December 22, 2010
— DrewM First a bit of non-heroic housekeeping, Obama signed DADT repeal.
Now that that is out of the way, let's talk about some real military stories.
Army Sgt. J.D. Williams is 23 years old. He's married and has an infant daughter. He is currently at Brooke Army Medical Center recuperating from wounds that resulted him losing three limbs.
What does he say?
"I'm just glad I stepped on that IED. Otherwise, it would have been one of my buddies."
More on this incredible man and how you can send him a note here.
Via Lex...meet British soldier Lance Corporal Craig Murfitt, currently serving in Afghanistan.
“I spotted three men with a child on a compound roof, about 300 yards in front of the vehicles. Suddenly two of the men moved off, leaving one man with the child. It was a girl, no more than 10.“The man picked up a rifle and moved behind the child, taking aim at me. I knew I could take him down but, being a dad myself, I didn’t want to run the risk of killing a child. So I waited, hoping the girl would drop down and give me a clear shot.” Instead, the sniper fired, hitting LCpl Murfitt in the head. It was only his helmet that saved him, leaving him dazed but uninjured. The child fled at the sound of the shot - leaving his colleagues the chance to open fire.
The brave soldiers of Islam hide behind children while the crusaders take shots to the head to avoid putting them at risk.
Compare and contrast.
Personally, I'm damn glad and incredibly grateful that Sgt Williams and LCpl Murfitt are on our side.
One last bit of housekeeping...
the real heart of this post is these two heroes. If you want to discuss DADT fine, but could we not have it devolve into a bunch of "jokes" about gays that 3rd graders would find too childish? I know not everyone does it but if you look at the last few DADT threads, you'll see what I mean.
Thanks.
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Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2010 06:57 AM (GyvA5)
Posted by: Y-not, professional 8 year old at December 22, 2010 06:58 AM (IDL9N)
Oh and Robin's TEH GHEY!!!!!! Sign him up for the front line!
Posted by: chemjeff at December 22, 2010 06:59 AM (GyvA5)
Posted by: t-bird at December 22, 2010 07:01 AM (kho+0)
Posted by: Y-not, professional 8 year old at December 22, 2010 07:01 AM (IDL9N)
Posted by: t-bird at December 22, 2010 07:02 AM (kho+0)
Posted by: Y-not at December 22, 2010 07:02 AM (IDL9N)
I agree.
Posted by: a sullivan at December 22, 2010 07:04 AM (h0rgM)
RINO.
Posted by: Slublog at December 22, 2010 07:05 AM (0nqdj)
I have to admit, I'm a bit puzzled by that first line as it's not exactly Heroism, disclaimer nonwithstanding. It'd be better if the post title was more accurate.
(I'm cleaning out inactive files today (left in the system due to negligence) and it's putting me in a less than tolerant mood for inaccuracy.)
mac :]
Posted by: macbrooks at December 22, 2010 07:07 AM (J+MD4)
Posted by: joncelli© at December 22, 2010 07:08 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 22, 2010 07:08 AM (h0rgM)
Posted by: AoSHQ's DarkLord© at December 22, 2010 07:08 AM (GBXon)
Old and busted: DADT jokes. New retro hotness: Internet spelling pedantry.
Posted by: Andy at December 22, 2010 07:09 AM (5Rurq)
On the plus side, those two men are definitely heroes in my book. Thank you for your brave work, gentleman. *bows*
mac :]
Posted by: macbrooks at December 22, 2010 07:09 AM (J+MD4)
Talk about DADT repeal? What is there to talk about? It's a done deal. We've been told it wasn't a big deal.
The left gets yet another win by laying the foundations for another protected class. That's a final score there and there won't ever be a rematch and we'll have to continue to fight them off year after year on the fiscal issues we seem to think we kinda sorta won.
So why the bitchiness? The Connecticut overlords getting offended again?
Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 22, 2010 07:09 AM (fLHQe)
You will always be trapped in the wrong line!
http://tinyurl.com/39sp2qa
Posted by: Kemp at December 22, 2010 07:10 AM (JpFM9)
Now that that is out of the way, let's talk about some real military stories.
