1 hmmmmmmmmmmm

2

All those independent minds who voted for this fool are now independent of jobs, money, and a future as well. 

Thanks Mr. hopenchange.

3
Along with infrastructure spending, I'm unrolling "targeted tax cuts for businesses".  LOL.
Plus, I'm hiding Nancy Pelosi in the closet.  Feel confident yet?

4 I would guess that if the GOP needed a message they could ask Gov. Christie about that. The problem is that they would need to pick a point man and that would create a de facto head of the party. In an off year it's better to do what they are doing- 2012 will determine who is the leader. Right now the party of "No" is a feature, not a bug.

5 I flicked past CNN this morning (as I always do), but something caught my attention. It was one of their talking heads being critical of Obama. I have literally never seen that before. Clearly the end is near.

6
So fucking tired of the"independents".  A bunch of fucking idiots too stupid to decide what they believe and pick a side.  Farts in the wind.

7 Hasn't Obama spent the last 4 years assailing tax cuts for businesses?

8

we are so boned. where is monty?

9 Dang - It's hard to blame people for wanting to call themselves "independents" after the Republicans and Democrats took turns fucking everything up the last 5 years.  It's going to be hard for either party to win them back permanently too, because the base is so strong in both parties and people who call themselves independents are simply not extreme partisans and don't look at things the way we do.  They're totally pissed off at the Democrats now because of their incompetence on the economy, but also because of their extreme liberalness and partisanship in this Congress.  But if Republicans come storming in to DC in January and act like a partisan wrecking crew, they'll lose the independents again in 2012. 

10 All the ads in the world aren't going to help the Dems this fall. That cake is already baked. It's just a matter of how bad it gets for them. The normally squishy middle has firmed up like never before, it's seeing all their neighbors and perhaps themselves out of jobs, mortgages and sky rocketing health ins costs. The Dem label should be toxic for a generation.

11 If only kid funkadelic were here to show us the way.

12 LOL, Fox just had someone on talking about that WP poll. What is funny is that it is slanted to make the Dems more popular than they actually are.

ALL of the other polls are much worse for them.

13 The Republicans have to do two things.  Make it really clear that they will repeal Obama care-and make it so insurance companies are interstate (and then do it), and also make it clear that although Obama has only been president for two years, the Democrat party has been in control of Congress for 8 years.

14 Presence of Obama stickers on vehicle should be a hiring criteria (weighing negatively, natch.)  Speaks directly to judgment, or lack of same.

Independents aren't useful inasmuch as we can get them to vote our way in a given election.  They are worth our efforts inasmuch as they may be enlightened and brought into the fold on a permanent basis...

15 No worries. I'll just wow everyone with my awesome car-in-a-ditch analogy.

16 I believed Obama when he said he never heard anything in Rev Wright's church for 20 years. I believed him when he said he believed in bipartisanship and he was a centrist. What are the odds I will believe Dem politicians that voted for Pelosi as speaker and for most of her legislation when they try to distance themselves from her and Obama?

17

Chicago (CBS) - If there is any place President Obama is going to get the benefit of the doubt, it's here in his hometown. Yet public opinion polls show that even here, confidence has slipped. Though they're a bit hesitant to talk about it.

When one resident was asked how Mr. Obama was doing, the answer was not very convincing.

"Don't ask me that question."

"You have to consider where we were," Chicagoan T'oni Gray said, "He walked into an office that was already messed up."

Right on! It was so messed up and it's only gotten worse T'oni

"I'm not goin' there; he's our president," Irving Jacobson said. "You gotta stand behind him."

But when pressed a bit, he added: "I don't like the programs he's putting through." 

Why not? 

"Because I dont think it's going to lead to things getting better for anyone, anytime soon."

Some thing tells me old Irv is a dye in the wool liberal who can't face the reality that his hero is a dud

While the stimulus program unveiled Monday won't produce any new jobs for months, we found people who say they owe their jobs his efforts. Keisha found a new job, Corey was called back to his.

"They brought everybody back," Corey said. "They're hiring more people," added Keisha.

Funny there's no mention of where Keisha and Corey work

18

And only 39 percent approve of the President's handling of the economy.

So 39% of the American People are hopeless fuckheads. That sounds about right.

19 independant voter at September 07, 2010 09:50 AM (TIpuQ)

Wait a minute, I never heard about any of those things during the election, because largely I don't pay attention to politics and the media never mentioned them.  I heard a few of Obama's speeches and heard the media say he was a gifted speaker and decided to vote for him.  Plus that other guy kinda looked old.

I have no idea who Nancy Pelosi is.  Is she that woman from the Youtube video that insists she be called "Senator?"

20

Actually I think we're near the crest now. If the election were today, we could very well gain 80-90 in the House and take the Senate. But 60 days from now it's not going to be that high.

The Pounding has started, with the Dem/MFM axis prepared to do Whatever It Takes. IMO It will push the R numbers down... gradually.

It won't be enough to save the House. But IMO the Senate stays Dem +1 or tied .

21 The latest polls show Botox Nan to be less popular than dripping clap. I suppose because dripping clap can be cured with a shot of antibiotic, while Botox must be voted out of office by people even stupider than the 39%.

22 I think we are going to end up with a Senate that is very close - making guys like Nelson and Leiberman inordinately powerful.

23 So congress is at like 12% approval, and polls offer the choice of who you trust more, D or R.  I bet approval is much higher for TEA party types, despite them all being "racist, violent, bigots, or Nazi's".

TEA party or what?  88% want change and got more of the same ... and much worse, from Obama.  TEA party Republicans seem the only genuine hope for change.

24 Malor: "We've also got to convince a portion of the movable middle that things could be better if they moved right this election."

And we owe Nancy Pelosi et al. our gratitude for deepening the D.C. swamp: corruption, historic debt, historic deficit spending, smearing middle-America, playing the race card, lying, demonizing critics and strawman targets, living lavishly on the taxpayer dime, creating undesirable bills and not reading them, exploiting churches to spread "The Word," and the list goes on.

Thanks, Nancy!

25 Greatest president EVAH!

26 The Pounding has started, with the Dem/MFM axis prepared to do Whatever It Takes. IMO It will push the R numbers down... gradually.

