1 New State Slogan: Oregon.  Now 75% dumber than Seattle!

2 Measure 67 calls for an increase in the state's minimum corporate income tax, currently $10 a year

Surely shome mishtake?

3 This is going to have the same effect as David Paterson's tax increases in New York state, which were also targeted at high-income earners.

Expect to see a bunch of people pick up stakes and move elsewhere, significantly shrinking the amount of people paying for the services used by the rest of the state.

4 Class warfare and cluelessness about basic economics...bulwarks of the left's platform.

and imposes a tax on gross revenues for corporations that do not report a profit

That'll teach those greedy corporation to uhh, not make a profit!

5

Liberals never quite understand that people with means won't sit around on their asses while the state confiscates ever increasing amounts of their money and that companies don't actually pay taxes but instead pass them on either through higher costs or savings like firing people. how the real world works.

Fixed.

6 I wouldn't completely blame this on the voters. I'm sure those in favor of the increase ran ads constantly telling the voters if they didn't increase taxes all the police and fireman would be laid off and anarchy would rule. Typical tactic.

Of course, state administrators are never on the chopping block.

7 Didn't Maryland try this? Only to lose all their rich people?

8
The left will never understand than when you punish something for being successful, that success will dry up - along with jobs.

9 Read Measure 67, guess it's not a mistake.

10 Gee, it's almost as if a bunch of transplanted Californians took part in that vote.

11
..and just when we thought health care was dead!

Progressives in the House send a letter to Senator Reid begging him to proggie-on-up.

House progressives organizing to rescue health care reform are pressuring their Senate counterparts to go back to the provision that has most energized the party and a majority of Americans throughout the debate:
THE PUBLIC OPTION

Two House freshmen, Reps. Chellie Pingree (D-Maine) and Jared Polis (D-Colo.), circulated a letter, looking for signatures, that will be delivered to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) on Thursday on behalf of the plan, Polis told HuffPost.


A majority of Americans?  spin spin spin ....lie lie lie.

Colorado needs a Scott Brown to run against uber-fake/uber-leftwinger Jared Polis(D).
 

12 The states without state income tax:

Alaska
New Hampshire
Tennessee
Florida
South Dakota
Washington
Nevada
Texas
Wyoming

13 Way to go guys.  Keep f***in' that chicken golden goose.

14

Paying more taxes if patriotic.*

Sherrif Joe

* - (limousine liberals and union members are exempt from this statement and any tax increases)

15 I especially like the idea of taxing corporations that didn't make a profit. I see small businesses all across the state laying off employees or even folding; and clueless lefties populists blaming said businesses for their "Greed."

That is some weapons grade stupid they have up there.

16

Screw those fatcats who keep the little man down.  Make them pay, the greedy bast...

What, you're laying me off and moving to Arizona?  Corporations have no loyalty to their employees anymore.

17 Who would have guessed that Unicorns eat money?
Face it people, there's no such thing as free Skittles.

18 Oregon unemployment is 11% as of the December 2009 statistics released recently.

Expect that number to go up as businesses flee the state because of an increasingly hostile environment.

19

To whomever wrote this post(no name)

you forgot the obvious 3rd option

You will see, like New York City, the story of "the rich" either moving out of the area entirely, or buying homes in low tax states like florida or texas and claiming residency there.

20 I like how these idiots think it's "hard work" to raise taxes, when in fact figuring out how to run their shitty bloated programs more efficiently would be actual real "hard work".

21

Elections here are by mailed ballot only. Tuesday was the last day ballots could be cast.

Gee, I wonder why that would be. Not because extra mailed ballots are "found", or inconvient ones lost.

22 Taxing revenues?  Are these people fucking stupid?

23 Here is a site that lists the total tax burden in each state:

http://tinyurl.com/47hzka

24 The states without state income tax:

Tennessee

Posted by: NJConservative at January 27, 2010 11:34 AM (/Ywwg)

Are there any Tenn Morons here? What is Tenn like, seriously. Would you recommend moving there?

25

Measure 67 calls for an increase in the state's minimum corporate income tax, currently $10 a year, and imposes a tax on gross revenues for corporations that do not report a profit.

 

I missed that part. You can add the 4th prediction of countless businesses going under too. To not make a profit is bad enough, to then be taxed on top of that is nothing short of destruction of the business.  I bet companies that run on small margins will be out of business in no time, specifically the smaller logging businesses. The show AX Men will become Unemployment Line Men.

26 You're surprised that people voted to tax someone else? Didn't some famous and French  guy warn us about that.

27 We did something similarly stupid here in Taxachusetts back in Nov 2008. There was a ballot initiative to repeal the state's income tax. It was voted down, 2 to 1. Last year, when the state budget was looking thin, the overwhelmingly Democratic state legislature increased the sales tax from 5% to 6.25%. The scope of the sales tax was increased, also. Most notably, it was added to alcohol sales. Previously, alcohol has no sales tax, just an excise tax. Consumers now get to pay sales tax on that excise tax. New Hampshire said, 'Thank you!' This was a big factor in the special election last week.