First it isn't "out of the way".
Second, unles you're saying that repealing DADT DOES NOT pertain to the military, then that issue is indeed a 'real' military story.
Suggestion: Drop the snark, and keep the stories and comments.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 22, 2010 07:10 AM (R2fpr)
At least you got "you're" right.
Posted by: The Mega Independent
Just for that I'm not showing you mine.
So there smarty pants.
Posted by: mpfs, I sniff sharpies at December 22, 2010 07:10 AM (iYbLN)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 22, 2010 07:11 AM (2rOwc)
So there smarty pants.
Posted by: mpfs, I sniff sharpies at December 22, 2010 11:10 AM (iYbLN)
I'm telling.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 22, 2010 07:13 AM (h0rgM)
Imagine what these soldiers could accomplish and how heroic they could be if surrounded or led by their betters from the Ivy League. These brave soldiers are the ones that have been referred to with contempt in the press these past months-if they don't like the rules, they can leave.
Posted by: ed at December 22, 2010 07:13 AM (Urhve)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 22, 2010 07:13 AM (2rOwc)
That said, Merry Christmas to our outstanding military. Big kiss.
Posted by: mpfs, I sniff sharpies at December 22, 2010 07:13 AM (iYbLN)
P.S. Christine O'Donnell was a disaster and anyone, not saying you guys, who supported was a fucking idiot.
Have a nice day!
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 22, 2010 07:15 AM (uFokq)
So there smarty pants.
Posted by: mpfs, I sniff sharpies at December 22, 2010 11:10 AM (iYbLN)
I'm telling.
Posted by: The Mega Independent
You big snot. I always knew you were a tattletale. The other kids think you smell.
Posted by: mpfs, I sniff sharpies at December 22, 2010 07:15 AM (iYbLN)
The point is, the images could be used to discredit terrorist scum and their apologists. make thousands of copies and air drop them in villages. It might help to turn locals against the taliban if they see their "warriors" hiding behind 10 year olds. Probably not, but hey, it's just an idea. At the very least it will show Americans who are sick of the war what we are actually trying to prevent.
Posted by: Don at December 22, 2010 07:16 AM (RiU19)
Posted by: SDN at December 22, 2010 07:16 AM (WWkTr)
Posted by: Muhammad M. Muhammad at December 22, 2010 07:16 AM (qndXR)
Posted by: andycanuck
Why wouldn't they? How would they eat their Cheerios?
Posted by: mpfs, I sniff sharpies at December 22, 2010 07:17 AM (iYbLN)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 22, 2010 07:17 AM (h0rgM)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 22, 2010 07:17 AM (fLHQe)
Posted by: joncelli© at December 22, 2010 07:18 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 22, 2010 11:17 AM (h0rgM)
Cuz you don't have Adblock.
Posted by: Tami at December 22, 2010 07:18 AM (VuLos)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 22, 2010 07:19 AM (eOXTH)
Everyone on the playground turns around and points their snot encrusted fingers at Drew.
Posted by: mpfs, I sniff sharpies at December 22, 2010 07:19 AM (iYbLN)
"The brave soldiers of Islam hide behind children while the crusaders take shots to the head to avoid putting them at risk."
Perhaps there is some merit in the concept of a "corageous restraint" medal.
Posted by: MAx Entropy at December 22, 2010 07:20 AM (lH6z9)
Entry #3,984,034 on the Why Islamic Terrorists are Evil List.
Well done and God Bless to all who serve, and especially those who have paid the price for it. Heroes all.
Posted by: SeenIt at December 22, 2010 07:21 AM (6sKtn)
I doubt there would be much effect from such an effort.
Anyone who doesn't already know that terrorists routinely use human shields is willfully ignorant.
And that's just here in the West where we're insulated from it. Over there, where it is a fact of life, telling them it happens (even showing it in its graphic detail) isn't going to inform anyone of something they didn't know, let alone shock or surprise them.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at December 22, 2010 07:21 AM (8y9MW)
So should there be a pool started to see when the first activist group generates a discrimination lawsuit?
