1 Yeah, shocka!  I don't see anyone getting too upset about any of this.  Arizona is the recipient of a lot more hostility from the White House than North Korea will ever be.

2 Oh, and Foist!

3

The senior American officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the intelligence assessment is classified, said they ruled out the idea that General Kim or another military officer decided on his own to attack, but they did not explain how they reached that conclusion.

 

Funny thing about thug dictatorships, the chain of command is always followed.

4 Gosh, where is everyone?  (Although I  just scored the perfect trifecta!)

5 It snowed here yesterday (North of Reno) runningrn... I, for one, am going out into the breaking sunshine!

6 Hey, how about all the illegal Mexican immigrants go swarm North Korea.  They could do all the jobs North Koreans won't do, plus they are kick ass workers in the ag business.  They could grow fresh produce like arugula for the Norks.  Plus with their vast numbers, Kim Jung Il wouldn't have to be ronery any more.

7 I was waiting for you to get five in a row before I posted my dribble.

No thanks necessary.

8

It snowed here yesterday (North of Reno) runningrn... I, for one, am going out into the breaking sunshine!

 

Sigh, 'tis lonely in here.  Donner, Party of one...

9 torabore screwed the pooch for ya runn

10 You wingnuts are just using this nork nonsense to distract us from the very real problem: Arizona! Well, it won't work!!11!

11 How many divisions does AZ have?

12 The Norks will only get bolder as China's skirts protect them.

13


In a just world,  Kim Jong-Il would be executed on the main deck of the U.S.S. Pueblo after his military was annihilated.

14

runningrn, I think everyone is just so totally surprised at this news that they don't know what to say. I mean, really, who would've thought, all those many weeks ago when we heard about the South Korean ship, that its sinking had anything in the world to do with North Korea?

Also, many of the morons are visiting Vietnam right now so they can make the truthful statement "when I returned from Vietnam..."

/sarc obv.

15 Anytime I get shot at and missed I call it an act of war. Anytime I get shot at and hit is a really bad day.

16 O/T: The California Senate is expected to pass a bill ensuring that all textbooks will have been approved by the standards of the North Korean educational board.

17
Let's not foolishly profile the North Koreans who captured the imagination of their Southern cousins with this incident. We should make this a teaching moment for what happens when artificial lines drawn on a map keep a people from their destiny. If there were no borders there could be no war. Word to your Mama san.

18

When I served in and/or returned from Vietnam

You're getting old mighty quick, ace-man.

Better watch out for those young upstarts looking to steal your Moron-throne.

19 Wonder when the UNSC is going to issue a resolution "strongly condemning" the "incident".  Lil' Kim's laughing hysterically in his bunker.

20

_{When I served in and/or returned from Vietnam, we used to call that an act of war.*}

I was there, too!

Best Vietnamese Food I've ever had.  Vietnam Noodle Express doesn't even come close.

21 Don't worry, Barracky will get right on this.  Right after he deals with those racial-profilers in AZ.  They are the real threat!

22 5 It snowed here yesterday (North of Reno) runningrn... I, for one, am going out into the breaking sunshine!

Posted by: torabora at May 23, 2010 02:35 PM (+7I8e)

That same storm hit here yesterday and left about an inch where I live in Utah.  Today it's a very nice day and the snow has melted.

23

I should have taken Kim's father out at Chosin when I had the chance. Dammit, I had a clear shot , but my CO wouldn't let me take it !

24 I see another strongly worded letter being sent. Hillary is already talking about it.

25 Seriously, Obama is down with assassinating that "American" shitbird Awlaki over in Yemen, why can't we (or better yet, SK) put the kibosh on L'il Kim? Fear of retribution I guess, but still, he's been allowed to be a real menace for a long time. Someone needs to drop the hammer on someone over there.

26

If Barack know what good for him he send me Fie Guy Cheeseburger and one birron dorrar.

27 A strongly worded letter sent by Hillary will have no effect.

OTOH, sending Madeline Albright to Pyongyang for a week of State Dinners, diplomatic maneuverings and a final climax summit with Kim the Well-Fed-yet-Short should fix things right up.

28 If only the USA had apologized for something sooner! I blame Bush.

29 Someone needs to drop the hammer on someone over there.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 23, 2010 02:51 PM (qSRHZ)

Good luck with that op:  Kim lives mostly in several Luxury Underground Bunkers

30
OTOH, sending Madeline Albright to Pyongyang for a week of State Dinners, diplomatic maneuverings and a final climax summit with to give Kim the Well-Fed-yet-Short an autographed basketball from Michael Jordan should fix things right up.

Posted by: Arbalest at May 23, 2010 02:52 PM (BjcIH)

FIFY

31 War is preferable to an intolerable peace.

When you leave an enemy alive and in a position to cause us harm, you make yourself his captive.

It is better to endure the pain and loss that comes from decisive confrontation and destroy him utterly. 

Dead men don't wage war.

32
So far Obama has had harsher words for Wall Street than he has about North Korea's blatant act of war.

33 #29  Good luck with that op:  Kim lives mostly in several Luxury Underground Bunkers

Nuke it from orbit.  It's the only way to be sure.

/How well are Nork buildings constructed?

34

Also, many of the morons are visiting Vietnam right now so they can make the truthful statement "when I returned from Vietnam..."

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at May 23, 2010 02:42 PM (RZ8pf)

Visiting virtually through maps.google.com counts, right?

35

Apparently Obama is working on his golf game today, and, no doubt will challenge Kim to a $10 Nassau shortly.

In the meantime Hillary Clinton will be assuring our allies in the region that Barack has a big putter.

36

I assure you these recent hostilities wont go unanswered ! I declare war on Arizona !

37 I've heard the French constructed Kim's housing, so shouldn't be too difficult to take out.

Seriously, how likely is it that NK hasn't sold a nuke of some kind to Iran?

38 Roll the transcript.

Ace:  When I served in and/or returned from Vietnam, we used to call that an act of war.

Mrs. Clinton:  No comprehendee

39 As much as I'd love to smoosh the Norks into the ground once and for all I can't give the go order for one big reason.

The Norks have several thousand artillery tubes pre-sighted on Seoul.  They're dug into reverse slopes so that finding them and killing them will take time.  Even if every A-10 in the USAF is tasked with taking out these positions, Seoul will still be hit by at least 100,000 artillery shells of 152mm or larger.

That's the calculus that the Blue House must take into account every time the Norks act up.  The unknown question is what provocation will it take for South Korea to strike back knowing what will happen to Seoul.

40

 

Conservatives fail to appreciate the good work accomplished by Madeleine Albright in her dealings with Kim Jong il.  She danced with the dictator while sipping champagne, declared him the Fred Astaire of the Korean peninsula, and marveled how well they communicated on matters of importance. 

ItÂ’s been rumored she also provided a lap dance, and in the privacy of the palace, gave little Kim his first American blowjob.  Maddy is revered in North Korea as a woman of immense talent. 

 

 

41 Nuke it from orbit.  It's the only way to be sure.

/How well are Nork buildings constructed?

Posted by: John F'ing Kerry at May 23, 2010 02:57 PM (Acgmr)

Norks are ridiculously bad at everything except 1950s-era military Stuff:  Mass infantry assaults at night, elaborate trenches and bunkers, artillery barrages, etc

They're already starving themselves, so it might be difficult to 'starve them out'

42 I'm going to go out on a limb and say that South Korea knew that North Korea was responsible for the sinking when it happened. North Korea and the U.S. didn't want to acknowledge this act of war at the time because they either had no response prepared for this kind of situation, or just chose not to respond at all to avoid escalation. If you don't finally kick the bully's ass, he's going to keep giving you a black eye on a regualar basis. 

43 I think I picked up runningrn's habit of keeping dirty socks on.

44

Also, many of the morons are visiting Vietnam right now so they can make the truthful statement "when I returned from Vietnam..."

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at May 23, 2010 02:42 PM (RZ8pf)



I am a veteran of Battlefield Vietnam for PC. Does that count ?

45 I keep hearing about all those "artillery tubes" and how they will devastate Seoul. If we wanted to they could be taken out readily.  It just takes the will do so.

That is something we have had very little of, especially when there is a Dem/commie in the WH.

46 Kim'll probably get the Nobel Peace Prize some year soon, so maybe we'll take him out at the ceremony...

47 Who cares what Lil' Kim knew or didn't know or did or didn't do?  I have been amazed by this insane coverage.  This is what national sovereignty is all about.  The norks did it.  Period.  They declared war by violating the cease fire.

And the traitors in the White House and their MFM are running asking what Lil' Kim knew ... OOooooh.

48 Out of vague curiosity, what exactly would it take to be considered an act of war?  Because it sure as hell seems everything up to and including a nuclear strike only gets a sternly worded letter.

49 Please notice that CNN is calling Vanunu, who gave away Israeli nuclear secrets, a "whistleblower"....How low can CNN go...to hell I say.

50


Wassa Happenin' Hot Stuff !

51 43 I think I picked up runningrn's habit of keeping dirty socks on.

 

Heh!  You can join me at Dirty Sock Anonymous, the 12 step recovery program for people afflicted with said condition.

