1 5 am on Friday.

2 Oh dear. L'Chaim, dudes.

3 Only a Muslim president wouldn't approve Israel taking this action.

4 1 5 am on Friday.
Posted by: bill at August 19, 2010 08:42 PM (TlbDX)

Doh!!

Okay it's fixed now.

5 ...radioactive fallout over populated areas...

I've said it before, I don't see much of a downside here.

6 If they do attack it will interrupt Imam Obama's 6th vacation. How could they do that? How could they be so racist?

7 I hope the USAF pilots who are ordered to shoot down the IAF bombers refuse the order.

8 Nothing will happen.

9 I hope the USAF pilots who are ordered to shoot down the IAF bombers refuse the order.

Didn't you hear?  We don't have any combat troops left in Iraq, which means the Israelis have a clear path to Iran. 

10

Here's to A-jad meeting the 12th Imam face to face very soon.  At the bottom of the magical sewer.  (Incidentally, the 146th holiest site in islam.)

11 forget the nuke sites. decapitate the leadership, religious and political. then let the youth tear the place apart.

12 it won't be tonight, it is day time for them isn't it? they will probabyl attack Iran in the morning, during a shift change like they did to egypt in 1967

13

My brother and I were talking about this earlier.  This is like the Cuban Misslile Crisis, only without the ballsy president.  

14 Damned if they do. Damned if they don't. I hope they nuke the fuck out of Iran. And take out Achemanihandijob and the mullahs in one fell swoop.

15 Hey Morons and Moronettes! What's everyone do--- Oh wait, this is a serious Maet post. Thanks for putting this up... I kept meaning to. It's important but I spaced on it. Alas I don't think a damn thing is going to happen. Under Obama's stewardship Iran will become nuclear.

16

Maet,

I don't know your e-mail but this needs to make the ONT

17 I doubt it but you never know.

The troop pull out was supposed to have been sped up by about 10 days....maybe getting out of Dodge.

18

And King Hussein is on vacation, so he doesn't have to be involved....

19

The rumor was that the French helped the Israelis blow up Osirak, that there was a man on the inside.

20 I hope the Israelis do it.  I wish we'd had the courage to do it.  Giving murderous fanatics some atomic bombs, I dunno, sounds like a pretty bad idea to me.

21 Actually I'm not expecting anything to happen given the current administration's attitude towards Israel. But that just means that when/if the attack comes, it's going to be a lot messier.

22

Obama will bomb Iran as soon as he is done perfecting a few metaphors.

In all honesty, we won't bomb iraq, it would destroy the democrats in november. they would probably lose a hundred seats if we attacked iran.

it has to be israel.

23 Annnd time to start drinking.

24

any morons israelis?

they wouldn't do it without calling up their reserves

25 Yeah,ace and Drew are right.The Israeli's will do nothing.They've been both strongarmed and promised by the Obana WH thatr things will be fine.We will be dealing with a nuclear armed Iran shortly and all the trouble that entails.

26 Once theyÂ’re in place any attack on the nuclear plant will result in radioactive fallout over populated areas and no doubt severe responses from even relatively friendly countries.

The reaction, even from "relatively friendly" countries, to an Israeli attack on Iran would be the same, whether there is radioactive fallout or not.  Just look at the world reaction to the Gaza operation or to the flotilla incident - both of which were minimal and totally within the bounds of reasonable self-defense - and multiply that by 1000000.  That will be the reaction to Israel hitting Iran, no matter what.  The "relatively friendly" countries are just waiting for Israel to take out Iran's nukes, immediately after which all those nations (basically the whole world, including the US inder the Indonesian) will set about to destroy Israel.  It doesn't matter if the reactor is operating at the time or not.  Israel's fate concerning its necessary attack on Iran, so far as the world is concerned, was determined long ago.  They look at it as killing two birds with one stone.

27 I come here hoping for more 800-percent-slower Justin Bieber and instead find myself at the edge of Armageddon.  Thanks a lot Maet!

