1 So they are selling a wheel of cheese?

2 On the plus side, they're finally getting serious about flying cars!

3 Anybody think Washington's going to get around to actually addressing the Democratic anti-prosperity policies dragging down the U.S. economy anytime soon? Of course they'll address it: Baghdad Bobby Gibbs will blame it on Bush. Easy!

4 me no want that cookie

5

"Washington needs something to sell"

 

 

Fudge frosted grassholes?

6

Joliet is discovering what cities across the U.S. have found: Declaring that a city is going to replace yesterday's lost jobs with new green ones is a lot easier than actually doing so.

Anyone else had that moment when you put the car in gear, lay on the gas and it takes you about five mintues to remember that you have parking brake on?

7
afternoon, seditionists

8 Wanna make bets?

Not a chance! I haven't got that kind of delusion or money!

9 Dang! That is a picture of the only product the Zero administration actually produces in quantity. The leftard world is formed from that product. That is a picture of their philosophy, their thinking, and their religion. The universal. all knowing galactic cow patty.

10 Gabe, I'm pretending really, really hard that that graphic is just a giant blob of mud.

11
Rush is going off. He's fired up about Clinton's anti-American remarks.

12 I guess I'm not finishing this pita and hummus.

13 #6 -

Anyone else had that moment when you put the car in gear, lay on the gas and it takes you about five mintues to remember that you have parking brake on?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)

It's happened. I usually blame a lack of coffee.

What's the Dem's excuse?

14 Spain has been a prime example of the hoax of a "green economy."  It's amazing to me that people in America would be so stupid to believe this crap.  I read a while back that the majority of GE's wind turbines are being manufactured in China.  Funny, but it seems labor and manufacturing cost a lot less there.  If the government stopped subsidizing green energy, the whole fraud would collapse.

15 It isn't easy being green. A lot of people starve.

16 BTW, just for my own info, how many of you city dwelling Yankees didn't recognize what was in the above photo?

17 So I'm thinking of remaking this quilt for 2010.  Different archetypes, probably...and instead of watching for "prosperity" around the corner, they'd be standing with their hands out waiting for their cut of Barry's stash.  And the donkey would be pooping all over a crowd of people waving Gadsden flags, and the elephant would be asleep.

(This is one of the 100 most important quilts of the 20th century, and it's espousing a crap philosophy.  Sigh.)

18 I have dogs and know what poopeys look like.  That is one bad poopey.

19
Any Michiganders here?

Granholm has all sorts of cockamamie 'green jobs' programs.

20

Joliet is discovering what cities across the U.S. have found: Declaring that a city is going to replace yesterday's lost jobs with new green ones is a lot easier than actually doing so.

Duh

I have to assume that some of these people thought there would be a rise in "green jobs"? I have to ask, why would they think that? If "green" technology was an expanding industry which also received tax breaks, wouldn't the market have required "green jobs"? Is the answer to why they thought they would exist merely "Obama said so".

 

Well, "discover" this. You are an idiot. If there were a market for green jobs then there would be a market for green jobs. The government does not create a market.

Idiots.

21 It isn't easy being green. A lot of people starve.

Jump on down to Doc Hoppers for a Valu Snak Pak--two small legs, small fry, small soda, small price.

22 One flaw with your illustration - you actually can burn that for fuel. 

23
Alternative energy projects run on government cash.  Not on wind,  solar energy,  biofuels or recyclable products.  It's government cash that keeps those wind farms turning.

24

Wanna make bets?

Put me down for the 7 to 8 a.m. block on Wednesday, Nov. 3, 2010.

25 In the late 1970's synfuels, today "green jobs". The Obamunists resurrect the Carterites.

26 A friend of mine, an engineer, was contacted via a local job bank (she'd been laid off for over a year- AN ENGINEER!) about jobs in the 'green program'.

After answering a few questions about her qualifications (EMINENTLY qualified in power engineering) they then began to ask her questions about herself-  married?  kids? 