You know it's coming.
Posted by: irongrampa at December 22, 2010 07:23 AM (ud5dN)
You are probably right. That is depressing.
Posted by: Don at December 22, 2010 07:24 AM (RiU19)
Posted by: Andrew "Dice" Clay at December 22, 2010 07:24 AM (h0rgM)
It's only a matter of days until a transsexual enlists just to challenge the new policy and push it further to the Left.
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 22, 2010 07:25 AM (uFokq)
OK, I don't know about you guys, but that first story made me cry all over my waffle. I ate a tear soaked, soggy, salty waffle. Where do we find such men as this? It saddens me even more that our military is only useful as political props for their CinC and the Democrats. It's absolutely shameful. Sgt. J. D. Williams is a hero who deserves so much better. I hope you all keep him and his family in your prayers. Those of you who can should join me in sending some money to the Sgt. J.D. Williams Benefit Fund, 1st Madison Valley Bank, 213 Main St., Ennis, MT 59729.
Cards, letters and donations can be sent to him at the following:
No. 330, c/o Ashlee Williams, 3298 George C. Beach Road, Fort Sam Houston, TX 78234.
Posted by: runningrn at December 22, 2010 07:25 AM (ihSHD)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 22, 2010 07:25 AM (eOXTH)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 22, 2010 07:26 AM (1Jaio)
Mpfs is looking at me. Make her stop.
(Back seat 3rd grader complaint and mpfs chosen at random.)
Posted by: Who Knows at December 22, 2010 07:26 AM (QLiYt)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 22, 2010 11:17 AM (h0rgM)
Because everyone's acting like babies?
(I kid. ~_^)
I stand by my assertion that none of this bullshit the lame duck congress has "passed" should be legally binding until the newly elected congress -- fresh off their mandate from the AMERICAN PEOPLE -- approves it. But since there's no such recourse currently in the Constitution, I'm going to have to sit in the corner and scream in frustration a little longer.
Maybe we can give the chicken a rest? It seems to me our government has been fucking the duck pretty damn hard these past few weeks. And it's a lame duck, too, so they're taking advantage of a HANDICAPPED DUCK.
Have they no shame?
In closing, thank God for brave soldiers like the ones detailed in this post. Sgt Williams typifies everything that is great about the American soldier. And thank God there are still heroic Brits in the UK military like Lance Cpl Murfitt and his compatriots. It's easy to forget that there are still some Brits with pride, honor and dignity left in the world, given what asshats their countrymen have otherwise become.
Posted by: MWR at December 22, 2010 07:26 AM (4df7R)
2. Sarah Palin: idiot and unelectable
3. Lindsey Graham: principled statesman
4. Michael Steele: fine leader
5. Mitt Romney: what this country really needs
6. Charlie Crist: poor orange American driven out of politics by mean right-wingers
7. DADT Repeal: not a big deal, meh
8. Earmarks: not a big deal, let's keep 'em
9. Raising Taxes On The Rich: we should do it so we can show our Democrat friends that we are sincere about cutting the deficit, I'm sure we can count on them to cooperate with us and cut spending when the time comes
10. Haley Barbour: racist
did I miss anything?
Posted by: Super RINO, Lightning Rod of Hate at December 22, 2010 07:27 AM (GyvA5)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 22, 2010 11:26 AM (1Jaio)
And take Congress with him. I'd happily pay for the whole group to stay on vacation for 2 years.
Posted by: Tami at December 22, 2010 07:27 AM (VuLos)
Posted by: . at December 22, 2010 07:29 AM (gQLr2)
This is why I kept saying yesterday that the last thing we should seek when choosing our next prez-nominee is the approval of the northeast Republicans.
We don't need NY, CA, MA, or any of those deep blue states to win the White House in 2012.
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 22, 2010 07:30 AM (uFokq)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 22, 2010 07:30 AM (eOXTH)
WTF.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at December 22, 2010 07:31 AM (eCAn3)
Mpfs is looking at me. Make her stop.