28

they wouldn't do it without calling up their reserves

Posted by: Ben at August 19, 2010 08:56 PM (DKV43)

didn't they send a bunch of troops home before the 6 day war just to fuck with the arabs? 

29

Of course a radioactive strike zone is far less able to be rebuilt.

Then there is also the 'Gravity's Rainbow' scenario with regular news updates of missles being thrown back and forth in the Middle East. Hopefully our Star Wars defenses work.

30 Is it too much to hope the Israelis wait until Obama is in Iran sucking on Ajad before they attack? Now that would be must see TV!

31

If the Israelis take out this reactor, they can claim they are only trying to help Obama achieve his dream of a nuclear free world.

32 If they do it, may it all go well.

33

The only attack route not depicted on that chart is submarine launched missiles from the Red Sea or Gulf of Oman.

Ramat David to Hafar al-Batin and/or Dharan, to Iran?  Saudis are supposed to be onboard.

34 Won't it be hilarious when Iran starts nuking middle east oil fields and the muslims start blaming Israel for not bombing Israel.

35 I think Israel probably will have to hit the other sites with nukes.  This is too big not to cover every possibility on the first try.  So whether this reactor is fueled or not, doesn't really matter. 

36

Seriously, I don't think they'll do it tonight.

But I think these worries about a radioactive fallout is pretty overblown.

If I was planning contingencies for this raid, that would be way down on my list of worries.

Mushroom cloud over Tel Aviv:  Big worry

Radioactive fallout in Iran after pre-emtive strike:  Small worry

37 Also, my feeling on the Israeli attack strategy is that they would be on the ground more than going by air.

38

Pretty funny that if Israel does strike, Obama would probably get a phone call about 3am.

 

 

Oh, but CDR M, remember how he didn't get the call about the Fruit Of Kaboom bomber til later because his staff didn't want to wake him up?  I'm thinking they might not notify him til his vacation is over--don't want to put a damper on all the fun at Martha's Vineyard.  Barky's gotta finish eating his ice cream cone!

39 What? You want we should attack you? schmeh.

40 I blame Bushehr

41

Where are teh kittehs?

I don't think anything will happen tonight or tomorrow.  I also think radiation won't, and shouldn't preclude an attack later on.

Other people at this smart military blog know alot better than I do of the likelyhood of success though.

42 Nothing could possibly happen now because I'm on vacation all this week.

43 ***Ugh, bombing Iran not Israel.

44

May I throw out the idea that it is unlikely that Israel has the capabilities to accomplish this.

It may be able to get a reactor or two, but it can't hit every site.

45 Afraid those of us hoping the Israelis will take care of this are in for a disappointment.  To quote Judge Smails: "You'll get nothing and like it!"

46

Someone mentioned here, I can't remember who, that the radiation would help to cover Israel's use of a low grade nuke?

Thoughts?

47 As much as I desperately wish to see someone take out the Iranian nuke program... I doubt the Israelis will do any such thing as launch an attack. The world would soil its collective panties, and demand the virtual destruction of Israel if it actually did the sane thing and attack the program. Just goes to show how screwed up the world is.

48 Israel will have people inside Iran who at the proper time will destroy the capability for Iran to produce a nuke. You will never see overt military strikes on Iran from Israel.

49

also ,oddly enough in Israeli history, it is the left wing that makes war and the right wing that makes peace deals.

so don't think Bibi is going to attack just because he is "right wing"

50 Bush Bad
Bushehr Good

51 I hope there's a mosque nearby.

52 I wouldn't get your hopes up. A military strike could have happened anytime in the last few years yet nothing happened. Why? The fact is that the Russians are invested heavily in Iran and any military strike would likely kill many high level Russian scientists. Russians also have built a couple of air bases in Syria, I believe, which means Israel could very well face a retaliation not only from Iran, but possibly from Russia also. I've always wondered if John Bolton (the Mustache) ever takes any of this into account while he's on FOX rattling the sabers. Trust me. Nothing is going to happen.

53 Barky's gotta finish eating his ice cream cone!

Posted by: runningrn at August 19, 2010 09:03 PM (CfmlF)

Barry takes his bad news after breakfast.  After he finishes his waffle.

