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October 27, 2010

Greggy Sargent Thinks He's Got A Smokin' New Anti-Republican Ad
— Ace

The Dems' new line of attack: Republicans don't care about you; they only care about making Obama a one term president.

There is a bit of truth to the basic idea that if the public senses it's "just about politics, not about me" they will turn off. That's why I criticize things like Limbaugh's "I want him to fail" (or, more accurately, while I criticize the idea that office-holders or candidates should endorse that line). It's also why I don't mind John Boehner making the occasional statement that sure, he looks forward to finding areas of compromise with Obama.

Swing voters do not have the passion for the win/loss aspect of politics that partisans do, and partisans have to keep that in mind. They're mushy-heads. If they were inclined to take a bright-line position they would have. They don't want to make binary choices and they resist whichever party seems to be forcing them to make a binary choice, and reward whichever party gives them some blather about having it all.

That said:

We're at the point where we're going to have to start forcing the public to make yes or no, up or down choices. Blather has gotten us to this point; we need a lot less blather. We still need some -- we have to at least attempt a moderate tone while pushing for conservative policy -- but we can't continue on this path of letting independents think they can have both low taxes and high spending. We can't. They have to be woken up from their drowsy dreams and smell the reality of the numbers.

Furthermore, given that Obama's "deserves reection" number is around 38%, I think it's fair to say that most Americans are supportive to some degree of the idea that Obama should be a one-term experiment.

But we do have to avoid making it sound like it's all a game, as McConnell's remark can be interpreted.

Posted by: Ace at 07:04 AM | Comments (118)
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1 He's right.

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 27, 2010 07:06 AM (V/C0X)

2 I like to smell my own farts

Posted by: Greg at October 27, 2010 07:07 AM (huyI8)

3
F*cking McConnell, he's the October Surprise.

Posted by: Dang Straights at October 27, 2010 07:08 AM (fx8sm)

I am getting the time slot for a phone bank GOTV event for AZ-05 Dave Schweikert this Saturday.(Phoenix, Tempe, Scottsdale)

Anyone in AZ-05 pls stop by my blog or AceHQÂ’s Be the Wave later today for hours and please please come by if you can.

BE THE WAVE!

Posted by: ginaswo at October 27, 2010 07:08 AM (LUZIh)

5
Ace, ain't it time for a bannination on the idiot thread-crapping?

Posted by: Dang Straights at October 27, 2010 07:08 AM (fx8sm)

6 That's why I criticize things like Limbaugh's "I want him to fail"

Just had to resurrect that circular firing squad?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at October 27, 2010 07:09 AM (0q2P7)

7 What a sucky ad. However, it does have the smell of fear and desperation about it. So there's that.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 27, 2010 07:10 AM (UOM48)

8
Just had to resurrect that circular firing squad?

Last I checked, Limbaugh doesn't hold any office or leadership position with the GOP, so who cares what he says?

Posted by: Dang Straights at October 27, 2010 07:10 AM (fx8sm)

9 Great ad! Convinced me! I'd vote straight Republican on Tuesday, except I already voted straight Republican in early voting last week. (Unfortunately, despite what this ad says, we're still stuck with Obama on November 3.)

Posted by: Minnie Rodent at October 27, 2010 07:10 AM (PZLW0)

10 Time to begin the transition out of the Obama Error...

Posted by: DarkLordOfTheIntarWebs at October 27, 2010 07:11 AM (GBXon)

11 Speaking of Anti-Republican ads (actually, anti-Conservative), Joe Scarborough is teh douche-canoe.

Posted by: eman at October 27, 2010 07:11 AM (5/qO3)

12 Obama's the one thing in the way of all those other things.

So making him a one-termer (and a lame duck one) addresses all those other issues.

Posted by: nickless at October 27, 2010 07:12 AM (MMC8r)

13 Ace are you in this thread??????

Posted by: willow at October 27, 2010 07:14 AM (iAu/o)

14 "It's also why I don't mind John Boehner making the occasional statement that sure, he looks forward to finding areas of compromise with Obama." Take of your McCain hat, please. Compromising with Marxists is so 2008.

Posted by: eman at October 27, 2010 07:15 AM (5/qO3)

15 The TEA Parties are not using moderate tones and they are stomping their foes. Moderation now is equal to failure and weakness.

Posted by: eman at October 27, 2010 07:18 AM (5/qO3)

16 The Washingto Post is shameless in letting Greg Sargent shill incessantly for his Democrat masters pretending he's just a leans leftish commentator. Sargent's head is so far up the democrats parties ass you can smell shit over the computer screen. I wonder if they have to file and in-kind gift dealy because of him?

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 27, 2010 07:18 AM (8x3SC)

17 Obama
one term President.
Well Republicans have finally taken a stand I can enthusiastically get behind.
After 2008 I wondered if Repubs cared about running for President at all.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at October 27, 2010 07:18 AM (0q2P7)

18 Joe Scarborough always brings teh stupid. Love him scolding Palin. What a useless tool.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 27, 2010 07:18 AM (UOM48)

19 The problem with this line of attack is that it seems Obama wants to be a one-term president.

Posted by: Jean at October 27, 2010 07:19 AM (G5WHn)

20 The Washingto Post is shameless in letting Greg Sargent shill incessantly for his Democrat masters pretending he's just a leans leftish commentator.

