1 Since you're up Purple, the previous thread needs some clean up starting with 82 & 136.

2 I wonder if they'll have the balls to try cap and trade and immigration reform. 
Fuck, I didn't think they'd get this far.

3 I personally prefer Dan Le Batard's BAM! over Emeril's

4 I wonder if they'll have the balls to try cap and trade and immigration reform.

They're emboldened now that they know a cram-down will work.  I think Cramer is right here.  They'll go for it. 

5 I think so too. They'll rush as much though between now and Nov damn the consequences to their careers or the country.

6 McLame will help with the immigration part, since that way he can get his bipartisan on....... what a singularly useless fuck he is.

7

Krauthammer: "I Don't Think This Will Ever End Up Repealed"

8 The tax increase part is virtual certainty. 

Next time it will have to be driven down into the lower/mid middle class since there's just not enough "rich" people to support the kind of spending they want even if you confiscated 100% of their wealth and left them all living in boxes under a bridge. 

Congress will have no choice in this matter, since they refuse to consider stopping spending as an option.

They'll be compelled to hit everything across the board, excise taxes on tires, sin taxes, I even think they'll start "means testing" Social Security and Medicare as part of the ongoing "soak the rich" plan.  They'll be busting promises all over the place like pinatas.

9

@5: "They'll rush as much though between now and Nov damn the consequences to their careers or the country."

Their careers will  be fine.  Even if they lose their offices, they still have their Congressional pensions and other benefits.  Then they move on to lobbying, or to new, appointed positions in the new agencies set up to operate all the new bullshit.  The country? Heh, they've been wanting to kill that for decades.

 

10 Time to start boiling the tar and gathering the feathers.

11 Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.

12 I have a feeling this opens the floodgates for their liberal transformative agenda. They know they are going to lose in November so they have to transform America now as quick as they can towards socialism. The Mark Steyn article on the subject had the right idea. Sure they can lose one election but after we turn to socialism its the liberal's country, they might be out of power now and then but the conservatives will just be holding their chair or them.

13 Sure Obama will destroy the economy even more, but Cramer is a moron.  He is only good when he buys a stock then touts it on his program so he can run it up and sell it.

14

Please assist in the attempt to find catharsis for Obamacare pain by reading my post:

http://tinyurl.com/ykw2wvl

Pathetic and needy, I know. But isn't pathetic and needy the essence of being an AoS moron?

15 this current version of the Democratic Party believes that only rich people own stocks....

Hey, maybe you shouldn't have voted for him.

16 Cramer is a moron

Perhaps, but he moves markets.  If he's stopped pitching the O-recovery, its freaking dead dude.  Pining for the fjords. 

17 PA, spot on.

I got to thinking earlier about that Gutierrez "bribe"... the one where he was promised that immigration reform would be fasttracked and rammed through.  And we are all talking about how the Dems are going to get destroyed this november.  What happens if they get amnesty through?  Will Hispanics become a given voting block like blacks?  How do you think they will do with an additional 10M voters?

18

They don't have 60 votes to pass jack shit the rest of the year, that is why they went "all in" on this bill.  They can only do one reconciliation bill per year, and this one is it.  No way they have 60 votes for amnesty or cap and trade. 

Remember, the whole reason this health care bill took so long was because cap and trade died in the Senate.  It was supposed to bring in $600 billion a year to pay for health care.  And that was when Ted Kennedy was still voting.

Still, if Cramer's comments start a massive bear run I won't mind a bit.  Even worth losing some of my meager 401(k) to show these Democrats that the taxpayers of this country are not going to stand for this.  We are cashing in our chips and leaving the casino.

19 @12: Yup.

20 from the last thread, because i thought it deserved to be read twice:
147
Fart Fucking Stupidfuck (aka Fart Stu-puke) is target #1.  He must be destroyed.  He is a lying, treasonous, backstabbing, vote-trading piece of baby-murdering subhuman shit.  It is not enough to vote him out.  He must be destroyed to the point that his children deny being his offspring and his wife will be ashamed to lay down with him.  There will be no quarter.  I will not rest until his children will proclaim themselves bastards and yaldsons rather than admitting to being the ill-bred spawn of this piece of shit.  Bart Stu-puke is target #1.  He must be destroyed.

Listen to me, Morons: we must dehumanize and destroy these marxist pieces of shit.  Being nice is no longer an option, they must be annihilated by any means necessary, or this country is doomed.  Being "nice" is why we're in this sad state of affairs (and thanks GW Bush for laying down and taking in the ass with no lube for EIGHT FUCKING YEARS, and thanks JS MCAIN for telling us we had nothing to fear from this fucking Marxist cocksucker Obama while you hung your noble running-mate out to dry).  They are not our "worthy opponents", they are not the "loyal opposition", THEY ARE THE FUCKING ENEMY! 

21

Can't believe I'm still up.  It feels like 9/11 all over again, and I didn't sleep at all that night.

Now the WaPo reports that Obama isn't satisfied with this vote, he's going to go out campaigning to convince us all that it's raining after he just pissed all over us.  This douchebag really thinks he can sell this turd to America in time to save the Democrats in November. 

22 Now can we find out what's in the bill?

23 I think there's probably fifty or sixty Congresscritters who don't dare venture back into their districts without a whole lot of protection right now.

There was a time that physical fear represented some sort of a deterrent to, well, the kind of nonsense we've seen over the past couple days.   Maybe these folks are just too well-protected. 

Are we headed for Paris, 1789, where a legislator cannot be convinced that his constituents are serious until he's hung from a lamppost?

24 civil disobedience.  smart, focused, coordinated civil disobedience.  they do not have that in their calculus.  they think we all just going to roll over and take it.

25 They don't have 60 votes to pass jack shit the rest of the year

Don't need 60 votes, they really only need 51 if they got the balls to go for it.  They can just force the Republicans to maintain an old school physical tag-team "read the phone book" style filibuster.  Those eventually cave too.

26 <blockquote>
Are we headed for Paris, 1789, where a legislator cannot be convinced that his constituents are serious until he's hung from a lamppost?
</blockquote>

This.

We are quickly approaching or have already arrived to a place where "the will of the people" will only be heeded at gunpoint.

27

@23: "Are we headed for Paris, 1789, where a legislator cannot be convinced that his constituents are serious until he's hung from a lamppost?"

You say that like it's a bad thing.

/obligatory

28

@24: "civil disobedience.  smart, focused, coordinated civil disobedience."

You mean we get to start using the papier mache heads now? Sweet. Dibs on the Dubya Obizzle-as-vampire one.

Something tells me The Messiah and his ilk will not have a problem using the whiff of grapeshot solution to any "civil disobedience."

29 I thought it quiet telling of the final vote and the "Yes We Did" chant. Sadly , a new day has come.  It is no longer an American trait to show honor with a victory, but now the winning political party must humiliate all of those who do not agree with their political points. There was a time when America was ruled by honorable, descent honest people, that today, has changed forever.  Now, serving the people is not enought, they that disagree, must be taught a lesson.  This disrepect can cause rage amoung the American people.  If,  this congress pushes the people too far,  the consequences maybe severe.  

30 28

@24: "civil disobedience.  smart, focused, coordinated civil disobedience."

You mean we get to start using the papier mache heads now? Sweet. Dibs on the Dubya Obizzle-as-vampire one.

Something tells me The Messiah and his ilk will not have a problem using the whiff of grapeshot solution to any "civil disobedience."

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at March 22, 2010 03:54 AM (8MuSQ)

then you will know the rules of the game and know exactly what to do.  like it or not war is chess and chess is war.  don't play too fast.

31 .

32 ACE,
Yes, this is thebhb@y.com

Consider: A Stupak Kickback. Gratis.
Nice ring, eh?

33 cannot be convinced that his constituents are serious until he's hung from a lamppost?

Hate to say it but I wouldn't bet against a small handful of them getting whacked right now. 

I'd lay 50/50 odds it would be one of their own does it too cuz they didn't go far enough.  There's a lot of moonbats ain't happy about not getting single payer and the past few election cycles have had leftist incidents of violence/vandalism ratcheting up at local campaign offices.

The really hard left is pretty unhappy with Obama's "sellouts". 

34 If Cramer has become a bear we've probably reached bottom.  Must be time to buy.

35 Hate to say it but I wouldn't bet against a small handful of them getting whacked right now. 

I'd lay 50/50 odds it would be one of their own does it too cuz they didn't go far enough. 

Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 22, 2010 03:58 AM (cxEYg)

Or, because they need some martyrs to establish a new political correctness to try to protect their gains.

36 I don't see how they would have the time for, Cap'n Trade, Card Check, and Amnesty when the States start imploding under the massive wave of unemployment (and no tax revenues) that the Health Control Bill is going to ignite.

I can't imagine how many firms and small concerns have been doing their best to ride out the storm of threatening rhetoric from D.C. since late 2008, hoping against hope that the worst case scenario wouldn't come to pass (it just did) and that they wouldn't have to shed valuable employees because they are just too godamned expensive.

Well, all of your employees are fucking expensive as shit now!

To all of you who have part-time status in your current job:

Buh-Bye!

To those of you working 40 hrs per week at an hourly wage:

25% of you will be kept on at your current wage and benefit plan but we'll call you in when we need you, could be 20 hrs per week or 30 but you won't know either way until Tues. of every week. Oh, sometimes we might need you for 50 hours per week and if you're not there for those extra hours...Buh-Bye!

A very lucky 15% of you have now been promoted to management! You know what that means?  You get salary!  Same amount per year pretty much as you were making before but now you are responsible and pretty much on call for 70 hours per week, 24x7.  If you fail to live up to the expectations of your new position of trust and reliability...Buh-Bye!

The rest of you...Buh-Bye!

To those of you in lower to middle management positions:

We appreciate all of the hard work you've done for us through the years and especially if you are a true veteran of this organization we will appreciate the training you will give to all the new up and comers in management and understand the financial constraints our organization is going through while we all adjust to this new transition...It's an exciting new...Buh-Bye!

To those of you in upper management positions:

I dunno 'zactly what happens there but honestly I'm pretty sure it looks something like a night dive I once took off the coast of Cuba and found a nest (60 or so?) of mating nurse sharks just tearing the shit out of a coral reef.  Like, bumping and writhing around so violently as to cause ancient dead coral accretions to collapse.

So, some of you...Buh-Bye!

Thanks for typing up those memos so that the rest of our valued team-members would understand.

'Preciate it. 

37 Read this elsewhere, and it's 100% spot on: You're going to get a health insurance plan written by a committee whose Chairman has publicly stated that he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that has literally not read it but yet has made damn certain to exempt themselves from it, to be signed by a president that also has not read it, with funding administered by a treasury secretary who cheated on his ****ing income taxes, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that is $14 Trillion in debt to begin with and adding $2 Trillion a year more in red ink per year BEFORE this bill adds even more red ink to it. And it will be delivered to you by a House of "Representatives" that won't even actually vote on it, headed by a Speaker who is on record saying that they'll have to, "pass it to see what's in it."

38 Is rockmom at # 18 correct that they can only do one reconciliation bill per year?

39

Time to quote Jimmy Cliff:

And I keep on fighting for the things I want
Though I know that when you're dead you can't
But I'd rather be a free man in my grave
Than living as a puppet or a slave

So as sure as the sun will shine
I'm gonna get my share now of what's mine
And then the harder they come the harder they'll fall, one and all
Ooh the harder they come the harder they'll fall, one and all

40 Cramer is dumb. The stock market is the WORST metric to hang one's hat on to gauge success and failure. DJIA is not the economy, it's just 30 or so companies. I actually thought Ocare will gin up healthcare stocks for no other reason that we're forced to buy them. I don't know if any of the DJIA companies is a healthcare company.

41

@30: "like it or not war is chess and chess is war."

No, chess is chess (and a musical).  War is war (and a band).

At the end of the chess game, the pieces all get resurrected and put back on the board - nothing changes.  At the end of war, the dead stay dead.  Stuff changes.

42

Deety:

No shit, I have been consulting for the last 4 months with a Very Large Company that has sorta kinda promised to eventually hire me.  I am scared to death now that they are just gonna say, well, thanks, but we'll just keep you as a consultant and, oh, by the way, we are going to cut your hours and your rate.  Or they'll just can me entirely.  And I already used up all my unemployment benefits from my previous job which I lost in August of 2008.  I haven't worked full time in an office for so long, I have forgotten what it is like.

