April 21, 2010
— Jack M. or did Kendrick Meek make a deal with the devil?
How else do you explain this happening in this, of all, election cycles?
. . Thanks to Libertarian Party candidate Alexander Snitker. At a press conference this morning the 34-year-old office supplies salesman announced he has met the ballot requirements to run for the U.S. Senate — the first Libertarian candidate in Florida's history to do so.
So in an election year when the Democratic nominee in Florida will be lucky to capture 35% of the vote, Marco Rubio, the GOP's nominee-to-be, now faces the hurdle of winning a 4 man race against a "Republican turned Independent", and a "Libertarian".
A four man race in which 3 of the men (well, 2 and Crist) will be splitting the center-right vote against an otherwise unelectable liberal.
Sigh.
Anyone else on the right want to jump into this race too? After all, if you don't, Rubio just might win!
And I guess we can't have that. Probably would get laughed at by the media and stuff.
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Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at April 21, 2010 11:18 AM (yuHqs)
Posted by: Hatchet Five at April 21, 2010 11:18 AM (YJl4U)
Posted by: joncelli at April 21, 2010 11:18 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: David Frum at April 21, 2010 11:19 AM (IhQuA)
Posted by: Hatchet Five at April 21, 2010 11:20 AM (YJl4U)
All 3rd party candidates in the upcoming election cycle should be suspect Democrat-operative spoilers.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at April 21, 2010 11:20 AM (0fzsA)
Posted by: exceller at April 21, 2010 11:20 AM (jx2Td)
I smell a rat, a DemocRAT.
First off the 'Independent' is nothing but another RINO who took off the water horse costume and showed his real self. Unless this libertarian has a track record I call shenanigans!
Posted by: chuck in st paul at April 21, 2010 11:21 AM (adr25)
Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 21, 2010 11:21 AM (ujg0T)
Crist won't be taking center-right votes; he won't be taking shit. Don't worry about Cahrlie Crist.
Posted by: Atom Ant at April 21, 2010 11:21 AM (uFokq)
Posted by: Brooksy at April 21, 2010 11:21 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: maddogg at April 21, 2010 11:21 AM (OlN4e)
If Crist jumps then all the LP candidate has to do is take 1 or 2 percent of the vote and it could hand the election to Meek.
Libertarians don't usually do well ANYWHERE. They're a joke party that's never elected so much as a single congressman in 40 years of existence and stick around only to get Democrats (their natural allies) elected.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at April 21, 2010 11:21 AM (yuHqs)
All 3rd party candidates in the upcoming election cycle should be suspect AS Democrat-operative spoilers.
fixed
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at April 21, 2010 11:22 AM (0fzsA)
Charlie Crist would have won this race going away. Meek didn't have a prayer.
But noooooooooooooo! We just couldn't abide that RINO sitting in the Senate, with an -R after his name. We just had to find a *real* Republican!
So now, we're gonna get a Democrat - or an *Independant* who hates the shit outta the Republican Party and plays Jim Jeffords.
My Christ, but you people are fucking stupid. Next time out, can we just *hold our fucking noses and vote for the guy with the -R? I mean, I know it's hard to be smart when we've got a hardon for purging a RINO, but is X more *years* of hearing "Majority Leader Harry Reid" really worth giving a RINO his assfucking?
Sheesh.
Posted by: sanssoucy at April 21, 2010 11:22 AM (Iq+yI)
Obama carried Indiana because he managed to steal the state in Indianapolis and Gary.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at April 21, 2010 11:23 AM (yuHqs)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 21, 2010 11:23 AM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: Jack M. at April 21, 2010 11:23 AM (Ncr1R)
Posted by: exceller at April 21, 2010 11:23 AM (jx2Td)
Crist will jump. but I think his support will dwindle quickly. He'll lose backing of too many people. His money will dry up and he'll be road kill.
That said, it's still complete bullshit that a moderate cannot suck it up and endorse a conservative who has beaten him.
Posted by: lorien1973 at April 21, 2010 11:23 AM (IhQuA)
Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 21, 2010 11:24 AM (ujg0T)
Who's "we", dumbshit?
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at April 21, 2010 11:24 AM (yuHqs)
We helped too. Retards, who make up about 80% of democrat voters, are easily confused.