54

god this fucking sucks, being on the brink of nuclear war

55

You know that in a 'controlled' nuclear reaction that it is a numbers game that the reactor doesn't go critical. It COULD happen to ANY reactor. It would be a damned shame if it happened to Iran's shiney new one.

Just.A.Damned.Shame.

56 Tim B. says nothing will happen.  Stand down, morons.

57 The fact is that the Russians are invested heavily in Iran and any military strike would likely kill many high level Russian scientists. Russians also have built a couple of air bases in Syria, I believe,  Posted by: Tim B.

Those Russian air defenses sure worked wonders when the Israelis took out a reactor in Syria a few years ago.

58 Looks like the consensus is that they aren't going to do anything.  I don't like that assessment, but i have to agree with it.  Hell, we couldn't even pull off a pre-emptive attack without getting hammered, at least rhetorically. 

59

Maet,

I don't know your e-mail but this needs to make the ONT

Japanese Glass Ball Performer

Posted by: Ben at August 19, 2010 08:51 PM (DKV43)

I love balls!

60 What if Putin was looking to take over those oil fields?   He has all sorts of people in place.   He could blow up the reactors,  take out the labs,  decapitate the government,  and be sitting there controlling the oil.

By the time everyone realized it was the Russians,  and not the Israelis,  it would be a fait accompli.

Just a theory,  but I think a possibility.  After all,  the Israelis and the Saudis now know Obama won't do squat.   Maybe they got together with the Russians.

61 57 I hope there's a mosque nearby.

Posted by: Crusty at August 19, 2010 09:08 PM

 

Drop a couple of radioactive Boars there on the way by...

62 Trust me. Nothing is going to happen.

Posted by: Tim B. at August 19, 2010 09:08 PM (WLldW)

Then Israel's chances of surviving the next 10 years are pretty slim.  That's what Bolton is considering.

And, if Israel gets hit, then the chances that they unleash their nuke arsenal are good (though I doubt Israel has it in them to do it) and you don't want to even contemplate the consequences of that.

The world has let Iran get to this point, thereby putting the globe at greater risk than it was even during the Cold War.  But, that's the stupidity of the world.

63

Tim

i agree it won't happen, but Russia will never get involved. Its been goading arabs into wars with israel for the past 50 years, it never gets directly involved.

war in the middle east is extremely profitable to russia. every time the israelis destroy an arab or persian army, the arabs and persians re-arm with russian weapons, and better and more expensive ones than the time before. Russia is on the of the largest dealers of arms in the world. it stands to make a fortune from any middle east war, far more than it will make from Iran buying a couple of reactors.

Also don't forget that the Persians and Russians aren't natural allies, in fact they are historical enemies.

Imagine your russia, you sell someone a nuclear reactor, nuclear materials, weapons, tanks, planes, air defense and then one day, it is all destroyed. Well the Iranians already paid you for it, it didn't cost you a dime, and if the Iranian regime collapses then you have a weaker iran on your southern border. if the regime survives they will want to replenish their stock and the only people that will sell to them are you and the chinese.

it is a win win for russia if israel attacks.

64 i don't think Israel will do it as yet, the russian scientist will be there also. don't know that they would want added grief. maybe when the russians leave?

65 The nice thing about hypersconic stealth aircraft is that their targets never understand WTF happened to them. Never see it coming...never see it leaving.

66 Feels like Israel would be risking a lot to attack now with # 44th as the CiC. But that is strictly a lay person's opinion.

67 Ben have the iranians already coughed up the money?

68 Barky's gotta finish eating his ice cream cone!

Posted by: runningrn at August 19, 2010 09:03 PM (CfmlF)

Barry takes his bad news after breakfast.  After he finishes his waffle.

 

OK, how about "Barky's gotta finish eating his Ice Schemin' Crone?"--maybe more appropro for 3 a.m.!

69

it is a win win for russia if israel attacks.

Posted by: Ben at August 19, 2010 09:13 PM (DKV43)

That is why we pay them to attack.

