July 13, 2010

I Promise Project I Will Not Let This Go
— Ace

Let me tell you why PolitiFact did this -- why it claimed some kind of ambiguity.

It's because they want to give Gibbs a supposedly neutral third-party citation so he can claim "that claim has been debunked."

Now, we all know what the facts are. Obama said it. His administration put out the chart. But PolitiFact offers them the soundbite "that's been debunked." Despite the fact that they basically confirm the facts, but then just say, "But we are parsing about this word or that word so that our liberal friends can point to us as having 'debunked' it."

Same deal with these "independent panels" scrutinizing the behavior of the CRU "scientists." We all know the facts -- these guys hid data, destroyed data, ran models with inaccurate data, gamed the rules of the system to get un-vetted papers helpful to them published, and conspired to keep dissenting science out of science journals.

Do these panels refute these facts? No, they just look at the facts and offer a conclusory take: "These facts do not in and of themselves consitute an ethical breach."

Note that since that friendly conclusion was "reached," all the MFM wants to do is talk about that one-sentence "Well we think what they did wasn't that bad" and avoid discussing the facts.

Because the facts are truly awful. But they have these "independent review boards" certifying the facts are not awful enough to be censurable, and so that's what they now get to talk about: Some liberal buddy of these guys gave them a "hey, it's not that bad" conclusion, as was inevitable, and now all the liberals get to say "those claims were debunked."

Um, no, actually. The claims remain as sturdy as ever. The only new thing here is some liberal fuckwit's estimation that the claims are no big deal.

I need an expert opinion to tell me if shady behavior is shady-shady or just shady?

So, now PolitiFact delivers the liberals the quote they need -- "ambiguous," they seem to be claiming, which is enough cover for Gibbs to now say "debunked."

Uh huh.

Posted by: Ace at 04:34 PM | Comments (188)
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1 Heh.

Posted by: Bill D. Cat ( Nobel Prize winner ) at July 13, 2010 04:36 PM (NuAIL)

2

Campaign promises are like wedding vows. For liberals.

Posted by: Elizabeth Taylor at July 13, 2010 04:38 PM (aOKEC)

3 Not just shady.  Shadowed.

Posted by: GGE, Hall of Fame Moron at July 13, 2010 04:39 PM (xa1/W)

4 Why, it's almost like the difference between collusion and collision. You say journalist, I say Journo-List.

Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at July 13, 2010 04:40 PM (w9bVp)

5

I need an expert opinion to tell me if shady behavior is shady-shady or just shady?

Whoopie Goldberg hear his prayer...

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at July 13, 2010 04:40 PM (RZ8pf)

6 You cob-loggers really should talk amongst yourselves once in a while ..... don't bug Mr. inTexas tho , I'm still waiting for my Locating and Stimulating the G-Spot post .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat ( Nobel Prize winner ) at July 13, 2010 04:40 PM (NuAIL)

7 Hey, does anyone else hear a bus?

Posted by: Robert Gibbs at July 13, 2010 04:41 PM (JzTHD)

8 And Beltway Bob is a fuckwit spokestool.  Emphasis on the stool.

Posted by: GGE, Hall of Fame Moron at July 13, 2010 04:41 PM (xa1/W)

9

Politifact is pure horseshit....it's not some supercomputer that does data mining and then comes up with some objective analysis

..it's just one libtard douchebag in the op-ed department at the cartoonishly bad St. Petersburg Times

I think I'll start my own fact checking service..

...feel free to cite beedubyafact.com anytime Ace

Posted by: beedubya at July 13, 2010 04:41 PM (AnTyA)

10 He can't say "debunked" anymore because you just bunked it.

Posted by: rdbrewer at July 13, 2010 04:42 PM (RDs83)

11 beedubyafact.com, I'll remember that...

Posted by: GGE, Hall of Fame Moron at July 13, 2010 04:42 PM (xa1/W)

12 There are few things in this world I hate more that people making up the melody to the National Anthem as they go along.

Posted by: Filly at July 13, 2010 04:42 PM (OxFmB)

13

I need an expert opinion to tell me if shady behavior is shady-shady or just shady?

We at beedubyafact.com have determined that Gibbs was being shady-shady

Posted by: beedubya at July 13, 2010 04:43 PM (AnTyA)

14 You know what, Gibbs has lasted waaaaay longer as Press Secretary than I thought possible. I think the clueless gene must be strong in him. Honestly there were a few press conferences when I thought Tapper was going to reduce Gibbs to a blubbering mass curled in a fetal position behind the podium. But, like the energizer bunny, Gibbs keeps going and going and going.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at July 13, 2010 04:43 PM (RZ8pf)

15 http://tiny.cc/gt71g

Megyn Kelly smackdown.  Makes me smile everytime.

Posted by: Timbo at July 13, 2010 04:43 PM (ph9vn)

16

Of course they are ethical! They are only lying for a higher purpose.

Seriously, their entire universe is built upon lies. Why should this instance be any different?

They lie, they get caught lying, and so they lie some more.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 13, 2010 04:43 PM (oIp16)

17

10 He can't say "debunked" anymore because you just bunked it

Wouldn't that be rebunked??

Posted by: beedubya at July 13, 2010 04:44 PM (AnTyA)

18 12 There are few things in this world I hate more that people making up the melody to the National Anthem as they go along.

Screw you!

Posted by: Enrico Pallazzo at July 13, 2010 04:45 PM (I4g1R)

19

Megyn Kelly smackdown.  Makes me smile everytime

I can't watch that again......the count is really low now

Posted by: beedubya at July 13, 2010 04:45 PM (AnTyA)

20 I Promise Project I Will Not Let This Go
My long-time lurker, first time poster observation is that "manic ace" is a better blogger than "depressive ace" who is easier to beat at Parchesi.

-


lun for depressive ace - sfw


Posted by: BumperStickerist at July 13, 2010 04:45 PM (ruzrP)

21 There are few things in this world I hate more that people making up the melody to the National Anthem as they go along.

Come on, that was awesome. It was the thrill-ride drama adventure of the summer; you never knew what was coming next! Plus all the fingernail-on-chalkboard flat notes? Gold, baby. Two earplugs up.

Posted by: Waterhouse at July 13, 2010 04:46 PM (AhHCH)

22 LAYERS OF FACT CHECKING! LAYERS!

Posted by: Ben at July 13, 2010 04:46 PM (DKV43)

23 We were "nuked", but we weren't "nuke-nuked".

Posted by: Whoopi Goldberg on the Day After at July 13, 2010 04:47 PM (I4g1R)

24 and Gnip-Gnop.