She thought to herself, now, they are NOT allowed to ask these kinds of questions about a job applicant, so why are they asking me these now?

When she posed 'curiosity' about these types of questions to the caller, the caller, from the local GOVERNMENT JOB BANK, said, and she quoted:

''these jobs are sponsored and funded by public funds, and therefore 'family people' get first preference in order to have a greater impact on supporting family structures.  Those who have family to support will get preference'

W.T.F????

Had a private firm asked that, she would not have to WORRY about finding a job- the lawsuit would have taken care of that...  how do they get away with this crap?

Wolf

27
As we regress into a 3rd world shit-hole, there will plenty of demand for bicycle technicians and junk collectors.  Those are 'green', right?

28 Yum. If you sprinkle a little sugar and cinnamon on that, it ain't half bad. I'm just getting tired of eating the same old meal- day after day after day.

29 I'll pass on wind. They are just passing wind.

30 Our Idiot Governor of Michigan (D, Deranged) has fallen hook line and sinker for Green Jobz. In fact, she's "created" at least one job, I think. Well, OK, probably none. In fact, she's probably killed jobs.

However, the mayor of our city brought in a defense contractor, which is going to be several hundred jobs at the very least.

I
Hate
Liberals.

31 Way off topic, but wow, Ethiopian woman wins Boston Marathon by just a few seconds.  Exciting finish.

32

Anybody think Washington's going to get around to actually addressing the Democratic anti-prosperity policies dragging down the U.S. economy anytime soon?

That will be addressed about the 9th of Never.

Wanna make bets?

I only bet that in the end...there will be only chaos.

33 Yeah, if any of the youngsters in my family were to consider pursuing this avenue as a career potential, my advice to them would be to reconsider Vajazzling as a profession.

34 seks shop

35 Had a private firm asked that, she would not have to WORRY about finding a job- the lawsuit would have taken care of that...  how do they get away with this crap?

The same way they give preference to minority- and female-owned businesses when issuing contracts.

36 The Chinese also manufacture all those special florescent bulbs that they want all of us to convert to. They last about 2 weeks and require a hazardous waste crew to clean up if you break one. And to sweeten the deal, cost around 5 bucks each IIRC.

37 35 Yeah, if any of the youngsters in my family were to consider pursuing this avenue as a career potential, my advice to them would be to reconsider Vajazzling as a profession.

Sir, I take exception to that remark!

There is a huge future in professional Vajazzling, as well as Assjazzling!

38
And to sweeten the deal, cost around 5 bucks each IIRC.

Eff that.  Kmart BigLots, I stocked up on incandescent bulbs. 

39 you know how the gov't is offering rebates for trading in your old appliances for the new energy efficient ones? well there is only so much money set aside per state so if you don't purchase the appliances immediately there is a good chance you won't qualify for the rebate.....in az.....the rebate lasted only a couple of hours before the money was gone......the early bird catches the worm and screw the rest!

40 Mmmmm pie!

41

CAPTION: "Too Much Vindaloo, a work of art by M. Patel (taken on the spare camera phone)"

42

4 cookie monster

 

how about a shit sandwich instead?

43 I finally got around to playing one of those God of War games, played the 3rd one for about an hour the other day.

44 I thought that second picture was a picture of Henry Waxman. 

45 Again, way off topic but a Kenyan man (surprise!) just won the Boston Marathon in a course record 2:05:54!  He broke Robert Cheryiot's previous record (2:07 and change), and ironically, his name is Robert Cheryiot too!  (And they're not related).  Ryan Hall (the American) in at 2:08 and change in 4th place.

46 And here in Maryland, the magical green jobs are going away: http://tinyurl.com/y3zcgev. So that's 320 jobs manufacturing solar panels gone poof. And where are those jobs going? If you dig a little bit, it seems that BP is outsourcing its N. American solar manufacturing...to Mexico, natch.

It's almost as if everything that the Teleprompter Jesus and his friends say is false, or something...

