1 Wow.  What a guy.  Always looking out for us stoooopid Americans.

2 They should be white water rafting during an oil rig explosion! FIRST!

3 Damn it!

4 He's got no less than 11 agencies and departments involved in this stupid-ass shit. Sec of Int and Ag, Administrator of the EPA, Chair of the CEQ, Depts of Defense, commerce, Housing and Urban Development, Health and Human services, Labor, transportation, education, and Management and Budget. They are going to have to start writing reports. I'm so glad our government isn't wasting our time and money.

5 The kids need the practice because they will soon be hunting (foraging) for their next meal. 

6 2 They should be white water rafting during an oil rig explosion! FIRST!

Posted by: That Strickland Douche at May 08, 2010 09:52 AM (mHQ7T)

Racist!

7 Gotta protect our phony baloney jobs. 

8 In Arizona, those children who could be playing in national parks have to worry about being killed or raped by drug smugglers.

9 It has to be difficult to be Barack Obama. Every day he looks in the mirror and says, "Damn, I have to do EVERYTHING around here!" with a big exasperated grin. `````````````````````````````` .. and I am EVERYTHING around here!" (html tags?)

10 This is to help Michelle's kids who are alleged to be getting pudgy...

11 I need to delegate EVERYTHING!"

12 Meanwhile, his fat kids get exercise, besides ballet class, when they walk to the limo, get dropped off by an ice cream parlor or pizza joint, then get back in the limo again. How they keep themselves too busy to get punished with a baby, I will never know. Shopping, I guess.

13 Tattoo De Plane, there were warnings several years ago about hiking in the remote areas of the Cherokee National Forest.  Pot growers were placing booby traps around their crops. 

14

You know, I every time I start thinking I have heard every stupid thing that these idiots in the White House can possibly say, they go and say something stupider. These guys, and especially Obama, really do live in an alternative universe.

I say "these guys" because I am really starting to think that Glen Beck is right about "Progressives".

 

15 Harrumph!

16 In fairness to Michelle's kids, it has to be strange living like they do.  No really.  Kids aren't that concerned with status, at least not the kind adults think of.  I suspect they would prefer to go to school and hang out with their friends like normal kids do. 

OTOH, Barack and Michelle would prefer it if we all had to kowtow when entering the divine presence.  Perhaps that's what all the bowing is about.  He is trying to suggest to us that this is appropriate, except, you know, deeper for him.  Tugging the forelock would be good too.  Perhaps if we brought him some of the game we killed whilst communing with nature?

17 So is he throwing open Camp David. What's the number for reservations?

18 We'll get lots of exercise dancing in the streets when you leave Office, Easy Bake.

19 Running, playing, and exhaling pollutant CO2. Nice message from the First Fraud.

20 The crazy beeyotch from the Tides Foundation (?) with her kiddie propaganda film just popped into my head...."It's the Government's job to take care of you."

21 @ Tattoo De Plane #8 No those are all shut down to americans http://www.nps.gov/orpi/planyourvisit/backcountry.htm

22

I'm a good conservative who believes in small government, but I'm concerned about the children, and government should step in.

After all, the Federal government has a responsibility to reconnect Americans, especially children, to America's rivers and waterways, landscapes of national significance, ranches, farms and forests, great parks, and coasts and beaches.

23 Hunting? Yeah, right, with a pointy stick.  No evil guns allowed.

24 Uhh, let me be clear.  As I have said before, I simply want today's children to be as athletic as I am.  Just look at my moobs - it will soon be mandatory under new FCC guidelines.

25

Mr. President,

You are not spending enough time in the oval office being the President.  Stop with the kids playing outside horseshit and secure our fucking borders.

26 In the White Mountain NF, they seem to be handling things just fine. Sure, there are areas where I wish they would manage the place differently, but it easy to spend a day hiking and see more moose than people. Maybe we should start giving Congress awards for courageous restraint.

27 22, You are joking, right?

28

Children, especially, are spending less time outside running and playing, fishing and hunting, and connecting to the outdoors just down the street or outside of town.

How does Toonces know this?  Isn't he supposed to be dealing more effectively with issues concerning adults?

29

Just remember, I've got my eye on you.

30 You can see a moose in the White House too.

31 It has to be difficult to be Barack Obama. Every day he looks in the mirror and says, "Damn, I have to do EVERYTHING around here!" with a big exasperated grin.

He thinks he's doing us mortals a favor by descending from Mt Olympus and telling us how to live.  Typical narcissist behavior.

Children, especially, are spending less time outside running and playing, fishing and hunting, and connecting to the outdoors just down the street or outside of town.

I remember that rumor in March that the Obama Administration was going to try to ban sport fishing.  Dunno if that's going to go anywhere, but I still got my fishing license out of spite.  Suck it, hippies!  BTW, shouldn't the animal rights and Gaia-worshiping (BIRM) groups be up in arms about this statement?  I mean, supporting red-state activities by empathizing fish and hunting.  Has this git ever done either?

32 We'll be outside when we're storming the fucking Bastille.

33 29

Just remember, I've got my eye on you.

Posted by: Smokey the Czar at May 08, 2010 10:09 AM (AdWfZ)

Only YOU can prevent pudgy kids...

34 the Federal government...has a responsibility to... econnect Americans, especially children, to America's rivers and waterways, landscapes of national significance, ranches, farms and forests, great parks, and coasts and beaches.

Um, no.  No it doesn't.  It has a responsibility to "establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity," and no, "promote the general Welfare" doesn't mean what you think it means.

35 I agree with Obama in principle. Kids and adults do need to get out more and people need to take advantage of the great parks and outdoor adventures our country offers. Part of the American spirit is our sense of adventure and conquering the unknown. However, should there be a government agency to enforce it? Of course not. Is it okay for the President to encourage us to do so, of course it is.

36 Mr. President, does Michelle wear boxers or briefs?

37 For doing it wrong someone is supplying his sorry as with a lot of luxury.

38 Barack must be thinking about all the murders happening everyday on the southside: This is his kind of town, Chicago is His kind of town, Chicago is His kind of people too People who, shoot at you And each time he roams, Chicago is Calling him home, Chicago is Why he grins like a clown It's his kind of town

39 L'etat, c'est moi! - BHO

40 Kind of puts me in mind of the tin-pot commies of the world sending the 'intellectuals' into the fields to 'reconnect' with the earth.

41 36 Mr. President, does Michelle wear boxers or briefs pup tents?

Posted by: Helen Thomas at May 08, 2010 10:14 AM (ITzbJ)

FIFY.

42

Each president recites the following oath, in accordance with Article II, Section I of the U.S. Constitution:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Nothing in there about promoting the use of parks.

43 And taking ski vacations during a Christmas bombing attempt!

A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have. And a government that sends you outdoors to play isn't a government at all; it's "Mommy". And Mommy shouldn't have her own mint and nuclear weapons. At least, that's what Daddy says.

44 #5 is right. He's probably just prepping us for his new "American Clean-Up" Corps"--a national group for boys and girls ages 8-18 to encourage citizen clean up of national parks. Participation is mandatory and a opre-requisite for entrance into college.

45 As libs see it, one of the main priorities of the federal government is to act as a jobs program.  Obama dreams of an expanded service corps(e) of twenty and thirty somethings performing low-skill tasks at a high-skill cost to taxpayers.  If this is implemented, it will resemble some disgusting cross between a field-trip centric Head Start for middle-schoolers and a roadside trash pickup. 

46 Blasted sock.  Not a fan of DMB.  After all, you can't spell "dumb" without "dmb".

If Obama is an Olympian, what stooge does Gibbsy play?

47 Good morning...but I digress.

48

36 Mr. President, does Michelle wear boxers or briefs?

Commando.

49

>>  econnect Americans, especially children, to America's rivers and waterways..

 

I'd keep em away from the Cumberland and the Ohio for a while.  Connecting with them right now is pretty dangerous.

50

I read this and I am pretty pissed.

Its bad enough he can't leave us alone, now he wants to go after my kids?!?!?

Why the fuck can't he just leave us alone! Makes me embarassed to be even an ex-democrat!

51

Children, especially, are spending less time outside running and playing, fishing and hunting, and connecting to the outdoors just down the street or outside of town.

Dear Mr President (You ignorant fuckin fool),

Why don't you bring your happy ass out here to Oregon and take a nice hike in the Mount Hood National Forest.............

.........I want to teach my kid how to hunt.

52 Sarah Palin totally lives in this guy's head rent free. There are numerous times Obama supporters have fervently wished this guy seemed human. These date nights, vacations and fluff pieces are meant to render him accessible, but he is a stupid ass who bullshitted his way through school and life. He used and sold drugs and hung out with losers and creeps. Even growing up in Indonesia and Hawaii, he seems like a slacker.