Posted by: Pat Buchanan and Butterfly Ballots at April 21, 2010 11:25 AM (IhQuA)
Posted by: maddogg at April 21, 2010 11:25 AM (OlN4e)
That said, it's still complete bullshit that a moderate cannot suck it up and endorse a conservative who has beaten him.
Oh but you bitter clingers must always defer to your moderate betters! We *never* have to defer to you, even when you win the primary!
Posted by: David Frumskull at April 21, 2010 11:25 AM (ujg0T)
If you are going to buy that a libertarian is going to hurt Rubio, then you have to buy that the teachers union will split on crist and meeks.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 21, 2010 11:26 AM (7VvJB)
So Charlie Crist's inability to lose gracefully is somehow the fault of conservatives?
Righto.
Posted by: Slublog at April 21, 2010 11:27 AM (qjKko)
Slick moves, conservative geniuses!
It's a primary, asshole. Unless you just want to skip the primary and have coronations. Then again, you really *are* just like the sockpuppet in #31 above. It's what you really think, isn't it?
Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 21, 2010 11:27 AM (ujg0T)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at April 21, 2010 11:27 AM (yuHqs)
Ah, the Blame Republicans First crowd.
Seriously, they aren't omnipotent, sometimes they make errors. You should only endorse in a primary if the possible opponent is odious, like a David Duke or a Paulestinian. But endorsing a (formerly) popular sitting governor for the Senate seat isn't exactly going out on a limb.
The Republican party can't go around being a bunch of church ladies when it comes to ideological orthodoxy.
the people responsible for recruiting this RINO clown need to be fired ASAP.
What recruiting? Crist was a two-term governor of the state.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 21, 2010 11:27 AM (T0NGe)
Arlen Specter agrees. Why have any debate with in the party? Let's just robotically vote for any R that comes along.
That's smart.
Posted by: lorien1973 at April 21, 2010 11:27 AM (IhQuA)
Posted by: Jack M. at April 21, 2010 11:27 AM (Ncr1R)
Posted by: sanssoucy at April 21, 2010 03:22 PM (Iq+yI)
Hey--FUCKTARD--we'd like a party that occasionally--just occassionally--stands for something. Governor Huggy would have voted FOR the stimulus and ObamaCare. So tell me, oh great sage, who would be doing who in the squeakhole?
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 21, 2010 11:27 AM (B+qrE)
RNC supported crist. RNC loves Romney. enough said.
RNC has no one to blame but themselves for losing a sure win seat.
And people think they will repeal the healthcare bill!? HA HA HA HA
Posted by: Dan at April 21, 2010 11:29 AM (1jzSs)
Posted by: cvxcvxcvx at April 21, 2010 11:29 AM (Tfuib)
Posted by: Jeffrey Quick at April 21, 2010 11:29 AM (g9neE)
Posted by: Alan Smithee at April 21, 2010 11:29 AM (F7GbV)
Crist is a tard. He could run in 2012 and possibly win. Why would he destroy his political future for such a short term gamble.
Posted by: Ben at April 21, 2010 11:29 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: Ben at April 21, 2010 11:30 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: joncelli at April 21, 2010 11:31 AM (RD7QR)
RNC supported crist. RNC loves Romney. enough said.
RNC has no one to blame but themselves for losing a sure win seat.
And people think they will repeal the healthcare bill!? HA HA HA HA
the Republicans are becoming like the English Tories. They by all accounts should win massively in the next election, but are managing to snatch victory for the jaws of defeat.
Posted by: Ben at April 21, 2010 11:31 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: cvxcvxcvx at April 21, 2010 11:31 AM (Tfuib)
Maybe our new friend Alexander Snitker needs to be paid a visit from some of my friends from Hoboken. I'm not sayin...I'm just sayin.
Posted by: dananjcon at April 21, 2010 11:32 AM (pr+up)
Posted by: Mr Natural at April 21, 2010 11:32 AM (JCxlJ)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 21, 2010 11:32 AM (7VvJB)
Posted by: jwpaine at April 21, 2010 11:32 AM (g4J4S)
Yes, another one of those "coincidences" thingies. The Demonrats financed this asshole to get him in the race. Maybe the Republicans should finance a damn "green party" candidate.
