March 27, 2010

Holder's "Hundreds" of Successful Terror Prosecutions Claim Crumbles
— Gabriel Malor

Yesterday afternoon I tweeted:

Friday document dump. DOJ releases terror prosecution stats: http://is.gd/b0Gco #tcot

Because I just knew that if DOJ was going public with the information late on a Friday afternoon, it would be bad for AG Holder. The Obama Administration has had a Friday document dump almost every week for a year, where they try to bury bad news. Yesterday's was no different.

But the claim that there are 403 terrorists in custody is absurd. DOJ arrives at this figure by counting what it describes as two categories of case. The first involves real terrorism charges. Sounds fair enough, but what types of "terrorism charges" are they counting? Well they include, for example, convictions under statutes barring "Animal Enterprise Terrorism," "Narco-terrorism," "crimes against internationally protected persons" (which can be terrorism-related but are not necessarily), hostage-taking (ditto), and offenses like harboring terrorists and material support to terrorism (which are surely terrorism-related, and involve assistance provided to terrorists, but are charges generally brought against facilitators, not actual terrorists).

Not exactly KSM. But these Category I cases, though they blatantly goose up DOJ's numbers, don't account for most of DOJ's claimed 403 terrorists. Over sixty percent belong to "Category II," which Justice, without a hint of apology, describes as follows:

Category II cases include defendants charged with violating a variety of other statutes where the investigation involved an identified link to international terrorism. These Category II cases include offenses such as those involving fraud, immigration, firearms, drugs, false statements, perjury, and obstruction of justice, as well as general conspiracy charges [i.e., cases that charge other kinds of conspiracies, not terrorism conspiracies].

So Holder's idiotic claim that the criminal justice system is suited to trying Al Qaeda terrorists, particularly the Guantanamo Bay detainees, comes crumbling down. Unless they're planning to charge KSM with perjury, they'd be better off sticking with military tribunals.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 09:41 AM | Comments (42)
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1 These Category II cases include offenses such as those involving fraud, immigration, firearms, drugs, false statements, perjury, and obstruction of justice, as well as general conspiracy charges [i.e., cases that charge other kinds of conspiracies, not terrorism conspiracies]. We'll be adding extreme right-wing blogging to that list, boy. What the hell, we'll throw in "owning incandescent light bulbs," just for good measure.

Posted by: Eric Holder, bravely discussing race at March 27, 2010 09:44 AM (AZGON)

2 Surely you didn't believe him in the first place. He is a damn Democrap which means he is incapable of opening his mouth without lying.

Posted by: Vic at March 27, 2010 09:45 AM (QrA9E)

3
Wow, someone from this administration is lying? 

Unprecedented!

Posted by: Dang Straights at March 27, 2010 09:46 AM (ch+Fr)

4 I'm just surprised they didn't add the 30,000 TEA guys from the last rally to the count.

Posted by: Al at March 27, 2010 09:47 AM (kzhBw)

5 Wow, someone from this administration is lying? 

Unprecedented!

Posted by: Dang Straights at March 27, 2010 01:46 PM (ch+Fr)

Son, we inherited these lies from the last administration.

Posted by: Sherriff Joe, One Heart Beat Away at March 27, 2010 09:50 AM (YX6i/)

6 How did I get to be a terrorist?

Posted by: convicted for passing bad checks at March 27, 2010 09:51 AM (4Kl5M)

7  So, in short, when Holder's DOJ catches a guy with a bomb in his rectum and lets the guy plead to overstaying his visa and sends him home to a heroes' welcome in Yemen, it's a successful terrorist prosecution.

Maybe all of us who will be turning on the floodlights at 830 tonight better be watching for those black helicopters trying to run up their Category II statistics.

Posted by: mrkwong at March 27, 2010 09:52 AM (G8Eo0)

8 Idiotic claim? Let's see, Holder is an idiot and he makes a claim. Who could have seen that coming?
 

Posted by: kansas at March 27, 2010 09:53 AM (M2plq)

9 We're on Big Sis list, so a few of us are probably in the Cat II numbers.

Posted by: returning vets at March 27, 2010 09:54 AM (ucq49)

10 Well, when we elect an unqualified political hack as President, and he appoints unqualified political hacks to high office like (but not limited to) Attorney General, what should we expect?

Posted by: Adjoran at March 27, 2010 09:58 AM (3hg5M)

11 Maybe all of us who will be turning on the floodlights at 830 tonight Earth hour?

Posted by: fluffy can't keep up at March 27, 2010 10:00 AM (4Kl5M)

12

"Earth hour?"