52

ItÂ’s been rumored she also provided a lap dance, and in the privacy of the palace, gave little Kim his first American blowjob.  Maddy is revered in North Korea as a woman of immense talent. 

 

No wonder Kim Jung Il is hellbent on revenge!  A lapdance by Beetlejuice, can you think of anything more gruesome?

53

No More Yankie My Wankie ! The Jonger Need Food !

54 South Korea has decided to keep this quiet until the U.S. regains control of the White House.

55 #37  Seriously, how likely is it that NK hasn't sold a nuke of some kind to Iran?

The operational relationship between the Norks and the Iranians has grown exponentially over the past few years, but I don't think the Norks would out-and-out sell a nuke to Iran.  What I think is occurring is the Iranians are building nukes with Nork tech and the Norks are testing the design for them.

And the Norks have a good relationship with Syria, remember the Israeli strike on the nascent Syrian reactor in 2007?

56 Dude is just not gonna go out without a bang.  The closer to death this guy is, the more likely the attacks ramp up. 

57

No wonder Kim Jung Il is hellbent on revenge!  A lapdance by Beetlejuice, can you think of anything more gruesome?

Posted by: runningrn at May 23, 2010 03:06 PM (CfmlF




Only Helen Thomas stripping down to her birthday suit could possibly top that.

Brain bleach not included.

58

Visiting virtually through maps.google.com counts, right?

 

 

That there qualifies as serving in combat!

59

Profiling people because their socks are dirty will tear this country asunder.

Arizona will become a sanctuary only for people with clean WHITE socks.

60

Only Helen Thomas stripping down to her birthday suit could possibly top that.

 

Why does Blazer hate the Moron nation?

61 And the Norks have a good relationship with Syria, remember the Israeli strike on the nascent Syrian reactor in 2007?

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 23, 2010 03:07 PM (Acgmr)

Wait, What?

62

I keep hearing about all those "artillery tubes" and how they will devastate Seoul. If we wanted to they could be taken out readily.  It just takes the will do so.

That is something we have had very little of, especially when there is a Dem/commie in the WH.

How do you "readily" take out thousands of entrenched artillery guns before they unload on Seoul?  Nukes aren't really an option.

63 Maybe if North Korea had immigrants, they could really annoy the Obama administration by threatening Arizona-style immigration restrictions, rather than their typical "shoot on sight" or "kidnap for ransom" protocol.

64 #44 I am a veteran of Battlefield Vietnam for PC. Does that count ?

Ha, I got you all beat, as the ex-God of War. 

45 I keep hearing about all those "artillery tubes" and how they will devastate Seoul. If we wanted to they could be taken out readily.  It just takes the will do so.

Right.  And how good are Nork shells anyway?  If even 10% are still operational it would bring great carnage to Seoul, but it wouldn't be as apocalyptic as some would suggest.

65 I am sure he is guilty.  Nobody will do anything about it because he is a nut case with nukes.  So just forget about it.  Same with Iran.  The psychos have figured us out.  In the end, they know we will do nothing.  If I were a Jew in Israel, I would be getting ready to move here. They are going to be attacked, and they will respond in kind, which will cause an even greater response in return.  Obama will do nothing and that will be that, Israel as we know it is gone. 

The Islamists know their best opportunity to pull this off is at hand, and sadly the so-called "international community", including China and Russia, will be fine with whatever happens.  We might as well get out of S. Korea, we should give them a few nukes and a missile shield and wish them the best of luck.

66 56 Dude is just not gonna go out without a bang.  The closer to death this guy is, the more likely the attacks ramp up.

Some people just want to watch the world burn.

67

How do you "readily" take out thousands of entrenched artillery guns before they unload on Seoul?  Nukes aren't really an option.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 23, 2010 03:10 PM (plsiE)

A-10's, Apaches and trench to trench fighting. Brutal, but necessary

68 "I will not tolerate more finger pointing or irresponsibility."

69 Also, many of the morons are visiting Vietnam right now so they can make the truthful statement "when I returned from Vietnam..." Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle

Cool. That means I was deep in the shit in Cambodia ... but, you know, hush-hush.
( now where'd I put my lucky hat? )

70

_{Good luck with that op:  Kim lives mostly in several Luxury Underground Bunkers}

The Humanitarian Horror is that they were built without an Organized Labor Force! 

 

71


I know how to resolve this. Kim Jong is hungry right ?

Big Mac Summit !

72 71


I know how to resolve this. Kim Jong is hungry right ?

Big Mac Summit !

Posted by: Barack Obama at May 23, 2010 03:14 PM (t72+4)

with no salt or Happy Meals, beyotches!

73 I wonder what those West Point graduates were thinking, listening to Obama and knowing that he is ignoring what indeed is an act of war in Korea, literally as he spoke.

By the way, Memorial Day is fast approaching, isn't it about time for another Maui ice-cream hideaway & golf holiday for our esteemed Leader of the Free World?

74 Doesn't Kim have a bunch of weird hobbies/fetishes/whatever? I think I remember him being a freak about a bunch of things. We oughta go with a variation of the "poisoned cigar for Castro" story one sometimes hears. (Or was it an exploding seashell that he was supposed to pick up on the beach?). Anyway, maybe we can get an irradiated Jonas Brothers bobble-head into his hands or something... Or maybe an exploding IPad? Everybody loves IPads.

75 Some people just want to watch the world burn.

I've talked to a bunch of my lefty friends who just can't accept that there are people who really really do want to see the world at war.  Reality based my ass.

76 Doesn't Kim have a bunch of weird hobbies/fetishes/whatever? I think I remember him being a freak about a bunch of things. We oughta go with a variation of the "poisoned cigar for Castro" story one sometimes hears. (Or was it an exploding seashell that he was supposed to pick up on the beach?).

Anyway, maybe we can get an irradiated Jonas Brothers bobble-head into his hands or something... Or maybe an exploding IPad? Everybody loves IPads.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 23, 2010 03:18 PM (qSRHZ)

Rumor has it  he is a hardcore aficionado of American porn and Cognac.

77
Norks are ridiculously bad at everything except 1950s-era military Stuff
Au contraire mon frere, North Korea is boldly leading by example, showing the world how we all (well, you all, not me and my friends) must live to heal the planet.

78

54 South Korea has decided to keep this quiet until the U.S. regains control of the White House.

 

I laughed, I cried, etc.. very funny!

79

I don't know any of the details. I was deep in the rough of the 14th...er, um...I was focused on Jobs Creation.  Like a Laser. 

 But one thing I know, is this. It is clear that the South Korean Vessel acted Stupidly.

 I have invited it and the NorK Sub over for a Beer Summit at the Crib.

I one!  Go Sycacuse!

Obi-Out -

80

Also, I believe he once had a South Korean actress kidnapped and snuck into the North after he took a pining to her.

81 Col. of Truth Ace O'Spades:

See; this is a "very smart military blog" after all!

82

Oh, yeah. 

Go Blackhawks!

I have been a fan of Lacrosse ever since my racist grandmother told me it was a sport for white people. 

83 At this point, going out for Vietnamese food probably counts.

84
What we should be asking ourselves is this: I wonder what Poland thinks about all this?

Obama is showing our friends and allies just how much he cares when they are attacked. Remember that missile shield? Remember how Obama and Hillary promised the Eastern Europeans something even better than the missile shield? Yeah, well how's that coming along?

85 A Sunday Ace sighting? He must have forgotten to wind his calendar...

86 #76  Rumor has it  he is a hardcore aficionado of American porn and Cognac.

And an amateur film-maker.

87
Woa-Oh Brack Bretty......Bam-Aram.....


Woa-Oh Brack Bretty......Bam-Aram.....

88 Send over a Virginia class attack sub and sink all their subs and surface ships. I think they'll get the meaasge

89

_{A Sunday Ace sighting? He must have forgotten to wind his calendar...}

Don't spook him...he still has another Post about this to put up!

90
Rumor has it  he is a hardcore aficionado of American porn and Cognac.

So...he's one of us?

91 screw the koreans- they're ungrateful-like the french- didn't they boycot american beef? Japan is a different story- love them post war.

92
brb...

93

I know, Asian people really love Karaoke right ? Amirite ?


Karaoke Summit !


Rahm, break out the Village People and the Bee Gees !

94

Roose rips sink ships. 

War with North Korea would need to be a war of extermination.  Nearly every man, woman, and child in that nation has been brainwashed into that cult.  There must be a sorority of booby traps wired throughout the nation, not to mention Gladio forces in every hamlet.  The simple solution would be to employ biological or chemical weapons--this could easily be attributed to carelessness on behalf of the North Koreans, who most likely maintain stockpiles. 

95

86 #76  Rumor has it  he is a hardcore aficionado of American porn and Cognac.

 Courvasier?

96

A-10's, Apaches and trench to trench fighting. Brutal, but necessary

They're believed to have around 13,000 artillery pieces at the border.  Assuming each fired a mere 3 rounds per minute, that's 39,000 artillery shells hitting Seoul a minute.  Over 2.3 million shells an hour, or 650 a second.

They also have a shitton of anti-aircraft missiles, which aircraft like A-10's and Apaches would be particularly vulnerable to.