And my husband works for the State of New Jersey, and Gov. Christie has already said that the expansion of Medicaid in this bill cannot be paid for by the state, meaning probably layoffs and more furlough days for state employees.  He is non-union and has only been there for 2 years.

My sister works for WellPoint.  She'll probably lose her job now, and she is 55 years old, single, and disabled.  Pretty sure nobody else is going to hire her.

43 .

44 And yes, I am correct that Congress can only do one reconciliation bill a year.  That is the point of budget reconciliation, it was intended to provide one catch-all bill to "reconcile" all the spending bills with revenue sources within a given budget year in order to keep the deficit from increasing.  It isn't just a "gimmick" they can use anytime they want to circumvent the 60-vote rule.  And this is in a statute, not Senate/House rules.

45

@36: "I don't see how they would have the time for, Cap'n Trade, Card Check, and Amnesty when the States start imploding under the massive wave of unemployment (and no tax revenues) that the Health Control Bill is going to ignite."

See Omlette, can't make without breaking a few eggs.

As stuff goes South, who's going to watch (or care) what stuff Washington does.  If you're scambling for food and money, your focus will be elsewhere.  They can pass whatever they want, regardless of cost.  Not like they are ever going to have to pay the bill.  That's your job.  You fork over your money to the Gummint? Congrats citizen, you get your bread and circuses.  You don't? Well, you just became an egg.

46 I actually thought Ocare will gin up healthcare stocks for no other reason that we're forced to buy them.

When they're FORCED to accept pre-existing conditions, and forced to have unlimited lifetime payouts, and offer policies at mandated rates? 

Yea, go with that. 

47

@46: Actually, given the way the market keeps climbing regardless of the tons of bad news and horrific numbers, healthcare stocks may well head to the moon for a while.

Insanity reigns out there right now. 

48 41

@30: "like it or not war is chess and chess is war."

No, chess is chess (and a musical).  War is war (and a band).

At the end of the chess game, the pieces all get resurrected and put back on the board - nothing changes.  At the end of war, the dead stay dead.  Stuff changes.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at March 22, 2010 04:10 AM (8MuSQ)

I want what you want, and I want to win.  I have no interest in arguing semantics with you.

49 The CBO numbers on this atrocity will be rosy indeed, once unemployment spikes further because no one can afford to hire anyone.

Where's all the cash going to come from for everyone's "free" insurance then? (yeah, congress-critters, I am looking at you)

Which will be longer? Unemployment lines or health care lines? Give it a bit and I will bet on a third option to have the longest lines: soup kitchens.

50 And yes, I am correct that Congress can only do one reconciliation bill a year.  That is the point of budget reconciliation, it was intended to provide one catch-all bill to "reconcile" all the spending bills with revenue sources within a given budget year in order to keep the deficit from increasing.  It isn't just a "gimmick" they can use anytime they want to circumvent the 60-vote rule.  And this is in a statute, not Senate/House rules.

Posted by: rockmom at March 22, 2010 04:16 AM (w/gVZ)

Didn't they do two reconciliations in 1998?

HR 2014 (Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997) and HR 2015 (Balanced Budget Act of 1997)

In 1983 there also seems to be HR 4961 and HR 6955?

PDF Link

51

@49: "Which will be longer? Unemployment lines or health care lines? Give it a bit and I will bet on a third option to have the longest lines: soup kitchens."

Draft induction physical lines.  Wars are a good way to cut down on all those excess mouths, and since we'll have to rebuild our industrial base and build war material, everyone not fighting will have nice, taxable jobs.  All we have to do is conquer enough resources to pay for it all......

52 21 Now the WaPo reports that Obama isn't satisfied with this vote, he's going to go out campaigning to convince us all that it's raining after he just pissed all over us.  This douchebag really thinks he can sell this turd to America in time to save the Democrats in November.

Wait, what?

53 Insanity reigns out there right now.

I've seen some market metrics indicating the past few months gains since about Jan have been driven by the "dumb money" that always piles in at near the top. 

The last few days last week it started getting wobbly and heading sideways.  A haircut is on the way.

54 I heard earnings were up.

55 I heard earnings were up.

Yea, go with that.  Anyone can fake earnings up by halting R&D, and laying off staff.

56

"18

They don't have 60 votes to pass jack shit the rest of the year, that is why they went "all in" on this bill.  They can only do one reconciliation bill per year, and this one is it.  No way they have 60 votes for amnesty or cap and trade.  "

 

Lol, they are making up the rules dude.  You can say what you want but we are talking about Demorats!  They don't give a rats ass what the constitution says, they are going pass what they want, loot the treasury and bend you over without the giving you common decency of  a reach around. 

57 since we'll have to rebuild our industrial base and build war material

Don't say that shit...I'm long General Dynamics PUTs

58 If one reconciliation a year is law, they'll just change that law.  Obama won't veto it.

59

@53: "The last few days last week it started getting wobbly and heading sideways.  A haircut is on the way."

I would expect so, too.  I keep hearing that everything is gonna go pear-shaped at the end of this month or early in April. 

It seems like any "dumb money" out there has to be institutional - just not seeing many individuals in the market these days.

Heh, that's the one advantage to being non-wealthy.  Ain't got shit to invest, so I can't really lose much.  Just hope the Uncle Obama's Fun-Bux that I get paid in don't go all Zimbabwe on me.

60 No shit, I have been consulting for the last 4 months with a Very Large Company that has sorta kinda promised to eventually hire me.  I am scared to death now that they are just gonna say, well, thanks, but we'll just keep you as a consultant and, oh, by the way, we are going to cut your hours and your rate.

Hey rockmom, I feel your pain, really, I do.

But, on the bright side, you might be in a better position than most, if you think about it.

At your current rate you are less expensive than having somebody in-house do what you do for them.  Otherwise why would they have brought you on as a "consultant" in the first place?

If they had brought you on as an official employee 1 month ago, how comfortable would you feel today?

At least as a consultant, if they want to have a conversation about reducing your hours or your rate, you get to make the call as to whether or not the new deal is worth your time.

And it is your fucking call.

You know, or should at least have a good guess as to, how much value your services in general are worth and how much extra value this particular company gets out of you just by your being familiar with their operation.

61

@57: "Don't say that shit...I'm long General Dynamics PUTs"

I've got a buddy who owns some companies that make missile systems, infantry arms, and munitions.  They are raking in cash and can't keep up with demand.  He's having to buy ammo from Poland and Ukraine just to meet immediate deliveries.

62 What an inspiration these dems are.  Oh yes Nan I always wanted to grow up to be a complete burden on society. 

63

From: Retired U.S Navy Personnel

To: The American Public

We in retirement take exception to everyone saying that Bernanke,
Obama, Reid and Pelosi are spending like drunken sailors.    

Not True.
When we were drunken sailors, we quit when we ran out of money.

64 This douchebag really thinks he can sell this turd to America in time to save the Democrats in November.

Heck, he's been on that trip since birth. The Marxist fuck actually believes that he's saved the world and done everyone a solid.  He really thinks that he's got it all figured out and all the bitter, clingy bible & gun toting folks need to STFU and listen to their betters.

Heck, Geraldo and the rest of the worthless, water-carrying media has been going on about Obama's "resurrection" all night and the spin machine is already in high gear, praising these fucks for their "courage" to vote against the will of the people. Be ready for the next several month of them telling us how fortunate we are the Teh Won "saved" us all and about the endless, bounty of gifts we are about to receive!

(BTW- where the fuck is my damn unicorn? I was planning to live on the Skittles that fucker shits once this whole mess comes crashing down)

65 In case you missed it (behind the Transparency), BHO re-funded ACORN on March 16th.

66

I cannot sleep.  I feel absolutely ill.  Of course they are going to go for broke on all the other radical crap in their agenda (card check, amnesty, cap and trade, etc).  They are absolutely exhilarated by their evil corrupt "victory", and this now gives them the license to press on.

Tomorrow a.m., I am writing letters to almost all the charities I regularly support.  With the exception of just a few (my church, Wounded Warriors, USO, etc.) I am sending them letters that will read something like this:

"Dear______,

In the future, please save yourself the postage and the money and do not call me and do not send me any solicitations for donations requesting money.  I am currently no longer able to support you as all the money I previously set aside to contribute to organizations like yours and others will be used to try and take back my country.  The Democrat party has done egregious harm to this country that I love and is trying to irrevocably change it with its "historic vote for health care" on March 21, 2010.  I will now be donating the money that I had given to your organization and others in the past to political candidates that will try and prevent the continued downward slide of this country into socialism.  I am fairly certain that if we are not able to turn this trainwreck around, your non-profit organization as well as others will suffer even greater financial loss because of policies enacted by the Democrats.  The United States used to be the country that was the most generous in helping other countries through non-profit organizations like yours.  Americans donate to charities annually on a scale not seen in other countries.  Elections have consequences, and I'm sorry that I no longer can support your very commendable organization.  I do appreciate all the good work you've done in the past, but I need to concentrate my resources elsewhere while I still have them.

Sincerely,

X

67 Damiano, at 25% unemployment the tide will shift his way.

68 As Congress passed TEFRA and the supplemental FY82 appropriations and as FY83 appropriations worked their way through the process, Congress also had to pass the second reconciliation bill. A second reconciliation? one might ask. Wasn't the whole idea of reconciliation to put everything into one big package? Well, yes, that is what everybody said. In 1981 all the commentators remarked on the brilliant strategy of one big vote, but it required the House leadership's cooperation, which was no longer (in fact, far from) forthcoming. Democratic leaders decided that there was no reason to make life easy for their opponents by creating a package. Instead, they brought up separate reconciliation bills for separate votes.


During the period from 1980-2004, covering budget resolutions for FY1981-FY2005, the Senate completed action on a total of 19 reconciliation acts stemming from reconciliation directives in budget resolutions for 17 different years (see Table 7).
In all but three of these years, the Senate considered a single reconciliation measure in response to the reconciliation directives in the budget resolution. In the three remaining years, the Senate considered two different reconciliation measures each year, resulting in the enactment of five reconciliation acts — one act in 1980 (for FY1981) and two acts each in 1982 and 1997 (for FY1983 and FY199 .

It seems that one reconciliation bill per year is what was intended, but it looks like two reconciliation bills have been passed in some years.

69 it's going to be interesting in seeing how the market is going to act today

70 Rules are for Republican fools!

71

it's going to be interesting in seeing how the market is going to act today

Sell short; get rich.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Oh, and if you're 'banking' on gold, just wait for Uncle BHO to confiscate it.

72 Oh, I don't think the economy is getting better.  I was just responding to your "dumb money" theory, PA.

73 @Rewrite!

Yeah, I kinda figure that was the plan all along. The Dems may lose their asses in Nov., but by 2012, unemployment will be up to insane levels and the Marxist bastard will campaign on the "failures of Republicans" to clean it up and pointing to the mid-term shift as the point where it all went to shit.

Never let a crisis go to waste... especially when you can manufacture it.

74 The Plan = Cloward-Piven collapse of our country's structures.

75 and to think my friend was just about to take a serious look at opening a low cost restaurant selling old school scrap peasant food.

76 To put it in simpler terms see here.

77 I hope that this unconstitutional perfidy goes before SCOTUS, and I pray that they haven't forgotten BHO's cheap shot.

78 http://bit.ly/aWMGbn

Check out this whiny bitch.  Holy hell, she has no idea what's coming.  Hopes the Repubs won't do the same thing the Dems did tonight?  Let me introduce you to the chicken...

79

@58: "If one reconciliation a year is law, they'll just change that law.  Obama won't veto it."

As The Clash aptly sang:

I get violent when I'm fucked up
I get silent when I'm drugged up
Want excitement
Don't get none
I go wild

I don't know
What can be done about it
If you play the game
you get nothing out of it
Find out for yourself
Try to be Goodie-Goodie

You better
Cheat cheat
No reason to play fair
Cheat cheat
Or don't get anywhere
Cheat cheat
If you can't win...

Nobody knows
What they are doing
Beyond your control
Finding life's a ruin
If you want to survive
You better learn how to lie

You better
Cheat cheat
No reason to play fair
Cheat cheat
Or don't get anywhere
Cheat cheat
If you can't win...

Don't use the rules
There not for you
There for the fools
And you're a fool
If you don't know that
So use the rules you stupid fool

80 77 I hope that this unconstitutional perfidy goes before SCOTUS, and I pray that they haven't forgotten BHO's cheap shot.

Obama is banking on it.  He's trying to demonize the court, maybe get a lib wacko to create a "vacancy" on the court for Obama to fill.

