1 Lets just defend the free world using Hope?

2 Retiring the entire B1 bomber fleet is frightening. That is beyond insane. Please tell me this will not come to pass.

3 Retiring the B-1 bomber fleet? Damned if Obama isn't Carter redux.

4 God, I. Hate. Ron. Paul.

5 You know what would really help make world peace?  Another speech.

6 You all should read Sara Palin's whole facebook note on these defense issues. It is long and tackles many issues.

7 2 Retiring the entire B1 bomber fleet is frightening.

That is beyond insane. Please tell me this will not come to pass.

You know how cities get tax increases to pass?  Threaten to cut police and fire.

8 Gee, liberals could cut defense, or they could cut payments to Democrat voters...you know the choice they'll make.

9 Fucking insane.

The pussies will kill us all.

10 Libtards want to cut defense back to sticks and stones. Imagine that.

11 What the military needs is gun control and lots of it.

12

<sub>Retiring the entire B1 bomber fleet is frightening.

That is beyond insane. Please tell me this will not come to pass.</sub>

This is our concern, Dude.

13 God, I. Hate. Ron. Paul.

And at last we agree on something

14 I accept that we probably need to cut military spending but I don't trust Obama to do it and leave our armed forced viable for what is required of them.

15 Remember when I told you that someone would test Obama's mettle when it comes to international affairs?  Well, Obama has proved that he can stand up to just about anyone or anything in the realm of foreign relations: Queen of England?  Check.  UK Prime Minister?  Check.  Poland?  Check.

We simply don't need those military assets anymore.  The international arena sees it is no match for President Obama, an 11-dimensional chess player mocking the mere checker-playing leaders of the world.

And let me tell you something - in times like these, it's much cheaper to procure chess boards than B-52s.  You can bet on that because Sheriff Joe said so.

16 The cons lost! The cons always lose!

17 Glad to see some pushback against that military-as-a-business bullshit that has been infecting the military for the past 15 years or so.

18 EPA ruling puts 125 refineries in limbo. From Drudge. Good news unicorn farts unaffected.

19
C'mon, who didn't see this coming?

20

 The nuclear bomber force will be completely eliminated in the name of unilateral disarmament

We surrender!

21 The goal of Obama and the rest of the progressives is to impoverish and to enfeeble America.

22 After Fannie and Freddie, how the hell is Bawney Fwank allowed to do ANYTHING with finances?

23 That Palin woman is feisty.

Umm, sure. But you know she doesn't write those facebook posts herself, right?

I mean, I like the woman, but how she articulates on facebook is a night and day difference on how she comes across on Fox.

24

Google:  Ron Paul Make Love Not War

seriously, story from last summer in which he appealed to the far-left.  Basically saying he wanted to gut the Military like they do(or the "empire" if you will) and that the Money that would be 'saved' could go to fund their National Healthcare....until we 'come to our senses on Liberty' of course.

I hate this faggot.

25 Ron Paul is consistent - this doesn't surprise me one bit, because one of his policies is that our military is too big and we're involved in ways we never should have been.

I love his economic policies, but I think his foreign policies would, for the most part, be a disaster.

Still, our military has gotten HUGE; I have a feeling there is an awful lot of waste and that doesn't help the guys in the field doing the shooting.

 Like any bureaucracy, they will attempt to grow and consume more funding to protect themselves.

26 The B1 was and still is a money pit.Like the C-5.1 hour of flying per 30 man hours of maintenance.The B-1 has had alot of faults and never fully lived up to i'ts potential.The B-2 is a much better aircraft.The F-22 program should not have been cut.That is one bad-ass fighter.But consider the next generation of fighter aircraft will be pilotless.Leave it up to the demonrats to cut spending where we need it most.

27 If these dipshits can put out their leftist anchorpoints, I say we do the same: sunset social security and medicare! Fuck Obamacare! If they want a real discussion, make sure these items are numbers one, two, and ratfucking three!

28 Is the actual world getting safer? 

29 Ron Paul and Barney Frank, 2 Faggots sitting in a tree

30 Hey... Ron Paul knows the Constitution!!1 *jabs eyes out with spoon*

31 We're turning into France.....

32 I do not think those first words mean what they think they mean

But they mean precisely what they want us to think they mean.

33 We can use the money saved for more nude drum peace circles

34

Ron Paul is consistent - this doesn't surprise me one bit, because one of his policies is that our military is too big and we're involved in ways we never should have been.