70 What do you say to someone who thinks that Israel is the cause of all the world's wars? Seriously, I have an acquaintance who thinks that and also believes that the Mossad carried out 9/11.

71 Pat Caddell is on Hannity right now. When he gets off the air, he's got a jet waiting for him,  he's gone to parachute in and take the place out.

72 If we're lucky, the fallout will drift into Saudi and Pawkeestan- allah willing.

73 Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 19, 2010 08:59 PM

I'm thinking the Israelis are going to sit this one out. They know the Mohammedan Mouthpiece will not back any play they make; he is committed to the lunatic notion that he can "talk" to Mad Mahmoud, and anything that jeopardizes that -- except Osama Obama's own stupidity, for which excuses will be made and accepted -- is Bad, and will result in punitive action from D.C.

Israel has a choice no peaceful, civilized nation should have to make: either let your enemies destroy you or let your friends destroy you.

74 What do you say to someone who thinks that Israel is the cause of all the world's wars? Posted by: RKS

As little as possible.

75 The truly sad thing? San Francisco liberals would be more upset by Israel attacking Iran's nuke program than by an Iranian-made nuke taking out Manhattan.

76
Israel will have people inside Iran who at the proper time will
destroy the capability for Iran to produce a nuke.

You will never see overt military strikes on Iran from Israel.

Posted by: izoneguy at August 19, 2010 09:06 PM (CLIVI)

Yer full of shit.

77 Bomb Iran (Paul Shanklin)

78

Look what's on drudge

 

SOURCES: NYT PLANS PAGE ONE EXCLUSIVE FRIDAY ON OBAMA'S CURRENT THINKING RE IRAN NUKE WEAPONS... DEVELOPING...

79

78 If we're lucky, the fallout will drift into Saudi

 

And contaminate Mecca before the end of ramalangadindong...

80 Sunday.

81 I love balls! Posted by: andi sullivan at August 19, 2010 09:12 PM (5I0Yr) Great. But can you be a bit careful with the teeth, guy? And how 'bout a fast lick behind the old nutsack - I feel an itch.

82 SOURCES: NYT PLANS PAGE ONE EXCLUSIVE FRIDAY ON OBAMA'S CURRENT THINKING RE IRAN NUKE WEAPONS... DEVELOPING...

How does it take a whole page to say "oh hell yeah"?

83 76 What do you say to someone who thinks that Israel is the cause of all the world's wars? Seriously, I have an acquaintance who thinks that and also believes that the Mossad carried out 9/11.

Posted by: RKS at August 19, 2010 09:18 PM (4tRTF)

RKS. i just say, " fk u." you cannot change a persons mind that is insistant on being anti-semetic.

my experience alone. (not the views of this site)

and i never use that term otherwise. ever

84 Don't underestimate the Israelis, it will be quick, brutal, and brilliant.

85 -->I'm thinking the Israelis are going to sit this one out.

They really want to, but I don't see how they can.

-->They know the Mohammedan Mouthpiece will not back any play they make; he is committed to the lunatic notion that he can "talk" to Mad Mahmoud, and anything that jeopardizes that -- except Osama Obama's own stupidity, for which excuses will be made and accepted -- is Bad, and will result in punitive action from D.C.

I don't think The Precedent really thinks he can talk to Iran.  He wants Israel to have to hit Iran, after which he'll have the US join the Euros and the third world in embargoing or blockading Israel until they have to capitulate, at which point The Precedent would force some insane give-away to the Palis on the Isrealis ... and that would be that.

This is why I think that Israel needs to absolutely crush Iran, and should take the oil fields, too, since it won't change how the world (and the US under the Indonesian) reacts to the strike.  Israel might as well make the attack commensurate with the blame they are going to get, anyway.  And, if other nations try to kill Israel, they should think about taking the Suez (which they never should have given back to Egypt).

-->Israel has a choice no peaceful, civilized nation should have to make: either let your enemies destroy you or let your friends destroy you.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 19, 2010 09:18 PM (Ulu3i)

Yep.  But, you know, this is just par for the course of Jewish history.  In every generation ...