81 36 - I was middle management, had to train my replacement then got laid off in Sept. I hear he couldn't handle his job and mine and quit last week (idiot).

82 51 Draft induction physical lines.  Wars are a good way to cut down on all those excess mouths, and since we'll have to rebuild our industrial base and build war material, everyone not fighting will have nice, taxable jobs.  All we have to do is conquer enough resources to pay for it all......

Historically that's what you'd expect.  But the country will only support massive casualties if you have an existential threat, and the only way the US is going to face an existential threat anymore is if China attacks us "Red Dawn" style.  That's not going to happen unless Obama makes a lot of sex to everyone in the Chinese government.

83 o/t

never noticed how far Breitbart.com has gone to the Freepers, Birchers and Paultards

84

@82: "But the country will only support massive casualties if you have an existential threat, and the only way the US is going to face an existential threat anymore is if China attacks us "Red Dawn" style."

Iranian nukes...Persian Gulf....$10 gas......

85 Red Dawn!

86 http://www.firenancypelosi.com/

^^^

Dude, there going to be at thier halfway mark by daybreak... and they set 40 hours to meet this goal. :lol  My bet is by 12:00 they get to 400k.

87 mmmmmmmmm,

conservative tears. Can one ever drink their fill.

88 Well, you didn't do anyone any favors by joining in on the Massa hit.   He had integrity, un-PC sense of humor and all.   

If you think any parliamentary procedure will clean this up, or an election, you are dreaming.  

We will not get back our Republic except the way they got it in the first place. 

As a good first step the Repubs should walk out of the chamber en masse.   It's time to collapse this farce, Weimar style.

89

never noticed how far Breitbart.com [and Beck?] has gone to the Freepers, Birchers and Paultards

And Tea Parties have quite a Troofer segment.

90

@87: "conservative tears. Can one ever drink their fill."

Oddly, the same can be said about Communist blood (in line with official Republican (of which I am not one) policy, said comment refers only to metaphorical electoral "blood").  I suppose we'll both find out at some point.

91 Tonight, the SS joined BHO's transparency corps.  They threatened to confiscate the cameras/phones of those wishing to snap a pic of Michelle.

92 I feel numb. Didn't sleep well for half the week due to the anticipation, but I can't now that it's over. Definitely glad our guys gave it their all today, & that they laid the groundwork for Stupak to be shown as a hypocritical liar.

Despite all the Dems did, they only got to 219. Guess that's a silver lining. The gallery also agreed more with the Rs than the Ds. But Boehner was right, the entire thing was disgraceful. David Obey acting like a dictator up there, & the chants of "Yes We Can" after the vote ended. Didn't see any calls for decorum then.

Don't think it's hit me yet, though.

93 Give it a bit and I will bet on a third option to have the longest lines: soup kitchens.

Well, there's a nice piece of activism for you. Open soup kitchens nationwide. No sense waiting for it to happen; make it happen.

94 F&F trying to give a GA Republican shit because he said the Democraps should change their name to Democratic Socialist Party of America and that the obama health card would be as worthless as a confederate dollar.

She tried to push that crap about the "32 million people who would now have insurance". Can you say Dem talking point

95 So what does this do to that huge tobacco tax Obumer signed into law for CHIPRA?  CHIPRA is for "kids whose parents work full time, and don't qualify for Medicaid, but through no fault of their own don't have-and Can't afford- private insurance.  So the tobacco tax will be repealed, huh?  What good is that give away program now?  Everybody is suppose to have insurance now.  So repeal the tobacco tax.  Don't hold your breath smokers.

96 BTW, that guy really lit into the Dems. I hope the rest of the Republican Party does this and "keeps up the skeer" until Nov.

97 Hard to say what the market will do ... bearish makes sense, but many that think the economy is still a mess don't want to be short.  Rates are so low and so much money being printed that inflation can keep stocks up.

In a sense, stocks can be a hedge like gold ... you at least own "assets" instead of worthless paper.  I figured we'd bounce to DOW 8500 or so, but we've gone to 10,700 ... I'm still waiting to see the double bottom, or at least a move back to 7600.

But it seems more and more like the Obama goal is to destroy capitalism ... they first ran the US supertanker economy aground, now they are shooting torpedoes in it. 

98 Uhhmm..

Look at it this way.

The gloves are most transparently and indisputably fucking off, for all the world to see.

No more " my respected fartbubble from the great maggot ridden corpse-state of such and such."

I do indeed think that it would do all of us well to "remember the dignity of the House" as displayed on this day.

Guess what the Democrats did today that everybody thought was impossible.

They PROVED without a doubt that not only are entitlements NOT some fucking untouchable 3rd rail but that with enough fucking political will they can be gutted even when the people cry out against it.

Jeebus.

They started out with the worst one.

They just eviscerated any chance of Medicare being there for the current generation, much less any future ones!  The entitlement most beloved of the wealthiest and votiest block of the electorate!  And they didn't even try to help the poor bastards who have no choice but to depend on it.

So.

Now we all know.

It can be done.

The Republicans are the party of taking care of Gramma now, 'cause she's all old and stuff and has no choice, but wants us to never be in such a vulnerable position ourselves vis-a-vis the kind of Democrat hyenas who would gleefully shove us off on to the nearest ice-floe as they just did with Gramma.

There is no way that this winds up a happy fairy tale ending, no matter what.

I'm going to bet though, that the "average" American will pick the hard sock to the jaw of accepting some unhappy truths over the degrading force-feeding of noxious lies.

99 Remember we needed a Jimmy Carter for there to be a Ronald Reagan. The fight over this issue is NOT over by a long shot. One thing this bill passing did was ENERGIZE the GOP and public support for them coming into November. Now with this bill passed there is an issue that can be used campaign on.

This bill was the best thing to happen to the GOP for November.

100

All we have to do is conquer enough resources to pay for it all......

*jacks*

101 99 Remember we needed a Jimmy Carter for there to be a Ronald Reagan. The fight over this issue is NOT over by a long shot. One thing this bill passing did was ENERGIZE the GOP and public support for them coming into November. Now with this bill passed there is an issue that can be used campaign on.

This bill was the best thing to happen to the GOP for November.

 

True, but this bill is the worst thing to happen to America.  To me America and it's future comes way ahead of the GOP. 

102 the only way the US is going to face an existential threat anymore is if China attacks us "Red Dawn" style.

Na, just provoke the Norks into heading south.  That'll be a dandy dustup.  Heck, they might do it anyway with no provocation since they're crazy as a shithouse rat.

103

@99: "This bill was the best thing to happen to the GOP for November."

The Communists are thinking long term.  The political balance has probably been forever altered, and it isn't in favor of the Right.  Yes, the Right will reap some short term benefits, but they just got mortally wounded.

104 Fox actually just called Stupack a liar. He is getting it from all sides today.

He deserves it the slimy asshole.

105 Yes, the Right will reap some short term benefits, but they just got mortally wounded.

I don't think so. We are breaking new ground here. I believe anything could happen this November. The commies are counting on the public to forget by Nov but they played this out too long.

People are madder than I have ever seen them before in my lifetime. When I say people, I mean the real everyday people who go to work and try to support their families. I don't mean the welfare queens like Peggy Joseph.  Those scum have no idea what kind of trouble they are in for.

This could be the chance that real conservatives finally take back the House and most of the Senate and set up for 2012 when conservatives get a 60 vote majority in the Senate.

Or they decide that since the commies have gone lawless they will too and commence cram-downs to totally eliminate all the socialist FDR and LBJ programs.

Anything could happen. I am not even writing off the chance of an Article V convention to do it before 2012.


 

106 Donated to the RNCC. Well, how bad could it be? In Denmark I only paid 49.5% income tax at minimum wage for the assigned doctor in TÃ¥rnby who I could never see. Fair deal, right? With the VAT, sin taxes and everything else I coulda lived outside the home in the ass-end of the Copenhagen Metropolitan area if I had 4 or 5 jobs. ThisÂ’ll really help the little guy. No more socio-economic mobility, rationed care, rationed education, rationed housing. Not a bad price to pay for an inadequate bit of security.

107 I can't tell you how much better I feel about my country.  The next time 25 year old, unemployed, multi tattooed Jose gets shot-up in a bad drug deal he will have insurance since he is still on his mama's blue cross policy!  Yes, now I can rest much better.  Thanks Obumer, Nan and the rest of you dems.

108 This whole thing illustrates yet again that there is no such thing as a "moderate Dem". Stupak has an ACU rating for 2009/2008 of 16/12.  If that was being measured as a reflection of liberalism it would be 84/88.  Not low enough to hit the magic 80 to signify DINO as we would do for a RINO on the Republican side.  Yes, he is a reliable lefty socialist.

So how did he get the name as a "moderate".  he purported to be anti-abortion because he was "Catholic". Moderate is just another label invented by the news media to reflect someone who supports most of their liberal agenda.  A dem is a moderate if he strays from the pro-abortion side. A Republican is a moderate if he votes with the dems more than 50% of the time.

109 Reading the comments, I am reminded of the scene in "Butch Cassidy" where Harvey Logan challenges Butch to a knife fight to determine who runs the gang... BUTCH: Okay, but first let's talk over the rules. LOGAN: Rules?! In a knife fight?! No rules!!! Butch suddenly kicks Logan with all his might directly in the groin. Harvey crumbles to the ground. FLAT NOSE CURRY: Gee, I was really rootin' for ya', Butch. BUTCH: Well, Flat Nose, that really sustained me in my hour of need.

110

As I said before, the time for runaway spending and fiscal instability is over.  It is now time for discipline and accountability. 

My 16,000 new IRS agents will be in charge of enforcing said discipline on the American public.

111 I would like to congratulate the Democrats for finally passing a bill with a 60-seat majority in the Senate and a 253-seat majority in the House.  And it only took a year and a whole lot of sleazy tricks to do it!

112 Double Dip Recession? I think this index was mentioned on AoS earlier. The website http://consumermetricsinstitute.com/index.html has a more detailed DAILY graph of the index. It's still negative and heading down. If the index has a predictive value (jury is out on that) then it certainly could be predicting a double dip. And, most interestingly, that double dip would be in the official GDP numbers around September/October - just in time for the Nov elections!. If so, the House carnage could be apocalyptic. 70? 80? 90??!? seats switching? Hard to say.

113

Meet the new fascists

Same as the old fascists

but this time we're coming for the Christians, too.

 

Meet the new fascists

Same as the old fascists

You can get on the trains even if you're not a Jew.

114 http://minx.cc/?blog=86&post=299692#c9198110 from your lips... I will never pay a fine for not buying insurance, especially to the federal government. At the very least I would hope that Indian Reservations might be flooded with capital for private hospitals and clinics with insurance and managed care plans. One stop shopping - get your smokes and a new lung, get your fireworks and burn treatment, gamble away the kids' tuition and.... well, affordable major medical and reasonable scheduling for a doctor visit anyway. I pay $80 cash for a same day 1/2 hour visit for anything from a phusical to getting a chunk of metal dug out of my cornea. Hope they don't kill my private clinic but I bet they will.

115 103, 105. We definitely are in uncharted territory here. While this seemingly moves the country further left governmentally, the Communist/Alinsky way is to gradually increase the temp of the proverbial frog in the pot of water. With yesterday's vote (the culmination of a bitter 18 months), the Leftists just cranked the burner from a gentle simmer to a rolling boil in a nanosecond. The only way to stop this I think is in the hands of the people. If enough people refuse to obey an illegally crafted, now illegally enacted and fundamentally unconstitutional law, then it crumbles. That means a significant number of us taking the fines and perhaps jail. Even better would be to just not pay any income taxes. Starve the governmental beast of what it feeds on - our money. You'd be surprised at what people can endure before they react, but by then it's too late. The key is doing all this now, but it will take a lot of courage. We are going to be tasting an awful lot of some very bitter tears for the foreseeable future. The x-factor in all this is the internet, talk radio and the exposure of the dinosaur media for the hacks and propagandists that they are. If we were living in the 60's-70's, this could not have been opposed as effectively, as vocally and for as long as it has been. Until Mark Lloyd is able to control us, it's all we have to rally the troops. Uncharted territory indeed. WE HAVE ONLY JUST BEGUN TO FIGHT. Courage my friends. Courage.

116 exempt

117 If this is the way our government works anymore we need to scrap the whole system.  Take our Constitution 60 miles north of Dodge City, Kansas in the middle of a wheat field, build a new capital and start all over again in the heart of the country.  I'm sick of New York City, the state of California, and the Chicago way.  We need to take our country back.