This is bullshit. What we need is some election law that prevents this kind of shit. As for the NSRC supporting Crist in the primaries they are NOT supposed to do that. Their won party rules say that they are not supposed to support anyone in a contested open primary.
Some States have a provision to prevent this kind of shit. They require a candidate to get > 50% of the vote to win or a runoff election is held. That is what Florida needs.
Posted by: Vic at April 21, 2010 11:34 AM (QrA9E)
Instead, he's leaving the party and willing to risk putting a liberal Democrat in office to avoid having to drop out of the race. Because, you know, that's someone we'd want in the Senate. Never mind his support for cap-and-trade and massive government spending, he's also an unprincipled sore-loser fuck.
Posted by: Benson at April 21, 2010 11:34 AM (qzcNU)
You Republicans have nobody to blame but yourselves, for supporting restrictive ballot-access laws (there should be 2 or 3 on the other side too), and for nominating candidates who like to run peoples' lives.
And there it is--"should."
So, Jeffrey, the answer to your issue is to torpedo Rubio and hand the election to Crist or Meek who would, of course, be far more damaging to whatever the hell it is the libertarian freak parade is supporting this week. I believe a little strategic introspection is due on the whole "running peoples' lives" thing.
Idiot.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 21, 2010 11:34 AM (B+qrE)
Posted by: K at April 21, 2010 11:35 AM (bfcmA)
Posted by: Ben at April 21, 2010 11:35 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 21, 2010 11:35 AM (7VvJB)
Posted by: Dirtbag Big Ben at April 21, 2010 11:37 AM (pLTLS)
Posted by: Jack M. at April 21, 2010 11:37 AM (Ncr1R)
The problem with these third-party candidates, especially marginal ones like Libertarians isn't that they take votes away, but they take away the narrative.
We saw this in 1992. Voters were polled after the election and asked who they would have voted for other than Perot. Other than the ones who said they would stay home, they split 50-50.
What Perot did was become a second anti-Bush candidate. So at every debate, 2/3rds of the discussion was against the incumbent Bush, who was left at a disadvantage trying to defend himself, not to mention attacking the other two. If he attacked Clinton as being too liberal, then Perot could swoop in and say that he wasn't.
If the Libertarian guy gets into the debates, it's three against one. Even if he doesn't, it'll be two against one. The Libertarian, Crist and Meeks ads will all be anti-Rubio. Especially the Libertarians, who have no hope of winning, they're all about playing spoiler.
I've noticed one thing about Libertarians and they are all about pointing out what they perceive to be flaws in conservatism while they ignore the wholesale destruction wrought by the Democrats. If the Obama administration isn't enough to give Libertarians common cause with conservatives, what is?
Posted by: AmishDude at April 21, 2010 11:37 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 21, 2010 03:35 PM (7VvJB)
That's a great point.
Posted by: conscious, but randomly incoherent at April 21, 2010 11:38 AM (YVZlY)
Apparently, the word "Republican" has been scrubbed from his campaign website.
If he actually wants to win the Senate seat, this is incalculably stupid. If he wants to have a hissy fit and play spoiler, leaving him with neither friends nor allies, then going indy is the best thing he can do.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 21, 2010 11:39 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 21, 2010 11:40 AM (7VvJB)
googled:
sanssoucy
took me to: www.ConcernTroll.com
Lucky you. I did the same search and got this.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at April 21, 2010 11:41 AM (yuHqs)
If the Obama administration isn't enough to give Libertarians common cause with conservatives, what is?
Eloquent, with a good beat and easy to dance to.
I give it a 92.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 21, 2010 11:41 AM (B+qrE)
See the "Tea Party" candidate in Nevada.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 21, 2010 11:41 AM (T0NGe)
The democrats barely even allow their own primaries to threaten their favored candidate, but are happy to tamper with our elections. Major contests should have some kind of run off. Including primaries. Imagine if the GOP primary had used runoffs in each state.
Posted by: Sentient Nintendo 64 at April 21, 2010 11:41 AM (dUOK+)
As for Libertarians, if the Republicans did their job as the limited-government party, Libertarians would be superfluous.
So we finally nominate one like Rubio. Oh, but he won't give you your free ganja, will he? Then he's no good, right?
You Republicans have nobody to blame but yourselves, for supporting restrictive ballot-access laws (there should be 2 or 3 on the other side too),
Yes, because everyone knows voter fraud and sabotage candidates are great, right?