"depressive ace" sucks at Gnip-Gnop

Posted by: BumperStickerist at July 13, 2010 04:47 PM (ruzrP)

25 there were 2 black men and one had a stick. I saw the video. It was terrible. Just terrible.

yeah, I shit my pants.

Posted by: denny crane at July 13, 2010 04:47 PM (I+7Zv)

26 I will let this go. The same way I forgot about the Iraq war. The same way I forgot about Gitmo. The same way I will forget about Obama promising not to raise taxes (hehe he already raised cigarette taxes and ones on healthcare but fuck it who am I to judge?). The same way I forgot about warrentless wiretapping. The same way I forgot about civilian deaths in wars. I think you get the point. He never has to say "before that you must blow me" because I usually already have.

Posted by: The MFM at July 13, 2010 04:48 PM (V/EYZ)

27 My long-time lurker, first time poster observation is that "manic ace" is a better blogger than "depressive ace" who is easier to beat at Parchesi.

I don't know, I want Depressive Ace back.

Posted by: Guy Blowing Up Oil Rigs at July 13, 2010 04:48 PM (I4g1R)

28 I'll be in debunk.

Posted by: Robert Gibbs at July 13, 2010 04:48 PM (TGNHm)

29 There are few things in this world I hate more that people making up the melody to the National Anthem as they go along.

That singer is a national security hazard. She needs to lay off the donuts, and give them to me.

Posted by: Michelle O at July 13, 2010 04:49 PM (M9BNu)

30 Geez, Denny's phoning it in these days.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 13, 2010 04:49 PM (c0A3e)

31 He can't say "debunked" anymore because you just bunked it

Wouldn't that be rebunked??

 

Isn't that what you morons did the second or third time you watched the Megyn Kelly video?

Posted by: runningrn at July 13, 2010 04:50 PM (CfmlF)

32 meh.... what is it about liberals and the contortions they put the truth thru. Their excuses and metal gymnastics are about on par with a a first graders. "Honest Mrs Smith...... I didnt puch Johnny in the nose. His face accidently ran into my fist. Honest...... I didnt hit him." .....despite the fact Mrs Smith JUST SAW him punch Johnny in the mooch.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 13, 2010 04:50 PM (ffV1/)

33 31 Geez, Denny's phoning it in these days.

I know, right?

Posted by: IHOP at July 13, 2010 04:50 PM (I4g1R)

34 26 there were 2 black men and one had a stick. I saw the video. It was terrible. Just terrible. Posted by: denny crane at July 13, 2010 08:47 PM (I+7Zv) I agree voter fraud and racist voter intimidation is no big deal. Hell look at how I whitewashed Byrd's KKK membership.

Posted by: The MFM at July 13, 2010 04:50 PM (V/EYZ)

35

Isn't that what you morons did the second or third time you watched the Megyn Kelly video?

Posted by: runningrn at July 13, 2010 08:50 PM (CfmlF)

No, I made a ringtone out of it.

Posted by: robtr at July 13, 2010 04:51 PM (fwSHf)

36 Say that's a nice conspiracy theory you've got there. Now pay me.

Posted by: Cass Sunstein, choice imagineer at July 13, 2010 04:51 PM (w9BEi)

37

>>  I'm still waiting for my Locating and Stimulating the G-Spot post .

 

Oh God, you're one of those.

 

A G-spoter.

 

When will you people every give up on this nonsense?

Posted by: Dave in Texas at July 13, 2010 04:52 PM (Wh0W+)

38

This so-called "debunkage" isn't for us. This buncombe is for the trolls. This is for smug hipsters to parrot in their altercations with us peasants. They don't have to believe it themselves; it is even better for them that they not believe it.

The point is for them to have an Authority to assert, an approved authority, an authority which everyone in academia and the civil service has signed onto. To go against that would be "extreme", maybe even "nuts".

They want more face-offs with educated lying hacks on their side, against proles like the elderly woman who called out that congressdouche on the Panthers a few threads back. The congressdouche takes the "high" ground by mocking stuff people "read on the Internet". It's him versus some stammering old hag; it's Trusted Authority versus some throwback.

The more the Democrats do it, the more they hope that the rest of us get angry enough to say something which we might regret.

That's what they portrayed last year. This is the message: the Democrats are the winners and those who oppose them are tired old losers.

Posted by: Zimriel at July 13, 2010 04:52 PM (sz5/e)

39 Geez, Denny's phoning it in these days.

We've cut him off, so he must just be re-using the old memes we sent him last year.

Posted by: Axelrod Troll Central at July 13, 2010 04:52 PM (AhHCH)

40 Sounds just like the Global Warming Independent Reviews!

Posted by: CDR M at July 13, 2010 08:50 PM (5I8G0)

Just because ace doesn't read his own blog means you're excused, too.

Posted by: Editor at July 13, 2010 04:52 PM (YX6i/)

41 I wonder how much coverage we would have gotten had we hung outside a polling place intimidating voters with nightsticks and the Bush administration dismissed our guilty verdict? I keed I keed.

Posted by: The KKK at July 13, 2010 04:53 PM (V/EYZ)

42 34 meh.... what is it about liberals and the contortions they put the truth thru. Their excuses and metal gymnastics are about on par with a a first graders.

Cognative dissonance and projection are a big part of what libs do. 

That coupled with a child-like, naive view of the world.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 13, 2010 04:53 PM (c0A3e)

43 If any Leftist wants to claim that it has been "debunked," remind them that despite every possible attempt to parse and reparse and find hidden meanings in Obama's statements, they still found Will's statement to be "TRUE."

Granted, they said "Barely true," but "Barely passed" is still "passed" no matter how many ways you cut it.

So even Politifact couldn't twist itself hard enough to say it was "Not true" or even "Ambiguous," it's TRUE.

Posted by: Jim B at July 13, 2010 04:54 PM (6pO2h)

44 I've left my bunk. I'm debunked now.

Posted by: Megan K fan at July 13, 2010 04:55 PM (HtIec)

45 factcheck.org pulls this same crap on a regular basis.

Posted by: golden boy at July 13, 2010 04:56 PM (tCImz)

46 Damn it.  I've been de-bunkered.

Posted by: Adolf Hitler at July 13, 2010 04:56 PM (I4g1R)

47 C'mon, it's just words.

Word.

Now let's pass some legislation so we can see what's in it.

Posted by: Botox Pelosi (D - So'na) at July 13, 2010 04:56 PM (AhHCH)

48 So is this like the tipping point where the pod people drop just start doing their thing out in the open?

Posted by: Jerry Garcia's dog at July 13, 2010 04:57 PM (w9BEi)

49

Look at me here on the beach in Pensacola....it's beautiful. None of that sludge from the hubby's gusher here.

