1 It will not matter.McCain will still get reelected.

2 Deady?

3 already fixed

4 Before anyone starts debating the origin of the quote, I'll cut you off...

It's a quote on how McCain was sucking up to people in South Carolina by saying he supported their flying of the Confederate flag in 2000, when the polling in that state showed him in danger of losing the primary to W.

For someone who whined for YEARS that he lost that particular primary due to dirty push-polling by W, he sure seemed to know he was going to lose there and was selling out his personal integrity in a vain attempt to push through and win.

5 Ah, fixed. Thanks. And yes, McCain will be reelected.

6 Copyright infringement charge in 5..4..3..2..

7 It's pretty sad McCain's career is going to end this way. The guy should have gone out with some dignity like Dole. He will probably win reelection but his legacy is toast. The  naked pandering he's done this election is worse than the postion's he has taken over the past few years. Maverick? Maverick's don't pretend to be not mavericky for primary elections.

8 It's really a shame that it's Hayworth running running against Mav.

Anytime a candidate puts out a killer attack ad like this but have to tag it with them  on camera saying, "I"ve made my mistakes...." you know the guy is in trouble.

What could have been.....

9 Awesome, but not Eddie M. Campbell awesome.

10 Would support Hayward if only because he pisses off the libtards so badly.

11

My Friends.

12 "Awesome" headline day on AoS?

13 That said I don't know enough about Arizona politics to know who else would be a viable, conservative candidate in that state.

14

Periodically, poll results compel McCain to strikes a new dramatic pose. Each new pose is completely divorced from all his previous history of dramatic posing. Self-contradiction, no problem.  The spectacle of his strained sanctimony clenches up my guts sometimes. He more or less threw the 2008 election. I think if he were replaced by a potted plant, we'd be no worse off.

So -what could we expect from Senator Hayworth?  Bit of a hack, isn't he?

15 Shame Jan Brewer can't be Governor and Senator

16 Why was this quote not used in the 08 primaries?
oh, I forgot - R's are too nice to honestly eviscerate their opponent. old chap.

17 And McCain hits back. playing the Abramoff card. Wish he'd have fought 1/10 this hard in 2008.

18 What a great ad- the best I've seen in many years.

I don't care if JD Hayworth raped his dog, he deserves support by exposing McCain for the sleazy lying fuck he is, and for the "fuck you" he will give to the Republican Party the second he is reelected.

McCain was one of the main reasons for the destruction of the Republican Party in the 2004-2008 period and the ascendence of the Dims, and that's not even including his half-assed disaster of a campaign.

19 Hey you Mexicans, get off my dang lawn!

20 Where does his thing about lying or losing come from? What was he talking about? If it's about politics then it is fair game, but if it references his years in captivity, then I think that is a low blow. Anyone know?

21
Would support Hayward if only because he pisses off the libtards so badly.

Indeed.  If it makes attackerman (really dude?) cry and want to push people through plate glass windows, I'm for it.

22

McCain needs to retire.  Hayworth needs to go away, and the Republican party needs fresh young awesome new talent.

23 I don't care if JD Hayworth raped his dog, Hater! It was rape-rape! [sobs]

24

So he lied, and lost anyway, and then later confessed to lying in a book. Not to mention, smeared his Republican opponent by acccusing him of smearing, to explain his loss.

What a douchebag.

 

 

25 21 Where does his thing about lying or losing come from? What was he talking about? If it's about politics then it is fair game, but if it references his years in captivity, then I think that is a low blow. Anyone know?

See comment #4, or Ace's update.

26 #21: read Ace's full writeup and/or comment #4.

27 I don't care if JD Hayworth raped his dog,

What about a dog mannequin?

28

And McCain hits back. playing the Abramoff card.

I call your Abramoff and raise you a Keating.

29 I don't care if JD Hayworth raped his dog,
Posted by: TexasJew

Hey, don't even talk like that. It's always funny  raping the dog, what about if you are the dog, not much fun.

30 Wish he'd have fought 1/10 this hard in 2008.

Posted by: notropis at August 09, 2010 11:45 AM (/b4MR)

And this from Mr. Keating Five himself.

Shit, why can't that old sick lying egotistical motherfucker crawl into a hole somewhere and die with dignity? He'll destroy his Party to stay in power. He's done it before...

31 #21: read Ace's full writeup and/or comment #4. Posted by: Ian S. at August 09, 2010 11:50 AM (p05LM) See comment #4, or Ace's update. Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 09, 2010 11:50 AM (9hSKh) Thanks. OK great I dislike the McCain of the last 10 years. He really should just go home and enjoy his senior years.

32 And McCain hits back. playing the Abramoff card.

Posted by: notropis at August 09, 2010 11:45 AM (/b4MR)

LOL.  One of the Keating Five is going after Hayworth for taking some money from Abramoff folks?  Too funny. 

On top of that, the "Abramoff scandal" was much ado about close to nothing.  The Keating Five, on the other hand ...

33 I guess i really should read the whole post and thread before I post, but hey, it's Monday AM and I am a tad grouchy

34 I don't care if JD Hayworth raped his dog,

If only!

35 Hayworth shouldn't use this. I'm sure he has engaged in enough lies, blatant pandering and general fuckweaselish behavior in his political "career" to make this a "pot-calling-the-kettle...." situation.

I have to say the McCain bashing -- here and over at Tepid Air -- is getting kinda tiring. I agree the guy is a Squish Supreme, and some of his views (on immigration, bailouts and "reaching across the aisle," for example) are repugnant.

But he is not an arrogant America-hating, racist, communist dupe bent on making Kleenex out of the Constitution. And he wasn't one during the '08 campaign.

