July 02, 2010
— DrewM They're getting ready to put the old Klansman in the ground and once they do, looks like there will be a fight over how to replace him in the Senate.
The W. Virginia Secretary of State says the Governor can appoint someone to hold the seat until a Special Election is held in 2012. For his own reasons, namely he wants the seat, he's on board with that plan.
Not everyone is going along with the idea. The state Attorney General says he may have a different take on the law than the Secretary of State, the legislature may change the law in an upcoming special session and failing all of that, lawsuits are being prepared.
The state attorney general’s office announced Wednesday that it was looking into it, too, because, Chief Deputy Attorney General Fran Hughes said, “people don’t want for such an important position a caretaker replacement.”Gubernatorial politics are factoring into the calculus. Manchin, the popular two-term governor whom Democrats say has been eyeing the Senate for years, told reporters Monday that he would not appoint himself to the seat. But if the election were held in 2010, and Manchin were to run and win, the ripple effect from his early departure would have a significant impact on the 2012 governor’s race.
“Right now, there are many people in West Virginia talking about many different options,” said Larry Puccio, the West Virginia Democratic Party chairman and a Manchin ally. “One of the options is that many individuals believe that we should have a special election, and they would ask the governor and the Legislature to put that on the special session. One of the options is asking the courts to interpret the law.”
West Virginia is still a pretty Democratic state but if a Republican can replace Ted Kennedy, one can certainly replace Exalted Cyclops Byrd.
Speaking of Bobby Byrds KKK past, via Allah, it turns out that it's no big deal. You see, he was running for office. So says....America's first black President, Bill Clinton.
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Posted by: toby928 at July 02, 2010 11:29 AM (4WbTI)
"He once had a fleeting association with the Ku Klux Klan, what does that mean?
Well, that depends upon the definition of "fleeting" doesn't it Slick? We talking geologic time here?
Posted by: maddogg at July 02, 2010 11:32 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Insomniac at July 02, 2010 11:34 AM (DrWcr)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at July 02, 2010 11:34 AM (4wDTG)
He knocked up a black chick?
Posted by: Sponge at July 02, 2010 11:35 AM (UK9cE)
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 02, 2010 11:35 AM (2g2ex)
It makes more sense when the BOLD part is included.....guh. I suck.
Posted by: Sponge at July 02, 2010 11:35 AM (UK9cE)
This damned democrat crap is so freaking confusing. This reminds me so much of the vaginal vs. uteral orgasm pap of several years ago.
How the hell do they keep straight the fact that they have no convictions, the lies they tell about having convictions, the lies they tell about the value of having no convictions, and the lies they tell about the convictions they lie about having!
Damned confusing if you ask me.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 02, 2010 11:36 AM (r1h5M)
Joined the fucking Klan to get elected, but was repulsed by them?
Shit, he killed those people because he was trying to get elected.
Goes to show you, all politicians think it's ok to say anything to keep their job. Whores, all of them.
Posted by: gator at July 02, 2010 11:36 AM (aOKEC)
Geez that chick in the bikini on the left side bar is staring right at me!
Oh yeah and Byrds sucks blah blah blah........
Posted by: Sharp Knives and Loud Guns at July 02, 2010 11:37 AM (l6isY)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 02, 2010 11:37 AM (0QJjg)
How does one have a "fleeting association" with the Klan and become a 'Kleagle' and 'Exalted Cyclops' ?
If the association was so "fleeting" how come he filibustered the Civil Rights Act as a Democrat over twenty years later ?
Posted by: Blazer at July 02, 2010 11:38 AM (t72+4)
Geez that chick in the bikini on the left side bar is staring right at me!
Oh yeah and Byrds sucks blah blah blah........
And I just get f'ing M&M adds......sucks to be me.
Posted by: Sponge at July 02, 2010 11:39 AM (UK9cE)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 02, 2010 11:40 AM (5aa4z)
Whores, all of them.
Posted by: gator at July 02, 2010 03:36 PM (aOKEC)
They better watch it or else they might get raped by a wild pack of n***ers.
Posted by: Mel Gibson at July 02, 2010 11:40 AM (t72+4)
Posted by: maddogg at July 02, 2010 11:40 AM (OlN4e)
John Edwards ruled out fucking around on your cancer-stricken wife and screaming about "Two Americas" while paying $400 for a haircut.
Posted by: gator at July 02, 2010 11:40 AM (aOKEC)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 02, 2010 11:40 AM (5aa4z)
Posted by: Rocks at July 02, 2010 11:40 AM (Q1lie)
Posted by: Mother Jones at July 02, 2010 11:40 AM (SZy+Y)
Posted by: Blazer at July 02, 2010 03:38 PM (t72+4)
This kind of goes back to my previous comment but, I think that it wasn't the black people he hated, it was the colored ones... I think.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 02, 2010 11:41 AM (r1h5M)
If the association was so "fleeting" how come he filibustered the Civil Rights Act as a Democrat over twenty years later ?
Because the people of the great state of West Virginy are so racist and so intolerant, the good Senator had to stay in the KKK to keep his cover and stay in office.
Besides, it all depends on what the definition of being in the KKK is.
Posted by: Billy Jeff at July 02, 2010 11:41 AM (9hSKh)
How does one have a "fleeting association" with the Klan and become a 'Kleagle' and 'Exalted Cyclops' ?
If the association was so "fleeting" how come he filibustered the Civil Rights Act as a Democrat over twenty years later ?
Posted by: Blazer at July 02, 2010 03:38 PM (t72+4)
Consider the source - a man willing to parse the definition of a simple state-of-being verb.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 02, 2010 11:42 AM (DrWcr)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at July 02, 2010 11:44 AM (4wDTG)
Posted by: sTevo at July 02, 2010 11:45 AM (zIUsq)
Posted by: Bobby Byrd's Dead Corpse at July 02, 2010 11:45 AM (aOKEC)
They do it by not giving a rat's ass about consistency.
Fuck 'em. They are evil, and they do not hold themselves accountable to either facts or reason.
Did you ever see the Dan Aykroyd version of Dragnet? The bad guys were an organization called P.A.G.A.N. That stood for People Against Goodness And Normalcy. That's what the left and democrats are.
Posted by: MikeO at July 02, 2010 11:46 AM (lBmZl)
Billy Jeff also basically said that joining the Klan was the only way one could get elected in '40's and 50's West Virginny. So basically he just admitted what most of us already know. Democrats will stoop to any length imaginable just to get elected.
However, Byrd was a member long before he decided to run for office.
Posted by: Blazer at July 02, 2010 11:48 AM (t72+4)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at July 02, 2010 11:49 AM (4wDTG)
Posted by: maddogg at July 02, 2010 11:49 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Bobby Byrd's Dead Corpse at July 02, 2010 11:49 AM (aOKEC)
Heh. In shithead bubba's case, it's better to call it a copula verb. It just sounds dirtier.
Posted by: MikeO at July 02, 2010 11:49 AM (lBmZl)
Ironic that the Klansman was eulogized by a black man.
Posted by: sTevo at July 02, 2010 03:45 PM (zIUsq)
Its a gottdam shame he din't shine my shoes before they closed the lid. I hope they at least made him put on some white gloves and serve drinks and park cars at the wake.
Posted by: Sen. Robert Byrd's Ghost at July 02, 2010 11:50 AM (t72+4)
"And maybe he did something he shouldn't have done come and he spent the rest of his life making it up. And that's what a good person does. There are no perfect people. There are certainly no perfect politicians," he added.
So, if we accept Clinton's assertion that Byrd's association with the Klan was "fleeting," then by Clinton's definition, a good person is one who does the following:
- Writes to the national KKK leader to declare that "The Klan is needed today as never before, and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia";
- Writes to a Southern Democrat Senator to declare that he would never agree to serve in the military alongside a Black man, saying, "Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels";
- Filibusters the Civil Rights Act of 1965.
Or maybe Clinton thinks Byrd didn't mean any of those things either, and only did them to stay elected.
Apparently Bill Clinton is okay with a man espousing the most vile political and social beliefs because the end of getting elected justifies whatever means one must use to achieve it.
Posted by: stuiec at July 02, 2010 11:50 AM (W+GYq)
Byrd is one West Virginian who will be forgotten.
Jesco White, the Dancing Outlaw, is one who will never be forgotten.
Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 02, 2010 11:51 AM (0QJjg)
Posted by: stuiec at July 02, 2010 11:52 AM (W+GYq)
Apparently Bill Clinton is okay with a man espousing the most vile political and social beliefs because the end of getting elected justifies whatever means one must use to achieve it.
Well, if he wasn't OK with it, how would he look at himself in the mirror long enough to shave in the morning?
Posted by: maddogg at July 02, 2010 11:53 AM (OlN4e)
Ahh, the manufactured outrage is strong in this thread. Mmmm.
So Byrd joined the Klan. Big deal. It is not up to A to be outraged on behalf of B. If blacks don't care, you shouldn't care. If you are genuinely upset that most blacks don't think the way you do, well... so was the Klan.
For those whose heads haven't exploded yet: several Ace commenters in good standing are latter-day supporters of the Confederacy - you know who you are. That "Peculiar Institution" was the Klan-plus; it had the same system of "night riders" keeping down the helots. And of course the original Klan / Knights Of The Camellia / etc drew their membership from Confederate veterans.
To sum up: LOL, LOL, and LOL.
Posted by: Zimriel at July 02, 2010 11:53 AM (9Sbz+)
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 02, 2010 11:53 AM (r1h5M)
For the life of me I can't recall or think of one moron who posts here being from West Virginia. So thats proof positive right there that West Virginians are dumber than amoebas and why they keep putting trash like the Kleagle in office for over 50 years.
Posted by: Blazer at July 02, 2010 11:53 AM (t72+4)
Posted by: Truman North at July 02, 2010 11:54 AM (e8YaH)
Good to be in heaven, except they let that damned Jew in here.
Posted by: The Corpse Man Bobby Byrd at July 02, 2010 11:54 AM (aOKEC)
Jesco White, the Dancing Outlaw, is one who will never be forgotten.
YES!
I can't believe someone else knows of Jesco. He's a favorite of mine!!
Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 02, 2010 11:55 AM (pLTLS)
Ahh, the manufactured outrage is strong in this thread. Mmmm.
So Byrd joined the Klan. Big deal. It is not up to A to be outraged on behalf of B. If blacks don't care, you shouldn't care. If you are genuinely upset that most blacks don't think the way you do, well... so was the Klan.