Dammit, and here I was going to say "in before the Paultards show up to defend the idiot crank."

35

The best thing to do at this point, is go ahead a let the DemonRats keep absolute power. 

I know is sounds wrong, but think about it!

The only way the population is going to understand what has happend to their country, and to understand what is happending to their country is to truley expose the Democrats.

Keep them in power, and force them to take responsibility for their share of this mess. Of course, that ultimately means economic collapse, and the probable loss of our freedom, but how many times are we going to get fooled by this game the Democrats have played against us over the years?

Maybe once the population realizes who the Democrats actually are, maybe they will actually do something about it, and we can get back to the America we once knew.

36

Our Military was CUT IN HALF during the 1990's

Spending as a % of the Budget is the inverse of what it was during say the JFK yrs.  That is how far we've come and FAGGOTS like Ron Liar Paul work with the Left to Further Cut the Military given his worldview he shares with them that the USA is the "Evil Empire".  Just like his anarchist/austrian Idol, Murray Rothbard.

There is a good reason Buckely Blackballed Rothbard out of National Review, these people are insane

37

Granted, a lot of this is pie-in-the-sky thinking from liberals, itÂ’s their wish list but itÂ’s not like they donÂ’t have a friend in a very high place.

Soros?

 

38 hmmm. World War 1, _{military drawdown}, World War 2, _{military drawdown}, Korean War, _{military drawdown}, Vietnam War, _{military drawdown}, Russia Invades Afghanistan, Iranian Revolution, Saddam Hussein goes apeshit, US-Iranian Tanker War, Gulf War 1, _{military drawdown}, 9-11, Gulf War 2, Afghanistan...

Hmm. It seems to a simple hick like me that every time we take Lady Liberty's shotgun away and throw it down the damn well some assholes somewhere start a war and we have to spend years and lives getting back up to speed.

39

"The Air Force must...build 301 fewer F-35 fighters."

That'll do wonders for the per-unit costs...

Retiring the B-1 isn't quite as bad as it sounds.  We'll still have B-2's...for now...

40

I mean, I like the woman, but how she articulates on facebook is a night and day difference on how she comes across on Fox.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 01, 2010 05:32 PM (pLTLS)

I write MUCH better than I speak extemporaneously - I'm sure that most people who heard me answer questions "off the cuff" would think that I'm an airheaded twit.  However, when I write, I have time to think about what I am going to say, and I have the luxury of editing things to the point at which they make sense and sound good.

I would much rather have someone running this country who has substance behind what he/she says, rather than someone who sounds good in a Q&A format, or who makes a pretty speech.

41 Sounds good to me.  Our military is unconstitutional anyway because we didn't have a declaration of war for Iraq and Afghanistan.

42

I love his economic policies, but I think his foreign policies would, for the most part, be a disaster.

You cannot divorce those two realms from one another.  Period.  End of discussion.  And if you are a gold bug--you're an idiot.

So exactly which of our treaty obligations do we give up to allow us to live up to those remaining under this "plan"?  Korea?  Japan?  NATO?  Alaska?  Kansas?

The defense budget is not the cause of our budget woes.  It is entitlements and since lefties are so goddamned sure the Europeans are right about everything, let's ask them if slashing their defense budgets brought their spending under control.

Willful stupidity.  It's what's for dinner.

43 Lets face it, if most of the rest of the world weren't a bunch of useless whiny pussies, we wouldn't need such of a large military... but alas they are.

44 I've determined we can save eleventy trillion in spending by replacing fixed bayonets with nerf wands, RDX explosive with ABC blocks, and ballistic missiles with Jarts. This will bring peace in our time.

45 I've worked for the Department of the Navy as a civilian aircraft mechanic for 25 years - and for the whole of those 25 years, the V-22 has been "coming soon" and "on the way" and "in final testing".  Seriously, the first day I went to work I saw a cartoon featuring a V22 with the rotors tilting, ultimately grinding the nose of the aircraft completely off, with the caption "Now, testing begins..."
Now, we have a hangar full of them - the entire facility is being revamped to accommodate the V-22 and F-35 programs, all of the other weapons platforms we work on are either being phased out or cut back because they're 30 to 40 years old and are considered "obsolete". 
I mention all of this because I firmly believe that - while a certain amount of trimming of the defense budget is bound to happen - there ain't no way the sponsors of these programs are going to give up their babies without a fight.  In my experience (and we've gone through a few BRAC scares), both sides tend to over-bid; one side proposing cuts that are far more than even they would be comfortable with, the other countering with a tiny fraction of what they could actually live with.  It does worry me that Bawney Fwank has his delicate little hand in this - and I've never been a big Ron Paul fan - but a course of watchful waiting is in order.  In other words, I don't see them getting quite this big of a bite out of Defense.