Contrast this with Sarah Palin who was a point guard for the championship state women's basketball team, a pageant contestant, a young mother who had to pay her own way through multiple schools and who worked her way up in politics until she became the first female VP nominee of the Republican party -- that's inspirational. That's true grit.

She is a lover of the outdoors. She hunts her own food. She shares power with her husband in a very modern relationship. She has a large, rowdy and lovable family, despite their problems which most Americans can wholly relate to. Obama envies this so much. His supporters were upset that Sarah Palin got the cover of the US Weekend Mother's Day issue.

Palin makes no apologies for the impact her frenetic lifestyle and fame has had on her children. “They’re quite independent, and they’re thick-skinned,” she says proudly. “Those are some attributes that any parent would want for their kids.

“We can see the blessings in every step that we’ve taken and in everything that has happened to us. There’s a been a tradeoff [but] Todd and I are strong believers at the end of the day things do work out for good.”

Speaking of day’s end, it’s still Piper’s birthday. For her real party the next day, Track’s girlfriend will teach her and her friends a dance. Plus, Palin says hopefully: “Her older cousin, who’s a little hunter, could teach the girls how to target-practice with the BB gun.”

53 Let me add some historical perspective - Way back in the dark ages starting in about 1962 or '63 when some bureaucrats thought that Russian kids were stronger than American kids, physical fitness became the rage and Phys Ed in high school became boot camp.  I remember doing 85 sit ups in two minutes, running 660 yards, pull ups, etc, and being graded on it. The dark ages, when dodge ball was played and the goal was to make it sting.  I wish I could live 1964 over again.

Oh, wait, there was a Democrat in office then too.

54 Just read that the USA's Sunday edition will be featuring Sarah Palin.  Will be buying that paper.  Even my former liberal wife is now respecting Sarah Palin.

55 Can anyone imagine Oblahblah out in the woods hunting? 

56 the POS Messaih hunting?? seriously??  He would be hiding behind the trees..... or Me-chelle's belts.

57 Can anyone imagine Oblahblah out in the woods hunting? Posted by: Truck Monkey at May 08, 2010 10:24 AM (yQWNf) It is my understanding that Dick Cheney dreams about hunting with Obama every night?

58 @ brodie

Unbelievable, and thanks for the link.

"Due to an increase in illegal border activity, all backcountry areas are closed indefinitely to both hiking and overnight camping. Please check with the staff at the Kris Eggle Visitor Center for current information. 

We anticipate this will be a temporary closure, though we are not certain when we can expect areas to reopen."

"Sorry, folks. Park's closed."

59 55 Can anyone imagine Oblahblah out in the woods hunting? 

Posted by: Truck Monkey at May 08, 2010 10:24 AM (yQWNf)

Can anyone imagine Odumbass having a pair of testicles?

60 52 Sarah Palin totally lives in this guy's head rent free. There are numerous times Obama supporters have fervently wished this guy seemed human. These date nights, vacations and fluff pieces are meant to render him accessible, but he is a stupid ass who bullshitted his way through school and life. He used and sold drugs and hung out with losers and creeps. Even growing up in Indonesia and Hawaii, he seems like a slacker.

Contrast this with Sarah Palin who was a point guard for the championship state women's basketball team, a pageant contestant, a young mother who had to pay her own way through multiple schools and who worked her way up in politics until she became the first female VP nominee of the Republican party -- that's inspirational. That's true grit.

She is a lover of the outdoors. She hunts her own food. She shares power with her husband in a very modern relationship. She has a large, rowdy and lovable family, despite their problems which most Americans can wholly relate to. Obama envies this so much. His supporters were upset that Sarah Palin got the cover of the US Weekend Mother's Day issue.

Palin makes no apologies for the impact her frenetic lifestyle and fame has had on her children. “They’re quite independent, and they’re thick-skinned,” she says proudly. “Those are some attributes that any parent would want for their kids.

“We can see the blessings in every step that we’ve taken and in everything that has happened to us. There’s a been a tradeoff [but] Todd and I are strong believers at the end of the day things do work out for good.”

Speaking of day’s end, it’s still Piper’s birthday. For her real party the next day, Track’s girlfriend will teach her and her friends a dance. Plus, Palin says hopefully: “Her older cousin, who’s a little hunter, could teach the girls how to target-practice with the BB gun.”

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 08, 2010 10:21 AM (mHQ7T)

 

Yeah, but she is ditzy. Well, I suppose that could be called a redeeming virtue.

61 Anyway, I would love to see Obama try to shoot a shotgun for the very first time... Posted by: Dave C at May 08, 2010 10:26 AM (qmecx) Well I am sure he did when he was at boot camp during....oh yeah, he never served. Never mind.

62 It's weird how socialist nannys are always telling others what is right for them.

63

Can anyone imagine Odumbass having a pair of testicles?

I don't think that Squatch lets Barry play with them much.

64 Please go deep into the woods. We need to test those tracking chips we put in your corn flakes.

65
I want politicians who will fight to preserve my right to live an imperfect life.

66

can someone confirm, the Sarah Palin interview with her family, that's in the USA Today's newspaper for Sunday, is this correct?

Thanks.

67 I want you to be as happy as cattle.

68 Dear Mr. President-- due to "money crisis", our District has "encouraged" our various unions to accept a sudden five-day furlough for this year, and SEVEN days next year.  So you can rest easy-- the twelve days being removed from the school year when pudgy children would be trapped inside studying history, improving reading skills, and working out y=2x +3 on the coordinate plane will now be free to hunt and fish (provided they don't live in South Central, where I teach). 

Meanwhile, I shall be missing (in June) one day's pay, and (in July) FOUR days of pay.  My landlord will NOT be adjusting my rent to meet this lack of money, nor will my creditors.  So I guess I'd better find a way to hunt and fish for myself, as I shall be needing a secondary source of nutrition.

Sincerely,

Cynthia

69 @43 a government that sends you outdoors to play isn't a government at all; it's "Mommy".
Exactly.  Well put. 

Related, HA has a link to the new ad by the governor of Arizona, showing Barry smugly talking about the new immigration bill.  The ad is devastatingly good.  At the end, there is a message with the message: "Do your job".  I think that is a great message for the entire campaign.  You didn't do your job, so your services are no longer required."    Instead of closing the border, you were worrying about whether our kids were being raised properly by us. 

70 I can't disagree with his position on this but I wonder how much time his kids are outside playing?

71 64 It's weird how socialist nannys are always telling others what is right for them.

As they tell people that they just want to be "free" and then they complain about how the conservatives want to "control their lives".

Cognitive dissonance, a big trait for the libs.

72 Looks like they badly tries to triangulate Palin. "Hunting fishing".

73 72 I can't disagree with his position on this but I wonder how much time his kids are outside playing?

I wonder how much time the First Wookie spends outside playing.

The hips don't lie, Michelle - you don't do a lot of running.

74

what is the link for Jan brewer's relection website? I'd like to donate some $$ her way. When I searched, I am mainly getting her AZ site, not her candidate relection site.

75 Um, I won. You and your kids belong to me. How's my ass taste?

76
So that's what Odumbass was doing tromping through the woods with Sasquatch a couple of weeks ago.

This douchbag does something and then wants everyone to follow him.

Hey President Jug Ears,  I can, and have found the woods all by myself.  So fuck off.

77 @ nevergiveup: Well I am sure he did when he was at boot camp during....oh yeah, he never served. Never mind.

Well, Preznit Cluesearcher never served in OUR military. There is after all that unexplained and somewhat mysterious trip to Pakistan all those years ago... something about "tolley bahn" comes to mind here for some reason.

78 Where does I get my Presidential Fitness Award?

79 The Feds should shut up and their job. Easy Bake should shut up and quit. I'd rather watch Biden chase soap bubbles for 3 years.

80

68

can someone confirm, the Sarah Palin interview with her family, that's in the USA Today's newspaper for Sunday, is this correct?

Thanks.

usaweekend.com

81 So, when will toonces friends stop trying to sue the Boy Scouts out of existence? It would seem that an organization that gets Scouts to camp out 1,000,000 nights per year would be a good thing, no?

82 Here's Gov Brewer's Ad

83

 

Mr Obama ...  "hunting" for your ball on a golf course does not count as real hunting ... 

This guy who by all accounts has never spent a night away from home without room service is going to lecture Americans about getting outdoors ?

Even when golfing he looks like a 12 year old in his shorts.  Heh Mr. President, long pants on the golf course sir.  He wouldn't be allowed on my old home course in shorts.

84 Doesn't this clash with the new proposal several months ago that would have banned fishing?

85 what he meant was, getting out of the house to the great out-of doors, by long streams of words , fishing for votes, and hunting republicans. No mountain is to high to climb for him.

