" setup. Performers aren't usually good organizers. I think he needs to hire a wonk.

88

The Bush years were not good for Rush.  Neither was the McCain nomination.

Rush felt the same way about McCain that I did. McCain was a lib but we had to support him once he got the nomination because the alternative IS so horrific.

That whole McCain thing sucked and we got sucked into it by republicans who believed the media spin that the "big tent" was a winner instead of conservatism.

89 The republicans aren't getting it.  they want that "big tent" made larger, more encompassing.  They want to continue the republican circus.  We are at the point in this country where we do not trust anything that people say.  We are starting to judge them by their actions.  If they say one thing and do another, then they are a republican or a democrat.  They think the American people are just plain stupid.  At this point the American people want truth, plain and simple, truth.  They aren't getting it.  The republicans need a good trouncing.  They are going off in the wrong direction again and they will lose again.  I hope JD Heyward trounces McCain.  He deserves it, he let all Americans down cause he didn't do his best in the race.  Essentially he looked at BO, said to himself "this guy thinks just like me, what am I doing here?" and gave up.  Mitt will do the same.

90

OMG It's a JOOOOOO blog. Why didn't anyone tell me? My ancestors landed at Jamestown and I'm a WASP converted to Catholicism. I thought I supported Israel because it was a middle eastern democracy and is continually facing anilation by the evil islamofacists. I had no idea I was a JOOO. So glad I found out!

Look, Ron Paul is a wingnut on foreign policy, and he is very soft [essentially an appeaser] on Islam.

But he's dead right on how the NYC crowd has used the Federal Reserve as their own personal piggy bank - printing themselves tens of billions of dollars in profits [funneled through the likes of AIG & Fanny & Freddie] at the expense of our children & grandchildren, who are now essentially vassals to Communist China.

Guys like Paul and Beck would turn off the spigots at the Fed, and that's why the NYC crowd has to stop them at all costs [no pun intended].

 

91 In all other areas I'm pretty callous.

I guess I understand where it comes from and it doesn't offend me in the slightest.

Everybody responds in their own unique way. I don't think many people here truly hate Beck, it's just the method of delivery that can be off putting to some people.

92 82 I get tired of BECK'S "they like me, they really like me" bleetings. I think he is smart and can make some very good points. But I wish he would leave the crazy out so his credibility would be less questionable. He is no savior of the party. Good foot soldier...we need a REAL LEADER...a Reaganite!

Posted by: rightzilla at February 22, 2010 10:27 AM (rVJH4)

Beck isn't a movement leader, or a king maker. I think he might destroy his ability to connect if he were to control himself too tightly. Instead, think of him as the Oprah of the right. With all the books he has recommended to conservatives over the last year, maybe he should just start his own book club.

93

 I think there are several national-level Republicans who have admitted the mistakes of the past and who have committed to rectifying those mistakes.

Two things. He did have a schtick going with congressmen committing to be "refounders" so he does know they are out there.

He may not be calling the good ones out by name because he may recognize that his SPECIFIC endorsement would be toxic.

Palin stayed away from Brown for that very reason and I don't think it's too hard to believe that Beck understands that. He perfers to talk about the people taking the country back

Besides can you really trust these specific politicians to hold true if they don't have their feet held to the fire?

94 there was a genuine rift between the young and the old and the young are determined to win.

What exactly are we talking about here? What are the issues on which they differ?

95 Geezez, Beck is entertaining. If you take away a subliminal message after listening to him, that's fine. That's great. That's FAN-tastic. But he's on talk radio and Fox for your entertainment. Even some of the Democrats get it. That's why they listen to him. He's the guy that they love to hate. The guy is Nick At Night, The Cartoon Channel and The Learning Channel all rolled into one nifty, little guy.

96 >>I like Levin but he is old and Bennett is old and they have failed miserably as conservatives.  So the new young conservatives are coming up and Beck is reaching out to them.  they are the future and Beck is right to do this.<< - Curious

I'll say this for the current crop of youth:  they have an enormous sense of their own importance.  All us old people were "the future" once, Jack.  It's not all it's cracked up to be.

97

Guys like Paul and Beck would turn off the spigots at the Fed, and that's why the NYC crowd has to stop them at all costs [no pun intended].

I would be there is more arab influence there now than jew

98 Is intersting cuntry. glenn beck very intersting. in my cuntry we praise such by saying he is rill kog sugger.

99

Besides can you really trust these specific politicians to hold true if they don't have their feet held to the fire?

Posted by: dagny at February 22, 2010 10:41 AM (pGM6h)

I agree. You're right that his endorsement would be more trouble than it is worth. Maybe what he needs to do is shift the message from 'they are all worthless and weak' to 'let's encourage them as they come around'. No names, just general principles.