I'm surprised WaPo lets him spend so much time postng poll results here.

Posted by: nickless at October 27, 2010 07:19 AM (MMC8r)

21 Yeah, because all the independents who are mad at Obama's policies would be so put off by "Oh by the way, we are gonna throw him out on his ass in two years."

Posted by: Not Greg at October 27, 2010 07:19 AM (Snu7z)

22 making O a one term Pres is just another way of saying "cut your losses." Best to start ASAP

Posted by: mallfly at October 27, 2010 07:20 AM (bJm7W)

23 Thanks , Greg. Your insight is so profound you just have to start spammming it.

Posted by: Techie at October 27, 2010 07:20 AM (+AGDS)

24 Time to begin the transition out of the Obama Error...

Posted by: DarkLordOfTheIntarWebs at October 27, 2010 11:11 AM (GBXon)

I prefer to phrase that idea as we stepped in the Obama, now we need to scrape it off our shoe.

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 27, 2010 07:20 AM (xxgag)

25 Greg can go smoke a pole, while he is busy obsessing over polls.

Posted by: Not Greg at October 27, 2010 07:20 AM (Snu7z)

26 Speaking of ads, Jim Matheson (D-UT) is now running negative ads against Philpot, a little surprising since I didn't think he was in any jeopardy. He's also running ads referring to his vote against "Bush's bailout".

Posted by: Y-not at October 27, 2010 07:20 AM (UcOiF)

27 and didn't O already say something about wanting to be a one term President..?

Posted by: mallfly at October 27, 2010 07:22 AM (bJm7W)

28 Great ad! Around 55% of Americans agree that Obama should be a one-termer, so I'm not sure I see how this benefits the Dems....

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at October 27, 2010 07:22 AM (+tRwn)

29 There was some wonderfully crisp & clean imagery in that clip, except for the one at the end, - of you and your family.

Posted by: Barry the Orator at October 27, 2010 07:22 AM (GwPRU)

30 The Dems' new line of attack: Republicans don't care about you; they only care about making Obama a one term president. They say that like it's a bad thing....

Posted by: Because SOMEBODY had to say it. at October 27, 2010 07:22 AM (RD7QR)

31 @23 start? S.O.P. with this clown. DrewM could put up a post about, oh I don't know, his favorite band....and along comes Greg the Idiot Savant with the same stupid crap he has already cut-n-pasted on the last twelve threads.

Posted by: Not Greg at October 27, 2010 07:22 AM (Snu7z)

32 The problem with this line of attack is that it seems Obama wants to be a one-term president.

He would rather do that than compromise his Socialist principals. We just have to hold him to his convictions.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at October 27, 2010 07:23 AM (0q2P7)

33
"Republicans in Congress should look for opportunities to work with President Obama in the next two years, Sen. Lindsey Graham R- South Carolina."

She must be spotting heavy, and HERE is her screed.

Posted by: Fish at October 27, 2010 07:23 AM (v1gw3)

34 19, Yeah, but he wants to be a one-term President with a Democrat House and Senate. No way he wants to be a one-term President with a GOP/TEA Party House and Senate. Where's the fun in being OTPOTUS if you can't destroy the USA and enjoy its many fine golf courses at the same time?

Posted by: eman at October 27, 2010 07:24 AM (5/qO3)

35 28 Great ad! Around 55% of Americans agree that Obama should be a one-termer, so I'm not sure I see how this benefits the Dems....

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at October 27, 2010 11:22 AM (+tRwn)

It doesn't. It just makes poor Acey feel uncomfortable (like the "I want him to fail" line did).

Posted by: Gryph at October 27, 2010 07:25 AM (UHYuF)

36 no, gregg was sickinmass.

Posted by: Editor at October 27, 2010 07:26 AM (pUfK9)

37 I may need a second term if I can't get this slice figured out...

Posted by: Barry O' The Links at October 27, 2010 07:26 AM (FcR7P)

38 Greg the Idiot Savant with the same stupid crap he has already cut-n-pasted on the last twelve threads.

Remember 2008 when we had real trolls? The wheels have just fallen off the political machine if dum-dum and ^C^V are the best Axelrod can do these days.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at October 27, 2010 07:26 AM (0q2P7)

39 "Republicans in Congress should look for opportunities to work with President Obama in the next two years, Sen. Lindsey Graham R- South Carolina."

Are you sure you can reach that far up from the back of the bus to give him our money?

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 27, 2010 07:26 AM (xxgag)

40 What's the big deal? Democrats losing the House will only make them stronger. In fact if they lose the Senate it will be an unprecedented victory for Obama. Silly cons. When Obama loses in 2012 I'll have to troll here again to explain how that will mean he's actually won. I really believe this, you guys. My vision is lucid and far from my basement window. I swear the masturbation has actually cured my myopia.