It's great here..really great. Great place for a beach vacation...yep...a really, really great place for a beach vacation...

...so you should really come down here if you're looking for a beach vacation.

'K...gotta go now...cuz we have to get ready for our beach vacation in...um...Maine

Posted by: M'Chelle Obama at July 13, 2010 04:57 PM (AnTyA)

50 These guys make me look like a fucking piker.

Posted by: The Guy From Scanners Whose Head Explodes at July 13, 2010 04:57 PM (V/EYZ)

51 The MFM is on Gibbsy's side.If they weren't any one of them could roll that pasty faced douche.

Posted by: steevy at July 13, 2010 04:57 PM (+oDXF)

52 The Global Warmists didn't rape-rape the truth.

Posted by: The State Media at July 13, 2010 04:59 PM (bgcml)

53 Everybody pay attention for the Gibbs quote.  Ace is particularly good at this kind of prediction.

Posted by: rdbrewer at July 13, 2010 04:59 PM (RDs83)

54 57 The MFM is on Gibbsy's side.If they weren't any one of them could roll that pasty faced douche. Posted by: steevy at July 13, 2010 08:57 PM (+oDXF) Dude we laugh when he lies to us. You can google it. We are in on the joke.

Posted by: The MFM at July 13, 2010 04:59 PM (V/EYZ)

55

Politifact??...*snort*...

I go to Media Matters when I want the real truth

Posted by: beedubya at July 13, 2010 04:59 PM (AnTyA)

56 It depends what the meaning of is President is. And effete pantywaist, and hollow narcissist, and...

Posted by: t-bird at July 13, 2010 05:00 PM (FcR7P)

57 Uh, what part of "PoliFact" don't you understand? You know, merger of the words political and fact. Do I need to repeat that last word so you racist baggers can understand it? It's fact. F. A. C. T. It's in the dictionary, look it up. Wait, never mind. You baggers can't read anything unless it's got the Faux News seal of approval. Or the Palin "You Betcha" Stamp.
PoliFact has got a team of researchers and layers of fact checkers, they know what they are doing and prove it--not like you "bloggers" in your underwear in Mom's basement.
Anyway, your wrong and you just can't handle the truth and so you are just going to lie and yell and put on your white sheets. Again.

So, Keith is about to come on and he's really going to wipe the floor with your lies. Again. Then, I'm going to watch Maddow. Then a little Daily Show. Then surf Kos for a bit. And maybe a bit of DU. You know: Us smart people like a diversity of opinions and news sources. Maybe you could try that and learn something.

Posted by: Typical Lib at July 13, 2010 05:00 PM (EvB76)

58 Rahm Emanuel called me a penis with ears this morning. Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

Posted by: Robert Gibbs at July 13, 2010 05:00 PM (/106s)

59 I wonder how much coverage we would have gotten had we hung outside a polling place intimidating voters with nightsticks and the Bush administration dismissed our guilty verdict?

I keed I keed. Posted by: The KKK

Well Doug Ross is taking a poll, so lets see.

Posted by: sTevo at July 13, 2010 05:00 PM (zIUsq)

60 Posted by: Typical Lib at July 13, 2010 09:00 PM (EvB76)

Send us your resume, stat!

Posted by: CrooksAndLiars.com at July 13, 2010 05:01 PM (I4g1R)

61 My bulldog made a statue of Gibbs in the backyard about 15 minutes ago. It's haunting to look at because the likeness is so real.

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at July 13, 2010 05:02 PM (YVZlY)

62

I sent Politifacts an e-mail that there was a word that described them accurately:        prostitute!

Posted by: Retire Buckeye Cop at July 13, 2010 05:02 PM (bCQG3)

63 65 Rahm Emanuel called me a penis with ears this morning. Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

Shut up and count your blessings.

Posted by: A Penis Without Ears at July 13, 2010 05:03 PM (I4g1R)

64 18 12 There are few things in this world I hate more that people making up the melody to the National Anthem as they go along.

Screw you!

Posted by: Enrico Pallazzo at July 13, 2010 08:45 PM (I4g1R)

Okay, I walked right into that one.

*spits*

Posted by: Filly at July 13, 2010 05:04 PM (I7pBn)

65

Honestly there were a few press conferences when I thought Tapper was going to reduce Gibbs to a blubbering mass curled in a fetal position behind the podium.

*pish*...that's all a myth. I don't get why Tapper has the reputation he has. When has Tapper ever pressed Gibbs on anything substantive???

Posted by: beedubya at July 13, 2010 05:04 PM (AnTyA)

66

47 Just once I'd like to see Major Garrett tell Gibbs to go take a flying fuck at a rolling donut. - Wodeshed

 

Once he gets promoted to Colonel,  WATCH OUT!

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch says... at July 13, 2010 05:04 PM (sJTmU)

67

I sent Politifacts an e-mail that there was a word that described them accurately:        prostitute!

Posted by: Retire Buckeye Cop at July 13, 2010 09:02 PM (bCQG3)

Yeah, but the great think about it is that we don't even have to pay these guys.  The even suck us off.

Posted by: The Whitehouse at July 13, 2010 05:04 PM (YX6i/)

68 Oh God, you're one of those. Ya gotta dream man .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat ( Nobel Prize winner ) at July 13, 2010 05:04 PM (NuAIL)

69 I think I saw those 2 black panthers. They were not dressed up in costume, I think maybe they were undercover

I had to go to my bunk. Well, after stopping by the kitchen to pick up some frozen fruit, IYKWIMAITYD.

Posted by: denny crane at July 13, 2010 05:05 PM (I+7Zv)

70 Snopes, wikipedia, the list goes on. If there's water, it'll be carried by these fucks.

Posted by: The Dread Pirate Neck Beard at July 13, 2010 08:57 PM (wOtDN)

Boy does snopes brass me off. They'll take some LaRouche criticism of Obama, point out it is silly, and say hur hur, look at all those crazy conspiracy nuts.

For example, they claim; "During a campaign stop, Barack Obama said that he had visited "fifty-seven states." as partially true. Why partially? They pair it with the claim 57 is something to do with the number of Islamic states. BUT THEY DON'T mention that on the main page.

On the other hand, they treat the claim that Bush didn't know their were black people in Brazil as undetermined - because there is no proof he didn't say it...



Posted by: 18-1 at July 13, 2010 05:06 PM (bgcml)

71 If there's water, it'll be carried by these fucks.

Posted by: The Dread Pirate Neck Beard at July 13, 2010 08:57 PM (wOtDN)

It's not even water.  It's piss.

 

CDR M, you're on fire! 