86

Jack Links Beef Jerky presents "Campin' with Sasquatch"

Starring: Michelle and Barack Obama

87 addendum: for you to help him to win idealogically- nationally

88 Jeez, I wake up with a slight hangover to this bullshit from President American Idol?

Thanks 52%, you suck donkey balls.

89 Where does I get my Presidential Fitness Award? Posted by: Governator Awesome at May 08, 2010 10:39 AM (iSP11) The same agency where you apply to have Obama pay your bills.

90

Governer Brewer's campaign website.

 

 

91 Does Obama believe there's anything that the gov't doesn't have a responsibility for?

/Rhetorical question.

92 Fortunately, I have just the solution: homelessness! Homelessness will re-connect you with the very environment that I've read so much about.

93 Hunting Licenses shall be issued at once.

The Special Permit "RT" Stamp can be had for the season with no limit for the low low price of $5.00 US.

That is all.

94 How are kids supposed to hunt without guns? Fist to antler combat? Slingshot?

95

#27: You are joking, right?

Yes, I'm joking.

(I just can't help myself.)

96 96 Hunting Licenses shall be issued at once.

So here's where I can get me a hunting license?

97 84 Here's Gov Brewer's Ad     I love that ad.  It pokes a finger right in DC's eyeballs.

98

35 ......However, should there be a government agency to enforce it? Of course not. Is it okay for the President to encourage us to do so, of course it is.

Trouble is, for would-be dictators like Ofuckwit, "encourage" is a code word for "enforce".   He's promoted various youth corps(e) ideas his entire political life, and whoever said he would try to make "community service" a condition for college and/or college loans (now a government monopoly)  has got it exactly right.

 

99 Not smoking or hangin w/ terrorist.

100

ok I think I understand this.  All you overweight non persons of color aka Typical White persons should jump in your carbon spewing SUV and drive 50 miles or more to a park instead of  working  looking for a job, or attending one of those stupid Tea Parties  Tea Bagger Parties.  Don't forget to take your racist progeny with you as well.  Teach them to worship Gaia.  Note this will not absolve them of their white guilt.  Only by renouncing their non Democrap parents and their oppressive teachings can the healing truly begin.  Thus spake Barry Sotero Barack Hussein Obama.

 

 

101 grow your own garden, by the stream , where you will fish for your food, and don't whine about the cardboard box, it makes it easier to move when others are hunting for you.

102 We can get lots of exercise and lots of time outdoors building a certain very long Fence in a certain location.

103 Missing the point, this gives an excuse to create a National Security Force that is as well funded and equipped as the US Military to help find all the missing campers.

104

105
We can get lots of exercise and lots of time outdoors building a certain very long Fence in a certain location.

Around DC.

105 FUBU

106

hey? is this like Brussel's , where they want to pay for us po folk to take a vacation?

woo hoo!

it's a human right ya know..

107 Hunting and fishing for healthcare opponents...

108

This is the result of the Obama Nanny State mentality:

Jolly Rancher lands Texas third-grader in detention for a week... http://cli.gs/XB9rX

109

conscious and pressing 1 for english

I can't believe you should be so racist as to insist that English be #1.

 

So...I guess the Prez is going to tell us about his support for the Boy Scouts any time now, right?

 

And how many jobs in the administration are still unfilled?

110 Barry also had this to say today:

WASHINGTON – The new health care law already is helping millions of people through tax breaks for small businesses and assistance for families with young adults, President Barack Obama said Saturday.

In his weekly radio and Internet address, Obama promoted his top domestic priority, which passed Congress with no Republican votes and continues to stir strong emotions nationwide. He acknowledged that many provisions will not take effect for years. But he said others are doing some families good now.

Nothing has taken affect but millions are doing better as a result of it. Barry truly is a miracle worker. And of course no one in the MFM would even think of questioning Dear Leader on this.

111

 Concious's Link :: ORCHARD, Texas Â– A third-grader at Brazos Elementary was given a weekÂ’s detention for possessing a Jolly Rancher.

School officials in western Fort Bend County are defending the seemingly harsh sentence. The schoolÂ’s principal and superintendent said they were simply complying with a state law that limits junk food in schools

112 So when does he present his detailed plans for HuzzeinJugend Obama Scouts.

113 "Hey, which national park do they grow the arugula in?"

114

Stop being such a fucking nanny, Barry.  I don't need you to tell me how to live, how to raise kids, how to go outside.

I am a woman as is your wife.  One of us isn't a big lardass.  Yeah, that's right, I'm not.  And when I wear hiking boots, it ain't for a photo op.  It's to take my skinny ass up a fucking mountain.

Screw you.

115 Concious's Link :: ORCHARD, Texas – A third-grader at Brazos Elementary was given a week’s detention for possessing a Jolly Rancher. School officials in western Fort Bend County are defending the seemingly harsh sentence. The school’s principal and superintendent said they were simply complying with a state law that limits junk food in schools Posted by: granny willow riffin on barry at May 08, 2010 10:54 AM (ax2VZ) Yeah I saw that on TV. But to be honest the mother is a fat shit and if the kid eats like mom, she might grow into one also. Just saying.

116

I am a woman as is your wife.

Ha ha ha ha ha.  Good one. 

117 They're going to send me to Camp...

Gal, gool.....gulag, that's it.

118 "No tendency is quite so strong in human nature as the desire to lay down rules of conduct for other people".  William H. Taft

I suspect that this desire is a lot stronger in the progressive/liberal mind; it is almost a compulsion.

119 I like the cut of this guy's jib. Does he have an opinion on salt or trans- fats?

120 I'm off.. A census working knocked on my door and told me I wasn't getting enough exercise. They're going to send me to Camp... name escapes me now but they assured me that the work there will be it's own reward.

Posted by: Dave C at May 08, 2010 10:55 AM (qmecx) gosh darn it! why didn't you pull out your arugula in solidarity they would have left with a smile! of hope for you.

121 First!

122

I suspect that this desire is a lot stronger in the progressive/liberal mind; it is almost a compulsion.

There is no compulsion in Liblam.

123 125 First!

Only 124 comments late, .

OT, but terrible - NEW YORK CITY (BNO NEWS) -- Dozens of people were believed to be injured after the Staten Island Ferry crashed into a terminal on Saturday morning, emergency officials said.

124 These dirty socks vex me!

125 America had better get the sense and the courage to throw this blithering idiot out of the White House, or there won't be anything left of this nation.  Nothing.

It's just that simple.

126 I see people have already mentioned it, but I cracked up when I saw Obama advocating that children hunt more. I'd love to see him run on that platform.... "Hey, all you Libs out there, go buy little Susie or Johnny a rifle or you're not sufficiently connected to the environment!!." Would heads explode on the Left, or would they just go ahead and do it because Emperor O. said so?

127 "30 You can see a moose in the White House too." The FLOTUS grazing in the arugula garden.

128 God he's annoying.  He's a male shrew. 

129 #115  Obama Scouts will be formed with a big announcement from the First Wookie.  That is probably why she has been touting this "childhood obesity" thing everywhere.  

Probably a fancy roll-out with some Kennedys,  Governator, a few Hollywood stars, and assorted fitness fanatics.

You will get a personally signed thank you from Obama when you accomplish your fitness goals,  which include not watching television (especially Fox News), walking 5 miles per day in your neighborhood (knocking on doors to promote Obama and his policies) and riding a bicycle 10 miles (in place to power your home,  especially once Cap and Trade passes).  

Uniforms will consist of baseball caps (worn backwards), surplus Obama t-shirts left over from the campaign, and flashy wide belts worn just under the rib cage.

130

They're going to send me to Camp...

... Star. Camp Star. Let Mitchie and Shane and the rest of them do their song-and-dance numbers across the lake at Camp Rock. We're bringing back hardcore 80s metal, if I have any say in the matter. Stuff like Saxon and Iron Maiden and Michael Shenker Group. No more rules. It's us against them.

We're blow the doors right off their cabins.

131

thank you.  Will be donating some $$ to Gov Brewer right now.

good afternoon all.

132 I wouldn't have such a problem with my kids being out all day running and playing if I didn't have to worry about the illegals in white vans trolling my neighborhood looking for little boys to abduct.

133 Children, welcome to the United States Civilian Corpse. I'm Commander-in-Chief Obama. I'm your CO. Before we proceed any further, we gotta get something straight. Your mamas are not here to take care of you now. It's just you, me, and Uncle Saul. And before I leave you, you're gonna find out that me and Uncle Saul are one in the same. When I tell you move, you'll move fast. When I tell you to jump, you're gonna say, "How high?" And make no mistake. I don't care where you come from, I don't care what color you are, I don't care how smart you are, I don't care how dumb you are, 'cause I'm gonna teach every last one of you how to eat, sleep, walk, talk, shoot, shit like a United States civilian. Understand?