Five years ago I would have agreed, but I think the MFM has lost a lot of credibility, so much that people are starting to ignore it.

27 Well, at least BHO is three times more popular than Congress!

28 #16 "But if Republicans come storming in to DC in January and act like a partisan wrecking crew, they'll lose the independents again in 2012."

Hey Rockmom, is it okay if we (Conservatives) show up in D.C. and abide by the fucking United States Constitution?  Because if that's okay with you, then you AREN'T going to like us.  We WILL be a "wrecking crew."

And if you say "no, we shouldn't," then exactly where does that leave you with regard to the Constitution?

29 Well, at least BHO is three times more popular than Congress!

And twice as popular as ruptured hemorrhoids.

30 Some of us took up the independent flag to avoid the shame of associating with the party of socialism-light.

31 And if you say "no, we shouldn't," then exactly where does that leave you with regard to the Constitution?

Didn't you get the MFM position? People who support the Constitution are "extremists" from the "far right wing".

32 35 Well, at least BHO is three times more popular than Congress!

Wasn't Bush two or three times more popular as well? 

And if Obama's even losing support in his home town, that's another great harbinger of the Dem's electoral slaughter come Nov.

As Economy Struggles, Confidence In Obama Wanes

If there is any place President Obama is going to get the benefit of the doubt, it's here in his hometown. Yet public opinion polls show that even here, confidence has slipped. Though they're a bit hesitant to talk about it.

When one resident was asked how Mr. Obama was doing, the answer was not very convincing.

33 Well he always said that he preferred being a great one term POTUS instead of a mediocre two termer. Unfortunately for the country, his one term is a total, complete and enduring disaster. In other words in his mind, he succeeded but in our reality, we are screwed.

34 Didn't you get the MFM DHS position? People who support the Constitution are "extremists" from the "far right wing".

35 #39 
Didn't you get the MFM position? People who support the Constitution are "extremists" from the "far right wing".

And are racist tea-baggers to boot!

36 Obama still hasn't paid my mortgage and car payment, but I love him so!

37 What is going to push the R numbers down is a gradual district-by-district media campaign to distance the local guy from Nancy and Harry. We are in terminal approach, only the most significant national events are going to matter at this point - its all local, candidate on candidate, organization and turnout.

38 Every Republican elected to office in November should be required to silently repeat Alan Shepard's prayer before every session, interview with the press, or committee meeting: "Please Lord.  Don't let me fuck up."

39 41 Well he always said that he preferred being a great one term POTUS instead of a mediocre two termer.

Unfortunately for the country, his one term is a total, complete and enduring disaster.

In other words in his mind, he succeeded but in our reality, we are screwed.

Which is why the metaphor "political suicide bomber" is apt in describing what Obama is doing.  He loses, in the end, but so do we. 

40 41 That quote always pissed me off. Basically he was saying "I rather pass far left wing shit noone wants and be voted out than actually govern responsibly."

41 Dang... O-bummer can't spend fast enough can he.  Can you say FDR part II.
________________________________________________
MILWAUKEE – A combative President Barack Obama rolled out a long-term jobs program Monday that would exceed $50 billion to rebuild roads, railways and runways, and coupled it with a blunt campaign-season assault on Republicans for causing Americans' hard economic times.

42 Can someone please explain to me how the Tea Party is "right wing"? Balancing your budget is extreme now?

43 36 #16 "But if Republicans come storming in to DC in January and act like a partisan wrecking crew, they'll lose the independents again in 2012."

Hey Rockmom, is it okay if we (Conservatives) show up in D.C. and abide by the fucking United States Constitution?  Because if that's okay with you, then you AREN'T going to like us.  We WILL be a "wrecking crew."

And if you say "no, we shouldn't," then exactly where does that leave you with regard to the Constitution?

Posted by: Sukie Tawdry at September 07, 2010 10:09 AM (YmdLx)

This.  THIS.  OMG THIS.

44 "9 So fucking tired of the"independents". A bunch of fucking idiots too stupid to decide what they believe and pick a side. Farts in the wind. Posted by: Dang at September 07, 2010 09:41 AM (Chg7a) " In our defense. What good is "picking a side" when you can't identify with either side. When you think that boner, were he in power, would be just as toxic, albeit in a different way, as harry reid. When you see power hungry people who attain wealth when they attain power regardless of the "R" or "D" designation. When you see people who think "the American people" work for them, that they don't work for "the American people". I think the days of my grandfather voting a "straight ticket" are gone for good. Americans are picking a side, they are on the side of America. They've spoken loud and clear, they don't like obamacare, cap and tax, and big government. They don't want unions and card check. They want the American dream to continue, maybe tweaked a little where it was getting bogged down, but cleaned and polished and held up again for all the world to see.

45 So 39% of the American People are hopeless fuckheads. That sounds about right. Posted by: maddogg at September 07, 2010 09:55 AM ___________________________________________ So the government/teachers unions are doing their job!

46 What is going to push the R numbers down is a gradual district-by-district media campaign to distance the local guy from Nancy and Harry.

They can't run from the fact they voted them into leadership positions.

47 Fucking sock

48 Speaking of "extremists" does everyone remember that big bad Tea Party backed guy that all the RINO moaning eeyores screamed about killing the Republican Party in KY. Yes, Rand Paul the extremest goon was going to deliver KY to the Dems. Yes, we needed a "moderate" in KY because only Hillary can beat McCain.

Latest poll is out, he is leading by 15 points.

49 #45 45seats.com is a good start. Also reviewing the maps and polling and district by district data to see who needs the $$ the most to make the biggest impact. Large waves are only possible if we dont have enormous turnout in say, North Texas, and none in the Ohio suburbs.

50 By "partisan wrecking crew" are you referring to the bright lights of the all Ken Jennings C-Span channel? or a scorched earth Appropriations committee, that only leaves enough money in the account to pay a contract janitor to sweep the floors and turn out the lights.

51

I think the MFM has lost a lot of credibility, so much that people are starting to ignore it assume correctly that it is an Obama administration propaganda organ.

FIFY

By the way: listening to Barky in the other room on NPR - too far away to catch the words, but the bellowing, faux-confident voice is remarkably similar to the sound in a clip I have seen of some other guy.  He was waving a piece of paper around and saying he has Hitler's word on something or other.

