1 Well people, now we have our rallying cry and it is but one word: REPEAL!!!

2 Ahhhh.  Thanks, man!

The anodyne for horror is to get working, and you did it!

3 Rode hard and put up wet. Now, after years of service, Bart heads to the happy hunting grounds. Well, I mean, glue factory.

4 21 March, 2010.  The end of the Republic.

5 I couldn't watch. What was the final tally?

6 Shouldn't that be DOUCHE Bigalow?

7 Oloser is talking. What an arrogant prick.

8 Logan's Run

9 Welcome to the firm, my boy. Now, your first duty is to get in that barrel, over there. The one with the hole.

10 Speaking of REPEAL! (comma) wait! Obama was brief!

The soul of wit. He was a soul wit.

Shit, where was I?

Yeah, repeal.  It ALL has to be rolled back.  Obamacare, Great Society, Social Security, the New Deal,...

ALL of it.

11 Hope he enjoys counting and re-counting his motherstupaking 30 pieces of silver.

12 John Boeher Speech: "Hell No You Can't"

13 Somebody else remembered this line from A Man for All Seasons first, but it's painfully relevant now. It's Thomas More addressing Richard Rich, who has been made tax collector for Wales: "It profit a man nothing to sell his soul for the whole world. But for Wales?" Same line for Stupak: "But for airport upgrades?"

14 219-210. On a vote to recommit, Stupak was the loudest critic against his own amendment. He showed himself to be a hypocrite on the floor of the House.

15 Eat a dick Geraldo......

16 This asshole will be gone in November.  It's one thing to have obnoxious, despicable views, it's another to pretend otherwise.  As Prager says, clarity is more important than agreement.  You, sir, with your stupid, fake moral arbitrage, must politically die.

17 Geraldo trying to get into a debate with Bret Bair.... Bret just stares back blankly, trying to hold back a smirk... hilarious.

18 Anyone in stupaks district? We could take up a collection and all donate to someone who is in the district who could put up a big billboard with his face and "LIAR" or something like that.

19 How long until the bond rating goes in the crapper?  Since this has virtually guaranteed a long-term economic depression US Debt isn't going to be worth the paper it's printed on.

20 219-210.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby

Thanks for the info. I can't stand to watch television or listen to the radio.

21 Now Stupak is hated by BOTH parties.  Heckuva job, Bart...

22

Stupak just SPIT upon all those people who supported him and on all the pro life congressman that worked with him to keep the bill from funding abortions.

What a pig!

23 Shouldn't that be DOUCHE Bigalow? Perhaps Douche Bagalow.

24 Can we say "cocksucker" here now, like in the old days at AoSHQ? If ever it was appropriate...... Democrats delenda est

25 Will someone please tell me why I should continue to care about anything tomorrow, other than earning enough money to take care of myself and finding every tax loophole I can? No donations to charity, ever again. No participation in politics, ever again. Not even helping a little old lady, ever again. The entire nation - fuck, the entire *world* - has just told us our belief system is worthless. Not even the GOP made any real attempt to stop this until after it was too late. Why should I care about anything any more until we see people taking to the streets in protest?

26 "Honestly, I'm not really all that surprised that Stupak sold out. I'm just amazed that his price was so low. " No shit dude... I always thought he would vote for the health care bill... and didn't really care... in fact, even after the EO announcement I was giving him the benefit of the doubt... but after reflecting, that EO is the biggest pile of shiat ever... it is worse than nothing... and his spiel tonight was ridiculous...

27 When do our taxes go up?  Right away or starting in 2011?

28 My suggestion  would be for people to earn as little money as they can.  Spend more time with family, friends or doing things you like to do.

29 Get Geraldo the fuck off of my TV. 

30 "Will someone please tell me why I should continue to care about anything tomorrow, other than earning enough money to take care of myself and finding every tax loophole I can?"

Damned if I know.

31 Stupak didn't sell out.

He never had any intention of voting NO.

But I have no clue what he was hoping to accomplish with his "pro life" grandstanding.  It will be interesting to see what kind of cash the Right can raise for his opponent and what kind of cash the Left will raise for their new hero (I'm sure Kos or someone will start the ball rolling).

32 19 How long until the bond rating goes in the crapper?  Since this has virtually guaranteed a long-term economic depression US Debt isn't going to be worth the paper it's printed on.

Posted by: brian at March 21, 2010 11:59 PM (71oqO)

 

Here you go...hot off the presses...

http://alturl.com/66mo

 

33 Hey what was the deal with the drinking game they were playing in DC.  Was Nancy drunk, it would explain her slurred speech, or her dentures were falling out.

34 Like I said, he's not even a good thief.

35 No surprise here, all you dimwits with so called "conservative" democraps as representatives take heed THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A BLUE DOG DEMOCRAP they are all statists.

36 Reposting from the previous post.

DeMint also posted this link on his Facebook page tonight if you care to sign..pledging your support for those conservative candidates that will vow to repeal this complete piece of SHIT. 

Repeal ObamaCare Pledge

37 Nancy Pelosi.....Satan is proud of you

38 "How long until the bond rating goes in the crapper?" March 22 (Bloomberg) -- The bond market is saying that it’s safer to lend to Warren Buffett than Barack Obama. Two-year notes sold by the billionaire’s Berkshire Hathaway Inc. in February yield 3.5 basis points less than Treasuries of similar maturity, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Procter & Gamble Co., Johnson & Johnson and Lowe’s Cos. debt also traded at lower yields in recent weeks, a situation former Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. chief fixed-income strategist Jack Malvey calls an “exceedingly rare” event in the history of the bond market.

39 We will invigorate the entrepreneurial spirit by allowing 26-year olds to continue mooching off of their parents money and health insurance.  Mooching is a right, not a privelige

40

O/T:  Here's a link to Boehner's "hell no" speech.

41 Olliander beat me to it! Well played.

42
How can anyone make a 'deal' with Wee Wee and expect it to be honored?

This guy is just another liar, like every other dem pol.  Fuck them.

43

Eat a dick Geraldo......

I'm on it. Milk Chocolate.  My Favorite.

44

Yeah I love how they say your "children" will be able to stay on your policy.

What a frikken joke!

You cannot start a small business you botox biatch, while paying so much in taxes. You are nuts!

45 All I can say about Nazi's blatherings:

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

46 They promised that if he voted yes Nancy wouldn't crush his head with her dreaded giant gavel.

47

Get Geraldo the fuck off of my TV. 

Where's a Nazi Skinhead when you need one!? 

48 Is this where I get to tell Bob to eat a bowl of dicks? 

49 What's evenmote amazing is thepro choice coalicion wentalong with thus as well. There are some very pissed off women right now who literally feel screwed over and that womens rights have been taken back to the dark ages. That coalicion is effed as much as stupak.

50 But I have no clue what he was hoping to accomplish with his "pro life" grandstanding.

Name recognition, free publicity.  Apparently he believes that free press will be worth more in Nov than the damage caused by the vote. 

I suspect he's wrong.  He just made himself target numero uno for removal.  The challenger will probably have access to 10X the campaign funding Stupak will by the end of next week.

51 It's always been my belief that if you're going to be a whore, never be a cheap one.

52 YES WE CAN.

SUCK IT LOSERS

53 There are some very pissed off women right now who literally feel screwed over and that womens rights have been taken back to the dark ages.

I hate sharing a demographic category with people that stupid.  You can still kill all the babies you want!  You just can't use federal funds for it.  Yet.

54 Phil is obviously a big fan of 15 year long economic depressions.

55

Great.

 

At least our permanently unemployed children will be able to mooch off us until the food runs out in the fridge.

 

56 Clyburn has enjoyed every single moment of tearing the United States to shreds.  What a piece of shit retard.

57 YES WE CAN.

Yep, you sure can pay for 6 years of shitty Obamacare with 10 years of taxes. Good work, fucknuts.

58 #25 - You continue to care tomorrow because it is the first day in the next step of taking this country back.

You take the names of everyone in your state who voted for this piece of crap and target anyone who is vulnerable.

That's what I did tonight.  Here in Illinois these weasels wouldn't even commit to their yes vote until the weekend came and they were out of the news spotlight:

Melissa Bean 
Jerry Costello
Bill Foster
Deborah Halvorson
Phil Hare
Jan Schakowsky

They are all vulnerable.  We will defeat them in November and then get to work un-doing what they did today.. before the crap kicks in..

59 A worthless piece of paper plus three airports.  I wonder what the total cost of all the deals, bribes, and buyouts to extort the votes on this bill was?  No, I really don't want to know.  Planned Parenthood gushed tonight that now we can boast of 400,000 more abortions a year.  God save our country.

60 Stupak's district is way up north in Michigan.  I'd say it's probably "purple" up there due to the reservations and small union industry countering the hard-working small businesses that populate the region (politically speaking).  Just  a guess by me.

Any moron's in that area? (I'm way down south.  I'm a "Lowper", not a yooper.)

61 That picture is fucking epic.

62 Posted by: Phil at March 22, 2010 12:09 AM (lI9wK)

When I see your name on the 5 year wait list for whatever surgery you need, I'm going to have the last laugh, asshole.

63 16 This asshole will be gone in November.

And when he goes to Don Barack trying to cash in on his deal of a great post-defeat job, he won't even get in.

64 The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.

http://bit.ly/114OGY  <---Clip

65

I suspect he's wrong.  He just made himself target numero uno for removal.  The challenger will probably have access to 10X the campaign funding Stupak will by the end of next week.

...and to think I wasted 9 months cooking that mistake!

66 A worthless piece of paper plus three airports.

Hey, that's three airports more than Chamberlain got!

67 Once again, to reiterate:

So Stupak is revealed to be a shamelessly proud whore who pretended to be a chaste and resolute virgin prepared to hold out for virtue's sake.

I guess I should be shocked - but somehow I'm not.

If Stupak can manage to hold onto his House seat this November, it will make it much easier for him to continue his gross self-deception against the stark reality that he has wholly destroyed his personal integrity.
Now it has been said to sacrifice one's personal integrity is to lose one's soul. But really, it is merely to become a soul not worth being.

68 Btw, I hope all you lefties, esp y'all in the SW and Cali, like waiting with the unwashed masses in the waiting room. You know. All the Mexicans who already wait for hours in the ER for their "free" health care. Cuz guess what, you get to take a number behind them.

69

God save our country.

 

There's no Free Lunches.  Save it Yourself.

70
Do you know why you need to be able to run 2 miles in 14 minutes?  Because that's  the other end of the landing strip.
   
Get in shape.  Get strong.    It is not over until WE say it's over.

71 Not surprised his price was low, he wasn't really pro-life, snake oil salesman will take what they can get.

Oh, and for the record, bob "mark my words" was wrong.

72 Hundreds of billions of dollars in 'stimulus' dollars available and Stupak wrangles himself a measely three quarters of one million dollars in airport upgrades, destroys his political career, and sells out the country to boot. What can anyone say about such stupidity that doesn't come up short descriptively? How did an idiot like him get elected in the first place? Is his district where they keep all the retards?

73 Planned Parenthood gushed tonight that now we can boast of 400,000 more abortions a year.

Meh, they would have just been "useless eaters" anyway, right?  Its not like this country will have to grow its population significantly to service this mountain of debt, that would be silly.

74

Posted by: Dave at March 22, 2010 12:13 AM (dYwM1)

If the Pubbies can't defeat this lying prick in November, the entire Party should be burnt to the ground,

75 My suggestion  would be for people to earn as little money as they can.  Spend more time with family, friends or doing things you like to do.

Posted by: Jack at March 22, 2010 12:00 AM (bvDV5)

Atlas shrugs bitches.  We don't have to repeal this.  We just have to not fund it. 

That's always been the failure of socialism.  It requires the consent of the governed. 

76 Is his district where they keep all the retards?

Ahem!

77 Let the lawsuits and challenges begin.

78 Why should I care about anything any more until we see people taking to the streets in protest?

Because you know we're right.  I know we're right.  I know it sounds cliche and probably more or less meaningless to you at this point (this is, after all, a really dark hour)...but why give up?  Really? 

I don't know how old you are, but I'm 21.  I haven't even begun to test my productive or creative abilities.  I don't know what I'll achieve, but there's only one way to find out.  I'm not willing to let my future be more dim than my parents' or grandparents'. 

What is the alternative, really?  Make myself comfortable with the prospects of living under an Argentina, or hell, Venezuelan system?  Why even live if it's that bad?

79 Apostrophe?  I used a friggin' apostrophe?

Damn.

80 The Dems are bluffing.  They don't have the votes...seriously.

81 Thoughts from Eric Hoffer: http://tinyurl.com/yfnb3sq

82

Stupak is a papist.

Papists are legalists.

Legalists are nihilists.

Our forefathers could have told you this 500 years ago - if only you had bother to listen to them.

[And they didn't even have the word "nihilism" yet - they just called it "evil".]

 

83 LOL  Benishek's Facebook page already has Slubog's 'shop posted.

84 I don't know how old you are, but I'm 21. I haven't even begun to test my productive or creative abilities. I don't know what I'll achieve, but there's only one way to find out. I'm not willing to let my future be more dim than my parents' or grandparents'.

Posted by: Fortunate Son at March 22, 2010 12:15 AM (trlZM)

You know. You're right and you're a lot wiser than us old folks.

85 Is there a list of the Dems who voted against yet?  Want to know who I won't spit upon when I go to D.C.

86 The weak side in me couldn't resist looking to see what the Kos Kiddies were up to.  Of course, they have a commemorative Teddy thread.

One of them asked rhetorically, "Is there anything better than Ted Kennedy pounding on a lectern while making an impassioned speech?"

I replied, "Teddy pounding on a waitress sandwich with Chris Dodd?"

Maybe I'll finally get banned.

87

So now what? Do I get a letter in the mail telling me what I have to do?

Don't have a job. No money. Probably not going to find a job in the near future. Guess it's off to prison for non-compliance.

What country is this again?

88 Buck Farren Wuffet

89 Guess someone's spider monkey's gonna piss on Stupaks next communion wafer.

90 The Republicans shouldn't escape any blame in this.  There is a growing feeling among a lot of people that they didn't fight very hard against this bill.  They could easily have lobbied (bribed) enough Dems to change their vote.  The treachery is not all on the Dem side....

91 Is his district where they keep all the retards?

Ahem!