Sure, all that could be dealt with eventually, but not before most of Seoul was a smoldering ruin.

97 There was never any real doubt that the Norks were behind it; the South Koreans probably knew within ten minutes of the attack that the North was behind it. That's not the problem. The problem is: what to do about it? If it were as simple as retaliation, the South would already have done something proportional: sank a Nork sub, or attacked a Northern cutter or destroyer. It's the way the game is played there, and has been for fifty years. But this is a different situation -- Kim Jong-Il is ailing, and trying mightily to get the military establishment to accept his son as the next dictator. There's been some rumblings that the Army is turning on Kim, thinking that he's losing his grip on the country as his health fades. This action was probably a way for him to re-establish credibility with his generals and to smooth the way for his son. From the South's perspective, though, it raises the difficult issue of how to retaliate without provoking a full-scale war. The North is always making blood-curdling threats and dire-sounding pronouncements, but something about this newest situation has put the South on guard more than usual. I think that's why they went to the trouble of having the torpedo fragments analyzed by four different experts to prove that the North was behind it -- there is a hope, however faint, that the UN will force China to crack down on the Norks. It's unlikely to happen: China's #1 security concern right now is the collapse of the North Korean state, and the inevitable flood of refugees into their country. They will go to almost any lengths to prevent that outcome. They also don't want a re-unified Korea as a NATO ally, either -- having South Korean soldiers north of the 58th parallel would alarm the Chinese greatly.

98 South Korea has decided to keep this quiet until the U.S. regains control of the White House.

Threadwinner, t-bird.

99

They're believed to have around 13,000 artillery pieces at the border.  Assuming each fired a mere 3 rounds per minute, that's 39,000 artillery shells hitting Seoul a minute.  Over 2.3 million shells an hour, or 650 a second.

They also have a shitton of anti-aircraft missiles, which aircraft like A-10's and Apaches would be particularly vulnerable to.

Sure, all that could be dealt with eventually, but not before most of Seoul was a smoldering ruin.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 23, 2010 03:30 PM (plsiE)

If any situation called for tactical nukes this is it, but it would never happen. Airborne assault is the only answer. Seoul would burn, no way around that.

100

How do you "readily" take out thousands of entrenched artillery guns before they unload on Seoul?  Nukes aren't really an option.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 23, 2010 03:10 PM (plsiE)

Like most dictatorial regimes, the NORK Command & Control is probably antiquated and inadequate for mass communication within a small time frame. Simplistically so, they don't know what they don't know.

I am not suggesting it would be a cake walk, but in a country with death for failure to perform and also for performing without a direct order, the chaos within the NORK military if they were attacked could be strategically advantageous to the invading force. 

To wit:  IraqÂ’s Republican Guard – Buffoonish, amateurish, and vulnerable. 

 

101

_{Good luck with that op:  Kim lives mostly in several Luxury Underground Bunkers}

The Humanitarian Horror is that they were built without an Organized Labor Force! 

 

heh!  I think if we sent a bunch of the purple people beaters over there, SEIU could have Kim Jung Il on his knees!

 

102

Sure, all that could be dealt with eventually, but not before most of Seoul was a smoldering ruin.

 

Zero putted while Seoul burned?

103 Yikes, worse than a lingering old sock, an unintentional I don't know what hanging on to my handle!

104 If any situation called for tactical nukes this is it, but it would never happen. I dunno. I don't think the South is going to just accept the loss of Seoul as the price of defeating the North. Korea, like Japan, is fully capable of producing nuclear weapons -- I've long wondered if they don't have a cache of 20kT devices specifically designed to take out the Nork gun emplacements. I doubt it -- I don't think they could keep it a secret -- but you never know. Absent tactical nuclear warheads, the only alternative would be a massive, pre-emptive strike on the Nork gun emplacements. It would have to be a massive air operation, with redundant strikes of the bunkers. And the South would have to invade as a follow-up, but I'm not sure they could stage such a huge operation without the North knowing about it. I guess you could go all Hollywood and theorize about teams of special-ops guys sabotaging the guns, but I don't think that would have a prayer of succeeding in reality.

105 @99 Blazer:

The Blue House isn't all that keen on Seoul burning, so we're stuck with negotiations.

This is the bit that no-one ever speaks of in NK/SK relations, because to do so would admit that NK has a power to destroy Seoul that cannot be eliminated prior to the first shell being fired.  Even in the flight time of your tactical nukes Seoul is still taking hundreds of round per second.

106

Right.  And how good are Nork shells anyway?  If even 10% are still operational it would bring great carnage to Seoul, but it wouldn't be as apocalyptic as some would suggest.

Several defectors have stated that the shells loaded in the artillery are chemical rounds. Kim isn't playing around. We will win but there will be serious devestation beforehand.

107
They're believed to have around 13,000 artillery pieces at the border.
OK, that means there is only one option. Send in Jane Fonda, stat!

108 I dunno. I don't think the South is going to just accept the loss of Seoul as the price of defeating the North. Korea, like Japan, is fully capable of producing nuclear weapons -- I've long wondered if they don't have a cache of 20kT devices specifically designed to take out the Nork gun emplacements. I doubt it -- I don't think they could keep it a secret -- but you never know.

Absent tactical nuclear warheads, the only alternative would be a massive, pre-emptive strike on the Nork gun emplacements. It would have to be a massive air operation, with redundant strikes of the bunkers. And the South would have to invade as a follow-up, but I'm not sure they could stage such a huge operation without the North knowing about it.

I guess you could go all Hollywood and theorize about teams of special-ops guys sabotaging the guns, but I don't think that would have a prayer of succeeding in reality.

Posted by: Monty at May 23, 2010 03:38 PM (O3eFQ)

The problem there is the DMZ itself. It is a virtual wasteland filled with booby traps, anti-tank and anti-personnel mines and all sorts of horrors. For whoever was unfortunate to venture in there on either side it would be like shooting fish in a barrel.

109

_{heh!  I think if we sent a bunch of the purple people beaters over there, SEIU could have Kim Jung Il on his knees!}

On my home Plant Fognl, you'd be ostracized  for employing scabs like that!

I'd get some Blach, take Kim to "Hekma", and when he passed out from being wasted, I'd take a picture with my Jagon in his mouth while I fingered his Thrusher!

110
Even in the flight time of your tactical nukes Seoul is still taking hundreds of round per second.

Posted by: Captain Ned at May 23, 2010 03:40 PM (P1/uX)

The tactical nukes I was speaking of are artillery fired. Not sure if we even still have those anymore. Perhaps another moron can put me some knowledge.

111 Back when I was serving @ #1 Pho Restaurant, the Sriracha  sauce bottles were only half full.  Some of them were only 1/4 full.  We can't have that this time around.  We have to treat our serving men and women better.

112

@111,

We don't have those anymore.  That was the Davy Crockett system.

113 I'm sure a strongly worded letter is on the way.

And do you really believe Opussy would respond if the NORKs attacked the south/ Even if our troops were in harm's way/

114

The tactical nukes I was speaking of are artillery fired. Not sure if we even still have those anymore. Perhaps another moron can put me some knowledge.

To my knowledge, all nukes were removed from the peninsula in 1992 per GHW Bush. Not exactly sure when, I left in July 91 and we still had them at the air base I was at. As far as having them at all, someone that served in the army would have to answer that. 

115 #111  The tactical nukes I was speaking of are artillery fired. Not sure if we even still have those anymore. Perhaps another moron can put me some knowledge.

That center of knowledge, wiki, says no. 

In 1991 the US unilaterally withdrew its nuclear artillery shells from service, and Russia responded in kind in 1992. The US removed around 1,300 nuclear shells from Europe and reportedly dismantled its last shells by 2003. Focus has since moved to development of nuclear bunker buster munitions.

116 Does anyone know if the South Koreans have an evacuation plan for Seoul?  If war is inevitable, and it's pretty clearly underway if the norks have no problem sinking South Korean ships, it seems you'd want to at least get people out of the way.  And/or conscript/reenlist them.

117 117 Does anyone know if the South Koreans have an evacuation plan for Seoul?  If war is inevitable, and it's pretty clearly underway if the norks have no problem sinking South Korean ships, it seems you'd want to at least get people out of the way.  And/or conscript/reenlist them.

Seoul's population is approximately 10 million people.  If the Norks launched a first-strike attack and used their WMDs, there wouldn't enough time to evacuate everybody.

118 The Norks merely misfired. Everyone go back to what you were doing.

119

 Does anyone know if the South Koreans have an evacuation plan for Seoul? 

Posted by: Methos at May 23, 2010 03:50 PM (Xsi7M)

There aren't enought Puerto Rican suitcases (cardboard boxes) in the world to move papasan, mamasan, and the other sans to safety.  They're screwed!

120

Does anyone know if the South Koreans have an evacuation plan for Seoul?  If war is inevitable, and it's pretty clearly underway if the norks have no problem sinking South Korean ships, it seems you'd want to at least get people out of the way.  And/or conscript/reenlist them.

If you've ever been there during the Chu Sok holiday weekend, you'd know what a clusterfuck that would be. A normal 5-6 hour trip from Seoul to Pusan takes 15-16 hours. Add that to the fact that many of the overpasses are built to collapse easily for tank barriers and many people will die.