Posted by: runningrn at July 13, 2010 05:06 PM (CfmlF)

72

*pish*...that's all a myth. I don't get why Tapper has the reputation he has. When has Tapper ever pressed Gibbs on anything substantive???

Posted by: beedubya at July 13, 2010 09:04 PM (AnTyA)

Its all true my friend. Some of the time I refuse to submit as many as half my questions to the White House before asking them!

Posted by: Jake Tapper at July 13, 2010 05:07 PM (bgcml)

73

Snopes, wikipedia, the list goes on. If there's water, it'll be carried by these fucks.

 

I don't know what I hate more.  Snopes or those smug, annoying idiots that refer to and quote it. 

Posted by: runningrn at July 13, 2010 05:07 PM (CfmlF)

74

'K...gotta go now...cuz we have to get ready for our beach vacation in...um...Maine

Posted by: M'Chelle Obama at July 13, 2010 08:57 PM (AnTyA)

Does Michelle's ass look as fat in Maine as it does in Florida?

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at July 13, 2010 05:08 PM (YVZlY)

75

I think I saw those 2 black panthers. They were not dressed up in costume, I think maybe they were undercover

Undercover Brother! They should make a movie about that!

I bet it would HI-larious!

Posted by: ErikW at July 13, 2010 05:08 PM (/106s)

76

@12: "There are few things in this world I hate more that people making up the melody to the National Anthem as they go along."

Fuck you, too, pal.

Posted by: Frank "Enrico Pallozzo" Drebbin at July 13, 2010 05:08 PM (ySNz/)

77

*pish*...that's all a myth

 

Yeth!

Posted by: Woman with a lithp at July 13, 2010 05:08 PM (CfmlF)

78 I'll debunk you someday, Red Baron!

Posted by: Snopey at July 13, 2010 05:09 PM (I4g1R)

79

Does Michelle's ass look as fat in Maine as it does in Florida?

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at July 13, 2010 09:08 PM (YVZlY)

Isn't Florida usually inside Michelle's ass?

(you're welcome)

Posted by: Editor at July 13, 2010 05:10 PM (YX6i/)

80

Does Michelle's ass look as fat in Maine as it does in Florida?

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at July 13, 2010 09:08 PM (YVZlY)

You know nothing of beauty sir! There is not a more beautiful creature on the entire planet...of uh, Kashyyyk

Posted by: EVERY DAMN FASHION MAGAZINE at July 13, 2010 05:10 PM (bgcml)

81

Payoff?  Sure, there's a payoff.

It is status, being part of the Progressive Nomenklatura.  It's identity politics, except the identity is a stealthy self-destructive set of ideas.

 

I've read one particular "conservative" blogger call Ezra Klein a "smart, thoughful leftist".  Ezra Klein is phony douche, like all the rest, regurgitating all the tropes and bromides he was taught by the academy in school. He has no original ideas; even Journolist is more like a bunch of freaky teenagers texting each other (see Iowahawk parody).  These guys are ALL THE SAME.

 

Does an objective reality exist?  If it does, they sure as the Sun rises in the morning, this sort of nonsense will eventually turn to...shit. Unfortunately, the guiltless as well as the guilty are going to be going along for the ride.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch says... at July 13, 2010 05:11 PM (sJTmU)

82

Does Michelle's ass look as fat in Maine as it does in Florida?

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at July 13, 2010 09:08 PM (YVZlY)

You can see it from florida


Posted by: robtr at July 13, 2010 05:11 PM (fwSHf)

83

Does Michelle's ass look as fat in Maine as it does in Florida?

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at July 13, 2010 09:08 PM (YVZlY)



Michelle doesn't have a big fat ass. That's been debunked.

Posted by: polifact at July 13, 2010 05:11 PM (HtIec)

84 Sarah Palin is stupid and just made that whole "Death Panel" thing up, Rush Limbaugh wants to bring back slavery, those ACORN folks were just trying to help, Robert Byrd just did that whole Klan thing as a gag, and John Lewis was repeatedly called the n-word.

Posted by: Independent third party verified facts in case you forget at July 13, 2010 05:12 PM (w9BEi)

85

IT'S A CONSPIRACY!

AND THOSE PEOPLE OVER THERE, THEY'RE PART OF THE CONSPIRACY!

AND THOSE OTHER PEOPLE OVER THERE, THEY'RE PART OF THE CONSPIRACY!

RUN! THE SCIENTISTS ARE COMING FOR YOU!!!

Posted by: JEA at July 13, 2010 05:12 PM (mz6wC)

86 I'll debunk you next time, Gadget. Next time ....

Posted by: Dr. Claw at July 13, 2010 05:12 PM (AhHCH)

87

Undercover Brother! They should make a movie about that!

I bet it would HI-larious!

Posted by: ErikW at July 13, 2010 09:08 PM (/106s)

Hmm, you may be on to something. Hey, where's the rest of the blow? I've got to audition a couple of underage stars in my trailer.

Posted by: Some Hollywood Mogul at July 13, 2010 05:12 PM (bgcml)

88 Aunt Filly, I made a picture of Robert Gibbs for you in my diaper.  It's even better than my masterwork depicting Nancy Pelosi.

Posted by: Filly's Baby Nephew at July 13, 2010 05:13 PM (I7pBn)

89 It doesn't matter.

The Obama Regime owns it and everyone knows.

Posted by: The Oracle at July 13, 2010 05:13 PM (F6+/O)

90 Truth doesn't matter, I'm afraid.  We can argue and cite and point out lies all day and long into the night but it doesn't matter.  The liberals just need to be able to say "that's been debunked" and that's all people hear.  Their loyal mind-slaves will spread that over the liberal blogs and NPR, and the liberal idiots will see or hear that and happily reprogram their own memories to match. 

We've got to stop bringing a rubber knife to a gunfight.  Facts don't matter.  Truth doesn't matter.  What matters is a memorable catch-phrase, a vivid image, a viral sound-bite video, or a funny one-liner.  Arguing about what Obama actually said is a fool's game; it makes us look like petulant dweebs.

Sean Hannity has the right idea:  pick one bullet-point and repeat it every five seconds for the duration of his show.  Pound that sucker home and ignore any counter-argument.

For this one, I suggest spinning it back around on them:  "Obama's changing history again to hide his incompetence."  Don't argue facts, don't talk about 8.5 percent vs. 9 percent vs. the price of spit in Abilene.  Just keep saying "Obama's changing history again.  There he goes, changing history.  I sure wish his crew would decide what lie they're telling this week; it's confusing when they go back and change what they said.  How come he doesn't spend as much effort on being President as he does on lying about what he said last year?" 

Pound it home, don't sweat the facts.  A vivid lie is better than a book full of truth.  It's time to learn from the Master himself:  Barack Obama, Father of Lies.

