1 always knew the AP was dangerous.  Doctored photos were bad enough.

2 I'm glad that I'm the only one thinking of Associated Press.

/come on, like they're ever going to abandon the media cycle for the good of the country....

3 Al Qaeda in the Associated Press? I knew it! Round 'em up...

4 The March for Life is going on in DC today. They will be labled terrorists.

5

I thought it was supposed to be a disgruntled African Ameerican gentlemen mad at 8 years of Bush and those racist Nazi tea-baggers ?

6

Ace, you make an excellent point.

The democrats demonize anything that can be tied to the GOP using the "seven degrees of Kevin Bacon" method, but they can't seem to connect any dots ever WRT AQ and domestic terror.

7 If we're to have genuine confidence in our government at all (is that still a goal they aspire to?),

No.  They (and sadly I mean most D's and R's) don't give a shit about the public's confidence as long as they have the power)

8

Domestic terror?-yeah I've heard of that you mean national right to life correct?

9 Great post.
I was saying to my wife (a few days after Christmas) that if Flight 253 had actually been brought down, the Left would have had "experts" spending weeks telling us that it was most likely a mechanical failure. With both the Obama Administration and the mainstream media acting as press agents for Islamic terrorists, our chances of getting at the truth in a timely manner are nearly nil.

10

7 Alex,

Indeed, I suspect we will have to have a twenty year plan to make targeted contributions to purge the baby boomer influence on our government once and for all and put govt. back in the customer service, rather than aucratic me$$iah business.

11 This president just doesn't believe that terrosirm is a priority . . . or he doesn't care.

12
We were of course sternly lectured that this was an isolated incident and was not "terrorism" because there was no connection to a foreign terror-sponsoring organization.

Absolutely true.  And there was never any such thing as 'The Mafia' either.

13

Why didn't you come to me like a f'cking man and tell me a Skittles and Unicorns policy wouldnt work against these guys ?

14

11 Wyatt,

The President is more concerned about the "evil insurgency on Wall $treet" than he is about a culure trying desperately to get nuclear weapons into the hands of "nonattributable asserts".....

"change"

15
When even Jack Cafferty is calling bullshit on this PC crap you know they have a problem.

16

My proof.  One of them has already been executed.  They wouldn't have done that to declared Al Queda / Islamic terrorists.

Posted by: polynikes at January 22, 2010 10:51 AM (m2CN7)

Excellent point.

17 "But he was also imprisoned for several months because he overstayed his visa and was holding a fraudulent Somali passport, the Yemen government said. Under pressure from the United States government, Yemen deported Mr. Muhammad in late January 2009."

Does anyone else see a problem here?  American dude hanging out in rural Yemen somehow ends up with a fake Somali passport.  Huh, who would have given him a Somali passport?  I know who the Yemeni government assumed it was.

Our government's response?  Pressure Yemen to free him here.  What, are we now in the business of paying potential terrorists' ways to the US?

18

13,

Rahm, why didn't you come to me like a fucking man and tell me people were eventually goiung to wonder whether a President with three Muslim names might have a soft spot for their antics?

19 Barry: Let's still not jump to any conclusions here.

20 Yes everything is an isolated incident. If Thomas Edison were alive today he would have to reinvent the light bulb every friggin day for a year before the government or the MSM noticed.

21

Initially I was of the Islam is not at fault/a radical wing is the ones doing this.

After years of Muslim Terrorists and Cair aplogists with largely silence from the rest of the Islam crowd I have changed my mind. Especially after doing a little research an actually reading their religious material.

I would brand Islam as a subversive religion and close all the Mosques in the U.S. I would also brand CAIR as a subversive organization.

I would classify them the same as the communists were classified in the 50s and 60s. (You folks who went into the military back in the old days remember that long list of organizations you had to indicate if you were a member of?)

We need to get rid of the PC and return to common sense.