For those whose heads haven't exploded yet: several Ace commenters in good standing are latter-day supporters of the Confederacy - you know who you are. That "Peculiar Institution" was the Klan-plus; it had the same system of "night riders" keeping down the helots. And of course the original Klan / Knights Of The Camellia / etc drew their membership from Confederate veterans.
To sum up: LOL, LOL, and LOL.
Posted by: Zimriel at July 02, 2010 03:53 PM (9Sbz+)
Holy shit! What have we done! You stopped us just in time!
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 02, 2010 11:55 AM (r1h5M)
• Odd First Impressions: Upon arriving at a Charleston riverfront club to load in, the band spies an ambulance parked on the bridge, lights flashing.
“What’s going on up there?”
“Oh, some guy threatening to jump off... just a suicide attempt. Welcome to West Virginia.”
Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 02, 2010 11:56 AM (0QJjg)
Posted by: Zimriel at July 02, 2010 03:53 PM (9Sbz+)
And who are these insidious bad apples you speak of?
Posted by: maddogg at July 02, 2010 11:56 AM (OlN4e)
I have his video, although I can't play it anymore since I don't have a function VHS.
Posted by: toby928 at July 02, 2010 11:56 AM (4WbTI)
Posted by: Ian S. at July 02, 2010 11:57 AM (p05LM)
Uh. That haven't existed for 145 years. You do realize that, don't you?
How many supporters of the Byzantine Empire are present? C'mon. Fess up.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 02, 2010 11:58 AM (5aa4z)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 02, 2010 03:58 PM (5aa4z)
*raises hand*
Posted by: Zombie Emperor Constantine at July 02, 2010 11:59 AM (DrWcr)
So Byrd joined the Klan. Big deal. It is not up to A to be outraged on behalf of B. If blacks don't care, you shouldn't care. If you are genuinely upset that most blacks don't think the way you do, well... so was the Klan.
Posted by: Zimriel at July 02, 2010 03:53 PM (9Sbz+)
What about us Jews? Or the "Papists"? Are we allowed to be outraged on our own behalf?
Posted by: stuiec at July 02, 2010 11:59 AM (W+GYq)
Ahhhh, we've been expecting you dear Senator, sorry for the wait, but business is bustling. Now what will it be , Idi Amin's man servant or John Allen Muhammed's rickshaw boy ?
Everyone has a job down here, idle hands are the devils playground as they say........hahahaha..... a little hell humor for ya' Bobby........anyway, take your pick.
Posted by: Satan at July 02, 2010 12:00 PM (t72+4)
How many supporters of the Byzantine Empire are present? C'mon. Fess up.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 02, 2010 03:58 PM (5aa4z)
Ok, dammit, I admit it! Is that so wrong?
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 02, 2010 12:00 PM (r1h5M)
Posted by: Truman North at July 02, 2010 12:01 PM (e8YaH)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at July 02, 2010 12:02 PM (4wDTG)
Yes.
Posted by: The Pope at July 02, 2010 04:02 PM (5aa4z)
Papist! Get off my lawn!
Posted by: Robert Byrd at July 02, 2010 12:03 PM (DrWcr)
Yes.
Posted by: The Pope at July 02, 2010 04:02 PM (5aa4z)
Shit!
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 02, 2010 12:03 PM (r1h5M)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 02, 2010 03:58 PM (5aa4z)
Polish guy says present.
Posted by: sTevo at July 02, 2010 12:04 PM (zIUsq)
Well, if he wasn't OK with it, how would he look at himself in the mirror long enough to shave in the morning?
Posted by: maddogg at July 02, 2010 03:53 PM (OlN4e)
Yup. But what do we expect from a protege of Sen. Fulbright? I am sure it was at Fulbright's knee that Clinton learned that race-baiting was perfectly fine if it was a necessary component of a successful political campaign.
Posted by: stuiec at July 02, 2010 12:04 PM (W+GYq)
How many supporters of the Rebel Alliance are present? You guys know who you are, speak up.
Posted by: Darth Vader at July 02, 2010 04:02 PM (t72+4)
*slumps down in chair, trying not to be noticed*
Posted by: Wedge Antilles at July 02, 2010 12:04 PM (DrWcr)
So, if you don't have a vagina, rape is okey-dokey? Unless it's anal rape, right, 'cause everybody's got assholes.
Posted by: huerfano at July 02, 2010 12:04 PM (rqC5o)
How many supporters of queers are in the audience tonight? You guys know who you are, get up against the wall
Posted by: Pink at July 02, 2010 12:05 PM (t72+4)
Bet they hooked him to the PTO of an old Ford and screwed his crooked ass into the mountainside.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 02, 2010 12:05 PM (5aa4z)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 02, 2010 03:58 PM (5aa4z)
--Well, me, at least until they fucked up against the Saracen hordes.
Posted by: logprof at July 02, 2010 12:05 PM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2010 12:06 PM (bXHdf)
Posted by: Darth Vader at July 02, 2010 04:02 PM (t72+4)
I'm not covering anyone.
Posted by: porkins at July 02, 2010 12:06 PM (4WbTI)
*slumps down in chair, trying not to be noticed*
Posted by: Wedge Antilles at July 02, 2010 04:04 PM (DrWcr)
Red Leader is a part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor, take him away !
Anybody else need confession ?
Posted by: Darth Vader at July 02, 2010 12:07 PM (t72+4)
1. Molesting women? Perk of office baby!
2. Being in the Klan? Ain't no thing.
3. Rape? Doesn't count if you're an artiste.
Posted by: alexthechick at July 02, 2010 12:07 PM (ctFPm)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at July 02, 2010 12:08 PM (4wDTG)
Actually I'm partial to the Odrysian kingdom of Thracians, myself.
Epikaloúmai Zbeltiurdos kai Némesis!
Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 02, 2010 12:08 PM (0QJjg)
Rape? Doesn't count if you're an artiste.
Posted by: alexthechick at July 02, 2010 04:07 PM (ctFPm)
That wouldn't happen if you didn't dress like a whore.
Posted by: Mel Gibson at July 02, 2010 12:08 PM (t72+4)
4. If you left $90,000 in the freezer, don't panic and have the Army take you through floodwaters to fetch it -- it won't spoil.
Posted by: stuiec at July 02, 2010 12:09 PM (W+GYq)
Posted by: alexthechick at July 02, 2010 04:07 PM (ctFPm)
Not if you give them champagne and a Quaalude first, it doesn't.
Posted by: Roman Polanski at July 02, 2010 12:10 PM (DrWcr)
I wonder how Trent Lott feels today.
Hard to imagine having my opinion of Bubba Clinton and Osama Obama lowered even more, but there you are....
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 02, 2010 12:10 PM (Ulu3i)
Posted by: toby928 at July 02, 2010 12:11 PM (4WbTI)
Hey guys. I'm gonna go watch "Zulu" because... you know... I hate black people.
/sarc* obviously, muthaaaas!
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 02, 2010 12:12 PM (r1h5M)
2. Being in the Klan? Ain't no thing.
3. Rape? Doesn't count if you're an artiste.
Posted by: alexthechick at July 02, 2010 04:07 PM (ctFPm)
4. Don't forget smokin' crack if you're black.
Posted by: Marion Barry at July 02, 2010 12:13 PM (BP6Z1)
All the fuss and adoration for the now-room-temperature Kleagle/Exalted Cyclops contrasts nicely with the howls of outrage when anyone dared speak well of that other unrepentant racist, Strom Thurmond, doesn't it?
It's a good thing everyone in attendance had their irony meters turned off so they wouldn't overload or else where the church once stood would be a crater the size of the one in Arizona.
Posted by: Blazer at July 02, 2010 12:13 PM (t72+4)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at July 02, 2010 12:15 PM (4wDTG)
Is Ace sleeping off yesterday's ill-gotten booty?
Posted by: toby928 at July 02, 2010 04:11 PM (4WbTI)
Probably. Somebody needs to find out which dumpster he's sleeping in the alley behind a porno shop in NYC and wake his ass up.
Posted by: Blazer at July 02, 2010 12:15 PM (t72+4)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose which is a reference to the animal in the deer family not the religion of peace. at July 02, 2010 12:16 PM (0q2P7)
Is Ace sleeping off yesterday's ill-gotten booty?
Posted by: toby928 at July 02, 2010 04:11 PM (4WbTI)
Yub yub!
Posted by: Wicket at July 02, 2010 12:17 PM (DrWcr)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2010 12:17 PM (mUyfo)
Re: slick willie the molester's comments about Sheets, just when you think the democrats have hit bottom, they start digging again.
Posted by: Dang Straights at July 02, 2010 12:18 PM (fx8sm)
Its no big deal, nothing to see here. I once courted the Empire while attempting to keep my Senate seat.
Ninja gotta eat.
Posted by: Senator Palpatine at July 02, 2010 12:18 PM (t72+4)
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 02, 2010 04:10 PM (Ulu3i)
While Robert Byrd was joining and praising an organization that lynched Black men, Strom Thurmond was fighting that same organization.
"Three years later, he was elected a state senator. In 1938, he campaigned hard among his fellow legislators, and they elected him a circuit judge, which provided an opportunity for him to become known statewide and broaden his political contacts. In 1940, he called on the grand jury in Greenville to be ready to take action against the Ku Klux Klan, which, he said, represented 'the most abominable type of lawlessness.'
"In 1941, Mr. Thurmond joined the Army as a captain. After the invasion of Normandy, his unit was among the first to arrive at the Nazi death camp at Buchenwald. In 1996 he remembered the ways the Germans had murdered their victims -- by starvation or shooting or bashing in their skulls. 'I had never seen such inhuman acts in my life,' he said. 'I couldn't dream of men treating men in such a manner. It was awful.'
"Mr. Thurmond, as a war hero and a tireless campaigner, led the field [for Governor] in the first primary. In the runoff, he attacked his opponent for being insufficiently loyal to President Franklin D. Roosevelt. Mr. Thurmond won the runoff and the Democratic nomination, which was tantamount to election, with 56 percent of the vote. He became the 10th governor to come from Edgefield.
"A month after he took office in 1947, a mob in Greenville lynched a black man accused of robbing and killing a white taxi driver. As governor, Mr. Thurmond brought in a tough prosecutor, but a jury acquitted all 28 white defendants. Mr. Thurmond was widely praised for his efforts, and he said he believed the prosecution would deter lynchings in the future. South Carolina has never had another lynching."
Posted by: stuiec at July 02, 2010 12:18 PM (W+GYq)
Posted by: The Bus Boys at July 02, 2010 12:19 PM (4Kl5M)
Hey guys. I'm gonna go watch "Zulu" because... you know... I hate black people.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 02, 2010 04:12 PM (r1h5M)
They've got a good bass section, mind, but they've no top tenors.