121

What a "strongly-worded letter" would look like if Sarah Palin was President:

Awwww, cute little diesel-electric subs you got there.  Be a shame if something was to happen to some of them, you know?  How fast can they go under water, anyway - 12 knots?  For what, 24 hours?

Tough for them to run away from something that goes 50 knots underwater, Kimmy.  Forever. 

You betcha.

122 117 Does anyone know if the South Koreans have an evacuation plan for Seoul? 

Posted by: Methos at May 23, 2010 03:50 PM (Xsi7M)

You can't evacuate 10 million people.  It would take weeks. 

And everyone who's talking about tactical nukes on those artillery positions, they're not all bunched up in one spot.  You'd have to use hundreds of nukes, 25 miles away from a city of 10 million people. 

When the war ended almost 60 years ago, why the hell didn't they move the capital all the way to Pusan in the south and encourage growth there.  Not right on the border.

123 I meant evacuation before the South Koreans retaliated as a "precautionary measure."  Though that sounds impractical.  Do they have bomb shelters or anything?  I guess what I'm asking is if they've spent the last half a century under the assumption the problem would go away or if they've made preparations for the worst.

124

Besides, the assumption that Seoul is immediately going to be hammered with artillery is erroneous.  You've got our Cavalry at Camp Garry Owen, Infantry and Armor at Camps Casey and Hovey, 2nd ID HQ at Camp Red Cloud near Uijongbu - all of these are between the DMZ and Seoul, and that's just some of our facilities.

All of 'em are positioned to block the Chorwon Valley, which is the only route an invasion force can take, since the eastern half of the country is all mountains.  All of these, plus the ROK military installations I haven't addressed are going to be the priority targets.

And all those tubes don't have to be taken out with indirect fire, they just have to be suppressed.  We can do that with conventionally artillery, high-altitude saturation bombing, or even some low-yield nukes, if it came to that.  That gives our grunts the opportunity to get reinforced from the south, blow a breach through the Norks' side of the DMZ, get to those artillery crews and ask them if they could please knock it off.

125 124 Methos - The smart evac plan would have been right after the war.  Then the population would have some breathing room, and not destroy the economy by moving 10+million people.

126 125 Jeff - What's the range on the North's guns?  I thought all they had to do was pull the trigger.  Seoul is only 25 miles away.

127

Does anyone know if the South Koreans have an evacuation plan for Seoul?  If war is inevitable, and it's pretty clearly underway if the norks have no problem sinking South Korean ships, it seems you'd want to at least get people out of the way.  And/or conscript/reenlist them.

They probably do... but it's a city of 10 million people.

No one is going to war over one ship.  The Norks are probably just looking for more blackmail, and have to stir shit up once in a while to portray themselves as a threat.

Regime survival is their main motivation.  A war against the South would seriously endanger that.  Considering the stakes involved, there's good reason that our policy has been one of containment since the Korean War.

Also, the Chinese wouldn't look kindly on an attack by the North that could lead to many thousands of North Korean refugees trying to flee to China.

128 The UN is issuing a tersly worded condemnation and The Pantsuit is passing out teddy bears in China. They have a plan people, quit yer bitchin'!!

129

Further complicating any evacuation of Seoul is the fact that their public sector is riddled with North Korean sleeper agents.  In the year I was there, they caught two - one was a university professor and the other was in charge of Seoul's subway system!

These people are in place to cause as much sabotage, terror and general fuckery as they can commit once the balloon goes up.  And they look just like the South Koreans.

130
The UN has harder harsher words for Arizona than they have for North Korea.

131

When I served in and/or returned from Vietnam, we used to call that an act of war.

When I went to Harvard, we called it contumelious and flagitious.*

 

^{*My girlfriend drove me past Harvard once when I visited her.}

132

-->No one is going to war over one ship.

Within a cease fire? It only takes one act to start, or restart, a war.

-->The Norks are probably just looking for more blackmail, and have to stir shit up once in a while to portray themselves as a threat.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 23, 2010 04:06 PM (plsiE)

"portray themselves as a threat"? I think they've demonstrated the realization of that threat.

133

Hey, you know who's a real threat?

Jan Brewer, thats who !

134 129 The UN is issuing a tersly worded condemnation and The Pantsuit is passing out teddy bears in China. They have a plan people, quit yer bitchin'!!

Unless the "plan" involves secretly smuggling teddy-bear suicide squads to NK to take out Lil' Kim, it's not working.

135 The lefties like to claim that they are negotiators, but they ignore written agreements.  That's called "submission" in most parts of the world, and one very aggressive part has named its political ideology after the concept.  Good times.

136

125 Jeff - What's the range on the North's guns?  I thought all they had to do was pull the trigger.  Seoul is only 25 miles away.

Long enough.  When I got to Camp Hovey, my welcome briefing started with these words:  "Welcome to the Republic of Korea.  You are living on a registered artillery target.  The average flight time for a shell fired from just north of the DMZ is thirty seconds from when they pull the lanyard, which means there'll already be another in the air by the time the first one arrives.   We have alert sirens, but you'll probably never hear them.  You'll know we're at war when the building you're sleeping in explodes."

137 Obama and hilliary have harsher words for Arizona than north korea

138
This is what I'm listening to right now.


I'm telling you right now you won't like the video. But it's pretty good and it'll make you think...and remember what it's like to be a little kid.

139 "You'll know we're at war when the building you're sleeping in explodes."

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 23, 2010 04:13 PM (xGIqT)

or ... if the Norks torpedo one of our ships ... but, we'll keep feeding them and ignore that ... until your building explodes totally without warning, anyway.

140 North Korea is an exemplar of what happens when ya don't finish the job when you can

141 If this isn't the greatest title ever of an article about the AQ idjit who blowed hisself up recently, my name isn't Theresa D.

^{(_{and it is...})}

"Population of Smithereens Increased By 1"

142 Me likely new weapon/surveillance tech.

Launch of secret US space ship masks even more secret launch of new weapon

The X37B can stay in orbit for up to 270 days, whereas the Shuttle can last only 16 days. This will provide the US with the ability to carry out experiments for long periods, including the testing of new laser weapon systems. This would bring accusations that the launch of X37B, and a second vehicle planned for later this year, could lead to the militarisation of space.

143 I'd just like to point out that here in America almost everybody has an indoor Moron-throne now.  Unfortunately there's no non-megadeath way to shit or get off it re. NKor.

144

No one is going to war over one ship.  The Norks are probably just looking for more blackmail, and have to stir shit up once in a while to portray themselves as a threat.

That's true, but for probably a different reason than you think.  They're saving face, plain and simple.  The South hit them and now they're hitting back. 

Plus, this low-intensity shit goes on all the time over there, but it doesn't make the international press.  In the summer of 1997, I was doing a QRF rotation with my platoon at Warrior Base up near the DMZ.  There's rules for patrolling in the DMZ that both sides have agreed to, but which the Norks ignore.  One is no automatic weapons in the DMZ.  Another is you have to tell the other side when you are sending a patrol in there.

Well, the Norks sent a seven-man patrol in unannounced and when the ROK army outpost called out a warning for them to turn back, one of those dipshits raised his rifle and pointed it at the ROKs.  They lit him and his buddies up like a fucking Christmas tree.  A couple of hours later, the Norks sent some mortar rounds over the border (not close enough to us to feel, but close enough to hear), and shit got pretty tense for a while - all flights into and out of the country were cancelled. 

But then it cooled off like it always does.  Kim's insane, but he's not stupid.  He can't win and he knows it, but he can't afford to appear weak, either.

After my tour was over, I flew home, changing planes in Vietnam.  When I returned from Vietnam, they spit on me. Things got physical, even.

145

I'm thinking about defriending Kim on my Facebook page.

I'm going to check with Fidel, Hugo and Mahmoud first.

146

O/T:  I was reading about Megan Fox today, laughing about the apparent universal agreement that she's incredibly dumb, self-centered, and shallow.  Then it dawned on me:  Obama is the Megan Fox of presidents.  Granted, he's a bit smarter, but not much.  He's full of attitude, fear, arrogance, a haughty brand of ignorance, moral and intellectual hubris.  A major league version of Fox. 

That's my Frank Rich moment for the week.

147 second vehicle planned for later this year, could lead to the militarisation of space.

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 23, 2010 04:22 PM (Acgmr)

If you control the orbitals, you control the whole world.

148 No nobody is going to go to war over a ship. However, if they do not do something serious in reply the next thing will not be a ship. It will be something bigger.

We are back at that game we were talking about except that this is no longer politics. This is where it originated.  If you do not go into the tit-for-tat mode they will continue escalating until the SK can no longer do anything but total war.

Yes, this is a crazy game but Kim IS crazy up to a point. Plus he knows we have two wars going now and we have a pussy in the WH.  

149
heheheh, good ol' Bob.

What's next, what's next, what's next?!?!?!

150 Does this mean I won't get my cheese? Drew?

151 I remember when I was on the beaches of Normandy.....


_visiting

152 O/T: Oh the irony, it burns!#$&%!

Beijing plans curbs on number of foreigners working in China

153

That's true, but for probably a different reason than you think.  They're saving face, plain and simple.  The South hit them and now they're hitting back. 