46 Unlike Europe and what few allies we have left, America has not had and will never have a skirt to hide under for 50 years while we experiment with socialism.

Either we defend America or Russia and China will.

47

Wonderful, let's cut our military in a time of war/global instability and also at a time of massive unemployment (hey, it does provide an outlet for some of the job seekers).

But mortgage vouchers and food stamps for everybody!!!!!!

The Republicans will go along with it -- they want to be re-elected more than they want to do what is right for the country.  The populace will be all for it -- because they're stupid sheep who like their bennies and don't think anything bad could ever happen to them.  The folks in the military will once again pay the price -- I'm telling you; time for the military to threaten to go on strike; let's see how the good citizens and their pandering politicians feel when there really isn't anybody keeping them safe in their beds at night.  I'm sick of it all.

48 Hell, why doesn't The One just declare "Peace in our time" and disband the entire military?  He could then totally avoid DADT.

49 Military spending gives people jobs instead of handouts.

50  What IS the long term strategy?

Posted by: CDR M at July 01, 2010 05:31 PM (5I8G0)

 

Death to America.  Shorter term, partying on the backs of taxpayers.

51
Oh, and you're a fool if you think this is the outside, pie in the sky, very end of their wish list.  This is just the f*cking starting point.

52 Defense spending is the one Keynesian measure that works. Build a bridge, you employ maybe 100 people for a summer, and get marginal economic improvements in local transport. Big deal.

Build an aircraft carrier group, you employ 3 million people directly and indirectly for three years, and that the end, get a mighty big stick to whack in the Persian Gulf to keep oil prices down.

Plus, Defense Spending is unique in that it is the only spending by government that is not 100% hostile to employing White men. Since they are needed to draw up the engineering plans, do the skilled labor, etc. Not too much call for Lawyers who are Lesbians of Color or somesuch.

Increasing military spending (the FT called for it in Britain) also subsidizes R&D in a way nothing else can, particularly educational efforts. You can turn out engineers but if there are no jobs they go into finance or something. When the Financial Times calls for military spending, even SWPL get it.

Military Spending -- its economic recovery plus R&D.

53 Doing the right thing is politically difficult because we have to rely on Republicans to do it.

54 It's like a double savings, since Obama's SS Civilian Defense Force won't need to be as large!!!

55 Ron Paul voted with the Left on DADT repeal also, he's a faggot thru and thru

56 Granted, a lot of this is pie-in-the-sky thinking from liberals, itÂ’s their wish list but itÂ’s not like they donÂ’t have a friend in a very high place.

It may be pie-in-the sky but there will always be enough squishy RINOs to go along with them to get a lot of it, if not most of it through.

The commies always do this when they take power. Kill 90% of the programs that the federal government is actually authorized to do in order to save a few nickles and then spend tens of billions on socialist programs that they are not authorized to do.

We have to get these assholes out of power. We can stop this stuff with out destroying defense. First if Oabma is not going to be impeached we need to get out of the ME because as long as he is CIC we are only killing American to maintain PR for him. He has no intention of winning.

Second we need to kill very socialist program there is except SS and Medicare. Those would be phased out.

Then we need to enact tax cuts to increase the supply.

57 We are waiting on the report about the findings of the committee to study the minutes of the committee meeting discussing the report findings of the DADT Committee Report Study Group.

Also the copy machine is broke and it won't be fixed until December.

58 This is just BS meant to stir up the leftist Obama-scum base and open their wallets. Why didn't they try any of this in the past 2 years when they had veto-proof majorities? Cause they know Americans would freak.

This is like some punk making sure his friends are there to hold him back while he's threatening to kick somebody's ass. The left wants to say they would make all these defense cuts but the war-mongering Repubs are stopping them. So they are waiting until right before an election where they know they'll get crushed to unveil these cuts. They are trying to turn out the base to make the upcoming rout less of a rout. This shows they are giving up on the moderates for the election.