Posted by: California 8th District at March 22, 2010 12:15 AM (Q7XNO)

OK, OK, Is his district where they keep most of the retards?

92 "The Dems are bluffing.  They don't have the votes...seriously."

LOL!  Gotta love know-nothing Eric Cantor

Boehner also said they didn't have the votes.

These people are why you lose every time. 

93 http://www.firenancypelosi.com/

In a little under an hour, they got $100K.

94 25 Not even the GOP made any real attempt to stop this until after it was too late.

Someone's been living under a rock.

95 I replied, "Teddy pounding on a waitress sandwich with Chris Dodd?"

Maybe I'll finally get banned.

Posted by: rockhead at March 22, 2010 12:18 AM (RykTt)

I just wonder if he was on top.  I only ask for the purpose of physics and topology.

96

Posted by: w'evver at March 22, 2010 12:20 AM (1kwr2)

What the hell are you over-bolding about?

97 If Cali has no problem with pot growing, why are they not taxing it?

Oh.  I forgot.  Dems do not pay taxes.

But the pot growers get free health care now!

98 #90
DING DING DING!

If I was in the house leadership, knowing the pressure of reelection and the likelihood of winning control of the house, I wouldve bribed 8-9 Democrats to vote No at the last minute in exchange for a guarantee not to spend any $ campaigning against them, give them a pass.

But nooooo, Congressmen dont eeeever do that.

99 87

So now what? Do I get a letter in the mail telling me what I have to do?

Don't have a job. No money. Probably not going to find a job in the near future. Guess it's off to prison for non-compliance.

What country is this again?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 22, 2010 12:19 AM (P33XN)

No, using the efficiency of the government, you will get a letter informing you that you will be getting a letter.

100  @90 Are you effin kidding?  Bribed with what?  They don't control the agenda or the committees, they could only make appeals, and they came within 4 votes.

Now if your talking about a lady in the senate, ok then.  But the house was solid.

101

The coward has turned off comments onn his facebook page, but the ones that got in before he noticed are pretty well...pointed.

http://tinyurl.com/yfzgtdf

Heh.

102 Time To Go Galt.

103

Can we purge the squishes NOW?

Sure I want to hurt the Dems in the midterms, but I want to fire the Republican leadership now.

104 "The Republicans shouldn't escape any blame in this.  There is a growing feeling among a lot of people that they didn't fight very hard against this bill.  They could easily have lobbied (bribed) enough Dems to change their vote.  The treachery is not all on the Dem side...."

Ding ding ding, we have a winner!

But, hey, Michael Steele was on TV tonight leading the charge against the already-passed Obamacare!  whoopie!

105 52 YES WE CAN.

SUCK IT LOSERS

Posted by: Phil at March 22, 2010 12:09 AM (lI9wK)

You certainly did.  Thank you goes out to your party, with your full support, for bankrupting the nation and turning us into some run-of-the-mill European-style socialist state.  You know, Europe, where 27 nations have to form an organization to compete with the U.S. economically.

I guess you also missed the full CBO analysis, not the rosy misleading one from the Democrats.  There will be no $138B cut in the federal deficit over the next 10 years.  Instead, with all the relevant costs included, there will be $662B added to the deficit.  But, hey, douchebags like you got your health care plan passed.  Now, along with the increased deficits, here comes the increased taxes, depreciated currency, inflation, etc., as well as rationed care.  You and your party will own not only the problems with the health care system, but also all the resulting financial problems.  Congratulations.  I'm sure the voters will be very pleased with it.

106 In case no one has noted it, it's pretty obvious that Stupak was only doing schtick intended to get him support from pro-life voters and groups.  He figured out a pretty sweet way to get all of them to see him as their champion and they ASSUMED he actually gave a rat's ass about the abortion issue.  His problem is that he's now been revealed to be no more pro-life than Pelosi or Reid, and as the Susan B. Anthony award recission shows, no pro-lifer will trust or support him again.

107 Wyatt@85, How they voted...

http://tiny.cc/yc4fd

108 Trust me, after working in politics with a bunch of "blue dogs", those "principaled" blue dogs always ended up at the feet of their master.

109 No, using the efficiency of the government, you will get a letter informing you that you will be getting a letter.

And the second letter will never arrive, which you will learn when you show up at some office for an unrelated task/service and you are denied for failing to comply with that letter.

110 SUCK IT LOSERS

Sorry, but your mom let us know about your "accident", you know the time you poured honey over your scrotum and visited the bears at the zoo. Nothing really left down there to suck, is there?


YES WE CAN.  

I hope you can. I mean, I hope you can pay all those taxes to support me and mine when I start working off the books and sign up for every bit of those sweet taxpayer funded goodies.

111
Remember to pay your taxes on April 15, just like Timmy Geitner.

112 With the American public opposing this bill before it passed, and Obama's approval at around 45%, where do you think his numbers will go next?  Up or down?

113 davidt - Thanks!

114 So there we have it; a "law" conceived in utter contempt the law.

115 The Republicans shouldn't escape any blame in this.  There is a growing feeling among a lot of people that they didn't fight very hard against this bill.  They could easily have lobbied (bribed) enough Dems to change their vote.  The treachery is not all on the Dem side....

Posted by: w'evver at March 22, 2010 12:20 AM (1kwr2)

The GOP wildly underestimated the sinister nature of The Precedent, his true desires (most people STILL do, yourself included, probably), and the truly lunatic nature of the dem junta.  This is why they attended the voodoo zombification summit which served to resurrect the dead bill ... once again.  But the GOP weren't alone.  Most conservatives, save a very few, were advising them to not participate.  Many on the right lacked a decent understanding of the true motivations of The Precedent and how much he INTENDED to break taboos and traditions and laws ... and how willing the dems would be to going along with that.

The treachery is ALL on the dem side, and on the WHOLE dem side, no matter how they voted.  Some deadly naivete is the problem on the right.  Don't equate the two.

116 The bill is fine.  My problem is the pork.  Did someone even address the pork?  I mean, the pork.  Really, now...

117 Did'ja notice today's (errr, yesterday) bing page? Case you wanta know where stupak lives, bing had it for you.

118 "With the American public opposing this bill before it passed, and Obama's approval at around 45%, where do you think his numbers will go next?  Up or down?"

Gallup already has him tracking up to 50.

I would guess rasmussen will have him in that range by midweek.

119 I don't know how old you are, but I'm 21. I haven't even begun to test my productive or creative abilities. I don't know what I'll achieve, but there's only one way to find out. I'm not willing to let my future be more dim than my parents' or grandparents'. Please send us more of you. We'll need them.

120 Professional race-baiter Al Sharpton thinks the GOP won't win that many seats in November.  Whew!  If the voice of reason doesn't think so . . .

121 goodnight folks. not bothering to go into work tomorrow, i think. fk em i need to plan

122 Stupak sold out cheap.   Really, really cheap.

But let's be honest.  He's a Democrat.  He wasn't philosophically opposed to the bill, just one provision of it.   It struck me from the beginning of this whole exercise that the pro-lifers were putting way too much faith in him.

In the overall scheme of things, the Stupak crew are still as much into armed robbery as the rest of the Democrats, they just prefer to use knives and clubs instead of guns.

I suppose a "Shoot them before they vote again" bumper sticker would be crossing a line, but man, I wouldn't at all mind seeing a certain 219 Democrats accidentally locked up in a ship tied up to a dock in BFE for the rest of the year.

123 I wouldve bribed 8-9 Democrats to vote No at the last minute in exchange for a guarantee not to spend any $ campaigning against them, give them a pass.

They wouldn't bite on a promise like that, because they wouldn't believe you'd follow through.  They wouldn't believe you'd follow through, because THEY wouldn't follow through on such a promise and would project their own treacherousness onto you.

124 Stupak is a Democrat, they believe in nothing other than obtaining power.  You're pro-life?  So am I!  You're pro-abortion?  Hey me too! 

It's like those things you read about Muslims, that promises to "unbelievers" do not have to be honored at all. 

BTW, how does one get a photoshop  into the Ace rotation?  I drew a pic of the Capitol building combined with the Legion of Doom's Darth Vader shaped HQ, and it's kind of relevant except for the beers I'm having.

125

Dr. Benishek clearly needs someone with real experience helping with his campaign.

No website?

No donation site?

They should have been prepared for this and, if not, a website with a donation button would have been a must anyway. Even now, I had to look for the Paypal link to donate.

Anyone here that's in his area or could help him out?

126 Bart "216" Stupak, the man who made government funded abortion the law of the land.

127 The Republicans shouldn't escape any blame in this.  There is a growing feeling among a lot of people that they didn't fight very hard against this bill.  They could easily have lobbied (bribed) enough Dems to change their vote.  The treachery is not all on the Dem side....

Posted by: w'evver at March 22, 2010 12:20 AM (1kwr2)

Bribe them with what?  The minority party in a given house of Congress doesn't control many perks or levers of power.  What could they have used as a bribe that they didn't?

128 stupak is a scrunt.

129 Here's a website that's completely jammed right now:

www.firenancypelosi.com

I think the politically rage has only just begun.

130 121 goodnight folks. not bothering to go into work tomorrow, i think. fk em i need to plan   It's ok if you get fired.  You'll eventually have free and crappy healthcare...
 

131 So....what are the markets going to look like in the near future?

Also, what will it mean for all this is we end up losing our credit rating?  Will it end up unfunding itself, especially if China stops buying our debt (which, I know, we'll have bigger issues to worry about but still)...?

132 98 Then what would they do come election time? The Dems would probably have made them sign the deals & it would be brought before the courts.

133 OH, a lecture from Geraldo -- pretty damn obvious where his bias lies.    Fox really blew it tonight.  They should be ashamed. 

134 Posted by: Olliander at March 22, 2010 12:30 AM (j4xgZ)

Man I wish I could call off work tomorrow - I have two lib bosses, one of which I know won't be able to help himself from making a comment.  I'm tempted to go in and immediately say my pet died tonight or something (not entirely a lie!) so I'll have an excuse for random bursts of tears.

135
So there we have it; a "law" conceived in utter contempt the law.

Indeed. 

What are we willing to do about this?  This is no longer flowery fpeech.

136

stupak is a scrunt

No, he's a papist.

What you see in Stupak is the horrifying reality of legalistic nihilism.

These are exactly the same battles our forefathers were fighting 500 years ago.

 

137 STOCK MARKET
crashes tomorrow?

138

Posted by: w'evver at March 22, 2010 12:20 AM (1kwr2)

I hate fucking concern trolls.

139 March, 2010.  The end of the Republic.?  No, that happen in November, 2008 when the American voters elected these Democrat chumps.  They have the majority that they need to ram through any legislation they want any time they want to.  This is the reality today.  Anything else is just wishful thinking.

140 #134 Olliander

Give the bosses this URL:
http://www.zombietime.com/hall_of_shame/

Congratulate the bosses on the fact that people with views like these will be in charge of their next heart attack.

141 92 "The Dems are bluffing.  They don't have the votes...seriously."

LOL!  Gotta love know-nothing Eric Cantor

Boehner also said they didn't have the votes.

These people are why you lose every time.

Posted by: Bob at March 22, 2010 12:21 AM (u6p6X)

LOL?  What are you, a 13-year-old girl?

What were Cantor, Boehner, & Co. supposed to say, asshole?  It's over?  We lost?  They were probably hoping to convince a few Democrats to vote with them, though knowing it was an uphill battle.  Nonetheless, the Democrats had all the power, with a huge majority.  One mistake the House GOP members made is that they thought even the Democrats wouldn't push for a bill that a majority of the country clearly doesn't want, especially considering the country's current financial ills.  But Pelosi & Co. did.  And douchebags like you actually celebrate.  Unbelievable.

142 NOPE, fucking awsome, what are the odds of that,

Bing did Stupak their home page for today's vote [SERIOUSLY - PAINTED ROCKS - DEAD HOME STUPAK]...

What are the odds of that...

$750K for an airport toilet cleaning or two...

143 I want to vent but I just feel spent.

144 STOCK MARKET
crashes tomorrow?

I was kicking myself all weekend for not cashing out my 401k on Friday.  I think there will be an earthquake with the market tomorrow.

145 Meh, they would have just been "useless eaters" anyway, right?  Its not like this country will have to grow its population significantly to service this mountain of debt, that would be silly.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 22, 2010 12:14 AM (vgcO1)

Not just useless eaters, but future criminals and members of the permanent underclass.  At least, according to Margaret Sanger.  And according to Zeke Emanuel, it's much more cost-effective to eliminate them before they start diverting society's resources from decent, productive people.

146
Fart Fucking Stupidfuck (aka Fart Stu-puke) is target #1.  He must be destroyed.  He is a lying, treasonous, backstabbing, vote-trading piece of baby-murdering subhuman shit.  It is not enough to vote him out.  He must be destroyed to the point that his children deny being his offspring and his wife will be ashamed to lay down with him.  There will be no quarter.  I will not rest until his children will proclaim themselves bastards and yaldsons rather than admitting to being the ill-bred spawn of this piece of shit.  Bart Stu-puke is target #1.  He must be destroyed.

Listen to me, Morons: we must dehumanize and destroy these marxist pieces of shit.  Being nice is no longer an option, they must be annihilated by any means necessary, or this country is doomed.  Being "nice" is why we're in this sad state of affairs (and thanks GW Bush for laying down and taking in the ass with no lube for EIGHT FUCKING YEARS, and thanks JS MCAIN for telling us we had nothing to fear from this fucking Marxist cocksucker Obama while you hung your noble running-mate out to dry).  They are not our "worthy opponents", they are not the "loyal opposition", THEY ARE THE FUCKING ENEMY! 

147 In the overall scheme of things, the Stupak crew are still as much into armed robbery as the rest of the Democrats, they just prefer to use knives and clubs instead of guns.

Posted by: mrkwong at March 22, 2010 12:28 AM (G8Eo0)

They all thought it was armed robbery, before.  After Scott Brown (the silent Scott Brown ...) and the new push, the dems realized that it was a suicide bombing by The Precedent designed to destroy everything.  It has.  Congress has been broken.  Confidence in the Executive is nonexistent.  The Dems are finished.  The dollar is further at risk.  The media has been totally discredited.  An all-out assault by the federal government on the citizenry has been effected. ... and the Constitution has been brutally gang-raped, which was all the dems had been looking to help with.