100

The guy is Nick At Night, The Cartoon Channel and The Learning Channel all rolled into one nifty, little guy.

And where would you prefer the bitter clingers get their politics? MSNBC?

101 From the feedback I'm getting the young people who went to CPAC were totally shocked to see the disension among the conservatives.   They felt the conservative party being torn apart the entire weekend and they felt that Beck's speech came at just the right time to bring people back to the reality that if they are all torn apart they will be very ineffective.  I didn't mean to insult anyone who is "old" but apparently all the old people did at CPAC was fight.

102 Glenn rocked it.

103

Everybody responds in their own unique way. I don't think many people here truly hate Beck, it's just the method of delivery that can be off putting to some people.

Posted by: ErikW at February 22, 2010 10:40 AM (Fik7Z)

True, true.  I like Levin, listen to him a lot.  I haven't heard much of Beck, as I never found him on the radio in my area, and I don't have TV, so I only watch him at my sister's.  I like his historical stuff a lot.  And he and Levin are only less-than-seven years apart in age - hardly an enormous difference.

And I *love* Rush - have listened to him since he first hit the airwaves.

104

Besides can you really trust these specific politicians to hold true if they don't have their feet held to the fire?

Posted by: dagny at February 22, 2010 10:41 AM (pGM6h)

No you can't, but you can give credit where credit is due. I think the republicans as a whole have been doing great work in stopping cap and trade (although ghram is starting to worry me on that one) , health care reform, they were united against the porkulus (for the most part) and pointed out it's failures to the public. Even McCain.

The headline at politico was that Beck Rails Against Republicans. I know he is not a republican and he can rail against whoever he wants, this time his ranting wasn't consistant with the facts.  

105

I would listen to Levin more if he weren't on during the dinner hour and did sound like Chuck Shumer.

I have to say that the NYC accent has to be the most horrible sound in the entire world. I would rather hear a symphony of fingernails on a chalk board, Nancy Estrich, rubbing styrofoam, and 3 year old boys with train whistles and harmonicas.

106 Posted by: robtr at February 22, 2010 10:53 AM (fwSHf)

His thinking was consistent with what people are thinking and seeing through the prism of the MSM.  robert, not everyone is as informed as you are and as savvy.  Most people are exhausted with their own lives.  Now they are trying very hard to pay attention to politics and the economy.  But, they aren't seeing the facts, they are thinking the republicans have failed them just as bad as the democrats.

107

The headline at politico was that Beck Rails Against Republicans. I know he is not a republican and he can rail against whoever he wants, this time his ranting wasn't consistant with the facts.

Except that he didn't. I love the media, the pathological liars.

108 You know, dagny, at 8:55 and at 9:39 you hit two home runs out of the park, which surprised me, quite frankly. But now you're getting, well, more like your usual self. Stop being defensive. I agree with you more often than not.

109

67 wtf??  Did a hurricane blow you in from Sturmunddrang front?

Beck annoys me only so far as his delivery (the crying and over-overwrought delivery gets to me), but he points out some very interesting things, makes some interesting points, and is correct on several things imho.  I don't think he's a paulbot either -- sometimes, on some things a person can agree with Paul without being a member of his cult after all.

 

I like Rum's idea too: let's call the "liberal/progressives" for what they really are: socialists, leftists, statists...heck, fascists (because they are obsessed with power over people's lives and punishing those they see as "unfit"...and they hate religion, as they are envious of the power and control they feel religion takes from them) -- I know the rules about Godwin's Law, but that's exactly what they are.  They are by no means liberal; they really aren't that progressive (look at how they act and their pet ideas -- that is original and will progress society?)...and I am tired of them taking on words which once stood for something positive and good, and twisting them. 

110 One of my co workers just said "what the economy is a mess and he's back to health care?"  when he walked in and saw BO on the big CNBC screen.  After a while people are going to begin to wonder how come they aren't being heard in DC.  My co worker is a prime example.

111 Anyone else having a problem with this thread?  I have to go off the site and come back on and go to this thread at least three times and then the thread hangs right after Erik W's comment and I have to keep refreshing to finally see the last comment.

112

I would be there is more arab influence there now than jew

Then you would bet wrong.

The Pharisees own the Fed right now, and they are using it as their own personal piggy bank.

I assume that think they can move on to somewhere else after they have sucked this country dry - but to where, I don't know - I kinda doubt that the Chicoms will accept them.

And there are so many Muslims in Europe [to include Russia] now that returning to their former homelands isn't an option for them.

 

113

Casual, why are you surprised and what is defensive?