52 Herr Morgenholz: "And twice as popular as ruptured hemorrhoids."

Yeah, sorry 'bout that. Look, I was under a lot of strain the day that poll was taken. Most days now, however, I'm tied with Obama. I'm pretty sanguine about my chances this Fall to pass the President in popularity.

53 "But if Republicans come storming in to DC in January and act like a partisan wrecking crew, they'll lose the independents again in 2012."

This is the conventional wisdom, and what the MFM will be pushing hard on November 3rd.  We will be treated to lectures from pundits about how the GOP needs to find common cause with Obama or face doom in 2012.

The MFM, to put it mildly, does not have the GOP's interests at heart.

54 Anybody here from IL-17? How is that idiot Phil Hare still up in the polls? Remember him? He's the one that got video on who not only said he "didn't care about the constitution" didn't know the difference between it and the declaration and then zoomed off in his car. How is this guy polling higher than, say, Kratos' ass?

55 sherlock - I'd trade you Obama and Adrian Peterson right now for ol' Neville

56 Can someone please explain to me how the Tea Party is "right wing"? Balancing your budget is extreme now?

Yes.  Remember, we're talking about a situation where a slightly smaller increase in a budget is portrayed as a massive cut to that budget.  The concept of actually spending less is simply beyond the pale.

57 Posted by: dagny at September 07, 2010 10:21 AM (6jP/x)

It's illinois right?

58
This must be shut down by the FCC.

I hate free speech!  Shut the people up!  Now!

59 But he's up by 30 with independents on Intrade.

60 Anybody here from IL-17? How is that idiot Phil Hare still up in the polls?

It's within the margin of error with Bobby Schilling (Bobby is down by 2-5 I think).  Bobby's team is very optimistic; the district is very liberal they say.

But, I'm sure Bobby would appreciate any cash you could send his way.

61 OT -- But could any of you computer-minded folks help out a slightly computer-illiterate Moronette? All of a sudden, the pix that go along with most web sites won't come through.  I'm getting the white box with the red "X."  Did my kids check or uncheck something under "tools" or "used options" that's doing this?  How can I provide witteh commentary if I can't see accompanying photos?

62  Some seem to be losing their nerve, we have two months for the left and Obama to make more mistakes and piss us off. Obama can't help his self, stupid comes natural to him. Never fear, the left will not do anything to endear themselves to the voting public, they are to far down that road of no return.

63 After getting beaten in several cycles on big ticket elections, many Republicans have pretty much given up in New York, Illinois, and California. That simply added to their disadvantage in voter registration. In a wave cycle it is still possible, with independents, to beat Democrats in states like these, but you need one thing that has been sorely lacking- enthusiasm. Polls like this should give us that- not to get cocky, but to really wake up and realize dozens and dozens of races are winnable, with the right ground game. Cheerleading AND eeyoring does absolutely nothing, but building a sail to this headwind will pay off a hundredfold.

64

Shed the pajamas.  Get cleaned up and ready for your presentation in public.

Phone your local Republican campaign office, and get some marching orders.  We need to out-AFL the CIO when it comes to turnout in this next one. 

Now!  Get moving!

65 I won!!

66 RushBabe, try this trouble-shooting list by "ask Leo".

67 It's just now occurring to these movable middle types that Obama's disastrous economic policies are part of the problem.

They are part of the problem, too. They had no f'n idea who the hell he was or what he stood for, yet they voted for him anyway.

68 How about not having an idiot as president? How does that poll?

69 The "Independents" should now have a real clue. The dems are no longer even the party of people like Bill Clinton. They are Pelosi and Obama, out-and-out marxist redistributionists, anti-born alive infant protection act, detrimental pull-out dates, Martha's vineyard, designated all expense jet, voter overriding, bill not-reading, muslim bowing, stash promising communists. Go with them and surrender the US and become a serf or stand with the right. There is no middle ground anymore. There are always corruptocrats and power mongers on both sides but the right isn't wanting to overturn the country. The right is also at least trying to cull the herd, the left elected their extremists speaker and president. Go toward the "middle" and you're siding with SEIU thugs, hate laws, mosques, and redistribution.

70 Posted by: RushBabe at September 07, 2010 10:25 AM (a3Z62)

Internet Explorer: Advanced tab of the Internet Options (Multimedia) select Show Pictures

Maybe?

71 You crackas got it all wrong.  We'll hold the house and gain in the senate.

72

About 61 percent of independents say Obama has not brought change to Washington.

What Obama means by change and what they mean by change are two very different things. Obama means "transform America into Europe, at least" while the hopers who turned on him thought he meant and wanted change to be "No more corruption and incompetance in government."

Because the first we've well too much of, and the second would be laughable if it weren't so tragic.

73 "We will be treated to lectures from pundits about how the GOP needs to find common cause with Obama or face doom in 2012." Watching them (the MSM) try to straight-face this message at the same time that they're desperately trying to save Obama's re-election bid is going to be a hoot. They are going to have try to completely erase people's memory of the last two years and replace it with their Obama-friendly version. If Matthews, Madcow, Olby, etc. make it to 2012 without absolutely losing their shit on air, I'll be impressed.

74 rushbabe, your generally better off without the pics

75

among suburban residents, itÂ’s 39 percent to 48 percent; and among independents, itÂ’s 39 percent to 45 percent.

This is good news for the Republican house candidates in the Phila. burbs.

76 I guess I'm surprised that southern IL is so libtard.

77 Posted by: RushBabe at September 07, 2010 10:25 AM (a3Z62)

This may sound dumb but when odd stuff happens on my computer I shut it down and disconnect it from the electricity for a while, like 5 minutes then I reconnect everything and check that all the connection are tight.  Most times when I do this the computer fixes itself when it reboots without me having to do a thing.

78 How you like me now?

79
Abandon "Hope & Change" all ye who enter here.

80 #75  They are part of the problem, too. They had no f'n idea who the hell he was or what he stood for, yet they voted for him anyway.

I think most of them "knew" at least something about what Obama is about, despite the MFM's screening for him.  Obama's comments re Joe the Plummer should have been enough to tip them off about Obama's leftist redistribution thinking.

