August 06, 2010
— LauraW Amnesty Through Policy Already In Effect
In an unprecedented move within the Department of Homeland Security, the detention and removal officers and agents responsible for and sworn to enforcing our nation's immigration laws issued an exhaustive, scathing letter simply titled "VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE IN ICE DIRECTOR JOHN MORTON AND ODPP ASSISTANT DIRECTOR PHYLLIS COVEN" on June 11, 2010. The letter, acquired through sources, provides a litany of examples of how ICE's mission is being skewed towards supporting an unflinching goal of amnesty by refusing to allow agents to do their job; allowing criminal aliens to roam free; depleting resources for key enforcement initiatives that preceded this administration; and misrepresenting facts and programs, demeaning the extent of the criminal alien problem and geared to support amnesty.
It's a bombshell. The agents document how their leadership are deliberately thwarting the core mission of the department.
Interestingly, ICE Director John Morton told the Washington Post, in regard to this letter and other interest groups that call for his resignation (apparently this is quite common for him), that such letters are just, "part of the territory here."
"Shut up," he explained.
READ THE WHOLE THING.
Thanks to Jazz at Food And Weather.
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Posted by: dblwmy at August 06, 2010 06:27 AM (U4m5q)
Posted by: steevy at August 06, 2010 06:27 AM (iZnPW)
Posted by: dfbaskwill at August 06, 2010 06:30 AM (ndlFj)
Posted by: The guy who makes obscure Bugs Bunny references at August 06, 2010 06:30 AM (PWj+8)
Posted by: Miss Fluffy McNutter at August 06, 2010 06:31 AM (xMSXs)
Posted by: alexthechick at August 06, 2010 06:33 AM (YBXMV)
Posted by: Bob at August 06, 2010 06:34 AM (rC5jC)
Can't get your crap through congress because of those pesky people who still try to do the will of the people. Well just bypass congress and do it on the sly.
Refuse to implement the law, obstruct the people who do try to implement the law.
Nixon never did had of this shit and he was the most "evil" president in history.
Impeach him now.
Posted by: Vic at August 06, 2010 06:34 AM (/jbAw)
Posted by: Captain Hate at August 06, 2010 06:36 AM (qPpkJ)
Posted by: maddogg at August 06, 2010 06:37 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: MFM at August 06, 2010 10:35 AM (MMb+Y)
I'll raise ya, Emma Watson New Pixie Haircut!
Posted by: MFM at August 06, 2010 06:37 AM (PWj+8)
Posted by: Mr. Dave at August 06, 2010 06:38 AM (pcJe3)
Posted by: George Bush at August 06, 2010 06:38 AM (EL+OC)
Posted by: steevy at August 06, 2010 06:39 AM (iZnPW)
Posted by: huerfano at August 06, 2010 06:39 AM (6Z05k)
Posted by: Mr. Dave at August 06, 2010 10:38 AM (pcJe3)
Pish-posh you'll bring on an attack of the vapors in this dreadful heat. Sit down and have a cool glass of sarsaparilla.
Posted by: Jane Austen at August 06, 2010 06:40 AM (PWj+8)
Question: are all the very public "F-U Mr. and Mrs. America" legislative initiatives of the Obama administration regime just diversionary tactics?
Perhaps their real pupose is to keep attention diverted from the slash and burn operations that Obama appointees are conducting inside our law-enforcement institutions! But how could they get away with so many such operations with investigative journalists constantly on the prowl for...
HAHAHAHA - sometimes I just crack myself up - you try to write sarcasm and it is so beyond parody you can't even finish!
Posted by: sherlock at August 06, 2010 06:42 AM (fKPuo)
Posted by: toby928
Someone's tryin' to bamboozle ya, give ya the ol' okey doke.
Posted by: Barry Obama at August 06, 2010 06:42 AM (6Z05k)
I love saying pish posh. It makes me feel all classy and shit.
Posted by: alexthechick at August 06, 2010 06:42 AM (YBXMV)
It should be no surprise that the Osama Obama regime is ignoring -- and thus violating -- immigration laws. It's a pattern of criminal behavior that began with illegal campaign contributions and has continued, unabated, since Jan. 20, 2009.
Vic is right. The only way this will be stopped is impeachment.
Does no one else see the pattern? What has the Traitor-in-Chief done that we don't yet know about?
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 06, 2010 06:43 AM (Ulu3i)
Posted by: MFM at August 06, 2010 10:40 AM (iZnPW)
Julia Roberts Says 'No' To Botox!
Posted by: MFM at August 06, 2010 06:44 AM (PWj+8)
"The letter, authored by ICE Union President Chris Crane, begins as follows, noting that all ICE union representatives have signed on to a unanimous "Vote of No Confidence" in ICE leadership:....."
They keep using this word "Union".
I don't think it means what they think it means.
Posted by: Inigo Montoya at August 06, 2010 06:44 AM (+q3dR)
Posted by: sherlock at August 06, 2010 06:45 AM (fKPuo)
Sheesh. Priorities, please.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 06, 2010 06:45 AM (UOM48)
"The letter, authored by ICE Union President Chris Crane, begins as follows, noting that all ICE union representatives have signed on to a unanimous "Vote of No Confidence" in ICE leadership:....."
They keep using this word "Union".
I don't think it means what they think it means.