114 Yeah curious, it's effed up.

115

My point is that we can all go back to when republicans were out of control, crazy spending machines. Obama does it everytime he opens his mouth. Newflash for Beck and Obama, republicans lost control of the house and senate in 2006 and spending got worse, alot worse. They lost more seats in 2008 and spending has reached levels never seen before. Obama was a member of congress  during that time and voted for the 2009 budget he said he inherited and gave a speech on the senate floor praising the extra spending the democrat congress was able to get into the bill.

I just think it would be more productive if you want to talk about history to talk about the history of the current congress since a large number of the pre 2006 republicans are no longer in congress and the ones that are have admitted they were idiots and promised not to do it again for the most part.

116

 Anyone else having a problem with this thread?

curious, try any browser other than Firefox.

117 I spent the hour watching this.  I thought it was very powerful and very well presented.

I *guess* I understand where people are coming from regarding the supposed "anti-Republican" message in his speech, but I look at it this way.

1) None of the letters in CPAC stand for "Republican."
2) While certain members of the Republican Party have acknowledged past mistakes and have made strides in moving forward, some of the most influential have been either dead silent on the matter or say just enough to maybe save their jobs.  For example, John McCain.  If he hadn't just lost in 2008 and his job wasn't being threatened now, could anyone here say he's actually learned a lesson?  The same goes for a lot of other influential Republicans. 

We not only have to hear the words, we need to see them backed up with actions that tell us they are not just lip service.  Beck is absolutely correct that we have NOT seen that yet.  We are not seeing aggressive leadership and communication - we're seeing platitudes from all except a few worthwhile fighters - Palin, Bachmann, DeMint, Ryan to name a few.  Where is Mitch McConnell?  Where is Boehner?  Fairly quiet.

When the Republicans get a collective sack of nuts to stand up for their country, then they should get the credit for moving in the right direction.  That's just not happening yet.  The vocal fighters are the exception, NOT the rule.

That's what Beck is talking about.

118 Generally, the kind of flaws I find hardest to deal with are those in a film or book I almost love, or do love, but wasn't "perfect."--"it was so close to being amazingly good or great; why wasn't it?"--the mediocre is just forgettable.

For art, the above is a valid standard.  For stuff political, not so much.  You don't need to either adore or detest Glenn Beck.

Yes, Beck has flaws, but he delivers substance, SUBSTANCE in an entertaining, memorable way that reaches both me, and others who would otherwise not be reached.  Hey, Rush isn't quite my cup of tea either, but I have the utmost respect for him.

By the way, re Mark Levin, I don't know if it's true, but if it's plagiarism, that isn't jealousy; plagiarism is theft.

119 @ 34

Beck ceased being a "conservative" long ago.  I had to quit watching him because I found that his version of history was largely FOS in a lot of places and his Republicans are just as bad as Democrats meme just kept getting worse.  Sure Lindsey Graham = Democrap but ALL Republicans are not Lindsey Graham RINOs.

I keep waiting for Beck to come out in full bore Paul-bot mode because that is what he is beginning to sound like more and more.

Well said. Beck is not a conservative, he's primarily a populist (a term I use as a pejorative) -- his shtick is much like O'Reilly's "I'm lookin' out for you," inasmuch as he considers himself as the bane of those overwhelming outside forces "out to get you" and the voice of all the little people struggling against those forces. That's not to say that he and I wouldn't have many areas of agreement with regard to public policy, but this weepy populist schlock I find hard to take.

120 Saw McConnell on one of the sunday shows.  Was so disgusted with what I saw I turned him off.  He's a democrat progressive through and through.  His answers were not republican/conservative by any means.  He was walking a tight rope and he fell off in my mind.

121 @ 79 Rush says it over and over. Reagan said it too. If we do real conservatism, we win.

Barry Goldwater might disagree. But then, he wasn't a "real" conservative, right?

122

Beck's speech was freakin' brilliant!

the repubs that hate him so much, that belittle and deride him do so because they have been infected with the progressivism bug.

it 's the same way they look at the TEA parties, they see them as crazy ppl because they really and truly want to cut the size and power the government.

these career politicans (both D and R) and their minions just can't wrap their tiny brains around that concept.

123 OMG how can you compare Beck to o'really?   I can't stand o'really and after he attacked Sarah Palin this week and CPAC I've had more of him than I care to have.  Besides o'really loves to demean the intelligent women on his program.  It is disgusting how he makes them cow tow to keep their jobs and he always has to be right and have the last word.  A lot of his audience is tiring of him, he lost his radio show.  His old audience realizes he is just another shill for BO and he is going more toward the progressives every day.  Since he is a major player at fox he is probably the reason a lot of you aren't liking some of the things coming out of fox these days   Next he'll go after Beck, you watch.

