1 Light'em Up, Bibi!!!!

2 A sign of the Apocalypse...Ace posting on Sunday?

3 Trample the weak, hurdle the dead.

4 Well, if Israel thinks that the US is no longer in their corner it merely lowers the amount of influence that the 0bama will have over their actions. 

5
Israel is just being a smart ass!

6

Since the Arab world and Saudi Arabia understand that President Obama is a weak person, maybe they decided to facilitate this happening,” Inbar said

True. But words you'll never see in US print.

7

"Seious economic problems" can be inflicted slowly with sanctions, or very rapidly with ordnance.

 

What would you do? Try to hit their very large, numerous, and well-protected nuclear faclities, or shut down sectors of their economy by hitting obvious choke points?

8 Blow the ever-loving shit out of Iran. And salt the ashes.

9 Yeah, the Saudis and the Isrealis, I believe that. Rolls eyes.

10
American Joo's should convey to Bibi our utmost disgust at his posturing to gain political leverage over the Iranian regime.

11
Yo Smackmouth, stop wit dat trash talkin'.

12

The thing that always screamed obious bullshit to me was that 2007 NIE report said that Iran stopped production in 2003.  See I do believe they halted their plans in 2003.  Gee what happened in 2003 that might have made them stop.  Maybe  some dictator being removed from power due to his connections with WMD's?

But that's a report using evidence 4 years old.  To believe that it was up to date was bullshit and nothing but political garbage.  And Iran probably restarted serious production again in 2004 or 2005.

13 Panetta tells ABC's "This Week" that there is "some debate" as to whether Iran will proceed with the bomb.

The Iranians: upgrading their missile capabilities, continuing to enrich uranium, and spouting off anti-Israeli rhetoric about every other day, and the CIA only believes there is only "some debate" if the Iranians are proceeding with a nuclear weapon?

God help us, because in the end, there will be only chaos.

14 I doubt a cleric-run news agency gets a lot right.

A "cleric-run news agency", presumably you mean a news agency run by a distinct cadre of specially-trained, true believers, individuals self-selected for their willingness to adhere fanatically to an archaic set of discredited beliefs.

AKA:  The New York Times editorial board.

15 Do the Saudis fear the Iranian Mullahs enough to help the Israelis hit Iran?

16 I am in charge, here in the White House, pending return of the President from the golf course.

17 When have sanctions ever worked to topple a dictatorship--in recent history, if ever?  The only example I can think of is South Africa and even that was at least democratic for a part of the population.  In place of that, the examples of sanctions doing nothing without being followed by an attack are too numerous list and, in any event, Iran has now tossed away even the veneer of democracy

If the Iranian government was going to topple or changes its ways the internal discontent, wouldn't that have happened by now?

18 I wonder if Iran, in order to try to stave off a strike, will threaten to sendtroop north into the Stans? We have a base there; very important, but not well defended by US soldiers.  I doubt we could use any of our assets in Iraq to threaten Iran's western border,  and Afghanistan is not close enough to reach the Iranian forces before they reach our base.  We'd have to rely on the various locals, and maybe some local interdiction via air.  But it would give us reason to strike Iran from out carrier.. sort of a backup wave to the Israelis.

But Iran could play their Hizballah card, and I expect to see this happen soon, maybe in concert with a Gaza action. Will Iran send the command to strike preemptively, immediately upon Israel's attack, or some time later, when Israel seems overly committed?

Many possible sequences and options.

19

there is an uprising waiting to happen in Iran support it , it might make everyones job easier

our movment and this rhetoric  might be for show, so that Iran complies

?maybe

20
Hey Mahmoud, in the  peace accords with Israel, I agreed to swap the 57th state for your agreement not to bomb the Joo's.  A man must live by his word, and I am a great example of honoring all my promises, with the exception of a few to those asshole conservatives.

21 And our role, thanks to President Obama, will be to keep ourselves in a position to blame Israel for the doing the job we're pretty much forcing them to do for us.

Sneaky. And contemptible.

22 Saudi Arabia?  Do they have a lot of golf courses there?

23 As Obama famously asserted: Iran's just a small country, why worry? More seriously, its got to suck to be President Bush and have the CIA undermine your defense of the nation. Aren't they on the same team?

24
So today I was in Cambridge and guess what I saw painted on the sidewalk. Go ahead, take a guess. I'll wait.

Give up?