Ugh.
Like I said, Losertarian clowns....
Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 21, 2010 11:41 AM (ujg0T)
Posted by: fozzy at April 21, 2010 11:44 AM (ccEuN)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at April 21, 2010 11:45 AM (yuHqs)
There's a reason we have primaries you fucking idiot. And the loser of the primary should bow out gracefully and either endorse the winner or STFU. It's the RINO side that pulls this shit (Crist, Specter), not conservatives. If we lose this, it will be Charlie Oompa-Loompa's fault. You fuckers would rather lose the election to a left-wing Democrap than see a conservative win.
Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at April 21, 2010 11:47 AM (IoUF1)
Posted by: Charlie Crist, all bug-eyed and sweaty at April 21, 2010 03:32 PM (w41GQ)
You're a fraud. Charlie Crist is never sweaty. I make sure of that.
Posted by: Charlie Crist's Fan at April 21, 2010 11:49 AM (DrWcr)
In 1998, Harry Reid won re-election by 428 votes. The Liberturdian in the race garnered 8,044.
But we wanted our free pot, maaaan.......
Posted by: Liberturdian at April 21, 2010 11:49 AM (ujg0T)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 21, 2010 11:55 AM (7VvJB)
If Rubio can't beat three, or a dozen, then he doesn't deserve to win. And Florida doesn't deserve to have him in the Senate.
Carrie's not-so-bright issue is probably just about right for the Butterfly Ballot Confusion crowd anyhow...
Posted by: J. Moses Browning at April 21, 2010 12:02 PM (9uSk0)
Remember it was the Libertine vote in South Dakota which made it close enough for Tim Johnson to defraud Thune in his first run for Senate - and that was AFTER the LP candidate WITHDREW and urged his supporters to vote for Thune.
Libertines are basically just idiots, as the Paulbots prove every day.
Rubio will beat them all. Crist will go straight down the tubes after jumping the party.
Posted by: Adjoran at April 21, 2010 12:22 PM (3hg5M)
Posted by: Alan Keyes at April 21, 2010 03:39 PM (ZESU0)
Been there, done that --- pass.
Pass? It's because I'm black, isn't it?
Posted by: Alan Keyes at April 21, 2010 12:35 PM (G60Nl)
Posted by: kansas at April 21, 2010 12:40 PM (mka2b)
Posted by: Bannor at April 21, 2010 12:41 PM (6AXh/)
Posted by: kansas at April 21, 2010 12:41 PM (mka2b)
Posted by: Adrian Wyllie at April 21, 2010 12:44 PM (A4qUa)
What the fuck is this "deserve" shit? This will actually be an elective office that will make laws. It matters who takes it and it isn't a question of how worthy Rubio is as a candidate.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 21, 2010 12:48 PM (T0NGe)
He's nothing of the sort. He is a socialist. A hard core commie lib. He is working for the election of Kendrick Meek (D). That's what he wants and that is the only possible outcome he can influence.
Don't pull this ultra-principled concern troll BS. It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.
If only the Libertarians can lose 1000 races, then we will be living in the kind of paradise the Libertarians truly want -- free pot and a welfare state. Well, they're sorta against the welfare state, in theory, they just won't do anything about it.
But the pot, now that's where the action is.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 21, 2010 12:52 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at April 21, 2010 01:02 PM (QOLCO)
Posted by: Jeffrey Quick at April 21, 2010 01:03 PM (g9neE)
I don't trust candidates that are fuckin' cyphers.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 21, 2010 01:05 PM (VY5KX)
You obviously didn't read all of my post so yes, you can sod off troll.
Posted by: Vic at April 21, 2010 01:10 PM (QrA9E)
And you don't find anything incredibly strange or convenient about the fact that this nobody douche, of all people over all these years, just happens to be the very first candidate to ever clear this prohibitive hurdle.
You probably don't see anything suspect about the "Tea Party" candidate who magically sprang up in Nevada, either.
Sod off yourself, jackass.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at April 21, 2010 01:12 PM (QOLCO)
Posted by: Math sez at April 21, 2010 01:44 PM (I+7Zv)
Troll on isle 21...
Why should we hold our noses and vote against a conservative in the primary? Particularly when the conservative wins the election handily against the Democrat candidate.