Posted by: Inigo Montoya at August 06, 2010 10:44 AM (+q3dR)
Is Chris Crane, Denny's brother?
Posted by: Ludicrous Speed at August 06, 2010 06:46 AM (PWj+8)
Posted by: General Grant at August 06, 2010 10:44 AM (kcqZS)
Yeah, you won, but that does not change the unassailable truth that you, Sir, are indeed an asshole.
Posted by: General Lee at August 06, 2010 06:46 AM (OlN4e)
While actually doing your stated mission isn't "part of the territory here". Wonderful.
This isn't very good for ICE agent morale, which I imagine is partially the point.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 06, 2010 06:46 AM (9hSKh)
I'll raise ya, Emma Watson New Pixie Haircut!
That's no joking matter. It's painfully anti-"I'll be in my bunk." Now what seemingly endless spank-bank account will all the teenage nerds and creepy middle-aged nerds withdraw from, huh?
Posted by: shillelagh at August 06, 2010 06:46 AM (Oz4Bj)
Posted by: Samuel Adams at August 06, 2010 06:47 AM (nxUYP)
Posted by: John Edwards at August 06, 2010 06:50 AM (fKPuo)
I'll raise ya, Emma Watson New Pixie Haircut!
That's no joking matter. It's painfully anti-"I'll be in my bunk." Now what seemingly endless spank-bank account will all the teenage nerds and creepy middle-aged nerds withdraw from, huh?
Posted by: shillelagh at August 06, 2010 10:46 AM (Oz4Bj)
Taylor Hanson?
Posted by: The who just types without thinking at August 06, 2010 06:50 AM (PWj+8)
Posted by: General Lee at August 06, 2010 06:51 AM (OlN4e)
The lack of technical expertise and field expertise has resulted in a priority of providing bingo nights, dance lessons and hanging plants to criminals, instead of addressing safe and responsible detention reforms for non-criminal individuals and families. Unlike any other agency in the nation, ICE officers will be prevented from searching detainees housed in ICE facilities allowing weapons, drugs and other contraband into detention centers putting detainees, ICE officers and contract guards at risk.
Posted by: Tami at August 06, 2010 06:51 AM (VuLos)
When does Michelle the dog come back from Spain?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 06, 2010 06:51 AM (UOM48)
Initially JFK via an executive order. I think they have followed that up by a law though.
Posted by: Vic at August 06, 2010 06:53 AM (/jbAw)
When does Michelle the dog come back from Spain?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 06, 2010 10:51 AM (UOM4
Please, dogs are loyal, caring, trustworthy and true friends. Please don't associate them with the Beast.
Posted by: Ludicrous Speed at August 06, 2010 06:53 AM (PWj+8)
Posted by: Jim Lahey at August 06, 2010 06:53 AM (Vol3D)
And in other news, Drudge has a pic of Bo the dog going up the steps of Air Force Won.
When does Michelle the dog come back from Spain?
She was just out of the picture. Pissing on the tires.
Posted by: Mr. Dave at August 06, 2010 06:53 AM (pcJe3)
sock off.
Seriously, no disrespect to General Grant's memory. A fine commander, if a poor President.
Posted by: maddogg at August 06, 2010 06:56 AM (OlN4e)
What, me worry?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 06, 2010 06:57 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: dblwmy at August 06, 2010 06:58 AM (U4m5q)
-- Article shows PTB ignore laws, do as they please
-- Comments point this out, suggest laws and rules may not be useful in dealing with problem
-- Said posters get excoriated for noting the bloody obvious
Not in foulest of moods, but this gets predictable past a point
Posted by: DarkLordOfTheIntarWebs at August 06, 2010 06:59 AM (IkEhE)
Posted by: toby928 at August 06, 2010 07:01 AM (8/oOq)
Posted by: Ben at August 06, 2010 07:03 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: GarandFan at August 06, 2010 07:03 AM (XaWFq)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 06, 2010 07:03 AM (AZGON)
you Fick Sucks are ruining lauraws thread - FIFY
Posted by: hook 1, curl 2 at August 06, 2010 11:03 AM (uFokq)
Posted by: Ludicrous Speed at August 06, 2010 07:04 AM (PWj+8)
Oh, and jus' ignore that body in mah trunk.
Posted by: Basil Marceaux, goobernator at August 06, 2010 07:05 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: dblwmy at August 06, 2010 10:58 AM
If any such documents exist, and all of these directives haven't been verbal orders, it seems unlikely they'll ever be found.
If you think getting hold of a birth certificate was hard, wait 'til you try to penetrate the regime's Wall of Secrecy.
Even that little shit Assange couldn't get hold of these documents.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 06, 2010 07:05 AM (Ulu3i)
Posted by: General Grant at August 06, 2010 07:05 AM (kcqZS)
Posted by: DJIA at August 06, 2010 07:05 AM (yQWNf)
And yeah, I'm phoning it in this morning. The muse is not speaking. I'm sure it's because she's texting the Norns all the time now, curse whoever gave these entities Blackberries, no wonder the Axis Mundi is all askew.
Posted by: DarkLordOfTheIntarWebs at August 06, 2010 07:06 AM (IkEhE)
Posted by: toby928 at August 06, 2010 07:06 AM (8/oOq)
Posted by: Mr. Dave at August 06, 2010 07:06 AM (pcJe3)
ICE Director John Morton told the Washington Post, in regard to this letter and other interest groups that call for his resignation (apparently this is quite common for him), that such letters are just, "part of the territory here."