The Stupak crew just escorted the bombers in to the malls.

148 www.firenancypelosi.com

Looks like they're adding about $1,000 every minute or so.

149 Wonder how all the people in the insurance industry who voted (D) are feelin' about now.

150

Listen to me, Morons: we must dehumanize and destroy these marxist pieces of shit.  Being nice is no longer an option, they must be annihilated by any means necessary, or this country is doomed.  Being "nice" is why we're in this sad state of affairs (and thanks GW Bush for laying down and taking in the ass with no lube for EIGHT FUCKING YEARS, and thanks JS MCAIN for telling us we had nothing to fear from this fucking Marxist cocksucker Obama while you hung your noble running-mate out to dry).  They are not our "worthy opponents", they are not the "loyal opposition", THEY ARE THE FUCKING ENEMY! 

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b+tard at March 22, 2010 12:36 AM (6dDvt)

Sing it!

151
I want to vent but I just feel spent.

Our time will come later.  Get in shape.   Run a few miles. 

152 Besides, the Republicans just got a "pro-life" Democrat to metaphorically hang himself on the floor of the House. That's more than we could have asked for in a long time.

Passionate speeches from Ryan, Cantor, Boehner, & some others whose names I don't know. Haven't see the Rs that fired-up in ages. We also have Ryan to thank for making the CBO go through OCare line-by-line, as well as for debating the House Rules Committee solo for 30min. Or how about that "Hell No" smack-down from Boehner tonight? If those Dems had any shame, they would have listened to him. They have no shame.

Despite all this, though, the Dems only received 219 votes, only 3 above the 16. If Stupak hadn't have been a sell-out, we would have won this thing. Remember that.  

153 March, 2010.  The end of the Republic.?  No, that happen in November, 2008 when the American voters elected these Democrat chumps.

Posted by: czekmark at March 22, 2010 12:34 AM (WqdjW)

The election of the Indonesian Imbecile was declaration of national suicide.  Everyone knew that.  It came out of a psychotic break that America had in the wake of the credit crisis and people just decided to end it all.  They did.

That's how I've seen it.

154 Give the bosses this URL:
http://www.zombietime.com/hall_of_shame/

Congratulate the bosses on the fact that people with views like these will be in charge of their next heart attack.

Posted by: Eris at March 22, 2010 12:34 AM (ddIfT)

I would, but...I'm pretty sure my male boss might not have much of an issue with those pics.

155 "Posted by: Slappy at March 22, 2010 12:34 AM (ljvjO)"

I just hope and pray that people like "Bob" (B_ig Ol B_utthole) are the first ones to die in the line to the emergency room waiting for their Obamadoctor to treat their septic colons.

156

Now I can finally pursue my dream of being a low income jewelry designer and let all you suckers pay for my insurance.

Thanks guys!

157 149 Wonder how all the people in the insurance industry who voted (D) are feelin' about now.

Posted by: Eris at March 22, 2010 12:38 AM (ddIfT)

They ought to be updating their resume, for all the good it will do them.

158

Tiger Woods picked a good day to do his interview.

No one gives a shit about that fucking idiot right now.

159 So....what are the markets going to look like in the near future?

The S&P 500 probably won't change much individually, since many of those companies won't be changing their health care packages much anyway, unless they're offering "Cadillac plans", which will fall by the wayside very quickly as people realize paying cash for those "plus" services is actually cheaper since it gives you a chance to negotiate with your doctor.  If you hand a guy actual greenbacks and he doesn't have to handle billing hassles, you'll get a pretty good price.

The added tax on dividends will lessen the utility of holding dividend stocks.  This will have a big impact on some mutual funds that are heavily dividend stock invested.  It may drive some of them to realign somewhat into riskier growth stocks to try and maintain their performance levels.

160

Sing it!

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at March 22, 2010 12:38 AM (F09Uo)

Hi.  I'm Editor.  I'm an American, and the Democrats are enemies of my Country.

*nods as you all clap*

161  Wonder how all the people in the insurance industry who voted (D) are feelin' about now.

Posted by: Eris at March 22, 2010 12:38 AM (ddIfT)

Probably better than they are going to feel when people start canceling their insurance and know that they can buy it back if they get sick because there are no pre existing conditions now and no mandate to have insurance until 2014.

162

odb @147

I like the cut of your newsletter and wish to subscribe to your jib.

163

Can the constitutionality of the Congressional Exeption from the legislation be challenged in court?

Any legal opinions?

164

Now on to Amnesty!

Oh boy oh boy!

165 Please send us more of you. We'll need them.

Oh, we're here.  I think a lot of us might be confused, disheartened, or swept up in somewhat violent rhetoric (for the moment).  But really, the American Dream, if it's worth anything, won't be killed by even something this bad.  Again, what alternative do we have? 

Plus, I think the Dems are counting on this "victory" to be so disheartening that we lay down and accept Cap and Trade, amnesty, and God knows what else.  We can't let that happen.

166 144 STOCK MARKET
crashes tomorrow?

I was kicking myself all weekend for not cashing out my 401k on Friday.  I think there will be an earthquake with the market tomorrow.

Posted by: smartsy at March 22, 2010 12:36 AM (pq986)

Don't bet on it: Baked in the cake.  The market prices such things in.

Look for the unemployment numbers on April 2, though.  That's where the tale will be told on this bill.

167 How big is the underground market?  What opportunities are there?

168

Pecking order:

Grave robber

C#nt

Scrunt

Congressman Stupak

169 That firepelosi site is cool.

170 @153: "The election of the Indonesian Imbecile was declaration of national suicide.  Everyone knew that.  It came out of a psychotic break that America had in the wake of the credit crisis and people just decided to end it all.  They did.

That's how I've seen it."

They say the Soviet Union fell because it ran out of people willing to kill to maintain communism.  The American Republic fell for a similar reason. 

In doing nothing, to stop an obvious existential threat, the people have chosen.  Now, let us go boldy forward into the Glorious Future, Comrades.

171 Not just useless eaters, but future criminals and members of the permanent underclass.

I wonder how libs can believe that.  Take a good look around, say, Chicago.  It's not the high school dropouts who abort their babies--they go on to have six or seven more, because every baby gets them a bigger check.  And the school and vaccinations and shit are all paid for, and they sure don't let the babies get in the way of their drinking and fucking, so what do they care? 

The women who abort their babies for financial and "lifestyle" reasons are educated and/or working to pay their own rent. 

172 Man, Stupak's facebook page looks pretty lit up.  You were right.

Remember morons: Repeal is good.  Rolling back the New Deal and the Great Society?  Even better.

173 So Obama couldn't be bothered with  all the behind the scenes wrangling of votes today. He was busy watching basketball. Michelle and the girls were watching a Broadway play, and by the way, no more photos of the girls. Hello, is this America anymore?I keep thinking I'll wake up from this nightmare.....

174

164

Yeah, they've run the nation over...now they put the car in reverse and finish the job.

175 @147:  I think that that Obamacare should officially be called StupakCare.  He is the traitor that will forever have a mark on him for selling out his principles and selling out the country.  That man will forever wish that he could go back in time and lead his supposed coalition to vote no.

176

Look for the unemployment numbers on April 2, though.  That's where the tale will be told on this bill.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 22, 2010 12:42 AM (Vo2Ef)

That fast, you think?

I still want someone smarter than me to tell me if the loss of our credit rating would have any bearing on the bill living its shelf-life.

177 Someone wake me from this nightmare.  I know I should be writing a paper, but all I can think about is what the next few years are going to bring...

178 Should I hold my breath for the Pope to denounce this as the work of the devil and to ban any democrat from the holy sacraments ?

179 177 Someone wake me from this nightmare.  I know I should be writing a paper, but all I can think about is what the next few years are going to bring...

Posted by: JeepGirl at March 22, 2010 12:45 AM (f8LqY)

Heh, I already gave up on mine...it'll just have to be late.

180 178 Should I hold my breath for the Pope to denounce this as the work of the devil and to ban any democrat from the holy sacraments ?

Posted by: Barbarian at March 22, 2010 12:46 AM (EL+OC)

Like they'd give a shit.  Their 'faith' is all talk.

181 If Cantor made that pronouncement believing that Stupak wouldn't bitch out, then Cantor would have been correct. Cantor isn't a no-nothing, he just had no idea what a pussy Stupak is.

182 Yeah, not only do the Dems have a large majority but they have 99% of media, labor and academe on their side as well as the socialist octopus that has control of most of the rest of the globe. Turning on the Republicans right now seems a little silly. I don't find them particularly inspiring but I'm not kidding myself about a third party. The Dems have all the money in the world right now so compromising a nebulous party that promises to block the Dems opposition from even having a shot at repealing this would be a snap. If there wasn't a third party to threaten the Republicans they'd manufacture one.

183 The more I think about it the more it seems to me that the Stupak manuvers were a planned diversion all along.

184 Posted by: robtr at March 22, 2010 12:41 AM

Probably better than they are going to feel when people start canceling their insurance and know that they can buy it back if they get sick because there are no pre existing conditions now and no mandate to have insurance until 2014.

SERIOUSLY - How can we throw a couple of bucks towards a class-action binding decision??? I am down.

185

It's a win-win for Stupak. The guy's a household name now. He's the face of the unicorn - the "Moderate" Democrat.

All it cost him was paying lipservice to a cause he was always going to betray in the end.

Did he get a bad deal in the end? No, he got a great deal. Who the hell would be talking about Bart Stupak without this dog and pony show? This has been a wet dream for him.

Listen, you've heard it said before, but listen again: there are no pro-life Democrats.

If what it comes down to is holding Democrats in-line over the abortion issue, they won't.

When push comes to shove they will sell the unborn down the river -- all the while voting for fiscal Ponzi schemes and increased borrowing against that same generation they just issued a death warrant for.

They're not morons. We are.

They are evil.

186 I would, but...I'm pretty sure my male boss might not have much of an issue with those pics.

If you're not scared of  Scrotum Man, you're not human.

187

I still want someone smarter than me to tell me if the loss of our credit rating would have any bearing on the bill living its shelf-life.

Posted by: tdpwells at March 22, 2010 12:44 AM (Ei3oZ)

Our kids are not going to pay for this. They're going to move out of the country and let the stupid parasites starve in their miserable shitholes.

188

@146: "The Dems are finished"

Nope, the Right is dead and buried.  Best case scenario, they retake Congress in 2010 and the Presidency by 2010.  The economy will collapse on their watch.  The public will blame them.  Amnesty and Cap & Trade get delayed a few years.

At least it will be fun to watch the people who put their faith in the system panic. 

189 Despite all this, though, the Dems only received 219 votes, only 3 above the 16. If Stupak hadn't have been a sell-out, we would have won this thing. Remember that. 

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 22, 2010 12:39 AM (yfJ6g)

Stupak has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is no such thing as a pro-life Democrat politician, only a Democrat politician willing to pretend to be pro-life if it gets him donations and votes in a socially conservative district.  That's going to hurt some number of House Democrats that had previously convinced their socially conservative constituents that they would fight for the unborn from within the Democrat Party.

190 You guys seriously need to calm down.  ('Cuz we can't afford high blood pressure treatment for all of you.)

191 @163 Of course, its conclusory. Otherwise every bill would have that. I think they tried that with Gitmo commissions and it didn't work there either

192 182

remember, Obama's poll number don't look very good, and Fox News rules the News...the hold of the Left on is slipping and may just have gone off the cliff.

193 These people are why you lose every time. 

Posted by: Bob at March 22, 2010 12:21 AM (u6p6X)

Emphasis on the "you" and not "we."

See, you still can't argue worth crap and you still sockpuppet to try to support yourself, but you will find more respect here if you're honest about what you are.

Of course that's respect on a relative scale.  After the stuff you posted in response to Malor, I hope they take a record of that (with your IP address) and throw that at you if you ever try to do anything of significance in politics or in public.

I feel like I'm missing something.

Oh yeah, go f'k yourself.

194 If you're not scared of  Scrotum Man, you're not human.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 22, 2010 12:47 AM (OkT2m)

By boss is one of those assholes who shouts out KARL ROVE whenever someone in ear shot is the least bit critical of a democrat.  Yeah, he's one of those.

I find small comfort in the fact that HIS boss is a conservative.

195 148 www.firenancypelosi.com

Looks like they're adding about $1,000 every minute or so.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at March 22, 2010 12:38 AM (zLhuq)

Hmmm.  It's an RNC site. Not terribly interested.

196 @tdpwells

The annoying thing is, it's a busy-work kinda paper.  It shouldn't take me more than an hour to churn it out.  But this is just so damn distracting...I can't focus.

197

Does anyone think Pelosi WANTED Stupak to take the fall for the Dems, so the focus of the anger will be on a so-called moderate Dem, instead of her radical libs?  So he can be primaried and gotten rid of?  Does Stupak have a primary challenger? 

Am I making sense here?

/really sick with bronchitis and sinusitis - good thing it's before Obamacare!

 

 

198

It's a win-win for Stupak. The guy's a household name now. He's the face of the unicorn - the "Moderate" Democrat.

Posted by: Cowboy at March 22, 2010 12:47 AM (zwrlc)

So, using your logic, if I may call it that, Lee Harvey Oswald did pretty well for himself on November 22, 1963.

199 Bob go fuck yourself...

200

I still want someone smarter than me to tell me if the loss of our credit rating would have any bearing on the bill living its shelf-life.

Posted by: tdpwells at March 22, 2010 12:44 AM (Ei3oZ)

It would have a bearing on the future existence of the United States.  But, it's unlikely that we will lose our credit rating, since we can print money to pay off anything we want, and the federal government has already made clear that they are intending to monetize the debt (i.e. print money like crazy).  In that case, credit ratings stay AAA, but interest rates go through the roof and the value of the dollar sinks to unimaginable depths ... literally.

201 Lt. Quarles Harris Jr.

You're an anticatholic bigot.

202 165 What you're saying reminds me of Mr. Smith Goes to Washington.

203 Look for the unemployment numbers on April 2, though.  That's where the tale will be told on this bill.

What ever those numbers are they'll be unexpected I tell you -- unexpected!

204 @Thea...yeah, I was going to comment on that, too.  Those were some incredible leaps in logic.

205 Time to start a new website:

"Stupak dead baby watch"

Since we all know the "Presidential executive order" is a sham that will be killed in court, or simply reversed by Obama himself with a Chicagoland smile on his face.