 

22 As for Obama; wouldn't it be advisabel to wonder why he changed his name from Barry to Barach?

23

Here is how the left will quote the post: "Funny how the One Abortion Clinic Bomber Everyone Loves to Talk About is a terrorist...if one subscribes to that conveniently-cramped definition of terrorism"

24
Barack Obama is going to pay the mortgage on my terrorist training camp and put gas in my bomb laden Peugeot.

25 Conservatives have been too broad with the word terrorism -- which should only apply to attacks on civilian populations. This was not a terrorist attack, because it was directed at a legitimate military target -- members of the military outside a recruiting station. Hassan was not terrorism either -- members of the military about to embark to the front. These were unlawful acts of war by unlawful combatants -- and treason.

26

My proof.  One of them has already been executed.  They wouldn't have done that to declared Al Queda / Islamic terrorists.

I agree. However, the states got ahold of him not the feds. Virginia is only 2nd to Texas in using its death penalty.  Had they tried to save this guy McDonnell, then Va Attorney General would have made a HUGE stink. Maryland convicted him too but didn't have the death penalty. I believe other states wanted to execute him too but Va had the best record.

27 Get in line, or shut up. Boy.

28 But...but..but....Barry was gonna 'protect us' and keep those 'people' away.  He said so.  And being a 'nice guy', he'll be sure to see that the 'poor unfortunate person' gets a lawyer.  After all, gotta be 'fair'.

See, I never used the "T" word once.  Just like Barry.  And Janet.  Therefore "No Terrorism Attacks have occurred in the US."

29 put gas in my bomb laden Peugeot Dude, get a Renault. They ignite better, trust me.

30 Ace,

Terrorism largely is a public relations issue; hence derivative of the word "terror".

Your point about that not being the only aspect of managing terrorism is a good one, but a big component of dealing with terrorism is managing the PR and psychological aspects of it.

31
"Islam unclenched their fist and all I got was this lousy grenade."

32 I think the whole "lone wolf" vs. "active agent" dichotomy that's used to decide what's an ... eh, man-made disaster" ... is a load of shit anyway. Does it really matter if one of these lunatics goes to AQ clubhouse meetings or talks to their recruiters before murdering people in the name of Allah? Really? If they kill people in the name of Allah, and say they are a member of AQ, then they are.

So fine, the hack bastard idjits we have running our government and in the MSM at the moment go go right ahead with their lies and muddy language and pretend-games. And then we'll have another mass-casualty event that's just a one-off "tragedy" not connected to anything at all. Great.

33 Sven - Absolutely, positively correct.  It's sad, really.

34

Yes! I agree with every word, except for this

Once a person has committed himself to a position, he does not wish to disturb it or reverse himself

which I agree with twice as much.

35 Under pressure from the United States government, Yemen deported Mr. Muhammad in late January 2009.

I have this nagging feeling that something else changed in late January 2009.  It was something really significant, but what it was escapes me at the moment.

36 Excellent, Ace.

37 The democrats demonize anything that can be tied to the GOP using the "seven degrees of Kevin Bacon" method, but they can't seem to connect any dots ever WRT AQ and domestic terror.


That's because they hate the GOP and make common cause with other enemies of old-fashioned western civilization. 

38

Re the Tiller Killer: yes, the dude was a terrorist in the strict sense of the word. Funny, though, how he's painted as representative of the Pro-Life Movement (ergo, Republicans) even though he's a truly rare example of nutism. Like Timothy McVey must be representative of anger at the government. Like the Tea Party movement is dangerous, so Nancy says.

We-don't-like-their-politcs = round up every rare nutjob to prove the point. We-embrace-their-religion (for whatever reason) = ignore the huge base of nutjobs that prove the alternate point.

My mind is a-spin.

39 Uhhh  don'tt we have a President who hung out with the Terrorist Bill Ayers?

Smoked weed in college

Had campaign managers with Che Guevara flags in their offices but they just can't connect the dots with AQ and Islam?

wow

40

By the way, this is nothing new. About a third of the casualties the good guys suffered during Desert Storm was a Scud attack on the hotel where soldiers were being housed. The reaction was "cheap shot" and "lucky shot" and outrage that our enemies could fathom and succeed at killing their enemies. The appropriate response is "score one for the bad guys."

Then came that book-length press release titled The 9/11 Commission Report. Spoiler alert: They concluded that there was enough blame to go around, so the burden of culpability for each person is light enough to be unnoticeable. Again: Score one for the bad guys.