...move on....nothing to see here...please disperse...nothing to see here...
Posted by: Leslie Nielsen at August 06, 2010 07:07 AM (tm15w)
Posted by: steevy at August 06, 2010 07:07 AM (iZnPW)
Villains and c*cksuckers, - the whole lot of 'em.
Posted by: Fritz at August 06, 2010 07:10 AM (GwPRU)
Posted by: Mr. Dave at August 06, 2010 07:15 AM (pcJe3)
Posted by: denny crane at August 06, 2010 07:15 AM (I+7Zv)
Posted by: lauraw at August 06, 2010 07:16 AM (0jGaw)
Posted by: Gibbsy to a nodding MFM at August 06, 2010 07:18 AM (kbHJ6)
Posted by: Mr. Dave at August 06, 2010 07:20 AM (pcJe3)
compare this to the sympathetic fawning the press gave the State Department employees when they refused to take assignments in Iraq.
Bush/Rice caved, of course. It makes one wonder what Reagan would've done to those subordinates.
Posted by: hook 1, curl 2 at August 06, 2010 07:21 AM (uFokq)
Posted by: dblwmy at August 06, 2010 10:58 AM (U4m5q)
Maybe we can arrange to have them posted on WikiLeaks and kill two birds with one stone since if that happened you can be sure that little Julie will be found floating face down in the Chicago river by breakfast time.
Posted by: Nighhawk at August 06, 2010 07:21 AM (OtQXp)
Fucking. Criminal. Cocksuckers.
Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Pro Debate Squad, And Summoner Of Meteors. at August 06, 2010 07:21 AM (eCAn3)
Sock off.
It's like we can't go a day anymore without something new coming out about what this administration is doing to destroy the rule of law. Nov. 2012 can't come soon enough.
Posted by: Dunkirk at August 06, 2010 07:23 AM (kbHJ6)
Posted by: hook 1, curl 2 at August 06, 2010 11:21 AM (uFokq)"
Posted by: curious at August 06, 2010 07:24 AM (p302b)
Posted by: U. S. Grant at August 06, 2010 07:24 AM (eCAn3)
Posted by: toby928 at August 06, 2010 07:24 AM (8/oOq)
Posted by: denny crane at August 06, 2010 07:24 AM (I+7Zv)
Posted by: MJ at August 06, 2010 07:25 AM (BKOsZ)
Need to correct the dosage for the trolls, dammit.
Posted by: DarkLordOfTheIntarWebs at August 06, 2010 07:26 AM (IkEhE)
Of course, it may just be time to SUMMON THE FUCKIN METEORS!
Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Pro Debate Squad, And Summoner Of Meteors. at August 06, 2010 07:26 AM (eCAn3)
Posted by: maddogg at August 06, 2010 07:26 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: dananjcon at August 06, 2010 07:26 AM (pr+up)
Question is....after America finishes sucking Michelle's cock, can we put the steak back in the tube?
Posted by: gator at August 06, 2010 07:26 AM (aOKEC)
Posted by: denny crane at August 06, 2010 07:27 AM (VmtE9)
I wonder if the murder victims of that black man from CT will be charged with hate crimes & discrimination?
Posted by: hook 1, curl 2 at August 06, 2010 07:27 AM (uFokq)
Posted by: denny crane at August 06, 2010 11:27 AM (VmtE9)
A 3000% reduction.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at August 06, 2010 07:28 AM (5aa4z)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 06, 2010 07:28 AM (AZGON)
How long til other's in the rank and file of our governments agencies start to revolt and call out the utter negligence and malfeasance of these fuckwads in DC.
Hahahahahahahaha! As soon as all those America-loving, peace-loving, moderate Muslims living in the United States condemn the building of the terrorist mosque at Ground Zero.
Posted by: hook 1, curl 2 at August 06, 2010 07:29 AM (uFokq)
compare this to the sympathetic fawning the press gave the State Department employees when they refused to take assignments in Iraq. Bush/Rice caved, of course. It makes one wonder what Reagan would've done to those subordinates. --Posted by: hook 1, curl 2
No wonder, really. He'd assign CIA agents there to fill the official State Dept. positions.
Posted by: Reagan Conservative? at August 06, 2010 07:29 AM (H+LJc)
I wonder if the murder victims of that black man from CT will be charged with hate crimes & discrimination?
Didn't you hear? That poor victimized black man saw a drawing on a wall in the bathroom, cracker! What other choice did he have? He had to steal that beer and shoot up his place of employment. There simply was no other recourse for a black man in AmeriKKKa.
Posted by: gator at August 06, 2010 07:31 AM (aOKEC)
If it's "just part of the territory," pray tell, how many other unanimous letters of no confidence have you received, Director Morton? How many others of like attitude and tone?
Posted by: Jazz at August 06, 2010 07:32 AM (hnq5i)
Not only did he see a noose drawn on the bathroom wall, he overheard his coworkers discussing black ho's.
Posted by: hook 1, curl 2 at August 06, 2010 07:32 AM (uFokq)
The article there mentioned "large numbers of criminal aliens have been released back into their unsuspecting communities."
Sound familiar? No wonder so much of the Catholic Church's hierarchy wants to take the wrong side in this crisis. . . .