59

One week the focus is on the gulf, then DADT, then jobs, then immigration, then cap and trade, then golf, then.....

That is a filthy lie!  Obama's focus is always on golf, and those other, lesser matters are left to his minions.

60 jp, did the Village People key your car this morning?

61 It may be BS, but the neat thing is you'll hear nary a peep from Republicans on the issue. Wouldn't want to be dirty.

62 sifty - why don't you go find Frank and Paul on their Purple Unicorns and tie dyed shirts and have your group orgy already.

63 These idiots did not factor in our national objectives.

Posted by: CDR M at July 01, 2010 05:58 PM (5I8G0)

No, but they damn sure factored in theirs. 

64

Paul was lying about our Defense Budget adn the "Cost of Empire" during the 2008 election and still uses the same lies when he speaks to his cultist and press on this.  Never being refuted

http://tinyurl.com/32vhoe

65

One week the focus is on the gulf, then DADT, then jobs, then immigration, then cap and trade, then golf, then.....

It would still be focused LIKE A LASER^tm on the economy except that he doesn't like directed energy weapons, so they're using one of those plastic school protractors instead.

66 Can we gut the military like a day-old tarpon during the lame duck session? Yes, we can!

67
Our congress is dysfunctional beyond repair.  come on voters - get with it.

68 God I can't stand that Palin woman.

Those Facebook posts just upset me so much. Why does she use all those big words I can't understand? It's so uncool.

69 at Lew Rockwell blog, they don't criticize Obama to the degree they did Bush and Lew regularly says this:  "As Ron Paul says, atleast Obama hasn't murdered innoncent Iranians yet"

70

@55

Whiskey,

I agree, and that's why they hate Reagan so much, because Reagan was never who they say he was. He took a strategy of the left, and put a Right Wingers twist on it, and it worked so well, it scared the left into believing that if they did not attempt to make the population beleive that America was an Imperialist nation, they would lose the debate so badly the Democrat party would collapse and never regain any strength.

You can't make anyone believe that America is an Imperialist Nation without attacking demonizing the military.

Reagan's Military Keyensian Spending is where we got the Tech Bubble from and allowed Clinton to sell us down the road with NAFTA.

 

 

71 BRB. Mom's got pudding pops!

72 jp,

You'll not find anyone that loathes Frank and Paul more than I. But throwing the faggot thing around every post makes you sound silly or like a kilgore-style plant yelling the n-word.

Just giving you a word to the wise.

73 29 But consider the next generation of fighter aircraft will be pilotless.
________________

Remember when fighters weren't going to need guns anymore? I don't buy the pilotless thing, either.

74

Murray Rothbard, who Ron Paul and the Lew Rockwell cult IDOLIZE, also absolutely hated Ronald Reagan's guts and called him a Warmonger and repeated all the Leftist Lies just like they are today.  The same alliances are still alive and well.

http://tinyurl.com/2v2tem8

 

75

Reagan's Military Keyensian Spending is where we got the Tech Bubble from and allowed Clinton to sell us down the road with NAFTA.

Yes, because there was, in fact, no Soviet Union at all.  Just a fairy tale.

Go away nitwit.  Adults are talking.

76 I hope y'all have an appetite for feathers, because this November I'm gonna stuff you like an empty mattress in a poultry plant.

77

sifty - this is Ace, and a post on Pinko's gutting the military, one of them being a Fag literally, the other metaphorically.  deal with it, they are faggots.

Borat had Paul's number.

78 The defense budget is not the cause of our budget woes.  It is entitlements and since lefties are so goddamned sure the Europeans are right about everything, let's ask them if slashing their defense budgets brought their spending under control.

Yup. 

Also, enough with the "faggot" stuff.  Saying it doesn't make you any tougher, it just makes you sound like an 8th-grader.

79

Totally OT (and maybe it's already been covered), but the new numbers came out for the high-risk insurance pool under Obamacare.  Surprise - people are going to have to pay through the nose, and the government may not have enough money to subsidize everyone who wants to be on the program!

http://tinyurl.com/2bfv4kp

Lib heads to start exploding in 5...4...3...

80

@81

Circa,

That's the point, it was killing two birds with one stone! No need to be calling names if I'm miles ahead of you, your a little slow on the uptake when it comes to economics, but not a problem, I'm O.K. with it!