134 I don't care where you come from, I don't care what color you are, I don't care how smart you are, I don't care how dumb you are, 'cause I'm gonna teach every last one of you how to eat, sleep, walk, talk, shoot, shit like a United States civilian. Understand?

Posted by: Father Barack at May 08, 2010 11:08 AM (swuwV)

I beg to differ on that one.

135 138 No Whites Need Apply

136 Will someone with a public megaphone please start stating the facts about The Precedent - that he is an affirmative action retard with delusions of vengeful grandeur? 

We have to have people speaking the truth about this git before America can hope to even start pulling out of this death spiral into hell.

Every time some idiot like Krauthammer says that the Indonesian Imbecile is intelligent, he should be shocked until he starts foaming at the mouth.  For the sake of America, this is the sort of thing that is needed ... for our survival.

137

DaveinTexas just tweeted: With a brain a third the size of us. It's science.  http://is.gd/c0aLU

Sorry, men ARE more brainy than women (and more stupid too!) It's a simple scientific fact, says one of Britain's top dons

138
Obama meant hunting for the truth.

Stupid heads.

139 119.........The camps are comimg.....

140 Field Trip!

American things like da far lefties do,
Hunting on bicycles, two by two.

141 Yeah I saw that on TV. But to be honest the mother is a fat shit and if the kid eats like mom, she might grow into one also. Just saying. Posted by: nevergiveup Not my problem, not the government's problem.

142 But does anybody here really believe Barry wrote that memorandum? I have my doubts he even read it, I believe he would have said take hunting out of it. Its still progressive nanny state crap and Barry still sucks and wants to turn us into a giant Venezuela but I doubt Barry COULD write a coherent memorandum.

143 They're going to send me to Camp...

The plan is to send all the Teabaggers* to camps**



  * used in similar fashion to Third Reich's term, Jew
** used in similar fashion to Third Reich's term, Final Solution

144

Sorry, men ARE more brainy than women (and more stupid too!) It's a simple scientific fact, says one of Britain's top dons

Posted by: conscious and pressing 1 for english at May 08, 2010 11:13 AM (YVZlY)

What's interesting is that there were a few women who came close to winning Fields Medals over that time (and a couple working at that level before the Fields was around) but there are other groups that have never even come close.   Not even within earshot of that sort of work.  But, shhhhh.

145  Concious's Link :: ORCHARD, Texas Â– A third-grader at Brazos Elementary was given a weekÂ’s detention for possessing a Jolly Rancher.

It's about junk food? Here I thought the school officials thought it was as bad as wearing a flag shirt. "Jolly Rancher" is racist in a border state.

146

the Federal government...has a responsibility to... econnect Americans, especially children, to America's rivers and waterways, landscapes of national significance, ranches, farms and forests, great parks, and coasts and beaches.

I still don't get this...WTF does (re)connect to a river or farm or ranch mean?  So you go there, walk around or jump in(not that I would do that in some of the rivers) or trespass on private property(I know places where you'd get shot for that)and then what?    The problem with Obama is he really doesn't know that many Americans already spend time outdoors, either working or for leisure., And instead of getting suggestions from organizations like the Scouts or 4-H, he makes up some stupid government plan . 

147 morally better? division: seperating americans into ethnic, gender, religious  groups for votes? maligning half of america to cow dissenters? making everyone else comply to food:  salt, sugar, air, water, gas, windmills for money for their groupies? talking  crap about the Fat cats , while coercing fatcats, for money anf goods? ?

148 Fuck you, Barry, my life, my body, my business.

149 When I was a kid, the Boy Scouts got me outdoors...  Oh, shit.  The ACLU is knocking on my door.

150 The name of the new government program?  Obama Jugend.

151 137

You left out the um's and ah's.

152 cross-posted from the fat guys thread with the swords

a video of South African cape buffalo hunters.

http://tinyurl.com/yfj5xlk

a family of guides gets into a bit of trouble with a cape buffalo and one son has to stab it to death with a cold steel OSS knife as it is goring his dad

at the end he says he loves the outdoors

153

What's up?  Just got back from the morning rounds of chores -- our mare is due to foal at anytime; the kids just got a new pony to ride for a couple of months.

We've been up since 6 am. (get to sleep in on weekends)...oh, wait, I'm supposed to send my kids out into the great outdoors more?  Let me run down the street and see if I can catch up with my son -- he just headed out the door to play with his friends.

**yeah, this is sarcasm -- if my kids were outdoors any more than they are already, they'd live in a tent (which just might happen if this economy doesn't pick up).  Hey, fearless leader, I'd be more than happy to do more outdoorsy things with my kids, but I need more money (ehem, fix the economy so I can get a good job that pays enough so we have time and money for such things) and I need to be able to concealed carry (so my kids and I don't get jumped, by people or varmints) -- do that, and I'd be more than happy to do more hunting, fishing, horse riding, kayaking, hiking, and camping than we already do.

154
Support Our Troops
_{We'll Need Them To
Overthrow Our Government}

That's a bumper sticker you might still see in places like Cambridge, Massachusetts. Lefties were putting that sticker on their cars when Bush was president and dissent sedition was the highest form of patriotism.

155 This effete sissy just assumes because he and his friends have never done any of these things no one else has either.

156 Remember Michelle Obama's campaign promise "Obama's going to force you...."?

157
Another popular Lefty sticker was this one:

When We Get Done Bringing Democracy to Iraq
Let's Bring it Here

158 "The problem with Obama is he really doesn't know that many Americans already spend time outdoors, either working or for leisure..." I used to love when some of my pale, never-step-a-foot-in-the-woods, enviro-Lib friends would claim that something or another I said meant I "didn't care about the environment". I work outdoors about 50% of the time, I fish whenever I can, I'm even growing (trying to grow) a big veggie garden this year. Oh, and my hobby/PT job is tending to a couple horses. I'd usually just stare at them until they realized that they knew all these things about me already. Then they'd weakly change the meme to evil oil companies or some other garbage.

159 The last time Obama set foot in a forest was when he discovered his wife.

160

Maybe somebody already noticed, but for this hothouse orchid to be urging anybody to go hunting and fishing is way, way out of character.  I know, he just reads it off the teleprompter, or he endorses a press release without reading it, but for cryinging out loud; taken at his word, he wants the Federal government to make people into more-observant bitter clingers.

-------------------------------------------------------------

Guide: Mr. Obama, I recommend you carry this 7 mm magnum on the hunt. Has a lot of reach without too much recoil. Here, heft it a moment and see if you like it. If you like it, we can go out to the range for some practice.

Mr. Obama: Uh, uh, ah.... (urinates in pants).

 

 

161 @141
Rising within the academic ranks is not dependent on intelligence. 

Intelligence is a major (but not only) factor in success in school, but success in school is not sufficient to become a full professor.  (Case in point: Barack Obama.)  Basically, how you did in school gets you access to PhD programs and postdoctoral appointments... that's it. 

The fact is that folks who become full professors or department chairs or deans or whatever are not necessarily the smartest ones in their department.  They write the best grant proposals, play academic politics well, work hard, and in some cases get lucky in their research discoveries. 

There's a drop off in women going from PhD programs and postdoctoral programs to assistant professors to associate professors to full professors.  I've sat on admissions committees for graduate school - there is not a bias to admitting female students even in quantitative sciences (like biophysics).  Similarly, with the exception of a pre-disposition to hire a minority person who has an NSF postdoctoral fellowship (and is therefore "free" labor for a lab), I've never seen any (science) professor take someone into their lab based on anything other than qualifications.  There's simply not enough room in most people's labs to accommodate someone because of their gender.  I have, however, sat on faculty search committees where the possibility that a woman candidate might have kids came up in discussion.  So, too, have I sat on committees where the decision was made to look for a senior hire, knowing full-well that that would limit the number of female candidates in the pool. 

There's also an inherent bias in the don's argument - namely, that performance in mathematics or the physical sciences are the best determinants of intelligence.  There are many types of intelligence. 

162 #151  I still don't get this...WTF does (re)connect to a river or farm or ranch mean?

He means it in an abstract way - us fat, lazy Americans are spending too much time on the 'puter, playing video games, looking at "teabagging" sites, Gaia knows what else.  Thus, we need His guidance to go outside and find out all these wonderful things outside.

163 Everything is the responsibility of the federal government, didn't you know that? You can ask Chucky Schumer, he will agree.

164 4 out of the 5 voices in my head say we're basically fucked.

165 The problem with Obama is that he's president.  If he'd have stayed in Chicago, he wouldn't be bothering me with this stupid shit.  If I needed someone to tell me what to do, I'd have stayed in the Marine Corps. 

Thank you, 52.  Now stay home and let the adults clean up your mess.