Moreover, being a squish, he would likely have altered course on some of the more reprehensible parts of his agenda when confronted with massive public disapproval, something Osama Obama hasn't done.

Some people have publicly sworn off of LOTE voting. But, as some of them go on to extol the virtues of Mutt Romney, the unproven Sarah Palin or lesser candidates about whom they know little other than what they read in Ed/Allah's or Ace's headlines, I'm not buyin' it.

36 In a Congress already rife with the criminally stupid/insane on the Left, from Kucinich to Sanders to Hastings to Waters to Franken, etc., etc., etc., there ought to be room for a Hayworth or two. Our "fringe" is the goddamn Chamber of Commerce, for crying out loud.

37

So -what could we expect from Senator Hayworth?  Bit of a hack, isn't he?

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at August 09, 2010 11:43 AM (tm15w)

 

That's an irresponsible and sleazy, snide insinuation. What do you know about J.D.? 

38 He really should just go home and enjoy his senior years.

And his millions.

And his hot wife.

And...

Hey, since he won't leave Washington, can I enjoy the millions and hot wife until he gets back?

39
I'd like to see Hayworth win.

If that can't happen, I'd like to see John McCain lose in November. Give me Hayworth or nothing. The important thing is to get rid of McCain.

40

If you've read McCain's book you'd understand the context.  McCain is brutally honest about times he feels he's failed as a man, as a son, as a student, a navy pilot, and a politician.  He admits in public through his books his shame of his decision in this instance, of the way he represented his family name as a hard-headed student in college, and even at the time he was finally broken after years as a P.O.W. in Vietnam.

I've read the book and met the man.  I respect him, even though I disagree with several of his political decsision.  I've also been around J.D., and I can't tell people enough what an embarrasing buffoon they guy is.  I often tell people the only thing J.D. did for my district was ensure Democrat Harry Mitchell got a job...and he was one of the final votes on Obamacare.  In Arizona, it would be nice to get some new blood in the Senate (though we love Kyl)...but not if the other option is the ridiculous J.D. Hayworth.

41
it'll send a nice little message to Graham, Collins, Snowe, and the rest of 'em who have nothing but contempt for the conservative base and our core values.

42

That's an irresponsible and sleazy, snide insinuation. What do you know about J.D.? 

Posted by: Hey, where did Denny Crane go? Come back here, you little rascal. at August 09, 2010 11:55 AM (sYrWB)

That free government money ad, for one thing.

But I'd take Hayworth over McCain at this point. Or a potted plant.

43

So -what could we expect from Senator Hayworth?  Bit of a hack, isn't he?

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at August 09, 2010 11:43 AM (tm15w)

Who fucking cares? The Republican Party is doomed unless it relieves itself of its biggest RINO and turncoat. A reelected McCain is going to build a coterie of RINO squishes - Brown, Graham, the Maine sisters and on and on - and will entice more. He will enable and strengthen them and cut side deals with the Dims, fucking over the conservatives and libertarian Pubbies.

He has to go.

44 I'm SO glad I voted for Ken Buck rather the McCain's gal Jane Norton in our primary which ends tuesday. Jane has also been running dirty attack ads on Buck -- gee thanks Jane, way to turn off undecideds from voting R if you happen to lose the primary.

45 My hope would be that Hayworth would pander in a more productive manner than McCain.

46

That's an irresponsible and sleazy, snide insinuation. What do you know about J.D.? 

Posted by: Hey, where did Denny Crane go? Come back here, you little rascal. at August 09, 2010 11:55 AM (sYrWB)

He raped his dog, it's all over the interwebs

47 "... selling out his personal integrity..."

I'm pretty sure it's a violation of Federal law to attempt to sell something you do not possess and to which you do not hold title.

48 My biggest problem with McCain, is that his lies are so transparent - he seems to not put any effort in to them. It's disrespectful. Like he's saving the really good stories for when Larry King shows up. He treats us like Montel Williams.

http://tinyurl.com/24cwjg5

49 McCain has been an eager stumbling-block to conservative Republicanism for years.  I'll take a lesser junior Senator who we can dump down the road if we need to to get rid of the 'Maverick.'

50
You guys shitting on Hayworth really make me laugh.

Get your fucking heads out of your asses. McCain has done nothing except lie to us, scold us, and help the Democrats win.  Besides amnesty, remember McCain's bill of rights for Al Qaeda?

George Bush's legacy is Barack Hussein Obama...and it was John McCain who helped  make it happen.

51 I don't care if Hayworth was found on a park bench right next to the entrance to the church, pulling his pudd, and feeling up an armless mannequin.   I would still prefer him than McCain because while he's pulling his pudd he's not stabbing us in the back.

And this:

For someone who whined for YEARS that he lost that particular primary due to dirty push-polling by W, he sure seemed to know he was going to lose there and was selling out his personal integrity in a vain attempt to push through and win.

When I heard about that I did an in-office survey of at least 100 people. Not a single damn one of them got one of those "push-poll" calls that was discussed.

A lot of them got standard poll calls but not the one about the "black child". I think that whole thing was BS.

52

My friends, I need this job.

Meghan, grocery bill?

Unless you all want to feed her.

53 I don't think anybody shit on Hayworth.

54 So -what could we expect from Senator Hayworth?

The question is, what could we not expect?

There will be no Hayworth-Feingold
No Hayworth-Kennedy

55 47 Exactly. Rather a guy who would pander to the Tea Parties than a guy who'll pander to MSNBC. Whatever happens, we can't lose that Senate seat or it will be hailed as a reverse Scott Brown/Chris Christie/McDonnell "statement" election. Not to mention giving Obama another vote for the scorched earth policy that is surely coming before 2012.