206 Jefferson Smith: You see, boys forget what their country means by just reading The Land of the Free in history books. Then they get to be men they forget even more. Liberty's too precious a thing to be buried in books, Miss Saunders. Men should hold it up in front of them every single day of their lives and say: I'm free to think and to speak. My ancestors couldn't, I can, and my children will. Boys ought to grow up remembering that.

207 Jefferson Smith: [His voice very hoarse] Just get up off the ground, that's all I ask. Get up there with that lady that's up on top of this Capitol dome, that lady that stands for liberty. Take a look at this country through her eyes if you really want to see something. And you won't just see scenery; you'll see the whole parade of what Man's carved out for himself, after centuries of fighting. Fighting for something better than just jungle law, fighting so's he can stand on his own two feet, free and decent, like he was created, no matter what his race, color, or creed. That's what you'd see. There's no place out there for graft, or greed, or lies, or compromise with human liberties. And, uh, if that's what the grownups have done with this world that was given to them, then we'd better get those boys' camps started fast and see what the kids can do. And it's not too late, because this country is bigger than the Taylors, or you, or me, or anything else. Great principles don't get lost once they come to light. They're right here; you just have to see them again!

208 SERIOUSLY - How can we throw a couple of bucks towards a class-action binding decision??? I am down.

Posted by: Druid at March 22, 2010 12:47 AM (Gct7d)

I just had a beer with a couple of friends, between the two of them they have about 40 employees. They are going to have their lawyer check it out and if does what we think it does they will cancel their employees insurance, give them each a $1,000 per year medical account for check ups and such and then promise to buy any individual insurance that gets sick. They believe between the two of them they will save about $500,000 this year. The employees pay their own dental anyway if they want it so that would stay.

209

Hmmm.  It's an RNC site. Not terribly interested.

Posted by: K~Bob at March 22, 2010 12:50 AM (9b6FB)

So we're paying Michael Steele more money to be a useless dickwad and feeding McCain more money to stab us in the back while he sucks Obama's schvantz.

Send the money  to Dr. Benichek or J. D. Haywood instead, where it may do some actual good.

210 The annoying thing is, it's a busy-work kinda paper.  It shouldn't take me more than an hour to churn it out.  But this is just so damn distracting...I can't focus.

Posted by: JeepGirl at March 22, 2010 12:50 AM (f8LqY)

Same here, I just have to write an analysis of a skimming scheme based on given facts about the fraud, and I just can't get my brain to go the direction I want it to.  So I gave up.  I can handle the late points deduction.  I also fully plan on abusing company time and doing it at work tomorrow.

211

The Dems are bluffing.  They don't have the votes...seriously."
LOL!  Gotta love know-nothing Eric Cantor
Boehner also said they didn't have the votes.
These people are why you lose every time. 

Nice try, Bob.  The Dems didn't have the votes to pass this until about 3:30pm Sunday.  When did Cantor and Boehner make those statements?  Facts, please...

212 Cantor isn't a no-nothing, he just had no idea what a pussy Stupak is.

Posted by: sunny black at March 22, 2010 12:46 AM (lFhqf)

Not a pussy.  A lying deceiving manipulator who was putting on a show to get donations and votes from pro-lifers.  He just got to the point where he couldn't keep up the charade.

213

Sarah. En Fuego.

http://tinyurl.com/ye47gyx

214 What we have now is focus.  They have shown us that:
(1) They will spit on popular will.  This means that you can call every Dem candidate a "Stupak" -- somebody you can't trust.
(2) They have no fiscal responsibility whatsoever.
(3) They are corrupt, the bribes are everywhere.  This is the most corrupt piece of legislation in recent history.

No distractions.  Repeal and replace.

215 Probably better than they are going to feel when people start canceling their insurance and know that they can buy it back if they get sick because there are no pre existing conditions now and no mandate to have insurance until 2014.

That's my plan if this isn't repealed. 

You can pay the fine for a LOT less than you can get a policy.  If you need something expensive, then just sign up when you need it, and drop the policy when you don't and save a bundle.

I don't think these rocket scientists realized people will be doing that in fracking droves now that insurance has to cover preexisting conditions.

I've needed an operation for over 10 years now to repair a ventral hernia, but I've been putting it off because it doesn't hurt, doesn't seem to interfere with intestinal plumbing, and is blown out enough that strangulation issues are moot.  I've had 3 previous hernia repairs (of which only one held), so I'm not real egar to go under the knife again unless it can be done at a very minimal cost to me. 

If I could sign up with some dumbass insurance company for a month, compel them to pay for fixing this preexisting condition, then I'm gonna hammer them and stop paying the premiums as soon as I'm out of the recovery room.

I'd give it at most about 5 years in operation before most of the insurance companies simply decide to get out of the health insurance business as a money loser and move on to other ventures.

216 @tdpwells

You really do have the right idea.  I'm going to continue on with this bott- glass, I mean, of wine, and worry about the paper tomorrow.  Not due until late afternoon.  :-)

217 85: Is there a list of the Dems who voted against yet? Want to know who I won't spit upon when I go to D.C. Those retards voted to put Botox Nancy in charge. This doesn't change that, and they need to be held responsible for that.

218 Wow..on the www.firenancypelosi.com site, they have collected $126k in an hour and a half.  The wrath and fury of a scorned nation will be a sight to behold.

219 199 Bob go fuck yourself...

Posted by: Donna at March 22, 2010 12:51 AM (6heFO)

Oh, I'm sure "Anal Eaze" Bob has done that repeatedly tonight to "celebrate" the passage of this disastrous health care bill.  By now, Bob's probably trying to figure out how to dislodge the blunt object but is happy that this type of rectal "injury" that he regularly "suffers" will be covered as a pre-existing condition under the new health care system.

220 Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 22, 2010 12:54 AM (yfJ6g)

Yes, but Mr. Smith was in the Senate, where one Senator willing to talk himself into a coma can make a difference (or used to be, before the filibuster became a matter of form instead of substance).  In the House, he would have been squashed like a bug.

221 Plus, I think the Dems are counting on this "victory" to be so disheartening that we lay down and accept Cap and Trade, amnesty, and God knows what else. We can't let that happen. You may be wise beyond your years. That's precisely what the Demotards are hoping... that they can use this "victory" to act as impetus to enact another slew of "progressive reforms." Liberty-killing and economy-eroding bureaucracies, in plain English.

222 As much as I despise the RNC, it does run ads and send money to many candidates we support. It has less stringent spending limits. And it sends a message to liberals.

223 Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 22, 2010 12:57 AM (vgcO1)

I like my ventral hernia.  It comes out to wink at me in the morning when I shave.

224 FireNancyPelosi.com is up to $129,353 -- more than 1/4 of its goal. And there are still 38 hours left in the countdown.

225
Me and Billy The Kid never got along.

226

It would have a bearing on the future existence of the United States.  But, it's unlikely that we will lose our credit rating, since we can print money to pay off anything we want, and the federal government has already made clear that they are intending to monetize the debt (i.e. print money like crazy).  In that case, credit ratings stay AAA, but interest rates go through the roof and the value of the dollar sinks to unimaginable depths ... literally.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at March 22, 2010 12:51 AM (A46hP)

Well gee, I'm chipper now.

227

PA

You don't even have to pay a fine until 2014. The way I understand the bill you have 3 1/2 years of free insurance unless you get sick, then you would have to buy a policy.

228 White House Releases Photo of Obama at Moment of Passage

229

Not a pussy.  A lying deceiving manipulator who was putting on a show to get donations and votes from pro-lifers.  He just got to the point where he couldn't keep up the charade. Posted by: stuiec at March 22, 2010 12:55 AM (W+GYq)

True. I stand corrected.

230 @222 Yeah, and I like the site as a good anger barometer.

231

You misunderstand, TexasJew. Stupak is a Democrat. He wins by pretending to be pro-life, then betraying pro-life, within the Democratic Party. Such action guarantees him two things. One, he gets national focus as a "moderate" Democrat. That means more money, more political and media attention, in short more power. Two, he confirms to the party leadership that all his pro-life talk is just that, talk. Thus, he proves the case for himself as a team player ready to rise through the ranks into more leadership and chairmanship positions.

He's established his pro-life credentials as a marketable front. Yes, it is just a front, as he just proved, but he's succeeded in selling it so far.

Yes, if the people of Michigan send him packing it will have all been for naught like Lee Harvey Oswald.

I pray to God that's exactly what will happen, that he gets thrown off on his ass.

But he'll probably skate through. He's a "moderate", you see?

 

232

@58: "We will defeat them in November and then get to work un-doing what they did today.. before the crap kicks in.."

To quote Bender Bending Rodriguez: "Wait, you're serious.  In that case, let me laugh even harder."

Socialist programs don't get undone.

233 Ron Paul and his crew are saying national bankruptcy will repeal Obamacare.  Hmm.

I think I'm gonna eat this entire bag of Reeses peanut butter eggs.

234 the 10 million for Repealing Obamacare facebook page grew quickly. a couple of thousand in the one hour i was paying attention. it's up to 6,000+ last i checked....

235 You may be wise beyond your years. That's precisely what the Demotards are hoping... that they can use this "victory" to act as impetus to enact another slew of "progressive reforms." Liberty-killing and economy-eroding bureaucracies, in plain English.

Posted by: George Orwell at March 22, 2010 12:58 AM (AZGON)

When you strike a sleeping beast, you had better strike it dead.  Otherwise it will wake up really, really pissed off.  Adm. Yamamoto understood that.  I hope the Republicans in Congress now understand fully that collegiality, bipartisanship and all other forms of business as usual are dead so long as Pelosi, Reid and Obama are in charge on the other side.

236

200

It would have a bearing on the future existence of the United States.  But, it's unlikely that we will lose our credit rating, since we can print money to pay off anything we want, and the federal government has already made clear that they are intending to monetize the debt (i.e. print money like crazy).  In that case, credit ratings stay AAA, but interest rates go through the roof and the value of the dollar sinks to unimaginable depths ... literally.

Can't wait for the New York Times take on Obama inflation.  Something tells me it won't be "women and minorities hardest hit".

237

True. I stand corrected.

Posted by: sunny black at March 22, 2010 01:03 AM (lFhqf)

(Oh, by the way... I shouldn't have discounted the fact that he might ALSO be a pussy.)

238

@59: "Planned Parenthood gushed tonight that now we can boast of 400,000 more abortions a year."

Kids tend to adopt the politics of their parents.  Libs are the primary group for abortions.  400K fewer libs per year? If they wanna whack themselves out, I'm cool with it.

"God save our country."

The Lord works in mysterious ways.  See above commentary.  Sadly, 400K fewer libs/year won't mean much when they pass amnesty somewhere down the road.

 

239 >Socialist programs don't get undone.
if you have a galvanized, informed, and committed populace, why is it so crazy? i know traditionally they don't get undone. but, personally, i think people are more engaged and more aware of freedom, liberty, hell, Hayek, then at any time in the past 20 years (maybe i'm wrong?). if people are motivated to throw away the FREE medium 1-topping pizza because they hate the pizza-maker so much and they hate what he represents, then repeal is more possible than experts are willing to appreciate. people are pissed.

240

I blame all you fuckers, and myself.  The bloggers and commenters on this site and many more were so confidently proclaiming that this thing was dead several weeks ago.  Yeah, there were a few not-so-fasters, but the majority of opponents of this thing were way too premature in pronouncing Obamacare dead.

The lesson learned is that the left is far more experienced at playing dirty, gaming the system, corruption, bribery, and lying than the right will ever be.  So do we roll over and play the part of The Chicken, or do we do something about it.  And if we do something about it, are we willing to finally take the fucking gloves off?

 

241 Being able to vote some of these assholes out in November doesn't seem like a strong enough response. Besides in my case no matter what I do it won't matter...  I live  in Vermont which means I have two moonbat senators and one moonbat representative and all 3 of them will continue to  be reelected until such time as they choose to retire. I wish it wasn't true but compared to us Massachusetts is Goldwater/Reagan territory.       

242

Stop being sad, morons.   This isn't the end of all things.  Free Men will always know what is right. 

243 Hey a 46er! Good job! I'm like a 20 or 21er....

244

I blame all you fuckers, and myself.  The bloggers and commenters on this site and many more were so confidently proclaiming that this thing was dead several weeks ago.  Yeah, there were a few not-so-fasters, but the majority of opponents of this thing were way too premature in pronouncing Obamacare dead.

 

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 22, 2010 01:09 AM (U37Ux)

If you can show me where we said SO DON'T BOTHER FIGHTING IT then I'll concede your point.  Until then...

245

Being able to vote some of these assholes out in November doesn't seem like a strong enough response. Besides in my case no matter what I do it won't matter...  I live  in Vermont which means I have two moonbat senators and one moonbat representative and all 3 of them will continue to  be reelected until such time as they choose to retire. I wish it wasn't true but compared to us Massachusetts is Goldwater/Reagan territory.       

246 220 The point was the content:

"Liberty's too precious a thing to be buried in books, Miss Saunders. Men should hold it up in front of them every single day of their lives and say: I'm free to think and to speak. My ancestors couldn't, I can, and my children will."

"Great principles don't get lost once they come to light. They're right here; you just have to see them again!"

That's still true. Freedom, liberty, all our great principles still mean something, despite what the Dems have done to us tonight. They are right here, & we do need to work on people seeing them again.

247 "I blame all you fuckers, and myself.  The bloggers and commenters on this site and many more were so confidently proclaiming that this thing was dead several weeks ago.  Yeah, there were a few not-so-fasters, but the majority of opponents of this thing were way too premature in pronouncing Obamacare dead."

I certainly did my best to tell everyone what was really going on!

Now this week, there will be more gnashing of teeth when Obama's poll numbers rise....

248 Right, it's the 10% who haven't been wailing and gnashing their teeth the whole time that were the problem. How could they have been so damned calm and rational! They're plants, I tell ya! Death to confidence!

249 Down with mental stability!

250 Is there a cap on premiums? Seems to me that if you force a company to insure pre-exisiting conditions, the buy-in cost should be heading to the stratosphere.

251 Traditionally, we abided by the filibuster rule, rarely using reconciliation, and other congressional restraints.  This was one of if not the main reasons we didn't accomplish more after 1994.