124

@120 - Exactly my point.  We're not seeing anything out of the GOP leadership that gives any kind of indication that they've received the message in their heart.  They may just want to keep their jobs, but it's not the same thing.

If the GOP wants credit for moving in the right direction, the leaders in place need to step up and LEAD, or else the GOP needs to tell them to get the hell out of the way.

125

Someone on the headline thread said that all those "angry" yoots were "bussed in" by some organization.  Can you say "CPAC hijacked by Paulbots?".

You people who say Beck isn't a Paulbot are correct only in the manner that he has not "actively" endorsed Ron Paul. But on the issues and the rhetoric he is in 100% agreement with Ron Paul.

He IS a Paulbot in all but name only. So we can haz a new acronym PBAINO.  

126 Vic CPAC wasn't hijacked by Paulbots.  They came because they are conservatives.  It seems there were a lot of fringe groups big at CPAC. 

127

The problem I have with giving Republicans credit for their current opposition is that the libs had a supermajority until Brown, and the squishes (and some supposed conservatives) have shown during the Bush years that they will sell out if their vote is needed to pass legislation. 

I want conservatives in office that won't whore their vote when the price gets high enough.  Not whoring their vote when the price is low isn't all that impressive.

128 @125 - That's really hyperbole.  Beck isn't a truther or a racist, and you're lumping him in that pot with Ron Paul's checkered associations.  That's not fair on its face, especially with the yeoman's work he did in exposing Medina as a truther.

I also haven't seen any indication that Beck is anti-War on Terror, like Paul happened to be.  You can be anti-waste without being anti-war.

So what if they both want to audit the Fed?  The fucking Fed needs to be audited.

129

Beck in 100% agreement with Ron Paul? LOL

That's it. Beam me up, Scotty!!!

130

Saw McConnell on one of the sunday shows.  Was so disgusted with what I saw I turned him off.  He's a democrat progressive through and through.  His answers were not republican/conservative by any means.  He was walking a tight rope and he fell off in my mind.

I watched him on Chris Wallace's show. It seemed like Wallace had to repeat every question because McConnell was off in la-la land with his answers. Wallace finally cut him off and segued into the next segment. It was all I could do not to change the channel.

131

While certain members of the Republican Party have acknowledged past mistakes and have made strides in moving forward, some of the most influential have been either dead silent on the matter or say just enough to maybe save their jobs.

exactly

132 test?

133

Just in case you guys aren't aware, McConnell is widely understood to suffer from the same disease as Lindsay Graham, Larry Craig, and Mark Foley. 

Everyone in DC realizes that Mrs McConnell is a beard.

 

134

Vic CPAC wasn't hijacked by Paulbots. 

2010 CPAC Straw Poll Results
Ron Paul 31%
Mitt Romney 22%
Sarah Palin 7%
Tim Pawlenty 6%
Mike Pence 5%
Newt Gingrich 4%
Mike Huckabee 4%
Mitch Daniels 2%
John Thune 2%
Rick Santorum 2%
Haley Barbour 1%

The vote speaks for itself. Ron Paul has just about zero percent support among rank and file conservatives across the country.

135

Ron Paul is a useful idiot for the left, while he has some good ideas he also has some bat shit crazy ones like going back to the gold standard. It hasn't donned on Ron Paul that we have $220 Billion in gold reserves and a $14 Trillion economy. The numbers don't quite add up

He gets on TV alot because he trashes the wars and wants to cut defense.

136

LOL This is too weird. Mitch McConnell is one of the stalwarts of the Republican Party. The man is eloquent, savvy and dignified ..., and a hard core conservative, probably from long before you were born. There was a time when he and Jesse Helms and a few others were the backbone of the Republicans in Congress, and he is still one of the  heavyweight. A RINO? Yeah, right, If that insinuation wasn't so bizarre it would be laughable.

137

Did anyone notice that Beck never mentioned the military in his speech? Even a tiny shout-out would have been nice. Maybe a small thank-you to our troops? Just sayin.

 

 

138 It hasn't donned on Ron Paul that we have $220 Billion in gold reserves and a $14 Trillion economy. The numbers don't quite add up

Yes, they don't add up. 

Which is rather close to the heart of the problem in America today. 

By the way, "we" don't have $220 billion in gold.  The US government does.  The gold reserves held by the US government don't need to be as large as the US economy.  See, the US government DOESN'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO RUN THE ECONOMY.  It runs all by itself, actually. 

The ability to print paper money at will was implemented by the Progressive Democrat Woodrow Wilson, and has been a source of problems ever since, including the current economic collapse. 