118 exempt: full time EIB student.

119 I don't think so. We are breaking new ground here. I believe anything could happen this November. The commies are counting on the public to forget by Nov but they played this out too long.

I agreee.

It's not just that the HCR thing got dragged out too long.

This started with the insane Spendulous Bill early last year, following hard upon the heels of all of the shifty "bailouts" of 2008...

I know I went to my first Tea Party on April 15th of 2009.

As a matter of fact, I gotta tell you, that on the 2nd big Tea Party in my city on the 4th of July, a mention about an amendment to our state constitution preventing the federal government intruding into our health care from one of the "official" speakers on stage got some polite applause, and one hearty WHOOOO!

I know it was only one, 'cause I did it.  And felt sheepish when a bunch of people looked at me like, "whaaaa?".

(Don't ever be the only one to go WHOOO! in a crowd.)

Don't know what the hell happened over the next four weeks but hot damn, people here got all fired up about health care too.

...Hope that some of the people who chatted with me later (after deciding that I was probably a harmless lunatic) passed on some of my concerns about the project of "Universal Healthcare" to some of their friends.

It's not just this.

And even if some people showed up late to the party, a lot of people are putting more thought, time and effort into being American citizens than I would have ever believed.

It's not just this.

Even though this is the worst of it.

People are starting to question everything that they have been told to believe about the way the world works.

They are checking the assumptions handed down to them by experts against reality and finding those assumptions fatally flawed.

Not everyone.

But enough.

And more everyday.

120 If amnesty is to be stopped, the right needs to immediately come to terms with the fact any opposition will be deemed "racism."  Then, they need to get over it.  The right needs to tell it like it is:  the purpose of amnesty is to add bodies to the entitlement-recipient rolls, and to give Dems votes.  Pro-amnesty Republicans who talk about "immigrant family values" and "conservatives yearning for entrepreneurial opportunity" and  whatnot should be denounced as delusional. 

121 Degan on Imus said that the provision that insures coverage for those with pre existing conditions kicks in for children immediately and for everyone else in 2014.   So what is the point then?

122

Posted by: Vic at March 22, 2010 05:21 AM (QrA9E)

Allie or Aly or however the fuck she spells it, is a total shill.  I always hear her playing "devil's advocate".  I don't think she's playing.  Gretchen is like nails on a chalkboard to me.  I say they have Dana Perino replace them both.  Dana was great the other day.

Posted by: Phil at March 22, 2010 05:07 AM (lI9wK)

Phil, you're a douchebag.  Drink that.

123 Better this than amnesty, IMO, if they're only going to be able to do this once.  This can be at least partially undone at a later date.

124 Stock market going underwater for the opening bell of our new socialist utopia. 

125 Degan on Imus said that the provision that insures coverage for those with pre existing conditions kicks in for children immediately and for everyone else in 2014.   So what is the point then?

The point probably is for a butt-load of people with crippled children who require $6,000 worth of care per week just to live, to sign up for the private plan that I am currently on for $150 per month and then have me cry to my Representative about the mean nasty insurance company raising my monthly premium to $3000 per month because the insurance company is so heartless and greedy.

Then my Representative will haul those greedy bastards in front of some panel and put them out of business.

So that I have no insurance at all.

I'm pretty sure that's what the point is.

126 What I'm saying is that they made a hugh deal about stopping insurance companies from baring you for a pre existing condition.  They said it would kick in right away.  Degan McDowell on Imus from Fox business channel just said it would not kick in until 2014.  So did they lie already?   Did he lie in his speech?

127 124 business love taxes, what are you talking about?

128 Ad Triarios Redisse!

129 Yes, we should definitely listen to Kramer, because he and the other TV talking heads have all done such a great job predicting the economy.

130 Ad Triarios Redisse! Don't make me think so hard at this hour, please.

131

A 27 year-old "child".  27 is the new 18.  This is just stupid.  I mean I know why they are doing it but a 27 year-old is not a child.  Hell, they are middle-aged.  Nobody is doing their "child" any favor by keeping them on their insurance until they are 27.  An 18 year-old should know responsibility.  At 27 they won't magically learn it.

132 O/T:  Look at the comments in this article.  I don't remember the bushes every traveling anywhere or their daughters for that matter.  Did they?  Or was it that the press didn't report on it like they do with the current WH occupants?  The comments are really nasty as though people are assigned to go on message boards and into comments for articles and demonize GWB.

133 'morning Morons.

Godspeed to the state Attorneys General filing suit.

134 Mourning in America.

135 I kan haz massive civil disobedience now?! So, who's going to become the Rosa Parks of the next great freedom movement? It will entail massive fines, jail and a character assassination that made Joe the Plumber's tame by comparison.

136 fluffy:

The Triarii were usually the oldest and very experienced of the Roman army, and their job was to defend against disaster as a last resort, or to shock the enemy with a different look at the right moment. The Triarii were armed with the Roman equivalent of the phalanx style spear, the Hastae. If the heavy infantry were pushed back, the Triarii would charge forward with their spears, hopefully with the effect of shocking the enemy and allowing the Princeps and Hastati time to regroup. They were used as a last resort, and the Latin expression ‘ad triarios redisse’, or it has come to the triarii, became a general phrase meaning that something was in a desperate situation.

Sorry fer the colors. It's cut and paste job. In more modern terms, Ad Triarios Redisse! could translate to "Fire the FPF!"

137 Morning M&M's,

Ok HCR is behind us now if the state AG's can tie this crap up in court until we win big in Nov. so that we can help them, don't give up the sun will rise today.

138 I hope Jim Cramer loses his shirt. Fool.

139 'Nam Grunt:
Ok, good. The AGs get it wrapped up until there can be a change over. Then what? What about next time? And there will be a next time. We're dealing with a long term storm surge situation. You survive one wave, there's many many many more, stacked up far beyond the horizon, coming to crash upon us.

The Long Marchers own  most of the education system, much of the political system, our law enforcement refuses to enforce election laws or prosecute those who openly and aggressively subvert the electoral system.

There's an oath about all this. How much is too much? How far is too far?

140

I (seriously) Blame Bush.

141 Jess:

I blame POTUS Wilson.

142 So I guess there'll be no pud dipping...Sigh!

143 What I'm saying is that they made a hugh deal about stopping insurance companies from baring you for a pre existing condition.

Yeah, I noticed that too.  "An end to "discrimination" against people with pre-existing conditions!"

I too thought that they were talking about everybody, all at once, not just children.

But same difference, really.

Proves to me that 90% of the public doesn't even fucking understand what insurance is.

Even the media people were all like "Well, that's got to be a good thing, right?  Who could possibly want insurance companies to "discriminate" against sick people?"

Me.

I want my insurance company to discriminate against already sick people!

If something really horrible were to happen to me, medically, there is no way I could pay the costs of treatment.

But, if my insurance company weighs the likelihood of something really horrible happening, against the amount of my money it will get to use in investments over time including a possible pay-out, then I'm more than happy to keep giving them my money year after year, even if I never claim $1 in benefits.

I don't want and I don't need free "health care" for every sniffle and hang-nail.

I need to be able to pay a reasonable amount per month into a system that can cover me if things go way south and I get diagnosed with MS or something or an anvil drops on my head.

Oh, and if I get diagnosed with cancer or something before I think to find coverage for myself?

Well then, how is that your fault?

I mean it's sad and all, especially for me, but do you owe me money 'cause am all cancery and sad now?

I don't think so.

But charitable donations would be welcome.

144 139 - You are playing a tune I've been humming for a LONG time. Much as I would like to see William Ayers hung, drawn and quartered in front of the Pentagon, he was a shrewd little puke. He put down the pipe bombs and became a "mainstream" educational guru - that is, educating his SDS minions to infiltrate academia and poison the minds of children for over 40 years now. The damage has been done. Forget the government. TAKE BACK THE SCHOOLS. PRESERVE THE TRADITIONAL FAMILY. Only then will we truly be able to win the culture war and restore our Republic.

145 So the Government owns the Student Loan business now too?

146 Poor Kramer. Can't admit he was taken for a ride and used like a wet dishrag.

147 Kathleen Sebilious is a lying fucking scrunt.

148 "....don't give up the sun will rise today."  Ah, Mr. Nam, it's snowing in Alabama this morning.  I guess it's all that Global Warming the guvment lies to us about.  They lie a lot, don't they.  But you are right, things may get better.

149 I can't wait for the "can you imagine how bad things would have been if..." stories from the MSM.

150 So the Government owns the Student Loan business now too?

Not yet.  That is part of the conciliation package.  Hopefully we still have a chance to kill that.  I mean, nationalizing the student loan business really is about budget matters isn't it?

151

Kathleen Sebilious is a lying fucking scrunt.

The things I was just shouting at the TV are QUITE unbecoming of a lady.

152 It may cause a double dip, but Cramer is (still) an idiot if what happened yesterday will cause those other "policy" items to be easier to pass. 

Some of the Congressional Imbeciles may no feel confidence, others may feel their death pills have already been taken, so why sweat more death pills, but most of the House and Senate will very quickly discover that political nuclear bomb has gone off, and the flash and shock wave is headed towards them.

Cramer, once upon a time a smart guy, is now no more than a stupid clown; kind of like Krugman.  Once smart doesn't mean always, or even long smart.

153 Send some money and send a message to fire this America hating bitch. http://bit.ly/aQZEsq

154 Well, those of us already engaged to stop Democrats need to stay engaged.  Those who sat on the sidelines, well, you can't do that anymore.  Get on the field of battle and do something, anything.  This war has just begun.  As for those thirty something Democrats that voted no, don't trust 'em.  They were allowed to vote no.  Pelosi would've made them come around if she really wanted to.  If Stupak folded, they would've too.  I will never, ever trust a democrat again no matter what.  My Democratic neighbors are in a world of shit.  I see them break the law, home owners association rules, etc I am going to turn them in.  I'm fucking done with Democrats.

155 No it is not all over yet there is still a very small chance that the courts could kill it.

First the States must follow through on that threat to sue. Keep in mind that a lot of them were basing their intent to sue over the "deem to pass BS" that was tabled.

When one or more does sue, what ever federal court they sue in must issue a stay and then agree to hear the case. Agreeing to hear the case involves granting the State "standing".

Keep in mind the rules for standing in a federal court; Injury, causation, and redressability. Given that in previous cases the Supremes have been reluctant to intrude in "legislative" matters one of the more liberal courts in say CA may say that the case does not have redressability in that the supremes can not make the State whole. 

And even if it does make it past standing it will ultimately wind up in the Supreme Court where the 4 liberals would vote to uphold a law that made Obama "leader for life" and it would be up to which side of the bed Kennedy got up on.

Yes, it could make it through all that and be rendered moot.

I think an Article V convention would have a better chance of fixing this as well as all the rest of the commie shit as long as the States were able to hammer out a condition that the convention MUST be like the original in which each State only got one vote. That would block the ability of the communists in States like NY and CA from doing mischief. 

156 Absolutely right (#154 CDR M).  I remember who supported Obama around here.  They will not get my business or even the time of day from me.  

We now know,  absolutely,  that they cannot be trusted on anything.   They are bad people and should not be in even dog catcher positions (and that includes my brother the union electrician).  Family ties keep me from avoiding his company,  but I will no longer politely tolerate his bluster about how great this plan is.

Pffft.  They are not going to get anything from me.

157 150 So the Government owns the Student Loan business now too?

Not yet.  That is part of the conciliation package.  Hopefully we still have a chance to kill that.  I mean, nationalizing the student loan business really is about budget matters isn't it?

Posted by: Vic at March 22, 2010 07:39 AM (QrA9E)

I thought that passed to with 220 votes (+1 from the Health vote, who flipped?).  If it passed, the government now owns the student loan business.  So, government gets to choose your health care and who gets money for a college degree.  Building up for a loyal set of followers so they can be members of the Party and reap the rewards.

158

Posted by: CDR M at March 22, 2010 07:48 AM (cvmTR)

 

Good morning, CDR M! 

My Democratic neighbors are in a world of shit.  I see them break the law, home owners association rules, etc I am going to turn them in.  I'm fucking done with Democrats.

I snickered to myself as I pictured you (with table cloth on head) going around house to house with a ruler in hand, checking the length of the blades of grass in your neighbor's lawns. 

159 CDR

The reconciliation package still has to get voted on by the senate, which can't happen (per the parliamentarian) until zero signs the senate bill.

