October 14, 2010

Good Analysis at Hot Air on That Suit Against ObamaCare Mandate
— Ace

At Hot Air. Allah says it's not really huge news in the sense we knew somehow this was getting to the Supreme Court, one way or another; this then is just another of the several pathways to get there.

Good analysis of the specific allegations of unconstitutionality; counts one through three allege unconstitutionality due to over-reliance on the Commerce Clause, but four through six suggest another grounds to strike it down: that the federal government cannot "commandeer" the states to enforce certain laws. (A position which has found favor with Scalia, Thomas, and even Kennedy.)

And then there is this bit of wonderfulness:

In his ruling, Vinson criticized Democrats for seeking to have it both ways when it comes to defending the mandate to buy insurance. During the legislative debate, Republicans chastised the proposal as a new tax on the middle class. Obama defended the payment as a penalty and not a tax, but the Justice Department has argued that legally, itÂ’s a tax.

“Congress should not be permitted to secure and cast politically difficult votes on controversial legislation by deliberately calling something one thing, after which the defenders of that legislation take an “Alice-in-Wonderland” tack and argue in court that Congress really meant something else entirely, thereby circumventing the safeguard that exists to keep their broad power in check,” he wrote.

Vinson ruled that itÂ’s a penalty, not a tax, and must be defended under the Commerce Clause and not CongressÂ’ taxing authority.

Win. We citizens have argued against the basic deception and unfairness of this "it's not a tax for purposes of security political passage, but it is a tax for purposes of determining our power to levy it approach," but that a $6 will get you a coffee at Starbucks. A judge has put it on the record that this will not do. That's something.


Posted by: Ace at 01:21 PM | Comments (22)
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1 Uh, Ace, you may want to look down at Dave's post before pulling out the Val-U-Rite.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 14, 2010 01:22 PM (wDKwf)

2 the  Commerce Clause argument / excuse won't support this Frankenstein

front's comin'

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at October 14, 2010 01:25 PM (dS2wQ)

3 if I post on a double-post thread, do I get double Green Stamps?

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at October 14, 2010 01:26 PM (dS2wQ)

4 Judge Vinson acted stupidly. 

Posted by: President Barracky Pissypants at October 14, 2010 01:26 PM (Rw4OE)

5 Judge Vinson gave me a boner.I'm straight though,I swear.

Posted by: steevy at October 14, 2010 01:32 PM (ARChy)

6 They are using the 'tax' angle because that is EXACTLY what FDR argued about Social Security - that it was actually a tax, even though they sold it to the public as something else.

The correct word for it is 'scam.'

Calling this a tax is a ridiculous argument. You can 'tax' someone for doing nothing? How can you levy a tax when nothing is earned TO tax?

I think this part of this monstrosity gets overturned at SCOTUS.

IMO, the other parts of it are FAR more damaging - they essentially amount to the guaranteed destruction of the private insurance industry and forcing us all onto Medicare.

Posted by: blindside at October 14, 2010 01:37 PM (x7g7t)

7 They won: they can do what they want.
And after the McCain-Feingold debacle, I don't know that we can ever trust SCOTUS again.

Posted by: real joe at October 14, 2010 01:44 PM (IpIBJ)

8

Vinson ruled that itÂ’s a penalty, not a tax, and must be defended under the Commerce Clause and not CongressÂ’ taxing authority.

Bingo... for this to be Constitutional, they then have to make the arguement that Regulation of INTERSTATE Commerce, gives the power to FORCE Commerce... and somehow overrides the peoples Property Rights.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 14, 2010 01:51 PM (AdK6a)

9 When this goes to the Supremes I predict the normal 5-4 split with Kennedy siding with the libtards.

Posted by: Vic at October 14, 2010 01:56 PM (/jbAw)

10 ... that the federal government cannot "commandeer" the states to enforce certain laws. I'm sure someone smarter than me has noticed that this is the flip side of the suit against AZ1070. That is, the fed govt. is saying in effect that the states MUST enforce the laws that they want enforced, but MUST NOT enforce those laws they don't want enforced.

Posted by: XBradTC at October 14, 2010 01:57 PM (ieYEF)

11 Ruth McClung moneybomb: $64,147 on way to $100,000. Her opponent is no rocket scientist.........actually, she is.

Posted by: Don'tJudgeMe at October 14, 2010 02:07 PM (JhZEL)

12 Are we still prepared to trust the Federal courts to arbitrate the limits of Federal power?

I'm not sure if I am. I know there's no other option, but there's a difference between "have to live with" and "trust".

Posted by: SGT Dan at October 14, 2010 02:12 PM (HBTr7)

13 SGT Dan, I don't like it either. But the courts are in fact somewhat susceptible to public opinion. Think of them as a lagging indicator. If the general tenor of public opinion continues to feel that the federal government has too much power, expect the courts to follow. In about 15-20 years.

Posted by: XBradTC at October 14, 2010 02:19 PM (ieYEF)

14 But what does international law have to say about the issue?

Posted by: Lone Marauder at October 14, 2010 02:25 PM (/bVuS)

15 “Congress should not be permitted to secure and cast politically difficult votes on controversial legislation by deliberately calling something one thing, after which the defenders of that legislation take an “Alice-in-Wonderland” tack and argue in court that Congress really meant something else entirely, thereby circumventing the safeguard that exists to keep their broad power in check,”

Huh??? Why not???  Seems fine to me!

Posted by: Elena Kagan at October 14, 2010 02:34 PM (saRwI)

16 It's called fraud.  Any private corporation trying to foist off something like this on the public would be in court on criminal charges.  It's pure deceit.

Posted by: KJB at October 14, 2010 02:55 PM (w91MW)

17 That's something.

That is actually something. That if politicians flat out lie to us about the nature of legislation, it could have legal ramifications to that legislation. Precedent!

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at October 14, 2010 03:01 PM (0q2P7)

18 TX AG Greg Abbott will be on CNBC soon to discuss this.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at October 14, 2010 03:09 PM (Yq+qN)

19 For your consideration here is what I heard: AP == wet blanket

J'ever notice AP, allahpundit, has the same initials as AP, associated pressed-pants-dhimmis?

That is all.

Posted by: Blacksmith8 at October 14, 2010 03:10 PM (92ZR0)

20

That is some fucked up spam right there,

This Vinson fellow, I think I like the cut of his jib,

Posted by: spongeworthy at October 14, 2010 05:08 PM (rplL3)

21 Hair Straightener?  How do I get a bit more wave?

Posted by: Whitehall at October 15, 2010 07:43 AM (FmPSC)

22 ironic, no?

Posted by: chi hair iron at October 16, 2010 12:23 AM (BP6Z1)

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