28 Oregon rests on the bottom of the liberal slime pit and represents nothing other than itself. Obviously, the majority of its residents are either completely brain washed or totally stupid,

29

Oregon is for pussies.  When we cross the border into Oregon, we always forget that you're not allowed to pump your own gas there.  My husband and I feel like Bonnie and Clyde, trying to top off the tank before the kid working the service station can catch us.

Oh, and the name "Oregon" . . . comes from an aboriginal phrase meaning "River of Slaves."   Oregon was the place other tribes came to purchase their, uh, workforce.  Before the evil white man, even.

Now that the gov'tment can confiscate more of their earnings, it's once again a river of slaves.

30

Elections here are by mailed ballot only. Tuesday was the last day ballots could be cast.

Gee, I wonder why that would be. Not because extra mailed ballots are "found", or inconvient ones lost.

 

Wow really? Imagine if they had a ballot concerning making pay cuts to the United State Postal Service. You don't think that ballots from conservative towns would be lost in the mail do you? Talk about a recipe for fraud, corruption and disenfranchisment

31 How secure are the mail in ballots? I suspect that makes fraud much easier.

Oregon has assisted suicide, now they have economic suicide.

32 America is stuck on stupid.

33
it's worked out so well for NY

34 Come to Texas is you're a high earner. If you're just some neck-tattoo'd jagoff from Portland don't bother.

35 Are there any Tenn Morons here? What is Tenn like, seriously. Would you recommend moving there?

I dunno about the rest of the state, but in eastern TN (Chatanooga area) it rains almost as much as in Seattle.

36 Taxing revenues?  Are these people fucking stupid?

That's rhetorical, right?

37

Behold the new progressive "bait and switch".

1. Introduce legislation that places an undue burden on businesses.

2. Watch as tax revenues decline while businesses relocate to friendlier states (or countries) leaving a trail of unemployment in their wake.

3. Blame businesses for the reduced tax revenue!

If'n that there ain't progresss, I don't know what is.

38 Lefties like to joke that Republicans have a mental illness. I seriously assert that Lefties are suicidal.

39

They DID as Commiefornia voters to raise sales taxes 1 cent. They granted it temporarly.

...reciepts went down...

bwahahahaaa!

40 The states without state income tax: New Hampshire New Hampshire has no sales tax & low taxes on gasoline, cigarettes & alcohol. Massholes have been going north to shop for years.

41 Massachusetts voted down a ballot initiative to repeal the state income tax-  and by a 2 to 1 margin.  People Democrats are stupid.

42

I know people in the north end of the state (above Redding) who drive to Medford for big ticket item purchases, as OR had no sales tax. However, this initiative amounts to a hidden sales tax, as businesses pass on the costs to consumers.

43 Does measure 67 make a distinction between non-profits that sometimes make nice profits, that they are forced to shed in some creative ways, and struggling businesses? If they are targeting non-profits then I don't mind so much, since so many of those seems to be borderline scams.

44 imposes a tax on gross revenues for corporations that do not report a profit.

As said above, just needs repeated, a tax on the top line?  This is bat scat crazy.  Does this include S-corps, where the owner pays the taxes personally?  Why not just pass a law where business is illegal?

45 New Hampshire has no sales tax & low taxes on gasoline, cigarettes & alcohol. Massholes have been going north to shop for years.

We've also been going north to live. Which is why I don't think NH will have no income tax or sales tax very much longer.

46 Truman, how is the sales tax in Rhode Island?

47

#17 Unicorns eat money and shit skittles...wow.

I've been finding skittle piles on lawns for years and eating them. I think that I'll stop now.

48

The states without state income tax:

In fairness, Oregon *has*, or perhaps I should say *had* no sales taxes. But hiking taxes on business amounts to one.

Oregon also has lower gasoline taxes than "Caliphony", where I live. However, the pump prices are about the same, because of a "make work" law there that forbids self-service filling stations.

49

Oregon.  -We aren't as crazy as California, but we're trying.

We're trying.

50 Hilarity will ensue.

What dickwits.

51 Truman, how is the sales tax in Rhode Island?

7%

52 You know what operate under razor thin margins?  Breweries and Vineyards.

Hope Oregon doesn't mind seeing it's "cool" industries suffer.

53

Hey Oregon:

Texas. Open for business. Come on down!

54

I'll bet there are a thousand examples like this:

Washington - no income tax.   Idaho - low sales tax.

Live in Eastern Washington and shop the Idaho panhandle.

But taxes don't shape behavior do they now?

55 next step: introduce a sales tax, starting really low, like 1%, and it's for the children, so it'll get passed. from there it goes up and up and up to around 10%. there used to be lots of bumper stickers up there that said 'don't californicate oregon' but it looks like they done californicated themselves. silver lining: fewer californians moving up there. cheers! welcome to economic misery, stupid tree humping hippies.

56 Oh, shit, here they come again...

57

In PA we have 3% Income tax, which is more than I want to pay, but I guess isn't too bad compared with other states.