If they aren't going to abide by this now, there will be no reason we have to.  Don't think of just repealing healthcare.  The floodgates are open now.

I'm not 100% confident that the opposition to the bill we're seeing right now will be there in 2012, but when we take back the Presidency along with Congress, it's a new day.  The Republicans can take care of much more than this.

252 Purple Avenger: "I'd give it at most about 5 years in operation before most of the insurance companies simply decide to get out of the health insurance business as a money loser and move on to other ventures."

That's our anticipated timeline for socialized medicine, too. Maybe sooner.

Medicare/Medicaid was the first baby step, Obamacare is the next. Forced bankruptcy of private insurance is the last.

Now please step into the railroad car. We have the solution.

253 http://bit.ly/cCsaFm

Damn I wish Ohio was on that list, but until we get rid of Strickland et al...

254 "Do not further strike at the heart of this country and this institution with arrogance, for surely you will not strike with impunity."

-- John Boehner

That line really sums up the path of destruction on the Congress that The Precedent and the dem junta have left in the wake of their abusive processes.

255 Um...Bob, you were wrong.

And it makes no difference if his poll numbers rise, check out the congressional numbers.  See you in November.

256 Posted by: Bob at March 22, 2010 01:13 AM (u6p6X)

I thought I told you to go f'k yourself?  Damn, that was quick.

257

Someone posted earlier that Zero is approaching 40 percent approval now on Gallup. SOMEONE is lying about poll numbers, because if this bill was opposed by 60 percent, and it got rammed through, how the hell would Zero's numbers rise?

 

I advise you to buy stock in Valu-Rite.

258  Is there a cap on premiums? Seems to me that if you force a company to insure pre-exisiting conditions, the buy-in cost should be heading to the stratosphere.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at March 22, 2010 01:15 AM (FMTao)

No, that is one of the problems with this crap sandwich. Premiums will go through the roof until 2014. The thing that was supposed to offset the cost of pre existing conditions was the 32,000,000 extra customers the evil insurance companies will get courtesy of the government.

The problem is that those 32,000,000 won't start getting insured until 2014 and pre existing conditions start now.

259 Bob, if I could check your prostrate with a barb wire surgical glove, I would do so with glee. 

260

@90: "The Republicans shouldn't escape any blame in this."

The bulk of the Republicans in office never *really* had a problem with socialism.  They just didn't want to be seen to be the ones enacting it.

261 are we willing to finally take the fucking gloves off?

Mitch McConnell

262

Someone posted earlier that Zero is approaching 40 percent approval now on Gallup. SOMEONE is lying about poll numbers, because if this bill was opposed by 60 percent, and it got rammed through, how the hell would Zero's numbers rise?

I advise you to buy stock in Valu-Rite.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at March 22, 2010 01:18 AM (FMTao)

Gallup now polls infants.  A gurgle or drool bubble counts as a yes.

263 Thus, he proves the case for himself as a team player ready to rise through the ranks into more leadership and chairmanship positions.

Nobody trusts a traitor.  His fame will be fleeting.  The democrats will never allow him a position of power in the party because he's demonstrated he can be bought, and they won't always have control over or knowledge of who is making "the purchase".  This means he has the potential to become a major embarrassment to the party if he's bought by the wrong people.

264 259 Bob, if I could check your prostrate with a barb wire surgical glove, I would do so with glee. 

Posted by: sybilll at March 22, 2010 01:18 AM (LYC9F)

LOL.  Man I needed that laugh.  Cheers.

265
And just so you know, Wee Wee's-


It Is On, like a bowl of neckbone.


That is all.

266 "And it makes no difference if his poll numbers rise, check out the congressional numbers.  See you in November."

I'll be here in November, along with Obamacare, which is not being repealed.

And it does make a difference if Obama's numbers surge.  Who knows what they'll try next if there's no blowback from the health care bill.

267 Nobody trusts a traitor.  His fame will be fleeting.  The democrats will never allow him a position of power in the party because he's demonstrated he can be bought, and they won't always have control over or knowledge of who is making "the purchase".  This means he has the potential to become a major embarrassment to the party if he's bought by the wrong people.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 22, 2010 01:20 AM (vgcO1)

In other words...see Arlen Specter.

268 @tdpwells You're in Ohio, too?  I'm in NE...

269 I'll be here in November, along with Obamacare, which is not being repealed.

Posted by: Bob at March 22, 2010 01:21 AM (u6p6X)

I'm still waiting for an honest answer on WHY you're here.  Since we're all brain damaged and what not. 

270 Sorry for the double post but like most everyone here I'm not thinking straight right now.  I can however still spell Syracuse, which is something our genius president is unable to do.

271 268 @tdpwells You're in Ohio, too?  I'm in NE...

Posted by: JeepGirl at March 22, 2010 01:22 AM (f8LqY)

Yep - central OH.

272
Well, me and Billy The Kid never got along:
I didn't like the way he cocked his hat
and he wore his gun all wrong.
She had a cute little Chihuahua
till one day he up and shot it.

273 Oops Bob did you forget to say you were wrong. Did we mark your words?  Why yes we did. 

Who knows what they'll try next if there's no blowback from the health care bill.

Who cares?  We have 41.

274 The floodgates are open now.

Payback is a stone cold bitch.

275 Stupak won't go anywhere in the dem party. The only way you can get a charmanship in the dem party is perform an abortion on Nancy's desk. He still claims he is pro life. Dems hate anyone that is pro life.

276 Does anyone really buy into the Democrat talking point that there are 32M people uninsured in this country?  Seems like a figment of fantasy imo.

277 In other words...see Arlen Specter.

Indeed.  Specter's stock looks like Palm's since he flipped.  The dems treat him like he's radioactive.

278 Michelle Malkin's got a summary on the AGs' plans: http://tiny.cc/nq2tx

279

Devil's Dictionary:

Stupak Promise - a highly public promise to abide by an important moral principle, a promise which is later broken for money at a critical time; a lie, a traitorous lie, see also Democrat Campaign Promise,Moral Coward.

Stupak Amendment - an amendment propounded by a Member of Congress in which the proponent argues against enacting the amendment propounded by the proponent;  a bait and switch, see also Red Queen: "Pass First. Read Later."

 

280 "Who knows what they'll try next if there's no blowback from the health care bill.

Who cares?  We have 41."

That 41 includes Olympia Snowe, without whom Obamacare would not have passed.

281 Does anyone really buy into the Democrat talking point that there are 32M people uninsured in this country?

Well, half those are illegal aliens, who already get free health care.

282 Darn it - summary on AGs' plans: http://tiny.cc/nq2tx

283 Ok. So, my premiums will rise, probably to the point where I will have to forgo my current insurance. I wlll be audited by the IRS, and fined or imprisoned for not being able to afford the premiums that the government made rise. I can't glom onto the "public" insurance until 2014. This will be happening immediately, i'm told. and this will be happening to millions of people across the country. Yet, the Dems think that we're just going to forget it. or embrace it?

284

Socialist programs do get undone. They crash with the government that promulgates them.

As Americans we are wont to think of our government as an eternal, uber-powerful thing that can overcome all obstacles. It isn't. The American government requires good stewardship just as any other. Loading up on entitlements backed by debt financing is dangerous to it.

What's maddening is these Democrats don't seem to care either about the fiscal realities they face nor the damage they do our political traditions in pursuit of their goals. They act in a fashion inimical to our long term health as a nation, yet beneficial to their hold on power as a party.

This vote underscores their resolve: party first. Party ideology is running this circus, and it's a socialist ideology. That's what this is all about. It is not about jobs, it is not about helping people, it is not about health care. This vote just took over higher education financing, too. Why does that make sense?

It makes sense because the goal is to make you beholden to federal power, and the Democratic Party is your gatekeeper to federal power. "All politics is personal" is how Pelosi bastardized Tip O'Neill tonight. That's no accident.

They seek to redefine your personal relationship to the state and arbitrate that dialogue. For the good of the whole, of course, but that's the endgame.

The trouble is that they are not half as clever as they think they are, and it takes God-like intelligence to pull their schemes off.

It will all boil down to a miserable failure. And it may take many years to bear this out.

Feel bad for our children. They are the losers in this.

Those damn boomers, they're going to fuck us good.

285 And it does make a difference if Obama's numbers surge.  Who knows what they'll try next if there's no blowback from the health care bill.

Posted by: Bob at March 22, 2010 01:21 AM (u6p6X)

After the bill passed the Senate in December and it looked like everything was set and you guys won, Obama's poll number went absolutely nowhere and the approval of your guys in Congress was such that a Republican running specifically on stopping the healthcare bill won the Senate seat in Massachusetts.

See ya in November.

286 That 41 includes Olympia Snowe, without whom Obamacare would not have passed.

Posted by: Bob at March 22, 2010 01:27 AM (u6p6X)

WHY. ARE. YOU. HERE?

287 Drew, Purple

Um, clean up on aisle 82 & 136?
Posted by: Lt. Quarles Harris Jr. at March 22, 2010 12:32 AM (kyg+f)

288 @tdpwells - Ah, cool beans.  I went to school there, did a lot of work on the '04 campaigns and trudged through '06.

289 Bob, you haven't admitted you were wrong yet.  come on little guy you can do it.

I mean we marked your words and everything.

290 That 41 includes Olympia Snowe, without whom Obamacare would not have passed.

Posted by: Bob at March 22, 2010 01:27 AM (u6p6X)

Are you totally fucking insane or just ignorant? Olympia Snow voted against Obamabortion.

291 Does anyone really buy into the Democrat talking point that there are 32M people uninsured in this country?  Seems like a figment of fantasy imo.

Posted by: smartsy at March 22, 2010 01:24 AM (pq986)

And, in the same breath they'll tell you that we are all paying to get them health care in the emergency room, which is why we need universal health care.  And when you ask them, where are the savings for not having to take care of all the uninsured who get their treatment in the emergency rooms, now?  The dem goes, "duh ... er ... uh ..."  And much of that expense is in Medicaid.  So where are the savings from Medicaid, not having to pay for the emergency room treatment of everything for everyone without insurance?  There is no savings from Medicaid?  There's a half trillion cut from Medicare?  To go where?  To Medicaid!  Okay doke, there.

It's beyond pathetic.  Dems claim that everyone already gets treated, but they have to cover everyone, and it will only cost another trillion (a serious lowball on the real price).  Hmmmm.

Only people who understand premium reductions of 3000% could possibly grasp the genius of it all.

292 Are you totally fucking insane or just ignorant?

Exactly why are you assuming these are mutually exclusive?

293 Democrats would've been standing there having passed the Stamp Act and insisting Americans will love it. Just wait until you see King George III become more popular!

I'm sure Obama's approval will rise thanks to liberals. But they're not who's going to count in November. The seats we're looking to pick up will be picked up thanks to Republicans who show up, libertarian crossovers, and pissed-off Independents.

And his rise will only last until he breaks news to liberals that he's going to disappoint them...again.

294 robtr: "He still claims he is pro life."

Now an inoperative claim. Stupak needed the pro-life coalition to get his job. That coalition will now team with others to drive him out. Betrayals, real or perceived, are rarely forgiven even by the compassionate.

It's now Bart Mud Stupak.

295 Get up a Buy Red list. Hit these fuckers in the pocket book. Vote with your wallets. I nominate drewM to start and maintain the list seeing that is what he does.

296 Posted by: robtr at March 22, 2010 01:30 AM (fwSHf)

He's talking about her initial yes vote to get it out of committee...or whatever the hell it was, there have been so many damn votes to get us to today, I can't remember what's what.  It was her 'history calling' vote.

297

She could have stopped it from coming out of comittee, about a hundred years ago, it seems.

Does this 41 number help us against the next wave of Dem buffoonery? Graham, at least, seems hell bent on voting for amnesty. Cap n Tax might be in trouble, hopefully. Card Check?

298

276

$658B to insure 32 million.  Only government math works in such mysterious ways.

299 "Olympia Snow voted against Obamabortion."

The bill never gets to the floor without her. 

Remember the cloture vote?

300 Of course 41 helps.  the repubs know now to march in a group or their re-election chances go down.

301 He's talking about her initial yes vote to get it out of committee...or whatever the hell it was, there have been so many damn votes to get us to today, I can't remember what's what.  It was her 'history calling' vote.

Posted by: tdpwells at March 22, 2010 01:32 AM (Ei3oZ)

Like I said, totally fucking insane or ignorant. It passed out of committee with a 4 fucking vote margin.

302 I'm sure Obama's approval will rise thanks to liberals.

However, again, we've already been where we are right now--after Christmas in December.

Obama won, remember?  This issue was dead.  We were defeated.  The battle was lost.

And for Obama and the Democrats it amounted to . . . absolutely nothing.

303 Anytime Bobby? why is it you are so wrong?

304
Republic of Texas - 1836-1846, 2010-....

305

So we're paying Michael Steele more money to be a useless dickwad and feeding McCain more money to stab us in the back while he sucks Obama's schvantz.

Send the money  to Dr. Benichek or J. D. Haywood instead, where it may do some actual good.

Posted by: TexasJew at March 22, 2010 12:54 AM (h22YH)

You got it. Of course, being a real independent, I only send money directly to candidates, never to a party.

306 He's talking about her initial yes vote to get it out of committee...or whatever the hell it was,

Posted by: tdpwells at March 22, 2010 01:32 AM (Ei3oZ)

It was Susan Collins, on the Finance committee, with the butcher's knife.

307 Ace... Ace!   ACE!!!

Please listen up, all. You want hope? REAL hope. The kind of hope such that our country, the great United States of America, is saved?       Okay.

Let it be said here, tonight, that I know what is needed - the what that will cure us. There is a single, massive, consistent PUSH desperately needed on a singular issue. - I will announce it relatively soon. 

Ace, I ask that you archive this string. Remember this poster (me). Soon - within months (not years) - I will announce the needed remedy.

I have had THE IDEA for over a year now. But the timing has not been advantageous. Not so long from now, THE IDEA will be revealed. And as such THE IDEA (as opposed to me) will be paramount. So Ace, please archive this thread. Let it be recorded here that the alternative path for human kind (as best enshrined in the United States Constitution) was announced to be soon provided. I know it must seem unlikely... and yet it is forthcoming. [Ace, note that tonight I use a different email.]

For everyone, as Sean would quote, "Let not your heart be troubled."
The good way is coming.