81 Funny how the right can spend on whatever they want, the military, their children  (12 k per year average for educating the little monsters), prisons, police, but not not health care.100 billion per year for health care, versus 1 trillion for over zealous spending on the just mentioned.  Simply amazing.

It's not fair that I should have to pay to educate someone's kids when the odds that I am able to procreate are so unlikely.

82

@87

Rasp,

Your numbers are wrong, that's prbably why your so confused!

83 This is maddening beyond belief.

I just ran into a libtard "friend" who giddily informed me I should be excited for our Marine son because "the president is going to end the war really soon!!!"  She's still drinking the Koolaid and still has Barry's effin' bumper sticker on her aging clown car. 

I put her some actual knowledge and she made a sad, frowny face at me and led her unicorn across the parking lot.

84 Frank and Paul together? What could go wrong?

Cue theme from "The Odd Couple"...

85 Rasputin must be raykon. He hates educating kids.

86

The nuclear bomber force will be completely eliminated in the name of unilateral disarmament—the B-1 and B-2 and B-52 and other bombers will still be able to drop bombs, but their nuclear weapon wiring and controls will simply be removed.

Removing the wiring, keeping the bomber ... seems like the philosophy of pacifists rather than the math of accountants.

These are people who crumble in a frank, honest debate.  God knows we need that debate loudly and often.

87 I think Rasputin is Sarah.  Although the stupid is so strong in all of our trolls it's difficult to differentiate. 

We really do need a better class of troll here.

88 "He hates educating kids."

He hates educating others kids. Why am I forced to educate others kids? I want them out on the streets and in the playgrounds where I can capture panty shots of them with my cell phone.

89 Every Dem needs to challenged publicly on these "recommendation"; preferably by Kos.

90 since when is gay humor not allowed with the rest of the sarcasm and humor at Ace of Spades?

91 Geezus  rasputin . Are you a 12 yr. old girl ?
100 billion for health care ?
Now , I've smoked some good shit in my day but I want some of that stuff you have .
Wait , it's raygun , ain't it ?

92 Raspkon,

Here's a question for you:

Suck my dick.

93

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94 Rasputin/sAwen-- Why bother changing your name when your hash stays the same?

95 Why am I forced to educate others kids?

Wait, are you saying the Dept. of Education should be abolished? Hell yea!

96 ooooo sarah is gonna be in trouble when the teacher union finds out she hates the Dept. of Educamation

97 How about this: let's reduce our commitments in Iraq and Afghanistan because they are useless, and let's keep researching and testing advanced technology.

98 Murray Rothbard, who Ron Paul and the Lew Rockwell cult IDOLIZE, also absolutely hated Ronald Reagan's guts and called him a Warmonger and repeated all the Leftist Lies just like they are today.  The same alliances are still alive and well.

Their roots go all the way back into 1800's.  Today, they are confined to a few fools - amplified by the internet.

99 How bout this:

Let's keep killing terrorists and all the people that want to rape, kill, and enslave us?

100 By the way, I'm in favor of killing 75% of non-"Defense" discretionary spending.  Kill both DoEs, the DoT, et al... but our military budget is still way too large and should  be reined in.

101 "Wait, are you saying the Dept. of Education should be abolished?"

Me paying for moron kids education needs to be abolished. Why do I have to pay for other kids educations when mine so clearly failed me?

102

@104,

Peanut,

That's fine, but that only works if three things go along with it!

1.) When we leave you lock down the border, absolutely control immigration based on what Americam buisness needs for wrokers, instead of  based on "Multi-Culturalism"

2.) When we have to go back, which it is a pipe dream to beleive that we won't have to go back, we go with all guns a blazing instead of Pussy-Footing around with Rules of Engagement desinged for the playground instead of for a Battlefield.

3.) Quickly figure out how to get away from being so dependent on foreign oil

None of the politicians on either side of the isle have the will to do any of these requirements.   

103 Heres something scary.Our national debt is 7 trillion,(I don't know how many 0's that is).There are 10 trillion cells in the human body and 10 trillion stars in the universe.This turd is quickly eclipsing them both at warp speed.There is no way to pay off that debt.

104 Clinton cut military spending and it changed the skyline in NY.

105 I'm wearing my favorite pair of Wonder Woman underoos. FYI, cons.

Later, I will drive to Washington and capture Barney Frank with my lasso of truth, then "interrogate" him.

106 jp-
I'll assume you are on the level with your question, so I'll answer that way.  I like a good gay joke as much as the next guy, just like I like a good joke at my expense.  But endless repetition of an insult isn't funny or clever. 