Also sales tax is 7%

58

The people of Oregon might want to ask their neighbors to the south in California how the idea of taxing your way to prosperity works out in the end.

the people of Baltimore might ask why the Colts left for Indianapolis before midnight. they probably think it's because Bob Irsay was an asshole. the real reason is he escaped a special tax the legislature of supergeniuses had approved. In the end, Maryland didn't get the tax money, because there was no longer an entity called the Baltimore Colts by the time the the tax became law, and they ended up giving tax money to Art Modell to move the Cleveland Browns after 20 years of no team or taxes collected on NFL football.

59

silver lining: fewer californians moving up there. cheers! welcome to economic misery, stupid tree humping hippies.

Like CA, OR leftism is actually quite concentrated. Two atomic bombs - one on downtown Portland, one on Eugene - would make OR a solidly patriot state. Kim Jong Il, pudgy pygmy, are you there? (I keed, I keed).

60 A few more fearless predictions,

Nevada is going to get some more residents.

Nike will move it's HQ within five years.  Any corporation that can move, WILL.  Unemployment will soar.

A gross receipts tax is a killer for a public company.
 
The revenue from these taxes will NOT cover the deficient and Obama and the rest of the nation will be asked to bail them out.

61

But taxes don't shape behavior do they now?

Social engineering comes to mind. In LeftThot that amounts to eating your young because you're hungry.

62 With mail in ballots, ACORN is hitting Stamps.com really hard!

What a joke.  A mail in ballot for the entire state.  Oregon deserves whatever they vote for.

63 But taxes don't shape behavior do they now? Ask me in November.

64 Smartest thing the gov. of Washinton state could have done is thrown out a welcome mat to all the evil rich in Oregon.  Did she do that, uh, no.  She praised the Oregon voters who had the courage to do what was needed.  Further put the brakes on Oregons economy.

65 But taxes don't shape behavior do they now?

On when Lefties say they do, like gasoline or tobacco taxes.  Other ones have zero behavioral effects, yesireebob.

66 Seven states have no state income tax: Alaska, Florida, Nevada, South Dakota, Texas, Washington and Wyoming. Two others, New Hampshire and Tennessee, tax only dividend and interest income.

67

Hopefully, all this new tax money will be used to teach economics at Oregon's schools. If you aren't making a profit, how do these fine public servants expect a corporation to pay additional taxes?

Posted by: Mallamutt at January 27, 2010 11:36 AM (V9SYy)

I don't know how much accounting you can do to hide a profit, but it would seem to me that a corporation wouldn't want to fudge that, given pressure from investors.

But I've said it before and I'll say it again: If you want to pass a tax increase that will ensure economic growth, there's only one way to do it: Tax the lawyers.

68 The people of Oregon might want to ask their neighbors to the south in California how the idea of taxing your way to prosperity works out in the end.
A lot of these idiots a California expatriates. They fuck up their own state, then move away in order to fuck up someone else's. Same thing has happened in Washington and Nevada.

69 C'mon, maaaan! I just need one more fix. Just a little somethin to get me through this rough patch.

I swear after this one I'm done. Just gimme that twenty. Just this one time, maaaan. Next week, I'm going straight. Gonna get me a job, too.

70 Gee, I wonder why Rush moved from bastion of New York to a backwards state like Florida. Did he just crave the beaches?

71 re: 61 whatever happened to the neutron bomb anyway? that always sounded like such a great idea

72 I lived in Moscow-On-The-Willamette Portland for nigh a dozen years. This is not surprising in the least. Socialistic idiots.

73 "Passage of these measures means we keep core services of education, health care and public safety that Oregon families, businesses, and communities count on,"

Public-funded assisted suicide is just that important.

74

Social engineering comes to mind. In LeftThot that amounts to eating your young because you're hungry.

Posted by: Agnostica

You are probably right, Agnostica.   BTW I wouldn't care if the left eats their own young . . . they shouldn't be reproducing anyway.  But Obama and other leftists are eating MY young, devouring their income and destroying their freedom before they have even graduated high school. 

75 When these tax increases occur what I think of is the scene in "Boondock Saints" where Billy Connelly grabs the little girl's chin and says "You must watch.  It will all be over soon."  They then execute the mob boss.

The people must suffer for their choices to raise taxes.  You can warn them.  You can sound the alarm.  You can be the first guy to hop on his horse and warn everyone that the British are coming.  But in the end you need either major street credibility on the subject or the people just have to take the pain of their choices.

76

>> Measure 66 increases Oregon's personal-income-tax rate by two percentage points for households earning over $250,000 a year.

 

I'm shocked that a majority of state voters would support such a thing.

77

For the first time in my adult life, I am ashamed to live in Oregon.

I was born here and lived here for 51 yrears.  I don't want to move, yet I am a self employed small business owner who needs a healthy economy to survive for the long term.

Portland and Eugene are now more progressive than S.F. and they're proud of it. 

This was pushed by the Government employees unions (mainly teachers) and the SEIU.