308 America is dead guys.  Time to hunker down and get ready for the opression.

309

@129: "I think the politically rage has only just begun."

Maybe (and even probably from a few people), but there's an equally good chance that most folks will just keep their heads down and go along with it.  Don't know if I agree with them, but can't say I blame them if they do.

310

It was Susan Collins, on the Finance committee, with the butcher's knife.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at March 22, 2010 01:36 AM (A46hP)

See, told you I was confused.

311 Just remember, morons: Repeal is only a start.  It's time to roll it all back.  I don't care if it takes all we've got, it would be worth it.

312 Ace - yes, this is the same "Dave" who typically uses the email address, rog@y.com.

313 Remember the cloture vote?

Posted by: Bob at March 22, 2010 01:33 AM (u6p6X)

Yeah I do dumbass, it was 60-39  all 60 democrats voted yes and 39 republicans voted no. Snow was a no vote. Voinavich didn't vote.

314 How many hours until Rush tomorrow? *counts*

315

See, told you I was confused.

Posted by: tdpwells at March 22, 2010 01:39 AM (Ei3oZ)

Don't give up that easily!  I was wrong, you were right.  It was Snowe.  Very sorry about that.

316 308 America is dead guys.  Time to hunker down and get ready for the opression.

Posted by: doug at March 22, 2010 01:37 AM (dDxif)

I refuse to be so pessimistic.

317

Not even for city dog catcher.  There's my motto.

Passing an illegal "law", destroying the republic, driving the people to ruination -- for this that party deserves to be shitcanned.  Democrat Delenda Est.

They got their precious healthcare; let it be the thing that destoys them.

318 And with that, I'm outta here.

And no, Cube, America isn't over.  It isn't over till I say it's over.

Check with me first, mmmmkayy?

319 It was Susan Collins, on the Finance committee, with the butcher's knife.

Oops, Bob wrong again.

320 Meh. The laws of arithmetic are LAWS. The US is out of money. Too many entitlements. Too much non-discretionary spending. AAA bond days are numbered.

This health care bill only accelerates things, of course.

These unfunded liabilities are based on a Ponzi scheme, and neither the population nor the economy of the US is growing at the rate necessary to sustain them. It's math. The (fiscal) end is pretty fucking near.

321 309..you think its ok for Americans to "be ok with it"??

Ok stealing the earnings and private healthcare from those who have worked for it?

322 Oh, wait, I forgot to ask:

Anyone got the over/under on how many beltway insider "Republicans" will tout this as "well played" by the Dems, and not really so bad as all that?

I can hear Crystal and Barnes already...~~~~~

"Look, Obama played this just right.  No one can pin this on any one Democrat, and besides, it can be worked on by the Republicans in the 2050 caucuses when it's safe to use the Internet again."

323 We only have 40 votes back during cloture, right? Democrats didn't require Snowe to pass it.

324 Posted by: Guy Fawkes at March 22, 2010 01:42 AM (ympF

No.  I was wrong.  It was Snowe.  Sorry about that.

325

@152: "If Stupak hadn't have been a sell-out, we would have won this thing. Remember that."

And but for all of those sunken ships and destroyed airbases, Pearl Harbor would have been a big victory.  After all, we took out a couple of Japanese mini-subs and around 40 of their best planes.

326 Look, I've got an idea.

Everybody who's in the "we're defeated; America is over" camp go out and found a new country.  We're rich (relatively speaking).  At minimum we could find some spot of land nobody's using or a place that would kill for a bunch of people with money and education to spare and set up a new country in the mold we would like.  Take over Tristan da Cunha or something.  Call it "New Texas."

Meanwhile, everybody who's up for fighting this out stays here and that way we don't deal with the sap on morale and, even better, if the battle ever is truly lost, we have somewhere to go.

Deal?

327 well, I guess little bobby took his ball and binkey and went home. Have a good night, and we will continue to fight on the morrow. 

328 Yep, bend over and enjoy it.

329

330
Is anybody going to San Antone, or Pheonix, Arizona?

331

And but for all of those sunken ships and destroyed airbases, Pearl Harbor would have been a big victory.  After all, we took out a couple of Japanese mini-subs and around 40 of their best planes.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at March 22, 2010 01:46 AM (8MuSQ)

How do you think Japan felt about that whole Pearl Harbor Victory in oh I don't know, about August of 1945?

332 Bob may have killed himself. Meh, how miserable of a life do you have to have to be trolling this late?

I'm sure nobody he knows will miss him.

333 Posted by: JeepGirl at March 22, 2010 01:41 AM (f8LqY)

Hey, are you in a tea party group that is circulating a petition to get a health care amendment to the OH constitution?  columbusteaparty.com has the info, there's a statewide petitioner database (the ohio project), if a certain percentage from your county sign up, they'll send out a rep to collect signatures.

I talked with the organizer at a rally Friday night - stand up guy.  Has done a ton of work here and with other OH groups.

334

YOU WILL HAVE NO  ONT!!!!111!!!


that is all

335

I can hear Crystal and Barnes already...~~~~~

"Look, Obama played this just right.  No one can pin this on any one Democrat, and besides, it can be worked on by the Republicans in the 2050 caucuses when it's safe to use the Internet again."

Gergen was saying on Fox earlier that the Republicans are overestimating the anger about this bill, and will not take the house back in November. They need to be less apocalalypic about it and stop being the party of no.

336

Oh, and Bob, I'm really sorry there sugar, but even with this healthcare that you are so obviously happy about...there still won't be a cure for stupid (probably never happen, now that research and development will be cut).  I'm afraid that even though you'll get insurance for it now, there just isn't a cure.

Dude, so sorry, really.

337

I "grok" freedom just fine, thank you. That's why I'm a recovering Catholic.

338 At $700k, he's a very cheap 'date' by congressional standards.

339

340

People have an amazing capacity for pain. It was obvious to the most dense Soviet by the late 1960's or early 1970's that the whole edifice was bound to collapse. That was a full generation after the purges and widespread atrocities that came with setting up the regime.

Today we see the same pattern. Look, we cannot afford Obamacare. We're already up to our eyeballs in red ink. Yet our leaders thought we needed this ad they made it so despite widespread protestations.

Sorry, but I'm afraid the natural tendency is to take it up the ass until the thrusting dick falls off.

This shit is going to stand.

One hope remains, and it's that we have to start paying up front and four years later the benefits will flow.

That gives us four years to do something.

Unless, of course, they change the terms of the deal.

And they will. Watch.

341
335 "Gergen was saying on Fox earlier that the Republicans are overestimating the anger about this bill, and will not take the house back in November. They need to be less apocalalypic about it and stop being the party of no."

Heh.  So I made two predictions tonight/this morning:

1) Rush will open with "This is a special edition" or something similar, like he did in the Clinton years,

2) The beltway Republicans will have a hard-on for Obamacare and a "soft-on" for Republican opposition to it.
Or something like that.

If I'm right on both counts, all six of you morons that still have jobs have to donate six damn dollars to Stupak's Republican challenger.

Not that "dollars" are worth anything.

342 Within the next two or three years, white babies will constitute a minority of all children born in the USA.

Jesus f'king Christ.  First, the Aryan Nation guy earlier today and now this.

Apparently, the Pope and the solidarity movement in Poland don't count as "groking" freedom.

343

Thaaaa fuuuu...


You're fucking kidding me, right?



Don't rely on AoSHQ, maroons.

344 333
Hey, are you in a tea party group that is circulating a petition to get a health care amendment to the OH constitution?  columbusteaparty.com has the info, there's a statewide petitioner database (the ohio project), if a certain percentage from your county sign up, they'll send out a rep to collect signatures.

I talked with the organizer at a rally Friday night - stand up guy.  Has done a ton of work here and with other OH groups.

Posted by: tdpwells at March 22, 2010 01:49 AM (Ei3oZ)

Huh.  Nope, not in it.  Sounds interesting, though.  Thanks for the link!

345 Gergen, if I remember correctly, was an Obama supporter and, more importantly, his ties to the Republican Party over the years have been no greater than the level of Arlen Specter (honestly, I'd argue much worse).  I wouldn't trust his judgment or the evenhandedness of his analysis here.

346

347 The treachery is ALL on the dem side, and on the WHOLE dem side, no matter how they voted.  Some deadly naivete is the problem on the right.  Don't equate the two.

348

Rep Bart (may I call you Bart?); let's recap

 - There's a guaranteed Senate hold on Federal jobs for any Congressman who appears to have taken a bribe,

 - There are 35-38 Governors / State AGs preparing to sue the US Government about O-Care and the way it was passed (and they control State jobs quite well),

 - White-shoe / high-powered law and lobbying firms do not hire RADIOACTIVE applicants (or the obviously stupid),

 - 60-80% of the American People did not want O-Care. At all.

 - Certain states no longer welcome their Senators to dine-out in public, (ask Senator-at-this-moment Ben Nelson)

 - All skateboarding and acting jobs for guys named "Bart" are taken

 

 Welcome to unemployment.

349 Posted by: Lt. Quarles Harris Jr. at March 22, 2010 02:01 AM (kyg+f)

Gross.  I guess that makes Eastern Orthodox chopped liver.

350 Okay, the K~Missus wants me to stop commiserating with you morons and let her tell me what's good for.  She's always right, you know.

The great thing is, it's like we all moved south.  Tomorrow, you'll all wake up in a banana republic.  Just check your ammo, and keep the spiders below the bed.

And for Gob's sake, learn some damned Spanish, okay?

Buenos noches!

351 We can't expect Negroes and Mexican Indians and Jews and Papists to behave like us, or like our forefathers who founded this nation.

Yeah, except for Israel, France, Chile, Costa Rica, Brazil, Poland, Spain, Portugal, Ireland, Honduras, the Philippines, etc., etc....they just don't get democracy.

BTW, who's this "our" kemosabe?

352 Donate a few bucks to Stupak's opponent.  I did earlier.  It's a liberating experience. 

Tonight we sleep.  Tomorrow we fight even harder.

353 Yeah, except for Israel, France, Chile, Costa Rica, Brazil, Poland, Spain, Portugal, Ireland, Honduras, the Philippines, etc., etc....they just don't get democracy.

BTW, who's this "our" kemosabe?

Posted by: AD at March 22, 2010 02:06 AM (vMq5s)

<------Jew over here who despises socialism and thinks this POTUS is a POS.  I must be one of those "self-hating Jews" I guess.

354 335

Gergen was saying on Fox earlier that the Republicans are overestimating the anger about this bill, and will not take the house back in November. They need to be less apocalalypic about it and stop being the party of no.

Posted by: Joe, not a concern troll at March 22, 2010 01:50 AM (FMTao)

Gergen's an idiot of the highest order.  They are "apocalalypic about it" because it fundamentally changes the country and the relationship between Americans and their government.  It also increases the debt by $660B over 10 years, is the largest tax increase in history, and will weaken the whole health care system, which can't make anyone with any health issues particularly happy.  As far as "being the party of no," WTF is the GOP supposed to do when it is outnumbered like it is in the House and Senate and the Democrats ignore them and try to pass far Left legislation.  Gergen is a horse's ass.

As far as "overestimating the anger about this bill," Obama's approval rating dropped like a rock for a reason, while polls showed 55% against the health care bill, over 70% wanted to shelve the bill and start over, and three dozen states are preparing lawsuits against the federal government because of ObamaCare.  You also had Scott Brown's election in liberal Massachusetts in which he campaigned on stopping the health care bill.  But the Democrats passed it anyway.  Plus, I don't think those that haven't been paying close attention to the health care debate are going to be happy with the "benefits" they are going to get this year from the health care bill.  The fact that the economy will continue to weak and unemployment will continue to remain high through November will only exacerbate the public's negative mood about the Democrats and this bill.

355 Posted by: Lt. Quarles Harris Jr. at March 22, 2010 02:01 AM (kyg+f)

Wow, you're such an ignorant bigot you could probably get a gig as a guest poster at Kos or HuffPo.

Fuckin' Mobys.

356

357 I'm out ya'll.  Hafta get up early and be at work in...5.5 hours.  Damn.

Fight begins anew tomorrow.

358

Seriously though,
part of me thinks it would be awesome
to let them have their marxism right
in their faces.  A bullet
in their head
would be a pretty good argument
against what they have done.
But then, I'm somewhat of a cynic.

359 Jesus f'king Christ.  First, the Aryan Nation guy earlier today and now this.

Posted by: AD

It's same guy, the Nazi Nigel Tuftnal from last year.

360

@198: "So, using your logic, if I may call it that, Lee Harvey Oswald did pretty well for himself on November 22, 1963."

Think you'd ever have heard of him otherwise?  C'mon - we live in an era when people leak their own sex tapes to get famous.

361

Slappy- Gergen's an idiot of the highest order.

that's all you really had to say

 

362 The only "freedom" that the Poles now enjoy is the freedom to commit national suicide.

That and democracy and liberating themselves from totalitarianism.

But apparently you define freedom as "making babies."

Way to go genius.

363 Posted by: ADK46er at March 22, 2010 01:10 AM (tOzKW)

I sure hear ya, being from SF Bay Area in CA, having recently moved back to the People's Republic of Washington, but what happened in Massachusetts gave me hope. 

364

365 Can we get rid of this guy?

366 It's same guy, the Nazi Nigel Tuftnal from last year.

Ah, that makes sense.  Thanks.

367

Sadly, though, I am not ignorant.

In all honesty, though, I wish I were.

No, trust me.  Don't sell yourself short.

368 @tdpwells - Goodnight, good luck on your paper!

369 Nobody trusts a traitor.  His fame will be fleeting.  The democrats will never allow him a position of power in the party because he's demonstrated he can be bought, and they won't always have control over or knowledge of who is making "the purchase".  This means he has the potential to become a major embarrassment to the party if he's bought by the wrong people.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 22, 2010 01:20 AM (vgcO1)

In other words...see Arlen Specter.

Posted by: tdpwells at March 22, 2010 01:21 AM (Ei3oZ)

It was the stupidest thing he could have done. Really stupid.

370

371 361

that's all you really had to say

Posted by: Naan at March 22, 2010 02:11 AM (j5MTj)

Too true.  Why do they hire such a douche to basically try to pass off his wishful thinking as political analysis?  The Dems pass the bill against the will of the American people and he spends his time cautioning the Republicans, who tried to stop it?  Unfrickinbelievable.