(Back seat 3rd grader complaint and mpfs chosen at random.)
Posted by: Who KnowsI'll be waiting for you by the milk machine at lunch bitch.
Posted by: mpfs, I sniff sharpies at December 22, 2010 07:31 AM (iYbLN)
i only get saks 5th ave, neiman marcus, and barneys new york ads here....
I had to leave the site and do some serious brain bleaching this morning, I was stuck with Olberdouche's new book ad....WTF is that doing anywhere near my computer ?
Posted by: Cu'Chulainn at December 22, 2010 07:33 AM (oW269)
Yes,
First you will blow me.
Posted by: Mel
In light of recent policy, that is no longer an insult. That is a lawful order.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 22, 2010 07:33 AM (R2fpr)
Anyone who doesn't already know that terrorists routinely use human shields is willfully ignorant.
And I would argue that even showing photographic evidence to the heartless left would just incense them more about the West's military involvement. Can't you hear their arguments already? "Well, if WE weren't over there, invading and slaughtering and raping and pillaging, then THEY wouldn't feel justified in using young children as human shields! THEY wouldn't even NEED to use young children as shields because WE wouldn't be over there rampaging like ruthless, bloodthirsty capitalist imperialist aggressors! DEATH TO AMERICA!"
However, I agree that photographs of this cowardly conduct would be valuable. Perhaps not so valuable now, but for historic record. It's hard to write a textbook that ignores the use of innocents as human shields in a conflict when images and/or video of the behavior exists. Without the visual documentation, however, it'll be the work of a moment for the left to sweep it all under the rug and teach the standard meme that it was American Aggression that was the True Evil in an Unjust War (capitalization deliberate).
Posted by: MWR at December 22, 2010 07:33 AM (4df7R)
Surely it would've been an unfathomable development if after the ratification of the 19th Amendment no women showed up at the polls. Or if after the integration of public education, no minorities showed up at the schoolhouse. We've been told that DADT is the equivalent of those causes, and now we'll see how honest the proponents of repeal really were.
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 22, 2010 07:33 AM (AzcBR)
Posted by: Super RINO, Lightning Rod of Hate at December 22, 2010 11:27 AM (GyvA5)
Obama would make a fine president? My friends?
Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 22, 2010 07:34 AM (h0rgM)
And I would argue that even showing photographic evidence to the heartless left would just incense them more about the West's military involvemen
We censored the accounts of the survivors of the Ft. Hood massacre. Do you really think that this would see the light of day?
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 22, 2010 07:35 AM (R2fpr)
64 When in the hell is Barry going to Hawaii? I prefer that prick on vacation. He can do less damage that way
hush you
we don't want him
Posted by: navycopjoe aka Da Bears uberfan!!! at December 22, 2010 07:35 AM (S9k9+)
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salam ngekngok bung...
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Posted by: gayuh at December 22, 2010 07:36 AM (ElUFn)
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 22, 2010 07:37 AM (R2fpr)
Posted by: KinleyArdal at December 22, 2010 07:37 AM (RHMF3)
Posted by: navycopjoe aka Da Bears uberfan!!! at December 22, 2010 07:38 AM (S9k9+)
We censored the accounts of the survivors of the Ft. Hood massacre. Do you really think that this would see the light of day?
Wikileaks? Just tell Assange that it'll make America even weaker and he'll run with it faster than Wile E. Coyote with an ACME rocketship.
Posted by: MWR at December 22, 2010 07:39 AM (4df7R)
87 Would that all young men in the world would hear of Sgt. Williams and LCpl. Murfitt, and seek to emulate them
bitch
Posted by: justin bieber at December 22, 2010 07:39 AM (S9k9+)
- country is bankrupt
- auto, banking, healthcare industries taken over
- military will now have Folsom parades
- everyone has accepted it, is afraid to talk about it, and is ready for more
Posted by: Cherry π at December 22, 2010 07:41 AM (+sBB4)
Wikileaks? Just tell Assange that it'll make America even weaker and he'll run with it faster than Wile E. Coyote with an ACME rocketship.