Can you imagine what it will do to business having to pay tax on their gross receipts rather than net?  Oregon already has one of the highest unemployment rates in the country.  After this, I fear we will have our own depression here.

78 This state has been stuck on fuckin stupid for years......now it's moving to full on retard. The economy sucks like Linda Lovelace on steroids and this new tax will kill any hope for a recovery.

79 78

>> Measure 66 increases Oregon's personal-income-tax rate by two percentage points for households earning over $250,000 a year.

 I'm shocked that a majority of state voters would support such a thing.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at January 27, 2010 12:11 PM (WvXvd)

I'm not. The majority of voters figure they'll never earn that much. If we do get hyperinflation, though, it will turn out to be a real bite in the ass for a lot of them, though.

I do love irony.

80

I'm shocked that a majority of state voters would support such a thing.      Posted by: Dave in Texas at January 27, 2010 12:11 PM (WvXvd)

If you saw these fuckwits you wouldn't be, trust me!

81 It's for the children.  Well, at least it's for the teachers of the children.  Ok, it's for shoring up the pensions of the teachers of the children.  You do know that ensuring that the teachers in our district are able to retire at age 55 (seriously) is a sacred bond between taxpayer and leech teacher that must not be broken.

82

@70:   The people of Oregon might want to ask their neighbors to the south in California how the idea of taxing your way to prosperity works out in the end.
A lot of these idiots a California expatriates. They fuck up their own state, then move away. . .

If leftists just stayed put and crapped in their own beds, but stayed there, I wouldn't have such a problem with them.  But they want to feel good, while they screw up a place, then move on to destroy another conservative town later.  New rule:  if you vote Democratic/Socialist - you have to stay put in the town or county in which you cast that vote.

83 Was it Oregon or Portland that funded that light rail system that has almost no riders?

84

69

Hopefully, all this new tax money will be used to teach economics at Oregon's schools. If you aren't making a profit, how do these fine public servants expect a corporation to pay additional taxes?

Posted by: Mallamutt at January 27, 2010 11:36 AM (V9SYy)

 

That's the problem,  they don't have to make a profit with this tax because they're taxed on their gross.  You can actually lose money and still be required to pay the state.

85 Needless to say, economist will be surprised by unexpected declines in tax revenue and jobs.

86 $733M shortfall.  Call me when you get to $20B.

87 Fuck me sideways with a pineapple! I'm surrounded by idiots in this state. And in my county, both measures passed by 65% (!) which means the stupidity is highly concentrated in this area.

And I'll bet most of the 65% believe that nothing will change as a result, and that unemployment will not continue to rise.

88 Oregon unemployment is 11% as of the December 2009 statistics released recently.

Tell me about it. I've been funemployed since last May.

89 Sadly, I'm fairly certain how two friends of mine in Corvalis voted/would have voted.

90

whatever happened to the neutron bomb anyway? that always sounded like such a great idea

I am convinced that the neutron bomb, invented at Lawrence Labs (UC Berkeley) was inspired by looking at the town. Lots of pretty buildings, just take away the people.

91 Way to go guys.  Keep f***in' that chicken golden goose.

There's no golden goose here, pal. He left he state years ago, torn, bleeding, and cryng for lube.

92 I thibnk the left should take heart and run in 2010 with the slogan "Let's raise taxes sky high!"

93 Hamilton, I'm with you man. Moved up here for school, love the area and the people, but this might make things completely unteneble. These measures were pushed, hard, by the usual suspects who told us that the alternative was schools shutting down etc. The big bugbear they used around where I live was tuition hikes. That mobilized ALL the dumb college kids (there's been a HUGE campaign all across the school, pushed by the College Democrats) and the gullible ones who ought to know better.

I left my job last May to push through with school and because it looked like I was on the chopping block anyway, and at this point it doesn't look like there's going to be much for me to go back to once I'm done. I'm starting to think my options are going to be either move to Texas like I'd originally planned, or further north to WA or AK. Shame, really. I came north in part to ESCAPE CA, looks like I just bought myself an all too brief reprieve.

94 Oregon is for pussies.  When we cross the border into Oregon, we always forget that you're not allowed to pump your own gas there.

And what's hilarious about this stupid law is that they claim it's for "safety" reasons. Like you're going to, what, accidentally stick the gas nozzle up your own ass?

95 Oregon represe'en!

The campaign against was called Oregonians agaisnt job killing taxes, and that is EXACTLY what these are.  The way they got passed was because of the current $10 min corp tax, and the new $250,000/couple threshold.

Those things are simply hard to defend against in an extremely bad economy. 

Our unemployment is consistently second only to Michigan, and our industrial base has already been gutted.  The rest are going to flee with all due haste.

Oregon, it's Michigan with prettier scenery.

Hopefully this keeps the Californians out at least.

96 New thought, after watching Ax Men, the hippies found a way to kill off the logging companies?

97 I did my part, and I'm not going anywhere, but these passing mean that Oregon is going to stay at or near the bottom of economic growth even if we do recover as a nation. 

I'm living in Ed Schultz's studio!