Posted by: Greg at October 27, 2010 07:27 AM (AZGON)

I don't have a problem with the idea of getting rid of Obama as being the end game. If you have enough of a clue to realize getting rid of this communist prick gets rid of his communist prick policies and communist prick pals and removes George Soros from the puppet master's chair then, hell yeah!

Getting rid of Obama is "caring" (barf) about the american people. Trying to keep from turning you into slaves, you stupid sheep.

Posted by: dagny at October 27, 2010 07:27 AM (9F0fL)

42 Ace, it is no longer about the old style politics. That went out the window when mom and pop hit the streets.

If all we have to worry about is a lame ad like that one, then we have nothing to worry about. The Dems will steal more votes in one precinct than that ad will bring in for the whole area.

Posted by: Vic at October 27, 2010 07:28 AM (/jbAw)

43 My caddy brings a waffle iron, too.

Posted by: President Ebola at October 27, 2010 07:28 AM (5/qO3)

44 41 I think this will sum up the last two years in the White House for Obama. Veto, veto, veto, golf, golf, golf, a trip overseas, golf, party, party, party, golf, a speech, golf, party, veto.Posted by: CDR M at October 27, 2010 11:27 AM (5I8G0)

I think that's one too many vetoes, friend.

Posted by: Gryph at October 27, 2010 07:29 AM (UHYuF)

45 @41 Not enough golf.

Posted by: George Orwell at October 27, 2010 07:29 AM (AZGON)

46 Obama's strongly approval rating is at 27%. About the population of completely stoned methed out std ridden freaks in CA.

Posted by: dagny at October 27, 2010 07:31 AM (9F0fL)

47 Isn't The Won due for another vacation soon? I hear Somalia is nice this time of year.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 27, 2010 07:31 AM (UOM48)

48 " given that Obama's "deserves reection" number is around 38%, I think it's fair to say that most Americans are supportive to some degree of the idea that Obama should be a one-term experiment."

This.

Moreover, the Democrats are still so clueless and playing to their base because, for example, the ad also reminds everyone about health care.

People do want what's going on in Washington stopped every bit as much as they want something positive actually done.

The Democrats' game plan is as bad this year as the GOP's was in 2008. Just foundering.

I know...let's remind everyone Boehner smokes one more time!

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at October 27, 2010 07:31 AM (GGulh)

49 heh

Posted by: Greg at October 27, 2010 07:32 AM (huyI8)

50
Is that condescending capitalist Juan Williams posting on this thread? He got what was coming to him by straying from the liberal/socialist party line, and I spanked him like a white bitch challenging the esteemed Harry Reid.

Posted by: Vivian Schiller, CEO NPR at October 27, 2010 07:32 AM (v1gw3)

51 Looks like "make Ace squirm" is a necessary ingredient for success in the next electoral cycle.

Posted by: Gryph at October 27, 2010 07:33 AM (UHYuF)

52 50 I know...let's remind everyone Boehner smokes one more time!

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at October 27, 2010 11:31 AM (GGulh)

Nazi.

Posted by: Gryph at October 27, 2010 07:33 AM (UHYuF)

53 Honest Cl....err..."Greg" is going to wake up sticky, broke and confused on the morning of November 3rd.

To us, it will be the day after a wave election.

To him, it will be a typical Wednesday.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at October 27, 2010 07:34 AM (Snu7z)

Seems to me McConnell made a defensible statement. I mean, defensible to uncommitted voters. As long as Obama lets the unions call the shots in the White House, he's gotta go. If he stops sucking up to unions, then we'll reevaluate.

That's how I'd defend it, anyway.

Posted by: spongeworthy at October 27, 2010 07:35 AM (rplL3)

55 I can't believe they thought that ad was a good idea. 62% of the nation thinks Obama should be a one-term President. Ooh, ooh, I know! Say that if they vote Republican, then Obama will be a one-term President! They also started with jobs and taxes in that ad. Bad idea for them.

Posted by: t-bird at October 27, 2010 07:35 AM (FcR7P)

56 So which is the real gregtroll? My kids are 16 and 18, so while I am good at differentiating between stupid and really stupid, greg's profound stupidity and the facsimiles from the morons can be tough to separate.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo ( NJConservative) at October 27, 2010 07:35 AM (LH6ir)

57 reward whichever party gives them some blather about having it all

Eh, screw them. That kind of thinking is not compatible with cutting federal spending by 20 dB.