If you are for real, what you want is for people who do not like the establishment GOP to vote for its chosen candidates, out of fear that they might lash out and vengefully destroy a good conservative candidate.
No fucking thanks. I still think Rubio will win, handily...but, frankly, now that Crist has shown his true colors, I'd rather have Meeks as a minor one-term Senator than give fagboy one more step on the ladder toward the Presidency.
Posted by: Ken at April 21, 2010 01:52 PM (EawMs)
Posted by: Jeffrey Quick at April 21, 2010 01:52 PM (g9neE)
Posted by: Jeffrey Quick at April 21, 2010 01:54 PM (g9neE)
Look, I'm a libertarian (small l, that's important). I vote GOP, unless it's hopeless. So in 08 I voted for McCain, but I voted LP for Senate, because Mark Warner was going to crush Gilmore, and so it didn't matter.
Still, this guy, at least from what I see on his website, seems legit. He put in 8 years in the USMC, so I'm not gonna tear him down.
Look at his website. He wants, among other things, to reform the BLS so that the actual unemployment rate is shown. You know, the thing Ace talks about every time the administration releases some "unexpected" unemployment numbers? He's a Marine, and a businessman. He seems like a good guy, and I agree with most of his policy positions.
Of course, he has no chance of winning, and Rubio is obviously the one to back because he's the best candidate that can actually win. That doesn't mean the LP candidate is a bad man, or a Soros plant. The anger is overblown, IMO. Sure, there are the Libertarians, the purity or nothing morons. They actually vote LP. The libertarian wing of the Republican Party, that's people like me who recognize that we didn't get into the socialist mess we're in overnight, and that it is the work of decades to move back to freedom, those people should be for Rubio. There are a hell of lot more libertarians then there are Libertarians, if you get my meaning.
Posted by: Britt at April 21, 2010 02:35 PM (VN7Wi)
Proof again that politics is filled with narcissists and assholes (I repeat myself). As long as their friggin namer is on the ticket they don't give one rats ass about the damage they do to the candidate with a legitimate chance of winning this thing.
And...
And if Crist does run as an Indy, I hope someone, somewhere, finally gets pissed off enough to come out of the closet about the beard of a marriage of his.
Posted by: jmflynny at April 21, 2010 02:57 PM (uyljC)
115: I was in the Marines. So was Murtha. So was Oswald.
There are plenty of men who have been heroic in war and corrupt as hell. Benedict Arnold wasn't a Marine, but you get my point.
Posted by: Ken at April 21, 2010 03:18 PM (EawMs)
I guess I stepped on a corn (again), but my point is a painfully simple one:
Parties matter - and party affiliation is of primary importance.
Unchallenged, Crist would have won the general election by 30 points. He might not have been a great conservative, but he would have meant an EZ pickup of one more Republican - and one less Democrat. Again to paraphrase Dick Morris; "You can vote for the shittiest, most liberal Republican imaginable, and he'll walk right into that Senate chamber and vote for Mitch McConnell as Majority Leader."
Thaaaaat's all I'm sayin', kids. The Olympia Snowes of the world might not be the people we fantasize about ruling the Senate, but I'd take 51 Olympia Snowes over the 40 we ended up with after the last election we got, anytime.
Posted by: sanssoucy at April 21, 2010 05:05 PM (Iq+yI)
Now Lieberman did this, but his own party stabbed him in the back. Told him they'd back Ned Lamont unless he voted the way they told him to, and to hell with his constituents. Lieberman won.
That's not what's going on here. Crist opposed his own party, and the NRSC still endorsed him. Rubio is more popular, because he represents what voters want -- no government takeovers of healthcare, banks, car companies, loans for college or houses, no higher taxes. They want a robust economy and jobs.
Crist is putting his ego before his party AND the voters. He is out to kneecap his opponent, when that person is doing exactly what democracy demands. Rubio is working with the system the way it was designed. Crist seems to have a problem with that.
It sucks about this Libertarian candidate no one has heard of. He seems to be running purely as a spoiler. Sure, the Democrats have all kinds of dirty tricks up their sleeves. But it's Crist who really sucks. This will finish him in politics for good.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 21, 2010 05:30 PM (mHQ7T)
Now now, that's overly kind. You were talking about Palm Beach County, so it's really more like 95%.
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