98 Who needs an industry base?  We've got wine AND beer and COMING SOON all the gangja you can smoke, bro!  Plus, we've still got these bitchin' lofts available.  You can totally do your Web 2.0 development there.

99 Oregon voters approved two special tax measures Tuesday designed to close a $733 million state budget gap.

Gee could that be because their fabulous medical care for everyone program is draining money out faster than it can be replaced?

The people of Oregon are about to discover what NYC did.  Wealthy people ARE MOBILE.

100 Logging's been dead since the spotted own bullshit in the 1990s.

That was the last real gasp for a resource economy.  What I wonder is how the fuck can farms even stay in business with a gross receipts tax?

Maybe we can fix it some during the special session next month, but with those margins on the vote, I doubt it.

101 OWL, not own

102

And what's hilarious about this stupid law is that they claim it's for "safety" reasons. Like you're going to, what, accidentally stick the gas nozzle up your own ass?

When I drive to any other state, I normally rejoice at the much lower gas taxes and prices, but not OR. It's just as bad as CA.

 

103 Muse, I remember you as being in the Valley, right?  Where you at Hamilton?

104
As an Oregonian, I can honestly say: Oh Fuck.

This was a HUGE Union/ Public employee pay raise, plain & simple.

We are at 11.5% unemployment. Just wait until the tax takes effect.

14%?  17%?

Even the lib newspapers in Oregon was against this tax hike.

We are all fucked.

105 Who would have guessed that Unicorns eat money?
Face it people, there's no such thing as free Skittles.

Posted by: Rocks at January 27, 2010 11:36 AM (Q1lie)

Due to the Unicorn skittle shortage, caused by 8 years of failed Bush  policies, we will propose instead to substitute horses. Let me be clear, you will get the equine excrement for free from my stash just as I promised.

106 Logging?  Pshh, who needs lumber?  It's not like we need that stuff for "houses" or "repairs" or all that stuff that The Man pushes on us!  Check it out, though. We're in the planning stages for the 2nd annual 19th Century One-legged Asian Lesbian Poetry Reading Festival. 

107

Two fearless predictions:

1-Democrats around the country will use this as evidence for claims that people are dying to pay more taxes. Well, to have other people pay more taxes.

2-In about a year there will be a spate of stories about how these measures didn't raise as much money as predicted. How businesses laid off more people than expected and new jobs didn't spring up to replace them.

And you can add a third one:

3 - This is the first tax hike enacted since Oregon's idiot voters repealed their supermajority rule for tax bills a year or so ago. Tax hikers will be emboldened by this and will propose even more tax hikes. Especially when prediction #2 comes to pass.

108

Due to the Unicorn skittle shortage, caused by 8 years of failed Bush  policies, we will propose instead to substitute horses. Let me be clear, you will get the equine excrement for free from my stash just as I promised.

Mules. According to the "gay marriage" advocates, a mule is a horse. Let them ride mules.

 

109 New Jersey is another state that assumes that I'm too stupid to pump my own gas.  I love getting yelled at by a station attendant off of I-80 in NJ after I've driven 8 hours across Ohio and Pennsylvania trying to reach wife's family on Long Island.  Really makes my day.............

110 I did my part, and I'm not going anywhere, but these passing mean that Oregon is going to stay at or near the bottom of economic growth even if we do recover as a nation.

I've lived here for over 25 years, and whenever a national recession hits, Oregon is always the first one to feel the effects and the last one to recover when the recession ends.

111 Muse, I remember you as being in the Valley, right?  Where you at Hamilton?

Yeah, I'm in Eugene. I'm even a U of O grad.

112 We should put up billboards about this...

113 It's for the children.  Well, at least it's for the teachers of the children.  Ok, it's for shoring up the pensions of the teachers of the children.

Thread winner. The public pension funds in this state have taken a beating in the recession, so the unions are starting to get panicky.

114 I keep thinking that any state with an initiative process should work on this initiative:

Any year in which a deficit either happens or is projected, the difference shall be taken out of state employee payroll - starting at the top.

This has sucks in the 'punish the rich' idiots, and makes the 'idiots in charge' be a little more circumspect in their steering of the ship-of-state.

115 New thought, after watching Ax Men, the hippies found a way to kill off the logging companies?

The hippies killed off logging in this state years ago.We're all going to get rich by cutting each other's hair.

116  Exclude police and fire as needed.

117

2 Measure 67 calls for an increase in the state's minimum corporate income tax, currently $10 a year

Surely shome mishtake?

No mistake, and I think you figured it out, but to spell it out, the $10 corporate minimum tax was on corporations not making a profit.  The new minimum is $150, but even that number is a smokescreen since it scales up based on gross revenue.  Some number of businesses with high volume sales but trying to tough out a year breaking even or posting a loss are going to have to look at moving states or just shutting down.  This thing truly is contemptibly stupid.

And I agree with posters above.  Rural Oregon is surprisingly red-state country, but the urban population corridor has the numbers to run the state.  There's a sincere state secession movement in southern Oregon, despite the long odds against that happening.