160 I thought that passed to with 220 votes (+1 from the Health vote, who flipped?).

It did pass in the House, but that was the reconciliation package which now must go to the Senate. The news media is calling that the "fix it" package.  Isn't it amazing that when the Republicans threatened to use it to get some of Bush's judges appointed they called it the "Nuclear Option"?  Now it is a "fix it" package.

I am just about as disgusted with the news media as I am the Democrats, and that includes most of the liberals on Fox as well.

161 I will be using opensecrets.org big time to ensure I know who my neighbors are.  I'm gonna try to steer clear of businesses that heavily donate to democratic causes (Costco etc).  I'm not talking about the 50/50 ones, just the heavy Dem ones.  Probably write letters to the 50/50 companies to get them to drop support for Dems.  Perhaps we conservatives need to apply the Jesse Jackson rules of engagement for companies that support Democrats.  Of course, if we did that, I'm sure Holder would charge us with RICO violations.

162 Good morning comrade morons.

163 Thanks for the update GMan and Vic.

164 I wonder if the military health care issues are in the reconciliation package?

165

I snickered to myself as I pictured you (with table cloth on head) going around house to house with a ruler in hand, checking the length of the blades of grass in your neighbor's lawns. 

Posted by: bereft, disappointed moron at March 22, 2010 07:55 AM (CfmlF)

Knowing Democrats, they'll think I'm Palestinian and throw me some love and donations!

166 The market is going to go down faster than Clinton in the Oval Office.

167 Yes, the time for "comity" is over. The R's threatened to block ALL other activity in congress for the rest of the year if they crammed this down using "reconciliation".

Well R's let's see you do it.  The same goes for the rest of us. It is full on war now. Liberals get the message to ESAD now around my neighborhood (although there ain't too many liberals in my neighborhood).

168 Family ties keep me from avoiding his company,  but I will no longer politely tolerate his bluster about how great this plan is.

Well, word of mouth and personal referrals are pretty important in the trades.

Does his company have a competitor run by more conservative types that you, as the sister of "someone in the business" would feel A-OK about recommending, if asked?

169 The market is going to go down faster than Clinton in the Oval Office.

If I was reading it correctly the overseas/overnight markets were dropping like a rock on the WSJ this morning.

170 Did ya ever wake up and in your early morning fog think, 'Wait...something really bad happened yesterday'.  Yeah, that....

How do you find out who companies donated to?  I've used opensecrets many times but only for individuals.  Does it track businesses too?

171 I wonder if the military health care issues are in the reconciliation package?

My understanding was that they had left out military altogether.  In other words, no impact.

I will know soon though since my MIL is on tri-care.

172 From DeMint this morning: My oped in USA Today: REPEAL IT. http://bit.ly/dv3qbV

173 Guess I picked the wrong week to try and get my old job back.

174 The Senate version dropped the exemption for Tri-Care that the House version had back in August.  Don't know it it got put back in in the reconciliation package.

175 Good old DeMint. It would be nice if we had two of him instead of that other asshole.

Speaking of which, my wife got an E-mail that is circulating around that gives all the "stuff" in the bill.  One of the things mentioned was a requirement for a national ID card. Remember Grahamnasty was saying we would get that as a benefit for amnesty III.  He knew full well we were going to get it anyway.

And the experts have long said it would be useless since it would be counterfeited before they even finished making them.

176 "It may cause a double dip, but Cramer is (still) an idiot if what happened yesterday will cause those other "policy" items to be easier to pass. " Why do people think we are out of the recession? A recession is measured by 2 consecutive quarters of negative growth in the GDP. Here's the problem with measuring it that way, they don't adjust for inflation and we have been doing nothing if not inflating the money supply in the last year. This is one of the reasons the stock market still looks good and one of the reasons gas prices are holding steady at $3 a gallon. Do you think this doesn't effect the GDP numbers? There isn't going to be a double dip recession because we never recovered from the original one. As for Krauthammer saying this won't be repealed shows how ignorant he and most people are about economics. WE CANNOT AFFORD THIS! Our bond rating will show us that very soon: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aYUeBnitz7nU

177

Seriously, I haven't slept in the last several days!  I am just sick about this absolutely morally bankrupt and evil bill.  I hate these Democrat politicians with an almost blinding rage. 

 

178 The Senate version dropped the exemption for Tri-Care that the House version had back in August.

Why would it need an exemption?  Wouldn't it be just like any other insurance program that "you can keep"?

179 Why do people think we are out of the recession?

They think it because the adm has published two quarters in a row of positive GDP growth.  Of course the numbers are BS but the media is giving them credit for it.

180 "The Jim Cramer Indictment: Five More Counts"

181 Why would it need an exemption?  Wouldn't it be just like any other insurance program that "you can keep"?

Posted by: Vic at March 22, 2010 08:13 AM (QrA9E)

The Senate-passed health care bill, which the House is expected to “deem” passed on March 21, 2010, omitted protections for military health plans that were included in the House bill.  Specifically, the Senate language does not appear to give the Department of VeteransÂ’ Affairs (VA) health care system specific protection from interference by other government agencies administering the various authorities contained in the massive bill, as it pertains to “minimum essential coverage.”  The minimum essential coverage language in the Senate bill does cover “the veterans health care program under chapter 17 of title 38, United States Code,” but it is unclear whether that covers veteransÂ’ survivors and dependents.

The final bill would leave it up to a bureaucrat at the Department of the Treasury to determine whether TRICARE meets the minimum standards under the DemocratsÂ’ individual health insurance mandate.  If that bureaucrat decides against TRICARE, service members and their families would have to buy some other health coverage or pay a penalty.

182 How do you find out who companies donated to?  I've used opensecrets many times but only for individuals.  Does it track businesses too?

Go the other way.

Just use it to look up your local turd Representative.

Or, if yours is one of the good 'uns, I'll bet there's some Rep. a district or so a way who is fucking reprehensible.

Find out who, in your community, pays the big bucks to make this shit happen.

Who are the top 5 donors?

There was another site posted in one of the 729 seprate threads yesterday, not opensecrets, where you could more easily find individual (like your neighbor or the guy who owns the dry-cleaners that you use) names but I don't remember what it is.

Someone here will know what I'm talking about.

183 I don't know where I found this (Hot Air, I think), but I think this will be one of the must read stories of the day.

Must Read Story

184 Holy cow, I knew the font would be big, but I thought it would be smaller than that.

185 a dem on FOX is kinda sticking her foot in her mouth right now, hurting Stupak's election

186

My guess, double dip hits late 2010.  Maybe early 2011.  All the new taxes won't start right away.  But lay-offs and shortened work weeks will shortly follow.  Homeowners will be further squeezed, and the home market will be a real bitch this time.

I've predicted (and hoped) that the GOP would take back neither the House or Senate in 2010.  Nudge right up there, but let the Dims still own it all.   It's going to take awhile to straighten out the economy, double dip or not, so let the Dims keep taking the blame, right into 2012.  Then the GOP takes both houses along w/ the WH.

187 Runningrn: " I hate these Democrat politicians with an almost blinding rage. "

On the one hand, it cheers me up to see that I am not alone.

On the other hand, rage is not good for a person. We all need to figure out how to be effective and take back our country from these criminals.

188 "SEC Investigates Jim Cramer's Website Inquiry involves TheStreet.com's accounting"
Google says there is also an article at huff poo poo but I can't stand ariana so I don't want to give her site the clicks.   I know Andrew Breitbart is also involved with the site, and believe me, this fact has diminished his credibility big time with me and a lot of my friends, but still won't give her the click.

189 My guess, double dip hits late 2010.  Maybe early 2011.  All the new taxes won't start right away.  But lay-offs and shortened work weeks will shortly follow.  Homeowners will be further squeezed, and the home market will be a real bitch this time.

The Bush tax cuts expire at the end of 2010 and everyone that thinks 'only the rich' got them are going to be hurting even more.

190

Your pep talk for the day from Legal Insurrection.

http://tinyurl.com/y8svgda

 

191

Posted by: Tami at March 22, 2010 08:23 AM (VuLos)

please tell that to my brother who thinks raising the top marginal tax rate will lead to an economic boom

192 187 Runningrn: " I hate these Democrat politicians with an almost blinding rage. "

On the one hand, it cheers me up to see that I am not alone.

On the other hand, rage is not good for a person. We all need to figure out how to be effective and take back our country from these criminals.
    No, we are definitely not alone (thank goodness for that).  And yes, I do know that all this chronic anger is really bad for me.  Sigh! 

193 How do you find out who companies donated to?  I've used opensecrets many times but only for individuals.  Does it track businesses too?

Posted by: Tami at March 22, 2010 08:04 AM (VuLos)

Check out HillBuzz.  They've already started doing this.  Go back several days and you'll see their rationale, and who they've already gathered info on.  Recently (yesterday?) they laid out a step by step for others to use.

194

We got rid of the old Admin at my college and half the Board too....the new crew keeps breaking the law too.

sigh

195
File Under: Did I hear that right?

O'Donnell, on Morning Joe, saying, Republicans were ineffectual, in explaining to the American people, the massive tax increases contained in the bill.

??????????

So, I guess, massive tax increases will be the fault of Republicans?.. On a bill they unanimously voted AGAINST?

196 "DrewFinch 3.13.09  If he broke the law, then he should pay the price, but everyone seems to be glossing over the major fact the reason Cramer is receiving all the attention is because he was critical of Obama's economic policies.... that is far more worrisome to me"

Seems Cramer gets a yearly visit from the SEC.   Amazing how the guys/gals on the yahoo finance board were begging them to do something about some of the message boards and they complained they got no response.

197 MDr
We need to do more than take back Congress and the WH.

We need politicians who will articulate what is(was) great about this country, to teach the "muddle" what freedom really is, to teach them what harm has fallen them because of the decades of intrusion by the federal government and the decades of failure of defense of our rights by the SCOTUS.

The problem is that when a conservative speaks, other conservatives understand, but the "muddle" really does not. We need to reach them.

And we need to educate them that a Democratic pol. WILL steal their rights, if the pol. thinks it's safe to do so. So people like "my" Steven Lynch voted no *only* because the House calculated that his was one of the most vulnerable seats. They are a voting bloc to steal our freedom. And they are very very reliable in that way.

198

please tell that to my brother who thinks raising the top marginal tax rate will lead to an economic boom

Posted by: YRM at March 22, 2010 08:24 AM (rbtaB)

If he believes that, there's really no point in talking.

199
Christoph, first of all The Atlantic sucks.

Second, Megan McCardle is as obstinate as Camille Paglia. Both of them find fault in Obama but the y always make sure to tell us they hate the Republicans even more.

So Megan McCardlepretty much calls Obama a liar, a fraud, and a buffoon, but at the end of the day, the Republicans are even worse. I don't know if she puts that in there gratuitously for the left wing Atlantic readership or if she really believes it.

200 They can only do one reconciliation bill per year, and this one is it.

Correct. That's why my fear is they are going to drop recon like a hot potato here and then use it for as much of the rest of the agenda as they can. Someone said they are "now" emboldened. Not true. They've been emboldened for a while.

201 The final bill would leave it up to a bureaucrat at the Department of the Treasury to determine whether TRICARE meets the minimum standards under the DemocratsÂ’ individual health insurance mandate.  If that bureaucrat decides against TRICARE, service members and their families would have to buy some other health coverage or pay a penalty.

Pffft!

I'm surprised at you spreading worry and uncertainty for no good reason!

Actually, I'm a little bit disappointed in you, as well.

I have no doubt, whatsoever, that once any service member or a member of their family who wishes to continue on TRICARE submits proof of gender reassignment surgery to the IRS that they will be immune from any and all penalties.

202 I hate these Democrat politicians with an almost blinding rage.

Runningrn

I changed my Facebook page early this morning.  It now reads:  I hate democrats! Yeah, I said it. You don't like it...defriend me. I don't give a shit.

203 Thank you Christoph...it is a great article. I have been reading McArdle , and she gives the take of a disillusioned Democrat ( many of them this am I suspect). I am an Independent, I care about the process. I hope the Democrats that sold us out ROT IN HELL...and I will work to deliver hell to them in November and before. I have time, money and will party when I deliver their plans to move back to a state where many people HATE them.

204 Now would be an excellent time for our bankers, the Chinese, to yank back the credit card. They told us not to do HCR, after all.

Not even the Chinese are commie-crazy enough to provide that entitlement to their citizens.