On the sidewalk was a neatly painted (obviously the product of a stencil) U.S. OUT OF ISRAEL in 3" letters.

Some asshole is going around the streets of Cambridge and painting this nonsense on the sidewalks. This is typical Cambridge antics. I hate these people.

25 I'm sure the Saud's would hate Iran to be the top dog of the east.

26 This is from DEBKA, so treat it as "unreliable" for now, but still plausible. 

Iran on war alert over "US and Israeli concentrations" in Azerbaijan

27 The Saudis hate and fear a nuclear Iran more than they hate and fear the Jooz. I always suspected they would take more than a purely passive roll in the spanking of Iran.

28 What would you do? Try to hit their very large, numerous, and well-protected nuclear faclities, or shut down sectors of their economy by hitting obvious choke points?

Raise taxes, institute control of the health system, and shut down drilling.

29
Why isn't someone digging up all the videos with the leftwingers telling us Iran is at least 10 years away from completing the bomb and Bush is just trying to warmonger us into fear?

30 The Saudis hate and fear a nuclear Iran more than they hate and fear the Jooz.

I always suspected they would take more than a purely passive roll in the spanking of Iran.

Posted by: eman at June 27, 2010 05:34 PM (kFytp)

They also aren't stupid when it comes to staying in power.  Whatever animosity they have, they know Israel isn't going to take over Saudi Arabia whereas there's a decent chance Iran (with the bomb) would love to.

31 is Gulf Daily News a credible site?

32
btw, last week someone here mentioned how odd it is that gas prices haven't spiked because usually any little thing (such as the threat of a hurricane or a leaf falling from a tree) causes oil to spike.

A couple of years ago every time that asshole in Iran would saber-rattle it would cause a spike in oil prices. Now? Not so much. Weird.

33 Bibi did bring all his ambassadors home months ago for some kind of purpose. I doubt it was about the World Cup or Lady Gaga.

34 The Sunni's would never cooperate with the Shiites Jews.

35 "Relations are in the state of a tectonic rift in which continents are drifting apart."

And yet I keep seeing the report of a US/Israeli fleet having passed through the Suez.  The presence of multiple US carrier groups in the Persian Gulf seems to be in several of these stories, so what should we make of that?

36 Yup, functional alcoholism is definitely my new career choice.

37 The Israeli's know they can't count on Barry for anything except a hard time.  As for the 2007 NIE.  ANYONE connected with that piece of shit should have been sent to prison.

38 So, if the ME turns into a fireworks show, do the Norks go fetal or attack?

39 #35  And yet I keep seeing the report of a US/Israeli fleet having passed through the Suez.  The presence of multiple US carrier groups in the Persian Gulf seems to be in several of these stories, so what should we make of that?

There was only one Israeli ship in that armada IIRC.  That is mostly a symbolic show of strength, and you can see how much that's making the Iranians quake in their boots...

You think Obama has the stones to either:  a) let the Israelis strike Iran or b) order strikes on Iranian targets?

40 I can't blame Israel for any of this.  They know the US was their only friend in the world, and Obama has seen to it that is no longer the case.

I'm starting to think those people who think Obama is actually a Muslim may be on to something.  Economic destruction of the US?  Check.  Real Destruction of Israel?  Working on that.  Bowing to every Muslim leader ever?  Hey, there's only so much one man can do.

41 As for the 2007 NIE. ANYONE connected with that piece of shit should have been sent to prison. Posted by: GarandFan True dat. It brought closer to nuclear war in the ME and elsewhere, and for what? Partisan gain against Bush and the War on Terror. Fucking Commies.

42

The presence of multiple US carrier groups in the Persian Gulf seems to be in several of these stories, so what should we make of that?

Word is that was a normal rotation with an extra bit of protection. 

But we move a carrier with an escort through Suez on a regular basis.  It was not much out of the ordinary.

43

I never win Battleship when Barack and I play.

Of course, we play the Affirmative Action edition...

44

well at least they won't hide behind "infants" this time;

The Iranian ship called "Infants of Gaza" had been expected to sail Sunday for Gaza carrying 1,100 tons of relief supplies and 10 pro-Palestinian activists but plans were canceled

45

_{The Iranian ship called "Infants of Gaza" had been expected to sail Sunday for Gaza carrying 1,100 tons of relief supplies and 10 pro-Palestinian activists but plans were canceled}

They are going to Lebanon to take part of another 'Blockade Busting Cruise'.

Stay tuned for that one...