Posted by: MWR
Good point.
ACME bat suits: "The only bat suit worn by bats!"
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 22, 2010 07:42 AM (R2fpr)
What do you think the very first thing the top brass, the 'diversity' generals, will do to validate this policy?
Answer right after these messages from bonerpillsonlinecheap.com...
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 22, 2010 07:43 AM (uFokq)
bitch
Posted by: justin bieber at December 22, 2010 11:39 AM (S9k9+)
If you're not going to insult properly, Bieber, you can shut the fuck up. Where'd you learn your insults? Grade school? Nowhere in your comment do you even HINT at rape and torture in retaliation for the bitch's impugning of your manhood. You, young man, are a fucking amateur, and you give all of us male role models a bad name. You and your fucking emo-lite hair. FOaD.
Posted by: Eminem at December 22, 2010 07:44 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: barney frank at December 22, 2010 07:44 AM (S9k9+)
Promote a few pickle pickle-smoochers to the high ranks.
Not only promote them, but let everyone know they're gay and they're being 'proudly' promoted.
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 22, 2010 07:45 AM (uFokq)
Posted by: hutch1200 at December 22, 2010 07:45 AM (xwPh7)
People with conscience have defected from Al Queda because of this philosophy...
Posted by: Pyrocles at December 22, 2010 07:46 AM (cv5Iw)
Our once great and mighty military is now a social program charged with the duties to promote diversity and create jobs and a pathway to citizenship and college.
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 22, 2010 07:46 AM (uFokq)
99 we can just sit down w/ppl who are trained hide behind little girls
i call that maneuver the "oh shit!!! the wife is pissed and here she comes!! stand in front of daddy sweetheart"
what? like you cowards haven't done that
Posted by: barney frank at December 22, 2010 07:49 AM (S9k9+)
To those of you who are criticizing DrewM for the DADT bit...
Do any of you even read this blog?
Granted, I'm not really sure that line is relevant here, but DrewM started dropping that line on people yesterday in the bowels of one of the Haley Barbour posts. So I figured that was the all purpose, go-to line for putting uppity commenters who don't seem to know their role in their place.
So there.
Posted by: ed at December 22, 2010 07:50 AM (QLhy5)
Posted by: Bevis at December 22, 2010 07:50 AM (uD+PB)
When they (almost inevitably) reinstate the draft, how many people in the MFM are going to mention diminished recruitment due to DADT as a root cause?
Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
Yeah, didn't think so.
Hell, that's assuming we even have a military left after Bammyhammy and his brain trust of idiots get done with it. We'll end up time sharing aircraft carriers with the French and British, and clothing our shoulders in "designer" outfits that do fuckall for protection from the elements, like the Russians. It's all part of being invested in a "global community."
Posted by: MWR at December 22, 2010 07:51 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Cherry π at December 22, 2010 07:52 AM (+sBB4)
Posted by: Fritz at December 22, 2010 07:52 AM (GwPRU)
Posted by: Cherry π at December 22, 2010 07:54 AM (+sBB4)
I'm tired of all this namby pamby rules of engagement. Start shooting through their shields and then this'll come to an end as they look for another way to snooker our troops. According to their beliefs the kid'll go right to Allah... where it'll then be sodomized by Teh Pedophillic Prophet.
It's one thing to not deliberately target non-combatants. It's wholly another to let our troops get killed and maimed to save to asshat's kid or sister or whatever.
Kill 'em all. Let God sort 'em out.
Posted by: chuck in st paul at December 22, 2010 07:54 AM (EhYdw)
So when Obama institutes the draft, the gays are no longer off of the hook?
Soooo...Now it's back to "Conspiracy to Kill a Bald Eagle" conviction to keep you out?.
Posted by: hutch1200 at December 22, 2010 07:55 AM (xwPh7)
Posted by: hutch1200 at December 22, 2010 07:57 AM (xwPh7)
Drew. Good Post. Our troops should be in our thoughts as well as their parents.