205 Posted by: Deety at March 22, 2010 08:16 AM (aVzyR)

Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at March 22, 2010 08:26 AM (ucq49)

Thanks for the suggestions...and I do remember the Hillbuzz.  I'll check it out.

206 runningrn and qrstuv

Yeah, I'm with you two on the rage thing.  Wish I could figure out a way to be more of a "cheerful warrior" type.  I'll have to go with what I know though, and that's enough anger to kick puppies.

207 Colonel: All that hate's gonna burn you up kid
Robert: It keeps me warm

Hey, look what the Dems irrational hatred of W got them.

208
Some good news?

US Attorney General Eric Holder took office pledging a sharp shift away from the last administration's policies, but an apparent change of heart in the White House could see the top lawyer leave his job. ...

[A] series of gaffes, fights with both Republicans and Democrats, and apparent disagreements between him and the White House have left Holder looking increasingly embattled.

From Powerline.

209 From Powerline.

Posted by: Mal at March 22, 2010 08:34 AM (Z+qzA)

Wish his boss would leave.

210

"We need politicians who will articulate what is(was) great about this country"

No argument from me, but unfortunately, I don't see a Ronald Reagan right now.

211

Posted by: Tami at March 22, 2010 08:30 AM (VuLos)

 

Heh!  Tami, I give you props!  You've got big brass ones.  I can already see you are going to be the "Block Senior" when we get to the camps.

212 Tami,

your ideas intrigue me, and I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.

213 The problem is that when a conservative speaks, other conservatives understand, but the "muddle" really does not. We need to reach them.

And we need to educate them that a Democratic pol. WILL steal their rights, if the pol. thinks it's safe to do so. So people like "my" Steven Lynch voted no *only* because the House calculated that his was one of the most vulnerable seats. They are a voting bloc to steal our freedom. And they are very very reliable in that way.

Posted by: qrstuv at March 22, 2010 08:28 AM (1fE6t)

Good luck with that; the sheep are so fucking lacking in critical thinking skills thanks to our shit education system that they're functionally illiterate.  Case in point:  Three years ago when my family flew to India out of Amsterdam and I sat beside a guy who was traveling to try and get Indian doctors to come work in Amsterdam.  It didn't dawn on my wife and kids, all of whom voted for the jugeared fuck, that the reason it was necessary for him to cajole doctors to relocate was because the state-run system was so shitty that nobody in their right mind would voluntarily do so without massive incentives.

We're swimming against a very strong tide.

214 I guess its time to put the pudding on the shelf.

215
You know why it's both impossible and impractical to be Reaganish 'happy warrior'?

Because the other side doens't play by the rules, and they change the rules as they go along. It's not a fair fight; it's not a level playing field.

IT'S NO LONGER AMERICAN . IT IS TYRANNY.

216 I'm taking the bar in a couple months and I'm seriously now considering dumping my current plans to go to a state that will at least have some freedom left in the next decade. Things are only gonna get worse and being stuck in a blue state is gonna be even worse. Not to mention having to be around obama-bots all day every day.

217 I can already see you are going to be the "Block Senior" when we get to the camps.

Posted by: runningrn at March 22, 2010 08:35 AM (CfmlF)

Thanks!  Wait...block SENIOR?!

218 Just speaking for myself I'm always positive and move forward and I will continue on that path to get rid of as many liberal assholes that I can, no time or ever had the inclination for hand wringing, stay positive and smart folks!

219

Ok folks, deep breath here.  I know the health care vote was demoralizing to say the least, but we now more than ever we need to keep our wits about us and think clearly.

A few things that we have clearly been shown here is that our enemy has no morals, no scruples, and will stop at nothing to complete their socialist take over of America.

However this isn't a done deal yet.  Constitutional challenges abound in this atroicity they laughing call ObamaCare, and as to new legislation we have one clear advantage, they no longer have a philibuster proof Senate.

So, first and foremost we need to get right back on the phones, fire up our keyboards and fax machines and redouble our assault.  But this time not on the Democrats, but rather on the Republican's.

Let the usual suspects in Washington like Olympia Snow who routinely sell us down the river on stuff like this that were watching, and that it won't just be the Democrats who are going to have it rough in the next election.  The little R by her name is no gaurantee. 

If she or any of the rest of these useless RINO's give the Democrats so much as a wink or a smile that we will burn their political houses to the ground and salt the area around it when we're through.  Let Snow, Graham, and the rest of these idiots know that we are watching them like hawks.

That if anyone of them so much as puts a toe across the line and votes yes on anything the Democrats want, even if it's "just a procedural vote" or "we just wanted to move the debate foward" or whatever other lame ass excuse they care to use that when they do come up for relection we'll all be donating as much as we can possibly afford to make sure they are soundly defeated in the primary.

Then make damn sure the republican party is aware that if they don't start putting up primary challenges against these worthless RINO's that they can forget about our support entirely. 

I agree with Hannity, what we need is a re-energized Republican party, but if we want that first we must insist that these damn leeches be removed once and for all. 

So forget about dialing back the pressure, we need to dial it up like never before.  McCain, Snow, Graham, they all need to know that we could care less which issue it is, be it immigration, cap and tax, whatever.. a single yes vote, even on procedure, will cost them their career.  We need to let the republican party know that from now until the next election there is a zero tolerance policy in effect.  All republicans must either stay united against and fight every single item of the Obama agenda or they should lose party support permanently, and if the party lacks the balls to do it then the party isn't our party anymore.

The time for half measures, half truths and more politics as usual is over.  My country, a country that I have bled for and watched good friends die for is under assault, and it's time for the Repulican party to decide once and for all which side of this war their on.

220 Hey, look what the Dems irrational hatred of W got them.

Just imagine what will come from a perfectly rational cold and abiding revulsion.

221

Posted by: Tami at March 22, 2010 08:39 AM (VuLos)

Yeah, "Block Senior" is the savvy inmate with leadership skilz that gets put in charge of his/her barrack.  It's not reflective of your age.

222 It's not reflective of your age.

Posted by: runningrn at March 22, 2010 08:40 AM (CfmlF)

Oh thank God.  I thought somehow you could see me!

223 I'm curious as to why the papist bashing stays up on the previous thread. I can just imagine if the same were said of a racial group.

224

Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 22, 2010 08:39 AM (e8T35)

 

I agree.  We cannot let our depression over this huge smack down immobilize us.  We need to press on and keep the pressure ratcheted up.  We must stay resolved and be in it for the long haul. 

225

Oh thank God.  I thought somehow you could see me!

 

 

She can't see you, but I certainly can.

226 The Democratic Party is now they fascist party.

Are they not?

227 omG

228 you know what I find funny? all of my supposed "peers" -- wives, mostly non-working, of fairly well-off and conservative gentlemen who keep them VERY well -- are dancing around today all happy about the wonderful success over the weekend. so you know, if taxes go up on high earners and the market tanks, I guess I can at least laugh at these ladies. (I've been divested from equities for a little while now)

229 "I'm curious as to why the papist bashing stays up on the previous thread. I can just imagine if the same were said of a racial group."

Catholicism sucks. Individual Catholics vary, however I'll allow that Bart Stupak sucks.

230

She can't see you, but I certainly can.

Posted by: Janet Napolitano, Director of Homeland Security at March 22, 2010 08:44 AM (CfmlF)

Good...can you see what I'm doing now?

231 Joe Scarborough is killing an idiot that says this is a hugh win for "civil rights".... "you are comparing the rights of African Americans with this bill"...the idiot says this is"an expansion of American Democracy". This is lies, lies, Orwellian theory, and crazy...lots of crazy.

232 "you know what I find funny? all of my supposed "peers" -- wives, mostly non-working, of fairly well-off and conservative gentlemen who keep them VERY well -- are dancing around today all happy about the wonderful success over the weekend."

I hope the conservative husbands fuck a half dozen hotter, younger women each and rub their shitty, lazy, leftist wives' noses in it... literally if need be.

233 Joe Scarborough slays calling this a false moral argument... he is really in control and on target.

234 700k and an eo is all it took for stupak to throw the babies under the bus..........

235 I fear that the "idiot middle" who decide most elections in this country are gonna balk in november when nothing bad has happened yet. I almost WANT the Dems to bring on more unpopular socialist crap just to keep people pissed.

236 Christoph - I think it's a real sociological phenomenon. LOTS of Senators with Rs after their names, I'd wager, have soft-headed Libbie wives (AND GIRLFRIENDS!!)

237 ODonnell now is trying to get Joe ...Joe has him backed in a corner. Joe Scarborough would win if he ran against Obama.

238

Here, from WaPo is why we need to stay engaged:

President Obama is set to begin an immediate public relations blitz aimed at turning around AmericansÂ’ opinion of the health-care bill.

Planning inside the West Wing for the post-vote period has proceeded quietly, even as the president and his allies on Capitol Hill were fighting for the measureÂ’s passage.

Reshaping the legislationÂ’s image will take place in three phases, White House aides said: the immediate aftermath; the seven months until the November midterm elections; and the several years that follow, during which many provisions in the measure will gradually take effect.

It pisses me off to no end that this turd isn't done yet, that he, the Dems and the effing MSM are going to continue to lie about the crap sandwich they just foisted on all of us.  The fact that his "PR blitz" is going to be using tax funded dollars to promote these fatuous lies is even more rage inducing.  We've got to keep on this situation!  So if you thought you'd already seen enough of our Liar in Chief, you haven't seen anything yet!  I'm sure he'll be breaking out Michelle and the girls to pimp his message.

239 237:

Yes but America would lose, Scarborough is a clown despite flashes of brilliance.

240

Catholicism sucks. Individual Catholics vary, however I'll allow that Bart Stupak sucks.

Actually we have established that you suck. Catholicism doesn't suck. Some people that call themselves catholic suck and bart would fall into that category. You don't know shit about religion so keep a lid on it, Canadian.

241 700k and an eo is all it took for stupak to throw the babies the U.S. under the bus..........

FTFY

babies aren't the only one that got shafted. They are just what shows you can never trust a commie to help anything except to forward the communist agenda.

242 Joe is dumping on this bill big time, he is point on ...idiot man now talking about a 'great society"....and "evolving" of America... we are closer to a more perfect union...(with who???)

243

Good...can you see what I'm doing now?

 

 

Tami, put that away!  That's a nice hand you have there, be a shame to have a stump next to your ring finger...

244 "Christoph - I think it's a real sociological phenomenon. LOTS of Senators with Rs after their names, I'd wager, have soft-headed Libbie wives (AND GIRLFRIENDS!!)"

I just ended a long-term friendship with one young, hot North Carolinian college girl, and by God I will do more today.

FUCK THE FASCISTS.

Yeah, I know it's a sociological phenomena. I blame it on the fact females have smaller brains, on average.

Hence the skew of females to the left, males to the right.

It's not a perfect relationship, but it's a factor.

245 239 237:

Yes but America would lose, Scarborough is a clown despite flashes of brilliance.

 

 

It would be better than what we've got now.

246 we are closer to a more perfect union...(with who???)

The Soviet.

247 So if you thought you'd already seen enough of our Liar in Chief, you haven't seen anything yet!  I'm sure he'll be breaking out Michelle and the girls to pimp his message.

Posted by: runningrn at March 22, 2010 08:49 AM (CfmlF)

I guess it's pretty good news that Preznit Rupert Pupkin has to continue to get his ugly mug on tv for this.  Even my family that voted for him are tired of seeing Ear Leader's unreality show.

248

Tami, put that away!  That's a nice hand you have there, be a shame to have a stump next to your ring finger...

Posted by: Janet Napolitano at March 22, 2010 08:52 AM (CfmlF)

I'm Sicilian...the gesture involves more than one finger.

249 One other thing the jugeared jackass is doing is destroying Hillary for NY.

He has created a phony crisis with Israel by making an issue of them building housing in JERUSALEM. And has Hillary over there doing the heavy lifting.

I guess he was starting to smell here challenge in 2012.

250 I think we need someone like Joe Scarborough.. He would attract middle America, can argue policy with the best of them( it's why I watch) and he is warm and likable. You have to get Obama to debate someone who knows their stuff, and can talk about an expansive history of government...Joe knows his stuff. He is vulnerable for hard core on either side. I think you can win the middle, and win...and lead. That said I will be voting for who ever the Pubs put up.

251 Joe Scarborough needs to look in the mirror.  His successor in the House, Allen Boyd, voted for this piece of shit.  Hope Joe enjoys his TV career.