I dunno, time to look at Texas I guess.  I just hate to surrender my home state.

118

Yeah, I'm in Eugene. I'm even a U of O grad.       Posted by: OregonMuse at January 27, 2010 12:48 PM (hoowK)

Damn!! That's almost as bad a living in Portland....hey, do you want our mayor?

119 I like the part where they tax the companies that tried to make money.

120 Even the lib newspapers in Oregon was against this tax hike.

Come to think of it, the local rag, which I've never seen not endorse any proposed tax hike, was strangely silent on this one. Or perhaps not so strange.

121

Muse, I remember you as being in the Valley, right?  Where you at Hamilton?

Yeah, I'm in Eugene. I'm even a U of O grad.

Eugene? Why are you in a Kraut uniform?

122 Damn!! That's almost as bad a living in Portland....hey, do you want our mayor?

Hell, you can have ours. Like Obama, she's both "progressive" and incompetent.

123

Eugene? Why are you in a Kraut uniform?

Band of Brothers! One of the few shows that come along every so often that keep me watching otherwise GayBO.

So--did Lieutenant Spiers gun the prisoners down?

124 Eugene? Why are you in a Kraut uniform?

Heh. OSU Beaver fan, are you?

125 Wait. I guess I missed a reference there.

126

Liberals never quite understand that people with means won't sit around on their asses while the state confiscates ever increasing amounts of their money and that companies don't actually pay taxes but instead pass them on either through higher costs or savings like firing people.

AMEN!! Brotha Drew...preach it!

127

You left out an important prediction, 3) civil servants will get pay increases well above the rate of inflation.

128

Hell, you can have ours. Like Obama, she's both "progressive" and incompetent.         Posted by: OregonMuse at January 27, 2010 01:02 PM (hoowK)

Thanks but NO THANKS. 

We are trying to get another re-call going here for AssBoy Adams.

129 Taxing gross receipts is insane, but many successful local businesses will like it. The ones driven into bankruptcy will be competitors (generally family owned and small companies) that were barely scraping by, thus benefiting successful larger businesses. That's the dirty little secret of regulation and taxes. Big corporations can survive it, the little guys can't.

How do I know this? A gross receipt tax in WA on casino income combined with the high minimum wage lead to the closure of the business I ran for 10 years. I laid off 135 employees (including myself) back in June. The large tribal casinos (not subject to any taxation) are the beneficiaries of our bankruptcy.

130

I heard that Ace was talking to these Kos prisoners, and asked them if they'd like a smoke. They say "yes" and Ace screams at them, "This is a fucking smoke-free zone, assholes!!!" and he cuts them down with Thompson fire. Then he says, "Shit, these nicorette sticks don't work worth shit." It's true, man. I heard it from wherestherum from someone who was there when it happened.

131

Eugene? Why are you in a Kraut uniform?

Posted by: Ben at January 27, 2010 01:00 PM (wuv1c)

 

Props for the Band of Brothers reference.  Fantastic series. 

132 When Widmer packs up and moves east, all the hipster trustafarian shitheads in Portland will whine that Widmer SOLD OUT TO THE MAN.

Negative, kiddies. You sold out when you voted for this collectivist bullshit. Have a nice fucking day.

Hey, Portlanders - if you can get rid of Sam Adams, please elect Christine Gregoire immediately as Mayor to get her out of Washington. thxbai

133

I heard that Ace was talking to these Kos prisoners, and asked them if they'd like a smoke. They say "yes" and Ace screams at them, "This is a fucking smoke-free zone, assholes!!!" and he cuts them down with Thompson fire. Then he says, "Shit, these nicorette sticks don't work worth shit." It's true, man. I heard it from wherestherum from someone who was there when it happened.

Does anyone have an image of an Ewok paratrooper?

134 Many of the metrosexuals now living in Oregon actually migrated there from California bringing their utopian, uninformed political perspectives with them.  We might as well donate the entire west coast to either Canada or Mexico, whichever you despise most.

135 Vet, don't call him " AssBoy Adams", that's just a homophobic slur.

Call him by his correct title CHILDRAPER FagAdams.



(and golll-eeee look at all the oregon morons)

136 Here are a couple of rich quotes from the Register Guard (my hometown Eugene newspaper): “These are asking people who are doing well — even in this economy — to pay a little bit more,” Hunt said. “I think that’s what made the difference.” Asking? No - you asked the vast majority of people who you arbitrarily determined to be not 'doing well' to FORCE those who you determined (by pulling numbers from your *ss) were 'doing well' to pay 'a little more.' FFS - Who is John Galt? If I made over 250k, I would seriously consider leaving the state. Do I want to live in a state where my fellow brothers think it's just and fair to determine my own well-being? Oh - but where to go...? “It’s absolutely a road map for other states,” he said. “The road map is to ask those who are still doing well during the downturn to contribute more to the public infrastructure that helped them create their wealth.” OIC - it was the 'public infrastructure' that helped 'them' to create their wealth. Wheels within wheels. "Oregon House Speaker Dave Hunt called the results “a win for Oregon kids”" I'll try to think on the bright side. Perhaps Oregon schools can use the funds to teach concepts like, you know, basic economics... @OregonMuse - you also Eugene? How we stand it...God only knows.

