November 26, 2010
— Open Blogger Are you or have you ever been a supporter of Israel?
The IRS is looking into a group that calls itself Z Street, which was created to counter J Street. For those of you goyum not familiar with Jewish lobbying groups, J Street is the liberal jewish organization that has a less than stellar record of supporting Israel. Well, to counter this Z Street was created. It is a pro-Israel lobbying group. Not in that they are lobbying at the behest of Israel, just simply that they are pretty openly pro-Israel and would like Americans and our politicians to be so as well.
Well the IRS has sent a letter which asked:
“Does your organization support the existence of the land of Israel?” IRS agent Tracy Dornette wrote the organization, according to this week’s court filing, as part of its consideration of the organizations application for tax exempt status. “Describe your organization’s religious belief system toward the land of Israel.
Fair enough right? There are rules and guidelines to being tax exempt in America and it is the IRS's duty to make sure groups comply with those guidelines. However, it is Z Street's claim that I find disturbing.
Z Street claims that a different IRS agent reviewing its application for tax exempt status said the agency is “carefully scrutinizing organizations that are in any way connected with Israel” and that “a special unit” is determining whether its activities “contradict the Administration’s public policies.”
Z Street could be lying. It would probably be in their interest to do so. However, I find myself growing cynical with this administration, especially on its policies toward Israel.
What do you think? Am I too cynical, or do you also believe that the Obama administration would use the IRS to target lobbying groups who counter the Administration's foreign policy?
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That's preposterous! The Federal government would NEVER do anything like that! Isn't that right Hillary?
Posted by: B. Clinton at November 26, 2010 07:23 AM (fJhBR)
Posted by: Chicago Jedi at November 26, 2010 07:24 AM (WZFkG)
Am I too cynical, or do you also believe that the Obama administration would use the IRS to target lobbying groups who counter the Administration's foreign policy?
You mean the same shit they pulled with the health care deform and anyone who didn't praise it? What were those threats that that Canadian scrunt issued to various companies and lobbying groups who didn't say that the retarded health deform was the best thing since sliced bread?
It's impossible to be too cynical about anything with this retarded America-hating administration.
Posted by: A Beautiful World at November 26, 2010 07:24 AM (n98P0)
Posted by: CoolCzech at November 26, 2010 07:25 AM (tJjm/)
Posted by: The Guy Who Hate Holidays at November 26, 2010 07:26 AM (UqJ8A)
There is neither positive, nor negative, Administration treatment of groups based on their political positions, or ideals...
Really bro...
Posted by: New Black Panther Party at November 26, 2010 07:27 AM (AdK6a)
Me an' Diogenes been tight for a long time. . . .
Posted by: logprof at November 26, 2010 07:27 AM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: The Guy Who Hate Holidays at November 26, 2010 11:26 AM (UqJ8A)
--No worries, a cheerleader pic for the big college football day should take care of that.
Posted by: logprof at November 26, 2010 07:29 AM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: CoolCzech at November 26, 2010 07:29 AM (tJjm/)
Anything is possible with the Obama Administration these days. They have gone after private citizens like Rush Limbaugh in the MFM for contradicting the Administration's public policies. IIRC, some Administration office was sending threatening letters to insurance companies linked to Medicare for only saying that some services would be cut (and premiums raised) because of the additional regulations that Obamacare is putting on everyone.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 26, 2010 07:31 AM (9hSKh)
If you're cynical than I'm a paranoid Polly.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 26, 2010 07:33 AM (LVRx2)
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 26, 2010 11:31 AM (9hSKh)
--Even worse, Henry Waxman (D, Whoville) was summoning the CEOs of several of companies cutting benefits before Congress to browbeat them on TV.
Posted by: logprof at November 26, 2010 07:34 AM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: Journolist at November 26, 2010 07:35 AM (LwLqV)
/Courtesy of Carl in Jerusalem.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 26, 2010 07:37 AM (9hSKh)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 26, 2010 07:37 AM (LVRx2)
Posted by: Mr LaRue to you at November 26, 2010 07:37 AM (Fr8N6)
What do you think? Am I too cynical, or do you also believe that the Obama administration would use the IRS to target lobbying groups who counter the Administration's foreign policy?
Are the IRS investigating Muslim organizations the same way? Doubt it.
This is the Obama administrations MO. Selective enforcement of the law, just like in the New Black Panther Party case.
It isn't just the foreign policy.
Posted by: Speller at November 26, 2010 07:38 AM (J74Py)
Cynicism and this administration go together like peanut butter and jelly.
I wouldn't put one thing past those people, and I use the word "people" in it's loosest possible meaning.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 26, 2010 07:39 AM (b6qrg)
I'm working on my science project creating a weapon that will scourge the world of decadence forever.