56 We lose senority and the influence McCain has on conservative democrats.  

Posted by: polynikes at August 09, 2010 11:59 AM (m2CN7)

I can't think of even a single example where McShame has moved conservative dems to the right.

57
In my analysis of John McCain I have come up with one thing: Jan Brewers balls are bigger than his...mine being the biggest of all, of however.

58
it's a Hayworth poop-fest in here!

I consider myself a political junkie and in-the-loop, and I can't think of a single thing Hayworth pissed me off about. But I can name a lot of shit McCain said and did that pissed me off.

59 Wish he'd have fought 1/10 this hard in 2008.

This time, he's fighting for his spot in the limelight and his paycheck. In 2008, he had his Senate seat to fall back on.

This is why we should demand that anyone running for an elected office should resign from whatever office they currently hold. I'd prefer that requirement apply before the primaries (reasons to follow), but even waiting for the nomination would be enough.

As for what office holders should be forced to resign BEFORE THEY'RE EVEN NOMINATED: look, we already have a permanent political class. The only way they seem to leave the office they're squatting in is if they get elected to a higher office or get cocky enough they commit a crime in front of Republican witnesses. Making them resign from their current office before they can even run for the next one will at least build a little more "churn" into the system.

60

The surge.

Posted by: polynikes at August 09, 2010 12:05 PM (m2CN7)

How so?

61 "36 Hayworth shouldn't use this. I'm sure he has engaged in enough lies, blatant pandering and general fuckweaselish behavior in his political "career" to make this a "pot-calling-the-kettle...." situation.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 09, 2010 11:54 AM (Ulu3i)"

Well, Mccain has campaigned hard against Hayworth.  Hayworth even admits to making mistakes in this very ad.

What possible logic is there in Hayworth forgiving Mccain for admitting to lying in the name of winning an election?  That seems like the most powerful argument imaginable against someone making hard to swallow promises that appear to go against Mccain's whole career!  And Mccain won't have another election to worry about.

The fact that Mccain is lying, right now, to Arizona, and about to be the needed compromiser so Obama can work around the coming 2010 GOP victories, is freaking important information that Hayworth ought to share.

I don't like Hayworth either.  At all.  But mainly because of corruption.  This ad shows that Mccain is also corrupt, and it's not really clear how corrupt Hayworth is.  I do know which one of these guys will instantly switch to 'fuck you' mode as soon as the election is over.  Worse than ever before, due to the intensity of the campaign against Mccain and the fact that Mccain will finally be free of any future elections.

hayworth needs to run this ad, and he needs to ad clarity that it's about Mccain admitting to lying about his real views in a heated election.

62

If you've read McCain's book you'd understand the context.  McCain is brutally honest about times he feels he's failed as a man, as a son, as a student, a navy pilot, and a politician.  He admits in public through his books his shame of his decision in this instance, of the way he represented his family name as a hard-headed student in college, and even at the time he was finally broken after years as a P.O.W. in Vietnam.

Does he admit his attitude towards illegals is another failure? No?

Then I want him out of office.

63 This is why we should demand that anyone running for an elected office should resign from whatever office they currently hold.

I hear what you're saying but imagine all the special elections states would have to hold even if the person lost whatever office they were running for.

64 "
As for what office holders should be forced to resign BEFORE THEY'RE EVEN NOMINATED: look, we already have a permanent political class. The only way they seem to leave the office they're squatting in is if they get elected to a higher office or get cocky enough they commit a crime in front of Republican witnesses. Making them resign from their current office before they can even run for the next one will at least build a little more "churn" into the system.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at August 09, 2010 12:05 PM (ZJ/un)"

Why the hell not?  This is a very good idea.  It's not perfect.  It's not completely fair.  I think it's a great reform that hurts career politicians a lot more than ordinary citizens who want to represent their people for a short time.  I love it.

65 Jean: "Shame Jan Brewer can't be Governor and Senator"

I'm not convinced she's the dyed in the wool conservative she's being portrayed to be. As I understand it, Brewer was pretty milquetoast, barely leading against even Democrat opponents until the illegal alien/border fence issue became so hot. Instantly she gained something like 20 points in the polls and she's been riding that wave ever since. It's political gold. Any politician who embraces border security/anti-amnesty policy, contrary to the elitist/MFM/academia spin, wins massive popular support.

Is she acting like McCain? I wouldn't go that far as McMaverick is one shameless D.C. hack of a politician, but she deserves a bit more scrutiny in spite of excellent conservative leanings now.

66
That's one of the things I loved about the 2000 election -- to hedge his bet, Joe "Hack" Lieberman ran for reelection in the Senate, too.

Showed how much confidence he had in the Sore/Loserman ticket.

67 39 <sup>_{He really should just go home and enjoy his senior years.}

And his millions.

And his hot wife.

And...

Hey, since he won't leave Washington, can I enjoy the millions and hot wife until he gets back?
Posted by: nickless</sup>

Amen. Is Cindy McCain about the perfect woman? Hot, big cans and owns a beer distributorship!!! If I was John McCain, I do believe I would be retired with a nose like W.C. Fields, and Cindy would be going for a scamper transplant about every 6 months.

68 This is why we should demand that anyone running for an elected office should resign from whatever office they currently hold. I'd prefer that requirement apply before the primaries (reasons to follow), but even waiting for the nomination would be enough.

As for what office holders should be forced to resign BEFORE THEY'RE EVEN NOMINATED: look, we already have a permanent political class. The only way they seem to leave the office they're squatting in is if they get elected to a higher office or get cocky enough they commit a crime in front of Republican witnesses. Making them resign from their current office before they can even run for the next one will at least build a little more "churn" into the system.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at August 09, 2010 12:05 PM (ZJ/un)

I, for one, can't believe that it isn't clearly illegal, as law stands, for a person to collect a paycheck from the government in one job while spending his working hours toiling towards leaving that job and getting another government job.  I never understood how this was allowed, by existing law.