137

We might as well donate the entire west coast to either Canada or Mexico, whichever you despise most.

Mexico, please. Please.

138

Call him by his correct title CHILDRAPER FagAdams.
(and golll-eeee look at all the oregon morons)     Posted by: s'moron at January 27, 2010 01:23 PM (p1s9n)

I was just trying to keep it on the polite side, for some stupid fuckin reason which I can't remember now, but I am trying to write and record the orchestra for a new song I am doing and if I get my blood pressure up to much I'll go across the street and beat the livin shit out of one of his backers and then I won't get anything done here...............but I will feel better, that's for sure.

 

I'm out by the airport, where are you?

139
California is like a cancerous tumor that leaks toxic cells to surrounding states, eventually infecting them too. Instead of realizing what forced them to move from the Golden State, the transplants demand their new host states adopt the same policies (and taxes) that caused them to flee. Quarantine California for the safety of the nation!

140 The states without state income tax:

ALASKA!

No state income tax, no sales tax in most communities, and since the people of Alaska own the resources, we get an annual check from the split of the oil revenues.

141

“It’s absolutely a road map for other states,” he said

No: it's a road map TO other states, states whose citizens aren't a rabble of thieves and Jacobins.

142 vet, I'm in LO

You can bet my fellow LO citizens voted to slit their own throats, too.

143


a rabble of thieves and Jacobins


that is SO stolen (it's OK i'm an oregonian)

144 @OregonMuse - you also Eugene? How we stand it...God only knows.

Yeah, I came here in 1983. Got a real good deal on a house in 1989, so I stayed. It hasn't actually been that bad of a place to live, all in all.

You have a nice blog, by the way, which I never knew about until now. I need to start visiting it.

145 Ain't just transplanted Cal'tards.

Thanx to the motor-voter laws, illegals are all voting in Oregon as well.

146 @oregonMuse thanks. I'll try to keep it updated. Well, it's good to know there are other people of sense in this town besides my wife and a couple of our friends... We actually like the city a lot too really. I just wish our political crew weren't such total dopes.

147 Grief, there's more than a few Oregon Morons, ain't there? Whoever brought up the fact that we stupidly repealed our 2/3 majority for tax hikes hit the nail on the head: now the seal is broken, the legislature is going to come at us hammer and tongs. Enjoy their part time status whilst it lasts, because I have a sneaky suspicion that's next on the list of things they'll try and change (again).

Oh, and I'm not even going to speculate how my town (Corvallis) went... That shit was a given! Not a single Yes sign outside of city limits of any town under 50,000 that DOESN'T have a college, but Portland and Eugene still swing the state. Blech.

148 Sigh... I wish this image didn't sum up Eugene... Rejoicers of Injustice Seriously, who in God's Name cheers at leveling a tax burden on their fellow man? 66-> Lane Co. YES 80,965 (64.4%) NO 44,676 (35.5%) 67- > Lane Co. YES 79,407 (63.7%) NO 45,243 (36.3%)

149

Seriously, who in God's Name cheers at leveling a tax burden on their fellow man?

Didn't the Vikings and Mongols have a similar shtick?

150

Ah, the People's Republic of Oregon... I've travelled in it and lived in it for a little while.  This aught to about finish it off.

Oregon is actually two very different regions divided by the Cascade Range.  The left coast has all the political power, population, and Marijuana.  I feel even more sorry for the conservative east side now.

As a whole, the west side is filled with lazy pot-smoking government wards.  This deal will make it worse, as the last three jobs-producing businesses will be over state lines by summer.  Really quite an accomplishment.

151 I just registered my business in Nevada rather than Oregon.

So by raising my taxes, they lost my tax revenue.

Bitches.

152 I heard most of the money raised by these taxes were going to prop up the pension funds of public employees.  Is that true? 

153

I'll laugh at the people of Oregon that lose their jobs and homes because business left the state due to such high taxes. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize when you raise taxes on business, they go elsewhere and it's YOU that lose.

Oregon voters have no one but themselves to blame when they lose everything they have. Not once ounce of sympathy for idiots that vote against their own self interest. Dems can attempt it elsewhere but it won't work. Most people are sane and realize they will be committing financial suicide for themselves by raising taxes on business.

 

I didn't think anyone could top California for stupidity but Oregon did

154 obama will fund us from his stash,

so it's all cool an' shit.

(yes, all the money will go to covering PERS (public employee retirement at 100%+ OF LAST SALARY) costs)

155 85 Was it Oregon or Portland that funded that light rail system that has almost no riders?     Hey man, we Heart the train!  We ride it all the time!