Alas, I think a sizable number of people, even people that should have known better, voted for him because of the racial guilt thing.  One thing that I hope comes from Obama's Presidency is that playing the race-card constantly becomes a distant memory.

/Hey, I can dream, can't I?

81 How you like me now? Posted by: Jimmy Carter at September 07, 2010 10:32 AM (swuwV) Well I wouldn't waste my time to piss on your grave. How a about that?

82

They are part of the problem, too. They had no f'n idea who the hell he was or what he stood for, yet they voted for him anyway.

And that was even before Chris Matthews was spouting off about the Toonces' pluperfection.

83 Independents did not abandon Obama... Obama abandoned independents.

84

Now is the time to challenge independents as to why they were ever independents in the first damn place.  Obviously, they don't trust the media and their own schooling and their own culture fully or they'd be Democrats. 

I think the key is that the key don't realize the full extent to which they have internalized negative attitudes towards Republicans from a media that they don't fully trust.  The key is that they understand that the media lies, but they don't appreciate the full extent of the media's lying -- that the media is lying all the time and that their capacity to lie and rationalize is infinite.  And most important of all, all the negative things that keep an independent from declaring theirselves as Republicans are also lies.  But I think there is a historic opportunity here.  The kitteh iz out of da bag.

One of the most maddenind things about liberals and independents has been that the truth about them is so astonishing that YOU sound paranoid  if you attempt to set it out.  The average person wasn't ready to believe that virtually all Democratic politicians were so abnormal.  But perhaps they are beginning to see now       

85 Funny there's no mention of where Keisha and Corey work

There's an election in sixty days. Someone's gotta register ficitious voters.

86 48 The phrase always irritated me too due to the fact he meant to pass the most far reaching socialist changes in our history. The unfortunate part is that he/they(house and senate) succeeded to a large degree.There is nothing.....NOTHING.These Bolsheviks finally got their man in place, had total power in both houses and tore off their masks to expose the grotesque face that we all know was their. Now they will pay but now everything hinges on the replacements having the sacks to do what it takes to erase what this administration and the Bolshevik attack dogs has done.Anything less and the greatest nation ever to grace the planet will be gone. One thing is clear out of all of this that I hope the independents see clearly.There is no Democratic leadership anymore, they all, in unison passed bills that go directly against the core of this country, they are "all" long gone.

87 Independents did not abandon Obama... Obama abandoned independents.

I applaud you sir.

88 Does anyone think that some of the media's numbers will come back with a Republican Congress to attack?

89 Every time this plays, Christ loses another vote.
He was on morning Joe in NYC since Bill Clinton is hosting a fund raiser for him tonight.
He seems like a great guy but many just don't agree with his politics.  This is the guy Rubio has to beat, his commercials have effectively made it a race between him and rubio. 

90 Among seniors, his favorable/unfavorable rating is 39 percent to 53 percent;

See, if we got them to take those pain pills, and go off and die, we wouldn't have these problems.

91 The congressional Democrats as The Pedophile. The American Voting Public as the "13 year old" Labor Day Election Kickoff as the Sting House These generic ballot polls as Chris Hansen popping up around the corner. I think the analogy fits well.

92 Comrade Zero says we talk about him like a dog. Sorry, Zero, I like dogs and hold them in higher esteem than fucking statists. You lose.

93 Checking ones post is a good thing that I need to work on. I had meant to say there is NOTHING that this Bolsheviks could say or do now that the people could trust or believe that would actually be good for the country as we know it. I shall go and curl up in a fetal position, wishing I had checked my previous post before posting it.

94 Kratos: "Obama's comments re Joe the Plummer should have been enough to tip them off about Obama's leftist redistribution thinking."

That and Obama's Liberation Theology along with Rev. Wright and Father Pfleger is all anyone needed to know about the Obamas. Anything more is redundant... and there's a mountain of redundant that America has learned.

Quite stunning, actually, how transparent Obama has been and how committed the MFM has been at shielding him. The shield isn't working anymore.

95

Thanks for all the info, eveyone.  Everything that was supposed to be checked in IE was, so I guess it's the pop-up blocker.  It's been doing this for a couple days now, but an office computer upstairs is fine.  Go figure!

96

The average person wasn't ready to believe that virtually all Democratic politicians were so abnormal.  But perhaps they are beginning to see now       

Yeah, Pelousy Unplugged destroyed the imaginations of the most fervent  optimists and rationalizers.

97 Every time this plays, Christ loses another vote.

We weren't going to vote for him, anyway.

98 One thing that I hope comes from Obama's Presidency is that playing the race-card constantly becomes a distant memory.

Not in our lifetime, I fear. Although the race industry is slowly being exposed for what it truly is, there is still a huge amount of momentum backing it. Academia is constantly replenishing the ranks of the "believers". I think it will be a long, bitter struggle.

99 Not to worry about those pesky voters; NPR has it all explained for you:

http://tinyurl.com/2bws2q9

If we do have another two-chamber turnaround in the works this fall, many will see it as a great watershed in U.S. history. Or at least the end of the "Obama era" and a return to America's roots — however they may define them.

But there will be more exaggeration than truth in these statements, just as there usually is when such prognostications follow a particular round of voting. The truth is that the changes engendered by one American election rarely survive intact past the next one.

Yes, the "spin" is "in".

100 front's comin'......

101

Labor Day is over and the fall election season begins.  For most of us, that means it gets dark earlier, it'll be cold most of the time, and even in the best of times that's depressing.

In other good news, President Golfs-A-Lot is planning another live address to school children during the school day on Sept. 14th.  Last year when he was considerably more popular the propaganda address to other people's kids was a lightning rod.  Should be entertaining to see how this year's message goes down.

 

102 44 Obama still hasn't paid my mortgage and car payment, but I love him so!

Posted by: Peggy Jo at September 07, 2010 10:14 AM (TIpuQ)

I can't decide who I loves the most, Alvin and his action figures, or Barry and his fat ass wife.

103 Does anyone think that some of the media's numbers will come back with a Republican Congress to attack?

Bambi's polling numbers won't go back up in any significant way. The voters who who are turning now are the ones who have slowly come to realize they got played.

People don't like being fooled. It sticks in their craw and they remember it.

104
There are no such thing as independent voters.  They are just the disconnected that make up their mind about 2 days out.