47 And in 2012, a Kenyan will beat the speed record on how quickly he's announced the loser in a Presidential election

48 "I Hate Liberals." I always feel sad for people who post stuff like this or "I hate conservatives." It says alot more about them than who they are commenting on. I don't care where new jobs come from. Green are great. Others are great too. This problem was 30 years in the making. We need all the help we can get in creating every new job we can.

49
I don't care where new jobs come from. Green are great. Others are great too.

Shut the fuck up, cocksucker.

50

Looking at that pic-

Somebody needs more Fiber in their diet....

51 50 "This problem was 30 years in the making. We need all the help we can get in creating every new job we can." Huh? 30 years in the making? Do you fags really think repeating that number will make people think that Reagan, and the largest and longest post war boom of jobs and economic activity, was a bad thing? Good luck with that homo.

52 I find the whole tenor of this post seditious, you are inciting rebellion against the authority of the state: Leader Obama has declared that Green Jobs are Good Jobs and such jobs will grow the economy!

How can you stand there and spread such obvious lies against the Truths of Leader Obama--except as an incitement to rebel against his Gaia-given Authority?!!

53

49 And in 2012, a Kenyan will beat the speed record on how quickly he's announced the loser in a Presidential election

2010 can't come fast enough!!  Although a lot more ruin can occur in the 2 1/2 years to go..............I need to get outside and appreciate the sunshine for free before the Obamanunists tax it.

54 And in 2012, a Kenyan will beat the speed record on how quickly he's announced the loser in a Presidential election

We snicker at your optimism.

55

Don't get me started on all the unicorn shoes we ordered for our black green smithing program.

56 lol.  ok need a warning before that picture, I'm eating my lunch here.  at least you guys didn't have a picture of pukey-o-si

57 Yep, that's unicorn dung alright. Unmistakable to the trained eye.

58

This problem was 30 years in the making. We need all the help we can get in creating every new job we can.

 

Unfortunately, these green jobs cost a lot more money "to create" than they bring in.  They are a bad investment on a bad return.  It's all a sleight of hand, smoke and mirrors scam. 

59

In Spain, green jobs were making normal jobs disappear because of subsidies I think.  By a factor of 1 to 2.2.

So 100,000 green jobs = negative 120,000 real jobs.  Fortunately they won't be around for long.  But I know there's people at my school getting associate's degrees in "green engineering" that won't be worth much.

60
The definition of a Green job is one that is so simple that it is overlooked by most people.  All of those standing in line for extended unemployment benefits and other such forms of Big Government assistance are, in fact, getting a Green job.  The Green, of course, being the redistributed tax dollars of the American taxpayer.  They are doing a job on you, Mr. and Mrs. taxpayer, whether you realize it or not.

61 What Washington is selling.

More like what is living in Washington. As I recall not a single one of us here believed a word of that green job bullshit in the beginning.

62 mmm mmmm mmm shit, the new skittle flavor

63 Lessee, if we spend 10 million to create each "green Job" Pretty soon, we will all be employed for $75 grand a year! At a cost of only 10 million each. Great sustainable economics Ahmed. Brilliant.  I wish to suscribe to your newsletter....

64

Does anyone know how much steel goes into a windmill? Turbine, tower and three blades -- I'm guessing it's a lot. Anyone know the tonnage?

(Not trivia here; I honestly don't know.)

65 Is that an undigested Prune just North of the main pile????

66

There's a great book out, published in the UK ("The Wind Farm Scam" by John Etherington) but the "green jobs scams" the author exposes are just as bad here, in fact the wind farm scams are worse here than in the UK. 

Here's a quote from the page on the book, I keep getting the rejection screen and it won't post with the url.  Google the book title to find more:

 

In The Wind Farm Scam Dr Etherington argues that in the case of wind power the latter far outweigh the former. Wind turbines cannot generate enough energy to reduce global CO2 levels to a meaningful degree; whatÂ’s more wind power is by nature intermittent and cannot generate a steady output, necessitating back-up coal and gas power plants that significantly negate the saving of greenhouse gas emissions.