Posted by: Trimegistus at July 13, 2010 05:14 PM (Q9gNc)

91

Does Michelle's ass look as fat in Maine as it does in Florida?

She wasn't in a bathing suit..

...God does exist

Posted by: beedubya at July 13, 2010 05:14 PM (AnTyA)

92 John Lewis was repeatedly called the n-word.

Posted by: Independent third party verified facts in case you forget at July 13, 2010 09:12 PM (w9BEi)

Actually, I've been trying to rap my head around this one.

So, the argument is someone called a Congressman a bad word. And this therefore means everyone that disagrees with the Congressman is actually a racist, no matter why they claim they disagree. And this makes sense to the left.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 13, 2010 05:14 PM (bgcml)

93 Hard to believe it, but cracker racism stopped the unstoppable force that is the Earth Healer™.

Posted by: gator at July 13, 2010 05:15 PM (aOKEC)

94 M'chelle, thanks so much for getting out of the way of my new hotel in Pensacola, as your ass was affecting the tides.  Fins up, bitch!

Very truly yours,

Posted by: Jimmy Buffett at July 13, 2010 05:15 PM (I7pBn)

95

IT'S A CONSPIRACY!

AND THOSE PEOPLE OVER THERE, THEY'RE PART OF THE CONSPIRACY!

AND THOSE OTHER PEOPLE OVER THERE, THEY'RE PART OF THE CONSPIRACY!

RUN! THE SCIENTISTS ARE COMING FOR YOU!!!

The Force is strong in this one.

Posted by: Saul Alinsky at July 13, 2010 05:15 PM (w9BEi)

96

The Force is strong in this one.

Posted by: Saul Alinsky at July 13, 2010 09:15 PM (w9BEi)

I wonder if he would mind carrying my luggage for me? Its a collection, bo..., uh, clocks.

Posted by: Bill Ayers at July 13, 2010 05:16 PM (bgcml)

97
Did Michelle dig up her dildo from the garden for the trip to Maine?

Posted by: Fish at July 13, 2010 05:16 PM (v1gw3)

98 So has anything come of Breitbart's $100,000 JournoList Rat Challenge?

Posted by: Filly at July 13, 2010 05:16 PM (I7pBn)

99 THE SCIENTISTS ARE COMING FOR YOU!!!

Come into my office, I have some potassium chloride for you.

Posted by: John Holdren, Sciency Czar, Human Depopulation Advocate at July 13, 2010 05:17 PM (AhHCH)

100 "Obama is truth, truth Obama," - that is all
        Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

Posted by: John MFM Keats at July 13, 2010 05:17 PM (CfmlF)

Posted by: maurice at July 13, 2010 05:17 PM (p302b)

102
Robert Gibbs lives under a giant toadstool whacking off to Lindsay Lohan's picture and munching on shit san'wiches.

Posted by: Fish at July 13, 2010 05:18 PM (v1gw3)

103 I still think Dana Perino is hotter than Megyn Kelly. Can't be debunked.

Posted by: gator at July 13, 2010 05:19 PM (aOKEC)

104 So has anything come of Breitbart's $100,000 JournoList Rat Challenge?

Posted by: Filly at July 13, 2010 09:16 PM (I7pBn)

We have nothing to hide! So, hell no, we won't give up our partisan scheming and planning, uh, open minded discussions. Oh, and Mickey Kaus is a BITCH!

Posted by: Some Journolister at July 13, 2010 05:19 PM (bgcml)

105 It's just so disheartening to try and fight the good fight.Everyday the odds seem to get worse.

Posted by: steevy at July 13, 2010 05:19 PM (+oDXF)

106 O/T:  that's too creepy.  my friends are reporting that they have received emails from the campaign naming them and saying "we need you in (insert town).  It is creeping everyone who contributed out.  wonder why, it's no different than the usual emails they send.

Posted by: maurice at July 13, 2010 05:20 PM (p302b)

107 112 Concur.

Posted by: steevy at July 13, 2010 05:20 PM (+oDXF)

108 I can sum up the MFM in two words: Fifth fucking column.

Posted by: Countrysquire at July 13, 2010 05:20 PM (PfpKC)

109 Once upon a time, if you wanted to check whether something was true you just read the regular news. Then everyone noticed the regular news was carrying water for the lefties. So a new, more rigorous exercise called "fact checking" cropped up. They were going to get the facts, without any of that opinion stuff get in the way! The problem was the people doing the writing kind of liked opinions in the news, as long as they were their own opinions. So now "fact checking" is the same as the regular news: it's infested by lefties that are carrying water for their various allies. They just put a "New and Improved!" label on the old reporting with the same crap inside the covers.

Posted by: Ernst Blofeld at July 13, 2010 05:21 PM (IQt7W)

110 I still think Dana Perino is hotter than Megyn Kelly.

Upding.

Posted by: Waterhouse at July 13, 2010 05:21 PM (AhHCH)

111 Yeah that whole "to each according to his needs" thing, never came up.

Posted by: Walter Duranty at July 13, 2010 05:21 PM (w9BEi)

112
For instance, while the FCC concluded that “bullshit” in a “NYPD Blue” episode was patently offensive, it concluded that “dick” and “dickhead” were not.

Posted by: John MFM Keats at July 13, 2010 09:17 PM (CfmlF)

That dickhead Obama is full of bullship and Michelle's dick is very small.

Posted by: Fish at July 13, 2010 05:21 PM (v1gw3)

113 It's just so disheartening to try and fight the good fight.Everyday the odds seem to get worse.

Posted by: steevy at July 13, 2010 09:19 PM (+oDXF)

It will all come down to how much the electorate cares in the end. If 51% only care about gettin' theirs from da MAN, we are screwed. Ironically, the American Republic will die in a very similar method to the Roman...

the people that once bestowed commands, consulships, legions, and all else, now meddles no more and longs eagerly for just two things --bread and circuses.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 13, 2010 05:22 PM (bgcml)

114 I still think Dana Perino is hotter than Megyn Kelly. Can't be debunked.

Posted by: gator at July 13, 2010 09:19 PM (aOKEC)

Come on now. Moron nation demands facts man, evidence!

Posted by: 18-1 at July 13, 2010 05:23 PM (bgcml)

115 It wasn't a prediction prediction

Posted by: whoopi at July 13, 2010 05:23 PM (hCQG5)

116 123 I started talking about the parallels years ago.Frightening.

Posted by: steevy at July 13, 2010 05:23 PM (+oDXF)

117 A while back the Catholic Church decided to discuss with Catholics the fact that they are the Church, it's not brick and mortar, it's the people of the Catholic faith who are the church.