69

"Wish he'd have fought 1/10 this hard in 2008."

It helps when every attack on your opponent isn't immediately dismissed as further evidence of your racism.

70 61
it's a Hayworth poop-fest in here!

I consider myself a political junkie and in-the-loop, and I can't think of a single thing Hayworth pissed me off about. But I can name a lot of shit McCain said and did that pissed me off.

Posted by: fiscal ferret, social fruit bat at August 09, 2010 12:05 PM (uFokq)

He'll get his chance to piss you off after he's elected.

The tone here is anti-McCain, and pro-Hayworth. It's reasonable to take a realistic look at Hayworth and support him with our eyes wide open.

A mere discussion on this web site is not going to influence the outcome of the election.

 

71 McCain loves big government as much as Obama. He digs the shit out of it.

He comes from a military family with zero private business experience. He sees the private sector as just working on "greed' and has attacked private enterprise system as being somewhat less honorable, as if people who sacrifice,  work their asses off and support their families and who comprise the central core of this country's wealth, freedom and prosperity are somewhat dishonorable.
In other words, if you don't get a public pension, you suck.

McCain's symbolic and pandering attack on million-dollar "earmarks" in a time of bloated multitrillion dollar giveaways and kickbacks by the big government-loving socialists is pathetic. Does he think that we can't count?

Just shitcan the cocksucker.

72 As for what office holders should be forced to resign BEFORE THEY'RE EVEN NOMINATED:

Amen brother.

At least stop paying them in one office while they campaign for another.
Better yet, make the fuckers punch a clock.
I bet that would win a referendum.

73 Has "my friend" McCain publically, and emphatically announced that there is nothing to fear in an Hayworth senatorial election and said Hayworth would make a good Senator?

74 Special elections are very cheap.

Politicians pretend they aren't because they like to exploit us, but compared to the Beltway pricetag these days, it's nearly free in comparison.  A special election in every single race every single month would be less than a percent of a percent of a percent of the price of our federal budget.

but we could simply organize a better election system.  It's my opinion that we need some kind of better format for elections.  All votes should require a fingerprint, even absentee, that is somehow separated from the actual vote (use your imagination).  All ballots should only be issued after a voter agrees to having reviewed a policy statement from candidates (I realize this violates ancient civil rights ideas that are now completely stupid and obsolete and should be done away with completely).

All candidates should offer a policy statement outlining their goals and initiatives in a contract form.  Not legally binding, but putting them in their place.  "If elected, I will do x,y,z". 

I realize most of this shit is pipe dream.  So was our Republic, at one point.

75 I'm not convinced she's the dyed in the wool conservative she's being portrayed to be.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 09, 2010 12:09 PM (swuwV)

She's not.  Not even close.  She seems to support legalization of illegals, after interior enforcement is ramped up.  That's a little better than the idiots who want amnesty after a border fence is constructed, but not much.  But, she is the lead in defending state's rights (especially as applies to issues that states have certain control over, such as policing their own citizenry) so that's where we are.

76
shut up everyone!

Karl Rove is on for Rush

77 The difference between McCain-Grahamnesty and Brown-Collins-Snowe? McCain-Grahamnesty recruit those who would reach across the aisle and stab conservatives in the back. That's unforgivable. And then there's the lying as a bonus.

The two most damaging politicians to the Right are McCain-Grahamnesty.

78 "
Is she acting like McCain? I wouldn't go that far as McMaverick is one shameless D.C. hack of a politician, but she deserves a bit more scrutiny in spite of excellent conservative leanings now.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 09, 2010 12:09 PM (swuwV)"

ya know, I realize you make a good point, but we have to give some faith to those who do our side some major 'favors' (their job).  If we don't reward the Brewers, we wind up with Mccains.

Brewer has stood up to some powerful assholes, and she's earned my loyalty to great extent.  It will take something substantial for her to lose it.  This is how strong factions are formed.

79 11#

Old

Posted by: toby928 at August 09, 2010 11:40 AM (S5YRY)

Old? 

Shit Ace is up before NOON, THAT'S NEW!

80 Posted by: Legendary Former Rapist Roman Polanski at August 09, 2010 12:08 PM

The best political reform, IMO, would consist of simply forcing all candidates and officeholders to obey the law and face arrest/punishment when they break laws, just as we lesser beings are expected to do.

Think about it: this one simple step would have kept Osama Obama, virtually all Democrats and a substantial number of Republicans out of office, or at least would have taken away their power if they somehow managed to do right during their campaigns.

Would have thwarted McCain and Hayworth, too. Not to mention Now-Zombies Ted Kennedy and John Murtha, Barely Functional Charlie Rangel and Alcee Hastings. Among so many others.

Ah well, one can dream....

81 There is no upside to McCain keeping his seat.

Think about if the Rs take back the Senate--this year or in 2012:
McCain, as senior member, will be Chairman of several committees--and he will decide who gets on those committees. He will set the staff and the agenda. And you can be sure that he will kill a lot of conservative amendments and bills in those committees.  True to form, he will do most of his backstabbing behind the scenes and in the dark.
A robust measure to de-fund or repeal ANY of 0bama's agenda will be DOA in a McCain-run committee.

82 79
shut up everyone!

Karl Rove is on for Rush

Posted by: fiscal ferret, social fruit bat at August 09, 2010 12:15 PM (uFokq)

Rove was part of the problem. He never told W to pull his head out of his stupid Compassionate Conservative ass and helped push McCain's Shamnesty Bill as well.