Posted by: journolist at December 22, 2010 08:05 AM (LwLqV)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 22, 2010 08:08 AM (sJr7b)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 22, 2010 08:19 AM (y3Ujd)
Posted by: UGAdawg at December 22, 2010 08:26 AM (/VjHB)
Me? I am currently a Sergeant Major in the Army, I was a Master Sergeant in Afghanistan and a First Sergeant in Iraq. 23 years of service and 2 combat tours.
I initially disagreed with the repeal of DADT for several reasons. First, will the Military be required to recognzie gay marriages? Service personnel can legally claim any state as a residence and many choose states without income tax. Now they can choose ones that recognize gay marriage? I am sure federal recognition of gay marriage is a feature, not a bug, built into the repeal.
Second, there will be no way to regulate unmarried co-habitation or commingling in the military gay community. Currently there are male barracks and female barracks that prevent male and female soldiers from hooking up in the barracks. It still happens, but is a no-no. So after repeal, a straight soldier cannot go 20toes with his girlfriend because females are not allowed in his barracks. The guy next door, however, doesn't even have to sneak his boyfriend in.
Third, the military is absolute. A person whose religious beliefs run contrary to homosexuality either has to hold his tongue or will be treated harshly for his beliefs. Gay soldiers previously were treated harshly for their actions. We have essentially changed who we discriminate against.
Now, why do I no longer disagree? I think all of the above are valid points but I was recently color guard at my father's funeral in ful uniform with my nephew. My WWII veteran uncle who has never spoken of his time at war (he was under Patton) opened up about his time after the funeral. He is from a town of about 1000 people, survived the Dust Bowl, and is a good Christian man. This line changed my mind:
"Alot of queers in the war. Gawd-o-mighty alot of queers. Hmmpf. Good fighters, though, alot of them.. good fighters."
If he can handle it, so can I.
Posted by: y7 at December 22, 2010 09:18 AM (T0dFH)
Posted by: Kerry at December 22, 2010 09:28 AM (a/VXa)
However, there is an advantage no one ever mentions. The policy has often been abused by heterosexuals who, having completed lengthy, expensive training and/or security clearances on the government dime, use it to duck their remaining service obligation. Contractors make a lot more than E-4s and there isn't much stigma attached to being gay/lesbian anymore. So they turn around and announce to their commanders, "sir, I'm a homo and I engage in homo conduct. Guess you'll just have to throw me out now." And as DADT is currently implemented, yes, they do. Infuriating.
I'll be very glad to see that sh1t stop. While repealing DADT arguably replaces one problem with another, it's not like the gay/lesbian demographic will now sign up in droves. It's mostly a symbolic victory - the only kind the left cares about - and I think (hope) the problem will turn out to be mostly symbolic too.
Posted by: stc at December 22, 2010 09:36 AM (te+yd)
Funny, I don't remember seeing a single dedicated DADT thread on AoSHQ since the Senate shenanigans on Saturday.
Posted by: Leo Ladenson at December 22, 2010 09:45 AM (mAm+G)
Posted by: General Patton at December 22, 2010 10:27 AM (mQMnK)
Stepping on an IED to save your friends is alright, but TRUE bravery is serving in the military and not being allowed to tell everyone you are a pole-smoker. That kind of noble,silent suffering is the stuff that Medals Of Honor are made.
Posted by: The Drizzle at December 22, 2010 10:30 AM (ysCLj)
Posted by: The Drizzle at December 22, 2010 10:37 AM (ysCLj)
Posted by: archie bunker at December 22, 2010 10:44 AM (0YS61)
Posted by: drizzler's battlefield buddy at December 22, 2010 10:46 AM (0YS61)
Screwed up and post the following on the wrong thread (moved here);
Odd if not extremely wierd that our nation has more empathy for the poster child of DADT (Manning) then someone who tried vainly to get a simple question answered (Lakin).
One significantly compromised our National Security on a level that most would not be terribly upset if they shot the PFC.