Posted by: logprof at August 06, 2010 07:34 AM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: that pederast Hannoran at August 06, 2010 07:37 AM (9B8os)
Not only did he see draw a noose drawn on the bathroom wall, he overheard his coworkers discussing black ho's.
Posted by: hook 1, curl 2 at August 06, 2010 11:32 AM (uFokq)
FIFY
Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Pro Debate Squad, And Summoner Of Meteors. at August 06, 2010 07:38 AM (eCAn3)
Posted by: Director of ICE at August 06, 2010 07:38 AM (xWGQr)
Posted by: David Frum at August 06, 2010 07:38 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: The ICEman Cometh at August 06, 2010 07:39 AM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: gatorez at August 06, 2010 07:40 AM (aOKEC)
re: toby's link above
That's awful. That's like telling someone he can't picket outside City Hall without identifying himself.
Posted by: hook 1, curl 2 at August 06, 2010 07:40 AM (uFokq)
Posted by: Jazz at August 06, 2010 11:32 AM (hnq5i)
This all fits nicely in to the trend of igonoring the will of the people. Just wait until the MSM gets wind of this stuff!!
//
Posted by: dananjcon at August 06, 2010 07:40 AM (pr+up)
Posted by: Director of ICE at August 06, 2010 11:38 AM (xWGQr)
Not until I get my hanging plant, bitch.
Posted by: Carlos 'the taco' Ramirez at August 06, 2010 07:40 AM (VuLos)
Posted by: curious at August 06, 2010 07:42 AM (p302b)
Once amnesty happens, it's all over. The next shoe to drop will be felons regaining the right to vote. I wonder which lever 99% of convicts will pull??
America was fun while it lasted, but all good things must come to a disaster.
Posted by: gator at August 06, 2010 07:42 AM (aOKEC)
Whooo arrre ewwe?
Posted by: toby928 at August 06, 2010 07:42 AM (8/oOq)
Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Pro Debate Squad, And Summoner Of Meteors. at August 06, 2010 07:43 AM (eCAn3)
And speaking of cannibals, Backwards and forwards lyrics for cannibals.
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 06, 2010 07:43 AM (xxgag)
States won't allow it. They'll go AZ2 if they're forced to take on that burden.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at August 06, 2010 07:44 AM (5aa4z)
Posted by: TrudyfromOntario at August 06, 2010 07:44 AM (MNTR7)
Posted by: Mr. Dave at August 06, 2010 07:44 AM (pcJe3)
Posted by: Tami at August 06, 2010 07:45 AM (VuLos)
Posted by: MJ at August 06, 2010 07:46 AM (BKOsZ)
I'm keepin' that 'un.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at August 06, 2010 07:46 AM (5aa4z)
Posted by: toby928 at August 06, 2010 07:47 AM (8/oOq)
Ignorance is bliss, Trudy.
You're better off being like the other canadians and bask in your socialist paradise while pleasantly mocking Americans.
Posted by: hook 1, curl 2 at August 06, 2010 07:48 AM (uFokq)
Posted by: Mr Pink at August 06, 2010 07:48 AM (oaxLL)
Posted by: curious at August 06, 2010 07:48 AM (p302b)
Posted by: martha at August 06, 2010 07:48 AM (kFsTd)
Much like AAs the immigrant community is very socially conservative. Deflecting the liberal wedge issues would be job one, gathering the votes through attractive social positions would be number 2.
Yeah but Mexicans come from a socialist nation and vote with their pocketbooks. They'll vote for pandering and handouts, which is the Dems, and frankly is probably who their Catholic priest told them to vote for anyway.
Posted by: that's just ignorant! at August 06, 2010 07:48 AM (9B8os)
Posted by: Mr. Dave at August 06, 2010 10:38 AM (pcJe3)
Our union does have its usefulness, like a lawyer, but mostly it obstructs, and gives the slackoffs cover to do whatever the hell they want. That's one reason I didn't go into management, I'd be pulling my hair out running into walls dealing with problem employees. My life is much less stressful this way. Oh, and the union is probably the main reason we haven't gotten rid of Saturday delivery yet. It's been encouraged to not be a priority for the Dhimmicrats. Got a talk this week saying that the PM General has been told by CONgress that it won't be taken up this year. Even though there's a subcommittee for Postal activities. Guess they're too damn busy with ICE activities.
Posted by: Bikermailman at August 06, 2010 07:49 AM (dIE9+)
It is the law abiding that is treated like the enemy, and the law breakers that gets the ruling classes sympathy!
Posted by: TrudyfromOntario at August 06, 2010 11:44 AM (MNTR7)
--I'm totally getting you there. It's hard to recall how many times I've had to pull over to get my car searched when crossing the border into ND. To be fair, a couple of times I've met the same agent (it's pretty much dumb luck if more than one lane is open) and she remembered me and let me through easily.
Posted by: The ICEman Cometh at August 06, 2010 07:50 AM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: MJ at August 06, 2010 07:50 AM (BKOsZ)
They're not socially conservative. These illegals are not attending mass on Sundays. They are at the car wash washing their cars.
Besides, they vote for whoever is putting food in their bellies.