Posted by: John Galt at October 27, 2010 07:35 AM (F/4zf)

58 Funneh!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 27, 2010 07:36 AM (dnBxe)

59 Republicans should lay off the "we want Obama to be a one-termer" theme. Obama couldnt care less. I'm convinced that he really doesn't care about the Democrat party and its position in power. Fact of the matter is, him and his left-wing stooges in Congress got the crown-jewel of leftist entitlement utopia in healthcare reform already. The stage is set for the eventual nationalization of healthcare. Everything else is just gravy. And when you have a politician who really doesnt care about getting re-elected, then watch out. With Republicans in control of the House (the Senate not likely) he will sit back and pretty much dare them to not fund it and/or go for repeal. To hell with Democrat majorities, to hell with Reid in the Senate. Look at the Senate, you have spineless douches who won't even stand up to Lisa M, who lost a primary! for pete's sake. They're getting the shakes talking about defunding NPR, even. That being said, the onus is on the conservative grassroots that fueled this November wave, to hold their newly-elected reps feet to the fire. And, lets not forget, alot of the same idiots who were in leadership positions at the GOP over the last 10 years are still there now. That has to be watched closely. McConnell. Cornyn, etc...all of 'em. None of their re-election prospects should be carved in stone. Not anymore. They should be reminded of that constantly.

Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at October 27, 2010 07:38 AM (6uiF7)

60 Eh, screw them. That kind of thinking is not compatible with cutting federal spending by 20 dB. Posted by: John Galt at October 27, 2010 11:35 AM (F/4zf) We're going to soundproof the budget?

Posted by: Because SOMEBODY had to say it. at October 27, 2010 07:38 AM (RD7QR)

61 48 Obama's strongly approval rating is at 27%. About the population of completely stoned methed out std ridden freaks in CA. I hate to tell you but the slavish drooling over Earflaps McUnicorn in Clownifornia is not the product of methamphetamines. We willingly line up to grovel and have Sacramento slit our throats. Plus, the rest of you get to bail us out. If you were wise you would build that fence along the eastern edge of the Sierra Nevadas.

Posted by: George Orwell at October 27, 2010 07:38 AM (AZGON)

62 To him, it will be a typical Wednesday.

Wake up in a dumpster, with all my clothes missing and severe pain coming from my ass?

Posted by: Greggy at October 27, 2010 07:42 AM (B4xb/)

63 I think what Obama said was that if he could destroy the country in one term then he would be happy. Otherwise, he wanted another shot at it.

Posted by: kansas at October 27, 2010 07:42 AM (mka2b)

64 #63 If you were wise you would build that fence along the eastern edge of the Sierra Nevadas.

Then we can film Escape from California starring a very old Kurt Russell as Snake Plissken.

Want to read something funny (not ha, ha funny)? Try Krudman's latest bird-liner piece.

CanÂ’t Keep a Bad Idea Down

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at October 27, 2010 07:43 AM (9hSKh)

65 This ad is terrible. Obama's approval rating is what, 37%.

Republicans striving to make Obama a one-term President would be a net positive for voters, yes?

/And it's not a good idea to remind the voters of all the crap bills this Congress shoved down our throats, Greggy.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at October 27, 2010 07:44 AM (9hSKh)

66 @64 I am pretty sure that "severe ass pain" is no longer an issue for our dear friend "Greg." He has been around the block a few times IYKWIMAITYD.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at October 27, 2010 07:44 AM (Snu7z)

67 "64 To him, it will be a typical Wednesday. Wake up in a dumpster, with all my clothes missing and severe pain coming from my ass?" That boy won't stop sleeping with the hoboes. Just like his mom, he is.

Posted by: Greg's Mom at October 27, 2010 07:45 AM (AZGON)

The best way to make this happen is to concentrate on the issues and start doing things like making sure that crap-and-tax is deader than dead, the Bush tax cuts get extended or made permanent, the EPA gets a drastic budget cut, start zero-accounting for every government agency, and stuff like that there.

Just left the Dims keep babbling amongst themselves. It keeps them occupied, like a bright, shiny object.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 27, 2010 07:46 AM (3jxR/)

69 A Republican take over on this November is probably the only chance Obama has to have a second term.

Posted by: Holger at October 27, 2010 07:48 AM (V9Q+f)

70 I am pretty sure that "severe ass pain" is no longer an issue for our dear friend "Greg."

I think the boys are using baseball bats these days. Hard to remember with all the drugs I'm doing.

Posted by: Greggy at October 27, 2010 07:49 AM (B4xb/)

What the heck? Obama a one term President? Works for me. I'd also like a new bicycle for Christmas and a dinner date with Gloria Swanson (okay she's long dead and buried---how about a dinner date with a 19 year old Little Janey Fondle? I'd give her something to remember, and she wouldn't run off to Hanoi afterwards.)

But I wouldn't bother to read or watch Greg Sargent.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at October 27, 2010 07:49 AM (3ESDJ)

72 ...and that's just wrong because we're not done yet. We need more government. We need more programs. We need more layoffs. We need more unemployment. We need more taxes to pay for it all. And that's where you come in. Folks, don't leave us hanging this November.