Posted by: stuiec at July 02, 2010 12:22 PM (W+GYq)
Drill here, drill now;
and Drill baby drill.
Not just for Republicans anymore.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose which is a reference to the animal in the deer family not the religion of peace. at July 02, 2010 12:22 PM (0q2P7)
Robert Byrd was a KKK member longer than HITLER was A NAZI.
Think about that. Someone ought to tell B.J.CLINTON
Posted by: gus at July 02, 2010 12:22 PM (Vqruj)
And yet Bobby Turd swore he would never join a service that allowed black men to fight.
"Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds".
Man this shit makes me sick.
Posted by: Senator Palpatine at July 02, 2010 12:22 PM (t72+4)
Posted by: PKK at July 02, 2010 04:21 PM (9hSKh)
FREE KURDISTAN!*
* With purchase of Kosovo of equal or greater value.
Posted by: stuiec at July 02, 2010 12:23 PM (W+GYq)
Posted by: Democrat Party at July 02, 2010 12:23 PM (BP6Z1)
The New Hotness - Being in the KKK for several decades!
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 02, 2010 12:26 PM (9hSKh)
If I would have lived long enough to run for president my campaign slogan was gonna be:
Rope & Chains, Byrd 2012 !
Oh man, what coulda' been.
Posted by: Sen. Robert Byrd's Ghost at July 02, 2010 12:26 PM (t72+4)
Posted by: Your Local Heroin Addict at July 02, 2010 12:30 PM (iYbLN)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 02, 2010 12:31 PM (0QJjg)
Posted by: Your Local Heroin Addict at July 02, 2010 04:30 PM (iYbLN)
Oh hell, I'll confess: I have had a fleeting association with Twinkies and double cheeseburgers.
Posted by: Michael Moore at July 02, 2010 12:32 PM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: Zombie Al "Syphilis on the Brain" Capone at July 02, 2010 12:33 PM (iYbLN)
Lets not forget that when it comes to racists like Byrd and Reid they get a pass because they spent their entire lives giving away the plantation to the slaves to make up for their sins.
That's the Democrat translation anyway.
Posted by: Blazer at July 02, 2010 12:33 PM (t72+4)
Posted by: hutchy-wood at July 02, 2010 12:35 PM (bsE8h)
Hell, we're all inclusive. Even the basest of of depravities and perversions are welcomed, even encouraged...as long as we have your vote.
Posted by: The Democrat Party at July 02, 2010 12:35 PM (554T5)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at July 02, 2010 12:37 PM (4wDTG)
You die like Sen. Sheets. He looked as if he hasn't had a chakra release in a long time.
Posted by: Al Gore at July 02, 2010 12:38 PM (iYbLN)
Posted by: toby928 at July 02, 2010 12:39 PM (4WbTI)
Byrd is about as popular in Nevada, as Blutwurst in the mideast.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose which is a reference to the animal in the deer family not the religion of peace. at July 02, 2010 12:40 PM (0q2P7)
With all of the baggage Byrd carried if he would have dared switch parties like Sphincter did he would have been bounced out of D.C. like an over inflated kick ball. That would have been the only instance where the MSM and the DNC would have been outraged by the Kleagle's racist past.
Posted by: Blazer at July 02, 2010 12:43 PM (t72+4)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose which is a reference to the animal in the deer family not the religion of peace. at July 02, 2010 12:43 PM (0q2P7)
"Pssssttttttt....over here, Bob."
Posted by: Teddy talks in hell at July 02, 2010 04:38 PM (ZCXlk)
Splash, my main man.
Posted by: Sheets at July 02, 2010 12:44 PM (BP6Z1)
Sheets Byrd: Ah Teddy, remember the good ole days when it was us old white guys in the Senate?
Teddy: Good times Sheets (liftng scotch glass)
Sheets Byrd: Yes sireebob Teddy. I could get a Chinaman to wash, press and starch my hood and sheet for two bits.
Teddy: Yeah and I could drown a girl and get away with it!
Elevator opens. "Gentlemen, you'll be going DOWN now."
Posted by: Zombie Bobby "Sheets" Byrd at July 02, 2010 12:44 PM (iYbLN)
Bobby, good news is, there are two job openings for you. The bad news is, one is for Elijah Muhammed's man servant and the other as Merv Griffin's cabana boy.
You wanna pick or shall we flip a coin ?
Posted by: Satan at July 02, 2010 12:48 PM (t72+4)
Posted by: Bob discusses the here and now at July 02, 2010 12:52 PM (ZCXlk)
"For his own reasons, namely he wants the seat, he's on board with that plan. "
But of course. He's got a f---ing valuable thing there. He's not gonna just f---in' give it away.
Posted by: Flaming Blago Skull at July 02, 2010 12:52 PM (OxI/Y)
OT
My Brother (who is serving his 3rd tour of duty in Afghanistan, U.S. Army) just sent me this cool video. Mama deer opens up a case of whupass. I've seen does do this same thing myself.
Posted by: maddogg at July 02, 2010 12:54 PM (OlN4e)
Posted by: maddogg at July 02, 2010 04:54 PM (OlN4e)
Yea, thats really cool, the dog wasn't even doing anything and got seriously hurt. If that would have happened in front of my house, fast forward to later on that night we would have been eating mama deer stew.
Anyway, say hello to your bro for me and tell him we're all proud of him..
Posted by: Blazer at July 02, 2010 01:00 PM (t72+4)
Posted by: Bob at the funeral at July 02, 2010 01:01 PM (ZCXlk)
Posted by: Kareem Abdul Mohammed Baba Rum Raisin DaDoRonRon at July 02, 2010 01:03 PM (g4J4S)
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2010 01:03 PM (y8mLK)
Posted by: Son of Sam at July 02, 2010 01:05 PM (OMRnD)
Posted by: TEE866 at July 02, 2010 01:05 PM (7zsD+)
Once she got a whiff of that cat's meateater breath she went after it. You would think that cat would have noticed what happened to the dog and gone back to scratching up the furniture.
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2010 05:03 PM (y8mLK)
Cats are stupid thats why. The only reason why that punkass cat was there to begin with is because it got one of those throwback vibes that it was on the Serengeti Plain stalking a Gazelle. It needed a reality check really bad.
Once again, dog pays for cat's stupidity.
Posted by: Blazer at July 02, 2010 01:07 PM (t72+4)
Posted by: Anna Chapman at July 02, 2010 01:07 PM (ps0+9)
Blazer here I sit in the coal fields of WV and there are a couple other moron's that post here from WV also, but on the other hand I've only lived here for 5 yrs so it's not like I'm a native like my husband is.
Posted by: TEE866 at July 02, 2010 05:05 PM (7zsD+)
Tell your husband he's a Yankee. I've often found that is the easiest way to coax a West Virginian into fisticuffs without actually having to throw the first punch myself. : )
Posted by: Blazer at July 02, 2010 01:09 PM (t72+4)
Posted by: Truman North at July 02, 2010 01:11 PM (e8YaH)
Posted by: TEE866 at July 02, 2010 01:11 PM (7zsD+)
Posted by: Hitler talking in Hell at July 02, 2010 01:13 PM (ZCXlk)
Posted by: The local PETA constabulary at July 02, 2010 01:15 PM (+FkcS)
Posted by: TEE866 at July 02, 2010 05:11 PM (7zsD+)
My dad was one of those lil' quiet fellers you have to watch out for and also a squid. 5'6' to be exact. He used to have to stand up on a stool in high school just to comb his hair in the mirror. My brother and I were over 6' as teen agers, but I assure you, we never once wanted to try the old man. When we were kids we saw him from the back seat of a Plymouth Grand Fury put a big red neck hippies head in an ice machine outside of a grocery store and commence to slamming the door over and over again after he whistled and came on to my at momma as she walked out.
Posted by: Blazer at July 02, 2010 01:17 PM (t72+4)
Posted by: Sen. Craig at July 02, 2010 01:21 PM (pUfK9)
Posted by: fluffy at July 02, 2010 01:23 PM (4Kl5M)
Green hills and brooks and big mansions
The devil, who looks just like Willie Nelson, comes walking up and exclaims
"Bobby Byrd! We've been waiting for you for a long time!"
Bobby says, "Wow! It's beautiful here. Is this some kind of trick?"
The devil says, "No. It's real. Do you like golf?"
Bobby says, "I love it!"
The devil says, "Then you're gonna love weekends here.We have a big golf tournament with whiskey, cigars and hookers. Do you like Bar-B-Que??"
Bobby says, "I love it!"
The devil says, "Then you're gonna love Sundays here. We have a big outdoor feast with whatever you want.
The devil says, "Do you like going to gay bars and being sodomized in the bathroom?"
Bobby says, "Good Lord, NO!"
The devil says, "Then you're gonna hate the work week here."
Posted by: Beto at July 02, 2010 01:23 PM (H+LJc)
Once again, dog pays for cat's stupidity.
What do you recommend -- reparations?
Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 02, 2010 05:21 PM (0QJjg)
Yes, cats should deliver dogs lasagna free of charge forever.
Oh Garfield, shut the f**k up !
Posted by: Odie at July 02, 2010 01:24 PM (t72+4)
Posted by: Bob, talking in Hell at July 02, 2010 01:26 PM (ZCXlk)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at July 02, 2010 01:27 PM (OMRnD)
Posted by: fluffy at July 02, 2010 05:23 PM (4Kl5M)
That had to be in Vermont or some such place, 'cause they're all a bunch of pansies up there. That video would have ended with me taking mama dear out of the oven and feeding a generous helping to my pooch to nurse it back to health while the cat was outside the patio door watching with its stomach rumbling.
Posted by: Blazer at July 02, 2010 01:27 PM (t72+4)
Posted by: Bob, talking in Hell at July 02, 2010 05:26 PM (ZCXlk)
Cross burnin' = the new "racial tolerance". Who knew?
Posted by: Editor at July 02, 2010 01:28 PM (pUfK9)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at July 02, 2010 05:27 PM (OMRnD)
Once again, you're getting gulf & golf confused.
Posted by: Preznit Barry at July 02, 2010 01:29 PM (pUfK9)
Posted by: Bob, talking in Hell at July 02, 2010 05:26 PM (ZCXlk)
--Fuckin' A, why stop there?
Let's learn about foreign policy from Jimmy Carter, economics from Gray Davis, and sexual restraint from Bill Clinton. . . .
Posted by: logprof at July 02, 2010 01:29 PM (BP6Z1)
Blazer at July 02, 2010 05:27 PM
People who think deer are cute are just ignorant.