Maybe it is time for the republicans to make people realize that they are "da man", that the government isn't 'da man' that they are, and if they screw the man they are, in effect, screwing themselves.

Posted by: curious at July 13, 2010 05:24 PM (p302b)

118

@115: "It's just so disheartening to try and fight the good fight.Everyday the odds seem to get worse"

Fighting the good fight involves actual fighting. The best that the Right really ever manages is half-hearted debate.  If they could ever even gin up the courage for a contretemps or maybe even a foofaraw...

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at July 13, 2010 05:25 PM (ySNz/)

119

I've only seen Dana Perino from the breastaziz up..

...how does she look from behind??

Don't count Megyn out

Posted by: beedubya at July 13, 2010 05:25 PM (AnTyA)

120 All the great civilizations died of the same things we suffer now.

Posted by: davidt at July 13, 2010 05:25 PM (HtIec)

121 Abraham Lincoln never lost an election. Says right here on his wiki.

Posted by: Keith Olbermann at July 13, 2010 05:26 PM (w9BEi)

122 Perino is hotter. Here's your facts!

Posted by: gator at July 13, 2010 05:27 PM (aOKEC)

123 132 Abraham Lincoln never lost an election. Says right here on his wiki.

And he was brutally honest in regards to Mary's butt size.  Geico said so.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 13, 2010 05:28 PM (JzTHD)

124 130 All the great civilizations died of the same things we suffer now.

The more things change the more they stay the same.

Posted by: Snake Plissken at July 13, 2010 05:28 PM (c0A3e)

125 gator, I hate you. 

Posted by: Editor at July 13, 2010 05:28 PM (YX6i/)

126 Here's your facts!

We have sent you a sternly-worded letter in protest of your war crime.

Posted by: United Nations Internet Peacekeeping Force at July 13, 2010 05:29 PM (AhHCH)

127 133 BASTARD!!!

Posted by: steevy at July 13, 2010 05:29 PM (+oDXF)

128 *snicker*  Helen-rolling.  Hope that catches on.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at July 13, 2010 05:29 PM (M9BNu)

129 The lies aren't just to manipulate what people believe.  It's also a way of cementing loyalty.  Every time your lefty dickhead brother-in-law repeats some obvious bullshit from the Obama administration, he's chipping off another bit of his soul, his identity.  Each lie you repeat makes it harder to admit.  To save your self-respect you can't admit that any of them are lies.

Posted by: Trimegistus at July 13, 2010 05:29 PM (Q9gNc)

130

Don't count Megyn out

Fuck, that's a nice retort. When I finish beating my dick like Mel Gibson beats his girlfriend, I'll decide if you're right.

Posted by: gator at July 13, 2010 05:30 PM (aOKEC)

131

After careful consideration...and a lot of hand lotion and tissues..

beedubyafact.com TM  has determined that Megyn Kelly is definitely hotter

Posted by: beedubya at July 13, 2010 05:30 PM (AnTyA)

132 goddamn'it gator

Posted by: robtr at July 13, 2010 05:30 PM (fwSHf)

133 HeatherRadish, I hate you.

Posted by: Editor at July 13, 2010 05:30 PM (YX6i/)

134 Oh by the way, we get absolutely no money from Soros. Nada. Zilch. None.

Source: Center For American Progress

Posted by: Media Matters For America at July 13, 2010 05:30 PM (w9BEi)

135 What is snopes and politifacts position on the accusations of racial slurs toward members of the black caucus? Debunked?

Posted by: polynikes at July 13, 2010 05:31 PM (ch2cQ)

136

@130: "All the great civilizations died of the same things we suffer now."

You guys have Spaniards too?

Posted by: The Aztecs & Incas at July 13, 2010 05:32 PM (ySNz/)

Posted by: Naked Eyes at July 13, 2010 05:32 PM (BP6Z1)

138

I apologize...I accidentally hit the "blind people" key on my laptop. You can trust me on this one.

Fuck me running!! Smart, conservative, classy....mmmm, mmm, mmm.........

Posted by: gator at July 13, 2010 05:33 PM (aOKEC)

139 Nontroversy, nontroversy!!

Posted by: Carhels Jhonson at July 13, 2010 05:33 PM (JzTHD)

140 Evidence in the case for Dana Perino (there's some douchenozzle on for 44 seconds at first)

Posted by: Waterhouse at July 13, 2010 05:34 PM (AhHCH)

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 13, 2010 05:34 PM (JzTHD)

142

You guys have Spaniards too?

Posted by: The Aztecs & Incas at July 13, 2010 09:32 PM (ySNz/)

Only on TV.

Posted by: Editor at July 13, 2010 05:34 PM (YX6i/)

143 147

@130: "All the great civilizations died of the same things we suffer now."

You guys have Spaniards too?

Posted by: The Aztecs & Incas at July 13, 2010 09:32 PM (ySNz/)


They're called 'Undocumented Immigrants' now.

Posted by: davidt at July 13, 2010 05:35 PM (HtIec)

144

I wonder how much coverage we would have gotten had we hung outside a polling place intimidating voters with nightsticks and the Bush administration dismissed our guilty verdict?

I keed I keed. Posted by: The KKK

I would LOVE to watch Holder's head explode if a black conservative showed up at an overwhelmingly "black" polling place in a white sheet and hood, holding a burning cross. 

Would THAT constitute voter intimidation, or would the "No prosecution of blacks for voter rights violations" still be in place?  Would it be considered a hate crime?  The possibilities for hilarity are ENDLESS.....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at July 13, 2010 05:36 PM (Nr9jl)

145

They're called 'Undocumented Immigrants Democrats' now.

Posted by: davidt at July 13, 2010 09:35 PM (HtIec)

FIFY

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at July 13, 2010 05:36 PM (YVZlY)

146 Heather, I love, love, love the idea. Thanks for giving voice (and name) to the beauty that is "Helen-rolling".

Posted by: gator at July 13, 2010 05:37 PM (aOKEC)

147

@155: "They're called 'Undocumented Immigrants' now."

We might have called them that, but we didn't really have much in the way of documents.  Un-big-petroglyphed Immigrants" doesn't really flow, especially when you have to put an "-itlan" on the end of every goddamn syllable.

Posted by: The Aztecs & Incas at July 13, 2010 05:38 PM (ySNz/)

148 Here you go..."Goldman and Morgan Likely Saw Soft Quarter"
Batchelor discussing this with "joe"and larry kudlow now.

Posted by: curious at July 13, 2010 05:39 PM (p302b)

149 oh my they are talking about whispers of tax cuts...is that how he will get the whole democratic congress and senate reelected and secure his second term....surprise tax cuts?