 

46 You think Obama has the stones to either:  a) let the Israelis strike Iran or b) order strikes on Iranian targets?

Ahahahahahaha.  No.

47

Look at the map. Tabuk gives the IDF no advantage at all. It's about 15 minutes flying time from Eilat. I don't see the advantage.

Now the Georgia/Azerbaijan base for an IDF attack makes much more sense. Before the Turks went batty, this would have been easy. Now, I don't know. Maybe they can fly over Greece to Bulgaria and east across the Black Sea.

48 More seriously, its got to suck to be President Bush and have the CIA undermine your defense of the nation. Aren't they on the same team? Posted by: Rodney at June 27, 2010 05:33 PM (XRIh6) Bwahahahahahaha! BWAhahahahha!

49 The US can longer stop Israel. The Israelis know our current regime is their enemy. If Easy Bake calls to tell them to stand down no one will answer and he'll hear a recording of Yassar Arafat getting banged by a donkey.

50 heck i hope brezinski and crew golf alot!

51

If Easy Bake calls to tell them to stand down no one will answer and he'll hear a recording of Yassar Arafat getting banged by a donkey.

Poor donkey.

52 btw, last week someone here mentioned how odd it is that gas prices haven't spiked because usually any little thing (such as the threat of a hurricane or a leaf falling from a tree) causes oil to spike.

I did, though I'm surely not the only one to have noticed.  I think Purple Avenger suggested we're still working of the stockpiles that got built up after the last big price spike (when we were seeing stories of tankers fully loaded waiting waiting to dock until prices went up, but they never did).

You think Obama has the stones to either:  a) let the Israelis strike Iran or b) order strikes on Iranian targets?

He can't stop it if they're not telling us what they're up to and/or their method of attack doesn't take them over Iraq.  As for actively participating, I think it would blow up his base support like amnesty did to Bush, but I also think a lot of lefties are convinced that you instantly get a massive approval spike when you go to war (which he tried to use in 'combatting' the oil spill) and he might calculate that a summer surprise will help him in November.  I would totally expect the Dems to shamelessly push the notion that changing control of Congress in the midst of ongoing hostilities with Iran (and make no mistake, Iran will unleash all the hell it can in response) is an expression of weakness and that the patriotic thing to do is vote for them.

53 You claimed a 2007 CIA report noted that Iran had shelved it's nuke program.  I believe that was a 2007 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) which is NOT put together by uniformed personnel or intelligence analysts who are working the targets.  It is put together by people who are out of the intelligence process, and out of the loop when it comes to the targets.  The NIE is often politically motivated, and this report was definitely politically motivated.

54 This is from Iran's semi-official news agency, so it's probably just propaganda, and even if it's "reportage," I doubt a cleric-run news agency gets a lot right. < lot a gets agency news cleric-run doubt I ?reportage,? it?s if even and propaganda, just probably so agency, semi-official Iran?s from is>

Layers and layers of editing and fact-checking, that's what we need.

55 22 Saudi Arabia?  Do they have a lot of golf courses there?

Posted by: Precedent Fershizzle at June 27, 2010 05:33 PM (CvQuy)

Yeah, but they are all one big Sandtrap...

/Rimshot

56

Posted by: CDR M at June 27, 2010 06:22 PM (5I8G0)

Yeah, and RimPac just started too.... so lots of Pac Fleet assets tied up with that...

57 The infuriating thing about Israel's comment on our relations is that the majority of Americans support Israel, just not our hard Left government and the 20% of us who tend to moonbattery. 

Are you happy now, 52%-ers who believed the hype ?

While nothing in international relations is "permanent," the next Republican President will have some serious fence-mending to do with Israel and our other allies - hopefully including a strong rebuke of Obama's actions -

Right back 'atcha, Barry - and I don't want to hear any crying from your fangirls about how Presidents shouldn't be criticized by their successors after the way you've fragged Bush at every opportunity since you snuck in the back door wearing a disguise assumed office.

58 Oren and diplomats: "There is no crisis in Israel-US relations because in a crisis there are ups and downs" [...] "Relations are in the state of a tectonic rift in which continents are drifting apart."

But our people still want Obama to become dictator and implement his plans by force, right?

59 tectonic rift = plausible deniability ?