139 Mitch McConnell moved to the right last year. He went from an ACU rating of 80 to 96.  So maybe people are remembring his 2008 RINOness.

140 @139 That, and the fact that he's been completely ineffectual as Minority Leader. 

141 I'll be the first to admit that I don't know much about McConnell but he sure came off as a bumbling dipshit yesterday.

142 39 I listened to Bill Bennett tear Glen's CPAC address up on his radio talk show this morning. Disparaged everything about Glen including his recovery from addiction and then had the cajaones to call Arlen Spectre a moderate Republican. I guess I just don't get it. Bill Bennett is a progressive in sheep's clothing Ñ in polite parlance, he's a "RINO". DEMONSHEEP FIFY

143

Bill Bennett is a progressive in sheep's clothing Ñ in polite parlance, he's a "RINO". DEMONSHEEP

I have always thought of him as a religious liberal.

144

Let's see, so far Vic, you have said that Glenn Beck agrees with Ron Paul on all issues 100%, that Fox's News Cutie, Martha McCallum, is a commie (LOL), and that Senator Mitch McConnell is a RINO; three of the most bizarre comments that I have ever read here. You are entertaining, which makes you an asset to this site. I'll grant you that ...., and I mean that sincerely. 

BTW, I could not care less if Martha McCallum is buddhist or a vegetarian or an alien invader from Jupitor. She is still cute, enchanting, smart, very pretty, sexy and wholesome; i.e., mom, apple pie and the American flag. A woman's political affiliation was never a criteria that determined whether I would get a blue veiner or a diamond cutter while checking her out. But hey, maybe that's just me. Us good ol' southern boys were horndogs when we popped out of the womb. It's genetic, I believe. Or maybe it's the water here.

145

Bill Bennett is a progressive in sheep's clothing Ñ in polite parlance, he's a "RINO". DEMONSHEEP

I have always thought of him as a religious liberal.

 

You said that tongue-in-cheek, right? You already hit the trifecta for loony opinions. Now you're going for how many more?

 

 

146

that Senator Mitch McConnell is a RINO;

I did NOT say McConnel was a RINO. I said he moved to the right from 2008 to 2009 (which a lot of Republicans did). His 2008 ACU rating was 80, that is borderline RINO but he came back to a 96 in 2009. His lifetime rating is above 90.

And tell me what RP thing there is that Beck does not agree with.

147

#137 - he's not running for office.  Yea he could have mentioned the military, but that wasn't the message he was trying to convey in his speech.

I agree with Dagny, crying doesn't bother me for the National Anthem, or Lee Greenwood's God Bless the USA.  I add to that, Humane Society and ASPCA commercials with Sara MacLaughlin singing "In The Arms of the Angels".  I have to leave the room.

Beck was misty at the end of his speech, I think it makes him human and a big softy, which is a plus in my book.

I actually like his radio show better than his TV show.  The first 20 minutes of his TV show are the best though.  His radio show just cracks me up, when Stu and Pat egg him on and get laughing, I find myself laughing out loud at work.

I thought the speech was awesome, and yes I cried alot during it.

148

You said that tongue-in-cheek, right? You already hit the trifecta for loony opinions. Now you're going for how many more?

It appears that if we are measuring looney opinions you would be up there at the top.

149

Bill Bennett was a DEM who crossed over during the Reagan administration.

In that respect, he's like Jeanne Kirkpatrick and the Kristols and the Podhoretzes and Charles Krauthammer - they're liberals who crossed over to the GOP because the DEMs became just a little too insane for them.

But they are not conservatives - at heart, they will always be liberals.

And, like Gergen, when the DEMs are not quite so insane, they'll cross right back over and show their true liberal colors.

 

150

@146 - see my post at 128.

Beck isn't a truther, racist, nor is he anti- war on terror. He's anti-waste, which is a different animal.

151 141 I'll be the first to admit that I don't know much about McConnell but he sure came off as a bumbling dipshit yesterday.

Posted by: ErikW at February 22, 2010 12:28 PM (Fik7Z)

 

Don't misconstrue Senator Mitch McConnell's sedate, laid back and level-headed approach to issues to be an indication that he lacks savvy and aggressiveness. Few politician have his political acumen. He is a force to be reckoned with in the Senate, and the Democrats know it. He is a fine man and a real gentleman, too. If all politicians had his ethics, integrity and character, the American people would have a higher opinion of Congressmen.

152 @151 - If that's true, what does he have to show for it?  Please provide concrete examples of his accomplishments.

153 Seems, that  Rush is a little miffed at Beck, He is criticising him, without mentioning his name.

154

"It appears that if we are measuring looney opinions you would be up there at the top."  - Vic

You are certainly entitled to your loony opinions. I will defend your right to express any loony opinion that you wish to post here. 