83 Magnificent Bastard filling in admirably for Rush, so far.

84

It helps when every attack on your opponent isn't immediately dismissed as further evidence of your racism.

Posted by: reason

Don't forget the sitting President literally scaring the shit out of the population about the impending financial doom if the first TARP wasn't passed. Remember, McCain was either tied or leading up to that point. After that, McCain and the GOP were fucked.

85
AD is right on.

Gang of 14, anyone?

^{Right on, bro.}

86 75 As for what office holders should be forced to resign BEFORE THEY'RE EVEN NOMINATED:

Amen brother.

At least stop paying them in one office while they campaign for another.
Better yet, make the fuckers punch a clock.
I bet that would win a referendum.

Posted by: nine coconuts at August 09, 2010 12:12 PM (DHNp4)

When he reached the New World, Cortez burned his ships. As a result his men were well motivated.

87

NO....The Awsomeness of this Ad, and why it works is Hayworth saying "I've made my mistakes"....

And everyone knows how Christians love a Sinner, who repents... and McCain has NEVER repented... he just lies about his past.

If Hayworth continues down that line... he could swing the election.

88
yeah, Rove has his faults. But he pulled a victory out of his ass for Bush in 2004.

89 Oh, and  I think the ad is damn good.

Had that 1964 daisy ad feel to it.   Right to the jugular.

Won't work.

90 91
yeah, Rove has his faults. But he pulled a victory out of his ass for Bush in 2004.

Posted by: fiscal ferret, social fruit bat at August 09, 2010 12:19 PM (uFokq)

Isn't Rove guest-hosting Rush today?

91

I wish J.D. Hayworth was the CHANGE that the commenters seem to HOPE he would be, but as a long time conservative resident and business owner in J.D.'s district, I can tell you you'd be wrong.  Never be foolish enough to vote for a guy you don't really know about just because he ain't the other guy.  Haven't we at least learned that?

Those of us who are politically active in AZ know both guys, and unfortunately J.D. is not a better alternative to McCain.

92 Fuck McCain.  Before 2008 I couldn't understand why people like TexasJew were so rough on him.  Now having seen the fuckstick campaign that asshole ran, I can't believe everybody doesn't have TexasJew's attitude.

93 yeah, Rove has his faults. But he pulled a victory out of his ass for Bush in 2004.

Posted by: fiscal ferret, social fruit bat at August 09, 2010 12:19 PM (uFokq)

I like Rove as a commetator, but I have to strongly disagree, here.  Bush should have won by 10% in 2004.  Instead, he squeaked by, thanks only to the Swift Boat Vets and to Bush's demand to stay in Iraq until victory, which was the key to the election.  Kerry wanted to run away from Iraq and America didn't.  Other than that, Bush would have been toast when it should have been a very easy election for him.

I thought Bush should have declined to run again in 2004, since he was emotionally exhausted from all that happened since 2001, as that was clearly the case and resulted in Bush veering wildly leftwards in his second term.

94 But he pulled a victory out of his ass for Bush in 2004.

Exactly. And the alternative wasn't as bad as Obama, but pretty f'n scary. Besides, by GWB's second term Rove had a diminished influence on actual policy, IMO.

95 So the choice for Arizona GOP voter is McCain who they know is a two-faced douche and Hayworth. Real tough choice there Arizona. Do you go with the man who was a large part of the reason Bush couldn't get anything conservative through the senate or the guy who wrote a book about closing the border. Hmmm....

96 We also have the exposure that JD Hayworth is a proven fuck up that the Dems can capitalize on.   

Posted by: polynikes at August 09, 2010 11:59 AM (m2CN7)

A "proven" fuck-up, huh? 

Aw jeezez, man!!! You don't know squat about J.D.!!! Your opinion is pure, unadulterated bullshit.

And the Democrats will "capitalize" on J.D.'s shortcomings, huh?

That's laughable. You're clueless, man.

Just more of your screwy assumptions, even screwier conjectures and extremely irresponsible accusations - none of which are supported by the facts.

The Democrats are scared shitless of J.D., and they have always hated him, because he has always been an articulate and very effective advocate for conservatives ...., and he is a good family man and a devout Christian and one of Rush Limbaugh's buddies.

97

Meghan, grocery bill?

Unless you all want to feed her.

She's over 18.  Tell her if she wants to keep getting Hagan-Daaz six times a day, she'll have to get a job

98 I thought Bush should have declined to run again in 2004, since he was emotionally exhausted from all that happened since 2001, as that was clearly the case and resulted in Bush veering wildly leftwards in his second term.

Happens to the best of us.

99

Rove was part of the problem. He never told W to pull his head out of his stupid Compassionate Conservative ass and helped push McCain's Shamnesty Bill as well.

Posted by: TexasJew at August 09, 2010 12:18 PM

I am sick and tired of seeing fuckwits like Rove, Little Dick Morris, Newt "Great American" Gingrich and other worn-out hacks being paraded around the TV and radio circuit as if they actually mean something.

Every one of them is long past his (or her) sell-by date and should be dumped down the garbage disposal. They are bugs in the system, not features.

100 91
yeah, Rove has his faults. But he pulled a victory out of his ass for Bush in 2004.

Posted by: fiscal ferret, social fruit bat at August 09, 2010 12:19 PM (uFokq)

Hindsight is golden, but sometimes I wonder if it wouldn't have been better to have W lose in a squeaker to Kerry, let the shit fall during Lurch's administration and have the Pubbies keep a majority in the House and a filibuster-capable minority in the Senate, fucking up his agenda anyway.

We would have had a new and probably conservative President now and the economy would have come back by now. Outside of the Surge, what good was Bush's last term except to usher in the Socialists?