252 Regarding the Papist comments, don't you guys know that bashing Catholicism and other types of Christianity are the only allowable forms of bigotry?

253 "Actually we have established that you suck. Catholicism doesn't suck"

Actually Catholicism does suck and that's why I left it (sometime after they kicked me out of Sunday school as a single-digit aged youth because they couldn't answer questions about the obvious contradictions in what I was being taught: Considering the priest celibacy/homosexual sexual abuse culture, it sure looks like I dodged a bullet there, eh?).

If you disagree and think Catholicism is great, then by all means think so. Freedom of thought and opinion and all that.

254

"It pisses me off to no end that this turd isn't done yet..."

There's an upside tho.  The economy still sucks, there's no jobs, and Obama wants to focus on a passed bill.  More people will be outraged.

255 #210, MDr VB1.0:
"We need politicians who will articulate what is(was) great about this country"

Top down approach aint gonna work. Too much rot in the infrastructure (education, election law, refusal to enforce the law, etc).

There aint a gentle way through this patch of dark night.

The lines are drawn. The trenches are dug. The ramparts are manned on both sides of the line.

It's looking like  the1860's all over again.

256 Agree Vic..and good pick up there. Clinton is dead to most Jews now, and Obama has a tiny scratch.. does't matter the Jews will vote for Democrats anyway...speaking as a cultural Jew this is always annoying to me.

257 Regarding the Papist comments, don't you guys know that bashing Catholicism and other types of Christianity are the only allowable forms of bigotry?

Note that I was "cautioned" by one of the moderators after posting a negative statement about the "organized Catholic Church" being a bunch of commies.

So no, you are not allowed to bash Catholics. 

258
I changed my Facebook page early this morning.  It now reads:  I hate democrats! Yeah, I said it. You don't like it...defriend me. I don't give a shit. 

Posted by: Tami at March 22, 2010 08:30 AM (VuLos)

---------

Mine says: RIP America.  Was nice knowing you.  :-(

Fortunately, most of my friends are conservative, but I'm especially hoping my liberal in-laws see it.  My father-in-law has Parkinson's and is not well, and getting all sorts of great services through Medicare, and they don't believe he will be one of the first to lose what he is getting now. 

259 249 One other thing the jugeared jackass is doing is destroying Hillary for NY.

He has created a phony crisis with Israel by making an issue of them building housing in JERUSALEM. And has Hillary over there doing the heavy lifting.

I guess he was starting to smell here challenge in 2012.

 

 

I've always said that I thought that "The World's Smartest Woman" wasn't that smart, and for being all empowered and crap, she sure is servile to the men that she lets control her destiny.  Being a bitch doesn't guarantee any brains.

260 Actually Catholicism does suck and that's why I left it (sometime after they kicked me out of Sunday school as a single-digit aged youth because they couldn't answer questions about the obvious contradictions in what I was being taught

So you've always been an insufferable prick.

261 christoph is starting religion debating again? go to HotAir for that

262 And BTW,

Ace has cautioned Christh multiple times about bashing religion on here.

263

Posted by: Vic at March 22, 2010 09:00 AM (QrA9E)

I swear he's Allah 2.0

264 "I changed my Facebook page early this morning.  It now reads:  I hate democrats! Yeah, I said it. You don't like it...defriend me. I don't give a shit."

I think you put it pretty mildly and timidly, but it's a start.

I'm engaged in the same process one at a time. That way I can really drive the, "You're a fascist supporter," message home.

265

Ok folks, deep breath here.  I know the health care vote was demoralizing to say the least, but we now more than ever we need to keep our wits about us and think clearly.

How's this for clear. It's over man. It passed, the largest entitlement of my generation passed. We're well on the road to being a European Social Democracy. Just get ready for the Republicans to turn into Tories.

Does that mean I am throwing in the towel? No, but it does mean we are likely fighting a losing battle. Now we're just a rearguard, hoping to hold off any major until November. But the fact remains is we are now fighting a losing war. That doesn't mean we need to stop holding out, it just means that the outcome is likely decided.

Entitlements don't go away, they get bigger. If you know better than me, please cite me a massive entitlement that has disappeared. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, SCHIP, the list goes on. 

We will be a social democracy. I know every one, even independents, are pissed about how this went down, but that will pass. It always does. And in times people will learn to love the entitlements, become dependent on them , and fight to keep them around.(See: old people and medicare or social security).

 

The sad fact is elections have consequences, and the 2008 election had major consequences. Just a few more people show up in Minnesota and the Dems dont have 60 senate votes. Same with Alaska, or several other states.

The best thing we can hope for is to keep the Democrats out of a super majority for the rest of our lives, so at the very least they can't add anything else to this new healthcare entitlement, because what exists is all but permanent.

To use a phrase from one of my favorite authors, America as we know it is gone man, solid gone.

266

There's an upside tho.  The economy still sucks, there's no jobs, and Obama wants to focus on a passed bill.  More people will be outraged.

 

This bill is going to kill the economy and jobs even more.  No small busines in its right mind will hire right now, and any business over 50 employees will probably pare down to under 50 so they can avoid the penalty that's incurred if "any of their employees gets federally subsidized health care."  Not to mention how taxes are going to go up on businesses small and big.

267 I don't talk any religion on here, and I never even bother to read those posts...I don't get it. What...you don't like religion Ok, some do. That whole freedom of religion ...liberty thing sure trips some people up.

268

Catholicism sucks. . .

Posted by: Christoph at March 22, 2010 08:46 AM (0fq7b)

FOAD

269 And I'm joking about "mildly and timidly".

Well done.

270 228 you know what I find funny? all of my supposed "peers" -- wives, mostly non-working, of fairly well-off and conservative gentlemen who keep them VERY well -- are dancing around today all happy about the wonderful success over the weekend. 

Posted by: BlackOrchid at March 22, 2010 08:46 AM (SB0V2)

My wife works, I don't, I care for the kids because she earns more than I can.

She didn't believe the details I was telling her-- student loans, cadillac taxes (we have good insurance), losing our insurance as costs shoot up, etc.

A lot of people don't know the details, but it will get worse and worse as they find out more and more.  Your trophy wives' little existences aren't as safe as they think.

271

We will be a social democracy. I know every one, even independents, are pissed about how this went down, but that will pass. It always does. And in times people will learn to love the entitlements, become dependent on them , and fight to keep them around.(See: old people and medicare or social security).

 

I see a gutting of our military in a very forseeable future.  It's the only way they will be able to pay for any of this crap, and it still won't be enough. 

272 " That whole freedom of religion ...liberty thing sure trips some people up."

I support the freedom of religious belief. I'm not tripped up on the subject.

273

"Top down approach aint gonna work."

That's where the Tea Parties are starting to work, ie bottom up.  If they can keep their focus, we'll eventually make some progress.

274

Agree Vic..and good pick up there. Clinton is dead to most Jews now, and Obama has a tiny scratch..

As a non practicing jew, i can tell you that's inaccurate. Jews will ALWAYS vote majority democratic. It will never change. I promise you. The republicans will never get more than 40 percent of the Jewish vote. The democrats could start goose stepping and rounding up jews and the ones who weren't rounded up would still show up at the polls and vote democratic.

275

There's an upside tho.  The economy still sucks, there's no jobs, and Obama wants to focus on a passed bill.  More people will be outraged.

Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at March 22, 2010 08:58 AM (ucq49)

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I really hope there are some coordinated protests everywhere he goes, with signs saying "I Don't Need Health Care, I Need a JOB" ; "Laid Off Due to High Taxes And Regulations", "College Degree, No Job" etc.  Enough of the "socialism" crap; we need to make this electorate focus now on 10% unemployment and this Administration's willful ignorance of it.

276

Mine says: RIP America.  Was nice knowing you.  :-(

Posted by: rockmom at March 22, 2010 08:59 AM (w/gVZ)

Prior to my current message, it read "1776 - 2010"

277 "My wife works, I don't, I care for the kids because she earns more than I can."

Ha ha ha!

Really?

"She didn't believe the details I was telling her-- student loans, cadillac taxes (we have good insurance), losing our insurance as costs shoot up, etc."

Bwa ha ha ha!

278 I support the freedom of religious belief.

There is no freedom of religious belief in Canada, just ask the Human Rights Commission.

279

As a non practicing jew, i can tell you that's inaccurate. Jews will ALWAYS vote majority democratic. It will never change. I promise you. The republicans will never get more than 40 percent of the Jewish vote. The democrats could start goose stepping and rounding up jews and the ones who weren't rounded up would still show up at the polls and vote democratic.

 

Wow, Ben, how did we get you?  Was it the busty lesbian pron?  The military pron?  Teh mad Paul Anka/Brian Dennehy references?  Teh hobos?  Teh Value Rite or teh puddin'?

280 we all must consistently lay the blame of this at the feet of everyone who voted for "hope and change".....no sympathy can be shown for those who voted for obama or a congressman who voted for this travesty.......when the insurance doesn't cover what ails them......they won't even get a "that's too bad" out of me...when they can't buy the insurance and are fined.....i will laugh at them and when they lose their job because of this...i'll laugh harder......

281 Cramer sure is fun to watch, but I no longer take his picks. Tried three of them and lost money on all three. Cramer a reverse indicator?

282 >>I think we need someone like Joe Scarborough..

Joe would be great, I agree. But.... one of the things that always bothered me about Ear Leader was Who Comes After.
Road To Serfdom holds its gonna be a strongman sorta guy. Dictator. Toonces got in mostly by revulsion of W, fraud, and social issues. The next will get in b/c we're truly hurting and we need somebody to fix it all nownownow & nobody will care how that gets done

283 I find it achingly ironic how the party that claims it does things "for the children" have just skrewed and killed not only our current youngest generation, but all those who have yet to be born.  Truly unbelievable.

284 "So, there you have it: Jay Martin, perhaps the world's first black Teabagger? Anyway, thanks for talking with us, Jay. We are fairly convinced that you do not want to kill Obama, but you're still in a shitload of trouble. Hopefully we have all learned a lesson about how far away we should be from our keyboards while being utter fucktards."

285 "There is no freedom of religious belief in Canada, just ask the Human Rights Commission."

I support the freedom of religious belief (including in the case of the Alberta minister who was brought before the CRTC because he was preaching against homosexuality: I think opposing homosexuality is objectively absurd. We're mammals, and a certain statistical percentage of our population is homosexual and so what? But at the same time, this man believes otherwise, based on his ridiculous book, and I supported his right to say what he thought).

286 The democrats could start goose stepping and rounding up jews and the ones who weren't rounded up would still show up at the polls and vote democratic.

I would not be willing to place any bets on that now. I keep saying this but it isn't taking hold. We are breaking new ground here folks. The old paradigms are gone for good.

The communists turned up the heat on the pot a little too much this time and the frogs are screaming.

I am now shifting my predictions for this fall to > 75 in the House and > 7 in the Senate. (provided the Republicans do not self-destruct)

287 "The democrats could start goose stepping and rounding up jews and the ones who weren't rounded up would still show up at the polls and vote democratic."

Probably.

288

"and any business over 50 employees will probably pare down to under 50 so they can avoid the penalty that's incurred if "any of their employees gets federally subsidized health care."  "

My understanding - there's also a penalty for under 50 EEs.  Worse, it takes into acct the salaries of "all" family members.  Employers are allowed to get the other family info.  Invasion of privacy?  Yes.  Also a good way for employers to know who to trim.  This POS sucks six ways from Sun.

289 Benishek, Stupak's future replacement, is @ 12,500+ at his facebook page.

290 Didn't want to listen to Beck this morning because the last thing I heard out of him was "If this passes, America is through."  But he's just pissed.

291

So, the entitlement is all but here.

The illegals who left California, Texas and Arizona brcause of the recession will all be returning (with Grandma, next time) and never, ever leaving again, thanks to Obama, to get on the gravy train with healthcare in place.

I know we are smarting from healthcare at the moment, but look ahead and be ready again soon, otherwise we be paying for healthcare for much of Mexico as well, in perpetuity.

292 Benishek, Stupak's future replacement, is @ 12,500+ at his facebook page.

Posted by: eman at March 22, 2010 09:14 AM (3fzoU)

There's a (R) woman running too, isn't there?  I saw it somewhere on the interwebs last night.  Linda somebody.

293

"and any business over 50 employees will probably pare down to under 50 so they can avoid the penalty that's incurred if "any of their employees gets federally subsidized health care."  "

My understanding - there's also a penalty for under 50 EEs.  Worse, it takes into acct the salaries of "all" family members.  Employers are allowed to get the other family info.  Invasion of privacy?  Yes.  Also a good way for employers to know who to trim.  This POS sucks six ways from Sun.