In addition to the inefficacy of wind power there are ecological drawbacks, including damage to habitats, wildlife and the far-from-insignificant aesthetic drawback of the assault upon natural beauty and the pristine landscape, which wind turbines entail.

Dr. Etherington argues that wind power has been, and is being, excessively financed at the cost of consumers who have not been consulted, nor informed that this effective subsidy is being paid from their bills to support an industry that cannot be cost efficient or, ultimately, favour the cause it purports to support.

67 66  Don't forget the patented bearings (i.e. very expensive) whose failure rate is at a frequency nearly equivalent to the time it takes the initial investment to break even.

68 "Green jobs" was always just another means to funnel productive money into "Friends of Dems" wallets. That's why they hired a bonafide commie to run the program.

69 This green job scam reminds me of the old company store. We are overcharged so the govt can "create" jobs. It's just a redistributionist scheme. The govt is just like the old evil corporation (which didn't really exist like they tell it) except it has guns and prisons to back it up.

70

Should have included a link to an interesting website, a free-market energy blog:

masterresource.org

put the www in front and you're good to go.

71

Boots @ #68: What if we just disregard all of the enviro nonsense about windmills? I know that windmills have become more a symbol of a futuristic, environmetally friendly utopia, but they produce electricity. How much? I mean, the capitalist approch would be There's wind; harness it.

Again, I don't know the answer, so if anyone can put me to some knowledge, I'd appreciate it.

 

72

73 From what I understand windmills actually work pretty well at creating energy as long as there is wind. However, it is very very difficult to move the energy produced by windmills any distance. Same thing for solar. Coal, Oil, Hydro, Nuclear all use steam to turn turbines. You can do this with wind too but you have to have a plant with every set of windmills; they just can't be out on the plains whirlling away and transferring that energy any distance.

That's why I get so amused at all the "clean" elec stuff. How do they think we get elec? Unicorns or harnessing lightning?

73

Incandescent bulbs should not be banned. Those who can't handle bulbs without breaking them need to stick to incandescents. Those who can't figure out that energy costs dwarf bulb costs need to be able to stay in their reassuring cocoon of ignorance. Those who think it takes a HAZMAT team to clean up a broken CFL will not have to worry about a ban, because they're living in 2004 (here's some information from your future!)

I'm not trying to take away your bulbs, but I don't think trumpeting your ignorance is really helping you.

74 Those who can't figure out that energy costs dwarf bulb costs need to be able to stay in their reassuring cocoon of ignorance.

It's the crippling headaches from the shitty CFL light that concerns me, but thanks for your snotty faux-concern.

75

However, it is very very difficult to move the energy produced by windmills any distance.

Oh, for Pete's sake. It's no more difficult than it is to move energy produced by any other turbine. It's not a different kind of energy that fades with distance -- are you thinking that DC can't be turned into AC without a "plant"? The problem is that the power grid doesn't have the capacity built for the amount of energy that's being produced in these remote locales.

Well, that and the fact that production is unpredictable.

76

73 From what I understand windmills actually work pretty well at creating energy as long as there is wind. However, it is very very difficult to move the energy produced by windmills any distance. Same thing for solar. Coal, Oil, Hydro, Nuclear all use steam to turn turbines. You can do this with wind too but you have to have a plant with every set of windmills; they just can't be out on the plains whirlling away and transferring that energy any distance.

 

Windmills are also killing scads of birds and tons of people living near them are complaining of hearing loss (which can be objectively measured), tinnitus, headaches, etc.  Also complaints of the noise itself.

77

Sorry, those who can't figure out how to find a high-quality CFL bulb should also stick to incandescents.

And those who idenify everything as "faux-concern" even if it isn't presented as concern should probably lick their wounds in private.

78

The problem is that the power grid doesn't have the capacity built for the amount of energy that's being produced in these remote locales.