He curled up into a ball and let them kick him again and again. It was pathetic - at least as bad as Carter's single term.

101 She's over 18

You meant 18 stone, no?

102 Oh, crap. We are back to the "Purity without power is better than some accomodation in power" blather.

If Hayworth can win in November, then more power to him. But if he can't and McCain can, then the choice is obvious.

103 Those of us who are politically active in AZ know both guys, and unfortunately J.D. is not a better alternative to McCain.

I still look at things from the prism of "A freshman JD is less dangerous than a high-seniority McCain".

There's only so many things that a freshman Senator can do to cause problems while McCain, currently #18 on the Senate's Seniority list,  can cause major problems.  He's also going to be at least #16 in the new list if re-elected because Arlen Specter and Chris Dodd are out no matter what.

That's not even going into his tendency to trash fellow Republicans in the press and doing stupid "cross the aisle" deals to undercut the party.

104 Legendary Former Rapist Roman Polanski: "Brewer has stood up to some powerful assholes, and she's earned my loyalty to great extent..."

Right now, she has and I've even contributed to her legal defense fund against the Obama Administration's attack on the legal citizens of Arizona. It's just important to know the full context of exactly who we're getting lest we create the wrong impression of a candidate, one that will be used against us should "hard-core conservative" turn grow in office. Look at McCain as exhibit A: One moment he's the most radical fundamentalist right-wing whack job and the next he's an amnesty loving statist hell-bent on shutting up people's speech and shutting down GITMO.

We need to know what we're getting before swallowing a lie.

Which brings us right back to Maverick- antiMaverick McCain.

105

He curled up into a ball and let them kick him again and again. It was pathetic - at least as bad as Carter's single term.

Posted by: TexasJew at August 09, 2010 12:27 PM

I don't disagree with you, while not buying progressoverpeace's assertion that 9/11 turned Bush into a weak, left-leaning, open-borders squish.

After 9/11, the public would have cheered if Bush had nuked Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan. Saudi Arabia, too, would have been ecstatic if he sent in military commanded by get-'er-done generals. Instead, he wimped us into a war that goes on today.

He always rolled that way. So, in his own way, did Daddy Bush, who decided to let Saddam off the hook. They were only "conservative" when compared to Clinton and his lapdog, Gore.

106 "Oh, crap. We are back to the "Purity without power is better than some accomodation in power" blather.

If Hayworth can win in November, then more power to him. But if he can't and McCain can, then the choice is obvious.

Posted by: NJConservative at August 09, 2010 12:30 PM (LH6ir)"

What in the hell?

Hayworth can win in November, can't he?  Is there some poll saying otherwise?  I'm pretty sure that Team D is nearly completely loathed these days in AZ.

The real 'purists' these days are those who call anyone who disagrees with them 'purists'.  Mccain isn't just slightly impure... he's completely bent and twisted. 

If all you care about is winning in November, you're not smart about politics.  Just winning, with people who destroy your party's credibility the way Mccain and Romney have the GOP, make it much harder to win next year, and in ten years.

A strong political party takes a stand and builds credibility.  Compromise is needed, of course, and to pretend that's why Mccain is loathed is simply ridiculous.  To claim not to support Mccain is to be an absolute purist is basically silly.

I am so, so tired of people acting like there is the mass of idiot purists who don't realize they are making it ten percent less likely we'll win in November.  Accommodate that faction, too, like you note Mccain does the socialists.

TARP?  Amnesty?   If those don't cross your line, because of the simplistic logic of the very next election, YOU'RE the purist.  And it's hard to see this as better than demented.

107 Hey it worked for me!

108 TexasJew: "Rove was part of the problem. He never told W to pull his head out of his stupid Compassionate Conservative ass and helped push McCain's Shamnesty Bill as well."

'Zactly. If Bush was following Rove's advice, then Rove is directly responsible for architecting the GOP right out of office. Most over-rated "magnificent-bastard" ever. It was the grass-roots activists and talkers on the Right over-working their asses off to defend Bush that saved Bush at all... not the Rove think-tank. Bush won in spite of himself as far as conservatives go.

109 "Saudi Arabia, too, would have been ecstatic"

Glitch in my head/computer/AoSHQ comment software.

Should have read: "Saudi Arabia, too. Americans would have been ecstatic...."

110 "
The best political reform, IMO, would consist of simply forcing all candidates and officeholders to obey the law and face arrest/punishment when they break laws, just as we lesser beings are expected to do.

Think about it: this one simple step would have kept Osama Obama, virtually all Democrats and a substantial number of Republicans out of office, or at least would have taken away their power if they somehow managed to do right during their campaigns.

Would have thwarted McCain and Hayworth, too. Not to mention Now-Zombies Ted Kennedy and John Murtha, Barely Functional Charlie Rangel and Alcee Hastings. Among so many others.

Ah well, one can dream....

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 09, 2010 12:17 PM (Ulu3i)"

You're just dreaming though.  That cannot work, which is why that's failed us so far.

Sure, most problems can be solved with a nice dream about perfect justice.  Corruption gets in the way.  We need bright line reforms... even ones that (like all things) have a down side.

It doesn't matter what bright line reform is brought up: term limits, fair tax, resign when running for a new office, balanced budget amendment... they all get the same 'well, it's not perfect' complaint along with the 'we can just solve everything already, if only we enforced all the other laws the right way'.

We apparently need more than that.  I'm sorry we need more than that, but we do.

111 -->while not buying progressoverpeace's assertion that 9/11 turned Bush into a weak, left-leaning, open-borders squish.

That's not what I'm saying.  There were many, many difficult decisions that Bush had to deal with in his first term, even in addition to 9/11 and our response to it.  It drained Bush, as it would have drained anyone (and I would add that Bush was very impressive in how he made decisions - even though I disagreed with many of his actual decisions).

