September 02, 2010
— DrewM This is the beauty of diplomacy (smart and otherwise)...there's always another day, another meeting, another agreement which will save the day.
The next round of talks has been scheduled for the 14th and 15th of this month and according to CNN's Ed Henry, that's apparently a big deal.
Officials close to #Mideast talks told me last wk key barometer of success would be whether there was specific sked for 2nd round of talks
Why so soon for round 2? Because things are going so well or they just wanted to shoehorn them in before Israel's self-imposed settlement freeze expires on the 24th?
Meanwhile back in the real world, Hamas says, have fun in DC guys but don't expect anything to change back home.
Operations of resistance will continue and the measures by the occupation and Fatah will not block them," said Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri.Abbas is to meet Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at the State Department later on Thursday for the first direct peace talks for 20 months, but Hamas remains opposed to negotiations with Israel.
"Mahmoud Abbas does not have the right to speak for the Palestinians, nor to represent them and therefore, any results will not be binding on the Palestinian people," Zuhri said.
This is the problem with the American and European approach to Israel and the Palestinians. The Israelis have been told for decades they must make tangible concessions to people like Arafat and Abbas in the name of peace. In return all they ever get are promises the Palestinian side can not and will not be able to deliver on. That's assuming the Palestinians really ever wanted to honor their commitments, which is debatable at best.
Going back to the Madrid Conference, the Oslo Accords, the Wye River Plantation summit, the Gaza pullout, the Gaza war, and even the latest Hamas attack leading up to this round of US presidential legacy building talks, Israel is simply held to a different standard than the Palestinians.
This may make for good political theater in Washington, London and Paris but in the real world, it means nothing will ever change. If you really want to see "peace in the Mideast", it needs to begin with forcing the Palestinians to get their act together internally and accept Israel as the Jewish state. Pull that off and the rest might just follow.
Until then? Set another meeting date and declare victory. Rinse, lather and repeat.
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"Diplomacy" has never solved any substantive matters in dispute, and it never will. Unless, like von Clauswwitz, you define war as a continuation of diplomacy by other means. Generally all that talking and "compromising" just makes things worse, and at best puts off until tomorrow the war that should be waged today.
Posted by: Reactionary at September 02, 2010 10:15 AM (xUM1Q)
Posted by: King Barry I of Douchistan at September 02, 2010 10:16 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 02, 2010 10:16 AM (0GFWk)
Since Obama doesn't support Israel, what impetus does Israel have now to pony up concessions? They actually may get farther with the fuck you approach than the niiiiice-terrorist, have a cookie.
Posted by: dagny at September 02, 2010 10:19 AM (/HFKu)
Who says they're "innocent"? They all share the same gene.
Posted by: Bundesbank Governor Genius at September 02, 2010 10:20 AM (R4rMI)
Posted by: dagny at September 02, 2010 10:21 AM (/HFKu)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 02, 2010 10:21 AM (0GFWk)
Posted by: DocJ at September 02, 2010 10:22 AM (dt6br)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 02, 2010 10:22 AM (0GFWk)
Posted by: Bushehr Nuclear Facility at September 02, 2010 10:22 AM (TsIfY)
Not low enough.
Posted by: Barry & Umbrella at September 02, 2010 10:23 AM (TsIfY)
Posted by: Nighhawk at September 02, 2010 10:23 AM (OtQXp)
Posted by: Imam Barky McSnizzle at September 02, 2010 10:24 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: maddogg at September 02, 2010 10:26 AM (OlN4e)
That is if by working you mean erasing Israel from the map.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at September 02, 2010 10:27 AM (tf9Ne)
Dialog for the sake of dialog.
That's the Democratic/Progressive/Liberal/Marxist way.
Posted by: John P. Squibob at September 02, 2010 10:28 AM (/U/Mr)
Israelis: No.
Obama: Wow, this was great! Let's do this again in a few weeks.
Palestinians: Sounds good!
Israelis: (sigh)...alright.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 02, 2010 10:28 AM (FkKjr)
Posted by: HeatherRadish is a crank at September 02, 2010 10:29 AM (yhlnw)
I'm guessing the middle east will be completely peaceful in time for the US November mid-term elections.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at September 02, 2010 10:29 AM (0fzsA)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 02, 2010 10:29 AM (UOM48)
The talks didn't resolve any issues between the Palis and the Israelis but Hamas agreed to support Chicago's bid for the 2020 Olympics.
Posted by: Cicero at September 02, 2010 10:29 AM (QKKT0)
This is a horribly boring subject. It's boring because we have been through this dog and pony show a hundred times before, and it always turns out the same.
It's an utter sham. There is no Palestinian peace process and never has been. If somebody involved would just admit that, I might start paying attention.
Posted by: Wm T Sherman at September 02, 2010 10:29 AM (w41GQ)
In my humble opinion there will never be peace between Palestine and Israel.as long as Islam is involved. The religion just doesn't call for it.