Wasn't increasing the grid's capacity one of those infrastructure projects that the government has already spent a half-trillion dollars on?

79 We could just drill for oil.

80 Again, I don't know the answer, so if anyone can put me to some knowledge, I'd appreciate it.

Take it from somebody with actual utility experience. Windmills are the current worst of the lot as far as cost/kw goes and on top of that they can NEVER be a large portion of the generation mix because they vary in output so much.

The other problem is that, like hydro, there are only a few locations where they will work at all. Anyone advocating wind power on a large scale is one of three things; an idiot, a crook seeking to gain from government mandates, or a communist like Obama who is seeking to nationalize the electrical industry by forcing mandates on them that can not pay off.

81

Half of the windmills at Altamont Pass in CA are being taken off line this year for bird migration season, and then those will be rotated on/off with the other half.  Many of the Altamont Pass windmills are free-spinning (not hooked up or producing electricity) due to various internal defects with the windmills.

The electricity produced by windmills is erratic, you need wind for electricity to be generated.  No wind, no juice.  So gas or coal or oil generators will always be required.

The electricity produced by windmills needs to be transported by either overhead or underground wires, many many miles to where it will be consumed.  Constructing a new grid of wires to get the rather puny output of the windmills transported vast distances costs more than the electricity is worth.  Plus homeowners along the way have to be paid to allow the easement for transmission wires, or eminent domain needs to take the property of thousands (many hundreds of thousands?) of homeowners.

The windmills themselves are the size of 40+ story buildings (more than 400 feet tall).  They consume huge amounts of resources to build, transport, and install.  It will be many decades before that initial cost is recouped.  Additional decades before the tiny bit of electricity makes it to a end user destination profitably.

Economically windmills are unsustainable.  They are a payoff to favored democrat constituencies.  Welfare for rich corporations like GE.

Oh, and they aren't even manufactured here, they come from China. 

82

83 Original Roy seems to think the transport is easy.....

83

(carrying my thoughts over from another thread)

I have nothing against windmills -- the genuine concerns in #78 notwithstanding. The big obstacle is in the initial phases. I saw on TV somewhere that the first thing that needs to happen is the aqcuisition of a lot of land. Then the grid needs to be updated do accept and transmit all of that juice. The wires need towers which will also need real estate. And right now, a lot of people need work.

Making this happen seems like an appropriate big project for a big government. The president said he wants this to happen, and Congress funded about $800 billion for stuff like this, more than half of which has been spent.

Should we build windmill farms? isn't my question. They (or something) should already have been built. And if the Democrats running this show were even a little bit honest, this indeed would have been built.

Where did that half-trillion dollars go? is my question.

84

Original Roy must live in one of those "houses by the sea, powered by the wind on the plains".  That Siemens commercial really ticks me off.

Why should people on the plains have their communities destroyed by these wind farms, so that rich slobs can live in their house by the sea, and we mustn't dare destroy THEIR view of the sea with a damn windmill.  Yeah Kennedy family I'm looking at you.

I'm in the midwest, and I'm starting to think this windmill scam is another way for Obama to destroy the lives of the American midwest middle class.  The midwest is becoming overrun with wind farms, and it is destroying small town America here.

85

How do you think big govt obamatyrant would handle imminent domain? I'm guessing with an iron fist. Those pesky private properties might get in the way of those huge wired windfarms and their transport. 

86

86 fire house

 

it went into the pockets of a very few.....nothing irritates me more than these big dollars being thrown around at a handful of criminals who never come in under contract and rarely finish the job......and if they finish the job.......it's done in a fashion that billions more will be needed to fix the flagrant mistakes.........the only thing better is when it goes for "research"

87 oops horse

88 Original Roy seems to think the transport is easy.....

I wrote exactly what I think. Why do you think you have to guess what I think? The poster wrote something bozotic about wind energy being harder to transmit. I said it ain't so. The end.

Original Roy must live in one of those "houses by the sea, powered by the wind on the plains".  That Siemens commercial really ticks me off.
[...]