372

373 If we fail at repealing, or having this abomination overturned on Constitutional grounds, then Texas must SECEDE!
There is plenty of argument over whether or not this would be Constitutional ( I happen to fall into the yes, it would be, category). However, regardless of that, our own Declaration of Independence argues for it!
"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government".

It could well be argued, in a court of law that, by their refusal to follow the wishes of the majority of their constituents and shoving this craptacular abomination down our throats that the Democraps have abrogated their position of "representatives" of their constituency and have thus, of their own free will, broken any Constitutional ties that might bind us (Texas) as  a state, to the Union.
 For, if they so blatantly disregard their "representative" status, then are we not legally freed from their dictates? To me, this seem to be the penultimate in "taxation without representation"!

374

375 I don't like to sully the word "freedom" with the concept of exercising the will so as to commit suicide.

Yeah, you do.  I care about democracy and being free of totalitarianism.  You define freedom as something else.

Ireland is doing a much better job than us lately in the freedom category.  The benchmark of continuous freedom over the last thousand years has been Switzerland--where Catholicism is the largest denomination.  As far as Latin America, Honduras showed what it was made of in opposing tyranny even with us blocking and pressuring them.

As far as birth rates, the UK's and other protestant countries are in the crapper.

You're an idiot.

376

377 Yes, elections do have consequences. So does over-burdening people with taxes and taking away their liberty. Good morningÂ…and goodnight.

378

You either act, or not.

And sometimes you get banned.

379

380 First sentence, italics. Goodnight again.

381

@254: "Do not further strike at the heart of this country and this institution with arrogance, for surely you will not strike with impunity."

-- John Boehner

--------

Dude......du...dude......You're a Republican, dude.  All.....all...you can do is cower and surrender.  And you can't even  do that well.

By the way, nice fake tan.

382 The Swiss have a total fertility rate of 1.42 [UN] or 1.44 [CIA], and that's with their exploding Muslim minority contributing to it.

If by "exploding Muslim minority" you mean 4.3% of the population, you are correct.

You really need to learn demographics.

383

384

Sadly, though, I am not ignorant.

In all honesty, though, I wish I were.

Oh, how I wish I were...

 Posted by: Lt. Quarles Harris Jr. at March 22, 2010 02:11 AM (kyg+f)

Well, I don't know if it was you, but somebody sure blew out all your candles.

385

@257: "because if this bill was opposed by 60 percent, and it got rammed through, how the hell would Zero's numbers rise?"

People like certainty.  Now that ObizzleCare is a reality, some will rally to him.

*shrug*

His hardcore haters probably now have a solid floor, however.

386 It's over - those kinds of demographics can't support the kind of nation which our [WASP] forefathers created for us.

Your WASP forefathers got a lot further with socialism back in Europe than they did with the short, dark, and dirty accompanying them here.

I mean, when you think about it, you really should be thanking us.

387 376,
First off, I did not say that "I" was "arguing" about it. I simply stated a fact that there "are" arguments about it.
Secondly, I went above and beyond the "constitutionality" of the matter and directly addressed it from the Declaration of Independence, which preceded the Constitution. Which would give a Legal precedence for either a secession, or a change in our governmental system.
I'm not advocating a rebellion, I'm not advocating warfare ( either civil or not). If it comes down to it, as a last resort, then yes, I would stand and fight, but, I think that there are many steps to be taken before that should happen.

388
Lord, make me an instrument of your peace.
Where there is hatred, let me sow love;
where there is injury,pardon;
where there is doubt, faith;
where there is despair, hope;
where there is darkness, light;
and where there is sadness, joy.


O Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek
to be consoled as to console;
to be understood as to understand;
to be loved as to love.
For it is in giving that we receive;
it is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life. Amen

389 I'm not too worried about this because the dems have been going down in flames in elections before this piece of dog shit even passed. They are sooo fucked come november. Oh and the indonesian cocksucker? He will get credited for the collapse when it comes, this is all on him. The repubs will win in november and can start reversing this fucking soviet style of government that this non American piece of shit marxist usurper is trying to drop on us. Our job is to elect dudes with balls that clank, I mean clank to where lightning shoots from them. No more pussies, we need serious brawlers. I think its going to fun watching these pricks go down in flames one by one, because the collapse is coming, and their stench is all over it. They own it.

390

391

The Socialists just won big in France today. The world has gone mad.

392

393 test

394 OMG I can comment!!!

395 I go off to a job a free man and return as a serf. Great.

396 WOW

397 DEAD! (Smashes knife into table!) DEAD! DEAD! DEAD!

398 It was all fraud from the beginning. They were in it for the bribe. The Dems could care less about the nation.

399 393,
As the Founding Fathers of the United States did, first, you try the legal angles, and exhaust all means to rectify the situation, as we are doing here. To do otherwise chances raising the wrath of the populace against your cause, no matter how just it might be.
Secondly, from reading your other posts, I concur with the other posters, you are a complete idiot, not to mention a racist motherfucker. So I choose not to adress your stupid ass anymore.

400 I wish the Lace Wigs were here. They'd know what to do.

401 BTW, this is precisely the sort of thing which is happening up in Toronto, which is now effectively a Muslim city.

Yep, Toronto, an effectively Muslim city, with a whole 6.7% of the population made up of Muslims.

Suppose you divide a population up as 5%X and 95%Y.

And suppose X has 7 babies per woman, and Y has 1 baby per woman.

Fortunately birth rates always stay the same and the politics of families always continue as well, so this is entirely predictable.

Face it, the greater the amount of minorities, the more adverse a place is to conservatism and democracy, which is why the Texas and Florida are the most liberal states in the union.  Especially with Switzerland having incredibly unforgiving immigration policies, I'm sure you'll somehow still be shown right.

BTW, one of if not the largest group among Swiss Muslims is Kosovars, who last time I checked were from a democracy.

But I concede that Switzerland only existed as a free democracy, with Catholicism as the largest denomination for longer than any other democracy on the history of the planet so . . . wait, what was your point again?

402

@321: "309..you think its ok for Americans to "be ok with it"??

Ok stealing the earnings and private healthcare from those who have worked for it?"

In case you haven't noticed, Americans have been "ok with it" for over 70 years.  Nobody's done anything to get rid of Social Security or any of the other theft-from-the-public.  Remember those famous townhall meetings over the summer? How many of the people there were simply screaming "Don't cut my Medicare!!!!" (Translation: keep stealing from others to give to me!)

How do you propose - in concrete terms - to stop it? Elect Republicans? Hasn't ever worked before, no reason to suppose that it would now.

403 March 21, 2010 - Black Sunday.The health care bill passed.  The only question remaining is, 'Can this be undone?'...

404

405

331: "How do you think Japan felt about that whole Pearl Harbor Victory in oh I don't know, about August of 1945?"

No idea what your point is.  My post addressed trying to call a crushing defeat a victory by focusing unduly on one minor and irrelevant aspect of the battle.  Maybe Abigail Folger can claim victory against the Manson Family because she made it out of the house, or Mondale can claim victory over Reagan because he won Minnesota.

If you want to posit that a staggering defeat in a single battle doesn't guarantee defeat in a war, fine.  But you need to explain how to get from A to B.  Claiming victory because the guys who just kicked your ass also suffered casualties doesn't quite do it.

406

346

We can't expect Negroes and Mexican Indians and Jews and Papists to behave like us, or like our forefathers who founded this nation.

Whoa.  Hey John Birch, say hello to the Grand Dragon for me.

Charles Carrol and Thomas Fitzsimmons would like a word with you, too.

407 396 I go off to a job a free man and return as a serf. Great.

Posted by: rawmuse at March 22, 2010 02:43 AM (NvDv2)

Preach it!

408 A majority of all of the younger children in the Toronto public schools are now Muslim.

What are statistics you just pulled out your ass for $100, Alex?

Seriously - you don't want to argue demographics with me.

Yeah, I think I do.  I mean you've gotten everything else wrong so far, so I guess I'm bound to get one wrong eventually, but so far it's not looking good.

Who knows, maybe they have fewer public schools, so there's a public vs. private thing going on, but, like before, cite please.

409

410 403,
As regarding Medicare and Social Security. Firstly, it hasnt been "over 70 years" as the Social security act was signed into law in 1965.

However, paying the benefits to people who have payed into the system for 45 year, giving them back what is, rightfully, their own money ( hey, it's not their fault that Congress saw the "surplus" and continually stole from it, thus bankrupting the system!) can not rightfully be regarded as "stealing from others to give to me!". It is called giving back to them what they worked for and paid for, over a lifetime.

411

412 I was just reading some of the comments in the local Honolulu paper. It is no wonder we have the government we have. People are really stupid. They do not even understand the meaning of insurance or universal heath care.  One ignorant person said the whole world has health care why shouldn't we. God help us all.  

413

Seriously - you wanna make a bet on it?

Like, say, for $100, Alex?

Nah, sorry, like I said, you're bound to be right about something here (it could happen), so feel free to show it.

"Racist" maybe

Oh come on dude--own it.  *Now* you're getting queasy?

414

@389: I prefer this prayer -

Oh, God of Battles, once again,
With banner, trump, and drum,
And garments in the wine-press dyed,
To give Thee thanks, we come.

No goats or bullocks garlanded,
Unto Thine altars go;
With brothers' blood, by brothers shed,
Our glad libations flow,

From pest-house and from dungeon foul,
Where, maimed and torn, they die,
From gory trench and charnal house,
Where, heap on heap they lie.

In every groan that yields a soul,
Each shriek a heart that rends,
With every breath of tainted air,
Our homage, Lord, ascends.

We thank Thee for the sabre's gash,
The cannon's havoc wild;
We bless Thee for the widow's tears,
The want that starves her child!

We give Thee praise that Thou hast lit
The torch and fanned the flame;
That lust and rapine hunt their prey,
Kind Father, in Thy name!

That, for the songs of idle joy
False angels sang of yore,
Thou sendest War on earth - ill-will
To men for evermore!

We know that wisdom, truth and right
To us and ours are given;
That Thou hast clothed us with the wrath,
To do the work of Heaven.

We know that plains and cities waste
Are pleasant in Thine eyes -
Thou lov'st a hearthstone desolate,
Thou lov'st a mourner's cries.

Let not our weakness fall below
The measure of Thy will
And while the press has wine to bleed,
Oh, tread it with us still!

Teach us to hate - as Jesus taught
Fond fools, of yore, to love;
Give us Thy vengeance as our own,
Thy pity, hide above!

Teach us to turn, with reeking hands,
The pages of Thy Word,
And learn the blessed curses there,
On them that sheathe the sword.

Where'er we tread may deserts spring,
'Til none are left to slay;
And when the last red drop is shed,
We'll kneel again - and pray!

415

416

@390: "Our job is to elect dudes with balls that clank, I mean clank to where lightning shoots from them. No more pussies, we need serious brawlers."

Ok, where?  GOP doesn't have them.  The Tea Party?  Maybe, if they actually field a slate of candidates....

417 With stupak it's easy to see what happened.

Rham said they were giving Stupak nothing, and he was going to be standing in the way of this big democrat wish, likely loose enough of his crew to not matter, etc etc etc.

And Stupak folded and asked for something, anything, to cover his ass as he voted Yes.  This is like the Canadian Actors Bureau (WGA) getting coupons for Canada going off strike in South Park.

That's why he looks so cheap now.  In reality, he was even cheaper than this.  He folded for nothing, and the democrats are giving him something silly.  We don't even know what the Senate will do or if Obama signs this bill or not.  We know for sure we've got some kind of Obamacare coming.  I don't think any EOs are going to make a damn difference in anything.  Stupak should have gone down in flames fighting for the unborn.  He could have retired a happy man, knowing he lost a good fight.  Instead, what did he accomplish?

418 Demographics do matter. Do you think Mexicans or Blacks hold anything but widespread contempt and hatred for Whites? Does not (at 12.5% of the population) Rev. Wright have a $5 million mansion overlooking a private Golf Course, and Louis Farrakhan a mansion bigger than Oprahs? While David Duke lives (in deserved) penury in Monroe LA? (Not hell but you can see it from there). You want to pretend Blacks and Hispanics are not consumed with hatred against Whites (and each other but that's another matter). But they are indeed, and the amount of money Blacks shovel into purveyors of hate, when 60% of Blacks are ghetto/urban core (lacking in lots of discretionary income) ought to tell you something. Which is no we can't all get along, good fences make good neighbors, and socialism and multiculturalism = a race to screw out the other group. In a world of limited government, where Government has no racial preferences, no AA, no picking of winners and losers, a multicultural society can get along, as long as the dominant group is not threatened. This has been the US up until ... well now. As soon as Government controls education and health care, the two most important areas outside defense during wartime, it picks winners and losers and in a multi-racial society DOES SO BY RACE. Whites will INDEED be the minority in births. This is demographic FACT. This would not matter as much (though it would matter) if GOVERNMENT DID NOT PICK winners and losers. By race. [It would matter because the Black Middle class, at 40% of Blacks, is a function of AA preferences, with middle class Blacks lacking in government independent earnings and economic contributions, and the pattern of income/earnings/educational achievement by second, third and fourth generation Mexicans in the US is dismal -- making the US more like a combination of Juarez and Haiti -- great poverty with a smattering of elites, than what we were.] The new law has AA set asides and funding and quotas for Blacks and Hispanics in all areas of health care. Meaning lowered standards as a reality to get more Black and Hispanic doctors and health care workers. Michael Jackson's Dr. in other words. This is fact. You may not like it, but it is the law of the land. Racial spoils. The new law has a Fed takeover of student loans. How many takers THAT will be color blind and neutral, and Whites will not lose out? Socialism means Whites MUST maintain group dominance. Otherwise a demographic majority will vote themselves first in line, first for goodies, and Whites LAST. That's not "Aryan Nation" thats HUMAN NATURE. America at a stroke became one big gang of thieves knocking each other over to be the one with the biggest cut. Nowhere in history has a multi-racial society that had government picking winners been anything other than a violence prone disaster that only grows at the expense of conquest: the Ottoman Empire, Mongol Empire, Persia, Imperial Rome, Stalin's USSR. THAT IS THE GAME. Yeah sure Obama plans to make about 20 million illegals here instant citizens. They'll vote Democratic, and themselves and Blacks FIRST and Whites LAST in all the government goodies. That is how it is played. Obama plans to import about another 20 million or so as more instant citizens. THAT is why Dems are not worried. THAT is why David Gergen is sanguine. THAT is why Harold Myerson openly calls for the "end of Whiteness." If you are Black or Hispanic, vote Dem. You'll be first in line. It makes sense. All of life's goodies that government can give will be yours, and you will get the satisfaction of those most Blacks/Hispanics hate (Whites) being last. No White person takes it personally. That's just human nature. For those offended, "ooh racist what will Dems/non-Whites say?" well you have a choice to make. Your social status and SWPL people approving of you, or your own naked interest. I'd love to overturn ObamaCare, have a race neutral, color blind, non-race based system, not ever going to happen, too many vested interests in Government picking winners and losers. The only game in town is winner or loser. Pick if you want to be last in line, getting whatever minor dregs there are, or first in line. THAT is your only choice. That means you need to vote your own racial ethnic interest ... because EVERYONE ELSE IS doing it, and you cannot return to 2007. If you don't vote your own interest, you'll just go to the back of the line. Standing up for your own naked interest is not something to be ashamed of. It does not make you a member of the Klan anymore than Rev. Wright and Farrakhan are civil rights leaders (or Jessie Jackson for that matter). All it means is that since we are using race (how could government NOT use race in this law??) to pick winners and losers you don't want to lose. Simple as that. AD -- Muslims are small, but their fertility advantage will make them not 4.3% but more like 25% in about 30 years at present trends. Because they retain a fertility advantage. This is why the Swiss banned minarets, and most Swiss if they had their way would deport the entire lot. Even now Muslims look to Libya and Iran as their protectors, both hold Swiss folk hostage, and Muslims world-wide pledge jihad on their behalf. Even a small minority using violence at home and by others abroad can dictate policy and resource allocation. When that small minority has a TFR of around 7, compared to 1.43, even a single digit percentage can grow over decades to dominance. Particularly since street fighting and intimidation is a young man's game. Most of the young people in Europe? Particularly in cities? Muslim and/or Black. For example, since when has Malmo been majority Muslim? Or Rotterdam? Or Amsterdam? Well, since the 1990's. Malmo is a no-go zone for native Swedes like Arhus is for Danes. Muslims only.