86

What do you say to someone who thinks that Israel is the cause of all the world's wars? Seriously, I have an acquaintance who thinks that and also believes that the Mossad carried out 9/11.

tell them jews can't time travel.

World War 1 - 1914-1918

World War 2 - 1937-1945

Israel comes into existance in 1948

87

I trust Israel knows the exact status of the facility.  They will act with or without US consent, knowing the American people support them.

The reactor will not be loaded.

88

Ben have the iranians already coughed up the money

i dont have receipts, but i can't imagine Russia giving them away without some compensation up front, knowing the israelis will target them.

 

89
What's the rush?  Hussein Obama and Bitchell Obama are vacationing in Martha's Vineyard with all the beautiful people, and there's plenty of time to make a decision after the point of no return has been reached, and then no decision is necessary.

This is classic liberal thought, and the 'splaining will fall upon the shoulders of the administrations heavy lifter, Robbie Gibbs, better known to the jurno liberal elites as Mr. Fixer, and to the conservative jurno's and blogger's as Mr. Asshole. 

90 damn i should hit refresh once in a while i had the pat cadell joke and the link on drudge ready to go.

91

Yep.  But, you know, this is just par for the course of Jewish history.  In every generation ...

Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 19, 2010 09:25 PM

Indeed. But I have always had a healthy loathing for anyone who tried to wipe out the Jews.

Now I find my own country's "leaders" among those who would apparently be happy to throw them over the side in favor of a bunch of scabrous Palestinians.

That shames me. And makes me angry.

92

If we don't have 6 or 7 carrier groups in the Persian Gulf there will be no attack.  

93

The one Bob Dylan Song I like.

Neighborhood Bully.

Well, the neighborhood bully, heÂ’s just one man
His enemies say heÂ’s on their land
They got him outnumbered about a million to one
He got no place to escape to, no place to run
HeÂ’s the neighborhood bully

The neighborhood bully just lives to survive
HeÂ’s criticized and condemned for being alive
HeÂ’s not supposed to fight back, heÂ’s supposed to have thick skin
HeÂ’s supposed to lay down and die when his door is kicked in
HeÂ’s the neighborhood bully

The neighborhood bully been driven out of every land
HeÂ’s wandered the earth an exiled man
Seen his family scattered, his people hounded and torn
HeÂ’s always on trial for just being born
HeÂ’s the neighborhood bully

Well, he knocked out a lynch mob, he was criticized
Old women condemned him, said he should apologize.
Then he destroyed a bomb factory, nobody was glad
The bombs were meant for him. He was supposed to feel bad
HeÂ’s the neighborhood bully

Well, the chances are against it and the odds are slim
That heÂ’ll live by the rules that the world makes for him
Â’Cause thereÂ’s a noose at his neck and a gun at his back
And a license to kill him is given out to every maniac
HeÂ’s the neighborhood bully

He got no allies to really speak of
What he gets he must pay for, he donÂ’t get it out of love
He buys obsolete weapons and he wonÂ’t be denied
But no one sends flesh and blood to fight by his side
HeÂ’s the neighborhood bully

Well, heÂ’s surrounded by pacifists who all want peace
They pray for it nightly that the bloodshed must cease
Now, they wouldnÂ’t hurt a fly. To hurt one they would weep
They lay and they wait for this bully to fall asleep
HeÂ’s the neighborhood bully

Every empire thatÂ’s enslaved him is gone
Egypt and Rome, even the great Babylon
HeÂ’s made a garden of paradise in the desert sand
In bed with nobody, under no oneÂ’s command
HeÂ’s the neighborhood bully

Now his holiest books have been trampled upon
No contract he signed was worth what it was written on
He took the crumbs of the world and he turned it into wealth
Took sickness and disease and he turned it into health
HeÂ’s the neighborhood bully

WhatÂ’s anybody indebted to him for?
NothinÂ’, they say. He just likes to cause war
Pride and prejudice and superstition indeed
They wait for this bully like a dog waits to feed
HeÂ’s the neighborhood bully