166 I wake up every morning and ask myself 'What Would Obama Do?' WWOD.  I am going to make some braclets.  They will sell themselves.

167 Like President Prissypants has ever fished or hunted in his miserable life.  Jackass.

168 #64  The last time Obama set foot in a forest was when he discovered his wife.

Lol.

169 Perhaps Obama could get out and see the American river and waterway that has flooded Nashville.

170 166
Rising within the academic ranks is not dependent on intelligence. 

Don't I know it.  They let me in graduate school after all, .

There's a drop off in women going from PhD programs and postdoctoral programs to assistant professors to associate professors to full professors...

Thanks for your insight on this from the inside.  There's another possible reason for this - there's simply way too many graduate students and post docs (so I've heard) for academia to take them all.  And I mean on several orders of magnitude too much. 

171 We sure could use some help with our yard work today.  Wonder if Barry has ever pushed a lawn mower or weeded, or trimmed shrubs in his life?  Right.

172 trimmed shrubs in his life? Nah ain't gonna go there

173
I know you're being facetious, but, it's an interesting question. When we wonder what a particular person would do in a situation, we reference their past actions in similar situations.

Obama has never done anything. Other than being a rabble-rousing speechifier, Obama has never been successful in the private sector; and he's never resolved a crisis, not even a small one.

174

OT  Lefty midget tv host further beclowns himself regarding global warmering, Brazil and George Will.

Facts are hard.

175 >>>Basically, how you did in school gets you access to PhD programs and postdoctoral appointments... that's it. 

Not really.  The objective fields, such as math and the hard sciences, are not open to the sort of political games you speak of.  A proof is a proof is a proof.  Of course, there is politics involved in departments deciding which concentrations they want to fund in their staffs, but that still would not restrict a truly gifted mathematician or physicist from getting a job - and certainly not keep anyone out of a PhD program. 

Sadly, there is the politics of affirmative action that does restrict getting on faculty for some (and brings in many who are incompetent and not up to snuff in any way) but that is the opposite effect of what the article was addressing.  We all know that affirmative action kills whatever field it's applied to.  Luckily, its application to objective science is limited, at best.

The more subjective fields tend to be crap-filled, anyway.  Half of them shouldn't even exist.  They are there only to throw bones to dumb people, allowing them to think they are "academics" and "intellectuals", which is a joke.

>>>There's also an inherent bias in the don's argument - namely, that performance in mathematics or the physical sciences are the best determinants of intelligence.  There are many types of intelligence. 

Posted by: Y-not at May 08, 2010 11:36 AM (Kn9r7)

There are not "many types of intelligence".  There are many types of talents and abilities, but "intelligence" comprises the specific talents, or abilities, to think logically and solve logical puzzles, to identify logical patterns, and to abstract and formalize those patterns.  The Gartner idea of the seven intelligences is affirmative action crap to make unintelligent people feel better about themselves by calling other attributes, "intelligence".  They are not.

176

Don't worry, all will be well once Obama federalizes the Boy Scouts after they are in bankurptcy.  Scouts and Scoutesses will be used to fill the ranks of the Civillian Defence Corps.

WRT to Brodie's link to the National Park Services web site for the Organ Pipes National Monument -

htttp://www.nps.gov/orpi/planyourvisit/backcountry.htm

"Due to an increase in illegal border activity, all backcountry areas are closed indefinitely to both hiking and overnight camping. Please check with the staff at the Kris Eggle Visitor Center for current information.  We anticipate this will be a temporary closure, though we are not certain when we can expect areas to reopen."

This is on the Mexico/Arizona border. I thought Jamet Napolitano said the situation on the border was better than it has ever been.

177

163  The veggie eating hippies coming out and trying their hand at a horse drawn plow at the annual pioneer days...I've mentioned that story before; it fits well here.

I haven't met one that can seriously handle the great outdoors for long (and that's with the comforts of a tent or  RV and a cooler full of food...my dad's idea of a hunting trip would kill them).

The sad part is: I'd love to see kids outside more and out in nature -- hiking, camping, hunting, fishing, horse riding, dog sleds...all that stuff is good for you on every level: physically, mentally, emotionally.  But how freaking hypocritical: most people can't do that stuff anymore thanks to eco-nut hippies, or a lousy economy that keeps you chained to your job, or it's too expensive to keep a horse or even a decent sized dog, and the land just isn't available anymore (thanks to urban sprawl, which is largely the result of stupid liberals wanting to get "out into the countryside"...whereby they turn it into a subdivision); plus multiculturalism has done it's part to destroy our image of ourselves as frontiersmen, pioneers, and replaced it with a glorification of an urban existence.

And now this?  After all this time of cutting away at the (very American) desire to be out in nature doing active things, and now we're being ordered to, scolded?  Go to hell!

178 ++

[children should be doing fun stuff like hunting & fishing]

GO SARAH!!

==

179

Something to start your Saturday out right:

http://tinypic.com/r/a02tc/5

180 Yes, we should be helping out children reconnect to Mother Nature. But I have a question. Is he talking about the Mother Nature that makes rainbows, pretty wildflowers and cute little bunnies? Or is he referring the the vengeful, bloodthirsty Mother Nature that tries to kill humans every day with tornadoes, floods, hurricanes, earthquakes, wildfires, tsunamis, grizzly bears, mountain lions, wolves, coyotes, rattlesnakes, deer on the expressway, rabies, malaria, yellow fever, lyme disease, brown recluse spiders, coral snakes, gila monsters, barracuda, sharks, orcas....etc, etc, etc.

181 "the Federal government...has a responsibility to... econnect Americans, especially children..."

Constitutional scholar, huh? OK, I call bullshit again. This poseur was no scholar. We know this, and every day that goes by, Obama proves it again.

This is a guy who wrote about crunching figs. That was the beginning and end of his original scholarship. Everything else is empty pablum via blackberry or TOTUS. I wonder if he can even spell "Constitution."

182 This is just another way to funnel money to those "partners" who helped him get elected. Building the permanent majority. I can't wait to see Bertha Lewis in fishing gear!

All of those other private-public partnerships worked out so well. What could go wrong?*

*Fannie, Freddie...

183 I'm totally down with Barky on this.  He's certainly doing his part, and if we just do ours, by the end of the year hundreds of liberals and RINOs will be able to get out of the office and enjoy the outdoors all they want.  Yay!!

184 Tom Friedman would approve.  After all, he digs the hell out of the idea of an ordered society. 

185 lless time outside running and playing, fishing and hunting, and connecting to the outdoors He knows whereof he speaks. When you have this disconnect with nature, this total lack of physicality, you end up with a society of feebs like Barack Obama.

186

180  Re: the different types of intelligence -- yes and no.  It was of course a theory created to appeal to pc/compassionate claptrap, but to some extent there may be some truth to the basic premise.  While there are people who are truly renaissance men and women -- brilliant at many different levels and things -- I've met many, very intelligent, highly educated people who were the stupidest mofos in every other aspect of their lives that you wondered how they managed to survive and raise their young; just as I've met people with less than high school levels of education (and barely passing at that), who were essentially "dumb" (a couple were barely literate), who were quite smart, clever, intelligent in certain aspects.

Maybe the best way to describe it is: they all were intelligent, but their circumstances and natural inclinations led them in different paths, and each had their own level of intelligence with which to draw off of. 

Then there are those who are too damn dumb to clack two rocks together...

187 Well , with turkey season just now over and little league baseball in full swing I'm about ready to connect with my couch and TV for a few weeks .  Then with my indoor batteries recharged it'll be time for a couple months of summer fishing before the deer season starts , then dove season , more deer hunting , duck season , sea trout fishing in November, more deer hunting  , Christmas , more waterfowl . In February we take a short break before starting over .

Bite me Mr. Precedent , I forgot more about outdoor skills by the time I was ten than you'll ever know in your whole decadent urban life .

188 185  Good question -- I say we let each person go out into this "nature" thing with their own preconceived notions as to what it's all about, and then let nature take it's course...

189 Odd. I didn't see the word "camping" anywhere...

...which is probably something he's never done a day in his life. I would add "hunting" and "Fishing" as well because it's clear he's just projecting his intended utopia on to the rest of us...

...camping is something that only occurs to those who have actually done it.

190 g, I would add running and playing to that list, as well.

191 yeah T Bird like you can play ball like Obama can

192 Did Barry mention anything about throwing baseballs or bowling?

193

This is on the Mexico/Arizona border. I thought Jamet Napolitano said the situation on the border was better than it has ever been.

 

It is better.  For drug smugglers and coyotes.

194 Is there going to be stimulus program to help poor, inner-city children afford a gun so they can go hunting?

195 9 "It has to be difficult to be Barack Obama. Every day he looks in the mirror and says, "Damn, I have to do EVERYTHING around here!" with a big exasperated grin. `````````````````````````````` .. and I am EVERYTHING around here!" G-D I love this site. The information is so uplifting and I share all the same thoughts with you people!