Why should people on the plains have their communities destroyed by these wind farms

Yes, because I corrected somebody's erroneous claims about wind energy, I'm clearly DESTROYING YOUR COMMUNITIES WITH MY DIABOLICAL WIND TURBINE EMPIRE! MUAHAHAHAHA!

Christ on a pogo stick. Errors are errors. If you just want this to be an echo chamber where nobody points out when you're saying something stupid, you probably want Little Green Footballs.

89 ⁶¹

^{In Spain, green jobs were making normal jobs disappear because of subsidies I think.  By a factor of 1 to 2.2.}

^{So 100,000 green jobs = negative 120,000 real jobs.  Fortunately they won't be around for long.  But I know there's people at my school getting associate's degrees in "green engineering" that won't be worth much.}

^{Posted by: Cincinnatus}

Here is the study from Universidad Rey Juan Carlos that backs up this claim.
http://tinyurl.com/UniversidadReyJuanCarlos
Another little gem from the study:
^{The study calculates that since 2000 Spain spent €571,138 to create each
“green job”, including subsidies of more than €1 million per wind industry job.}
Another gem:
^{Each “green” megawatt installed destroys 5.28 jobs on average elsewhere in the economy: 8.99 by photovoltaics, 4.27 by wind energy, 5.05 by mini-hydro.}
Our future:
<sup>14. The price of a comprehensive electricity rate (paid by the end consumer) in
Spain would have to be increased 31% to being able to repay the historic debt
generated by this rate deficit mainly produced by the subsidies to renewables,
according to SpainÂ’s energy regulator.
15. Spanish citizens must therefore cope with either an increase of electricity rates
or increased taxes (and public deficit), as will the U.S. if it follows SpainÂ’s model.
16. The high cost of electricity due to the green job policy tends to drive the
relatively most electricity-intensive companies and industries away, seeking
areas where costs are lower. The example of Acerinox is just such a case.</sup>

90 They (or something) should already have been built. And if the Democrats running this show were even a little bit honest, this indeed would have been built.

BULLSHIT

What should be happening is for the federal government to get its slimy communist hands OUT of the power generation business and let private companies continue to do what they need to do.

As far as all that money that supposedly went to "smart grid et al" it hasn't gone anywhere. Most of it was once again dedicated to research which in Washington speak means payoffs to favored companies and universities.

Wind power is bullshit and so is solar. What people should be doing is advocating for State governments and utility commissions to get off their ass and build some more lower cost generation BEFORE this damn recession is over.  The only reason the NE and SW haven't been doing blackouts is because we are in an economic downturn.

We don't need to be wheeling power all over the damn country because the watermelons in CA and NY don't want to build any kind of a power plant.

91

I wrote:

However, it is very very difficult to move the energy produced by windmills any distance.

Boots wrote it better:

The electricity produced by windmills needs to be transported by either overhead or underground wires, many many miles to where it will be consumed.  Constructing a new grid of wires to get the rather puny output of the windmills transported vast distances costs more than the electricity is worth.  Plus homeowners along the way have to be paid to allow the easement for transmission wires, or eminent domain needs to take the property of thousands (many hundreds of thousands?) of homeowners.

You had said:

Oh, for Pete's sake. It's no more difficult than it is to move energy produced by any other turbine. It's not a different kind of energy that fades with distance -- are you thinking that DC can't be turned into AC without a "plant"?

You also said:

The poster wrote something bozotic.

 

My fault was that I was not as clear as boots. However, it is not necessary to come on here and start yelling, demeaning, and calling people names. You can differ without doing so.

Here are a couple of hints. You can say, for example, "I think that the windmill energy is actually easily transported, it just requires...." You can also avoid slurs of other posters if the other poster is obviously not a troll or is not being a douchebag themselves.

Unlike LGF, we are fine about disagreeing with one another but we don't try to be hostile just to be a dick. The morons are apparently secure with their penis size and don't have to try to make it seem bigger with random hostility.