Posted by: Greg Sargent at October 27, 2010 07:50 AM (FcR7P)

73 "But we do have to avoid making it sound like it's all a game, as McConnell's remark can be interpreted." It's not just "independents" and "moderates" who don't consider politics to be a "game". Most conservatives I know are sick of the "game" both Democrats and RINOs play. This is not a game to most Americans. This is our livelihoods. Unemployment affects everyone. Losing one's house, because of unemployment affects everyone. Higher taxes affect everyone. Higher healthcare costs affect everyone. Higher energy costs affect everyone. Illegal immigration affects everyone in that it costs Americans jobs, it costs hospitals money sometimes forcing them to shut down and it sometimes costs people's lives in many SW States. Every part of politics has a real, direct effect on people's everyday lives. This is not a game. And most normal people get angry with politicians who treat it as a game. People like me don't want to hear about "compromise" with socialist/communist/Marxist policies, we want to hear our representatives say that there will be no compromise with failed policies, that they will work to stop them and work to get proven successful policies in place.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at October 27, 2010 07:50 AM (NITzp)

74 Not just McConnell, but Darrell Issa has a bunch of subpoenas lined up and ready to fire and that just ain't what I am interested in. Leave that shit alone and set about the business of fixing this mess. Assholes. If they do this, the press will play it up huge and make them look like douchebags to the average person and make them look "mean". Don't do it; ignore the fucking Democrats and just steamroller their programs. Idiots.

Posted by: DaveyNC at October 27, 2010 07:50 AM (Qv/Yz)

left = let

...damned analogue spell chequer.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 27, 2010 07:50 AM (3jxR/)

76 "Republicans in Congress should look for opportunities to work with President Obama in the next two years, Sen. Lindsey Graham R- South Carolina."

If "work with" is a euphemism for "not give him a single fucking thing he expects, forcing him to chain-smoke like a fiend between parties and tantrums and golfing" I'm good with that.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at October 27, 2010 07:50 AM (Vz9lf)

77 McConnell was obviously talking about the necessity to avoid a veto to undo any of the disasterous policies the idiots have screwed us with so far. Most opinions held by Democrats can be explained by poor economics and civics education.

Posted by: Beagle at October 27, 2010 07:51 AM (sOtz/)

78 The decibel is commonly used to measure power. It's time to take it out of the acoustic and electrical world and use it to measure political power. Just to get federal spending down to a sane percentage of the GDP we need a 3 dB spending cut. Approaching constitutional limits means 10 or 20 dB cuts.

People who still want to have it all and the politicians who seek their votes won't tolerate spending cuts of those levels.

Posted by: John Galt at October 27, 2010 07:51 AM (F/4zf)

79 Speaking of polls, I have one up my ass right now.

Posted by: Greg at October 27, 2010 07:52 AM (DYJjQ)

80 Republicans striving to make Obama a one-term President would be a net positive for voters, yes?

What the hell? Republicans are the OTHER PARTY. They want to WIN ELECTIONS. Of course they want him to LOSE in 2012. He's a Democrat.

A DEMOCRAT. That is the opposite of REPUBLICAN. Republicans want to beat Democrats.

Dear Independents: They think you're stupid.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 27, 2010 07:53 AM (3wPsb)

81 McConnell shouldn't make this about Obama. It's about Obama's policies. I think the best lines right now are those that acknowledge reality. The unions in NJ think making Chris Christy a one term Governor is their most important priority. Chris Christy doesn't say that unions have to go away, he just tells them: "Theres no more money." Say it over and over again. That's the problem with McConnell, it's not that he's a RINO, it's just that he stands for Republican politics, not republican principles. If he had principles Leeza Mxyzptlk would be a total persona non grata to the Senate Republican Caucus for her perfidy.

Posted by: Minuteman at October 27, 2010 07:54 AM (264X9)

82 Krauthamer gave a very good response to this last night. He pointed out that from a legislative standpoint the only way to fulfill the mandate the public is giving the Tea Party Republicans is to hold the line for two years and then undo it all after 2012. In that spirit it is not the goal to one-term barry, but to undo the damage he has done and one-terming him is a necessary first step.

He made it sound reasonable, but I'm with Ace that this is a sketchy think to say out loud -- too prone to being cut up and then misinterpreted by the distracted masses.

Posted by: nine coconuts at October 27, 2010 07:54 AM (DHNp4)

83 "Then we can film Escape from California starring a very old Kurt Russell as Snake Plissken." Except this time Snake never even leaves the staging building. He has to get a motorized wheelchair with lasers and rocket launchers, but there is a two year waiting list under Obamacare for ambulatory medical devices and he can't afford the premiums paid to the state for his "free" Obamacare anyway, so he has to file paperwork with the sub-deputy assistant clerk for medical exemptions from the Death Panel. By the time the movie is half over he's still in line, bartering a hand grenade for one of the highly taxed adult diapers, now called "regulated incontinence medical devices." They ordinarily require prescriptions now.