The alarmists want everyone to turn off their lights for one hr in support of GoreBull Worming.

Posted by: MDr at March 27, 2010 10:02 AM (ucq49)

13 the wheels on the bus go thunp thunp thunp

Posted by: Barbarian at March 27, 2010 10:03 AM (EL+OC)

14 Please write letters to the editors for your local newspapers ridiculing these idiots.

Getting people to laugh at these commies and their 60's rhetoric would be helpful.

All of you guys are funny and smart.

Posted by: non_dhimmie at March 27, 2010 10:04 AM (zACGu)

15 12

"Earth hour?"

The alarmists want everyone to turn off their lights for one hr in support of GoreBull Worming.


What will happen to the power grid when everyone turns their lights back on at the same time?

Posted by: Barbarian at March 27, 2010 10:06 AM (EL+OC)

16 The alarmists want everyone to turn off their lights for one hr in support of GoreBull Worming. Feh. Won't have many lights on, but the TV will be running, along with the furnace.

Posted by: fluffy can't keep up at March 27, 2010 10:07 AM (4Kl5M)

17 What will happen to the power grid when everyone turns their lights back on at the same time?

LOL, nothing. I have been trying to tell everyone for months that home lighting is a minuscule load on the grid equivalent to pissing in the ocean.

That is why this CFL crap is such a scam.

Posted by: Vic at March 27, 2010 10:10 AM (QrA9E)

18

"Feh. Won't have many lights on, but the TV will be running, along with the furnace."

My car lights will be on in addition to every light in the house.  Wait, I think The large tree out front still has Christmas lights on it!  They'll be on too.  Planning on burning some rubbish out back.

My only regret - I don't have a tree that I can spare for felling.  I'd chainsaw that sucka for the full hr.  Piece by piece.

Posted by: MDr hates eco-weenies at March 27, 2010 10:12 AM (ucq49)

19 Fuck Holder Fuck Obama Fuck pelosi Fuck Reid Fuck Dick Turban Suck Barney Fwank Fuck Chris Dodd Fuck them all. They are all criminals.

Posted by: Billyj at March 27, 2010 10:17 AM (cEsEv)

20

Quoting the article that Malor cites as addressing the "Friday document dump":

"In the Justice DepartmentÂ’s 2009 budget request, submitted in February 2008, the Bush administration trumpeted 319 convictions or guilty pleas in terrorism or terrorism-related cases since Sept. 11, 2001 . . . ."

I doubt that Holder's terrorist count uses any different classifications than were used under the Bush administration. 

Posted by: Neil McKenna at March 27, 2010 10:17 AM (EWXkz)

21 When Holder decides to spend more time with his family, it'll be released on a Friday afternoon, too.

Posted by: SlaveDog at March 27, 2010 10:17 AM (W+E+o)

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b+tard at March 27, 2010 10:19 AM (GB1aU)

23 >>I doubt that Holder's terrorist count uses any different classifications than were used under the Bush administration.

I doubt that you know for sure, or you would have provided a link or some facts.

Posted by: SlaveDog at March 27, 2010 10:19 AM (W+E+o)

24 But don't you DARE accuse the libs as being soft on terror!

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors and Buckets of Scorn for the Left at March 27, 2010 10:24 AM (erIg9)

25

I doubt that Holder's terrorist count uses any different classifications than were used under the Bush administration. 

Posted by: Neil McKenna at March 27, 2010 02:17 PM (EWXkz)

You're probably right.  Bush was famous for using the "jobs created or saved" bullshit measure.  I believe that John Ashcroft was the first to note that America was "a nation of cowards" and said that the black panther swould be pardoned from any crimes they might commit that are caught on video for the whole nation to see ...

Yep.  I think you're right, Neil.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at March 27, 2010 10:26 AM (Qp4DT)

26

"To be fair, Holder has successfully prosecuted more terrorists than his boss has created jobs."

I've been thinking, but I can't beat that.  Kudos

Posted by: MDr stumped at March 27, 2010 10:28 AM (ucq49)

27

Unlike the other thread, Gabe's +100% on this one (FTR, I'd score -25% on the other). 

This week's two-sentence release order a genuine high-profile terrorist outweighs any claim based on numbers - more so where the numbers are pure bullshit. 

Holder's tenure has run its course.  He's going to be cut loose well before November so the Dems can roll out the "War on Man-Caused Disasters Strategy 2.0" in time to lie their way back into office.  They're just letting Holder write himself a favorable obituary first.