-->After 9/11, the public would have cheered if Bush had nuked Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan. Saudi Arabia, too, would have been ecstatic if he sent in military commanded by get-'er-done generals. Instead, he wimped us into a war that goes on today.

I agree 3000%.  Bush missed a very important window to change our ROE and view of how war is fought.  Bush did the minimum possible - though he did more than any democrat would have even thought of doing (as Clinton loved to let the US get hit over and over and over).  He should have burnt Kabul to the ground right after 9/11 - maybe a week after, while The Precedent's spiritual mentor was screaming about "G-d damn America ... chickens have come home ... to roost," would have been nice.

Instead, Bush set out on the insane attempt to get a coalition of every single nation on Earth (except for Israel! just as daddy did for the first Gulf War) that made almost a mockery of the whole war effort.

-->He always rolled that way. So, in his own way, did Daddy Bush, who decided to let Saddam off the hook. They were only "conservative" when compared to Clinton and his lapdog, Gore.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 09, 2010 12:36 PM (Ulu3i)

Yep.  The Bushes are globalists at heart, for some crazy reason.  It seems that they just can't help themselves.

Lucky for Bush, though, is that his rating is relative to the possible alternatives, such as Clinton and Gore.

112 I wish Arizona's "long time conservative resident['s] and business owner['s]" would stop inflicting their mistake on the rest of the country. Fuckin worse than Democrats.

113 Just saw (on Facebook) that Mitt Romney just announced the birth of his fifteenth grandchild. Andrew Sullivan tweets "prove it".

114 The Bushes are globalists at heart, for some crazy reason.

George H.W. Bush was never really fiscally conservative (he famously mocked Reagan's supply-siderism as "voodoo economics" prior to becoming the VP pick) so he really didn't have far to fall.

115 Posted by: Legendary Former Rapist Roman Polanski at August 09, 2010 12:36 PM

I will support anyone who can win and who will vote against Obama. If that means that I have to hold my nose and vote for someone like McCain, then so be it!

Are you really suggesting that it should be either Hayworth or the dem? McCain will vote correctly most of the time. Is he perfect? Of course not; just read the comments in this post.

I supported Brown, knowing that he wasn't going to be much good, just because he might vote against Obama more than the dem.

At the end of the day, winning is better than losing, and taking a rigid stand against all conservative heterodoxy is a losing plan.

116 Thank you NJ con...I feel the same way. The morons are out in force with a silly temper tantrum about McCain.. He lost by 7%...we have to get those people back and not spent time shooting ourself in the ass. What's next hate posts about Scott Brown? All politics are local, Pubs in one area are different than Pubs in another area. McCain is a solid vote for the Republicans , why encourage JC. He looks and sounds like a nut bag half the time and has plenty of baggage of his own the D's can unpack...

117 NJC: Arizona is not Massachusetts.  It's a generally red state that all the illegal Dem voters have fled from and which is publicly being rape-raped by Obama.  There is no reason Hayworth can't win and plenty of reason he can.

118 Posted by: ford at August 09, 2010 12:57 PM (Ki7fm)

I can't stand McCain. I wholeheartedly support Hayworth, unless he can't win in November!

119 "McCain is a solid vote for the Republicans"

Nothing says stupid quite like that.

Concern troll much?

120 #121

The concern is that Hayworth is such a buffoon , and has so much baggage that he can't win the general election. I don't know if that's the case.

121

McCain is a solid vote for the Republians, huh ford? Yeah, right.

Denny Crane? Is that you, you sly little rascal you?

122 McCain was one of the main reasons for the destruction of the Republican Party in the 2004-2008 period and the ascendence of the Dims, and that's not even including his half-assed disaster of a campaign.

I personally went to SC on my own dime to GOTV for Fred Thompson therefore I am not responsible for the actions of slimeballs.

Here's crazy though;  The Stupid Slimeball Party didn't think Fred Thompson had enough 'fire in the belly' yet they think Sarah Palin is too much a 'populist' who needs to 'leave the room and do some homework'.

123 Please explain why JD is better than McCain... didn't JD lose last time he ran?? Mac has a winning record. The purist code is bullshit, you need a coalition to win, throwing voters out, or turning them to the D's is not the way to go. Politics is not a PURE religion.

124 I will tell you who is awesome.. Chris Christie whoever runs in 2012 has to spent some quality time with the big man.

125 Megyn Kelly just used McShame as an example of someone "who wants real border security".

I really like Megyn, but sometimes she just has no idea what the hell she's talking about.

126 This isn't about the good being the enemy of the perfect - it's about McCain serving the interests of our progressive enemies(unwittingly or not). The GOP will an ineffective vehicle for conservatives as long as it obstinately refuses to recognize that a poisoned half-a-loaf is not better than none at all.

127

I like Megyn, but sometimes she has no idea what she's talking about.

 

Would you still like her is she looked like, um, let's say mooseface Rosie O'Donnell?

Ot Janine Craponallofus?

128 132 If McCain wins, his Democratic opposition will run the same ad.

Posted by: toby928 at August 09, 2010 01:36 PM (S5YRY)

If Arizona renominates this fuckwad, they deserve it.

129

As the Concern Troll said, McCain will always stand up for his Party.

The Democrats.