Posted by: hook 1, curl 2 at August 06, 2010 07:51 AM (uFokq)
Posted by: curious at August 06, 2010 07:51 AM (p302b)
Posted by: MJ at August 06, 2010 11:46 AM
This may be the dumbest post ever posted here.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 06, 2010 07:51 AM (IQBsP)
Posted by: Mr. Barky at August 06, 2010 07:52 AM (qwK3S)
America was fun while it lasted, but all good things must come to a disaster. Posted by: gator at August 06, 2010 11:42 AM (aOKEC)
Hmmm. Sounds like a cue for Kratos!
Posted by: Miss Fluffy McNutter at August 06, 2010 07:52 AM (xMSXs)
Posted by: MJ at August 06, 2010 11:46 AM (BKOsZ)
Who has to mobilize them? Just get them registered, and ACORN will vote for them.
Posted by: Bikermailman at August 06, 2010 07:53 AM (dIE9+)
Posted by: MJ at August 06, 2010 11:46 AM
This may be the dumbest post ever posted here.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 06, 2010 11:51 AM (IQBsP)
--I agree. MJ needs to read some Heather Mac Donald and have some knowledge put thereunto.
Posted by: logprof at August 06, 2010 07:53 AM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: MJ at August 06, 2010 07:54 AM (BKOsZ)
Posted by: gator at August 06, 2010 07:54 AM (aOKEC)
Posted by: . at August 06, 2010 07:54 AM (p302b)
Fucking brilliant. The underpants Gnome model for winning elections.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 06, 2010 07:55 AM (IQBsP)
Posted by: MJ at August 06, 2010 07:56 AM (BKOsZ)
The cop on the phone was being very careful in his choice of words, curious.
Why?
So he wouldn't antagonize the shooter.
Posted by: hook 1, curl 2 at August 06, 2010 07:56 AM (uFokq)
-------------------------
That was my point. They are a write off group.
Posted by: MJ at August 06, 2010 11:54 AM (BKOsZ)
My point is that they won't be 'voting' in low numbers, there are millions of felons.
Posted by: Bikermailman at August 06, 2010 07:56 AM (dIE9+)
Well, well, well. Are you ready? I say, Are. You. Ready.
Gay Reparations.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 06, 2010 07:57 AM (yT8z7)
Posted by: Hamilton Burger at August 06, 2010 07:57 AM (NJ/IH)
If I answered the phone I woulda been like, "Are you fucking crazy, you sick fuck? Why did you shoot all those people? You're a dead man, muthafucka! A dead man!"
Posted by: hook 1, curl 2 at August 06, 2010 07:57 AM (uFokq)
Gosh, Trudy, we heartless Americans are sure rough on y'all up there in Maple-Leaf Land....
Unless things have changed considerably since the time I, with a Canadian wife, applied to take up residency in Canada, your country gave draft-dodgers preference over simple people like myself, who just wanted to live and work there.
I was told that my in-laws would have to take full financial responsibility for me forever, that I was considered unworthy because my French is limited (I wanted to live in Vancouver, BTW) and any job I applied for had to be rejected by all possible Canadians before I could be considered.
In short, I was made to feel as welcome as a bad case of Swine Flu.
Instead, my wife moved down here and we got her a green card. Quite legally and, despite the usual bureaucratic hassles, quite simple. She wasn't restricted in her job choices, either.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 06, 2010 07:57 AM (Ulu3i)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 06, 2010 07:58 AM (IQBsP)
How many stories were there when the illegals were protesting the AZ immigration law and carrying p-shopped posters of Jan Brewer as Hitler? I saw it once on Fox, but they didn't mention the poster. It was just part of the tape they were showing as they discussed the protests. Same old shit that will never change.
Posted by: Miss Fluffy McNutter at August 06, 2010 07:58 AM (xMSXs)
Posted by: MJ at August 06, 2010 07:58 AM (BKOsZ)
Why not go after the votes of amnestied-in former-illegals? Because the Republican Party is already enough like the Democrat Party.
Posted by: shillelagh at August 06, 2010 07:58 AM (Oz4Bj)
Posted by: MJ at August 06, 2010 11:46 AM
There is problem with theory and reality. in theory Latinos are conservative, socially and somewhat fiscally. One would expect they would vote republican.
However the same can be said of blacks. They tend to be extremely socially conservative, and moderate to liberal fiscally. And yet they vote 99 percent for democrats.
Rush points this out all time, 80 percent of the country lives their daily lives as conservatives, but they just don't know it or it doesn't translate to their voting.
Posted by: Ben at August 06, 2010 07:58 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: . at August 06, 2010 07:59 AM (p302b)
America was fun while it lasted, but all good things must come to a disaster. Posted by: gator at August 06, 2010 11:42 AM (aOKEC)
Hmmm. Sounds like a cue for Kratos!
Posted by: Miss Fluffy McNutter at August 06, 2010 11:52 AM (xMSXs)
In the end their will only be cheese sauce!
Posted by: horrible excuse for a Kratos sock at August 06, 2010 07:59 AM (pr+up)
MJ, what do you mean by go after them?
You mean pander to them? You mean put aside of core values and compete with the Democrats by promising them free shit?
Posted by: hook 1, curl 2 at August 06, 2010 08:00 AM (uFokq)
Posted by: MJ at August 06, 2010 11:56 AM (BKOsZ)
--Bush Jr. pandered like hell toward Hispanics and got, what, 40% of their votes?
The answer is to stop amnesty at all costs, at least until the number of potential new citizens goes down to six figures.