There are bad guys out there, and they brought war to us. My minimum expectation is that our government brings war back to them. The rest are minutiae.

41

38 Hatchet Five,

I suspect this is because American marxists have always lacked the courage and will to do their own dirty work so they engage in vicarious worship of the misguided savages who will in fact attack the cradles of the civilizations which are the only way they the marxists are suffered in the first place.

42

Ace, two thumbs up.  There's times we don't agree totally but, I gotta tell ya, your view on this is dead on imo and should be forwarded to major newspapers (minus some of the language which doesn't really bother me but would bother some of the "straights") after a little minor editing.  It's one of your best pieces.

When you're done for the day, you may have a drink.

43 Oh, and bacon!!

44 Re the Tiller Killer: yes, the dude was a terrorist in the strict sense of the word.

Ace said bomber.  I think he's talking about Eric Rudolph.

45  45 You're right. I have Kansas on the mind for purely locational reasons. What I said is still correct if you take away the "re" part of my comment, though.

46 @46

Sorry.  I should have indicated clearly that I was nit-picking.

47

begone sock

 

48 MikeO, I really do appreciate a heads-up on any stupid I put on parade, even if it's nit-picky. I don't want to be like a blind lefty, after all.

49 The only legitimate issue initially is: "Is he at war with us?"

There's been a complete breakdown in the handling of that one "simple" question. And it doesn't mean he personally has to have actually done a damn thing other than belong to a group (AQ) that is itself at war with us. (Or vv.)

If the suspect says "Hell yes" - treat them that way - revocation of citizenship, unlawful combatant, military tribunals. If, somewhere along the way, the process itself decides "that's just nuts" - fine.

If they lie and say "No", then you start adding up the payroll stubs, itinerary, etc. and prove that to be a lie in a quick -but-formal- hearing.

If physical evidence is lacking, just running through the Constitution and listening to the answers should really do it:
"Do you believe in free speech?"
"Do you believe in freedom of religion?"

Before you get very far at all, you'll have accomplished one of two things from a true AQ guy, either:
1) He's AQ and says hell no.
2) He's AQ but lies - and wipes out half of his propaganda value by publically supporting American values under oath.

The most amusing thing about this entire fiasco is: Handling POWs (and the Left insists all combatants should be treated as POWs) in civilian courts is a war crime.

50

I would brand Islam as a subversive religion and close all the Mosques in the U.S. I would also brand CAIR as a subversive organization.

Posted by: Vic at January 22, 2010 10:54 AM (QrA9E)

Amen, and amen.  Preach on, brother Vic.  That should be step one, coinciding with a vigorous deportation program.  Resistance to the resettlement program should be deemed insurrectionism and punished with swift death via 5.56 to the head. 

51 Great post, Ace!  You are absolutely right, we are dealing with terrorism as a "public relations issue."  Darn scary, especially since it is being dealt that way in the UK and Europe also.  The West is weak, and the radical Islamists are exploiting that to their great advantage.

52

I posted this in the top headlines comments, but it's worth repeating:

80 Holy crap, the apocalypse is now!   Jack Cafferty rips the Pentagon's after report on the Fort Hood shootings and the fact they neglected to cite the real cause, radical Islam.  Here's the link: 

http://tinyurl.com/yhrhmse

53

What scares me more than that is that terrorism is being treated solely as a public relations issue. The only thing that seems to matter is spin and "winning the media cycle."

I think this is a key observation.  The Left will continue to see successful terrorist attacks as nothing more than annoying pin pricks (so long as someone else is the victim).  Perhaps they are, in a sense - it would be hard for small-time bombers/shooters to really do measureably large damage to the US in physical terms.  The US is a big country.  But the idea of letting a bunch of ragged, cousin-humping savages devoid of redeeming human characterstics roam around and randomly murder at will should be deeply, intolerably offensive to any rational human being.  If it continues to get worse, eventually people will get sick of it and start taking matters in hand.  There has been amazing restraint in this nation so far - but the muzzies would do well to quit pushing their luck. 

54 I'm with post 26...and hang 'em high (preferrably in front of a few radical mosques, with scaffolding made from that fire resistant, TT steel, 'cause I'm mean like that).