Plus, this low-intensity shit goes on all the time over there, but it doesn't make the international press. 

Yeah, I've heard of various "skirmishes" and such happen quite a bit, be it from ground troops, naval vessels, or artillery.  The sinking of a ship is serious, but hardly the first engagement since the cease-fire.

I'm sure that "saving face" does have a lot to do with it, but that doesn't really contradict the desire to build themselves up as an imminent threat that must be placated through "aid" from South Korea and the West.

A full-fledged invasion from the North wouldn't be pretty; I'm not sure they'd be stopped before occupying Seoul if they launced a surprise attack.  However, I doubt they'll try anytime soon- they know that the US wouldn't allow the Kim regime to remain in power were they to try.

154

How do you "readily" take out thousands of entrenched artillery guns before they unload on Seoul?  Nukes aren't really an option.

Hollowpoint

Thermobaric weapons, Air Fuel Explosives.  Lots of them.

155

What 145 said.

Although no mention of being called a baby killing, brainwashed, war machine lackey huh?  When I returned from my three tours of duty in 'Nam I got called that...and then they spit on me (hippie spit stains like hell too, let me tell ya, smells like patchouli).

156 Did I ever tell you guys about the time I parachuted into N. Vietnam?  True story!  Place was crawlin' with little guys in funny hats and pajamas.  The food was great though, but not as good as Katie's.

I'm ready to take out ol' Kim any time.  I mean it!  As soon as The Boss gives the word, I'm on it.  Wish me luck!

157 <holding gun to head of Seoul>

One wong move and she gets it, now I want Paris Hirton and Rinssy Rohan arong rit 2500 tabrets of Viagla.

Don't make a maniac outta me!!

158

Let me just say that the South Koreans deserve a gold medal and lots and lots of smiley faces for practicing courageous restraint.

159 #158 One wong move and she gets it, now I want Paris Hirton and Rinssy Rohan arong rit 2500 tabrets of Viagla.

Done.  Enjoy the herpes, warts, and syphilis

160 Be interesting to hear from Tom in S. Korea right about now.

161


I just took Kim off of my top ten friends list on Myspace.


Too harsh ?

162 I hope the South Koreans don't behave stupidly.  I'll have to issue them a strongly worded warning.  Right after I sink this putt.

163 He must be ronery.

164

O/T:  I was reading about Megan Fox today, laughing about the apparent universal agreement that she's incredibly dumb, self-centered, and shallow.  Then it dawned on me:  Obama is the Megan Fox of presidents.  Granted, he's a bit smarter, but not much.  He's full of attitude, fear, arrogance, a haughty brand of ignorance, moral and intellectual hubris.  A major league version of Fox. 

Posted by: rdbrewer at May 23, 2010 04:32 PM (Fyd+O)

You'd hit Baracky?  You're a sick bastard.

165
I think the response to the Nork attack will be increased banking sanctions, and the unexplainable disappearance of the remaining Nork subs shortly after leaving port. 

Banking sanctions can be negotiated away, and they give Kim and his Generals and very close friends a severe case of chapped ass. But they appear to be really wussy responses to a severe situation, so they can easily mask the disappearance of the Nork subs. 

The odds of the Norks publicly accusing anyone of sinking their subs is low; too much loss of face and we could simply point to their lack of training / maintenance as the real cause.

166
Also, I told Michelle to scratch Kim's name off of the Whitehouse Christmas card list.


That'll teach him !

167 150 Gotta love bob.

168 162  No dear, now why don't you run along and go play putt putt with your buddies Joe and Gibby; remember to wash your hands before dinner.

169 So Ronery.

170

166 Yeah, and it might be something China would get behind.  While they don't want a bunch of Nork refugees flooding over their border; they also can't be thrilled that their boy Kimmy is pushing the buttons to cause just that inevitability. 

Now would be the time to have a nice little chat with the Chinese about reining in their ronery bad boy -- too bad Hillary doesn't seem anywhere near up to the task.  Probably give them a reset button from Staples labelled "bite me" by mistake...

171



Now You've Done It !No Shrimp Flavored Top Ramen For You Kim !

172 The  riposte to this allegation (found via www.kcna.co.jp*) is a delight to read.

*Only blood shot eyed, dirty fingered brigands, riff-raffs, human scum and puppet forces hyperlink.

173 I'm a big fan of that new space vehicle/weapons delivery system that can stay up for hundreds of days, but can you imagine if a Repub. was in the Oval Office? He'd be called "President Death Star!!!" in every headline and the old anti-war/anti-bomb zipperheads would be massing by the millions.

174 I also served in Vietnam. I was at Sang Bang and Dang Now. My Code name was Agent Orange,

175 "...they ruled out the idea that General Kim or another military officer decided on his own to attack, but they did not explain how they reached that conclusion."

Huh?  Give me a fucking break!  NO ONE in the NK Army or Navy takes a shit without first consulting with Dear Leader.

176 174 I'm a big fan of that new space vehicle/weapons delivery system that can stay up for hundreds of days, but can you imagine if a Repub. was in the Oval Office? He'd be called "President Death Star!!!" in every headline and the old anti-war/anti-bomb zipperheads would be massing by the millions.

Or President Bomb-Rack O-bomba, or some crap like that.

/Like Ronny Raygun.

177 While they don't want a bunch of Nork refugees flooding over their border; 

Posted by: unknown jane at May 23, 2010 05:07 PM (5/yRG)

I don't think the Chinese would have any problem stopping Norks from crossing the border.

This problem with Lil' Kim just gets worse and worse with every passing minute. Seoul isn't getting any smaller and the Norks aren't getting any weaker, in missile/nuke terms.  Once we let them go nuclear, it seems to have been all over.  We might as well just give Lil' Kim the South.  ANd China might as well take Taiwan, already, to stop any guessing people have to do about that.  The US would never react in either of those situations, and the world is starting to figure that out.

178

Have no fear folks the new space vehicle was sent up on my orders to spy on and possibly take out the Peoples Republic of Arizona.

Now watch this putt.

179 171  Does China need to know about the disappearance of the Nork subs? Right now, they probably don't have the technology to track us, and Kim is very unlikely to say anything, since there's not enough Viagra in Korea to maintain his appearance.


The problem I see with China is that they don't want a unified Korean Peninsula, except under a Chinese vassal state.  I doubt that South Korea will go along with this.  The North leaders have to, since they can't make their state work and the alternative is a grizzly end for them and their families. Some sort of coup in N Korea might make unification possible, but I expect 20 or so PLA divisions will see things differently. We're stuck with a divided Korea for the foreseeable future.

Will China go along with sanctions? It's tough to tell.  The Big 0 hasn't got enough diplomacy-fu to coax China to go along if China doesn;t want to, and sanctions would likely mean more refugees.  Kim might even start, if he isn't already, sending refugees into China to get China to see things his way.

180 An act of war? O come on, can't you forgive him?

181


I sent the North Koreans a unicorn as an act of friendship.


They ate him.

182 181 An act of war?

O come on, can't you forgive him?

Not about forgiveness.

183 An aside; a mistatement is when one says a word one did not mean and the mistatement is usually obvious to everyone present as the word does not fit within the known context of the person or what they're speaking about.

Blumenthal, as has been noted by the Media (what a shock huh? What does the NYT have against Blumental may be the bigger story), repeatedly and in different contexts and using different words conveyed an IDEA a PERCEPTION coldly calculated to accrue 'veteran warrior' (and all that implies) as a part of his persona.

That's NOT a mistatement.

I personally consider THIS type of individual to be the actual 'CHICKEN HAWKS', due to the concurrence of the timing of their unwillingness to endure the threat/acuality of danger or loss of life/limb but who then wish to wrap themselves in the mantle of 'HERO' for their own selfish purposes well after the danger has passed, rather than those who gain deferrments for the period of danger but who then become proponents for sending others into a more current danger. At least those types are honest.

Don't find to many conservatives who do this though, do we?

184

Imperious Swine!  The people of north Korea will preserve the Juche as the universal economic system.  If the imperialist United States and their flunky regime in south Korea attempt to dislodge the great People's Army led by the wise military strategist Kim Jong Il, it will be boundlessly crushed! 

185 Well, when you look at this with an openness to nuance, you see that NORTH Korea is currently presumed to be our enemy, but isn't it true that it was the NORTH that fought to free the slaves in America? And isn't it further true that SOUTH Korea is most likely just an extension of the Confederacy????

186 In the year I was there, they caught two - one was a university professor and the other was in charge of Seoul's subway system!

Hard-left Communists in academia and the public sector?  How is that different from everywhere else on Earth?

187 184  Ok, what if I just say "he's a fucking liar"?

188 Hawks Win!!!!

189

189 Clearly our president was not rooting for the home town team.

and

WHOO HOOO!

 

190 Kim Jong Il authorized the attack? As the French would say, "But of course!" And like Obama, the French would most likely do nothing. Nothing will be done about this attack, and I would even go so far as to say that S Korea will probably be advised not to do anything either.