What has he done to wear so many scars?
Does he change the course of rivers? Does he pollute the moon and stars?
Neighborhood bully, standing on the hill
Running out the clock, time standing still
Neighborhood bully

94 Now I find my own country's "leaders" among those who would apparently be happy to throw them over the side in favor of a bunch of scabrous Palestinians.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 19, 2010 09:29 PM (Ulu3i)

Well ... our own country's "leaders" are trying to throw us Americans over the side in favor of everyone who's not American ... not Western, even - as we know too well.  At least the Indonesian and his junta are consistent in their unbridled hate of the West and Western values.

95 Do it.

No regrets.

96 Here's my prediction on that New York Times story that's supposed to come out tomorrow. I'd like to hear everybody's opinion, if you could. The story will announce that Obama's current thinking on the Iranian nuclear question is to allow the Iranians to have nuclear power, but it will be built and placed under Russian supervision. This is interesting because it is the exact same deal that Putin and Medvedev offered Israel in the last year or two. Israel screamed bloody murder, of course, and the deal was scrapped. If I'm right, Israel's under the bus. But what will always be a mystery to me is: What did Obama get in return for giving up the missile shield in Poland?

97 But what will always be a mystery to me is: What did Obama get in return for giving up the missile shield in Poland?

Posted by: Tim B. at August 19, 2010 09:41 PM (WLldW)

He screwed the US and the West.  That was all he wanted.  That's all he ever wants.

98

Tim, King for a couple of years, what did He get for honduras? Iranian uprising? I don't think He got anything for our allies or U.S. .

 

99 Do it.

No regrets.
Posted by: mpfs, sticking her head out to see what's going on at August 19, 2010 09:37 PM

From your typing fingers to God's ear, mpfs.

There are times when a small bloodbath is necessary to avoid a big one, and I see this as one of those times.

I like to think there are enough sensible Americans left that any anti-Israel reaction from the Mohammedan Mouthpiece and his lapdogs in Congress and the media would be met with mass public outrage. Perhaps even a...well...that word you can't use at Tepid Air.

But I still fear that the Israelis won't make a move until the first mushroom cloud appears over Tel Aviv. They have squishes, too.

100 Alas I don't think a damn thing is going to happen. Under Obama's stewardship Iran will become nuclear.

Posted by: ace at August 19, 2010 08:50 PM (QbA6l)

Nor do I.  Obama has somehow cowed Israel on this subject.

101

it's really horrid to look at the beginning  georgia , the shield,  poland, iranians, hondurans.

no faith in him

102

I always like to end on a positive note...

103 He sure made Chavez, Castro , ahmadinijahd feel big.

104 If this weekend is the "latest" then it may have already happened.

In other words, it may already be "too late".

Personally, I don't think its too late.  Whatever damage may be caused specifically by radioactive fallout will be a drop in the bucket compared to all the rest of the carnage that will break out if Israel launches an attack.

105 I wonder if this is the big story Drudge is pimping:

http://nyti.ms/djyKss

If so, it's just more bullshit from the Traitor-in-Chief's regime, designed to lull the Israelis into inaction while Iran readies its weapons.

106 16 Hey Morons and Moronettes! What's everyone do---

Oh wait, this is a serious Maet post.
-----------------
Speaking of serious stuff, the new season of Futurama sure has been lame.

107 Alas I don't think a damn thing is going to happen. Under Obama's stewardship Iran will become nuclear.

Posted by: ace at August 19, 2010 08:50 PM (QbA6l)

Barry might do something. Surrender

108 52 That was me! The Israelis will likely wait until Russia gets paid for the Bushehr reactor before rendering it forever useless. And if Israel needs to use baby nukes, the fuel in the reactor and the uranium in the enrichment sites may give a cover story for any residual radiation. By the way, once the reactor is up and running, it can be severely screwed up with an external attack on it's cooling system.

109

@112: "Speaking of serious stuff, the new season of Futurama sure has been lame."