 

 

92 The morons are apparently secure with their penis size and don't have to try to make it seem bigger with random hostility.

Apparently you can't number yourself among them.

Hostility and name-calling by me? I don't think so. I characterized your claim as bozotic, which it was, and I didn't even do that in my original correction. Only when I had to respond to your sulking rejoinder.

"Oh for Pete's sake" is not hostility. It's exasperation. "You did that because you're a dick" would be hostile name-calling. Not that either of us said that. But you came a lot closer than I did. So...do you plan to lead by example anytime soon, or just demand that others behave better than you?

93

96 I don't have a penis you stupid bozo. I was saying the same thing as boots but since we were not really talking about windmills, I didn't go into detail.

You don't have to show people every time you are exasperated then--how's that?

And you did start with the name calling. BOZO is a name.

Fuck off

94

You don't have to show people every time you are exasperated then--how's that?

But you do:

Fuck off

Maybe you need a penis. Perhaps that's the source of internal consistency. I know where you can get one.

BOZO is a name.

I'm aware of that. But I didn't call you Bozo. Your claim was bozotic. You are just dickless, by your own description.

Ok, I'm sorry that I made you think I was calling you names and demeaning you when name-calling and demeaning ("you stupid bozo") are your exclusive domain. I'll try to be more clear that I think what you say is stupid and not step on your ad hominem toes.

95

"Washington needs something to sell. It can't be a panacea for everyone."

 

How about "Washington needs something to sell. Or it will be a panacea pinata for everyone."

96

Original Boy

I have a dick. It's a pretty big dick. But my dick isn't as big a dick as you are.

Fuck off yourself.

97

Decent taxpaying citizens are getting hot under the collar because their tax dollars are being thrown to the wind, literally, with no benefit other than to the big donors who get the cash (Siemens, GE, etc).

As cincinnatus stated above (please to make the font bigger next time?) green jobs creation programs have led to the destruction of jobs in total. 

This windmill scam is just the latest and most visible example of stealing from Peter to pay Paul.  This particular issue might finally cause a real split in the environmental movement between real environmental conservatives and the watermelons (who are now firmly backing windmills even as those windmills decimate bird & bat populations). 

Those giant windmill towers remind me of the giant public housing buildings that were constructed in our big cities in the 1960's.  Yet more money is now being expended blowing up those high rise slums.  So it will be with these windmills.

98 Thanks, Maddogg, for showing the class that dagya insists that everyone here except me displays.

I'm going to go cry now, because you really showed me.

99 Dagny. Sorry. Misremembered.

100 It's probably the sheer, overwhelming testosterone displayed by Maddogg that got me so flustered. But I wanted to point out something that you might have misunderstood, which led to your highly impressive:

Fuck off yourself.

The "Fuck off" in my reply to dagny was quoted from dagny, and not something I wrote myself. For some reason, the italics got dropped when I posted it. So you probably should redirect that bon mot to the original author and not to me.

101

The "Fuck off" in my reply to dagny was quoted from dagny, and not something I wrote myself. For some reason, the italics got dropped when I posted it. So you probably should redirect that bon mot to the original author and not to me.

No Roy. I meant it for you. I hope this clarifies things.

102 Well, if you're as ginormously endowed as you claimed, you've at least clarified that the penis is not the key to internal consistency. The "<whatever> yourself" construct is a retort to someone who has said "<whatever>" to you first.

Let me know if riding to dagny's defense scores you anything.

103

I know what you're saying, Vic, and you're right.

I was just saying that the people running the government were all like Let's build wind farms and they got everything they needed to build windfarms. But they haven't. Right or wrong, agree or disagree, this is what they said. And here we are, and we don't have windfarms from Fargo to Dallas. Honesty means, in part, doing what you said you'd do.

They said they'd do something and they haven't done it. They're not honest. That was my main point.

To bring it full circle, green jobs truly are empty promises.

104 What's with all the steamy Pelosi pics?

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