Posted by: curious at July 13, 2010 05:40 PM (p302b)

150 It looks like "polli got a cracker"

Posted by: curious at July 13, 2010 05:41 PM (p302b)

151 Gee, for such a brainy, Nobel prize-winning POtuS, Obama sure does have a hard time making himself understood. 

Posted by: Y-not at July 13, 2010 05:43 PM (O627A)

152 And noble Caesar hath told us the Vandals and Huns are only asking for better seats at the Hippodrome!

Posted by: Gandalf de Blanco at July 13, 2010 05:43 PM (1Ap7+)

153

Would THAT constitute voter intimidation, or would the "No prosecution of blacks for voter rights violations" still be in place?  Would it be considered a hate crime?  The possibilities for hilarity are ENDLESS.....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at July 13, 2010 09:36 PM (Nr9jl)

It's similar to the bullshit going on with the NAACP accusing the Tea Party of being racist.

Let's see now, a group called the "National Association for the Advancement of Colored People" is call the Tea Part racist.

Would the NAACP be cool with a group called the NAAWP? - The National Association for the Advancement of White People

Give me a break. Of course they wouldn't.  The bullshit is so fucking deep.

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent - documented conservative at July 13, 2010 05:44 PM (YVZlY)

154 All the great civilizations died of the same things we suffer now.

Posted by: davidt at July 13, 2010 09:25 PM (HtIec)

I must respectfully disagree.  This is unique.  The modern West is the first totally dominant civilization to commit suicide as atonement for its great advancement and creativity.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 13, 2010 05:45 PM (Qp4DT)

155 LOL you guys are crazy. So let me guess, they just made up all that stuff about Hitler being a Conservative Christian too?

Posted by: Democrat voter at July 13, 2010 05:47 PM (w9BEi)

156 Hell, by this standard, the Obama administration looks great.  They're probably even better than 15th best now!

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 13, 2010 05:48 PM (r1h5M)

157

It's similar to the bullshit going on with the NAACP accusing the Tea Party of being racist

Shouldn't that be NAAAAP (National Association of African American-y Peoples) by now?

Posted by: beedubya at July 13, 2010 05:48 PM (AnTyA)

158 Ace,

O'Brien will now, very soon, invite you to his flat. You'll find he can actually turn the telescreen off. He will fill you in on a childhood rhyme you can't quite recall in its entirety, and promise to get a special book to you.

And he will - he promises - meet you one day in a place where there is no darkness.

Posted by: Hey.Wheres.Barry at July 13, 2010 05:49 PM (hyP1j)

159

PoP,

When all of Ameica looks like Tijuana, everything will be better. I'm sure the Mexicans will be just as understanding with all the other races when they are in control.

Posted by: gator at July 13, 2010 05:50 PM (aOKEC)

160 Nice to know.

Unfortunately, the ignorance of the electorate makes these tactics effective.  Chocolate Jesus is all good because he says he is and his friends say he is.  Don't let the facts cloud your judgement.

Posted by: Festive Protrudence at July 13, 2010 05:50 PM (qBwgu)

161 Basically, you outsource your integrity, so when you have none, they can't blame you.  BUT FOR BLOGS.

Posted by: ParisParamus at July 13, 2010 05:50 PM (qxV2+)

162

I would LOVE to watch Holder's head explode if a black conservative showed up at an overwhelmingly "black" polling place in a white sheet and hood, holding a burning cross. 

Dave Chappelle did that already. And it was annoying and immature when he did it.

Anyway what we're more likely to see is Leftists doing that to gin up a phony controversy.

Posted by: Zimriel at July 13, 2010 05:50 PM (sz5/e)

163 Shouldn't that be NAAAAP (National Association of African American-y Peoples) by now? Posted by: beedubya at July 13, 2010 09:48 PM (AnTyA) I got fired for saying that!

Posted by: Don Imus at July 13, 2010 05:50 PM (Qp4DT)

164 167 The apathy,avarice and ignorance of the population is the same.

Posted by: steevy at July 13, 2010 05:51 PM (+oDXF)

165 I'd sop them both up with a biscuit. That is some hot stuff.

Definitely rusty nails and broken glass material.

Posted by: sifty at July 13, 2010 05:51 PM (BDP/V)

166 Sorry POP, I don't buy the suicide as atonement theory. America got fat and lazy and developed an entitlement and vanity mentality. Add to that the various attacks and invasions from the outside and you have the same recipe that took down every great civilization in history.

Posted by: davidt at July 13, 2010 05:51 PM (HtIec)

167

Would the NAACP be cool with a group called the NAAWP?

I was thinking the same thing. And what about a white caucus in the House of Representatives, or a Miss White America. I could go on, but you get the idea. Would never be allowed.

I denounce myself.

Posted by: Ronster at July 13, 2010 05:52 PM (nnNfA)

168 O/T:  "Financial Overhaul Bill Nears Passage With Republican Support"

And he's such a hottie, the pic is very becoming....

Posted by: curious at July 13, 2010 05:52 PM (p302b)

169

The Tea Party racist claim is a perfect alinsky meme.

They havn't accused any one individual, there is no one to say bullshit I didn't say that you are lying. They just said hey someone heard someone say the n word and we don't know who it was.

That passes for facts on the MFM now.

Posted by: robtr at July 13, 2010 05:52 PM (fwSHf)

170 LOL you guys are crazy. So let me guess, they just made up all that stuff about Hitler being a Conservative Christian too?

Posted by: Democrat voter at July 13, 2010 09:47 PM (w9BEi)

How is it that we have Holocaust museums, NAZIs are the villains in our movies to this day, and the average person has no idea who Archbishop Galen was or why Stauffenberg thought he had an obligation to kill Hitler? 

“We took this challenge before our Lord and our conscience, and it must be done, because this man, Hitler, he is the ultimate evil.”

Posted by: 18-1 at July 13, 2010 05:53 PM (bgcml)

171 183 The NAZI's were right wingers!!!!!111ELEVENTY1111

Posted by: steevy at July 13, 2010 05:54 PM (+oDXF)

172

 the ignorance of the electorate makes these tactics effective

Our big problem is not Toonces or his fat ass wife. It is the 62,000,000+ dumbasses that voted for this Black Separatist Marxist. America is strong enough to survive a horrible Presidency...it's been done over and over. We cannot survive half of the country actively trying to destroy the ideas that made America possible.

And, oh yeah, we have no southern border. And liberals breed better.

Posted by: gator at July 13, 2010 05:54 PM (aOKEC)

173

Would never be allowed.

Only because most whites wouldn't stand for it. Being black means never having to say you're sorry....for hating and actively, publicly rooting against Whitey.