Posted by: logprof at August 06, 2010 08:00 AM (BP6Z1)
Who has to mobilize them? Just get them registered, and ACORN will vote for them.
Mobilization is easy. ACORN II will borrow buses from the SEIU and get 'em to the polling places.
As long as illegals and felons (is there a difference?) are convinced they'll get lots of neat free stuff from Osama Obama's stash, they'll be there. Voting beats working for them!
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 06, 2010 08:01 AM (Ulu3i)
Gay Reparations.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 06, 2010 11:57 AM (yT8z7)
Sweet Mother of Louis. I'd have never thought of that one. Although, when Boortz was going on yesterday, saying that the Prop 8 ruling won't affect anything, I was practically screaming (my customers looked at me askew) what he would think when his church is forced to perform gay marriage ceremonies.
Posted by: Bikermailman at August 06, 2010 08:02 AM (dIE9+)
Posted by: MJ at August 06, 2010 08:02 AM (BKOsZ)
Posted by: TrudyfromOntario at August 06, 2010 08:02 AM (MNTR7)
Posted by: MJ at August 06, 2010 08:04 AM (BKOsZ)
Since we are keeping up and reading posts and stuff.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 06, 2010 08:04 AM (IQBsP)
Try to keep up.
Posted by: MJ at August 06, 2010 11:58 AM (BKOsZ)
MJ if we can't get the jewish voters to vote conservative what makes you think you are gonna sway largely uneducated people who have spent the better part of their lives living under soscialism that freedom from big government is the way?
Posted by: horrible excuse for a Kratos sock at August 06, 2010 08:05 AM (pr+up)
Osama Obama is giving his daily inspirational message!
Everything is just peachy! All we have to do is give the Traitor-in-Chief and the princes and princesses in Congress full control over our lives!
And all our money. And all our great-grandchildren's money.
Posted by: J. Pinkerton Snoopington at August 06, 2010 08:05 AM (Ulu3i)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 06, 2010 08:05 AM (IQBsP)
--All true (I'm an American living in MB now on a work permit, waiting for my residency). I want to keep my USA citizenship forever, but if it ever gets to the point that I have to pay U.S. taxes in addition to my Canadian taxes, I may have to make a tough choice.
Posted by: logprof at August 06, 2010 08:05 AM (BP6Z1)
They might be more friendly to free enterprise in Canada, but not free speech.
We're headed down the same road with our silly Hate Crime laws.
Posted by: hook 1, curl 2 at August 06, 2010 08:05 AM (uFokq)
Posted by: MJ at August 06, 2010 08:06 AM (BKOsZ)
Well, well, well. Are you ready? I say, Are. You. Ready.
Gay Reparations.
I say we offer them 40 acres and mule, however i have a feeling they will turn down the 40 acres.
Posted by: Ben at August 06, 2010 08:06 AM (wuv1c)
As in maybe those huge "This project brought to you by Obamanation" signs at worksites?
Posted by: Have Blue at August 06, 2010 08:07 AM (mV+es)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 06, 2010 08:07 AM (IQBsP)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 06, 2010 11:57 AM (yT8z7)
"You know, I - gay people in this country have a long history of discrimination, of hatred, of murder," he continued.
"And that's just Jeffrey Dahmer."
I may have added that last part.
Posted by: toby928 at August 06, 2010 08:07 AM (8/oOq)
Posted by: Bikermailman at August 06, 2010 08:08 AM (dIE9+)
We should pander to progressives too. Can't go and write off an entire voting bloc.
that's different. Hispanics are going to be the biggest "minority" in america for the foreseeable future. I don't think we need to "pander" to them, but there is nothing wrong with appealing to their conservative values and explaining how they would be more at home in the Republican party.
that said, we shouldn't support a total amnesty
Posted by: Ben at August 06, 2010 08:08 AM (wuv1c)
I'm betting she lays off the fag jokes.
Posted by: Rocks at August 06, 2010 08:08 AM (xXyXP)
Posted by: TrudyfromOntario at August 06, 2010 08:09 AM (MNTR7)
Posted by: MJ at August 06, 2010 08:09 AM (BKOsZ)
Posted by: Abdul Alhazred at August 06, 2010 08:09 AM (VmtE9)
/In the end, there will be only chaos!
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 06, 2010 11:54 AM (9hSKh)
Ah, thank you! Even when civilization is crumbling all around us, closure is still important.
Posted by: Miss Fluffy McNutter at August 06, 2010 08:09 AM (xMSXs)
Posted by: MJ at August 06, 2010 08:10 AM (BKOsZ)
Posted by: MJ
As for amnesty, if it is granted there is a huge opportunity to pick up votes for conservatives. Much like AAs the immigrant community is very socially conservative. Deflecting the liberal wedge issues would be job one, gathering the votes through attractive social positions would be number 2.Indeed. Happy talk. Wishful thinking.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 06, 2010 08:10 AM (IQBsP)
Posted by: Miss Fluffy McNutter at August 06, 2010 08:10 AM (xMSXs)
The Muslim conquest of Christian Europe in 711, the CORDOBA Mosque will overlook ground zero in NYC.
And of course Obama would encourage the Jihadist Cordoba Project in NYC. Why would ANY politician get in the way of Jihad, given such HUGE BRIBES? PayPal doesn't trace donations, whether for the Muslim Cordoba Mosque or Obama's potus campaign. funded by Middle Eastern Islamists including Libya's Gadhafi admitted in speech recorded and broadcast by Al Jazeera, available on youtube until his election.