The movies were pretty weak, too.  A few good moments, but some boring half-hours.

110 What do you say to someone who thinks that Israel is the cause of all the world's wars? Posted by: RKS


For starters... pull back on that hammer thing, and oh the muzzle end goes in your mouth.

111

Futurama's DVD movies were pretty good... until the last one, the politically-correct environmentalist "Green Yonder" turdfest. I considered that a shark-jump and I never held up much hope for this season.

(Yeah, I know, this is the "serious Maet" post. For OT posting here I denounce myself.)

112

Obama hasn't cowed Israel. That's preposterous. If the government of Israel believed that Iran presented a real threat to them, they would launch air strikes without a moment's hesitation - with or without Obama's blessings.  Get real.

Besides, until Iran receives all of the materials, components, etc., which Russia offered to give to them, neither Israel, nor the USA, nor anyone else will have a clear picture of precisely what Iran's intentions are.

To launch an airstrike on them at this point would be premature and irresponsible.

Have some faith in the free world's intelligence community. They're more on the ball than you think they are.

113 The Isreali's are racist against jews.  I am the tolerant one.  the Isreali's will pay if they make the jews look bad.

114 66 What if Putin was looking to take over those oil fields?   He has all sorts of people in place.   He could blow up the reactors,  take out the labs,  decapitate the government,  and be sitting there controlling the oil.
-----------
Devious. Do you have a newsletter?

115 I like to think there are enough sensible Americans left that any anti-Israel reaction from the Mohammedan Mouthpiece and his lapdogs in Congress and the media would be met with mass public outrage. Perhaps even a...well...that word you can't use at Tepid Air.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 19, 2010 09:46 PM (Ulu3i)

Sadly, I wouldn't bet on that.  The major problem is the monetary and economic disruptions that will likely emanate after any Israeli strike could end up triggering credit crisis 2.0 - which is barreling down the road at us, anyway.  These financial problems stemming from an Israeli strike could be mitigated, if not totally removed, but only if the US and some of Europe supports Israel. Unfortunately, they (and we) are intentionally going to try to magnify any financial problems stemming from an Israeli raid, to turn everyone against Israel, and after that, all bets are off. 

That's how I've been looking at the aftermath of an Israeli attack.  With Bush, Israel would have had the US on its side, which would have greatly dampened any serious after-effects of the raid, but with The Indonesian, he's just looking to exacerbate and pump up any such consequences.  A real crisis (caused by isolating Israel) would be too tempting to let go to waste, and Americans would be thrown for a real loop.

116 I'm just hoping that Israel somehow swapped out the control rods with water soluble ones.

117

The fuel rods are not radioactive yet. That requires that some fission occur. The reactor won't be powered up right away. So, it does not have to be tonight.

But I don't think that Israel is going to strike the Iranian nuclear program anyway. I think they have decided not to.

118 NYT tonight:

The Obama administration, citing evidence of continued troubles inside Iran’s nuclear program, has persuaded Israel that it would take roughly a year — and perhaps longer — for Iran to complete what one senior official called a “dash” for a nuclear weapon, according to American officials.

White House officials said they believe the assessment has dimmed the prospect that Israel would pre-emptively strike against the countryÂ’s nuclear facilities within the next year, as Israeli officials have suggested in thinly veiled threats.

American officials said, in contrast to a year ago, that IranÂ’s nuclear program was not currently the central focus of discussions between top leaders in Washington and Jerusalem. During the last visit to Washington by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu  of Israel in early July, the Iranian program was relatively low on the agenda, according to one senior administration official.


Welp, so much for those overflight rights. Pretty clear signaling here.

119 I just finished my Real Ho's of DC episode.  I'm convinced we're all going to hell in a handbasket.  Or a launched nuclear whatever from Iran.

I need to finish off this bottle of wine and go to bed.  And hopefully not wake up.

120 Well, before we all begin glowing, can we talk shoes?


I denounce myself, because I'm not a shoe slave.

121 I need to finish off this bottle of wine and go to bed.  And hopefully not wake up.

Damn, aintchoo a ray of sunshine...