Here's a small sample of what can happen on Black Friday. Tread lightly.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 26, 2010 07:40 AM (9hSKh)
Even more interesting.. Political groups ARE given Tax exempt status... and being Pro Israel is a POLITICAL position.
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 26, 2010 07:41 AM (AdK6a)
Sometimes, I get the feeling that we goyum are more concerned about Israel's survival that many Jewish-Americans are.
From most everything I read, American Jewish voters identify most strongly with the Democratic Party. OK---we now have a Democratic president. Presidents run the Executive Branch, and the IRS is part of the Executive Branch.
Stands to reason, therefore, that a Democratic administration wouldn't openly go after Israel, unless it had already concluded that most Jewish Democrats wouldn't raise much of a fuss.
I wonder what would lead the Obama administration to that kind of conclusion...
Posted by: smagar at November 26, 2010 07:42 AM (fc35B)
From the IRS website:
To be tax-exempt under section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code, an organization must be organized and operated exclusively for exempt purposes set forth in section 501(c)(3), and none of its earnings may inure to any private shareholder or individual. In addition, it may not be an action organization, i.e., it may not attempt to influence legislation as a substantial part of its activities and it may not participate in any campaign activity for or against political candidates.
That bolded part is what folks usually run up against. But what pisses me off is the way it is NEVER enforced in some of these "social justice" religious organizations. Think the honorable Rev Wright or Jessie Jackson etc.
Posted by: Vic at November 26, 2010 07:44 AM (e4sSD)
Hey, Lacey, I'm with you on that. I wouln't go shopping to today even if they were giving away free flat screens and cars.
Posted by: Journolist at November 26, 2010 07:44 AM (LwLqV)
Posted by: SurferDoc at November 26, 2010 07:45 AM (RKpGM)
I'll take Eeeeevil Joos over the Mohammedan Mouthpiece any day.
Posted by: MrScribbler© at November 26, 2010 07:46 AM (Ulu3i)
Here's a small sample of what can happen on Black Friday. Tread lightly.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 26, 2010 11:40 AM (9hSKh)
--Sad.
Fortunately for me, it's easy to avoid Black Friday when you're in Canada.
Posted by: logprof at November 26, 2010 07:46 AM (BP6Z1)
Many Jewish-Americans (hate the hyphenated term, but its appropriate in this case) don't feel any connection with Israel. Sadly, many of them have had their thoughts poisoned towards Israel by the MFM and crap professors like William Ayers to think that Israel is the main cause of all Middle East strife. (The "white" Israelis are persecuting the "brown" Fakeystienians).
Liberalism has replaced Judaism as the main religion of too many American Jews as well.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 26, 2010 07:49 AM (9hSKh)
You're kidding, right?
Oh, and this:
>>“Describe your organization’s religious belief system toward the land of Israel."<<
What difference does that make? Isn't it enough to say that it's a Jewish organization? Or, does the IRS get to decide whether they are the right kind of Jews?
Posted by: SlaveDog at November 26, 2010 07:52 AM (foEpt)
speaking of this...
I'll bet you all already have heard local stories about trampling, today.
We should change the name from Black Friday to...
Black & Blue Friday.
try the veal!
Posted by: Soothsayer's A Very AoS Christmas at November 26, 2010 07:52 AM (uFokq)
I wonder what questions they ask groups like CAIR?
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 26, 2010 07:53 AM (9hSKh)
I wonder what questions they ask groups like CAIR?
Aw, you made a funny!
Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 26, 2010 11:48 AM (LVRx2)
Yeah, not only are they tax exempt, but they are also tax "deductable" meaning that contributions to them can be written off on income tax. That is the same status that churches and qualifying charities get.From their web site:
Non-Profit: CAIR is a not-for-profit organization recognized as tax-exempt under U.S. Internal Revenue Code section 501(c)(3). Donations to CAIR are tax-deductible. Tax ID: 77-0646756
Posted by: Vic at November 26, 2010 07:55 AM (e4sSD)
Posted by: SurferDoc at November 26, 2010 07:56 AM (RKpGM)
Z Street could be lying
well in reading the court docs, they've named the IRS agent so proving the veracity should be easy assuming they can subpoena her. but as I'm typing this and thinking outloud I'm not sure they could be....
Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 26, 2010 07:56 AM (LVRx2)
Posted by: Person That Hates White Things at November 26, 2010 11:54 AM (mbwfr)
--How you doin' Meghan McCheese??
Posted by: logprof at November 26, 2010 07:57 AM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: Vic at November 26, 2010 11:55 AM (e4sSD)
What the hell?