156 My husband and his family use to live in OR (he was born and raised there).  Lukily, they all escaped in the 90's.  OR has some of the most restrictive business and environmental laws and they have pretty much chased all business (except Nike and Columbia) and industry out.  It will be interesting to see how this brings the whole state down.  I use to love to shop downtown (tax free), but now there are so  many nasty, stinky, aggressive  homeless people, it's really unpleasant, so we haven't gone much in recent years (except when we go run the Portland Marathon).  Downtown Portland reminds me of San Francisco light except greyer and rainier.  I just hope our idiot legislators and Governor Fraudoire don't try and pass an income tax based on OR raising theirs.  Oh, and the other thing I heard about this tax increase, it's retroactive--a small business man called Mark Steyn yesterday on Rush's show and said it is retroactive, which seems like it would be unconstitutional and illegal.

157

Yes, we are a pathetic excuse for a state, yes we are doing our damnedest to chase jobs out, and have already chased many of our wealthy out.  I can't believe this.  Even the uber-liberal rag The Oregonian recommended voting NO and the measures still passed.

And yeah, our Light Rail is primarily a conduit for bums and gang bangers, though it is heavily used during rush hour by commuters.  Except when there is a weather crisis.  When it is truly needed is when you can count on it braking down.

Of course, the standard line: "We'll be cutting Teachers, Cops, & Firemen if these don't get passed" was used to cow opposition.

158 Tell me about it. A couple of years ago, there was a referendum on the ballot to built more libraries. Well, we already have enough libraries. I know it sounds odd but it is true. There are 5 branch libraries within a 2 mile radius of me. Is that not enough for the children????

159 It was pretty sad, I voted against it, but apparently (if you trust the ballot count, which is questionable) the majority wanted to destroy the already weak Oregon economy. The unemployment rate was almost 13% but it dropped to almost 11%, still higher than the national average. When this hits (and its retroactive, so it hits immediately, for last year's taxes) that's just going to get worse.

And just wait, it gets better: the Democrats in congress are going to just let the Bush tax cuts sunset. That's a huge tax increase on businesses which already are scared enough and not hiring. This is going to be like an economic bomb.

And Mark: we don't really appreciate Portland forcing the whole state to pay for your light rail, either.

160   113 Muse, I remember you as being in the Valley, right?  Where you at Hamilton?

Yeah, I'm in Eugene. I'm even a U of O grad.

Posted by: OregonMuse at January 27, 2010 12:48 PM (hoowK)

 

 

I live west of Portland near Banks.  I am an artist and sell my work in Portland (guess where?).

161   154 I heard most of the money raised by these taxes were going to prop up the pension funds of public employees.  Is that true? 

Posted by: byepartisan at January 27, 2010 03:55 PM (/g1Vk)

 

 

 

Yes.

162 The ads for the Yes campaign here seemed to be far more numerous and/or well-financed than the No people. And the Yes guys got started really early, airing stuff like "Greedy corporations only pay $10 in tax! Schoolchildren face drastic cuts! Vote yes to make the rich pay their fair share!" I didn't even start seeing No ads until fairly late in the game.

163 The problem is that the idiots in the Willamette valley who vote for this kind of crap ARE from California, and they out number the normal people in Oregon by a large margin. They don't seem to get that this stupid tax is actually going to lower tax revenues in the end, just like all tax increases do.

164 If you ever wondered who would be stupid enough to burden an economy struggling through the worst recession in 70 years with yet more taxes, you've got your answer ...

My cretinous fellow Oregonians.

There's only one answer to this deficit/debt problem: starve the politicians of funding. This just allows our tax-and-spend-aholics in Salem to go on another bender.

165 A tax of any sort on gross income would put my small business under.   We have fixed costs for the product we provide and we have no pricing power.  We simply can't raise rates because we compete nationally.  So let's say my profit is 10% before labor and overhead but after my main expense for materials.  If my product costs 30 cents and I make three cents that I can then use on salaries and overhead then even a 2% gross receipts tax would be $0.006 cents or 20% of what I can spend on labor and overhead. 

Anything approaching that level of taxation would put me under and 17 people would be out of work. 

Luckily I don't live in a state that is as economically illiterate as Oregon.  But I am going to start eating the lunch of the businesses who ARE based there because I have a huge advantage over them now.

The idiots are cutting their own throats in any industry that isn't anchored there by having to be close to the local population (auto mechanics etc...).  In that case they will just pay more and be poorer than everyone else for the extra expense.

Idiots.

166 "Oh, and the other thing I heard about this tax increase, it's retroactive" It is functionally retroactive - the argument is that the Legislature passed it last year - the measures were to repeal the Legislature's action. I think I pay a few bucks for the "rich persons" tax for last year - last time that happens. Fellow Oregon morons: if you are like me, you had better things to do with your time than minimize your Oregon tax liability. Change that attitude - I'm now going to devote considerable effort to legally reducing my Oregon tax bill, even if it costs me a few bucks to do so. They want to declare class war, let them have class war...

167 Liberals never quite understand that people with means won't sit around on their asses while the state confiscates ever increasing amounts of their money and that companies don't actually pay taxes but instead pass them on either through higher costs or savings like firing people.
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