And yelling STOP! NO! at a doe. Public schools.
Posted by: Beto at July 02, 2010 01:30 PM (H+LJc)
Cross burnin' = the new "racial tolerance". Who knew?
Posted by: Editor at July 02, 2010 05:28 PM (pUfK9)
The fuck you say? We quite. We just can't keep up with all the new sophisticated language.
Posted by: The Klan at July 02, 2010 01:30 PM (pUfK9)
excellent job, Zim.
Truly an exemplar of friendly trolling.
It's been to bereft of comedy here lately, what with the world falling apart and all.
Seriously, well done. Whether you meant it or not, you got a great riff going.
As to address the substance of your remarks, Hypocrisy is the one fault that we can find and enjoy in every other person.
Posted by: s'moron at July 02, 2010 01:33 PM (UaxA0)
"Cross burnin' = the new "racial tolerance". Who knew? "
The sensitive lynching is the tougher nut to crack.
Posted by: Bob, talking in Hell at July 02, 2010 01:33 PM (ZCXlk)
Anyone want to contact David Duke. Seems he can't be 'tainted' if he's, you know, "running for office".
Posted by: GarandFan at July 02, 2010 01:34 PM (6mwMs)
Since the State is run by the Dems they will appoint someone and the only chance Repubs will have is the court. The courts in WV have been appointed by Dems for decades as well so there will be no chance there.
The best we could hope for is for the national Party to fund the court battle so the Repubs can drag it out month after month to keep that extra Dem vote out of the Senate until after the Nov elections.
Of course the national Party would rather fund RINOs and strip clubs so that will never happen.
Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2010 01:34 PM (6taRI)
And yelling STOP! NO! at a doe. Public schools.
Posted by: Beto at July 02, 2010 05:30 PM (H+LJc)
I would have been tripping and fumbling all over the place to get out of the door to shoot that bitch. The only hard decision I would would have faced during the whole ordeal is mashed potatoes or au' gratin and maybe a nice rice pilaf bed ?
Posted by: Blazer at July 02, 2010 01:34 PM (t72+4)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at July 02, 2010 01:36 PM (4wDTG)
They're so small down here 'Nam Grunt,
We just cut out the back straps and feed the rest to the pups.
Posted by: Beto at July 02, 2010 01:41 PM (H+LJc)
Posted by: mikeyslaw at July 02, 2010 01:42 PM (QMGr1)
These are from deer camp in Sonora. Texas the meat is good I have some back strap too, course when we go out there being well armed is the order of the day due to the proximity of mehico.
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at July 02, 2010 01:45 PM (4wDTG)
Just put 60lbs of deer steaks, sausage and ground in the freezer compliments of my oldest and the processor.
Grunt:
I saw a full-grown whitetail in my son's yard outside Temple, Texas that didn't weight 60 lbs. total. Some of the bucks were about the size of Great Danes.
Posted by: mikeyslaw at July 02, 2010 01:47 PM (QMGr1)
Posted by: Truman North at July 02, 2010 01:47 PM (e8YaH)
She was a mom, I would have let her live. But a bludgeoning would have been coming.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose which is a reference to the animal in the deer family not the religion of peace. at July 02, 2010 01:48 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Truman North at July 02, 2010 01:50 PM (e8YaH)
She was a mom, I would have let her live. But a bludgeoning would have been coming.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose which is a reference to the animal in the deer family not the religion of peace. at July 02, 2010 05:48 PM (0q2P7)
I almost forgot about Bambi. It would have made a very moist and supple veal cutlet perhaps with melted cheese and tomato sauce on a sub roll.
Posted by: Blazer at July 02, 2010 01:51 PM (t72+4)
O/T
Morons, pay attention:
THIS is why we can;'t have anything nice around here.
http://www.zerohedge.com /article/rampjob-fail
Blatant manipulation of the market by computers are, as one of the commenters at ZH put it, going to one day leave a smoking crater where our economy used to be, in the blink of an eye.
Posted by: s'moron at July 02, 2010 01:52 PM (UaxA0)
Hey I'm all about the ruthless transition of wild game to grilled delicacies; But there still is a modicum of chivalry which states you don't kill moms with younguns.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose which is a reference to the animal in the deer family not the religion of peace. at July 02, 2010 01:53 PM (0q2P7)
Hey I'm all about the ruthless transition of wild game to grilled delicacies; But there still is a modicum of chivalry which states you don't kill moms with younguns.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose which is a reference to the animal in the deer family not the religion of peace. at July 02, 2010 05:53 PM (0q2P7)
You're right. You kill 'em both simultaneously so neither one has to suffer for long.
Posted by: Blazer at July 02, 2010 01:55 PM (t72+4)
Posted by: lacewigs at July 02, 2010 01:55 PM (pUfK9)
If I wanted younguns I'd go to the store. Their is no sport in killing the newborns.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose which is a reference to the animal in the deer family not the religion of peace. at July 02, 2010 01:55 PM (0q2P7)
I almost forgot about Bambi. It would have made a very moist and supple veal cutlet perhaps with melted cheese and tomato sauce on a sub roll.
If I wanted younguns I'd go to the store. Their is no sport in killing the newborns.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose which is a reference to the animal in the deer family not the religion of peace. at July 02, 2010 05:55 PM (0q2P7)
You're right, certainly no sport in that. Keep that in mind the next time you eat a factory raised slice of bacon, steak or chicken breast.
Posted by: Blazer at July 02, 2010 01:57 PM (t72+4)
Posted by: gator at July 02, 2010 01:59 PM (aOKEC)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at July 02, 2010 01:59 PM (4wDTG)
Can't wait to watch the Oakland riots on TV tonight.
Posted by: gator at July 02, 2010 05:59 PM (aOKEC)
Why, whats going on in Oakland? Al Davis switch from a Nike to a Reebok track suit ?
Posted by: Blazer at July 02, 2010 02:01 PM (t72+4)
Ever go out with someone who can't keep quiet?
I call them, "Hunter Scatterers"
Posted by: Beto at July 02, 2010 02:01 PM (H+LJc)
Posted by: Beto at July 02, 2010 06:01 PM (H+LJc)
We're offering weekly classes.
Posted by: 2-4 year olds at July 02, 2010 02:02 PM (pUfK9)
yeah, either way the jury goes, riots will happen.
Lets just hope they burn enough down that it actually manages to clean up some of the city.
Posted by: s'moron at July 02, 2010 02:03 PM (UaxA0)
There are 8 of us I'm the only Vet but the other 7 are coachable, maybe on our down time between hunting we can get something going with the drug cartels to pass the time, that would be good times.
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at July 02, 2010 02:04 PM (4wDTG)
OT: Paris Hilton Detained by South African Police for Pot Possession - http://bit.ly/byyidX
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at July 02, 2010 06:05 PM (YVZlY)
That's Hawt !
Posted by: Paris Hilton at July 02, 2010 02:06 PM (t72+4)
That is kind of the point actually. If there is no sport I might as well save myself all the trouble and just buy the meat. Normally I'd make some kind of schtick for helping maintain population, but it's a whitetail, killing them is almost a public service.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose which is a reference to the animal in the deer family not the religion of peace. at July 02, 2010 02:06 PM (0q2P7)
OT: Paris Hilton Detained by South African Police for Pot Possession - http://bit.ly/byyidX
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent... well, not really that conscious. I mean, it's definitely in question, for sure. If you were to poke me in the eye I'd probably giggle at July 02, 2010 06:05 PM (YVZlY)
Posted by: Editor at July 02, 2010 02:07 PM (pUfK9)
Hey, we're doing so swell after pretending to payback our TARP cash we're going to ask banks for $5 billion dollars.
$urely you won't mind if our exec's get $6.66 million in bonuses, right?
Ain't capitalism corporatism grand!
Posted by: Garbonzo the Garrulous at July 02, 2010 02:07 PM (N/7an)
OT: Paris Hilton Detained by South African Police for Pot Possession - http://bit.ly/byyidX
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at July 02, 2010 06:05 PM (YVZlY)
Oh no, she's surely gonna get raped by a pack of n***ers in there !
Posted by: Mel Gibson at July 02, 2010 02:07 PM (t72+4)
"Mobile game repellent"
"Deer Driver"
"Sneaky like bulldozer"
"HINO (hunter in name only)"
Posted by: MikeTheMoose which is a reference to the animal in the deer family not the religion of peace. at July 02, 2010 02:09 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose which is a reference to the animal in the deer family not the religion of peace. at July 02, 2010 06:06 PM (0q2P7)
Last time I checked you couldn't buy deer meat at a grocery store. However, I'm getting ready to go here shortly and will report back with my findings just to be absolutely sure.
Posted by: Mel Gibson at July 02, 2010 02:10 PM (t72+4)
Posted by: Editor at July 02, 2010 02:14 PM (pUfK9)
That's probably what she'll be doing in the SA jail.
Posted by: Beto at July 02, 2010 02:16 PM (H+LJc)
Sure Mel. Try not to swear at the butcher. BTW you can order the meat.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose which is a reference to the animal in the deer family not the religion of peace. at July 02, 2010 02:16 PM (0q2P7)
OT: Paris Hilton Detained by South African Police for Pot Possession - http://bit.ly/byyidX
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at July 02, 2010 06:05 PM (YVZlY)
Oh no, she's surely gonna get raped by a pack of n***ers in there !
Posted by: Mel Gibson at July 02, 2010 06:07 PM (t72+4)
It'll go down the other way around Mel.
Posted by: B+rry Ob+owmao at July 02, 2010 02:18 PM (fAyZ/)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at July 02, 2010 06:16 PM (4wDTG)
That's why I included the qualifier "decent".
Posted by: Editor at July 02, 2010 02:18 PM (pUfK9)
Kitty was smart enough to run away when it was time.
Posted by: fluffy at July 02, 2010 05:23 PM (4Kl5M)
Looked to me like the cat went in full "let's play, Animal-Roughly-My-Size" mode and lost interest when the fawn simply lay still. Full predator mode would have entailed a lot more claw and fang action.
The cat seemed to have hope that the fawn would play some when it was following its mother, and the doe seemed not terribly interested in the cat even when the fawn lay back down.
However, the shepherd seems to have mistaken the doe for a sheep or goat, a domestic animal it could intimidate with its body posture and growls. Surprise! Momma doesn't like canines around her baby: the canines she's familiar with in the wild aren't very friendly.
And like you said, when pissed-off Momma gets back to her fawn, she's a lot less tolerant of the nice kitty, and the nice kitty is smart enough to know that playtime is over.