83sifty - this is Ace, and a post on Pinko's gutting the military, one of them being a Fag literally, the other metaphorically.  deal with it, they are faggots.

I don't see the humor. 

107 Do not start talking shit about kids here. Too many of us have them or have lost them and it will get your obnoxious liberal ass in a sling.

Rasputin, it is not our fault you will never know the joy of bringing a living blessing into the world. Or the touch of a woman that isn't crying or unconscious.

Leave the kids out of it.

108

If I hear about this damn healthcare thing one more time...

Military folks are going to be paying out the wahzoo from their paychecks to help finance the stupid frakking ohealthcare, plus this report states that the military personnel and their families can expect cuts in their benefits, healthcare, and pensions.  Probably so the welfare queens and amnestied illegals can have their precious healthcare that lefties soooo believe in (because in the grand scheme of things pandering and pillaging is all that is really important).

If you have never been on or had a family member have to avail themselves of the services of TriCare or the VA...the military folks might as well treat themselves or just try to get to a good vetrinarian for care....this is fucking bullshit.  Fucking. goddamn. bullshit.

Once again the troops get treated like dirt (and their families) so the special interest classes and their spoiled lefty patrons can live large -- fuck this!

109

Since the Department of Education has exaclty zero to do with education and everything to do with being a bloated federal bureaucracy...yes, I'd say I'd start there with Energy being right behind.  Ag needs to be about ten percent of its current size.

And then we means test Social Security and index it and all federal pay to inflation (and, yeah that means cuts if prices go down).

Abolish the capital gains tax on domestic job investments.

Also--everybody--EVERYBODY has to pay a minimum income tax.  That zero tax burden crap is what resulted in this catastrophe of an administration.

110 Jimi-
1.  I am as much more more anti-immigration as you could ever be.  I don't think that anyone should be allowed in until we have a chance to assimilate the current population -  a 30 year moratorium, at least.

2.  I'm all in favor of American troops acting in American interests.  I WISH we had seized control of the oil fields and made Iraq work for us the way liberals accuse us of.

3.  Oil is just one form of energy.  If I still had faith in America's political elites, I wouldn't be worried at all.  Instead, I see a an economic reality being turned into a political battle.  I'm all for oil importation and I know that "alternative energy" is a joke, but at some level we need to mediate windmills in California versus sanctions on Libya.

111

108 Hey asshole, those kids of mine that you "helped educate"?

Two serve in the military now and the rest will follow -- protecting your lame ass.

Tell you what -- you don't have to pay to educate my kids, and my kids in turn don't protect you, how's that for a deal?

112 Since the Department of Education has exaclty zero to do with education and everything to do with being a bloated federal bureaucracy...yes, I'd say I'd start there with Energy being right behind.  Ag needs to be about ten percent of its current size.

You guys are pikers. As I posted early, get rid of ALL the socialist programs 100% except SS and Medicare. Those get phased out over a short time frame.

113 "Hey Rasputin, let's just do away with the police forces and just allow citizens to enjoy their full 2nd Amendment rights. "

I agree. And military also. If Russia invades we'll just do like we did back in the colonial days with the British. Red Dawn, let the people handle it. The government sucks.

114 As for "peanut" troll if he doesn't want to support education all he has to do is don't own any property at all and don't rent.

115 "my kids in turn don't protect you, how's that for a deal?"

Deal. I can take care of myself. Mom just went to the store and bought Strawberry Poptarts, so I'm good with food and for defense I have some ninja throwing stars.

116 Rasputin, how about this: You guys go ahead an abort all your kids. Liberalism dies out. Righties take over. Deal? And I'll homeschool my kids - the fucking property taxes we have to pay, you know, the ones that KEEP GOING UP? Those are not voted in by me or mine. Look to your own friends and allies, if you have them.

117 Excuse me, I was talking about Rasputin not peanut, sorry.

118 123  Fair enough frakker -- when do my kids get to drop you off in Korangal?

119 124 +100 (I'd give you a 1000 points, but I kinda feel sorry for the lefties' kids -- poor kids can't pick their parents after all)

120

@118,

Peanut,

Windmills do not provide fuel for Airplanes, Cargo Ships/Trains, Semi-Trucks, Plastics which the by far the highest demands for the oil we use, and if we don't have it we go into economic collapse, and there is no clear solution anywhere....YET!