Oh, now I understand. CAIR's tax exempt-status was "downgraded" from a 501c(4) to a 501(c)(3). Not much of a downgrade, given they still can get tax-deductible donations, although officially they can't influence government policy.
/Think that stops them anyway?
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 26, 2010 07:59 AM (9hSKh)
What do you think?
On this issue, I think whatever this glorious Administration wants me to think.
Posted by: FireHorse at November 26, 2010 08:03 AM (sWynj)
Posted by: SurferDoc at November 26, 2010 08:04 AM (RKpGM)
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 26, 2010 11:40 AM (9hSKh)
Only in Wisconsin.
Posted by: steveegg at November 26, 2010 08:09 AM (51MkX)
I don't think they were ever a "c4". C4 can lobby the gov but are not tax exempt or deductible.
They may have lost their "tax exempt" status but their web site is still claiming it.
Posted by: Vic at November 26, 2010 08:09 AM (e4sSD)
Oh, now I understand. CAIR's tax exempt-status was "downgraded" from a 501c(4) to a 501(c)(3). Not much of a downgrade, given they still can get tax-deductible donations, although officially they can't influence government policy.
/Think that stops them anyway?
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 26, 2010 11:59 AM (9hSKh)
Actually, that's an upgrade from c4 to c3. C4s can influence government policy, but the donations are not tax deductible. C3s "can't" influence government policy (unless, of course, they're lieberals like CAIR), but the donations are tax deductible.
Posted by: steveegg at November 26, 2010 08:12 AM (51MkX)
They may have lost their "tax exempt" status but their web site is still claiming it.
Posted by: Vic at November 26, 2010 12:09 PM (e4sSD)
C4s are tax-exempt non-profits, but otherwise, you're right.
Posted by: steveegg at November 26, 2010 08:13 AM (51MkX)
One of the interesting dynamics in the modern world is watching 'progressives' strain to Memory Hole anything which disproves their Avatarish view of the Arab-Israeli conflict. When Comment is Free first opened at The Guardian (UK) quite a few people (like myself) decided to go there and post inconvenient facts which make progressives crazy.
Some doublepluswrongthink which will be instantly deleted: The Hamas Charter, Friday sermons from Gaza, Hamas spokesmen quoting the famous Gharkad Tree Hadith, Quran verses, child martyrdom videos... Basically anything showing the underlying Islamic theology which drives the conflict will be S-canned within an hour. Anyone noting Israeli aid to the Pals will be deleted as well.
They actually believe Israel is intentionally destroying the magic tree which focuses the life energy "starving" Gaza in the world's "largest open air prison." Never mind the overflowing markets, malls, and entertainment venues.
If by prison you mean theme park it's not too far off. It's a fantasist world view which can't be rebutted with facts.
Think about all the hot conflicts in the world today generating 10-100x the death and destruction over the last thirty years as compared to Arab-Israeli dust ups. The Arab-Muslim genocide of black Africans in Darfur jumps to mind. Yet the world's 'human rights' community only cares about two things: 1) delegitimizing leading to destroying Israel and 2) Islamophobia.
Posted by: Beagle at November 26, 2010 08:16 AM (sOtz/)
Posted by: steveegg at November 26, 2010 08:32 AM (51MkX)
Posted by: SurferDoc at November 26, 2010 08:41 AM (RKpGM)
Posted by: The Mad Arab Abdul Alhazred at November 26, 2010 08:50 AM (THQxs)
Posted by: ejo at November 26, 2010 09:05 AM (YV/hj)
Posted by: rabidfox at November 26, 2010 09:19 AM (sgabE)
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 26, 2010 09:23 AM (AdK6a)
This Hitler fellow? I think he may be up to something.
Posted by: Neville Chamberlain in 1943 at November 26, 2010 09:25 AM (yCMYD)
Posted by: davod at November 26, 2010 09:31 AM (GUZAT)
Posted by: Uncle Jed at November 26, 2010 09:36 AM (xRcKp)
Posted by: archie bunker at November 26, 2010 09:44 AM (0YS61)
Posted by: Barriyo Bomba wit a Hussein in da Middle at November 26, 2010 09:57 AM (EGXE5)
Archie - As long as Israel continues to perorm post-viability 69th trimester abortions of pali-terrorists, I will continue to support them.
Posted by: Have Blue at November 26, 2010 10:54 AM (mV+es)
Posted by: Trimegistus at November 26, 2010 11:25 AM (vbWof)
I don't know. Why don't we ask "Joe the Plumber" about who and what and how far the Obama Administration or his supporters or Michelle would go to target someone or some organization?
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