Posted by: George Orwell at October 27, 2010 07:55 AM (AZGON)

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Posted by: Empire of Jeff at October 27, 2010 07:56 AM (OW0nw)

85 If "work with" is a euphemism for "not give him a single fucking thing he expects, forcing him to chain-smoke like a fiend between parties and tantrums and golfing" I'm good with that. Posted by: HeatherRadish at October 27, 2010 11:50 AM Seconded. Rush has repeatedly talked about how the GOP elite actually believe that Obama will "moderate" and want to work with Republicans after the mid-terms. Rush keeps telling them they are delusional if they think that, as there is nothing in Obama's background or his time as President which says he will "moderate". You'd think the GOP would get that through their heads after all of Obama's dumbass analogies to the car and not working with Republicans and saying they need to just shut up and sit in the back. But, that's obviously why the GOP is called "the stupid Party".

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at October 27, 2010 07:57 AM (NITzp)

86 I suspect that quite a lot of people will have the same reaction that I did to the ad. It goes through and says, "jobs, economy, taxes, education, healthcare, clean energy..." and I'm thinking, "what do all these have in common?"

Then it says, "Obama", and I go, "yep, he's the guy that's pushing the wrong side of all those issues. It'd be stupid to go out fighting on all those peripheral issues while he's still dealing out bad policy from the White House."

Posted by: cthulhu at October 27, 2010 07:57 AM (/0IOT)

87 I don't have a problem with the idea of getting rid of Obama as being the end game.

But that's not the end-game.

15% of our labor is stolen and thrown into a Ponzi scheme from which the vast majority of us will see nothing, and with no legal recourse. The very markets we rely on to enable us to survive illness and injury are distorted beyond all recognition, with prices so out of whack as to be meaningless, all for political payoff. Our culture is undermined on daily basis to numb us to the loss of our liberty and turn our children against us so as to keep the generational warfare going that feeds the "divide and conquer" strategy. We're fucking serfs, for the most part.

Obama didn't do that. He's just a symptom.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at October 27, 2010 07:57 AM (5aa4z)

88 NOOOOOO!!!!

We do what Reagan did and make the middle make the choice. Communist fuckers or Patriots. If the middle does not get it then they are not voting. You make the choice CLEAR . Communicate YOUR vision. Remember "The Great Communicator"? You do not compromise to get the middle. That is what has brought us to this!

Obama lied.

He sold Republican small Government principles to the middle and Won. HE lied. We win by be being Right not "Middle." We win by telling the truth and having honor. (calling Glen Beck...)

Posted by: catman at October 27, 2010 07:58 AM (LZS28)

Maybe it's just me, but there seems to be a profound shift in the awarness of the American voter. With the internet, folks are able to find out much more about the inner workings of Washington, as we did when we followed the ObamaCare debacle and saw just how many Dims went against the will of their constituents.

It's like opening a can of worms. Needless to say, it's not what we want. There is no fucking way that the average American can be happy with politics as it's currently being played once they know what's really going on and can hear it in the pols own words, like,"We make up the rules as we go along" and "I don't worry about the Constitution."

What we see today is nothing like Civics class.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 27, 2010 07:58 AM (3jxR/)

90
It is a pretty crappy ad, though. Ace needs to untie his panties.

Posted by: Dang Straights at October 27, 2010 07:59 AM (fx8sm)

91 McConnell shouldn't make this about Obama. It's about Obama's policies. I think the best lines right now are those that acknowledge reality. Posted by: Minuteman at October 27, 2010 11:54 AM Heck, they just need to use Obama's own words. Didn't he recently say "My name is not on the ballot, but my policies are"? Put that soundbite in every.single.ad. Obama has clearly stated that this election is about his policies. Well, the vast majority of the American public rejects his policies. In every Republican ad, there should be the soundbite from Obama and then the GOP candidate should say "There you have it. A vote for my Democrat opponent is a vote for Obama's policies. A vote for me is a vote against those policies." Very simple.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at October 27, 2010 08:00 AM (NITzp)

92 Ace needs to untie his panties.

It would be appreciated. I'm losing feeling in my hands.

Posted by: The Hobo at October 27, 2010 08:01 AM (5aa4z)

Empire of Jeff @ 87

LOL, I'll have to remember to threaten my computer with Vista next time it's acting up.

I also agree completely with the no bipartisan/compromise sentiment.

Posted by: Polliwog at October 27, 2010 08:03 AM (QULHr)

94 I think the oldGOP is going to give Obama the opportunity to move to the center; a couple of bills - float some ideas, etc. If there isn't a positive response - then it's creative destruction time.

Posted by: Jean at October 27, 2010 08:03 AM (G5WHn)

95 Ace, from a Midwest TPer (www.mosov.org), ya gotta stop worrying about this shit. After Nov. 3rd, the ballgame is so brand new to the dipshits in DC that even they will have no clue how to react to it.

ALL IS DIFFERENT. ALL IS LIBERTY. That's what's driving us TP people, not stupid ads by communists. And don't worry, most "moderates" are no longer "moderates" they're out in the streets protesting.

Posted by: Sukie Tawdry at October 27, 2010 08:05 AM (jbCcb)

96 So, the subtext of this ad is: You're so stupid we think you'll believe the Republicans can't walk and chew gum at the same time--So vote for the Democrats!!