130

"116 I wish Arizona's "long time conservative resident['s] and business owner['s]" would stop inflicting their mistake on the rest of the country. Fuckin worse than Democrats.  -Bonnacon"

Should we take back Barry Goldwater, John Kyl, John Shadegg, Jan Brewer, Jeff Flake, Sherrif Joe Arpaio, etc. too?  My point is if the alternative is McCain or J.D., though it pains me to say it, McCain is better.  In my district we voted J.D. in as our representative, he was an incredible embarrassment, and he then lost to the miserable Democrat Harry Mitchell...in a Republican leaning district!  I attended the phone "town halls" for Congressman Mitchell, (who was too afraid to have live town halls), and 95% of the callers were against Obamacare.  He voted for it anyway.  McCain is not "fuckin worse than Democrats", and all J.D. has ever done for AZ is ensure more Democrats get elected here.

131 I love this insane concern troll 'if he can only win in November!!!!'

It's so pathetic and out of line with reality that the troll has to put the word 'conservative' in their freaking moniker.

you think Hayworth has a scandal as bad as this ad is for Mccain?  Mccain admits to lying to win elections. 

This isn't about November.  The winner of this primary wins in November.  The 'november' argument is a good one to have sometimes, but a lot of times it's just used to slur completely viable candidates who don't also win democrat votes.  Yeah, I am talking about the mittbots to some extent.

132 "McCain is not "fuckin worse than Democrats", and all J.D. has ever done for AZ is ensure more Democrats get elected here. Posted by: MostlyRight"

I don't like JD either, but Mccain is obviously much worse than a Democrat.  The GOP has lost credibility on major issues.  A democrat isn't to blame.

133 Hayworth in the primary, Republican in the election. Another reason I hate McCain, his wife keeps the price of beer high here.

134 Mittbots? Whose bot are you?

135 McCain sure is worse than fuckin Democrats.

Oh sure - when the Dems outnumber the GOP 58-40, and his usefulness to the progressive agenda is minimal, he's just a sad, stupid clown.

Let's not give him another chance to kneecap conservatives again.

136

So Bonnacon, if McCain does win the primary I take it you will fully support the Democratic nominee for AZ Senator, whethor it be:

1. Liberal reporter John Dougherty

2. Self described "social entrepreneur" Rodney Glassman

3. Labor attorney Randy Parraz

4. Former Janet Napolitano aide Cathy Eden

Don't be so simple.  You don't know the AZ race.  You don't know J.D. Hayworth other than he's not McCain.  McCain only won AZ by 8.5% in the Presidential election, so no, we don't get a tingle up our leg about him.  But trust me, we are a red state, and when McCain still wins the primary despite our problems with him, that should tell you something about what we know about J.D. Hayworth.

137 I personally don't care who Arizona elects - don't live there.

But don't piss down my back  and tell me it's raining.

McCain is a detriment to conservatives - moreso than your average rank-and-file Democrat -  precisely because the GOP will give him a chance to backstab conservatives, and he will leap at it.

138 "139 Mittbots? Whose bot are you?

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 09, 2010 02:31 PM (GTrO2)"

Are you just being a goofball, or are you really ignorant of the fact that this electability is the mittbott attack on everybody who would actually be a better leader?

Not that I care.  I just want a reformer.   Christie and Ryan show promise, Jindal is looking better.  Palin's sent Republicans to jail for corruption and make big gov types frothing mad.  There are several I'd be happy to support, so long as they are not relying solely on electability to cover up a big government tendency.  Mccain, Huck, Mitt... that's the type I'm referring to.

It's true, Romney and Mccain, for state health care and Amnesty and many other issues, have damaged the GOP concept greatly.  In the short term, this is better than a democrat solution that would have been a little more expensive.  In the long term, there is no party we can rely on for limited government.

Hayworth is being bashed for very, very vague reasons in here.  I'd like to know what issues he is wrong on that Mccain is right on.  Both of them are wrong in a few areas, but Mccain is wrong in many ways that Hayworth is right.

this is a shitty compromise I don't want to have to make.  I can't recall the name of the other guy running for the primary, I believe with no experience in government, but a businessman?   Regardless, Hayworth has nailed what Mccain is with this excellent ad.

139 24

McCain needs to retire. Hayworth needs to go away, and the Republican party needs fresh young awesome new talent.

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Brewer? I don't trust her. She's riding high due to 1070 and her state's rights defense. However, she's a squish who would rather raise taxes than actually do some hard work in balancing our budget. One of her first actions as new governor was to raise our income taxes. Then, she supported Prop 100. I don't trust anyone who raises my taxes, especially in a downturn economy. She'll get the governorship on the basis of 1070, and that's it.

140

Dammit.  What happened to my post?  Reposting.

24

McCain needs to retire. Hayworth needs to go away, and the Republican party needs fresh young awesome new talent.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at August 09, 2010 11:50 AM (0fzsA)

Keep an eye on Ben Quayle, running for SD-3 in AZ.  He's running for Shadegg's seat with solid conservative ideas.  Plus, he sticks to the issues instead of playing dirty pool (a plus in my book).

 McCain vs Hayworth: we're pretty much screwed, without a strong conservative candidate in the running.  McCain is likely to win the position on his incumbency.  I would be lying if I said the prospect was thrilling.  It would be only marginally better than a donk winning the seat.  He has a long history of lying to his constituents and stabbing us in the back.  Will I vote for him if he wins the primary?  With a clothespin on my nose, just as in the previous presidential election

Brewer? I don't trust her. She's riding high due to 1070 and her state's rights defense. However, she's a squish who would rather raise taxes than actually do some hard work in balancing our budget. One of her first actions as new governor was to raise our income taxes. Then, she supported Prop 100. I don't trust anyone who raises my taxes, especially in a downturn economy. She'll get the governorship on the basis of 1070, and that's it.

141 What is even better...that JD was the guy who lied left and right throughout that entire ad with false accusations and completely dirty lies. It does not take a genius to look into factcheck to see what exactly JD is talking about...and when I did, I found that it was just another one of JD's lies.