They usually end up voting based on the last hard hitting commercial they seen.

105
I want your money . net

Excellent.

106 where Keisha and Corey work graveyard, registration shift

107

It sticks in their craw and they remember it.

Not Craw! Craw!

108 Likely Voter polling showing Indies going GOP 2-1 means a result model more in line with Scott Brown's 5pt beatdown of Croakly in a state on par with Cali, NY, or Illinois (in fact a few deeper shades of blue). Turnout the angry indies and the Dems have no defense, even with large voter reg advantages in many of these states.

109

84 dagney: guess I'm surprised that southern IL is so libtard.

 

The small farming communities in Illinois are conservative, but the larger industrial towns downstate used to have large manufacturing plans, for Caterpiller & International Harvester, and those towns had large union workforces. 

Unions = Liberals. 

Those plants have lost a lot of jobs over the years, but old voting habits are hard to break.  I believe Phil Hare (D-IL 17) is a former union worker at one of those plants.

110 The race industry is not as profitable as it once was, Al Sharpton's "National Action Network" is tanking financially. the NY Post has an article on it. Apparently, the National Action Network's own accountants are saying it is screwed.

111 I don't think the polls have peaked. Even if Osama shows up at the White House and surrenders to "Shelley" the American people know that Barky's Marxist economic program still sucks.

112 Hell, it looks like God really IS on our side!

http://tinyurl.com/24y8e7a

113 Independents ain't what they used to be. Nowadays, a lot of independents are people who ditched the Republicans during the eight-year Bush spending and amnesty festival. (Yo!)

Bush nostalgia is merely proof that semi-competence looks great next to complete incompetence.

114 #119 thats my only red flag with these polls... if this marks the peak they show, then the narrative becomes "the Dems are surging". If however this is just the beginning (and I sense that it is since PPP and Gallup have yet to switch over to LV), then it becomes how high does the average go?

115

Wonder if Zero's fail with indies has anything to do with the lovely friends he has? 

Trumka: "Without Nancy Pelosi health care wouldn't have happened...We stuck together and we got a historic victory and drove it down the Republican's throat and out their backsides"  via Hot Air Pundit

116
I don't care about all this financial stuff and frankly I don't understand any of it.  I like Barry because he quoted Jimi Hendrix.  Obama is so cool.

117 9
So fucking tired of the"independents".  A bunch of fucking idiots too stupid to decide what they believe and pick a side.  Farts in the wind.

Posted by: Dang at September 07, 2010 09:41 AM (Chg7a)

Pretty much this. No core values, no core beliefs. WILLFULLY ignorant on the issues. They're influenced as much by hollywood as they are by anything else in their eyesight that's shiny.

118 My friend, in defending his vote for BO, had a fairly decent point.  He said that he thinks most people assumed that the democratic party would not put up someone as a presidential candidate who didn't believe in mom's apple pie, the American dream, the greatness of the American people.  He felt most people, despite what BO said, believed that he held these inner core beliefs or the dems would not have put him out there as a candidate.  He also said, when McCain said that he would make a great president that it was kind of like giving permission to vote for him to some republicans.  Now that all this time has passed and my freind is seeing the result of his vote he's very upset.  He still doesn't like the republicans, he really is terrified of conservatives and he now sees that the dems have let him down.  Now, oddly enough, I see him as a conservative dem.  We had a long conversation and I sort of pointed out to him that BO is a conservative.  Only he is a conservative in the complete other direction.  I was like. look you probably haven't even ever talked to a conservative but these people are for small government, capitalism, upholding the constitution and self reliance. Ever time he described who he thought conservatives were I cringed. And he said that republicans are really closet conservatives and I cringed again.  We arrived at the conclusion that if you are a conservative you have a certain set of tenets and values but if you are conservative in your beliefs you can be an ultra progressive lib and be conservative in those beliefs meaning that you won't give an inch, won't back down until you've accomplished your goals, which aren't the goals of the American people.  I think there are a lot more like him out there.  Wonder how the republicans can capitalize on this?

119

Sept. 7 (Bloomberg) -- The jobless rate in the U.S. is likely to approach 10 percent in coming months as the economy fails to grow enough to employ people rejoining the labor force, economists said.

“Growth is too sluggish to successfully bring down the unemployment rate,” said Michelle Meyer, a senior economist at BofA Merrill Lynch Global Research in New York. “At this stage, about one year into the recovery, this was still quite feeble job growth.”

“Such tepid growth implies a higher unemployment rate at year-end, perhaps 9.7 percent rather than the 9.4 percent we had assumed,” the economists said in an Aug. 27 research note.

 When it hits 10% again will it be unexpected?

120 #128 No, they will blame the Republican House and Senate by then...

121 87
Abandon "Hope & Change" all ye who enter here.

No problem.

122 Right. So is the Journolist plan for the media to actually report bad news for the Dems leading up to November and then declare whatever happens to be a "disappointment for the Rethugs"?

123 Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 07, 2010 11:00 AM (vMpCU)

I think there is more to the story of the ABC head leaving.

124 Independents are dummies, unfortunately, but we need them right now so let's pretend like we haven't noticed.

125 "134 Independents are dummies, unfortunately, but we need them right now so let's pretend like we haven't noticed.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 07, 2010 11:02 AM (vMpCU)"

really?  really?

126

Trumka: "Without Nancy Pelosi health care wouldn't have happened...We stuck together and we got a historic victory and drove it down the Republican's throat and out their backsides"  via Hot Air Pundit

Posted by: RushBabe at September 07, 2010 10:55 AM (a3Z62)

The Seattle Times top story today is informing all of us that our Health Insurance rates are set to go up 25% this year. Our candidates need to jump on this and make the democrats eat it.

127

Guys, you may want to take a look at S.1619, which apparently Dodd succeeded in getting through the banking committee.  The Liveable Communities Act, which will be a top-down implementation of UN Agenda 21.

 

This is the first time it has ever gotten out of committee--last time it even came close was when Jeffords flipped.

 

The lame ducks are going to pass a lot of really really bad shit before the door hits them in the tuchas, so call McConnell, Bethune, and your two senators to oppose this thing ASAP.

 

We'll have federally mandated global warming mitigation at the local level--like putting the right kind of roof on your house before you can legally sell it, and other fun things.