On another note: It's a pretty darn stupid ad.
So you bring up each of these issues that are facing the country followed by a No.
The same issues that the Dems haven't done a gotdarn thing about either?
Then you throw Mr. 38% approval obama's name in there?

You know what most voters are going to come away with? "Wait a damn tick here!! The Democrats ain't doing a damn thing about any of those things and obama is their leader." And they are going to agree with the "obama should be a one term president."

So yeah, run with that ad you stupid Dems, run it all day long and remind voters that their top issues have nothing to do with your top issues either. Go with that, give them a reason not to vote, 'cause the only people who would be receptive to this ad are the same people who would have maybe voted for you--if you had given them a reason to in the last two years, you know, actually focused on any of those issues--and you just failed to give them one good reason to vote for you!! So they are gonna sit home 'cause they'll figure from this ad that both parties suck but that the Dems suck even more.

Posted by: jimmuy at October 27, 2010 08:06 AM (Zf8or)

97 Comment of the Day - goes early to Empire of Jeff at 87

Posted by: Jean at October 27, 2010 08:06 AM (aemFw)

58 So which is the real gregtroll?

The one with hair growing on his palms.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at October 27, 2010 08:13 AM (OBDWE)

99 1/25/10: "I'd rather be a really good one-term president than a mediocre two-term president," he told ABC's "World News" anchor Diane Sawyer in an exclusive interview today. http://tinyurl.com/2dcndt9 McConnell is simply trying to give Barry his wish. Except, perhaps, the "good ... president" part.

Posted by: Reno_Dave at October 27, 2010 08:15 AM (5TiKU)

100 88 If "work with" is a euphemism for "not give him a single fucking thing he expects, forcing him to chain-smoke like a fiend between parties and tantrums and golfing" I'm good with that.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at October 27, 2010 11:50 AM

Look at who said this: Lindsey Graham. For him "work with" is tieing up Republican options with Gangs of RINOs and Dems so that in the end the Dems always get their way. Graham has got to go!! He's worse than the Maine sisters because he always creates the loopholes for the democrats to win when the Republicans have an upper hand, without evan having to put things to a vote. I've said this before and I still believe this: if Graham can't be primaried out in SC it would be better to vote for Alvin Greene. The damage Alvin would cause would be limited, Graham can do (and does) a lot more damage on the inside. He's got to go in 2012. On November 3rd the Tea Party in SC should be starting to look at potential GOP Senatorial Primary contenders.

Posted by: Minuteman at October 27, 2010 08:15 AM (264X9)

101 if Graham can't be primaried out in SC it would be better to vote for Alvin Greene.

Too bad Greene's running against DeMint.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at October 27, 2010 08:22 AM (Vz9lf)

102 But we do have to avoid making it sound like it's all a game, as McConnell's remark can be interpreted. This is a problem because to a certain extent all longterm professional pols do look at this all as a game. A game where they can't lose. Cause hey, it's not their money. so, win some lose some. The Tea Party better be ready to hold some feet to the fire and more importantly- The Republicans better figure out a way of explaining the financial problems created by Obama and the Dims. And why cuts are necessary. And not just one way or one spokesperson- And this needs to be said pretty much everyday for the next two years. Force votes that show Obama and the Dims to be against the wishes of the American people, at least two or three times per week.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 27, 2010 08:27 AM (+kzvp)

103 This "Republicans don't care about you" crap isn't anything new. Legislated charity is the political Trojan horse. Any party not promising more free stuff (or simply criticizing insane amounts of free stuff) is easily demonized as a party that hates the Â“underprivilegedÂ”. Or, as Obama bluntly said a couple days ago, enemies that need to be punished.

Posted by: virgNever trust a Greek bearing gifts at October 27, 2010 08:31 AM (nBE5A)

104 So terribly right about the mush-head swing voters. Proudly independent. Yech.

But you gotta have them, and that means you gotta make the right kind of a kumbaya pitch.

Look how the other side tailors pitches to the audience. It ain't cynical, it's just good politics.

For an interesting read on good politics, go to Wiki and read the piece on Frank Hague, the boss of Jersey City and Newark from 1917 through 1947.

My dad was born in Jersey City the year Hague was elected mayor there in '17. When he was first able to vote, he went to the polling place and was told, "go home, you already voted, and so did your old man."

Should we be doing GOTV like that?

Is the other side doing it? While there may be some on either side, I'll be there is a whole lot more over there in D territory.

Posted by: Enemy-In-Chief at October 27, 2010 08:34 AM (4sQwu)

105 >>>Ace, from a Midwest TPer (www.mosov.org), ya gotta stop worrying about this shit. After Nov. 3rd, the ballgame is so brand new to the dipshits in DC that even they will have no clue how to react to it. See you're wrong, and will continue being wrong. In case you didn't notice, we're ahead not just because of the Tea Party. We're ahead because independents favor us by 15 or so points as well. You guys have a very bad habit of convincing yourselves that the only people who need to be on board here are the red-meat conservatives and that everyone else should just be told "This is what we're doing whether you like it or not." That attitude is not going to be helpful. Whether you like it or not there will continue being politics in politics.