155 The static on the vid makes me want to gouge my ears out; here's a better vid link to the same speech: http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/36618/ 118 Yes, Beck has flaws, but he delivers substance, SUBSTANCE in an entertaining, memorable way that reaches both me, and others who would otherwise not be reached.Ê Hey, Rush isn't quite my cup of tea either, but I have the utmost respect for him. 147 I actually like his radio show better than his TV show. The first 20 minutes of his TV show are the best though. His radio show just cracks me up, when Stu and Pat egg him on and get laughing, I find myself laughing out loud at work. I thought the speech was awesome, and yes I cried alot during it. In absolute agreement with both of you. I was never a "talk radio listener" until Glenn, but for some reason I love his radio show. I like the education mixed with the humor and self deprecation. And the bit in his CPAC speech at the very end where he read the lines from the poem about the statue of liberty and the real meaning behind those words? Stirring stuff. I just wish he'd be as positive on the show as he was in his CPAC speech, more "morning in America" optimism and less gloom and doom pessimism. But if he doesn't light a fire under people and make them see how dire things are they won't act, so maybe the apocalyptic type rhetoric he sometimes uses is a necessary evil?

156

Seems, that Rush is a little miffed at Beck, He is criticising him, without mentioning his name.

Yes, he does, and it doesn't come off well [for Rush].

Rush is a "where do we go from here?" kind of a guy, whereas Beck is a "how did we get here and who the Hell are these crazy people who got us here and what is their insane agenda?" kind of a guy.

Rush is about action.

Beck is about history.

It seems to me that there is plenty of room for both approaches to the problem, and it doesn't do Rush's image any good to get all pouty and petulant about the new kid on the block.

PS: Although you gotta hand it to Rush today for nailing 0bambi on "ask = ax" in the first hour [he didn't talk about CPAC until the second hour].

 

157

You are certainly entitled to your loony opinions.

Yeah, oit looks like my opinion isn't so "looney" after all since other posters agree with it and it appears Rush does as well.

158

Come on, Rush isn't saying Beck = Ron Paul, dude.  Saying Rush agrees with you is overstating the matter by a LONG shot.

Rush isn't even mentioning Beck by name.  I understand his point of view, but I think he's wrong.  Republican leadership hasn't done shit to earn back the trust of Americans.  The sooner they realize it and actually sincerely change, the sooner we can start to fix the problems caused by the mealy-mouthed status-quo loving bastards in both parties.

159

152 @151 - If that's true, what does he have to show for it?

Well, for starters, his constituents appear to agree with me. I believe that he has been reelected by a huge majority of Kentuckians ever since about the mid 1980's, and as I recall, he has beaten back a few pretty strong contenders, including a very popular former governor, who was, of course, a Democrat, but one of a moderate-to-conservative bent, not a liberal.

My professors told me that if I researched information myself, I would retain more than if I relied on someone else to give me quick answers. So why don't you Google the information that you requested? It will make an interesting read. Mitch McConnell, Jesse Helms and Jeff Sessions were always three of my favorite politicians. 

160 Ok, so rush is now replaying his CPAC speech, in snippets?   Is he trying to show the comparison of how great his speech was in comparison to Beck's?  Funny, I've heard that Beck is his direct competition in some markets on the radio.

161 I give up on this thread.  We have a new type of animal here at AOS. Its a Beckbot.

162

McConnell is about to have his ass handed to him on a platter by Rand Paul.

People in Kentucky are sick of that effeminate RINO gasbag McConnell.

 

163 vic, I hope you aren't counting me as a "beckbot" as you can go back and read my posts, I'm not entirely sure what to think of beck.  However, like Palin, Beck is written off too many times around these parts and when you see that you tend to come to his defense.

164

McConnell is about to have his ass handed to him on a platter by Rand Paul.

People in Kentucky are sick of that effeminate RINO gasbag McConnell.

 Posted by: at February 22, 2010 02:04 PM (kyg+f)

 

Yeah, right, and someday pigs will be able to fly, too.

165 So Rand Paul is running against McConnell?  And Sarah Palin endorsed Rand Paul?   Well, we are going to see pretty soon how much power Palin really has.

166

Well, I don't much care what his constituents think.  Murtha's constituents loved him too, but it doesn't mean he's doing anything right.

McConnell is an ineffectual Minority Leader.  If he has some great accomplishment showing how valuable he is besides a reliable vote, then I'd like to hear it.  I haven't been able to find one.  All I can find, especially recently, is that McConnell likes to play nice with Dems.