The other, well, currently has lost his commission, pay, career/retirement for wondering on all our behalf as to whether the POTUS/CIC has the bona fides to hold his office and delegate military Authority.
Self-righteous Fags have greater influence on our national conscience then Selfless-service Patriots.
Wow. Freakin' shameful, if you wonder as to my current POV.
Pieter Nosworthy
1SG, USA
Posted by: Pieter Nosworthy at December 22, 2010 11:07 AM (BFncK)
We don't
They show up unbidden when our need is greatest. It has always been so. It will always be so.
There are these few men who are never seen and most don't know they are one of them. They wait. They watch. When they're called, they willing stand in the gap. They are the ones who hold the ground, take the hill, and save the day.
Afterward others tell the tale and THEN these men are called heroes.
Posted by: Blacksmith8 at December 22, 2010 11:12 AM (1eQjo)
Another aspect that I've never really heard anyone mention: gays & lesbians - particularly those inclined to military service - may PREFER to keep their orientation quiet. I served with quite a few "queers" myself (10 years ago). We knew, they knew we knew, but we all tacitly kept up the polite fiction, and it was all good.
I can't see a single one of them, say, skipping up to formation and breaking into song, thrilled to finally be able to unburden themselves to everyone they know, that they are into [whatever deviant sex acts]. Just about all of my Air Force dentists were gay. They'd talk about travels with their "partners" while they did their excellent work. They were serious people in serious relationships, and as discreet about their bedroom activities as any hetero in a serious relationship.
It concerns me that now people like that might feel required to come out, or that some gay-baiting jerk will shatter that polite fiction that made it all work, because it's no longer required. Paradoxically enough, repealing DADT may actually create problems for homosexuals who are not of the "out & proud" variety - who tend to loathe and avoid the military anyway. As ever, the law of unintended consequences will very likely harm those it was intended to protect.
Posted by: stc at December 22, 2010 11:35 AM (te+yd)
133 ...We knew, they knew we knew, but we all tacitly kept up the polite fiction, and it was all good.
Uh, right, but has it occurred to you they had to keep up that polite fiction in order to stay in the military, whereas under the new policy, they won't? Doh.
Posted by: General Patton at December 22, 2010 11:44 AM (mQMnK)
the services better outline the new seperate living quarters very quickly or you will see a rash of departures and a drop in recuitment ...
I don't doubt that 99% of guys won't care if their comrade is gay as long as they don't have to live with them in the very un-private living quarters that most enlisted men live in today ...
fix the living arrangements and things will go smoothly ...
Posted by: Jeff at December 22, 2010 11:49 AM (A3tpD)
"could we not have it devolve into a bunch of "jokes" about gays that 3rd graders would find too childish?"
You're absolutely right, Drew. I had a great watermelon joke, but I'm not going to post it!
Posted by: Haley Balboa at December 22, 2010 01:10 PM (mQMnK)
There are many that don't feel that way. Those are the draftees that made up Lt. Calley's outfit. Those people are why I enlisted with Mother Green instead of waiting for the draft and the Army and a shorter enlistment. I was neither a hero nor a hee-row, merely a guy that once wore Uncle's suit. I served with a few men who did not like girls the way the rest of us did, a few were troublemakers who we got rid of. It is very easy to get rid of someone who does not fit in with a Rifle Platoon. The rest? Did their jobs, the same way the rest of us did.
Mostly we had two man holes with one awake and the other sleeping. Rarely, too rarely, we had enough men in the Platoon for three man holes with two sleeping and one watching. That was real luxury. What we cared about was that the one watching stayed alert so that we didn't wake up with a Gomer in the hole with us. We also didn't want to wake up with anyone's hand on our dicks but our own. Other than that, we wanted to not come home in a big silver box.
I don't think those kids today who are wearing Uncle's suit are that much different than me, or my Dad who wore Uncle's suit in WW2, or my grand-dad who served in WW1 or my GGGrandfather who took the walkin' tour through Georgia with Cump Sherman. Only the boots are different, the feet are the same. American volunteers, God love 'em.
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