196 Posted by: unknown jane at May 08, 2010 12:00 PM (5/yRG)

I understand and appreciate what you are saying, but I still disagree.  Intelligence is pretty darn specific.  It involves a certain sort of reasoning and is usually expressed in the language of intelligence - mathematics (formalized languages, more generally).  Someone who is a "genius with his hands" (as the old saying would go, before Gartner achieved infamy by claiming the same and describing it in some retarded psychological babble) is not "intelligent" because of that ability, but "talented" at whatever craft we are talking about.  This does not take anything away from his (or her) talent, but there is no reason that one must try and tell everyone that every talent is "intelligence".  Of course, the problem solving involved in that craft IS intelligence, but that is not what people are generally referring to when they want to point to a talent (such as the ability to shoot 3 pointers from 50 feet) and claim that there is something "intelligent" about it.

It is the desire to slap the label "intelligence" onto every single ability that is a major problem.  People do that because they think, deep down, that there is something special about "intelligence" (and there is) but instead of understanding and appreciating that, they think that just calling every talent "intelligence" will make everyone feel better about himself.

With regard to women in the hard sciences (just finishing up an earlier point) there were a few women who deserved Nobel prizes (in the hard sciences) but did not get them because of nothing but anti-female sentiment, notably Lisa Meitner and Rosalind Franklin.  That was back when the Nobel meant something. Nowadays, it's more political than anything else, with the Peace and Literature Prizes being nothing more than global leftist awards for retards.

197 28 How does Toonces know this?  Isn't he supposed to be dealing more effectively with issues concerning adults?
--------------
Sasha and Malia are always underfoot, therefore *every* parent in America is having trouble getting away from ...er... getting the kids to go outside and play.

198 I'm even growing (trying to grow) a big veggie garden this year.

Veggies. Sure. Up against the wall, pal.

199 It's bad enough that LEGAL citizens can't utilize the national parks by our borders, but illegals are DESTROYING it, too.

200 All of those other private-public partnerships worked out so well. What could go wrong?*

*Fannie, Freddie...

...behind the park's elderberry bushes?  Disguising!

201

Pelayo:

Sounds like you and I are about the same age.

Everyday K-12, we had an hour of PE which typically started with about a quarter-mile run, then calesthenics then some game. Basketball, baseball, wrestling...real dodge ball with bloody noses, gymnastics with tumbling/vaulting/trampolines/rings. Nobody excused unless running a fever. Presidential Physical Fitness tests twice a year (pushups, pullups, situps, running). The PE teachers were hard-asses. It was a good thing. 

202 So, do I get a tax credit for having my 6yo son being able to put 6 22LR in the black at 100yrds and can I write off my Appleseed expenses?

203 151 I still don't get this...WTF does (re)connect to a river or farm or ranch mean?
--------------
Sending schoolchildren to the collective farms to harvest crops?

204

OT - Put me some knowledge here, morons who unnerstand video equipment.  I want to put a video cam on my roof, pointing straight up, and use the signal to drive a projector in the house to project the image on the ceiling on the living room.

I want to be able to walk into the room, flip a switch and have the ceiling disappear!  Then I can enjoy the sky anytime I want, day or night, while I read or enjoy music.  Maybe have a tilt-pan camera and I could see views of the sea and the mountains in the distance too, which are presently obscured by stands of pesky trees!

Recommended equipment?  Camera, projector, PC controller software?

ps. If I can make the ceiling disappear, I will then begin experimenting on moonbats!

205

202  The trouble I'm having with the concept is the parameters we put upon the definition of "intelligence".  The "talent" you are describing...could it not be considered "intelligence"? (although I was considering more the case scenario of a couple of semi-illiterate hillbillies I know, who, while they did very poorly in traditional education, were quite capable of taking apart, fixing, and even improving upon motor engines and the like, or some rather skilled farmers I also know who only have high school educations, but are very successful at farming, which isn't just dropping seeds in the ground at all...rather than somebody who can consistently score 3 pointers; the latter is a matter of physical skill and practice, but the former did involve a certain amount of reasoning and creative problem solving ability).  None of the people I mention here as examples are what many would consider "unintelligent" if judged from some of the parameteres people place upon the definition, but they have proven themselves to not only know a skill, but highly capable of improvising, adapting, and creating things without outside direction.  Similarly, just how smart is (for example) the math prof who can't seem to learn how to properly use jumper cables, no matter how many times he's been shown how to do so? (yep, that's a good friend of ours too -- nice guy, really smart guy at what he does, but you just can't trust him with anything remotely mechanical, unless you're hankering for a scene of massive destruction).  Nobody would deny that he isn't intelligent; he is -- but is he really any smarter, any more intelligent than my semi-literate hillbilly friend who can repair and enhance any engine set in front of him without benefit of any manual (who would be lost in my professor friend's most basic math class)?  Is it a case of confusing intelligence with educational level? (and no, educational achievement, while it can be a hallmark of intelligence, isn't imho a guarantee of the same.)

I think intelligence can take a lot of different forms and levels.  We could say that talent and intelligence overlap to a certain degree and are unique to every individual without being horridly pc about it.

206

@165, I presume you're recommending the 7mm-06 for His Excellency.

__________________________

My kid is spending the summer in the sunny mountains of Colorado, teaching a SERE course.  That connected enough for you, Stinky? 

He sent his scoutmaster a postcard from BCT that said "It's like Philmont, but you get paid! Pretty cool, huh?" 

207

208 Hmmm, does this mean I get to claim the horses and the working dogs as dependents?  Claim that I should be allowed my chickens and goats back as cultural/physical enrichment "for the children"?  A stimulus check to buy more firearms, ammo, and archery equipement...fishing poles and tackle?

Hey, if that's the case, I'm all for it!

208 BHO wags that finger every time he wants to spend taxpayers' dollars.  He thinks he has the moral high ground.  Pfffft!

209

@208 Jean, Yes you do, in a manner of speaking:  http://tinyurl.com/37ax9lu

Was that "in the black" on an A-25? 'Cause those NCAA sissies shoot inside.  

210 Once again Mr. Onederful doesn't see the reason for the plight of recreation deprived Americans is the plaintiffs' trial lawyers'  and their liberal judges in the rapacious fleecing of americans. They drive up the cost of recreation by their lawsuits thereby causing schools and other venues to drastically scale back these programs and activities.
Perhaps Obama has seen the British judge's lame decision declaring the right to travel to be a human right and thus governmental financing of travel is required?
Again, while this right may be wonnerful, having a government program to facilitate it, is not. Will the government be liable if the hunter, instead of shooting a squirrel, shoots an endangered speicies? or a fellow program participant?
Once again, Obama's ideas are half baked slogans designed to woo a base that is desperately fleeing him.
But his only solutions are more and BIIIIIIGGGGGGER GUBMINT. He's like a one trick pony.

211 >>>None of the people I mention here as examples are what many would consider "unintelligent" if judged from some of the parameteres people place upon the definition, but they have proven themselves to not only know a skill, but highly capable of improvising, adapting, and creating things without outside direction.

That is intelligence, no matter the field. Problem solving. But that is not what Gartner is talking about with his "Seven Intelligences" (which mght have been expanded since his first writing).

>>>Similarly, just how smart is (for example) the math prof who can't seem to learn how to properly use jumper cables, no matter how many times he's been shown how to do so? (yep, that's a good friend of ours too -- nice guy, really smart guy at what he does, but you just can't trust him with anything remotely mechanical, unless you're hankering for a scene of massive destruction). Nobody would deny that he isn't intelligent; he is -- but is he really any smarter, any more intelligent than my semi-literate hillbilly friend who can repair and enhance any engine set in front of him without benefit of any manual (who would be lost in my professor friend's most basic math class)?

Intelligence does not mean that one can do everything, merely that one can do problem solving in some system, if he so desires, or understand logical reasoning or identify logical patterns.

>>>Is it a case of confusing intelligence with educational level? (and no, educational achievement, while it can be a hallmark of intelligence, isn't imho a guarantee of the same.)

I don't think so. The problem is that much of what we call "education" (such as in the humanities and other soft fields) are just jokes. But, education in the hard sciences is directly related to ones intelligence. People have natural limits to what they can comprehend, and those limits define the outer boundaries of their intelligence, as applied to that field. But, intelligence, in those circumstances, always refer to logical thinking and the ability to construct/follow logical arguments.

>>>I think intelligence can take a lot of different forms and levels. We could say that talent and intelligence overlap to a certain degree and are unique to every individual without being horridly pc about it.