55 Reactionary, the left considers terrorist attacks as "collateral damage" that we can sustain every now and then, not a big deal.  They have the "intellectual, nuanced" attitude that we all need to chill and worry about much more important like AGW, destroying capitalism and nationalizing health care as well as every other private sector industry.

56

But when these guy actually murder people -- oh no, that wasn't terrorism at all, that was just some lone nut with a gun. (And a Koran.)

I say, old chap, mustn't mention the Koran they were carrying... that's just no kosher.

57

Bwhahahaha!  Suck it bitches!  From Hotair:

"A Justice Department-led task force has concluded that nearly 50 of the 196 detainees at the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, should be held indefinitely without trial under the laws of war, according to Obama administration officials.

The task forceÂ’s findings represent the first time that the administration has clarified how many detainees it considers too dangerous to release but unprosecutable because officials fear trials could compromise intelligence-gathering and because detainees could challenge evidence obtained through coercion."

58 ACE, this letter was just posted to our local FOX 16 station. It's a letter from Abdulhakim Muhammad to the judge in his case. Must read. http://tinyurl.com/y8jx7cf

59 Good news, sorta...only 50 out of 196?

60 I think I saw the suspect at a club named Tech Noir over on Pico

61 56 Reactionary, the left considers terrorist attacks as "collateral damage" that we can sustain every now and then, not a big deal.  They have the "intellectual, nuanced" attitude that we all need to chill and worry about much more important like AGW, destroying capitalism and nationalizing health care as well as every other private sector industry.

Posted by: runningrn at January 22, 2010 12:14 PM (CfmlF)

True.  Well said.  All the more reason that every effort must be made to strip the Left of power, and to render it permanently impotent.

62 I know what's going on.  Opie is trying to put LAWYERS back to work.

63 >... at a time when Yemen is being more closely scrutinized as a source of terrorist plots against the United States. I'm more worried about plots arising from and terrorists trained in the UK. In Yemen, the govt. is fighting Al-Qaeda. In the UK, they're on the dole.

64 > 9 ... I was saying to my wife (a few days after Christmas) that if Flight 253 had actually been brought down, the Left would have had "experts" spending weeks telling us that it was most likely a mechanical failure. ... Posted by: lincolntf To be fair, after TWA 800 went down we had weeks and months of assumptions FROM THE GOVT. that it was most likely terrorism*. Lots of new, pointless, airport security measures went into effect. After a year or two of investigation the conclusion** was that it was a spark in the center fuel tank. * right before the 1996 Atlanta olympics, remember? **they were never able to PROVE that it was a spark in the vapor-filled tank - but that was their best guess.

65

"they were never able to PROVE that it was a spark in the vapor-filled tank - but that was their best guess"

Based on how good these guys are at their job, it was a very good 'guess'. And Boeing - who helped in the investigation - made a lot of changes to the wiring in fuel tanks, which they would not have done based on a 'guess.'

66 I swear, it took me till just today to figure out what you morons were talking about.  Maybe I'm a moron too!

67 Director of DHS:  "So we conclude that the bomber acted alone, and thus this was not a terrorist attack."

Reporter #1:  "But...the guy wrote a letter to the Times last week saying he'd been trained and equipped by Al Qaida."

DDHS:  "That was just a lot of hot air.  He was just blowing smoke."

Reporter #2:  "But how do you explain the fact that the head of Al Qaida in Yemen was interviewed by the BBC last week and boasted that the guy was one of theirs, and that they planned a dozen more?"

DDHS:  "C'mon, you know those A-Q leaders are always claiming credit for everything.  It helps their end-of-year bonus."

Reporter #3:  "Al-Jazeera has reported that Osama bin Laden wrote to the guy's family, congratulating them on their son's mission and enclosing a check.  What about that?"

DDHS:  "We're absolutely certain this incident is unrelated to Al Qaida."

68 flight 800 was an older model 747 that did not get the nose fix and metal fatigue caused the front section of the fuselage to break off.that caused the spark that set off the fuel explosion.we should out law pisslam and tell all the ragheads go back to jihad land or convert to christianity.after that declear opean season on ragheads

69

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