Posted by: Bosk at September 02, 2010 10:29 AM (pUO5u)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 02, 2010 10:29 AM (0GFWk)
Yes, a Triumph of Diplomacy, we have agreed to the size and shape of the Table we will use to hold further talks.
(now, where Retief when we need him)
Posted by: Keith Laumer at September 02, 2010 10:30 AM (H+oXM)
Posted by: B. Hussein Obama (D) Affirmative Action President at September 02, 2010 10:32 AM (QKKT0)
Nothing says Civilized and Tolerant like beating women to death with rocks. And those mullahs are soooooooooo civilized.....
Posted by: maddogg at September 02, 2010 10:35 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 02, 2010 10:35 AM (0GFWk)
Posted by: barky at September 02, 2010 10:37 AM (/HFKu)
Pres'ent Toonces: Let me be perfectly clear...
Islam: DEATH TO ISRAEL!
Netanyahu: Mr. President, this is what we've been dealing with since the formation of our country.
Islam: DEATH TO ISRAEL!
Pres'ent Toonces: Great meeting, let's get together again next week. Shrimp cocktail anyone? Waffle?
Netanyahu: (sigh)
Islam: DEATH TO ISRAEL!
Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Pro Debate Team, Bacon Raconteur at September 02, 2010 10:37 AM (eCAn3)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 02, 2010 10:41 AM (1Jaio)
In the Koran, Holy Land is mentioned at least seven times, once when Moses proclaims to the Children of Israel: "O my people! Enter the holy land which Allah hath assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin." (Surah 5:21)
It's their religion to overthrow Israel.
Why would they try for peace?
Posted by: dagny at September 02, 2010 10:41 AM (/HFKu)
Israel took Gaza, et al. They think they were just sitting around reading the torah and decided they wanted more land.
No Mideast scholar here, but weren't the Palis using Gaza as a base and staging point to launch raids against Israeli civilians?
Posted by: maddogg at September 02, 2010 10:42 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: president barack obama at September 02, 2010 10:42 AM (3phFo)
Puffing on a dope stick with the head of the Alaskan Libertarian Party?
Posted by: andycanuck at September 02, 2010 10:44 AM (3phFo)
Pretty amazing when the French first lady has more class and compassion than our own dear Moochelle. And from Barky? Silence.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 02, 2010 10:46 AM (UOM48)
They're going to be waiting for a long time...
Posted by: Nighhawk at September 02, 2010 10:46 AM (OtQXp)
Posted by: Bosk at September 02, 2010 10:49 AM (pUO5u)
Quote from link
Q: What's a quick way to tell Israelis from Palestinian miltants?
A: Israelis turn deserts into gardens, Palestinian militants turn gardens into deserts.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at September 02, 2010 10:51 AM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: ChiTown Jerry at September 02, 2010 10:52 AM (f9c2L)
Posted by: denny crane at September 02, 2010 10:53 AM (I+7Zv)
Posted by: In before... oh nevermind at September 02, 2010 10:55 AM (4R2TR)
Posted by: Bosk at September 02, 2010 10:57 AM (pUO5u)
If you quit supporting the terrorists the people will get rid of them. Until that day all this Kabookie theater is a waste of time and money.
None of the Democrats really support it anyway. Anything they do is political BS to impress voters.
Posted by: Vic at September 02, 2010 10:58 AM (/jbAw)
I didn't read the whole page I linked was just looking for info on the greenhouses. so may not be a good place to visit.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at September 02, 2010 10:59 AM (tf9Ne)
38 Immediately on the establishment of Israel as a state, its muslim neighbors: Syria, Egypt, Jordan attack it with the stated goal of complete and utter annilation. http://tinyurl.com/2973fe
Israel prevails and takes, for it's own protection, the Gaza Strip, the Sinai Peninsula, the West Bank, eastern Jerusalem and the Golan Heights. They have returned almost all of it. The pieces they have not returned have been kept mostly for strategic reasons but they have had some settlement there.
Posted by: dagny at September 02, 2010 11:00 AM (/HFKu)
Posted by: ChiTown Jerry at September 02, 2010 11:05 AM (f9c2L)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 02, 2010 11:06 AM (eNxMU)
Posted by: ChiTown Jerry at September 02, 2010 02:52 PM (f9c2L)
great stories, make that 4 on this board who know who Retief is
Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Pro Debate Team, Bacon Raconteur at September 02, 2010 11:19 AM (eCAn3)
I love the Retief stories, but Laumer's Bolo stories are even better.
Posted by: Sharkman at September 02, 2010 11:50 AM (Zj8fM)
I love the Retief stories, but Laumer's Bolo stories are even better.
Posted by: Sharkman at September 02, 2010 03:50 PM (Zj8fM)
I don't know, but I'd have to say "Diplomat at Arms" the very first Retief story, beats out most of the Bolo stories....
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