Posted by: stuiec at July 02, 2010 02:18 PM (W+GYq)
Sure Mel. Try not to swear at the butcher. BTW you can order the meat.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose which is a reference to the animal in the deer family not the religion of peace. at July 02, 2010 06:16 PM (0q2P7)
Did I say deer meat ? I meant jew meat. And a mason jar full of wailing wall tears to wash it all down, mmmmm mmmm good.
Posted by: Mel Gibson at July 02, 2010 02:19 PM (t72+4)
Deer hunts you!
Posted by: Yakov Smirnoff at July 02, 2010 06:17 PM (H+LJc)
You're stealing my schtick, Yakov.
Posted by: Gary Larson at July 02, 2010 02:19 PM (pUfK9)
That's probably what she'll be doing in the SA jail.
Posted by: Beto at July 02, 2010 06:16 PM (H+LJc)
She's probably hoping to get over to District 9 and sample some of that prawn lovin'.
Posted by: stuiec at July 02, 2010 02:20 PM (W+GYq)
Check out this place: fossilfarms.
Really great game meats.
Posted by: Y-not at July 02, 2010 02:23 PM (Kn9r7)
Hey, we're doing so swell after pretending to payback our TARP cash we're going to ask banks for $5 billion dollars.
Posted by: Garbonzo the Garrulous at July 02, 2010 06:07 PM (N/7an)
You've almost got to respect their utter shamelessness. But, we just saw the same thing in the Indonesian Imbecile's jaw-droppingly disingenuous and stupid speech on amnesty that lied about the Constitution, Arizona's law, border security, sealing possibilities of the border, the main task of the US government ... all while surrendering to the hordes, claiming that 'the war is lost and could never be won, anyway'.
Every time you think the Indonesian and his useful idiots in the left can't get any more insane and offensive ... they do. If America doesn't see this for what it is (and even the MFM can't hide what's going on, since half of this comes from proclamations of the turds, themselves) then this nation deserves its fate.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 02, 2010 02:24 PM (Qp4DT)
Speaking of Mel Gibson, I guess there are TWO Mad Max movies coming out now. Thankfully, he's not in them.
Posted by: CDR M at July 02, 2010 06:20 PM (5I8G0)
Mel's career is ovah . He got a pass on his joo rant a few years ago because...well lets face it most libs in H-Wood and on the left-tard sites hate joo's too, but no way his acting and directorial career can survive this.
Posted by: Blazer at July 02, 2010 02:24 PM (t72+4)
258 Speaking of Mel Gibson, I guess there are TWO Mad Max movies coming out now. Thankfully, he's not in them.
If he was they would have to call it "Old and Busted Max Who Is Mad Too".
Posted by: maddogg at July 02, 2010 02:25 PM (DqSon)
Posted by: Bob, talking in Hell at July 02, 2010 02:26 PM (ZCXlk)
Check out this place: fossilfarms.
Really great game meats.
Posted by: Y-not at July 02, 2010 06:23 PM (Kn9r7)
Thanks Y, you moronettes are the greatest. Gonna definitley order me some stuff of of there.
Posted by: Blazer at July 02, 2010 02:26 PM (t72+4)
It's a really great place. Very happy with the service and selection. 'Helped us survive living in Nowhere Indiana, land o' pork and not much else of interest food-wise.
I'm a big fan of emu, although I'm not sure if they carry it any longer. Gator is also good - I have a fritter recipe if you need it. I have a hunk of boar in my freezer that I still need to tackle. Does anyone have any good recipes? I'd prefer to grill as my kitchen is clean now for showing the house and I'd like to keep it that way.
Posted by: Y-not at July 02, 2010 02:31 PM (Kn9r7)
OT: Paris Hilton Detained by South African Police for Pot Possession - http://bit.ly/byyidX
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at July 02, 2010 06:05 PM (YVZlY)
Serves the bitch right for trying to steal Christian Ronaldo from me!
Posted by: Kim Kardashian at July 02, 2010 02:31 PM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: CDR M at July 02, 2010 06:20 PM (5I8G0)
--Oh good grief. People need to boycott the hell out of these re-makes. Today on Jim Rome they were riffing on the Top Gun remake (or is it a sequel?)
Posted by: logprof at July 02, 2010 02:33 PM (BP6Z1)
Really great game meats.
Posted by: Y-not at July 02, 2010 06:23 PM (Kn9r7)
Whoa! The venison striploin is $125. Guess I'd have to settle for the "flank".
Posted by: Editor at July 02, 2010 02:33 PM (pUfK9)
Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at July 02, 2010 02:33 PM (wd0Iq)
Yeah, I've had it at restaurants... it's OK, but I think you have to prepare it just so, sort of like frog legs or shark - preparation is key. I haven't tried making the snake myself. Or the turtle. Something about turtles makes me uneasy -- I guess I think they're too cute! How dumb is that?
Posted by: Y-not at July 02, 2010 02:35 PM (Kn9r7)
Posted by: gator at July 02, 2010 05:59 PM (aOKEC)
Why, whats going on in Oakland? Al Davis switch from a Nike to a Reebok track suit ?Posted by: Blazer at July 02, 2010 06:01 PM (t72+4)
The Johannes Mehserle case just went to the jury. Mehserle was a BART (subway) cop in Oakland. On New Year's Eve, 2008-09, he and his partner attempted to arrest a young Black man on the Fruitvale station BART platform. At some point, while the arrestee was on the deck face down but not yet in cuffs, still struggling to get free, Mehserle pulled his pistol and shot him in the back. Mehserle's defense at trial is that he meant to pull his Taser but pulled his gun instead.
I work in Oakland and our boss told us to feel free to telecommute for the next few work days. My wife is a registered nurse who works the telephone advice call center for a major Northern California HMO: her management last night reminded the call center nurses of the advice to give to members injured by Mace, pepper spray and tear gas. (But not Taser -- I assume the cops have to pick up people they Taser and take them to a first aid station if necessary.)
There have been several rounds of protests about this event since it happened. A couple of the ones in its immediate aftermath, especially on the date of the victim's funeral, devolved into violent rioting.
Posted by: stuiec at July 02, 2010 02:36 PM (W+GYq)
We may do that experiment once we get settled in Utah. Although I confess I'm more interested in game birds than hoofety critters.
Posted by: Y-not at July 02, 2010 02:36 PM (Kn9r7)
Posted by: Y-not at July 02, 2010 06:31 PM (Kn9r7)
I have an old family recipe for 'possom you might like:
Obtain one (1) cleaned (preferrably dead) and skinned possom.
Obtain one white oak plank, freshly sawed and planed, large enough to hold the possom easily. Green wood is preferrable as it is moister.
Place the possom on the clean plank and place in over. Bake at 325 degrees for 90 minutes or until the possom stops jerking and is browned.
Remove from oven, scrape possom into garbage can and serve the plank with a white slightly fruity,jug 'o' corn squeezins.
Enjoy!
Posted by: maddogg at July 02, 2010 02:37 PM (DqSon)
Posted by: Editor at July 02, 2010 02:37 PM (pUfK9)
Jim Dunphy at NRO wrote about it --I wonder why he has not posted a column in a long while?
Posted by: logprof at July 02, 2010 02:38 PM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: Bob, talking in Hell at July 02, 2010 02:39 PM (ZCXlk)
Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at July 02, 2010 02:39 PM (wd0Iq)
Posted by: Preznit Barry at July 02, 2010 02:39 PM (pUfK9)
Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2010 02:40 PM (6taRI)
My favorite exotic game meat so far is definitely zebra.
Posted by: logprof at July 02, 2010 02:40 PM (BP6Z1)
Yeah, it is good. We had that for Christmas dinner one year. Our tradition is to make a different thing each year. Starting to run out of critters after 26 years of marriage!
Posted by: Y-not at July 02, 2010 02:40 PM (Kn9r7)
Posted by: maddogg at July 02, 2010 02:41 PM (DqSon)
Posted by: Y-not at July 02, 2010 06:40 PM (Kn9r7)
--There is an Aussie pub here that serves them ground as burgers. I have yet to try it, but after reading this I may have to.
Posted by: logprof at July 02, 2010 02:42 PM (BP6Z1)
File under DUDE!:
Mexican authorities have arrested two alleged members of the Aztecas gang in the killings of a U.S. Consulate employee and her husband in Juárez in March, officials said today.
Officials said Chávez Castillo told police that members of the Juárez drug cartel, La Linea, who live in the United States ordered the murder of Enriquez because she facilitated passports (visas) to members of the Sinaloa cartel.
If this is true, it means that the corruption has already spread across the border. In Tijuana recently the head of their DMV was killed and his body hanged from a bridge in retaliation for supplying documents to a competing cartel.
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 02, 2010 02:42 PM (oIp16)
Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2010 06:40 PM (6taRI)
Uh, great, but what we really want to know is what you would do with Debralee Lorenzana.
Posted by: Editor at July 02, 2010 02:43 PM (pUfK9)
Posted by: Blazer at July 02, 2010 06:24 PM (t72+4)
About half the libs in Hollywood ARE Jews. They kept quiet about Gibson's rant because they don't like making a fuss on their own behalf in a way that makes them bigger targets for anti-Semites. They're much more likely at this point to object to slurs and bigotry aimed at other minority groups than to speak out in their own defense.
Posted by: stuiec at July 02, 2010 02:43 PM (W+GYq)
Haven't had zebra yet. What's it like? Did you have it in a restaurant or did you prepare it yourself?
Damn, I'm hungry too! Marinating some beef short ribs in garlicky-tequila-lime marinade for grilling tonight.
Posted by: Y-not at July 02, 2010 02:44 PM (Kn9r7)
"Something about turtles makes me uneasy -- I guess I think they're too cute! How dumb is that? "
Is this is why you fear them?
Posted by: Beto at July 02, 2010 02:44 PM (H+LJc)
--Holy shit, how did a snake catch a crow?!
Rattlers are ambush hunters, the crow was probably a rare catch for him.
Posted by: maddogg at July 02, 2010 02:45 PM (DqSon)
If this is true, it means that the corruption has already spread across the border. In Tijuana recently the head of their DMV was killed and his body hanged from a bridge in retaliation for supplying documents to a competing cartel.
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 02, 2010 06:42 PM (oIp16)
Was there any doubt that corruption had spread across the border? Hell, Orson Welles made that the theme of Touch of Evil, and that was in 1958.