191 A-10's, Apaches and trench to trench fighting. Brutal, but necessary

Posted by: Blazer at May 23, 2010 03:12 PM (t72+4)

I got your back Blazer! (whips off sunglasses...and they go flying into bushes)

192 Ya know what South Korea should do? Take a clue from the movie "Blazing Saddle". In the middle of the night move Seoul as far south as possible out of artillary range. Problem solved.

193 A couple of years ago Teh Kookstar had a fascinating and scary set of photographs of NORK. I just spent a bunch of time searching my bookmarks (I really thought I bookmarked the page) and GIS to no avail.

Basically:

Lots of pics of 12 lane avenues occupied with only two trucks and maybe a jeep. Scary border guards. Big government buildings surrounded by empty streets. And the kicker -- all sorts of tank traps. Huge concrete blocks on every bridge ready to be toppled onto the roadway to prevent the northward movement of MBTs.

Funny thing -- just for shits & giggles I tried to log on there today and they actually welcomed me back!

I got banned there (supposedly) for saying George Bush was the worst president ever, while I was simply repeating the same stuff the anti-bush herbal healer acolytes spouted daily. I think it was really banned because I repeatedly mocked Dr. Herb.

I guess they need $$$ bad enough to let me back into the fold.

194 193 Ya know what South Korea should do? Take a clue from the movie "Blazing Saddle". In the middle of the night move Seoul as far south as possible out of artillary range. Problem solved.

They should have done that after the war. Bad, bad planning.  They probably thought the two Koreas would be reunited by now.

195 I'm officially on the Black Hawks bandwagon now.  Lets get Denis Savard his ring!

196 108
They're believed to have around 13,000 artillery pieces at the border.
OK, that means there is only one option. Send in Jane Fonda, stat!

Posted by: John F'n Kerry at May 23, 2010 03:41 PM (Oxen1)

Jane will direct anti-aircraft operations against the Imperialist Running Dogs!

197 All of this Korea stuff is taking the focus away from my fat kids and my garden.  Here I am working my fat ass off trying to help you people and your fat families.  Do you peons people think you could show a little gratitude?  Now leave me alone.  I'm having my back waxed.

198 "And like Obama, the French would most likely do nothing."

You impugn the French: they'd at least come up with a wry and quotable epigram.

199

You can terr by the way I move, I wark...... that Imma radies man, no time to tark........

200


lol

201 I was in Sang Bang. Dang Gong. I was all over the place!

202 we used to call that an act of war.
.. but now we have "Smart-Ass Diplomacy"

203

A moutain full of arty how does one take it out?

1. nuke bunker busters ToT

2. Napalm and willie pete.

3. mustard gas.

4. buy the floggin' mtn and ask the NorKs to vacate. 

204

Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil. 

Does she mean whale oil? 

205

You impugn the French: they'd at least come up with a wry and quotable epigram.

Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at May 23, 2010 06:11 PM (HdxfL)

"And I think, nonetheless, that history does not repeat itself, and it is very difficult to compare historical situations that differ, because history is not repetitive."

-- Jacques Chirac, at the 60th anniversary of D-Day at Normandy, doing his Biden impression

206 I tell ya, I could have sworn Dick "Stealth" Blumenthal and I were in 'Nam together.  Or maybe it was a dream.....help me out here, Jill baby.  We have anymore 'Nilla Wafers? 

207
"And I think, nonetheless, that history does not repeat itself, and it is very difficult to compare historical situations that differ, because history is not repetitive."



France invaded and occupied by Germany not once, but twice in the same century.

Nope, history certainly doesn't repeat itself Jaques.

208

200  It's unfortunate I just cleaned my keyboard....

209

"They lit him and his buddies up like a fucking Christmas tree."

This happens in Scranton all the time ( paws through bushes looking for his sunglasses).

210 Okay, I shot a what, 90?   Let's try some hoops.  Later, let's invite some retards special kids over for some bowling.

Tell Hillary to keep on Kim.  Don't call me unless it's reeaallly important.  'kay?

211


So North Korea did indeed sink South Korea's naval vessel ?


Looks like the lefts theory....... that this was just an unfortunate accident.........is all wet.

*puts on sunglasses*


YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH !!!!!!

212 Hi all, I am late to the party. Did Hillary send the teddy bears to the NORKS or the Chicoms? I can't keep track of who gets what toy.

213 #212  Looks like the lefts theory....... that this was just an unfortunate accident.........is all wet. sunk.

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH !!!!!!

FIFY.

214

So Palin says Obama is in bed with big oil, huh ?


Personally.....I think its more......like a SHELL game.


*puts on sunglasses*



YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH !!!!!!

215 robtr@213 

NORKS don't get toys, they (Kim-bob) get porn, liquor, Viagra.

Chicoms get cheap teddy bears.  The irony is, they're made in China and effin' loaded with lead.

216 Hi all, I am late to the party. Did Hillary send the teddy bears to the NORKS or the Chicoms? I can't keep track of who gets what toy.

Posted by: robtr at May 23, 2010 06:30 PM (fwSHf)

I think they're prepping the 'overcharged' button for another mission.

Smarts power.

217 A Republican just won a seat in Obama's home district for the first time in twenty years.


I'll bet.....you didn't know that......D'jou ?


*puts on sunglasses*



YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH !!!!!!

218

I have been given unprecedented, ( now there's a word you don't hear too much ) access to Oval Office meetings for my next Bestseller, "Barack is Great, And So am I". Here is a sample.

Hillary Clinton:   Mr. President, on this NoKor thing, I think I got some leftover stuffed Teddy Bears we can use here.

Robert Gates:    Mr. President we need to be resolute here and I think we should send some McDonald's Happy Meals, with toys, of course.

Leon Panetta:    Mr. President I'd recommend something from Taco Bell, but not the bean burrito. That or a pizza or wings.

Rahm Emmanuel:   Mr. President I'm all for a strong response, and Panda Express is cheap and fast.

David Axelrod:    Mr. President, our polls indicate In and Out is popular with the 21 to 34 demographic.

Robert Gibbs:    Mr. President the Press will see anything less than Buffalo Wild Wings as weak.

Vice President Biden:   Whoops, excuse me I thought this was the bathroom, damn GPS is on the fritz again.

Barack Obama:   So we're all agreed then? We'll sign on to whatever the UN Security Council decides? And everbody's agreed on cheeseburgers and fries for lunch? Hey Joe, we'll put this on the VP's budget line since this stuff is Top Secret.

Vice President Biden:   Right you are Chief, uh can I have extra pickles? 

219 Ya know this pervert Kim ain't worth this much time as the top tread on here.

220 When the war does start, the NORKs will experience shock and awe like the world has never seen before. The ROK military is no joke.

221 NORKS don't get toys, they (Kim-bob) get porn, liquor, Viagra.

Chicoms get cheap teddy bears.  The irony is, they're made in China and effin' loaded with lead.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 23, 2010 06:36 PM (UOM4

See that's the problem, we give the chicoms their own toys back. It's like regifting. The NORKS should have got the bears and the tax payers of America the overcharged button.

Hillary is screwing this up.

222 We cn haz nu thread?

223 I read a few years ago that the young people of South Korea said in surveys that they would fight against the US and for North Korea if it came to a shooting war.

The impression I'm getting from assorted google searches is that the people of South Korea just want to keep their heads down and hope it all goes away.  They don't want their politicians making any noise about this, and they don't want to talk about North Korea, even to tell their kids what a shithole their countrymen are living in.

It seems like they would rather live under a Korean dictatorship than under freedom assisted by Westerners.

I may also be being influenced by having heard a great deal of Asian prejudice lately.  (Asians against other folks, I mean.)

224

225, Kathleen Parker of all people had a pretty good take on it today, at least her brother did. It sums up my feelings anyways.

http://tinyurl.com/2ukpf75

 

225
Hey remember in 2005 when that fat little corrupt douchebag Mary Landrieu said she would 'punch President Bush in the nose' if he dared to say anything bad about how Louisianans were fucking up things after Katrina?

And she said in that cute little Shirley Temple precocious voice. Funny how she isn't critical of Obama and his gross neglect of the BP oil spill cleanup, isn't it?

226 Funny how she isn't critical of Obama and his gross neglect of the BP oil spill cleanup, isn't it?
Whores need lube.

227 223 We cn haz nu thread?

Posted by: lol moronette at May 23, 2010 06:44 PM (UOM4

228 #228  Whores need lube.

I'm going to have to bill you for a new keyboard, . 

229 Ed Anger, it isn't just the North that's riddled with deadfalls, bunkers, tunnels and assorted booby traps. South Korea is dug in like crazy, plus the entire part above Uijongbu is an endless series of valleys ringed by hills, with rice paddy floors - a nightmare for an invader.

All the bridges across the Imjin are wired with explosives. You can see the loops of det cord as you drive across the Freedom Bridge towards Warrior Base. It's a little creepy knowing that if it all goes down, they're blowing the bridges and you're stuck between North Korea and the river. At least until your ammo runs out.

230

 

me?

231

 

^

the weird thing?

You sick fucks get that.

232

 

maybe Monty will treat us to another parable

this time with a milf with big tits, though

233 234maybe Monty will treat us to another parable

this time with a milf with big tits, though

Nah, the milf idea is too boring.