60

Saudia Soddy Arabia

FIFY

61 What can a say in my shrill, screechy voice that will put your minds at ease?

62 You think Obama has the stones to either:  a) let the Israelis strike Iran or b) order strikes on Iranian targets?

Barry "Israel must cease this attack immediately"
BiBi "I can"t HEAR youuuuuuu"

63 9 Yeah, the Saudis and the Isrealis, I believe that. Rolls eyes.

Posted by: Darth Randall at June 27, 2010 05:24 PM (oLULt)

I believe it.  The Saudis know the first thing the Iranians will do when they get the bomb is throw their weight around the Arab world.  The Persians have been doing that for, literally, thousands of years, so it's not like they're just being paranoid.

64 What can a say in my shrill, screechy voice that will cheer you up? _{(cackle, cackle)}

65 So Saul, I think we fucked up supporting this dark skinned guy, with the Negro dialect.

66 More likely, IDF has assets in Qatar or the UAE. Instead of trying to hit hardened bunkers, they could detonate an EMP and fry all of Iran's electrical grid and computers. That would be a VERY nasty decision.... but totally effective. Would bring down the regime within a few weeks as an added bonus. Comments?

67 #68

I guess you would call this the "nuclear option". 

Probably they're best option and least destructive in civilian deaths.  I would think maybe they disguise as a mistake on the Iranian side. 

"Accident" at the reactor?

68 Although I don't believe anything the Iranians say, there's still something that tells me there would be some Arab countries willing to help Israel on the QT take out Iranian nukes becasue they don't trust them either.

69 "I believe it.  The Saudis know the first thing the Iranians will do when they get the bomb is throw their weight around the Arab world.  The Persians have been doing that for, literally, thousands of years, so it's not like they're just being paranoid."

Yes, plus on top of that, the House of Saud has been in literal fear for the lives ever since Khomeini brought down the Shah.  The kingdom they put together on paper in the 1920's isn't nearly so unified and subservient to them as they'd like the rest of the world to believe.

70 Yeah,this rings true for me.The Israeli's have to move because the US for damn sure isn't, under Obumbles.

71 DEBKA has some more info on this build up.  US has troops in Azerbaijan and apparently Israel is using Saudi to load up in necessary.


http://www.debka.com/article/8868/

72 If the Israel attacks, Obama will suddenly look like a pro-Israel genius. Why did he distance himself from Israel? To avoid Iranian terrorist retribution as they have promised. Even if this isn't the case, that's how it's going to get spun, so look for a bump in Obapopularity right afterwards.

73 To avoid Iranian terrorist retribution

Yeah, that will totally work.

74 Since Leon Panetta is saying Iran can have two nukes in two years, my estimate is that they have three ready to detonate now.

No one in the Osama Obama regime can say "good morning" without lying. Expecting any kind of intelligence from them is an exercise in futility.

I hope Israel has something planned. No one else has the Dangling Reproductive Units to face off against Mad Mahmoud and his savages. and I hope the Traitor-in-Chief isn't dumb enough to try to stop them.

75 "Since Leon Panetta is saying Iran can have two nukes in two years, my estimate is that they have three ready to detonate now."

The only reason I don't think that's correct is because I assume the day Ahmadinejad has a nuke is the day a nuke goes off in downtown Tel Aviv.

76 I've been saying for a while that the Saudis will be giving Israel logistics assist in any attack. 

77 All this makes the fact that Obama shook the press and disappeared in Toronto a major story in my eyes. What is this twerp doing behind our backs, then we see that he has been having secret talks with Hamas, was Toronto one of those, and if so what did they talk about. I'm very fearful that this pos will give the game away like Rockefeller  did just prior to Iraq.

78 I'm going to take this opportunity to grab my junk. It was either that or buy a girdle. Fuck, I can't remember. Smartasses

79 I think this has the ring of truth to it.  As Ace's liver pointed out the Saudi's and Iranians don't exactly get along, and politics does make strange bedfellows. (I'm too drunk to parse the subject-verb agreement on that sentence)

In my mind the next couple of weeks are the most probable window for the next few month.  Right now the US has 2 CSG's within a couple of day's of striking distance of Iran, plus a couple more within a couple of weeks.  That means Iran has some strategic ambiguity vis a vis US response.  Sure, Bambi's been pretty hostile to Israel and passive, but the midterms are approaching and Jews are a significant demographic for the Democrats, especially when the current election has 2 NY, 1 PA, and 1 CN senators up for election.  The Iranians have to take into account the possibility that Obama will back up Israel to keep some of those senate seats.