122 Glad I filled up my tank today and pre-paid my heating oil.

123 Hmmm, now that I think about it, glad I just finished seam sealing my mountain tent.  At this rate, it might come in handy.

124 'Air crash near Bushehr, drones slam into reactor dome.' There's already been some action going on for a few weeks now. http://www.debka.com/

125 Wouldn't surprise me to hear that a major earthquake has struck the Bushehr region when I wake up tomorrow.

126 Wouldn't surprise me to hear that a major earthquake has struck the Bushehr region when I wake up tomorrow.

Posted by: HugoFitch at August 19, 2010 11:20 PM (caUKO)

I think that we could do that with nothing more than 50 hot babes flashing their breasts.  Maybe we should add in another 100 smoking hot chicks in bikinis ... just to make sure.

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76 You put them out of their misery, because they are clearly suffering from hydrophobia, or some other brain eating disease.

I don't think Israel will do something this weekend; will they do something? I think they have to, and they will have to be brutal and brilliant with it (but not as brilliant as they would have had to have been up until now).  I'm not so sure that we will not see a major terrorist attack, and then Israel will jump and jump hard.

Sigh, either way, I have a kid sitting right in the middle of it all...and here I sit...wishing a thing comes to pass that would place her right in the middle of it.  I'm sure she will be fine, but still it would be very nice to not have her near there when things do finally happen. At the very least -- please Israel, be successful -- be successful beyond anyone's wildest imaginings.

128 God Speed, Israel.

129 #135, those were Iranian target drones put up for the facility's air defense element to practice on. They crashed, none were hit.

And an Iranian F-4 Phantom II crashed nearby during exercises. The IAF is having a bad week.

130 76 What do you say to someone who thinks that Israel is the cause of all the world's wars? Seriously, I have an acquaintance who thinks that and also believes that the Mossad carried out 9/11.

Posted by: RKS at August 19, 2010 09:18 PM (4tRTF)

I saw, "Jews don't start wars, we just punch racist assholes in the cake hole in 3... 2... 1..."

I'm what I call a "Bacon-eatin' Jew," my Mother's Mother's Mother was a Jew, so technically I am, but not observant except that I don't take shit from anti-Semitic sacks of dung.

As far as Iran goes, I seriously hope they piss their nuclear technology down their pants through incompetence, and I think there's a decent chance of that.

One alternative is a fuel-air bomb, large format at least 2000 lbs, filled not with explosives by cyanocrylate glue (with enough evaporating binder to keep it liquid for a few seconds).

Set it off inside the building and they will never fix it all. Ever door, every machine, every button super-glued shut..

131 If Israel goes for it, I hope they go balls-deep and do a full decapitation raid on the military leadership and the ayatollahs in their boy-dens. Hit every palace and command bunker in the country they can.

Rain Hell on them until the Iranians have to draw straws to see which surviving corporal has to crawl out and wave the white flag.

Chuck a few bunker-busters on Hamasshole and Hezbian HQ's on the way home. at that point it will be self defense anyway.

132 Why not hit the fuel rods in route to the reactor?

133 Anyone else notice that there is no Israel on that map? Just Palestine. Must be from Obama's personal collection.

134 Israel does show up on the map. It is to the left of Israel in white on the blue background. in order to fit on the page. It is just not that noticeable.

Has anyone noticed that for some reason, Israel tends to launch attacks on the Sabbath? It seems to almost be deliberate.

135 Two points.  First, while the info about the fueling and radioactive hazard is correct, the problem doesn't get really bad until the reactor has gone critical and "cooked" for a bit.  Then, the danger gets literally exponentially worse.  Second, given that everybody expect Israel to do Osirak II, they probably have something different in mind.  Best to them!

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I think that the Israelies might actually wait until the Iranians crank up the reactor and get it going.     Then they will crack that place open like an egg.    That would hopefully result in the whole site and all the equipment there in becoming highly contaminated and un-salvageable.    They would also hopefully get most of the scientist and engineers that built it.   

 

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