We gave up on Afghanistan once already, look where it got us! We are not fighting there because we think it's cool, the original plan was to make it work in American National Interests.

At this point...who knows what Obama's real agenda for the situation really is, but I'm quite skeptical!

 

121 The government sucks.

Good thing you voted for the guy who ballooned it by 30% in just over a year.

122 In the arctic units of the USAF, we got to choose whether we educated other people's kids.

123 Just representing the low IQ side here, so you guys don't have to be alone in this echo chamber.

124 Sarah,

I think you have the terms devils advocate and  annoying shit-stain one-trick-pony swapped in your brain.

No charge for the clue.

125

Well how freaking noble of you!

 

Here's a bit more of my "silliness":

history has shown that it is never a good idea to draw down one's military in the face of political/economic/social instability -- you usually end up behind the ball, and you usually end up paying in blood; history has also shown that the military has never hurt an economy so much as social programs do -- the military is a known, time tested entity: it puts people to work and it spurs R&D programs that often crossover into civilian life, social programs have so far not managed to break even in that regard; history has show us that it is not a good idea in times of socio-economic upheaval and political corruption and ineptitude to go messing with a professional military force -- it just isn't smart to frak with the legions too godawful much.

But by all means...go right ahead; after all, I'm silly and not ever so wise as you are dipshit.

126 Cut away bitches. just take that stupid fucking Osprey out first. How much dough of mine has been pissed away since 1983????? And still in development? Get the fuck out of here. DoD is worse than DoAg. Week up and see assholes.

127 Regarding the military "it puts people to work and it spurs R&D programs that often crossover into civilian life"

How about more classes where they teach kids to put condoms on cucumbers? I found that one useful because I often use a cucumber for secret butthole pleasuring.

mMmmmmm! Now that's some stimulus I can "get behind"!

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Rasputin,

Do you know what the term "Dip'em if you've got e'm" means?

Just get down on your knees, tilt you head back, open your mouth, and close your eyes......Trust me.......It's fun! 

 

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135  Oh really?  Where do you think we get some of the R&D started to go sending men to Mars?  (and how does sending men to Mars have any tangible benefits for people here on Earth?)

 

By all means though -- I would much rather build and repair infrastructure and even send people to Mars than pay for this stinking healthcare boondoggle or support the bloated Dept. of Ed, or the bloated EPA, or any other of those social welfare programs that people seem to have such a hard on for. (and quite unlike them, I am very willing to see cuts in unnecessary military spending or see the DoD spend their money more wisely and well)

130 raykon, if you can get from your Mom's basement to the coffee-house wi-fi, we got enough too many fucking roads.

And the hippies like you will be bitching about us going to Mars too.

You people hate everything the USA does first, well, or without an apology to the gaddamned spotted owls.

131 Hey asshole, those kids of mine that you "helped educate"?

Two serve in the military now and the rest will follow -- protecting your lame ass.

Tell you what -- you don't have to pay to educate my kids, and my kids in turn don't protect you, how's that for a deal?

Posted by: unknown jane at July 01, 2010 06:48 PM (5/yRG)

+100000

132 Building roads is an authorized task of the federal government, going to Mars not so much, unless we are planning on claiming Mars as a U.S. territory.

NONE of the socialist welfare schemes that the current federal government spends so much money on is authorized by the Constitution.

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@137

Jane,

See....What Rasputin doesn't seem to understand is that our founding documents actually support the idea of a military, where some of the other sociallists programs are pipe dreams of bleeding hearts.

Also, he fails to realize the economic benefits we have recieved from military spending. We can all probably agree that there is some military spending we can cut, but with the future economic situation we face, you could cut the military spending to zero, and it will barely make a dent.

We need economic growth in the private sector, and we better figure it quickly or this entire conversation won't matter when the dust settles.  

134 unless we are planning on claiming Mars as a U.S. territory.

OK, Moon too.

135 Cut away bitches. just take that stupid fucking Osprey out first. How much dough of mine has been pissed away since 1983?????

Billions and billions and billions...it won't get cut, though.  It's a piece of shit, but it's someone's very special piece of shit...

136 With regards to the cost of kids - when your liberal ass wants to help me with the big checks I send to Sister Nancy and the bigger checks I send to pay for some other kids worthless public schooling - I will stop handloading and assembling receiver groups all night.