 

I live in a "sustainable community", and believe me, this is hell coming down the turnpike.

 

Make four phone calls to the Senate offices right now.

128 Posted by: robtr at September 07, 2010 11:03 AM (fwSHf)

so far it looks like the republicans are stuck in cement.  They aren't "jumping on anything"....they seem to be taking baby steps.  But since Boner managed to get under the great one's skin maybe that is the right approach.

129

He said that he thinks most people assumed that the democratic party would not put up someone as a presidential candidate who didn't believe in mom's apple pie, the American dream, the greatness of the American people.  He felt most people, despite what BO said, believed that he held these inner core beliefs or the dems would not have put him out there as a candidate. 

Based on what evidence? Was there anything in Barack Hussein 0bama's background to suggest he was as American as mom's apple pie? How about in his legislative record?

If you're trying to make a case for an informed "independent" mindset, it's not working. All I get out of your post is a lot of confusion, and especially:

OH NOES!!!! THE CONSERVATIVES ARE COMING!!!!1!@!

130 124 They'll still play the race card as long as the MFM still talks about it.

True.  You and Soap are right.  Maybe I should rephrase.  I hope one thing that comes out of the Obama Presidency is that the race-card's effect becomes so diluted that it is essentially worthless to play.

People can only tolerate being called "racist!" with no justification for so long...

131 Gregory of Yardale@121,

Yep. Quite a few indies are disenchanted, not disconnected. I am a "Republican" out of necessity but have been independent since Perot's first run. Republicans provide more of a method than a message to accomplish conservative feats. The GOP has a golden opportunity to swing Right and gain converts if it switches out some of the leadership (although to be fair, it did an OK - not good, but OK - job holding together on some votes the past few months). It must do better.

132 Posted by: Countdown with Keith Olbermann at September 07, 2010 11:05 AM (OWjjx)

What's so funny is that on the financial blogs people are commenting that the market hasn't crashed because people can see the republicans coming up the road.

133

"I think the headline should read "Anyone with a brain is abandoning Obama.""

 

No, no, that's no good!  We need a majority!

134 113
I want your money . net

Excellent.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at September 07, 2010 10:47 AM (0fzsA)

Thanks for that! Looking forward to its release.

135 really?  really?

No, no, no. I like Independents. Some of my best friends are Independents.

Independents have really keen insights in understanding that "both sides are really the same" even though one side owns culture, media, education and news (and now government), has practically destroyed them all, and clearly hates this country like the plague. I love Independents.

136

 But if Republicans come storming in to DC in January and act like a partisan wrecking crew, they'll lose the independents again in 2012. 

So would it be a partisan wrecking crew if the Republicans just say we're not going to spend more money than we take in?

137 #143 You will see a massive, massive jump on the Dow on November 3rd if the Republicans sweep both Houses. Happened in 1994, happened in 2004, happened in 1984 (if I am not mistaken). Obviously a sign that by abandoning an unwilling party Obama has brilliantly generated a balanced government, instilled confidence amongst businesses, and thus should be worshipped as a divine God-King. Trying my hardest to think up the wackiest spin the MFM can develop...

138 Posted by: kallisto at September 07, 2010 11:05 AM (+FkcS)

then you got the point.   He is feeling let down by the dems because they failed to vet the candidate according to the assumptions he as a voter figured they would use.  But, the dems have made him so fearful of conservatives that he is wholly confused and doesn't know which way to go but he does now know that votes have consequences and things aren't working the way he thought they would be working by now.  If someone would give him real honest hope and map out what kind of change exactly they would bring and give him confidence in the future, he'd probably, although a registered dem, move in their direction.

139 Where you want this shitty rug?

140 Curious, you seem sweet, but that "conservative" discussion was largely incoherent.

141 BTW, if there is a message being sent this election, isn't the message that Obama needs to be stopped at all costs?

142 In other good news, President Golfs-A-Lot is planning another live address to school children during the school day on Sept. 14th.

Math class...adulation of Ear Leader.....no wonder we're getting our asses handed to us by India.

143 Well I wouldn't waste my time to piss on your grave. How a about that?

Posted by: nevergiveup at September 07, 2010 10:33 AM (0GFWk)

I would. In fact, I'm going to be buying myself a bus, and putting together a "Piss on the graves of dead liberal cocksuckers tour". I'll make a killing.

144 127
...I have no idea what you were saying about the definition of 'conservative'.  Other than none of that exchange making a whit of sense, at all.

Language becoming vague and meaningless...another offense against sanity, brought to you bye the Left.

(I'm not criticizing your point...but that's because I can't tell what it is...clarification?)

145 You know what draws Indies like flies to a cow pat?  Koran burning. 
_/sarc

Seriously, the GOP better distance itself from the Dove Church crap.  You know the MSM wants to wrap conservatives with that, given half a chance. 

146 He said that he thinks most people assumed that the democratic party would not put up someone as a presidential candidate who didn't believe in mom's apple pie, the American dream, the greatness of the American people.  He felt most people, despite what BO said, believed that he held these inner core beliefs or the dems would not have put him out there as a candidate.


Shorter:  Most people are ignorant. Willfully or accidentally? Not sure it matters, same end result.

147

He felt most people, despite what BO said, believed that he held these inner core beliefs or the dems would not have put him out there as a candidate. 

Posted by: curious at September 07, 2010 10:57 AM (p302b)

You made one mistake. You trusted me.

148 Trying my hardest to think up the wackiest spin the MFM can develop...

Posted by: CAC at September 07, 2010 11:10 AM (lV4Fs)

You might be right, but I think the rise in the Dow now is because of the anticipation of the GOP Sweep.  The smart money gets in early, which means they might dump their winnings on the 3rd.

149 #154 I'll refine my statement... There will be a jump, then a drop back. Without assured policy backup of the political shift, there will be some giddyness then a return to the "goddamnit" mode most have been in for the last year and a half...

150 Relevant comic strip.

151 Dem Caucus goer - the Dem primary votes went for Hilary. Barry didn't get voted onto that ticket, he got screamed on by a bunch of clown wearing pink and purple. The base the downticket Dems need; really might not post this year.