Posted by: ace at October 27, 2010 08:54 AM (wACL4)

106 I do understand we cannot, ahem, placate anymore, as Chris Klein would say. We need to actually push a conservative governance. But there is a fine line between leadership and arrogance, as Obama and the Democrats just demonstrated. I am worried that we are going to make the same mistake.

Posted by: ace at October 27, 2010 09:08 AM (wACL4)

107 Making Obumble a one term president indicates that they DO care about me and this country.

Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at October 27, 2010 09:19 AM (plthz)

108 But there is a fine line between leadership and arrogance, as Obama and the Democrats just demonstrated. I am worried that we are going to make the same mistake. Exactly! I would say that the R's are making a good first step by not partying on election night like a bunch of frivolous retards(see Pelosi circa 2006). There needs to be a sense that this is a serious bunch of people attempting to solve serious problems and save the country. This will require self-control and excellent messaging. Because the Dims can easily point to whatever's being cut and cry about it. And unemployment will of necessity go up if federal government jobs are being cut. They better plan for this. If they do it will be easy to draw a stark contrast between serious patriotic Republicans and President Golfy O'Partywaffles.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 27, 2010 09:31 AM (+kzvp)

109

In case you didn't notice, we're ahead not just because of the Tea Party. We're ahead because independents favor us by 15 or so points as well.

Posted by: ace at October 27, 2010 12:54 PM (wACL4)

I have a theory. Don't know if it's right, but it's something that I have noticed over the last year or so.

Why do people identify as independents? Because they don't want to be labeled with a party ID. Recent polls have shown that, what was it, 54% of Americans identify as conservatives? If that is true, a hell of a lot of independents identify as conservatives.

Ace, do you truly believe that those 15% of independents are just middle of the roaders? I would venture to say that many independents may be further to the right than you think. I was an independent for most of my voting years until GDub's elections & Kerry and Gore, and their supporters made me want to puke.

People need to stop thinking that independents are all moderates that we need to cater to. I just don't think that's true. I think moderates just want to believe that.

Posted by: Steph at October 27, 2010 09:58 AM (ZfkPl)

110

People need to stop thinking that independents are all moderates that we need to cater to. I just don't think that's true. I think moderates just want to believe that.

Posted by: Steph at October 27, 2010 01:58 PM (ZfkPl)

This. Absolutely. We know that there is a percentage of statists that count as independents because the Democrats aren't liberal enough for them. Why wouldn't there be the same effect on the conservative side?

Posted by: Polliwog at October 27, 2010 10:55 AM (QULHr)

111 I have been saying this for a long long time. The number of actual "independents" is very very small. Ace is confusing "independents" with "undecideds". The MFM likes to make a big deal out of the independents for reasons of profit.

People who are "independents" are really just unregistered voters. They always vote for the same Party unless they have some kind of "road to Demascus" moment and they switch Parties like any other voter. But those moments are rare.

What decides elections if who gets their base to the polls to vote. That includes those so-called independents. If you run a lackluster candidate who keeps telling you that he really wants to help the other side the base will stay at home because they see no advantage to standing in a long line to vote, often in the rain, if their candidate is no different than the other.

We saw that in 2008, we saw it in previous elections.

Posted by: Vic at October 27, 2010 11:07 AM (/jbAw)

112 It's the "people who care about me" that are ruining my life with their screwball pseudo-expert-intellectual utopian collectivist Rube Goldberg schemes (elaborate shackles really). If Republicans don't care about me then they will probably take off the collectivist utopian shackles and leave me the hell alone to make my way as best I can and that's freaking AWESOME.

Posted by: cackfinger at October 27, 2010 11:17 AM (TUBcJ)

113 Repeal of the health care bill, debated live on cspan, starting on page 1. This would be a good start for conservatives to start teaching why we cannot maintain this level of spending.I believe a similar promise might have been made in a previous election.
Page by page, what the American people are promised vs. what they receive from the government.

Posted by: biscuiteater at October 27, 2010 01:43 PM (Wmowz)

114

I see we're still not done being a bunch of pussies that care about perceptions.
Yeah, that's always a winning ticket.

Posted by: bedlam at October 27, 2010 03:05 PM (b2Qrt)

115 People know instinctively how to interpret that. Obama is very bad for this country. Therefore we have to make sure he's a 1-term President. Not hard. We have to make a distinction between what the political class cares about and what people care about. People don't suddenly think, "oh, they're sabotaging our lives so Obama gets the blame". Partisans have those kind of paranoid thoughts, not people. If things were going really well and McConnell said that, then yes, it might stick as something devious. But they're not going well so people know what he means.

Posted by: Tommy V at October 27, 2010 07:50 PM (jg80P)

116

LOL, I'll have to remember to threaten my computer with Vista next time it's acting up.

I also agree completely with the no bipartisan/compromise sentiment.

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