137 "Sustainable Defense Task Force," huh? What's "sustainable" about destroying our ability to defend ourselves? Gee, imagine that: Liberals playing games with national security. Who'd a thunk???

138 Hmmmm.

No new tanker fleet?  Are they nucking futs?  Those KC-135 tankers are all around 20 years or more old!

Budget airlines have newer aircraft that that!

The only thing worse than the fucking Republicans are the fucking Democrats.

139 How long until Iran has nukes?  How many ICBMs do the Russians still have pointed our way?  We need grownups making these decisions, not left-wing dopes that never evolved beyond the "you can't hug your children with nuclear arms" college bullshit.

140 NONE of the socialist welfare schemes that the current federal government spends so much money on is authorized by the Constitution.

exactly, but there doesn't seem to be a damn thing we can do about it.  Once govt has the power and control, it will only grow larger , more intrusive, and farther beyond what it was supposed to be.

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No new tanker fleet?  Are they nucking futs?  Those KC-135 tankers are all around 20 years or more old! - memomachine

Try "over 45 years old". Well, if they get rid of the strategic bomber force and its mission, we really don't need any tankers, do we?

Agreed, on the whole "next fighter will me unmanned", is frankly poppy cock.

The way our industrial base is hemorraging, I don't know if we can sustain our technology edge much longer anyways.

142 Don't believe it. Ain't gonna happen.

143 Anybody else remember when Rumsfeld said, "You go into war with the military you have, not the military you want," when people were giving him shit for things not going perfectly a few years ago? Remember who it was who was giving him all that shit? ------ If we're gonna start cutting defense spending, then we begin by shuttering every remaining base left in MA. Then axe the redundant CT boatyards.

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141  Yeah, and what the dumbass also probably thinks is that mighty, projected EU military would come to our rescue...which 1)I'm not sure I could handle that sort of "rescue"; and 2)even if it did turn out to be worth a shit, I doubt they'd be our allies anymore than they are now (in fact, I'd put a bigger bet on just the opposite, given the way they think of us).

 

Well...my husband and I lived through the dreary, yet hopeful years just after the wonderful Carter era -- so I guess my kids can live through this; I suppose I should be grateful that only two have to live through Carter military 2.0.  I really hate politicians and the socialist welfare state they've created, just to make sure that's apparent.

Like the song says: "I We Need a Hero"

145 So be it, the future blood of American citizens is on their hands!

146

Hey, 52% of the country voted for national suicide.

Start planning on how to rebuild from the ashes.

147

@23: "What IS the long term strategy?"

Islam-friendly, internationalist socialist state.  The proposed cuts are in line with that goal.

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@146: "The only thing worse than the fucking Republicans are the fucking Democrats."

Sad, but true. 

149 I frequenter of defensetech.org and dodbuzz.com.  All us former military folks that seek to continue to support the defense of our nation after we retire are torn between laughing and crying.  We're so fucked it's not funny.  Or isn't it?

150 154--wouldn't be a bad idea to start thinking long and hard about cutting your ties with the 52%.  They are leaches, perfectly capable of reelecting Chairman Maobama or bringing in someone even worse.

151 Continue reading...
I can't. I just can't.

152 I, for one, welcome our new Chicom overlords. We have re-education facilities available for those who don't report to the Apple factory in your neighborhood on Monday.

153

How did it happen? Driven by top-level pressure to be as efficient as possible, Navy leaders in the early 2000s made a series of interrelated decisions to cut sailors, reform training, "streamline" fleet maintenance and take other steps in keeping with the philosophy then en vogue of "running the Navy like a business."

Point #1: Bush set this up

Point#2: Republicans in Congress are complicit

Point#3 emocRATS are merely bayoneting the wounded after the battle

I am sickened by our 'leaders'. Traitors is a closer appellation.

154 Leftists want to cut defense spending so that their allies will have an easier time destroying us. Does ANYONE actually believe that leftists are merely mistaken? There comes a point where stupidity is no longer an adequate explanation and malice becomes a virtual certainty.

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cuts planned for the Corps mean the United States will not be able to mount a major amphibious landing on any hostile shore

So...why retain the Corps at all?

156 If they would take all the "pork" in the Defence bill actually spent the money on Defence  it would be great ..The problem is its a slush fund of sorts...Did you know we lost a pallet of Money a few years ago in Iraq ?  They forgot where they left it.. a whole pallet... How do  they sleep at night ?

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