Posted by: unknown jane at May 08, 2010 12:39 PM (5/yRG)

Intelligence is a fairly specific sort of talent, or ability.  It is wrong to try to replace "talent" with "intelligence".  All that does is destroy any meaning that the word "intelligence" had, which is the intention of the left (as they do with so mcuh of our langauge).

212 Posted by: sherlock at May 08, 2010---

Ask Jerry Jones

213

Actually, we were going to take the Obama family out into the woods this weekend.

But then we thought, what will we do if they find their way home?

214 And when I wear hiking boots, it ain't for a photo op. It's to take my skinny ass up a fucking mountain.

Bunk.

215 I hear there's a new water park in Tennessee.

216

217  Yeah, but you did point out yourself that many people have a very flawed concept of what intelligence really is (taking my example: many would call my semi-literate friend unintelligent, dumb, etc. -- due to his lack of literacy and standard education, but would they be correct in that assumption?  Similarly, while many would consider my math prof friend a genius due to his education, there are times when, in certain areas, I find him, bless his heart, dumb as a box of rocks -- really, basic vehicle maintenence isn't rocket science).

Since you had to bring up the humanities (and that's my area of expertise, as is my husband's -- both of us can use jumper cables and change our oil) -- let's try another example: I routinely was paid by a collegue in the physics department to edit his writing.  This was another intelligent person within his field, but he could not write his way out of a wet paper bag -- it went beyond grammar and spelling (which were atrocious); the basic composition and thesis formulation were horrid as well.  There was nothing wrong with his work...he just could never learn to express his ideas clearly in writing (and I tried to work with him which was an uphill struggle -- the money was decent, but I really didn't want to be tied down with unraveling his ideas, interpreting them correctly, and getting them down on paper so much; besides, it's really better for people to write about their own work as there is a risk of meaning drift; that makes me very stressed out -- I have enough of that for myself without taking more on).  So, if we are to judge from hard sciences vs. humanities, he would be an intelligent person then, and someone like me is merely a talented dolt? Because quite honestly, if you looked at his original writings you would wonder what idiot created such garbage (he could change his oil, knew how to use jumper cables though).

Again, I think you are taking the definitions of intelligence and what is "real" learning directly from the people you profess to despise -- the humanities are "bad" and not "real learning"...you take it at face value because you don't like the people running those departments right now.  The latter half of the arguement is fair enough, but you proceed to throw an entire segment of learning out the window because you don't like what other people have done to that segment -- that's an error in logic right there.  (just as much of an error as the person who would call my hillbilly stupid and my math prof friend a genius, and thus let the prof use their jumper cables, no?)

217

This from an Administration that seeks to close tens of thousands of Acres from recreational activities in the name of Wilderness.  I wonder how much money was bundled via the Sierra Club and Wilderness Lobbies for this assmunch?

Fuck.Him.

Hey Barack, I'll take you hunting any time you want to go! 

218 I can't wait until some OFA zombie takes his Dear Leader's advice and goes hunting in a national park.  Out of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, he'll be left with life.  And felons don't get to vote.

And sorry if this is a repeat of someone.  I'll go read the comments now and see if I should hang my head in shame for tardiness.

219 4 He's got no less than 11 agencies and departments involved in this stupid-ass shit. Sec of Int and Ag, Administrator of the EPA, Chair of the CEQ, Depts of Defense, commerce, Housing and Urban Development, Health and Human services, Labor, transportation, education, and Management and Budget. They are going to have to start writing reports. I'm so glad our government isn't wasting our time and money. Posted by: carin at May 08, 2010 09:54 AM (EjXVN) `````````````````````````````````````` "How much legislation, how many layers of bureaucracy do we fund until you people finally get the message? ..like I said, it takes a village... (idiots!)"

220

_{Maybe John Kerry can take him hunting..}

Kerry should have been Arrested for Wonton Waste.  There's no way that rube cleaned and cooked that Goose.  In fact, I can guarantee he never filled out a tag to transfer ownership of the Bird to a third Party.

If I had been a resident of the State he was in at the time I would have called and had him arrested for suspicion of Game Violations.

221

>>>Again, I think you are taking the definitions of intelligence and what is "real" learning directly from the people you profess to despise -- the humanities are "bad" and not "real learning"...you take it at face value because you don't like the people running those departments right now. 

I don't take my definition of intelligence from anyone.  It is MY definition, from my experience and what I see.

I think you take my attitude about most non-science pursuits too personally.  The fact is that more subjective fields get filled with more mediocre (and worse) people and that many of these fields have no reason to even exist as academic pursuits - not on their own, though the endeavors are often legitimate, tiny parts of other fields.  

As to writing ability and intelligence, it's just a fact that many great writers are total idiots - most, even.  That doesn't mean that all good writers are dumb, but the ability to express oneself in writing is not directly tied to ones ability to think logically or understand the world.  Of course, many of these great writers, who couldn't think their way out of a paper bag, are suffering more from emotional issues than outright stupidity, but those emotions take over their minds, cloud their judgment and leave them with nothing but stupid ideas.  But, you have to be very careful not to personalize this statement about the group.

>>>The latter half of the arguement is fair enough, but you proceed to throw an entire segment of learning out the window because you don't like what other people have done to that segment -- that's an error in logic right there.  (just as much of an error as the person who would call my hillbilly stupid and my math prof friend a genius, and thus let the prof use their jumper cables, no?)

Posted by: unknown jane at May 08, 2010 01:19 PM (5/yRG)

I don't throw anything out.  There are qualitative differences in the various fields of human endeavor.  That is a fact.  That says nothing about any individual in any field, but addresses aggregate qualities of the groups in those fields.

And, I would just stress, just because one can do high-level math doesn't make one a genius - not even close.  Genius is something altogether different that has nothing to do with education, but is connected to actual problem solving and the construction/creation of radical new implements, languages and approaches.  Unfortunately, the word "genius" has been destroyed, having very little actual value left to it, just as the word "intelligence" is being destroyed - linguistic grade inflation, if you will.

222

227  Are you making the distinction between the different forms of writing?  Not all writing is poetry and/or novels?  In fact, the majority of writing is not in the creative field (although I considered Twain and Kipling very astute, intelligent people; even crazy old Edgar Poe was quite adept at interpreting the human psyche long before the field of psychology made its way into the world).

And I suppose I do take things a bit personally -- but that's a bit understandable, now isn't it? (look really closely at what you yourself have written, and place it within the context of what others have said...you state that you do not...and then you go ahead and you sort of do my friend).

223 There is no compulsion in Liblam. Posted by: Truck Monkey at May 08, 2010 11:00 AM (yQWNf) ````````````````````````````` good one!

224

Tattoo de Plane:

"....but he is a stupid ass who bullshitted his way through school and life. He used and sold drugs and hung out with losers and creeps. Even growing up in Indonesia and Hawaii, he seems like a slacker."

TDP, I work with someone who went to that fancy private school in Hawaii with BO.  She said once, "Barry was one of the stoners!"

225 The NRA: newest target for membership in the nanny state.

226

Bad case of engineer envy (for the rest of the human race) going on here. All you lower level thinkers? Make the biggest mistake of your professional life, and you'll nullify a contract, spoil a narrative, fail to make a point that might have done some good. So you're, like, nothing. You're not an engineer!

Let an engineer fuck up, and people die, just like that, and they don't come back to life when you hit 'reset' either. So, either a lot of persons who consider themselves to be practicing engineers (and let's be fair and note that most people with engineering degrees are not practicing engineers) have never met a numbnuts fuck-up of an engineer, even though they exist in veritable scads, or the mewling bleats of these higher (math only!) minds, who must have received the wedgie of all time from some English major somewhere, are in fact the voice of the tits-up turtle in this our land.

I don't know about the rest of you, but whenever I get stuck with one of these guys on a job, I go back and double-check his work before I sign off. Quebec bridge, and all that: not his grammar, although it's usually wanting; the actual stuff he's supposed to know how to do--because you cannot trust them.  

227 As long as President Wee Wee is lecturing us on our behavior, maybe he could say a word or two about the black illegitimacy rate, which currently stands near 70%.

228 The National Parks is one of the two federal programs I am in the tank for--WITHIN REASON; in Alaska and Appalachia, the NPS just roared on in with eminient domain, which is bullshit.  Such places as the Grand Canyon and Mesa Verde should be kept in their natural state. 

But here's the thing, Barry-- the South Rim of the Grand Canyon is groaning with RV's, SUV's, minivans, and shuttlebuses.  Sometimes the NPS has to limit the amount of people going in so that the rangers aren't overwhelmed.  So gee, is Toonces saying he wants all those big bad carbon emitters and stomping kids eroding away the environment?

229 I agree with UnknownJane re: intelligence.  I teach college.  I've also held a day job in every field imaginable.  Sometimes I worked with jockeys, many of whom didn't even finish high school, but their instincts with horses and racing were incredible. Some could get on a horse they've never seen before and after only acquainting themselves in the post parade were able to bring that sucker home in front.  Calvin Borel doesn't even have a GED-- he may be uneducated, but I would never call him stupid. 