Posted by: gator at July 13, 2010 05:55 PM (aOKEC)

174 185 Hence the anaology to Rome.

Posted by: steevy at July 13, 2010 05:56 PM (+oDXF)

175 Some days I think the news must be written by Xanax to drum up business.


Posted by: sifty at July 13, 2010 05:58 PM (BDP/V)

176 -->Sorry POP, I don't buy the suicide as atonement theory.

That's okay.  You'll come around.

-->America got fat and lazy and developed an entitlement and vanity mentality. Add to that the various attacks and invasions from the outside and you have the same recipe that took down every great civilization in history.

Posted by: davidt at July 13, 2010 09:51 PM (HtIec) 

That's all true, but what has animated the rapid deterioration of the West, in my view, has been white guilt and all of the perversions of our society that were effected in order to alleviate some of this illusory guilt.  We made mockeries of our legal system, our electoral systems, our traditions towards business and private property, ... all atonement, as I score.  The final blow was prompted by the credit crisis, which drove America into a near-psychotic state and emotional black hole, from which most of the 52% decided to "end it all" in a blaze of 'racial' atonement, politically correct stupidity and total irresponsibility.  Everyone knew that the Indonesian Imbecile hated America and was going to do his best to destroy the place.  They voted for him knowing that.  Everyone knew it. 

To me, this insurance policy doesn't pay off, because it's suicide   Suicide by Indonesian.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 13, 2010 06:00 PM (Qp4DT)

177  And liberals breed better.

Mild disagreement. Maybe just nuance.

Rich urban liberals don't breed worth shit.

The political morlocks they feed and depend upon, however, breed like rabbits.

Posted by: Hey.Wheres.Barry at July 13, 2010 06:01 PM (hyP1j)

178

Only because most whites wouldn't stand for it. Being black means never having to say you're sorry....for hating and actively, publicly rooting against Whitey.

Oh, I agree. Why has this happened? I didn't happen overnight. It has been a long process. I'm kind of an old fart and can't put my finger on something that stands out. It's a myriad of things over many years. And here we are.

Posted by: Ronster at July 13, 2010 06:10 PM (nnNfA)

179 Ace, you are at your best when you do not let something go.

I miss those days.

Posted by: mesablue at July 13, 2010 06:39 PM (AUndp)

180 133 Perino is hotter. Here's your facts!

Posted by: gator at July 13, 2010 09:27 PM (aOKEC)

You know, tinyurl oughta be effing illegal under the "Don't Leave Effing Landmines Lying Around Disguised As Cotton Candy" Conventions of 1987, revised.

Posted by: Merovign, Strong On His Mountain at July 13, 2010 06:47 PM (bxiXv)

181 "It is starting to dawn on the private sector that their pensions and mutual funds and IRA's have taken a hit.  But, by cleverly taking over almost all the car companies, they assured the the UAW pensions would enjoy the same status as government worker pension which, someone said earlier are guaranteed by the right to tax.  Ergo, they will get the pensions  they are supposed to get, in tact and whole and the private sector employees maybe not so much? "

Can this be true?

Posted by: curious at July 13, 2010 07:09 PM (p302b)

182 Let's be honest:  if any Liberal Democrat were to be completely honest, he would never get elected.  Only the fact that some people take offense to being lied to prevents Liberal Democrats from just making the most obvious lies in the world.

A Liberal is someone who believes in an idea long after it has repeatedly been proven false.  That will never change.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 13, 2010 07:21 PM (eNxMU)

183 I would be remiss if I didn't point out that Charles Johnson used the technique not so long ago: Victor Davis Hanson posted a desultory item on his PajamasMedia blog that he once spent a pleasant day bike-riding with Chucky and that he wasn't prepared to label Chucky a nutjob from the few things he'd read on LGF recently.  Chucky trumpeted that as proof that he himself was no leftard moonbat.  Of course, since then, VDH has posted a number of very emphatic denunciations of Obama and warnings about Islamic terrorism, directly opposite of the new LGF dogma... but that leaves Chucky in the double-bind of choosing between denouncing VDH's views and keeping a connection to the last person on the right unwilling to call him a fruitcake.

Posted by: stuiec at July 13, 2010 07:39 PM (5NvX7)

184 There are a couple of things that bother me about Politifact:

1.  The no taxes pledge on people making less than $250,000 was not logged on the Obameter for a long time.  I don't remember seeing it until after the election.  This was a signature statement / promise that made it on the cover of Parade magazine and lots of other places well before the November.  It is promise #515.  I believe they finally put it up there well after it had become a very noticeable issue and been broken.

2.  How do they pick which things to debunk?  It appears that the quotes page is almost always full of Republicans saying arguably false statements and relatively few Democrats.  They don't even have the most recent tempest-in-a-teapot for Olbermann on the Abraham Lincoln.

This is why they are full of crap just like all the rest of the supposed fact checker sites.  Get a sheen of impartiality and then work like hell for one side.  Screw them.

Posted by: pwr at July 13, 2010 09:45 PM (4LWp5)

185 Most of us live in the world of free markets, where we can be fired for taking too long a break, or stealing pens from the office. Cause you know, it's not honest. In the world of large bureaucracy and nuance and committees, the world is much more gray and civilized. They wish that world for us as well, and if we only give them significantly more of our money, we can all live happily ever after; our lives improved, safer, cleaner. More nuanced and civilized. Less harsh and cold and alienating. More washing of each other's backs. Seriously. Can't you feel the love?

Posted by: WhiskeyJim at July 13, 2010 10:10 PM (8SkaJ)

186 They ain't "High Crimes and Misdemeanors," y'all.  Move on, already.

Them  boys was tryin' to get re-elected, and shizzle, yo.  Take it from the "First Black President" that just ran interference for a Kleagle at his funeral and hasn't had to pay the price this week - someone who got feminists and the rest of the Left to defend him for serial acts of outright rape, date rape, adultery exposure, witness tampering and/or egregious sexual harassment.  And also got a free pass on saying the nation's actual first (half) black President should be gettin' him and some other cracker some coffee and we just need to learn how to manipulate him.

P.S. - B - I want my props, pronto, or my First Battleaxe primaries you in '12 and I admit you bribed Sestak.  It's how we roll in the (D).

Posted by: Slicky Willy at July 13, 2010 10:45 PM (V3HUX)

187 Yes, this is like Whoopi Goldberg saying that Roman Polanski's conduct wasn't rape rape.

Posted by: eaglewingz08 at July 14, 2010 09:57 AM (dv8zz)

188 Or that Mel isn't racist-racist.

Posted by: Joe at July 14, 2010 12:46 PM (PIahf)

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