152 @20 Make it really clear that they will repeal Obama care-and make it so insurance companies are interstate (and then do it) That really is the issue if the R's win big. I forget just what issue it was during the 2006 Congressional elections(I think market-based health insurance changes), but the Reps held that issue out as bait to get votes. ie. promising to enact the legislation *after* the next election when they had to power to do it right then and there. We see how that worked out. So, Reps must defund Obamacare. Enact as many real market-based reforms as possible and people will see their rates start to fall. That should put the stake through Obamacare's heart. Also, committees to oversee the use of "Stimulus" funds. If any illegalities are found, go after them tong and hammer.

153 polynikes,

If you're asking me, I'd say the Perotistas were a blend of angry, anti-government-as-it-was voters who disliked both the entrenched FEC, the dual-party system that protected its incumbents at all costs, and the financial irresponsibility and corruption that we still witness today. I think many of the people who voted for Perot would be Tea Partyers today.

154 Seriously, the GOP better distance itself from the Dove Church crap.  You know the MSM wants to wrap conservatives with that, given half a chance. 

Posted by: Y-not at September 07, 2010 11:15 AM (osFsP)

Keefums: Conservative Dove Church shows us all why Christianity is eeeeevil(flare nostrils, dramatic prarie dog look at camera)

155

 If someone would give him real honest hope and map out what kind of change exactly they would bring and give him confidence in the future, he'd probably, although a registered dem, move in their direction.

Well, if all it takes is a Big Stwong Man to hold his hand and inspire his confidence in the future, and not be such a Scawy Republican Consewvative and whatnot, I think your friend could call on Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey. (his dance card may be a tad full, though.)

156  I think many of the people who voted for Perot would be Tea Partyers today.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 07, 2010 11:19 AM (swuwV)

 

We are...

157 Posted by: kallisto at September 07, 2010 11:20 AM (+FkcS)

hahha he lives in hoboken and he did vote for christie and he shared that with me as though it was a super secret that I could never reveal to any of our other friends...

158 How is that idiot Phil Hare still up in the polls?  dagny

bobby2010.com is the site for Hare's opponent.  He doesn't have a lot of name recognition so far, but has a decent grass roots movement. 

The district is extremely gerrymandered, mostly bordering the Mississippi, but crawling two thirds of the way across the state to pick out parts of two larger cities.  Rock Island County (RICO) is his stronghold, and they really need to use RICO to clean that mess up.

This is one race where some outside money could really help, since Hare votes left of Pelosi in a not that liberal area.  A debate has been proposed, but Hare wanted just two debates in his more liberal cities and at the PBS location where he has donors to help.  He wants to have one in Springfield where he only has a sliver of the town, but avoid Quincy where he made the "don't care about the constitution" flop.

It seems Hare has recently "come out" in favor of "messing with donkeys".

"It's a shame when you can be fined more for messing with a donkey than a person in a factory"  Phil Hare

http://fwd4.me/clF

159 #152.  No, O'Dipshit needs to GO at all costs.

160 #174 A lot of people are talking in private about voting R for the first time or for the first time in a long time this year. I think even my mother in law might be cracking a little on Boxer...

161 sorry if my telling of our conversation wasn't clear.  I'm doing a couple of important things and some not so important at once so I guess I'll have to wait to clarify when I can really devote time to the comments.  Right now i'm trying to get something in and on the phone with hitachi and posting on here, maybe I have to just do one thing at a time...lol

162

Posted by: barbarausa at September 07, 2010 11:03 AM (gRgC6)

That Agenda 21 stuff is some major garbage.  My two senators could be dead and buried for all I know.  I don't know when the last time was anyone saw them (Warner & Webb).  They hide from their constituents 99.9% of the time.  At a recent patriot mtg, we had a couple speakers discuss how Agenda 21 folks have wormed their way into local communities and lots of counties across Virginia.  My only hope is that once Palin gets in we'll dump the UN and everything associated with it.

163

as though it was a super secret that I could never reveal to any of our other friends...

That's the problem in a nutshell, it isn's socially acceptable in your particular set to vote Conservative.

That's OK, we won't tell. (but one of us may slap a gadsden sticker on your friend's Prius when no one's looking.)

164 137 barbarausa: 

Guys, you may want to take a look at S.1619, which apparently Dodd succeeded in getting through the banking committee.  The Liveable Communities Act, which will be a top-down implementation of UN Agenda 21.

This is the first time it has ever gotten out of committee--last time it even came close was when Jeffords flipped.

 The lame ducks are going to pass a lot of really really bad shit before the door hits them in the tuchas, so call McConnell, Bethune, and your two senators to oppose this thing ASAP.

We'll have federally mandated global warming mitigation at the local level--like putting the right kind of roof on your house before you can legally sell it, and other fun things.

 

This needs to be delayed, or better yet, given lots of attention during the next 60 days so that voters see what's coming. 

Interesting factoid about the "lame duck" session of congress that will be coming up after Nov 3rd.  A judge has just ruled that the Illinois US Senate seat that once was held by Obama, and is currently held by the worthless Roland Burris (D-IL), cannot continue to be held by Roland Burris after Nov 3rd.

There will be two elections on Nov 3rd for that US Senate seat.  One is for a new six year term.  The other is for the lame duck session.  Roland Burris's name does not appear on that second ballot. 

Therefore, as much as people dislike Mark Kirk for his Rino tendancies, it's important to vote for him over Alexi Giannoulis, and to vote both ballots.  Whoever wins the lame duck session ballot takes office immediately.  This would give the Republicans 42 votes in the US Senate, enough to make up for either of the Maine twins suddenly wanting to answer the phone when history calls.

165

My friend, in defending his vote for BO, had a fairly decent point.  He said that he thinks most people assumed that the democratic party would not put up someone as a presidential candidate who didn't believe in mom's apple pie, the American dream, the greatness of the American people.  He felt most people, despite what BO said, believed that he held these inner core beliefs or the dems would not have put him out there as a candidate.

I guess that makes your friend an idiot. Who was the highest ranking Democrat before Obama? Nancy Pelosi. That's the type of people Democrats put up.

He also said, when McCain said that he would make a great president that it was kind of like giving permission to vote for him to some republicans. 

I don't think McCain actually said he would make a great president. Something more along the lines of he was qualified. But the point still stands that McCain bears some responsibility here.