234 What? No live blogging for the LOST finale?

235

Nah, the milf idea is too boring.

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 23, 2010 07:26 PM (Acgmr)

A Sword of Power with big tits?

236

 

RUDY is on tv.

good flick

never feels to warm me cockles

237

 

ahh jeez

feels?

238

 

We got a lot of LOSERS here? I like Lost.

Remember when 'Jewells' took exception to me calling her a Loser? Didn't mean nothin by it. Honest.

239 #237  A Sword of Power with big tits?

Swords don't need sheaths of flesh and fat to make them awesome.

240 236 What? No live blogging for the LOST finale?

I dunno how many morons are LOSTies.

I'm watching the show just to see how it ends. 

241

 

Blasphemer!

If I could I would strike you down where you stand, you heathenous child.

 

242

 

Never disrespect the Mammary.

Never.

243 Swords don't need sheaths of flesh and fat to make them awesome.

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 23, 2010 07:31 PM (Acgmr)

I'm not sure how to take that statement.

244

 

Forgive him, Holy Mammary, Mother of Boob. Fo he knows not what he does.

245 not that there is anything wrong with that

246 Swords don't need sheaths of flesh and fat to make them awesome.

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 23, 2010 07:31 PM (Acgmr)

Sheaths (I see what you did there) of flesh and silicone?

247 #248  Sheaths (I see what you did there) of flesh and silicone?

It was unintentional, I assure you.

248 I'm watching the show just to see how it ends. 

I'll admit to have never have missed an episode.

I was hooked the moment the guy got sucked into the jet engine.

I'm bracing for an emotional evening.

249 I'm bracing for an emotional evening.

Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at May 23, 2010 07:38 PM (iBTj9)

Is this like the last one forever or just the last one for awhile?

250

 

I liked Mr Ecko.

251
I'm bracing for an emotional evening.

Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at May 23, 2010 07:38 PM (iBTj9)

Perhaps someone will hold you afterwards.

252 Is this like the last one forever or just the last one for awhile?

Forever.

253 #251  Is this like the last one forever or just the last one for awhile?

It's the last one forever.

254 Favorite character on the show?  Jughead.

255 So it'll be back next year?

256 Favorite character on the show?  Jughead.

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 23, 2010 07:41 PM (Acgmr)

I've only seen it 2 or 3 times but the brunette with the smoking body and nice rack.

257 I'm not dead yet!

258 Favorite character on the show?  Jughead.

Heh.

I guess I like the bad boys. Locke, Sayid and Sawyer were always my favorites. I always thought Jack was a douche. And Kate needed to be bitch slapped every week just on principle. Claire was always so much hotter.

259

 

Here's what's gonna happen.

Desmond (in L.A.) is gonna gather everyone in some place and then use some sort of electromagnet on them.

Everyone will be transported back to before they went on Flight 815 and the future will somehow be changed.

260

 

Claire? You mean Julia.

261 Kate.

262 Yup

263 When I served in and/or returned was conceived in Vietnam, my mom used to call that an act of war  hot monkey sex.

FIFY

264

 

I like it when Freckle Face gets hurt. Can't stande her.

265

Here's what's gonna happen.

Desmond (in L.A.) is gonna gather everyone in some place and then use some sort of electromagnet on them.

Everyone will be transported back to before they went on Flight 815 and the future will somehow be changed.

Desmond is the fail safe

But there too much biblical stuff going on for the answer to be that simple.

I will be sorely disappointed if that's the best the writers can do.

266 You quote the NYT?

Ace, you filthy, ersatz republican, whore.

267

 

Kinda surprised Ana Lucia turned out to be a dirty cop.

268 269Kinda surprised Ana Lucia turned out to be a dirty cop.

Isn't that her sole role, playing some bad-ass woman?

269

 

hahaha @ eggmcmuffin

yeah, the norks torpedoing a SK naval ship is a theory. Hahahaha, you fuckstick.

A theory, it says! Hahahahhaahaha.

270

All the bridges across the Imjin are wired with explosives. You can see the loops of det cord as you drive across the Freedom Bridge towards Warrior Base. It's a little creepy knowing that if it all goes down, they're blowing the bridges and you're stuck between North Korea and the river. At least until your ammo runs out.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 23, 2010 07:15 PM (OWL33)

I've heard on good authority that if you're caught between the lines you shouldn't try to cut down any trees.

271

 

Um, they went into a little a backstory detail with Ana Lucia and she was tough but vulnerable. Not dirty or corruptable. Except of course when she murdered that creep who raped her.

272

I was hooked the moment the guy got sucked into the jet engine.

That part was pretty awesome...the part when the pilot got yanked out of the cockpit by the smoke monster was pretty good too...

273 I've heard on good authority that if you're caught between the lines you shouldn't try to cut down any trees.

Posted by: Ed Anger at May 23, 2010 07:53 PM (7+pP9)

Because of global warming?

274 Claire? You mean Julia.

Juliette?


Nope.  Claire.

275 I've heard on good authority that if you're caught between the lines you shouldn't try to cut down any trees.

Posted by: Ed Anger at May 23, 2010 07:53 PM (7+pP9)

That's a bummer, it's hard to resist the urge to start logging when you are in the middle of a gun fight.

276

 

Sun?

277 Kate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGlDkRjCtZk

278

Except of course when she murdered that creep who raped her.

He didn't rape her, he shot her and she was pregnant at the time and lost the baby...that's why she killed him.

279

 

Abby.

280

 

Abby who?

281

 

Abby somebody.

ahhh, ummm, Abby Normal.

282

 

He didn't rape her, he shot her and she was pregnant at the time and lost the baby

ohhhhhh, right, right.

283 Sun

284

 

Buffy?

285

 

Uncle Bill?

286

 

Chief?

287

 

McCloud!

288 By the way, did I mention that I hate FORTRAN?

289

 

great MST3K bit

290 Juliet

291

 

Anybody watching V?

What a dumb thing for ABC to stop episodes after 6 and then restart.

292 By the way, did I mention that I hate FORTRAN?

Posted by: chemjeff, currently in Fortran Hell at May 23, 2010 08:07 PM (Gk/wA)

Misty watercolor memorieeeeees...

293 Jeebus.  I go to dinner, come back, and the thread that will not die is still scrabbling around, like a spider.  A big, black, hairy spider.  The size of a dinner plate.  And it leaps, and grabs your face, and.....


Never mind.

294 By the way, did I mention that I hate FORTRAN?

TAB - space - space, bitch!

295 Palin has called out Obama on his connections to Big Oil, citing BP's campaign contributions to him. Will the mfm's jihad against Palin cause them to to report those contributions?

296 296 Jeebus.  I go to dinner, come back, and the thread that will not die is still scrabbling around, like a spider.  A big, black, hairy spider.  The size of a dinner plate.  And it leaps, and grabs your face, and.....

That's not a spider, that's a facehugger.

297 #298  I've taken care of her.  Now go away.  The One is trying to enjoy his wagyu beef, peons.

298 293 Juliet link no work

299 'cause you'll need the bark on them for nutrition for the next eight years while the Precedent figures out how to surrender 'with dignity'. If you have a tree you like, you can keep that tree.

Posted by: Upscale Community Organizing Thought Criminal at May 23, 2010 08:01 PM (IhHdM)

Say can I have some of your purple berries?

300 grrr...

Juilet. 

301 I went Fortran>Cobol>Basic>dBase>Clipper>C then a bunch of other Internet shit.

Posted by: Upscale Community Organizing Thought Criminal at May 23, 2010 08:14 PM (IhHdM)

10 CLS

20 PRINT "Do you want a cookie?"

30 GOTO 20

302 grrr...

Juilet. 

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 23, 2010 08:18 PM (Acgmr)

You're new at this, aren't you?

303 That sucks.

Juliet.

304 #306  You're new at this, aren't you?

Not really.  I thought I could get away with embedding the link without using tinyurl.

305 Hey, listen guys.  I've lived off tree bark for years!  True story.  I was behind enemy lines in Korea.  I killed a half dozen of those funny lookin' little guys, and then hid in a cave.  For a long time.  Just me and a tree limb.  And look at what shape I'm in now! 

306

Am I the only person not watching Lost tonight?

Never watched an episode. The premise freaked me the hell out.

307 Not really.  I thought I could get away with embedding the link without using tinyurl.

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 23, 2010 08:20 PM (Acgmr)

You probably could ... if not for the underscores in the domain name.

308 Am I the only person not watching Lost tonight?

No.  I started out watching for the first three years.  Missed several eps, fell behind, and gave up.  Whoops.  D'oh just turned it on for the hell of it.

Nevermind.

309

Not really a big fan of tv shows but a new Batman series based on the 60's version of it starring Steve Carell as Batman is something I could get behind.

310

Am I the only person not watching Lost tonight?

Never watched an episode. The premise freaked me the hell out.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 23, 2010 08:22 PM (0Mho2)

I'm not watching it.  I loved the first season - good fun - and even the second season remained good, but as it became apparent that they weren't going to explain the 'reset' button (which is where Shrillary's smarts Power button idea came from, BTW) I lost interest.  I can't stand stories where the writers just make shit up as they go along, without feeling the need to really tie anything together.