Posted by: stuiec at July 02, 2010 02:46 PM (W+GYq)
Mel's career is ovah . He got a pass on his joo rant a few years ago because...well lets face it most libs in H-Wood and on the left-tard sites hate joo's too, but no way his acting and directorial career can survive this.
He's worth over a billion dollars. He can make movies if he wants.
Posted by: rdbrewer at July 02, 2010 02:46 PM (6BboT)
--Don't worry, the Open Borders Disneyworld crowd will give amnesty and wave a magic wand and make this all go away. . . .
Posted by: logprof at July 02, 2010 02:47 PM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at July 02, 2010 02:47 PM (4wDTG)
Posted by: beerologist at July 02, 2010 02:48 PM (r2UKM)
He's worth over a billion dollars. He can make
movies if he wants.
Posted by: rdbrewer at July 02, 2010 06:46 PM (6BboT)
So you're encouraging and excusing him, that right ?
Posted by: Blazer at July 02, 2010 02:48 PM (t72+4)
Damn, I'm hungry too! Marinating some beef short ribs in garlicky-tequila-lime marinade for grilling tonight.
Posted by: Y-not at July 02, 2010 06:44 PM (Kn9r7)
--I had it in a restaurant in Namibia. Very tender. No "gamey" taste, but then it was probably raised on a farm.
Posted by: logprof at July 02, 2010 02:49 PM (BP6Z1)
Who's up for some good news!?
Posted by: rdbrewer at July 02, 2010 06:44 PM (6BboT)
You mean this? Psychic Octopus Picks Germany Over Argentina in World Cup Quarter-Finals
Posted by: stuiec at July 02, 2010 02:51 PM (W+GYq)
Naughty, naughty!
Well, my good news is that we met with the first of the realtors today -- we'll be selling our house in SoCal this summer. Anyway, her assessment would get us out of this place with a short time on market (she's guessing no more than 30-45 days, outside) and with money in our pocket. The latter is really great news for us as we've only been in this place 3.5 years.
Anyway, we'll see if the other realtors think the same, but her estimate was about what we'd come up with, plus she thinks there's very little additional that we need to do to prep the house, so that's great.
Posted by: Y-not at July 02, 2010 02:51 PM (Kn9r7)
Posted by: stuiec
at July 02, 2010 06:51 PM (W+GYq)
--Nah, I want Argentina to win.
Posted by: logprof at July 02, 2010 02:52 PM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: Y-not at July 02, 2010 06:51 PM (Kn9r7)
That's good news Y. where y'all movin' to by the way? I hope it's the South.
Posted by: Blazer at July 02, 2010 02:53 PM (t72+4)
Posted by: stuiec
at July 02, 2010 06:51 PM (W+GYq)
--Nah, I
want Argentina to win.
Posted by: logprof at July 02, 2010 06:52 PM (BP6Z1)
Sorry. Argentina's mussel was not as appetizing. The Octopus has Spoken!
Posted by: stuiec at July 02, 2010 02:53 PM (W+GYq)
Buffalo meat, while pricey, is damn good stuff. Makes great brats, specially if'n you cook 'em in beer.
Posted by: gator at July 02, 2010 02:55 PM (aOKEC)
Was there any doubt that corruption had spread across the border?
Posted by: stuiec at July 02, 2010 06:46 PM (W+GYq)
Yeah, there was some doubt (in my naive mind), in so much that there haven't been very many reported instances of that kind of stuff on this side of the fence.
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 02, 2010 02:57 PM (oIp16)
Buffalo meat, while pricey, is damn good stuff. Makes great brats, specially if'n you cook 'em in beer.
Buffalo makes the best hamburgers, starting to see it more in the grocery store.
Posted by: beerologist at July 02, 2010 02:57 PM (r2UKM)
--Don't worry, the Open Borders Disneyworld crowd will give amnesty and wave a magic wand and make this all go away. . . .
Posted by: logprof at July 02, 2010 06:47 PM (BP6Z1)
If we would just make legal all things from drugs to illegal aliens, we would have no evil in the world.
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 02, 2010 02:59 PM (oIp16)
Posted by: Obambi at July 02, 2010 03:00 PM (aOKEC)
I'm from WV and once beat an amoeba at checkers, proof positive I am smarter. So suck it.
Seriously, though. While a lot of it was pork, he did bring some worthwhile projects into the state. And I'll take him over Harry Reid, John Kerry, or any other Donkey any day
Posted by: Jones at July 02, 2010 03:00 PM (gTo8f)
Well, we were trying to get back to Texas - Houston actually (Mr. Y-not was nominated for a job there) - but it turned out that the best job for him (once he started really looking around) was in Utah. So that's kind of cool as we have never lived in a Mountain state before, but we both love the mountains and the desert southwest.
Posted by: Y-not at July 02, 2010 03:01 PM (Kn9r7)
Yes, you do have syphillis. But, should have AIDS, too. You'd think you'd be thanking me.
Posted by: Obambi at July 02, 2010 03:01 PM (aOKEC)
Posted by: scr_north at July 02, 2010 03:03 PM (v8BYD)
Mmm... sausages!
BTW, fossil farm's sausages are great, especially the rabbit sausages.
Posted by: Y-not at July 02, 2010 03:03 PM (Kn9r7)
You know what bothers me? Un-signposted animal violence in nature shows. I love science shows, but I hate it when all the sudden one animal is chowing down on another one. They need to indicate that beforehand, so I can change the channel.
Yesterday I looked up and a fucking baboon was holding a tiny fawn like a pet, like any human would. It opened his uglyass monkeyfuck mouth and bit into the fawn's back. I don't wanna fucking see that.
That's my good news. Anyone else?
Posted by: rdbrewer at July 02, 2010 03:05 PM (6BboT)
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 02, 2010 03:05 PM (c0A3e)
Too bad you didn't have a popcorn cooker with you. Mmmmmm-mmmm!
Posted by: Mike F'abee at July 02, 2010 03:07 PM (c0A3e)
It opened his uglyass monkeyfuck mouth and bit into the fawn's back.
Now that's just racist right there, but if you need to get elected.....
Posted by: Bobby Byrd at July 02, 2010 03:07 PM (aOKEC)
Yeah, there was some doubt (in my naive mind), in so much that there haven't been very many reported instances of that kind of stuff on this side of the fence.
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 02, 2010 06:57 PM (oIp16)
I don't know to what extent there really is trafficking in US military weapons to the Mexican cartels, but wouldn't that involve corruption on this side of the border? Apparently some members of US gangs have been able to join the US Armed Forces and from there have been able to steal guns for resale to criminals, including the Mexican cartels.
And is it at all hard to believe that there are some instances of corrupt US officials redirecting border enforcement resources to leave openings for their favored Mexican cartels to use?
The example you linked to isn't even corruption per se, because the people arrested on the US side aren't US officials but Mexican cartel members. And the presence of Mexican and Central American gangs in the US has been known for many, many years.
Posted by: stuiec at July 02, 2010 03:08 PM (W+GYq)
It opened his uglyass monkeyfuck mouth and bit into the fawn's back. I don't wanna fucking see that.
But if someone decided to use that baboon for target practice right at that very moment, well, I could watch that. The guy with the camera should have JFK'd him right on the spot.
Posted by: rdbrewer at July 02, 2010 03:08 PM (6BboT)
Are they all funny looking, banjo playing hillbillies?
I'm pretty sure most of 'em don't play the banjo. The only thing they ALL have in common is the unadulterated love of Mountain Dew.
Posted by: gator at July 02, 2010 03:09 PM (aOKEC)
I know what you mean, especially when you have little ones around. After some of these shows, you may as well turn around and take them to the movies and go see the remake of Piranha.
It's snuff TV.
Posted by: rdbrewer at July 02, 2010 03:09 PM (6BboT)
Posted by: Y-not at July 02, 2010 07:01 PM (Kn9r7)
St. George in the southern part of Utah stays mild year-round, so if the snow ever gets to you, you can take a break down there.
Posted by: stuiec at July 02, 2010 03:11 PM (W+GYq)
Posted by: gator at July 02, 2010 03:11 PM (aOKEC)
Yeah, that's definitely on our list.
Funnily enough, the place in Utah that I'm keenest to visit (aside from Park City, which I know I'll love) is Mexican Hat. Mr. Y-not did a radiation physics internship in the Four Corners region of college and regaled me with stories from that summer, including Mexican Hat and its one restaurant with 6 menu items, including the Cowboy Beef sandwich.
Now the annoying thing is that we need a second car finally after living with just one all this time and Mr. Y-not wants an SUV. He's looking at the small Lexus, but I saw a Cadillac SRX in the parking lot the other day that looked good. But I bet we wind up with the Lexus as it's the best in its class in terms of safety.
Posted by: Y-not at July 02, 2010 03:17 PM (Kn9r7)
If we would just make legal all things from drugs to illegal aliens, we would have no evil in the world.
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 02, 2010 06:59 PM (oIp16)
I'm confused. Doesn't illegal imply non-existent? That is, doesn't passing a law against something make that something immediately disappear everywhere and for all time? That's what legislators believe -- no coincidence that Obama, Biden and Emanuel, all pure legislators, believed that passing a bill called a "Stimulus" would instantly stimulate the economy and that passing a bill called "Health Care Reform" would automatically restructure the health care industry.
Posted by: stuiec at July 02, 2010 03:17 PM (W+GYq)
Posted by: rdbrewer at July 02, 2010 03:17 PM (6BboT)
Posted by: gator at July 02, 2010 07:11 PM (aOKEC)
Yeah, I always wondered why they called the single "Dueling Banjos."
Posted by: stuiec at July 02, 2010 03:19 PM (W+GYq)
Posted by: Landru at July 02, 2010 03:21 PM (GHpB7)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at July 02, 2010 03:22 PM (Yq+qN)
The MFM always prints unfavorable stuff about Pres Pissypants' plans after they are in force (and not always even then).
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 02, 2010 03:24 PM (c0A3e)
The example you linked to isn't even corruption per se, because the people arrested on the US side aren't US officials but Mexican cartel members. And the presence of Mexican and Central American gangs in the US has been known for many, many years.
Posted by: stuiec at July 02, 2010 07:08 PM (W+GYq)
What would you call (if the allegation is true) an American consulate official that is selling visas to the cartels? In my mind that is some kind of textbook definition of corruption.
As for the "90% U.S. guns cause all Mexican drug crime" everyone without an axe to grind knows that is crap. It's either AKs (that are not even made here) or stolen weapons originally provided to Mexico's military.
A few months ago there was a National Geographic channel program (I think it was Explorer with Lisa Ling) where she was parroting that nonsense while handling obvious military weapons like crew served machine guns and grenade launchers (confiscated in Mexico) while bemoaning the fact that all of this hardware was coming from America. I wanted to reach into the TV and slap that stupid bitch silly.