Now that all this time has passed and my freind is seeing the result of his vote he's very upset. 

Is he upset with himself or others?

 He still doesn't like the republicans, he really is terrified of conservatives and he now sees that the dems have let him down.  Now, oddly enough, I see him as a conservative dem.  We had a long conversation and I sort of pointed out to him that BO is a conservative.  Only he is a conservative in the complete other direction.  I was like. look you probably haven't even ever talked to a conservative but these people are for small government, capitalism, upholding the constitution and self reliance. Ever time he described who he thought conservatives were I cringed. And he said that republicans are really closet conservatives and I cringed again.  We arrived at the conclusion that if you are a conservative you have a certain set of tenets and values but if you are conservative in your beliefs you can be an ultra progressive lib and be conservative in those beliefs meaning that you won't give an inch, won't back down until you've accomplished your goals, which aren't the goals of the American people.  I think there are a lot more like him out there.  Wonder how the republicans can capitalize on this?

My guess is that he will swing Republican this election and Democrat next election. Unless, the Republicans still stay a minority and Obama has 2 more years of screwing up without Republican support.

166 Posted by: kallisto at September 07, 2010 11:27 AM (+FkcS)

It's not even funny, he's a musician and he feels it would ruin his "up and coming success" if anyone found out that he had voted for Christie.  I assured him that his secret was safe with me and then I patted him on the back for voting and making such a terrific choice.  He said he shared with me cause I'm "one of his more conservative friends" and I laughed cause I was surprised to hear that and reaffirmed that I'm not a conservative but an independent.  Although I am seriously concerned about the effect you guys might be having on me lol

167 You will see a massive, massive jump on the Dow on November 3rd if the Republicans sweep both Houses.
Happened in 1994, happened in 2004, happened in 1984 (if I am not mistaken).

Obviously a sign that by abandoning an unwilling party Obama has brilliantly generated a balanced government, instilled confidence amongst businesses, and thus should be worshipped as a divine God-King.

Trying my hardest to think up the wackiest spin the MFM can develop...

Posted by: CAC at September 07, 2010 11:10 AM (lV4Fs)

MFM spin: Republicans favor Wall Street fat cats and will give them tax breaks on the backs of the poor and middle class. Wall Street loves Republican anti-Main Street policies that ship jobs overseas and hurt working families.

Need I go on?

168 In defense of Independents, I would like to say that the reason I no longer consider myself a Republican is because of the established Republicans.  People like McCain , Cronyn, Mitchell, etc. are more interested in retaining power than in re-establishing Constitutional government.  In fact, I am not even 100% sure that the Republicans will repeal Obamacare.  In my mind, it will take a minimum of 2-3 election cycles to get enough of the squishy Repubs out of office, and when that happens, I will be able to say I am a Republican.  Pelosi and Reid brought a lot of attention to the problems, but Republicans are far from perfect.  That is why people like Bachman, Ryan, Palin and DeMint stand out.  They are the exception.

169

There will be two elections on Nov 3rd for that US Senate seat.  One is for a new six year term.  The other is for the lame duck session.  Roland Burris's name does not appear on that second ballot. 

This worries me somewhat. I don't have a lot of confidence in the average voter's ability to understand ballots. I wonder if lawyers will become involved?

170

Posted by: Dem primary voter at September 07, 2010 11:36 AM (zQKSr)

Unintentional sock, but it works.

171 185 - In my state, Independents have no voice in selecting candidates. Primaries are restricted by party affiliation. That's why I stayed Republican.

172 Guys, you may want to take a look at S.1619, which apparently Dodd succeeded in getting through the banking committee.  The Liveable Communities Act, which will be a top-down implementation of UN Agenda 21.

What could be better for the U.S.? Take the thing most responsible for the housing boom and bust (see Sowell's book) and combine it with the Marxist policies that are destroying the economy.

Any Republican who votes for this POS should be voted out regardless of "Bluestate Status". This is a communist bill in every aspect and anyone who votes for it belongs in jail for treason.

This bill is just as bad as crap and tax. I also note that one of the co-sponsors is the former Republican Bob Bennet from Utah. Yeah, we need some more "moderates" to help us take back the Senate so we can vote shit like this out of committee.

173

The Republican leadership is following the correct tactic.  The wisdom is when your opponent is busy digging a hole, don't interrupt.

For my local Democrat congressman, Mike Honda, we can remind the voter -

1) Honda voted for Cap 'n Trade

2) Honda voted for the Stimulus

3) Honda voted for Obamacare

and so on.

Of course, when actually governing, we can promise, not necessarily perfection from our newly elected Republicans, but damn better performance than from the Democrats.

 

174 Well I wouldn't waste my time to piss on your grave. How a about that?

Posted by: nevergiveup at September 07, 2010 10:33 AM (0GFWk)

I would. In fact, I'm going to be buying myself a bus, and putting together a "Piss on the graves of dead liberal cocksuckers tour". I'll make a killing.




I'll have the last laugh, wingnut. My ashes are gonna be scattered at sea. Hahahahahaha!

.....what was that you said about a whale tit at the bottom of the sea? My hearing aid seems to be cutting out.

175 Former DoJ attorney suing 16 states for voter fraud:
http://electionlawcenter.com

176

179, rushbabe

 

We share Senators!  Call them anyway. 

 

Webb is so targeted right now with all the moonbat ads demanding he support climate legislation and "green jobs" (our folding green, government jobs), that it may not hurt to say "ignore those damned attack ads from the progressive loons, and DON'T VOTE FOR 1619 EITHER".

 

I'm terribly afraid that now that cap and trade has been "declared dead", this is one of the first backdoor slide-throughs that will implement a lot of the green goo.

 

That's all the UN is anyway;  green world governance.

 

Defund EPA, tell the UN their lease is up, etc etc etc

177

Just thought of something that could solve two problems in one swoop:

 

Throw the UN out of their compound in NYC, and give the property to the Ground Zero Mosque folks for their center.

 

Why not?

178 making guys like Nelson and Leiberman inordinately powerful.

OK, if the Senate is 50/50, what are the chances that Ben Nelson switches parties?

That guy is really hurting.  I figured he knew it was over, but, no, he really seems to want to get re-elected.

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