Posted by: Damn Kissinger at August 06, 2010 08:10 AM (H+LJc)
I will die before I need to prove to someone I'm not a racist.
We don't want to go down that road.
Posted by: hook 1, curl 2 at August 06, 2010 08:11 AM (uFokq)
yeah it worked like a charm when Reagan did it.
Posted by: Rocks at August 06, 2010 08:11 AM (xXyXP)
--I agree, but the answer is to defend (fiscally) conservative, small-government principles articulately and unabashedly. Recruit bright and truly conservative Hispanics like Rubio. But no selling out, especially on the amnesty issue.
Posted by: logprof at August 06, 2010 08:13 AM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 06, 2010 08:13 AM (yT8z7)
Posted by: logprof at August 06, 2010 12:05 PM (BP6Z1)
You could give up Canadian citizenship. it will make it easier to get back into Canada and you also become a protected class if you ever go back. WIN-WIN!
Posted by: Rocks at August 06, 2010 08:14 AM (xXyXP)
Much like AAs the immigrant community is very socially conservative.
Wrong. What a fallacy. I could tell you some stories....
Posted by: gator at August 06, 2010 08:14 AM (aOKEC)
You're USA citizenship is for sale to the highest bidder? Marvelous.
Posted by: polynikes at August 06, 2010 12:12 PM (m2CN7)
-- 'snot what I meant. In any event, it's purely hypothetical for at least 5 1/2 years.
Posted by: logprof at August 06, 2010 08:15 AM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: joncelli at August 06, 2010 08:15 AM (RD7QR)
I am not sure how "illegal" translates to "conservative" or "independent."
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 06, 2010 08:15 AM (IQBsP)
Mexico City, Mexico, Aug 5, 2010 / 05:56 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- Despite heavy opposition from various organizations defending traditional marriage, Mexico’s Supreme Court ruled Thursday that same-sex “marriage” in the country's capital city is constitutional.
According to the Associated Press, the court's justices acknowledged that while the constitution protects the family, it does not define what a "family" is.
The 8-2 vote went against an appeal by Mexico's attorney general challenging the constitutionality of the city's law allowing gay “marriage.” The law went into effect on March 4 of this year.
Next Monday the court will debate whether the law applies to the rest of the country and whether it includes the right to adoption.Posted by: Tami at August 06, 2010 08:16 AM (VuLos)
Why isn't Bobby Jindal getting any credit for cleaning up the oil and protecting his state's shores?
I know why.
The media is racist.
Posted by: hook 1, curl 2 at August 06, 2010 08:17 AM (uFokq)
Wrong. What a fallacy. I could tell you some stories....
Posted by: gator at August 06, 2010 12:14 PM (aOKEC)
--Yup. I'm sure plugging in "Heather Mac Donald Mexican immigrant illegitimacy" will get someone all the articles he needs to be filled in.
Posted by: logprof at August 06, 2010 08:17 AM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: MJ at August 06, 2010 08:17 AM (BKOsZ)
Posted by: CanaMexiMerica at August 06, 2010 08:18 AM (pr+up)
Posted by: Jean at August 06, 2010 08:18 AM (y8mLK)
Posted by: logprof at August 06, 2010 12:13 PM (BP6Z1
No argument from me.
Posted by: Bikermailman at August 06, 2010 08:18 AM (dIE9+)
I should add that I knew a large number of Canadians living in Southern California when I was married to the Canadianess....
Work permits? Green cards? Don't make me laugh.
The only thing U.S. border agents questioned when my wife and I brought her stuff down from BC was her car, which was not a U.S.-specification model. We took it back up to Canada and left it there....
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 06, 2010 08:18 AM (Ulu3i)
A very annoyed caller on Beck this morning.....wanted to know why Bloomberg is spending his private money to lobby against the second amendment and yet brings out all the stops for the religious freedom amendment....the caller felt hypocrite was in order.
Posted by: . at August 06, 2010 08:19 AM (p302b)
Rush points this out all time, 80 percent of the country lives their daily lives as conservatives, but they just don't know it or it doesn't translate to their voting.
Posted by: Ben at August 06, 2010 11:58 AM (wuv1c)
In what sense could this possibly be true? Certainly more than 20% of the country is in debt; more than that is on assisstance or takes in more than they pay. What's the unwed birth rate among all these conservatives?
Conservatism = taking responsibility for yourself, and I think we're no where near 80% there.
Posted by: Randy at August 06, 2010 08:20 AM (zQKSr)
Posted by: Cincinnatus at August 06, 2010 08:20 AM (TGmQa)
glad to hear that as It pains me when conservative thinking people talk about renouncing their US citizenship instead of fighting for what they believe to the end. It especially pains me if its based on financial considerations.
Posted by: polynikes at August 06, 2010 12:17 PM (m2CN7)
--We'll it's not purely financial: the financial angle arises from the poor social reasons. (Politicians who tout being fiscally conservative while being socially lliberal are ultimately liars, since socially liberal policies and behaviors fatten government expenditures.) I would probably just renew my passport one more time, then simply stop filing U.S. tax returns. It's a bullshit policy anyway.