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 02, 2010 03:25 PM (oIp16)
the song is supposed to be played with 2 banjos, Idjuts.
and Blazer,
So you're encouraging and excusing him, that right ?
I'm guessing that brewer means that money talks and bullshit walks, even in PC-ified Hollywood.
But for the record, I will forgive and encourage Mel, if only to see him do it again, so he can fuck up EVEN BIGGER next time.
we Catholics are like that
Posted by: s'moron at July 02, 2010 03:26 PM (UaxA0)
LOL, I would like to go all Moron and describe hitting it like a screen door in a hurricane but unfortunately we were talking about a management position.
When you are in a management position there can be NOTHING other than strict professionalism with the womenze. Especially those like that one who is already suing.
And there lies the problem. You can never tell which one are the sharks from the ones who like to act like normal co-workers. You find out when they break it off in your back.
After working a long time in a large corporation and seeing this over and over again I can tell you that the man will ALWAYS take the brunt of any action.
That also goes the same way for non-management but they have to build a little more case.
Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2010 03:26 PM (6taRI)
Posted by: CDR M at July 02, 2010 07:16 PM (5I8G0)
THIS
R.F.T.
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 02, 2010 03:26 PM (oIp16)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at July 02, 2010 07:20 PM (NuAIL)
--I left my mark. 
Posted by: logprof at July 02, 2010 03:34 PM (BP6Z1)
What would you call (if the allegation is true) an American consulate official that is selling visas to the cartels? In my mind that is some kind of textbook definition of corruption.
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 02, 2010 07:25 PM (oIp16)
Sure, if the consulate official was selling visas to the cartels. The story you linked, however, said the consulate officials were killed by one cartel for not refusing to give visas to a rival cartel's associates. The story doesn't say she was selling visas to anyone.
Posted by: stuiec at July 02, 2010 03:37 PM (W+GYq)
Motor-boating that would be dangerous.
Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2010 07:40 PM (6taRI)
Can you tie 'em in a knot? Can you tie 'em in a bow?
Posted by: stuiec at July 02, 2010 03:44 PM (W+GYq)
We have to sue to get the law enforced?
It is really depressing that the dishonesty of the states elected officials requires a lawsuit.
Oh, wait they are democrats, the law is just what we say it is.
There will be an election, assuming a judge that can read, this fall and a Republican will win.
Posted by: Kemp at July 02, 2010 03:50 PM (2+9Yx)
Whew. Check out the funbags on this hosehound.
Posted by: rdbrewer at July 02, 2010 07:37 PM (6BboT)
I could lick her twat and her nipples at the same time. I love multi-tasking !
Posted by: Blazer at July 02, 2010 03:51 PM (t72+4)
The story you linked, however, said the consulate officials were killed by one cartel for not refusing to give visas to a rival cartel's associates. The story doesn't say she was selling visas to anyone.
Posted by: stuiec at July 02, 2010 07:37 PM (W+GYq)
Take another look. She was killed by a competing drug catrel (Juarez) for working for providing a service to the Sinaloa cartel. I am assuming she was doing it for the money, as drug cartels seem to have few idological converts.
Officials said Chávez told police that members of the Juárez drug cartel, La Linea, who live in the United States ordered the murder of Enriquez because she facilitated passports (visas) to members of the Sinaloa cartel.
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 02, 2010 03:52 PM (oIp16)
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at July 02, 2010 03:56 PM (YVZlY)
You have bigger problems to deal with at the moment, like the arrival of WTR & PGiS to Coronado Island. May God have mercy on you.
Posted by: Editor at July 02, 2010 03:57 PM (pUfK9)
Jim,
You have bigger problems to deal with at the moment, like the arrival of WTR & PGiS to Coronado Island. May God have mercy on you.
Posted by: Editor at July 02, 2010 07:57 PM (pUfK9)
When you say bigger problems concerning PGIS, well, those are problems I would look forward to tackling, head on.
Posted by: Blazer at July 02, 2010 03:59 PM (t72+4)
354 I wouldn't call a state both Bush and McCain won by 13 points a "pretty Democratic state."
Well, they have a democratic Governor, a democratic lieutenant governor, both senators were democrats and 2 of the 3 congressmen are democrats. Maybe they misunderstood the presidential ballot.
Posted by: scr_north at July 02, 2010 04:00 PM (v8BYD)
You have bigger problems to deal with at the moment, like the arrival of WTR & PGiS to Coronado Island. May God have mercy on you.
Posted by: Editor at July 02, 2010 07:57 PM (pUfK9)
Escape from Coronado!
I have until 10:00AM tomorrow to escape their wrath... especially if WTR hates my Mexican restaurant recommendations.
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 02, 2010 04:01 PM (oIp16)
Update: Marijuana charges against Paris Hilton dropped - AP
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 02, 2010 04:05 PM (c0A3e)
Update: Marijuana charges against Paris Hilton dropped - AP
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 02, 2010 08:05 PM (c0A3e)
That's Hawt !
Posted by: Paris Hilton at July 02, 2010 04:06 PM (t72+4)
Posted by: garrett at July 02, 2010 04:08 PM (NSLmS)
Take another look. She was killed by a competing drug catrel (Juarez) for working for providing a service to the Sinaloa cartel. I am assuming she was doing it for the money, as drug cartels seem to have few idological converts.
Officials said Chávez told police that members of the Juárez drug cartel, La Linea, who live in the United States ordered the murder of Enriquez because she facilitated passports (visas) to members of the Sinaloa cartel.
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 02, 2010 07:52 PM (oIp16)
Yes, indeed: you are ASSUMING she was being bribed. However, as a consular official, you could just as easily ASSUME that her job description included facilitating visas for any Mexican national who applied for one. As in, that's what consulates do.
The only person alleging that she was servicing the Sinaloa cartel is her assassin. The story doesn't even say that HE accused her of being paid by the Sinaloa cartel to do anything, and it doesn't point to any evidence that she actually helped an identified Sinaloa cartel member get a visa or that she knew who among the visa applicants who came before her were members of any cartel. Given that her killer also murdered people coming from a children's party, he's not really that reliable a reporter.
So yes, it is possible that she was a corrupt official on the payroll of the Sinaloa cartel. But the news report you linked to doesn't in fact say that. It just says that the La Linea cartel wanted her dead because Sinaloa cartel members got visas through her office -- which could just as easily mean that the La Linea people tried to bribe or intimidate her into not issuing visas to specific persons, and that she refused to take their orders or their money. Which would kind of be the opposite of corruption.
Posted by: stuiec at July 02, 2010 04:08 PM (W+GYq)
Posted by: CDR M at July 02, 2010 08:07 PM (5I8G0)
Repeated
For
Truth
It's a good thing.
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 02, 2010 04:10 PM (oIp16)
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at July 02, 2010 04:22 PM (YVZlY)
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at July 02, 2010 08:22 PM (YVZlY)
The high irony is that they claim that the gun restrictions are necessary because their city is such a hive of villainy and scum... but they fail to explain how the outright gun BAN that was in place until this week didn't turn Chicago into a hive of sweetness and light.
“No Supreme Court judge could live in my community and come to the same conclusion they did a couple days ago,” Ald. Sharon Denise Dixon (24th) said.
“I find it hard to believe that the Supreme Court justices that voted to strike our handgun laws have spent any time in the communities that many of us represent,” Ald. Toni Preckwinkle (4th) said.
“There’s no way if they knew the violence our young people face every day that they could decide this was a reasonable course of action.”
So it's yet another example of the Legislative Mind-Set: by passing these gun regulations, they will cause gun crime to instantly and automatically disappear. Because, you know, it'll be illegal to abuse the right to own a gun in Chicago by using it in commission of a crime.
This may be the defining distinction between liberals and conservatives. Perhaps liberals believe that human beings always obey laws and therefore passing a law is sufficient to solve any problem, whereas conservatives recognize that some human beings actually break laws and therefore laws only succeed if they are enforced.
Posted by: stuiec at July 02, 2010 04:30 PM (W+GYq)
Posted by: the greaseman at July 02, 2010 04:34 PM (ucxC/)
Yes, indeed: you are ASSUMING she was being bribed. However, as a consular official, you could just as easily ASSUME that her job description included facilitating visas for any Mexican national who applied for one. As in, that's what consulates do.
The only person alleging that she was servicing the Sinaloa cartel is her assassin. The story doesn't even say that HE accused her of being paid by the Sinaloa cartel to do anything, and it doesn't point to any evidence that she actually helped an identified Sinaloa cartel member get a visa or that she knew who among the visa applicants who came before her were members of any cartel. Given that her killer also murdered people coming from a children's party, he's not really that reliable a reporter.
So yes, it is possible that she was a corrupt official on the payroll of the Sinaloa cartel. But the news report you linked to doesn't in fact say that. It just says that the La Linea cartel wanted her dead because Sinaloa cartel members got visas through her office -- which could just as easily mean that the La Linea people tried to bribe or intimidate her into not issuing visas to specific persons, and that she refused to take their orders or their money. Which would kind of be the opposite of corruption.
Posted by: stuiec at July 02, 2010 08:08 PM (W+GYq)
OK, I'ff try to take this one step at a time...
Points I'm responding to are bolded in your original post.
1. Yes, I'm assuming she was taking money for issuing visas she would not have approved anyways. Other possible explanations would include that she was also being blackmailed or otherwise extorted into doing what she did. Other than for reasons of money, I don't see any other credible explanations (assuming that the charges are correct) for events as they transpired.
2. I'm going to call a possible "logical fallacy" error here on your part in that ONLY a criminal involved in those evil deeds would have inside knowledge of those activities. As one prosecutor once said: "just because our witness happens to be a hooker, please don't assume that her eyes are bad".
3. Typically, the cartels are not (yet) killing people (specifically Americans) for their day-to-day activities. They do seem to have no problem killing those that are helping rival cartels in any meaningful capacity. I'd be interested to hear if there is any known 'game theory' logic behind that strategy. I'm also assuming that any arrangements with a drug cartel are an exclusive service agreement.
If they killed her for just doing her job, are they going to kill her replacement too, or any American official for issuing visas to anyone as part of their job? I don't think so.
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 02, 2010 04:35 PM (oIp16)
“There’s no way if they knew the violence our young people face every day that they could decide this was a reasonable course of action.
We Must Ban ALL Pre-Cut Lumber!