 

get ready for a nation of independent contractors. Pretty soon the only companies with W-4 type employees will be big businesses.

294 >> No, but it does mean we are likely fighting a losing battle. Now we're just a rearguard

There will come a moment - always does - when political rage becomes overt. May not happen in our lifetimes. The character of it is that the minority/rearguard shifts into an overtly radical mode, Right becoming Left, Left becoming the conservative defenders of the status quo. It sounds bizarre, but its the only way I can put it. Revolutions always trend liberalizing so we need to keep our traditions intact.

295 The illegals who left California, Texas and Arizona brcause of the recession will all be returning (with Grandma, next time) and never, ever leaving again, thanks to Obama, to get on the gravy train with healthcare in place.

Oh, fuck, I hadn't even thought of that.

296 I blame it on the fact females have smaller brains, on average.

Hence the skew of females to the left, males to the right.

It's not a perfect relationship, but it's a factor.

Posted by: Christoph at March 22, 2010 08:52 AM (0fq7b)

Christoph.

Noted theologian, religious bigot, Canadian expert on what animates American patriots, and now phrenologist?

Can we just cut to the chase, already?

Let's just assume that I find you vile and engage you for a while...

....and when you get frustrated you can just call me a cunt, like you did another female poster the last time your ass got banned.

'Kay?

^{(In case some people were wondering about the use of the made up word scrunt around here, Christoph can take a fair amount of credit for that one and also a really disrespectful digression into longbows on the epic I'm sorry I pulled out the Ban Hammer thread that followed...)}

297 275

"Top down approach aint gonna work."

That's where the Tea Parties are starting to work, ie bottom up.  If they can keep their focus, we'll eventually make some progress.

Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at March 22, 2010 09:04 AM (ucq49)

What needs to start happening ASAP, as in yesterday...

Is that teachers that aren't all PC cloned and leftardic alt history alt culture ideologues need to start pushing their way into the Beta Teams that make up the leadership pool of the national teachers' union.

We can't get anywhere sustainable without bringing our education system back into line with reality. A good way to start working that is to get control of that union.

298 The character of it is that the minority/rearguard shifts into an overtly radical mode, Right becoming Left, Left becoming the conservative defenders of the status quo.

That is why labels such as right and left have become meaningless.  In addition, thanks to the media, the terms conservative and liberal have become meaningless.

We should start calling them "big government fascist/communists".

299 Anyway, I apologize to anyone if they think my personal experience with Catholicism and its doctrines, which caused me to leave the religion as a child, means I dislike you if you're a Catholic.

Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, among the women whom I'm romantically involved with at present, the one I'm most involved with is a practicing Catholic.

I appreciate that Catholics are often my ally on the issue of opposing abortion. I certainly agree with them on that subject. And Catholic college babes are just hot. (Who came up with Catholic school uniforms anyway? A really masculine yet chaste heterosexual priest? I dunno. All I can say is, "Good job, man!")

Anyway, moving on.

I often admire Catholics for their committment to life. I often disdain the ones who justify abortion, but claim to be Catholic. It isn't because they're Catholic. It's because they are and/or enable killing kids.

And I'm simply not in a mood to put things nicely or circumspectly today... as is my usual practice.

300

As a non practicing jew, i can tell you that's inaccurate. Jews will ALWAYS vote majority democratic. It will never change. I promise you. The republicans will never get more than 40 percent of the Jewish vote. The democrats could start goose stepping and rounding up jews and the ones who weren't rounded up would still show up at the polls and vote democratic.

 

Wow, Ben, how did we get you?  Was it the busty lesbian pron?  The military pron?  Teh mad Paul Anka/Brian Dennehy references?  Teh hobos?  Teh Value Rite or teh puddin'?

 

no, just the contridictions.  The political ideology of reform jews conflicts not only with the bible, but with some of their stated interests like the support of Israel.  I never understood how these reform jews could support anything israel did, i mean if israel started skinning Pali babies and eating the flesh, the reform jews would be 100 percent behind them, but  in the same token they were against ANYTHING america did to defend itself or its interests. It would leave me spellbound to hear someone be such a friggin hawk when it came to Israel, but at the same time such a dove when it came to America.  I just didn't understand it, and left.

Also their economic ideas are insane. Clearly none of them paid attention to what happened when those ideas were put into place by jews in russia in the 1920s(Sure not all soviets were jews, but let's be serious, they were vastly over represented in the leadership when compared to their actualy percentage of the overall population).

I could not understand how the old testy(as i call it) could say you should give a tithe to the poor(which was really cutting off the corners of your crops back then) and turn that into "you should give your money to the government and let them redistribute it to the poor." I had always thought charity involved free will.

Mainly that is what switched me,.

301 293

So, the entitlement is all but here.

The illegals who left California, Texas and Arizona brcause of the recession will all be returning (with Grandma, next time) and never, ever leaving again, thanks to Obama, to get on the gravy train with healthcare in place.

I know we are smarting from healthcare at the moment, but look ahead and be ready again soon, otherwise we be paying for healthcare for much of Mexico as well, in perpetuity.

The primary drive behind the amnesty agitprop is to work toward fully dismantling our national borders in order to "end interference with the natural migration of humanity".

All this crap aint gonna stop until there is no longer a sovereign US of A. That is the root cause behind all this bullshit. Always has been.

302 Deety, I was simply being kind.

Well, what's your explanation for why so many women compared to men lean left and support abortion, for example, and Obama, and his health care scheme, etc?

In all seriousness I'm willing to accept that other factors than the one I proposed, such as venality and evil, are factors.

Men are more outwardly violent, as we all know. Men commit most violent crimes of all types.

But... women kill far more people in our society, don't they? Indeed, their own innocent unborn kids.

303

We lost on health care, we can not afford on immigration reform too.

We will be paying for more of Mexico than ever before.

 

 

304 @Ben

"no, just the contridictions."

Those pesky contradictions are a big deal for a thinker, aren't they?

For the average general member of the population... any population... not so much.

305 no, just the contridictions.

Doesn't matter what flavor of liberalism you grow up in.  That's the turning point. 

No matter how hard Bill Ayers and his cronies try (and have some notable success) to brain damage our youth, it will always come to that.

The contradictions.

306 We should start calling them "big government fascist/communists".

More to the point treat them that way. Learn to fight them on that basis. Because that's what they are.

307

I blame it on the fact females have smaller brains, on average.

Hence the skew of females to the left, males to the right.

That's why all those hydroencephalitis types are either rocket scientists or designed the large hadron collider.

You're a fuckin' moron, Christoph.

308 Just heard Larry Kudlow on the radio w/Don & Roma in Chicago....he thinks it will be bad in 2011 but for the rest of 2010 things will be great!  Buy healthcare stocks because the healthcare biz won't be taken over until next year (honestly he said that). 

309

Oh and the other thing Kudlow said was that, in Chicago, the top five employers are all units of government (City of Chicago govt, Cook County, State of Illinois, various federal govt agencies, and the Chicago Public Schools).

He mentioned that a recent study showed that government workers make, on average, 50% MORE in wages, benefits, and pensions than private sector employees.  He nibbled around the edges of calling this out for what it is, government takeover of the economy, but couldn't quite bring himself to say that.

310 We should start calling them "big government fascist/communists".

or from the Simpsons, when McBain is fighting the Commie-Nazis who are preventing him from delivering Unicef releif aid.

311 Well, what's your explanation for why so many women compared to men lean left and support abortion, for example, and Obama, and his health care scheme, etc?

In all seriousness I'm willing to accept that other factors than the one I proposed, such as venality and evil, are factors.

No, let's just accept the factor that you did propose.

Do you really want to correlate certain segments of the U.S. electorate that tend to lean left or vote for Obama based on fucking brain size?

Really?

Go for it.

I would personally be fucking fascinated to find out what kind of utopia you could construct if only those whose brains weighed 1350 grams or more were given franchise.

From Canada.

312 Ancient Greece, Deety.

Our ancestors had larger brains than us.

313

You Beck haters missed out.  He was on fire on the opening.  I'm going to e-mail him and ask him to run it again.  Fat chance, but, it's worth a shot.  It was in-freakin-credible. 

314

312:

Ditto.  The troll spent half its day yesterday telling its fellow moonbats how it were going to spend Monday in Mom's basement pissing off the angry wingnuts.  Ignore the troll - it will become sad and bored resume browsing free pronz.

315
I don't know what it means but, Howard Stern says he too is done with the democrats.

316
Today I do something I've never done before.
Today I ask my broker if he's a democrat.  If he says yes, I'm going to take all of my money out of that account.

This is war.

Democrats will not benefit fro my hard earned money.

317 How soon until Cramer gets scolded again by his liberal network?

318

 "tyranny of the majority"

you keep using thees word, but I am not so sure you are knowing what they mean.

 

lol, you guys are good for a laugh on moday a.m. thanks.

319

We should start calling them "big government fascist/communists".

More to the point treat them that way. Learn to fight them on that basis. Because that's what they are.

He may be an evangelical athiest crank with slightly eugenic tendencies, and also a candian, but he's right.

320

Well, what's your explanation for why so many women compared to men lean left and support abortion, for example, and Obama, and his health care scheme, etc?

Liberlism relies on the politics of emotion.  They use emotive arguments and statements to illicit a specific, condition response of compassion.

Ask any liberal why they support something and every single time they start talking emotion.  That's why all the facts, figures and truth in the world won't sway them from their position.

For most liberals their political beliefs are very much intertwined with their own self image.  They believe their political support for liberalism shows the world that they are good, caring, decent people.  And conversely the further down that road they go the more firmly convinced they become that those who disagree with their ideas therefore must be evil, narrowminded, hateful people.

Take a look at the abortion debate, for example.  They are told over and over again about a "woman's right to choose" and boy doesn't that sound good?  I mean who could possibly be against somebody being granted self-determination or privacy?  But they never stop to consider that there is more than one life at stake here, more than one human being that this "choice" affects.  It doesn't enter their minds that one persons right to choose doesn't supercede another persons right to live because they have it in their minds that there is only one person involved.

Again, they buy into the emotive argument that made them feel good about themselves and about how enlightened they were, and they can't now reverse themselves and acknolwedge that they were wrong because if they do, that means that their a bad person.

That's why liberals defend their ideology with such fervor even when you can prove to them with all the facts in the universe that they are completely and totally wrong.  Because if they ever do admit they are wrong, they are admitting to themselves that they are a bad person.

It isn't about being "compassionate", it's about feeling like your compassionate and thus a good person.  It isn't about results, it's about how it makes them feel for supporting the "right" causes.  In the end, it's a selfish, short sighted view that harms and even kills millions (don't believe me, check out what a lack of DDT in africa has caused) but that doesn't matter as long as these pimplesticks feel good about themselves.

Sad, but true.

321 "tyranny of the majority"

you keep using thees word, but I am not so sure you are knowing what they mean.

 

lol, you guys are good for a laugh on moday a.m. thanks.

Posted by: zeke

Idiot.

322 Anyway, moving on.

If only.

323

"The market is going to go down faster than Clinton in the Oval Office."

And yet so far today it's up 25 pts.

324 Time to prove entitlements can be rolled back. But maybe wait a bit...for the voters to savor what happens when they vote in the irresponsible party. I think a simple lowering of the subsidies to 150-200% of poverty would work. Get rid of medicaid at the same time and hand out healthcare vouchers to those folks - we already pay for them anyways. Increase age for medicare. Get rid of the taxes on medical devices (seriously, taxing innnovation, how dumb.) I'd also include a "global price" requirement where Pharma is required to reveal the prices charge to France, UK, etc. Those should be the baseline we pay for - now, Pharma should realize they need to raise rates for the socialists in Europe and Canada - and lower ours...not allow them to free ride.

325 Stock market will do fine. Its the risk of employment being reduced as firms hire less, fire more, outsource more. Plus cap and trade...

326 Great, so when is he going to go on John Stewart's show to grovel and apologize again?

327 Cristoph has explained exactly what I meant when I said last night that being a woman is considered a "pre-existing condition."

328 If I ever got banned from a website, I'd have the self respect to never come back.  Most people would.

329 Its the risk of employment being reduced as firms hire less, fire more, outsource more.

Yea, unemployed people always buy the same amount of products and services from companies that employed ones do.

Go with that.  Bet your money on it.

330  cheap abercrombie

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