Posted by: logprof at August 06, 2010 08:21 AM (BP6Z1)
But first senor, you will blow me.
Posted by: Mexican Illegal Immigrants at August 06, 2010 08:21 AM (iYbLN)
Posted by: Jean at August 06, 2010 12:18 PM (y8mLK)"
I wonder if being a juror is the same as being a CA voter. I've heard two talking heads this morning say that "this will be the second governor of that state sent to jail" and then go on to discuss what can be done. Wouldn't that be considered jury tampering by the MSM?
Posted by: . at August 06, 2010 08:22 AM (p302b)
The inner city is just a bastion of conservative citizenry. The felons can't wait to get the vote so they can put some Tea Party candidates in office. Those folks sneaking/running across the border want the rule of law to be enforced and care not one bit for identity politics.
Nailed it.
Posted by: gator at August 06, 2010 08:22 AM (aOKEC)
Posted by: Miss Fluffy McNutter at August 06, 2010 08:23 AM (xMSXs)
Republicans have pandered to the Hispanic vote for the past 12 years and yet consistently they vote 75% for Dems. While true the Southern FL Hispanics tend to vote more evenly the rest do not.
The overwhelming majority of the Hispanics coming over the border with Mexico now are uneducated, poor, and natural voting blocs for the Dems. Within one generation they largely become welfare drones living in the inner city.
There is a reason the Dems are always behind these amnesty plots. Most of us here know this shit so you are going to have a hard sell trying to push this crap.
Posted by: Vic at August 06, 2010 08:25 AM (/jbAw)
Posted by: Potential Republican Voter at August 06, 2010 08:26 AM (VmtE9)
Posted by: MJ at August 06, 2010 08:27 AM (BKOsZ)
One generation is about how long their social conservatism lasts, as well. The anchor baby generation does not carry the same social conservatism as their parents.
Posted by: Miss Fluffy McNutter at August 06, 2010 08:27 AM (xMSXs)
In my experience, the inner city I lived in was only conservative on Sunday morning/afternoon. They talked a great game about values, religion, etc. Rest of the time? Drunk, high, didn't work, babies with many different partners out of wedlock, theft was rampant, violence was constant, and no one would talk to the enemy cops. And, oh yeah, they hated cracker ass crackas.
Sound like your conservative grandma?
And, yes, I'm generalizing. I denounce myself.
Posted by: gator at August 06, 2010 08:31 AM (aOKEC)
glad to hear that as It pains me when conservative thinking people talk about renouncing their US citizenship instead of fighting for what they believe to the end. It especially pains me if its based on financial considerations.
Posted by: polynikes at August 06, 2010 12:17 PM (m2CN7)
The financial considerations, aka tax poicy, aka redistributionist goals is a measurement of the overall socialist bent of the country. I see it as a valid measure, though not the only, and personally I don't see anywhere better.
Posted by: Randy at August 06, 2010 08:37 AM (zQKSr)
You can't generalize Hispanic votes.
Cuban, Mexican, and Puerto Ricans only sometimes are similar in political slant, education, language, or interests. The old educated Cuban families who wisely took off when Castro was in the mountains (hated by Democrats for forty years) are nothing like the later arrivals from Cuban prisons; like Mexicans who come as pack mules for drugs versus generational agricultural-ranching migrants who've become Americanized by contact.
Puerto Ricans subdivide along territory, statehood, indpendence lines. The independence folks are loved by the Left (see pardons for terrorism) despite the nitpicking little problem with indpendence losing a handful of major referendums.
Puerto Rican immigrants are nearly always bilingual (and born as American citizens: don't forget that). Cubans and Mexicans less so (and born as citizens of other nations).
It goes beyond that into cultural stuff I see from the outside. If you want to win Central Florida, don't screw it up.
Posted by: Beagle at August 06, 2010 08:49 AM (sOtz/)
???? Puerto Ricans are NOT immigrants or illegals sneaking across the border and really have no point in this debate.
Posted by: Vic at August 06, 2010 08:59 AM (/jbAw)
Remember the stink about me preparing investigations and that other stink about Congressional personnel doubling (actually reapportioning) when the Congress flips from D to R? Harry Reid ain't smelled nothin' yet. His peers will smell what I'm cookin'.
Posted by: Darrell Issa - Ranking Member of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform at August 06, 2010 09:15 AM (swuwV)
Puerto Ricans are NOT immigrants or illegals sneaking across the border and really have no point in this debate.
That's the point I was trying to make. There is no monolithic "Hispanic vote" in reality. But the Democrats like to pretend there is, and that Dems are the only ones who can appeal to the "Hispanic vote," primarily through amnesty and sympathy for far-left radical groups like La Raza or the FALN.
The Republicans should refuse to generalize along ethnic or racial lines when talking about policy.
When Dems threaten with the "Hispanic vote" they are using it as a proxy for the illegal immigrant vote.
Posted by: Beagle at August 06, 2010 09:25 AM (sOtz/)
They should also say the same thing to the elected politicians like the ME sisters. Violate these principles too often and we will demand you remove the R after your name.
Posted by: Vic at August 06, 2010 09:51 AM (/jbAw)
This kind of stuff makes me wonder when there is going to be a mutiny by the rank and file of some governmental organization against their leaders. This is coming closer to it.
Posted by: Arkroyal at August 06, 2010 03:37 PM (twSOj)
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