419 The papists have ALWAYS [with the single exception of 2004] voted DEM - since they were first allowed to immigrate into this country.

Well, historical genius, exactly when from 1776-2010 weren't papists allowed to immigrate into this country?

If you fear for what is happening to conservatism and democracy in America, you are welcome to return to the bastions of free-market capitalism and egalitarianism that have been the United Kingdom and Germany.

I'll go to Switzerland and Ireland.  Have fun.

420

421 "However, paying the benefits to people who have payed into the system for 45 year, giving them back what is, rightfully, their own money ( hey, it's not their fault that Congress saw the "surplus" and continually stole from it, thus bankrupting the system!) can not rightfully be regarded as "stealing from others to give to me!". It is called giving back to them what they worked for and paid for, over a lifetime.


Posted by: SaTx"

this isn't fair, but we are out of money.  We have far more owed than we'll ever be able to pay.  These people you're talking about were represented by Republicans and Democrats who failed to reform this entitlement, and took tons of money to spend on all kinds of things, some good, some bad.

They money isn't there.  Yeah, they paid for SS benefits, for the most part.  That money was spent, by their representatives, far beyond what was sustainable.  They refused to demand sustainable spending, and now someone is going to not get what they paid into the system.  Probably most or all at some point, because Social Security and the other entitlements are far, far, far beyond what we could ever afford to pay.

Social Security withholding went to pay for ACORN and Fannie and Murtha Post Office #5.  Sorry, but it was just another federal income tax.

422

@411: "It is called giving back to them what they worked for and paid for, over a lifetime."

Fuck that noise.  Just because they got robbed, it's ok for them to rob me? I guess if you think that way, thanks for volunteering to pay for my retirement.  Work hard - I like nice stuff and lots of it.

It would be nice if the gummint could give back what it's taken from us, but it can't, except by taking from others.  I suppose they could give us each a little plot of Federal land or something, but that's about it.

423 AD -- Muslims are small, but their fertility advantage will make them not 4.3% but more like 25% in about 30 years at present trends. Because they retain a fertility advantage.

whiskey, the problem, I believe, is conflating Switzerland with the Netherlands, France, Germany and other areas where this is more of an issue.  I could see 25% happening in some other countries.  I don't see it happening in Switzerland, specifically because as you mentioned there has been more of a backlash to it and it is more restrictive than other countries in its immigration policies.  In addition, that fertility advantage has already been declining in the Muslim world as a whole.  Just like Catholic families don't still have ~7-10 kids now, which once was relatively common, other growth rates aren't static.

424 For the record, I am actually an anti-racist.

"Racist" = attributing characteristics innately to a race.

Seriously, why back away from this?  It just moves the people who view you away from disgust to contempt.  You're the definition of racist.

425 It's always been my belief that if you're going to be a whore, never be a cheap one.

If I were to venture a guess, I'd say that Stupak is going to find out the real cost of being a cheap whore this upcoming November, if not sooner.

426 good  <a href="http://www.pass4sure.nl/IBM/000-331.html">000-331</a>

427 very good 640-802

428 410.

I'm just someone warning you about how the next few years of your life are going to play themselves out.

And they are not going to be pretty, nor fun to live through.

At least we can agree on one thing.

I didn't need for you to tell me how difficult life could be for the next few years (actually, in a worst case scenario, it will be for the rest of our lives). However, we definitely disagree when it comes to the approaches on how to deal with it. We are a nation of laws. Laws got us into this mess, through laws, we will get ourselves out of it (or not). Insurrection is not a thing to be taken lightly. For an insurrection to be successful, it requires the backing of the majority of the people. In order to obtain the full backing of the populace (including the military, which will have a direct bearing on the success or failure of your mission), the legalities need to be followed, in order to show that your cause is righteous and just, and that you have tried to handle it in every way possible without resorting to violence. I don't really care if you agree with me or not (which I know that you won't), these are the facts.

And yeah, you definitely are a racist, not to mention a religionist (probably not a word, but, it fits, using it in the context of a person having superioristic view of their own belief system over  that of others). and for the record, I am a WASP

429

People are always suckers for the "free" stuff.  Nothing is free.  You will pay in one way or another.  Pay with your freedoms or with your money. 

Right now the government we have looks more like a mob family than what a government is suppose to be.  Thanks 52%!  You gave these crooks the keys, now we all have to suffer.

430

Fa Cu,

that is an awesome and deeply sarcastic prayer.

431 423,
Yep, that the way it works. Sorry, Sucker! 
Now, on top of all that, guess what, your hard work also gets to pay for all the medical benefits of the unemployed, the underemployed, the illegal aliens, and everyone else. I would say "don't like  it, move somewhere else". Unfortunately, almost everywhere else already has this "wonderful" healthcare system that we've just adopted!

Guess the only way out of it is to force Congress to go on a strict diet, cutting as much as they can ( including their pay, their perks, their lifetime pensions, which would go a LONG way to solving the budget crisis). Otherwise our military will be the ones paying the costs, through reductions in their budget.

But you don't rob from one group of Americans, (the ones who have actually paid into the system for so many years, those who fed YOU and protected YOU while you were growing up) you don't force them out into the cold with no food, shelter or medical care, after promising to provide help for them. We can start by cutting back on MY generation, give them a 20 year heads up that things won't be as they were, start saving your money now ( which most of us are doing anyway, not having faith in our gov't. to live up to its promises). But we do NOT cut off our Senior citizens and those unable to work, simply because "we" can't afford it,or that, it might affect OUR lifestyle.
As I said earlier, Sorry, Sucker!

432 Or, I suppose, you could all have your grandparents move into your apartments or houses with you. You can feed them, take care of them, cover their medical bills. It's how things used to be done.But, I gather that that would cramp your lifestyle. I can't see many young folks being willing to do that in this day and age.

433

whiskey,

America at a stroke became one big gang of thieves knocking each other over to be the one with the biggest cut. Nowhere in history has a multi-racial society that had government picking winners been anything other than a violence prone disaster that only grows at the expense of conquest: the Ottoman Empire, Mongol Empire, Persia, Imperial Rome, Stalin's USSR.


There's a universe worth of difference between this common sense point and the idiotic mumblings of Mr "Anglo Saxon Protestant" above.

You're probably right to expect a racial spoils system not unlike South Africa.  But that's a reason to act politically (and by force in the absolute worst case scenarios to defend oneself), but it is not a reason to say that blacks, "Papists" and Jews are "anti-freedom."

434 Whiskey needs to get banned.

435

So it begins.  Before the first new tax is collected.

I read an article at pjm foretelling how ObamaCare was going to turn us into a country of busy bodies.  When we're forced to pay for others HC, we'll increasingly force them/all into following prescribed life styles, etc.  To keep costs down.  Everyone jockeying for their little piece.

SS is another piece, already under attack.  Not the first time I've heard screw the boomers.  Probably be hearing a lot more of it in the future.  The Dims have created a perfect storm.  Dividing people into ever increasing special interest groups.  Race.  Class.  Age.

436 While I did not like the Papist crack (the Pope has been at least more honest than most about the challenge of Islam and it being incompatible with the West), Quarles is correct in general. If every Black man and woman was like Denzel Washington and Halle Berry, and every Mexican man and woman like Salma Hayek and Luis Guitterez, there would be no problem. But they are not. Moreover, everyone but Whites vote racial blocs. No White guy ever got votes in South Central. Or Harlem. Obama got 98% of the Black vote. Texas has fewer Mexican immigrants than California. I've been in both. Moreover, Texas's Mexican population tends to be long-settled, more Tejanos from 1845 than recent arrivals. And even THEY underperform vs. Whites in almost every social measurement: legitimacy, educational achievement, incarceration, etc. California's Mexican population is a disaster and is the difference between a manageable $2-5 billion deficit and the current $20 billion one. Californias Mexican population drove up the prison population and costs, education spending, and so on to unmanageable levels. But at a bottom line, you and every other White guy has to decide: Do you want to be Epic Bearded Guy in the bus in Oakland? I.E. a tiny White minority, where every place looks like Oakland or Santa Ana, where you are a constant target because of your race. Where you are one incident away from the full Reginald Denny treatment. This is what the future promises: most of the young men and women will Mexican. They won't like or tolerate Whites much, nor English. Most every place in America will look somewhere between Cuidad Juarez and Santa Ana. You and every other White person will be a constant target on account of your White skin, which you cannot change. You will be officially, by law, a second or third class citizen. You can either accept that, or try and change it. One way to change it is to argue, constantly, and press for this in politics, that deporting all 20 million illegals can end welfare by offering JOBS, that is JOBS, to those currently on welfare. Since US born, welfare recipients can mow lawns, clean offices, wash cars, etc. just as well as foreign nationals here illegally and cut welfare costs ... ALLOWING MORE MONEY TO HEALTHCARE. Particularly since you won't have to pay for illegal alien health care.

437 New Meme: Pelosi has Alzheimer's.  Totally irratic speech.

438

so much for whiskey being rational either.

You dipshits need to take your RAY HOE WAAAAA (yes, I misspelled intentionally) and ram it in your asses.  California will look like California does now, only more violent and more broke.  And everywhere else will look that way too.  Healthcare isn't just bad for "the white minority" (oooh, how SCARY), it's bad for AMERICANS.

I don't like illegal immigrants, I don't like ghetto culture, and I don't like racializing society.  "White solidarity" (or more pure-blooded WASP solidarity, if you're our Klan  buddy, above) ain't the answer to any of that.

439 The dictionary is replacing the word stupid with stupak.  Under synonyms for whores, there you will ALSO see...stupidstupak.

Hey, Dims, you have NO CLUE as to what you have done.  Stupak...you are a lame duck now....because hell will freeze over BEFORE you will ever be re-elected.  Enjoy your power, whore. 

Blood of aborted babies (paid for by our tax dollars!) on stupidstupak's hands.  Apparently, stupidstupak is an atheist....he doesn't think he will ever have to face God.

Stupidstupak....stupid is as stupid does.  WE HATE YOU!!

440 2 YES WE CAN.

SUCK IT LOSERS

Posted by: Phil at March 22, 2010 12:09 AM (lI9wK)

I find it reprehensible that there are people in this country that think this is cheer worthy. Your side just bankrupted this country, and all your sickening parasitic self can do is cheer. I'm going to assume from your post that you voted for Pres'ent Toonces and give you my standard thanks.

Thanks again Fiftytwo Percenters, you fucking fucks.

441 182
"The Dems have all the money in the world right now"

--and the credit card.

442 Lt. Quarles:

Take your racist white supremacist crap and your acolytes and bury yourselves in the bunker you've no doubt prepared for yourselves so you can avoid contact with unclean vermin Jews and so forth.

The conservative/libertarian movement has left your idiotic frothings in the dustbin of history where they belong (thank G-d).

443 Happy now crazy cons?

444

Wow, he lost his seat, his integrity, his power, and his soul all with one action. I wonder what he got?

Oh, and BTW crazies, the words that follow yes we can are "destroy the usa" and stupak NOT acting like a "papist" is what is evil. Stupid.

445

Reach across the aisle fellow moronxi.  From Huffpo

Michael Moore: Oscar and Emmy-winning director

Posted: March 19, 2010 06:42 PM My Congressman, Bart Stupak, Has Neither a Uterus Nor a Brain. 

He wants to primary Burt!!!  Obama brings me bi-partisanship - but no twinkies.  

 

446

Sent this to my "representative" this morning.

 

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With your recent voting record of the last year I can clearly see that the interest of the people of Indiana are not in your views.

Your services will no longer be needed by the people of Indiana and I will support any candidate other than you.

Sincerely

447

This may be the first time in American history that a bill of such import has passed without any bipartisan support.

Since the Kansas-Nebraska Act of 1854, at least. And we all know how well things turned out after that passed...

448 Sorry about the junk between the first sentence and the second. I don't know how it got there as it wasn't in anything that I copied.

449 He sold babies for asphalt. That's beyond Teutonic...

450

So he's just another cheap f**k.  He's a demoncrap; it's what they all are.

 

By the way can we now start calling this pos "health-care" bill the "health-control" bill? 

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