Two recent examples:

He let Harry Reid go home early rather than forcing Dems to wait before voting on the pieces of shit Senate bill, and

He is planning on going to Obama's bullshit "bipartisan" PR stunt this week.

McConnell is too interested in not seeming like a crank to actually stand up and fight, and take his case to the people.  He may be a reliable *vote*, but that's not the same as being a leader.

And a leader he most certainly is not.

167 LOL, yeah, okay, whatever you say. LOL

168 Since Rush Linbaugh wants you to revisit his speech today, here is a link to his website with the transcript and the accompanying video links.

169 If they aren't standing up for the America we know and love, they need to go,  regardless of the letter next to their name.

170

Yeah, right, and someday pigs will be able to fly, too.

Have you driven around the countryside and seen the massive Rand Paul signs all over rural Kentucky?

You just wait and see.

 

171 BTW, FYI, dimwits, Rand is running for the seat being vacated by Bunning - [not] for McConnell's seat. Geezez. LOL

172 OMG how can you compare Beck to o'really?   I can't stand o'really and after he attacked Sarah Palin this week and CPAC I've had more of him than I care to have.  Besides o'really loves to demean the intelligent women on his program.  . . . .  Next he'll go after Beck, you watch.  Posted by: curious at February 22, 2010 11:29 AM (p302b)

My biggest beef with O'Reilley is that he is a terrible interviewer - who holds a job interviewing people.  I mean really, Bill STFU and let your guest finish a flipping sentence instead of pontificating.  When he interrupted Sarah Palin about the third time on a recent show, I just wanted to punch him in the throat.

Let the guest talk, Bill.  They've taken time out of their schedule to be "interviewed" by you.  Just STFU and let the guest finish a sentence for a change.

BTW I feel the same way about the View - can't abide those beyotches who can't let a guest just finish a sentence.  It shows a comlete lack of civility, not to  mention making the guest's appearance irrelevant since he/she won't be allowed to say anything anyway. 

173 BTW, I was going to bet you my hundred dollar bill against your one dollar bill, but then I thought, naw, that would be unsportsmanlike, considering that you're clueless. It would be kinda like rolling a drunk, or taking candy from a baby.

174 Gee, I wonder what happened to Senator McConnell's savvy critics? Maybe they're trying to get their feet out of their mouths, ya think?

175 Rush wasn't pouting about Beck, he was politely disagreeing on his approach without calling him out by name.  It was quite civil.  Unlike Mark Levin's reaction.

176 If Rush and Beck and Savage and Levin would work together they would truly be a force to be reckoned with.

177 Beck made a great point on his radio program, Matt drudge, the great republican "king maker" didn't even link to the speech and for that matter, did he mention CPAC?   Maybe he is "skynews" now only he didn't bother to tell anyone.  Ergo it might not be his call anymore?

178 Posted by: Blackford Oakes at February 22, 2010 03:11 PM (BiCQw)

why would it be a "great sign for november?"  What am I missing that you are seeing?

179 Posted by: Blackford Oakes at February 22, 2010 03:16 PM (BiCQw)

That is an interesting thought, however, if that were the case, it would, I think, be worrisome.   When people perceive that they are losing power they do not react well.

180

Gee, I wonder what happened to Senator McConnell's savvy critics? Maybe they're trying to get their feet out of their mouths, ya think?

Stop patting yourself on the back.  It's unbecoming.

Considering that all you've had to say is "LOL" and that "his constituents love him," I'm waiting for you to say something with a little more substance in response to some legitimate concerns with his leadership style.

"Look it up on Google" isn't cutting it.  I can use Google.  I said in my last post that all I found were his most recent attempts to be polite to the Dems.

It's your turn.  Man up and back up your defense of him with some facts.  I asked a simple question, but I'll elaborate once again:

What's the man done as Leader to show that he understands the dangers facing the country and that he is willing to sacrifice to prevent or undo it?  I understand the man is a reliable vote, but I also said that's not enough in a leadership role.  Care to counter that? 

If  "LOL - If you say so" is all you have, then don't expect further engagement in good faith. 

181 Damn sock.

182 @6
>I still do not get the "progressive" tag and why conservatives use it. Over time the
>word "liberal" rightfully began to carry a stigma, so all the leftists decided they
>wanted to "rebrand" themselves as progressives. Just because they want to unchain
>themselves from the tags of socialism and liberalism, why do we need to aid them?

1 - Democrats crap all over the word Liberal, then abandon it for Progressive
2 - Republicans rebrand themselves Classical Liberals and begin dismantling the New Deal state
3 - D's want to save the New Deal, R's accuse them of wanting to conserve it, just as their predecessors wanted to conserve slavery, segregation and lynching, start calling them Conservatives

Checkmate.