Posted by: Chicago Alderman at July 02, 2010 04:38 PM (NSLmS)
Posted by: the greaseman at July 02, 2010 08:34 PM (ucxC/)
As sung by Bill Clinton:
Full of Klansmen
West Virginia
Burnin' crosses
Lynchings by the river
He grew up there
Joined the KKK
Got elected
Started on his way
Robert Byrd, head on home
To the place you belong
West Virginia
Klansman hollow
Head on home, Robert Byrd
Posted by: stuiec at July 02, 2010 04:43 PM (W+GYq)
Michael Mann, the author of a notorious scientific study that is a tent pole of global warming public policy, has been found innocent of charges of improper conduct.
Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2010 04:44 PM (6taRI)
Figures. So much for the scientific community policing itself and holding their members to the highest standards of professionalism and ethics.
Good news for me though. Now I can "hide the decline" and fudge data using the methods of Mann et al.,!
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 02, 2010 04:47 PM (c0A3e)
I guess fraud in PA is "proper conduct".
Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2010 08:45 PM (6taRI)
You call it 'fraud' we call it, business as usual.
Posted by: Arlen Specter on the Pennsylvania stae house roof with a sniper rifle at July 02, 2010 04:49 PM (t72+4)
Posted by: Ogusher at July 02, 2010 08:47 PM (YVZlY)
No you're not. OilBama told us over two weeks ago that he would have you 90% contained within two weeks. You just think you are.
Posted by: robtr at July 02, 2010 04:49 PM (fwSHf)
I hope Bill Clinton lives to be 100, assuming his big yap stays in good health.
That tiny left-handed swipe by the cat is pure Biden.
Posted by: Cincinnatus at July 02, 2010 04:54 PM (r60xu)
Ignoring the calendar, which showed the beginning of the month of July, a dusting of snow fell Thursday on Mount Washington in New Hampshire, startling tourists and forcing the closure of the road to the top.
Irony, thy name is PA investigators.
Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2010 04:55 PM (6taRI)
Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2010 04:57 PM (6taRI)
1. Yes, I'm assuming she was taking money for issuing visas she would not have approved anyways. Other possible explanations would include that she was also being blackmailed or otherwise extorted into doing what she did. Other than for reasons of money, I don't see any other credible explanations (assuming that the charges are correct) for events as they transpired.
2. I'm going to call a possible "logical fallacy" error here on your part in that ONLY a criminal involved in those evil deeds would have inside knowledge of those activities. As one prosecutor once said: "just because our witness happens to be a hooker, please don't assume that her eyes are bad".
3. Typically, the cartels are not (yet) killing people (specifically Americans) for their day-to-day activities. They do seem to have no problem killing those that are helping rival cartels in any meaningful capacity. I'd be interested to hear if there is any known 'game theory' logic behind that strategy. I'm also assuming that any arrangements with a drug cartel are an exclusive service agreement.
If they killed her for just doing her job, are they going to kill her replacement too, or any American official for issuing visas to anyone as part of their job? I don't think so.
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 02, 2010 08:35 PM (oIp16)
Why are you assuming that she was issuing any visas that wouldn't have been issued otherwise? Her killer alleges that he killed her because she helped rival cartel members get visas. Is there any other evidence that corroborates his claim?
Is there in fact any evidence that those Sinaloa cartel members got visas? The article doesn't name them, doesn't show whether they got visas and on what dates. So the only evidence presented in the article about Sinaloa cartel members getting visas is what the assassin says.
A perfectly logical alternative theory of the crime is that the Las Lineas cartel directed her to STOP the visas of their rivals, that she refused to take orders from Las Lineas, and that they killed her for failing to take their orders. Nothing in the story contradicts that theory either.
So unless and until an investigation shows that she was engaged in corrupt activities, it's premature to declare definitively that she was corrupt.
As for the cartels killing American officials for their day-to-day activities, so far they haven't killed a lot of American officials, but they sure kill a lot of Mexican officials and private citizens for the offense of existing, and not just for favoring rival cartels. It doesn't seem that they have a really high threshold for justifying killing anybody.
Posted by: stuiec at July 02, 2010 05:02 PM (W+GYq)
This response is to Drew M.
With all respect to his "youth and inexperience". Drew, I am convinced that you are well enough informed to know the source of this reference. You began your post, predictably I may add, by referencing Byrd's KKK experience. Let me ask you this question..Did you you hold any views or even join any organizations in your youth that you would change today if you could? I love the quote from Emerson that said "Foolish Consisitency is the hobgobblin of small minds". I have friends in both liberal and conversatives camps who only vote one way. Sadly precitably. Many of us go through changes in life with respect both to the candidates and parties we support. As Ronald Reagan taught us with respect to the Soviet Union., people and facts do change. "The Soviet Union is no longer an "Evil Empire". Reagan was one of our best presidents, the first President that I could vote for at age 18. And I did . Good choice.
Don't you think that change can be a good thing if it is based on new information and new ideas?
I do honestly think that Byrd regretted his KKK days. You could have easily began your post with criticisms of his other policies such as his lack of support for the insurgency in the Iraq War or his support of the healthcare bill which I doubt he actually read given his ailing health and age but not inexperience. I am not supporting the KKK with Byrd by any means. It is a very sick organization. There are a lot of people who would like to bring it back. May hear from some of those tonight on this blog. .......I hope not. I do feel that most of the contributers to this blog are above that.
I love this blog on account that it is the best in terms of news accuracy and one does not have to be PC. I was just hoping tha you wouldn't start out the blog with the KK experience in the first sentance. That 's all. Thank you for letting me speak my mind. My financial contribution will follow. In addition to my friends and family with to whom I am introducing this blog.
R
Posted by: caroline at July 02, 2010 05:04 PM (1r0xW)
Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2010 05:04 PM (6taRI)
It doesn't seem that they have a really high threshold for justifying killing anybody.
Posted by: stuiec at July 02, 2010 09:02 PM (W+GYq)
Fun fact of the day:
Woody Harrelson's father was a hit man for the Mexican Mafia. He died while serving a life sentence for the murder of a federal judge
Posted by: Bubble Ba'athist at July 02, 2010 05:08 PM (AnTyA)
Sprawling on the fringes of the city
In geometric order
An insulated border
In between the bright lights
And the far unlit unknown
In the high school halls
In the shopping malls
Conform or be cast out
In the basement bars
In the backs of cars
Be cool or be cast out
Any escape might help to smooth the unattractive truth
But the suburbs have no charms to soothe the restless dreams of youth
Posted by: Blazer at July 02, 2010 05:08 PM (t72+4)
I do honestly think that Byrd regretted his KKK days.
Me too..only because of the criticism..strangely mild as it was..
..I don't think he actually regretted being in the Klan part
Posted by: Bubble Ba'athist at July 02, 2010 05:11 PM (AnTyA)
Posted by: Blazer at July 02, 2010 09:08 PM
I'm a fan. I saw the documentary about them on HBO the other night.
...pretty cool fucking guys
Posted by: Bubble Ba'athist at July 02, 2010 05:12 PM (AnTyA)
No you're not. OilBama told us over two weeks ago that he would have you 90% contained within two weeks. You just think you are.
When will someone contain 90% of Obumble's bullshit?
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 02, 2010 05:17 PM (zgZzy)
I'm really enjoying this conversation stuiec, but I have to go very soon.
Yes, the Mexican drug cartels do have an exceptionally low threshold for violence, but it's usually for some purpose (if even in cases of mistaken identity).
One theory I'll advance right now is that (by summation on my part) is that the Mexican drug cartels have few penalties for excessive violence. Usually there is a feedback process that if a criminal enterprise becomes too violent, there is a popular outcry from the citizenry to "do something". The public officials are compelled to act, and that puts heat on the criminal enterprise and that in turn calms things down. That feedback process seems to be missing in Mexico.
Their strategy seems to be that violence for it's own benefit seems to have some intangible benefit all-of-its-own. Maybe a regulating effect on rival gangs?
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 02, 2010 05:19 PM (oIp16)
This is long so I'll post it here. You Morons may condense it and post it @ Iowahawk.
OBAMA wants us to cut the amount of gasoline we use..... The best way to stop using so much gasoline is to deport 15 million illegal immigrants. That would be 15 million less people using our gas. The price of gas would come down.....
Bring our troops home from Afghanistan to guard the borders....
When they catch an illegal immigrant crossing the Border, hand him a canteen, rifle and some ammo and ship him to Afghanistan ....
Tell him if he wants to come to AMERICA then he must serve a tour in OUR military.... Give him a soldier's pay while he's there and tax him on it...... After his tour, he will be allowed to become a citizen since he defended this country..... He will also be registered to be taxed and be a legal resident.....
This option will probably deter illegal immigration and provide a solution for the troops in Afghanistan and the aliens trying to make a better life for themselves.. ...... If they refuse to serve, ship them to Afghanistan anyway, without the canteen, rifle or ammo.....
Problem solved.....
Posted by: sickinmass at July 02, 2010 05:25 PM (tamie)
response to comment #414.
Thank you Bubble Ba'athisI went out on a limb with this comment
This is truly a good place for dialogue and free speech. Happy Independence Day Weekend. Speaking of the "fourth of july," .-----Do you realize that one fourth of our teens do not know which country we fought in the Revolutionary War for Indepenedence.? Sad but true.
Posted by: caroline at July 02, 2010 05:53 PM (1r0xW)
Posted by: jbarntt at July 02, 2010 06:35 PM (Qx4db)
Bring our troops home from Afghanistan to guard the borders....
When they catch an illegal immigrant crossing the Border, hand him a canteen, rifle and some ammo and ship him to Afghanistan ....
Tell him if he wants to come to AMERICA then he must serve a tour in OUR military....
illegal aliens forced into OUR troops, OUR military?
You fail to see the convolution?
First, either we're in or we're out of Afghanistan.
Second, you'd pay AND trust conscripted illegal aliens to guard our border from their fellows? Not I.
Legal aliens current procedure, voluntarily joining our military, is completely legitimate. But the illegals would need to join the French Legion, a different matter all together; and America has no parallel with the Legion.
Cross at designated legal points of entry crossing international borders.
The audacity of hope.
Build a solar powered satellite and land station monitored electrifying fence enforcing the current and legitimate US immigration law and border crossing law that Arizona legally endorses, and border patrol is responsible to enforce.
Posted by: maverick muse at July 03, 2010 04:12 AM (H+LJc)
Marxists are so special.
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How the Democrats hold together a coalition of the KKK and the NAACP is one of the great mysteries in the history of politics. Were there any objective study of politics it would doubtless mystify honest historians how that volatile mixture could have possibly lasted as long as it has.
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