311 Fuck that tired, old sock.

312

Anyone here know where I could score a Barak Obama  Lace Wig?

I have heard there are contacts.

313

Am I the only person not watching Lost tonight?

Never watched an episode. The premise freaked me the hell out.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 23, 2010 08:22 PM (0Mho2)

Never even seen a preview.  Have no idea what it's about, although my razor-sharp intelligence tells me someone is lost somewhere.

314 @316  Jeebus.  I can't even unsock myself.

315 Not really a big fan of tv shows but a new Batman series based on the 60's version of it starring Steve Carell as Batman is something I could get behind.

Posted by: Blazer at May 23, 2010 08:24 PM (t72+4)

Clown by day, superhero by night?

316 I turned D'oh's cousin onto AoSHQ.  Haven't told him who I am.  Hope he joins us.  He's awesome.

317

Am I the only person not watching Lost tonight?

I liked the episode where they finally got a computer working so they could send an email for help and a photo of a bud light came up and one of the guys reached for it and broke the computer again. that was cool.

318 Okay.  I'm gonna watch this POS Lost.

319 299 296 Jeebus.  I go to dinner, come back, and the thread that will not die is still scrabbling around, like a spider.  A big, black, hairy spider.  The size of a dinner plate.  And it leaps, and grabs your face, and.....

That's not a spider, that's a facehugger.

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 23, 2010 08:14 PM (Acgmr)

I experienced a facehugger last night. IYKWIMAITYD.

320 321 I turned D'oh's cousin onto AoSHQ.  Haven't told him who I am.  Hope he joins us.  He's awesome.

Cool!  Thanks.

321 Please...somebody...put me out of my misery.

322

Not really a big fan of tv shows but a new Batman series based on the 60's version of it starring Steve Carell as Batman is something I could get behind.

Is that happening or did you just make that up? I hear he's committed to only one more season of The Office.

323

You're one of a kind Jane, he'll figure it out!

And I think you're our only Savannah resident, no?

324

Is that happening or did you just make that up? I hear he's committed to only one more season of The Office.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 23, 2010 08:30 PM (0Mho2)

No. Really liked the old tv version of it and was just thinking to myself who would be an adequate replacement to Adam West and Steve Carell kept popping into my mind as the only one who could pull it off.

325

 

Remember the episode with Sayid yelling "AlahuAkbar!" and trying to blow up Hurley's hut?

326

Is that happening or did you just make that up? I hear he's committed to only one more season of The Office.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 23, 2010 08:30 PM (0Mho2)

They're promoting Dwight?

Watched the "Performance Review" episode the other night where Dwight is in the stairwell listening to music, doing martial arts, and rehearsing his reasons for deserving a raise.

Dwight is awesome.

327 I've never watched an episode of lost but I know one of the extras, she was the dead woman whose shoes were taken in the first episode.

328 Later this morning on Face The Nation, White House flack Robert "Baghdad Bob" Gibbs, upon hearing this, ignored Governor Palin's point and quickly changed the subject, claiming she needs to "get slightly more informed as to what's going on in and around oil drilling in this country". No, I didn't make that up. Robert Gibbs thinks the former chair of the Interstate Oil and Gas Compact Commission, chair of the National Governors Association (NGA) Natural Resources Committee, head of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, and Governor of a huge energy producing state needs to study up on the oil industry. Presumably if she does so, she'll be as knowledgeable on this topic as...Gibbs? This from a guy who, along with his boss, knows less about the oil industry than I know about 8th century Mongolian basket weaving techniques. Do you really want to plant your flag there, Bob?

329

No

Sounded like a possibility. There is no creativity in the tv industry. They recycle everything. There is some show on ABC this fall that looks like a cross between Desperate Housewives and Twilight. I think it's called Desperate Lonley Women into Crappy Storylines involving Vampires.

330 Geez, after all that work you could at least get one that's worth the effort

Juliet

331 335 Geez, after all that work you could at least get one that's worth the effort

I picked the one that was the least decadent.

332 Geez, after all that work you could at least get one that's worth the effort

Juliet

Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at May 23, 2010 08:37 PM (iBTj9)

Go easy on him.  He's new at this.

333 Remember the episode with Sayid yelling "AlahuAkbar!" and trying to blow up Hurley's hut?

No, but I remember the one where Hurley snuck over to the other side of the island and tried to claim the land was stolen from his people.

334 lacey@328  Yeah.  Savannah resident reporting for duty.  *waves*

D'oh's cousin from the Charleston area visited us yesterday.  He's a moron at heart.  I've sent him Ace's linky.  He'll probably lurk a while.

Hey, Cuz!  Come on in!

335 326 Please...somebody...put me out of my misery.

Posted by: Dying Thread at May 23, 2010 08:30 PM (1fanL)

BANG!

*thread stumbles to the right, crashes into kitchen table breaking valu-rite bottles and knocking empty TV dinner trays to the floor...takes one more step and face plants it on the floor*

336 I picked the one that was the least decadent.

You feeling ok?

337

Dwight is awesome.

In the top three tv characters of all time.

Fact: Bears, Beets, Balltlestar Galactica

_{(okay technically that's Jim impersonating Dwight but still one of my favorite scenes).}

338 Anyone remember the time Hurley wondered onto one side of the island by himself and almost tipped it over?  Awesome ep.

339

 

heh, niiiiiiiice

340

Dwight is awesome.

In the top three tv characters of all time.

Fact: Bears, Beets, Balltlestar Galactica

_{(okay technically that's Jim impersonating Dwight but still one of my favorite scenes).}

Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 23, 2010 08:40 PM (0Mho2)

Right up there with John 'Hannibal' Smith, Bill Maxwell and Carl Kolchak

341
Geez, after all that work you could at least get one that's worth the effort

Juliet

Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at May 23, 2010 08:37 PM (iBTj9)

She's wearing a wedding band.

Don't ask me why, but I notice that kind of stuff.

342 OMG.  Michelle O actually had a cameo in the first season as the Giant Killer Polar Bear.  (They had to shave off her back hair to fit into the suit.)  One of the directors just said so!!11!!

343


However, Dr. Mark Craig is the greatest tv character of all time.

344

 

the guy who plays 'the man in black' aka the smoke monster is a likable screen presence.

he was good in DEADWOOD

345 New thread(s) up. 

346 Coming late to this discussion, but want to add one thing to the Korean issue:

Obama and Kim are lucky SOBs.  A month later and there is a good chance that an Annapolis or NROTC middie would have been onboard as part of a bilateral summer cruise.

Then this would have been a whole different ball game, a game I don't think Kim or Obama are prepared to play.

347

One thing that bothered me about Lost is how the fat guy stayed so fat.

348

86 #76  Rumor has it  he is a hardcore aficionado of American porn and Cognac.

 

Who isn't?

349 Bush lied and South Korea had to pay for his lies. If I were President this would have never happened.

350 "

the guy who plays 'the man in black' aka the smoke monster is a likable screen presence."

My wife calls him Adam, since he was one of the Adam and Eve corpses.  I was actively rooting for him, and don't understand why he's a villain at all.  Lost was a total creative disappointment.  The entire mystique and wonder of the show was that assumption that there was a creative and coherent explanation that actually worked for all these strange things.  Brainwashing videos, Walt drawing future reality and bird ESP, polar bears, frozen wheels, time travel, true love magic, fertility magic, cancer curing, dharma and Eloise having special knowledge, super physics, Egyptian god statue, four toes, Island moving, whsipers...

The list of issues that seems unrelated but were mysterious put together is long.  I can see why they gave up even attempting to have a coherent explanation.  What explanation we did get was barely an explanation at all.  How did Jacob make Richard immortal?  He patted him on the back.  What are the whispers?  Spirits.  Still, even the 'character driven' ending doesn't make sense.  The ending was extremely uncreative psuedo religious crap.  Sugary and fake and just uncreative.  But predictable.

Apparenly 20 minutes of 'explanation' will be added to the finale if I buy the special DVD.  OK, fuck you too.

351 Why is north vs south korea so vital to our national interest again? Is there a real fear of a domino effect where all of Asia falls under Kim Jong Il? How about we pull out and let the Koreans and Chinese and other locals worry about it?

352 costume zentai

353 zentai    
spider man costume  
costume zentai   
spider costume   
spandex zentai 

354 Posted by: Agmike at May 24, 2010 06:05 AM (hHZ7D)

How about because they're our allies, you craven little fuck?

355 "Why is north vs south korea so vital to our national interest again? Is there a real fear of a domino effect where all of Asia falls under Kim Jong Il? How about we pull out and let the Koreans and Chinese and other locals worry about it"

You may have noticed that nations like Japan, South Korea and Taiwan don't have their own nuclear weapons.  This isn't because they lack the ability to build them.  These countries have agreed to not build them in exchange for American protection.
Not a bad idea, if you think about it.
But since The One has become President, there are real doubts about America's willingness to protect its allies anymore.
If I were the leader of South Korea, I'd withdraw from the Non Proliferation Treaty and take care of business myself.

356 Just a thought but has anyone seen or heard any oil rig survivors on TV giving an interview? Or has anyone seen pictures of the rig itself? just sayin.....