It's not just a "talent."  It's a whole set of skills and instincts which, when complied, form a comprehensive way of learning and acting.  A people few are more balanced than others, and yeah, some are just a box of rocks, but I've found that the most successful people are those who somehow find out where their intelligence lies, and then proceed to work their asses off. 

I also taught teach writing to students who ere in highly technical fields.  Some of the same people who were designing propellants for deep space exploration could barely put a sentence together.  And then there are those like me, who scored in the 98% of verbal abilities on the SAT, but who also suffer from a learning disability and get lost in even familiar neighborhoods. 

Sometimes you do get astonishing people like James May of Top Gear, who is an accomplished musician and mechanically inclined, but is also verbally deft.  Or Benjamin Franklin, who was obviously a genius on just about every level. But not often.  This shouldn't excuse jocks from learning how to put an intelligible sentence together or creative writing majors from knowing how to balance a checkbook.  However, from what I've seen in the classroom and simple interaction with other human beings, I really do think there are different types of intelligence. 

230 TDP, I work with someone who went to that fancy private school in Hawaii with BO.  She said once, "Barry was one of the stoners!"

Posted by: The Shadow Knows at May 08, 2010 02:34 PM (9CzKK)

Diane Johnson fan? You don't meet too many of those, or former friends of Barry. A few here and there.

I read an interview with his former teacher at Punahou, Barbara Nelson, who now lives in Buffalo. She said he was a B student who was still special. Yeah, special and stoned off his ass.

231 He just wants all of America's children to have the same hunting skills as the kids back in his old Chi-town Hood!

232

 

I agree with Unknown Jane. Intelligence expresses itself differently through natural talents which, at their cores, are always dependent on problem solving, no matter the talent. Math ability is an inate talent as much as the inate talent of writing well. Both depend on a penchant for understanding problem solving in differentare areas.

Savants, as an extreme, are considered to be mentally retarded, but they have genius-level talents in very limited and specific areas of problem solving (math, music, sculpting, etc). Music, an art, is mathematic at its core.

Math gets its deserved recognition because it has its written language as its proof, but I'd like to know if Einstein could have filled the shoes of Beethoven (and Einstein's talent was far greater as a concept visionary than as a mathematician).

 

233 Now, boys and girls, the President says it's time to grab your guns and your knives and your bows and your spears, and get out into the wild and kill something.

That is so awesome.

But don't put salt on it before you eat it!

234 One word: smoker

235 President Obama is a wonderful example to children everywhere.

236 Yes. By all means lets be upset that Obama is making the same statement that many health agencies are making. Getting kids outdoor is better for them than staying inside. I never thought I'd say this. There's actually a place worse than KOS at its crazy peak. And this is it.

237 Joe: "Yes. By all means lets be upset that Obama is making the same statement that many health agencies are making."

Encouraging exercise is one thing. Declaring it a "responsibility" of the Federal government is a) nonsense, b) a lie, and c) the rhetorical opening inviting tangible legislation that would be Unconstitutional.

Obama has a) no appreciation for the limits government in our Republic, and b) no comprehension of his tendencies religion toward overbearing paternalistic socialism.

The man doesn't understand his role in America. Sure, he can mouth the words, but he perverts it when he tries to enact it.

238 I never thought I'd say this. There's actually a place worse than KOS at its crazy peak. And this is it.

Posted by: Joe at May 08, 2010 06:53 PM (1+c7l)

 

We like to think of ourselves as, well, innovators of only the highest quality of lunacy to which other people on other blogs like KOS can aspire.

 But hey, this is an off day here. Come back again sometime when the real loonies are here, keeping in mind that everything that you read here will be more comprehensible if you're drunk or stoned out of your mind ..., or if you're, oh, just a teeny weeny bit retarded.

BTW, If you're not already loony before you come here, you've come to the wrong blog today. That's the bad news. The good news is that you'll be so loony by the time that you leave here that you'll be all prepped and loony enough to come here again and to recognize that this is the right blog for you.

239 Drum circles...and circle jerks.

240 If you're connecting with nature we're gonna put you on a list, you anti-social misfit.

241 comatus - the NRA small bore 100yd target; those are very hard scholarships to get (I shot at the Citadel, and never sniffed a scholarship for rifle or pistol from other schools.)

242 I think Barry's giving us a warning.  When the shit hits the fa, you better know how to hunt and fish, or you're gonna be one hungry unit.

243 Well thank fucking god... I was just thinking I need someone to control my entire fucking life down to the level of deciding what I'm allowed/forced to do during my free time (and every decision more important than that of course).

Posted by: Joe at May 08, 2010 06:53 PM (1+c7l)

Yes, how dare we be upset at Obama looking to control our free time.  Look at how well he does the things he's supposed to be doing.  Economy is in the tank and not expected to recover for years, terrorists are permitted set off bombs before we catch them and we're ending intel programs that could help us stop them earlier, he's snubbing foreign leaders as fast as he can, and looking to add more debt onto the economy to damage our currency and future borrowing power... clearly this is a man who can do anything; and we should let him branch out and try new stuff.

Is there a better analogy than comparing him to King Midas, excepting that everything he touches turns to shit?  You wonder why I'm concerned he wants to touch my private life?  Well half my company has been laid off and the rest of us are under a wage freeze with reduced benefits for the past year... so he's already fucked my job; the housing market is in turmoil screwing up the rental markets... so he's fucked my home life... now he wants to fuck with my free time?

What gives you any confidence that he'll do anything except completely fuck this up too?  Yeah, thinking he'll fuck this up is insane... the rational thinker decides he's probably due to get something right?  I'm guessing if you pick racehorses with that logic you're broke and have some broken limbs?

244 Hey Chris, Hopefully you take part in outdoor activities this state has to offer. I have already said many moons ago that I may become hiker trash (it is one of my ice-floe possibilities), and I did not want to get confused with hobos for the obvious reasons. I was told by one AOS denizen that I would be killed last, so I have that going for me! Which is naturally nice! You can't get that sort of love just anywhere! I fish, but have not killed a fish for a long time. With my vision, any sort of gun play is suspect. I always assumed that you were an adult. Doh! It cracked me up when I found out I am old and you are young. What the hell is up with that! It must be fun growing up with this technology. I used to teach, and it would be fabulous with the tools we have now. I am using very old stuff (is that string broken yet?), but I may buy something new soon enough. I have you beat on not sleeping, and I may send you a note about it. Since you are young, I hope you grow out of it (well being young you will grow out of by definition, but physical things can sometimes just disappear for no apparent reason). Many things that plagued me as a child went away largely as I aged. It could happen to you also. It could get worse, but you may as well just hope for the best. I assume that you have seen the Metolius. It is really beautiful, but the fishing is easier on the Deschutes. On the Metolius try fishing way up river where the river stops meandering and gets serious. I have found that the fishing is easier up there. It looks as if the fishing would be bad, but there are some places where you can fish. Also, if you do not have trouble with heights (I increasingly do, but still go); Eagle Creek is just something you have to do. It is spectacular. The next one is harder and I have a tale about trouble I had there during probably the worst snow year ever there. As usual, the story is made by not getting dead! That sort of thing would destroy many of my humorous stories. And then, they died. Where is the fun in that? I suppose you have to be much more macabre than I am for that to work, and even at the AOS I am not seeing it working well! The next place is Jefferson Park. It is just a beautiful place. I was there once when there was a full moon. I could have walked in the dark it was so bright. It was surreal. It was a special time. If you have not been there, it is a meadow beneath Mt. Jefferson. If you are physically able, it is a place you should go. You do have to manage a pass at 7000 feet, but at the right time you may glissade down into the park. I remember doing this just before I entered high school. We stupidly had new jeans and left blue streaks. I swear to God we did! We was wild then. Name the song, but do not cheat. You are probably too young, but some AOS type may know that tune. She is an idiot, but most are. What can you do? I do wish you well. Live long and prosper, or something! You know what is funny that I was trying so hard to get the fingers parted properly that I totally got the thumb part wrong. I know, stupid, but I know that you and the rest of the AOS morons were worrying about such things! I just assumed (I know ass, you, some assembly required) that the thumb should be tight to the hand and not dangling out there, but dangling is actually apparently correct. Who knew? Sure you all knew, but I am taking about normal people. We actually get outside and do stuff. Sun, sky, moon; it is all good! No really! Why do I even bother?

245 Cheap CHI Flat Iron have the so many function, all of them are good for your hair . Our limited edition Hair Straighteners CHI don't last very long and can be hard to get a hold of after they have sold out.
Message from : http://www.chibuy.org/