I don't think we or the Israelis will use an EMP on Iran, that opens the whole nuclear can of worms and will pretty much force Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Turkey (at least) into starting weapons programs.  OTH we've, IIRC, had quite a bit of success using air-bursts of carbon fibers to bring down electrical grids.  I doubt the Israeli's haven't learned the lesson.

80

Sippenhaft 50% of the CIA and their families.  Tell the remainder that they have 72 hours to unfuck themselves or they go too.  Then sippenhaft them 48 hours later.  Then sippenhaft everyone in the Ivy leagues and media.

Film it all and broadcast worldwide live.

Then kick back with pina coladas.

81 Soooo, the MSM considers the adoption of a baby by two perverts to be a more newsworthy story than what Ace has reported here; i.e., neither the New York Times, nor any of the TV networks have mentioned these issues which have been alleged here by Ace, and yet, amazingly, some of you people are discussing those issues as if they are the facts and without even bothering to question the authenticity of what Ace has said. A typical knee-jerk reaction by the usual suspects, and that's putting it nicely, folks.

82 WILL SOMEBODY DROP A FUCKIN' NUKE ON THESE ASSHOLE SHOE SALESMEN????? ACE????? BUELLLER??????

83 USS Carrier Harry Truman Now Officially Just Off Iran, As Israel Allegedly Plotting An Imminent Tehran Raidhttp://tinyurl.com/2aq5zfx

84 Whats the name of that song. Oh yeah...."They Nuked Iran and Put in a parking Lot".

85 What would you do? Try to hit their very large, numerous, and well-protected nuclear faclities, or shut down sectors of their economy by hitting obvious choke points?

The electrical power grid and gasoline refineries are good choke points. Slow to repair, easy to destroy again.

86

#92 - You have just embellished on old news to fabricate a scenario that conforms with Ace's purely speculative comments.

The facts: The aircraft carrier. USS Harry S. Truman (CVN-75), began a ten-month deployment to the 5th and 6th Fleet areas of operations, in support of maritime security operations on May 21, 2010. The Truman led a task force of 11 American warships into the Suez Canal on June 20, 2010, also. That task force is currently on station in the  vicinity of the Persian Gulf, which could include the Gulf Of Aden, the Arabian Sea and the Indian Ocean off of the coast of Somalia. It is purely speculative, also, but as was already reported weeks ago, those warships might exercise the right to inspect Iranian ships for the illegal transport of weapons, or they might provide a deterrant to Somalian pirates, or they might provide air-ground support in Afganistan and in that region. It is pure fantasy to speculate that they are there to support an attack on Iran by Israel. I suspect that is what Ace fantasizes about while he is playing with his toy ships in his bathtub, and while his mommy is bathing him, also.

 

87 96

#92 - You have just embellished on old news to fabricate a scenario that conforms with Ace's purely speculative comments.

The facts: The aircraft carrier. USS Harry S. Truman (CVN-75), began a ten-month deployment to the 5th and 6th Fleet areas of operations, in support of maritime security operations on May 21, 2010. The Truman led a task force of 11 American warships into the Suez Canal on June 20, 2010, also. That task force is currently on station in the  vicinity of the Persian Gulf, which could include the Gulf Of Aden, the Arabian Sea and the Indian Ocean off of the coasts of Yemen and Somalia. It is purely speculative, also, but as was already reported weeks ago, those warships might exercise the right to inspect Iranian ships for the illegal transport of weapons, or they might provide a deterrant to Somalian pirates, or they might provide air-ground support in Afganistan and in that region. It is pure fantasy to speculate that they are there to support an attack on Iran by Israel. I suspect that is what Ace fantasizes about while he is playing with his toy ships in his bathtub, and while his mommy is bathing him, also.

 

Posted by: One never knows where these loonies' ideas come from at June 28, 2010 08:11 AM (sYrWB)

 

P.S.: If it any consolation to you, it is rumored, but not known for sure that there is an unspecified, large contingent of U.S. Marines in that task force, also. That should give you something else to gossip about, for sure.

88 gee I wonder what the price of gas will hit if Iran is attacked ? And I also wonder what Iran will do if attacked ?

89 No one on Intrade is willing to bet that Israel will attack.

90 If Bush would not allow the Israelis to do it why would Obama ? Do we really need to start a 3rd war while we haven't finished with this one ? If we do and have to send more of our young men over to fight, will is old guts begin to score better with the younger women ?