183

@Cybergoat,

Well let's hope that's how it goes down. Personally, I have no problem saying I'm a conservative and proud to be one. If  libs don't like that, ask them if what they have to sell is so good, why are they running and hiding from their own tag?

I dn't think I've ever had one acknowledge forthrightly that they're leftist or libs. They usually just lash out and sneer at hobgoblins like "the past eight years" or "Bush war for oil", etc. and the dialogue goes south from there.

184

Levin is a jealous prick.  Savage, Beck, anyone other then Rush , or Hannity gets the "backbencher", label, and derision.  I know this because I listen everyday.  It gets annoying.

Not as annoying as Vic, though. 

185 Levin derides Beck on a daily basis and I've had enough of listening to him.  Forget that Levin mis-characterizes nearly everything Beck says, and forget that Levin derides him for "shilling his book", while Levin never shuts up about Liberty & Tyranny, which has been out for a millennium now....  His jealously is blatant and reaching the point of nose-bleed obnoxious.  At least Beck is entertaining.  Listening to Levin is like going to the dentist.

186

Beck's dragging out his "revelations" ("I'll give you details later." / "Stay tuned." /  "Next week.") doesn't do him any favors.  Got something to say, say it.  Being all "cutesy" with the 'truth' doesn't entice people to listen, it turns them off.

Also, A lot of Beck's stuff is similar to what Dan Smoot ("The Invisible Government", etc) and John Stormer ("None dare call it treason") did 50 years ago.  You have to give him props for following in their path, but Beck is diluting his own efforts to fill air time instead of following topics through to completion.  Which is too bad...

187

184 Posted by: Admiral Ackbar at February 22, 2010 04:13 PM (v0kvW)

 

Blowhard Alert: #184 @  4:13

 

I never argue with a fool. But I am still gloating here, and smugly, too. LOL

188 I think Beck went too far. There is obviously a difference between the parties, only a moron could not see that. And today Rush Limbaugh made the point that this is supposed to be a conservative gathering, not a libertarian get together. Bill Bennett is a real conservative, has been for years and he said Beck was wrong to say that the Republicans were just the same as the Democrats too. I think Beck would be fine with a third party, so long as he was running it. When Ron Paul won the straw poll I thought that maybe Sarah Palin was smart to stay away.

189 Vic, I don't care for Beck, either.  Does anyone remember that he opposed the Iraq War and continued to rail about it?  Does anyone understand that his constant equating of the parties and telling everyone how awful the Republicans are is going to dampen enthusiasm come November?

Hi attitude is a dangerous and foolish one.  Rush pointed out one time that a Republican Congress wouldn't have tried to foist Cap and Trade or Healthscare on us.  Democrats always decimate the military and destroy our intelligence.  They did that in the 70's and again in the 90's, and they are doing it again.

No difference between Dick Cheney and Joe Biden?  No difference between Jeff Sessions and Dick Durbin?

Oh, and McConnell held the line on the important votes WITHOUT ONE DEFECTION.  On the health care bill,  even Snow and Collins stayed with us.
McConnell is one who works behind the scenes in the archaic and byzantine rules of the Senate, and a lot of what he does isn't seen by the public.  The results are,  though. He's a fine senator,  and I wish he was mine.

190 Glen Beck is probably the greatest political showman of the past two years. He's the P.T. Barnum of the political talk world (T.V. & radio).

His speech at CPAC was interesting and entertaining. However, it was also intellectually shallow. His historical analysis was slightly askew.  But, he certainly has the conspiratorial angle down pat. ;-)

He's not my cup of tea but at least he appears willing to fight the good fight regardless of his motives.

191 167 So Rand Paul is running against McConnell?  And Sarah Palin endorsed Rand Paul?   Well, we are going to see pretty soon how much power Palin really has.

Posted by: curious at February 22, 2010 02:34 PM (p302b)

 

His name is Paul Rand, not Rand Paul, you ditz.

And, no, curious, Paul Rand is [not] running against Mitch McConnell.  Rand is running for the seat that is being vacated by Senator Bunning.

If it happened, and I haven't seen any evidence that it did, Sarah Palin's endorsement of Rand would be a nice gesture, but gratuitous, and, I suspect, self-serving, in view of the circumstances.

I'm incredulous that you gave any credibility to (kyg+f) and to (vokvW), two clueless loonies who are always making screwy assumptions, even screwier conjectures and bizarre accusations which are never supported by the facts. But today, the three of you made looniness an art form.

BTW, why would you want to stick up for the two aforementioned dimwits? You just made yourself look as foolish as they are.

In view of your histories, I'm sure that not one of you three opinionated dimwits learned a lesson today. 

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