Expect to see Obama and the Blue Running-Dogs using the word "terrorism" again, maybe even "evil" - he's turned every other Bush card when his national security numbers have tanked, so why not ?  Once he's gone you won't hear one peep about civilian trials again.

 

Posted by: Societyis2blame at March 27, 2010 10:30 AM (7ZyYf)

28 SlaveDog - I wouldn't at all be surprised if the Holder DOJ used the same classifications as under Bush. 

The difference is that this administration is trying to hold up these numbers as evidence of a system robust and effective enough to properly dispose of folks like KSM.

Remember, part of the reason that we've got an Eric Holder at Justice reporting to a Barack Obama in the White House is that the last administration dicked around for year after year after year failing to put these guys on trial. 

The Bush administration's fecklessness forced the courts' hands and gave the Democrats another talking point.

Posted by: mrkwong at March 27, 2010 10:34 AM (G8Eo0)

29 That guy who broke into my house last year and stole about 20 bucks worth of change?  Criminal.  The guy who snowed 52% of the population into voting for some dopey promise of hope and change?  Well, he terrifies me.

Posted by: huerfano at March 27, 2010 10:43 AM (gLSaO)

30 the last administration dicked around for year after year after year failing to put these guys on trial. 

Q: How many captured Nazis and Japanese war criminals were "put on trial" prior to VE/VJ days?


Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 27, 2010 10:47 AM (DzIiI)

31 Again, this all assumes that unlawful enemy combatants even need to be "tried"; they can all rot under detention until the end of hostilities in the next century under the law of war.

Posted by: sladenyv at March 27, 2010 10:57 AM (saiGq)

32 Oh, and formal German trials of Nazis and SS members continued well into the 1970's.  That would be almost 30 years after the end of hostilities.

To bash Bush for holding off is completely fucking irrational based on past precedent.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 27, 2010 10:58 AM (DzIiI)

33 "Holder's "Hundreds" of Successful Terror Prosecutions Claim Crumbles"Of course it does - Obama and his minions can't do math.

Posted by: zmdavid at March 27, 2010 11:12 AM (WKBtm)

34

the last administration dicked around for year after year after year failing to put these guys on trial. 

 

Actually, the ACLU, ABA, and Dims fought the Bush admin tooth & nail, challenging each and everything.  Therein lies the fault.

Posted by: MDr VB CS at March 27, 2010 11:35 AM (ucq49)

35 Does ANYONE in this country believe ANYTHING Holder says?

Posted by: GarandFan at March 27, 2010 12:09 PM (6mwMs)

36 Earth Hour??  Save "Mother Gaia"??

Fuck that shit.

I'm raping that fat bitch in the ass tonight with everything I got. EVERY fucking light, TV, DVD player, computer, radio and electrical appliance in the crib will be on. I'm gonna rewash the clean dishes in the dishwasher. I'm gonna start a fire in the fireplace and run the central air at 60 degrees. I'm gonna fire up some charcoal on the grill and crank up the lawnmower and let it sit and idle without cutting a single fucking blade of grass. I'm gonna start up the U.S.S. EXPEDITION SUV O'DOOM and let it idle without moving an inch with the A/C cranking and anything else I can think of to use as much electricity and put as much CO2 in the air as I can.

And anybody that don't like it can toss my salad.

Posted by: FORGER - Racist Czar at March 27, 2010 12:23 PM (Q3RYY)

37

You RETHUGS seem to forget the BOOOOSH's pastor used to yell GOD DAMN AMERICA.  And Booooooosh's Mommy and Daddy were commies.

Posted by: gus at March 27, 2010 12:47 PM (Vqruj)

38 "These Category II cases include offenses such as those involving fraud, immigration, firearms, drugs, false statements, perjury, and obstruction of justice, as well as general conspiracy charges [i.e., cases that charge other kinds of conspiracies, not terrorism conspiracies]."

ACORN is a terrorist organization involving fraud.

Count all of the illegal aliens to pump up the number of terrorists, EXCEPT that they don't get charged with anything, despite the Mexican war on the border crossing over with firearms, drugs, military helicopters and armed SUVs.

False statements? Count all of the Democrats in Congress and this Administration.

Perjury? Then Bill Clinton was a terrorist.

Posted by: maverick muse at March 28, 2010 04:03 AM (H+LJc)

39

Barack Obama, Michelle Obama, Eric Holder and Rahm Emanuel are evil, evidence that Satan's best trick was when he convinced people that he doesn't exist.

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