1 See, THIS is the sort of Tea Partying anti-incumbent primarying that I can really get into.  This is like taking down Bennett in Utah -- we're merely replacing a questionable Senator in a safe red state with someone more suitable to the tenor of the times.  Murkowski's basically a milder version of her father and the late Ted Stevens when it comes to pork-barrelling, and notably squishy in her public statements...I'd be happy to see her go.

2

As of 10:30 this morning, the Tea Party Moneybomb had raised $87,000.  Their goal is $150,000 by Tuesday.  This race is very winnable.  Pitch in what you can folks.

3 YES! Thank you Ace! This would be a huge win for us and would send a major message to the DC establishment! Miller is rock solid.

4

Another Senate vote for the Party of 'No!'.

Why do you hate Obama so much, Ace?

5 Any FL peeps care to chime in on WTH we're supposed to do in the FL-8 primary on Tuesday?

This is a disaster.

We've got a warmed-over establishment GOP retread (Weaver) up against a bunch of -- let's put this diplomatically -- people who are going to be chewed up and spit back out again by Grayson.

To me it looks like a 3-way choice:

Weaver (probably best shot to actually win against Grayson)
Long (right on all the issues, but has baggage Grayson will exploit)
Sullivan (Tea Party favorite, mama grizzly, but untested)

I'm leaning toward Sullivan, believing she's the best overall and hoping a GOP wave will sweep her in, regardless of the slime Grayson will undoubtedly throw at her.

(p.s. don't look now, but in the latest Q poll Alex Sink is now even with McCollum in the governor's race and Crist is leading Rubio.  They also have problems over in FL-24 [Kosmas])

6 So glad you're highlighting Miller.  Sounds like a great guy.  I think his interview with Levin was Thursday night if anyone wants to download that podcast.

Lloyd Marcus also wrote a column at American Thinker about his campaigning for Miller.

RINO hunting season is open!

7 Shorter Purple Fury: Definitely don't get cocky. At least not in Florida.

8 Just donated. 

9

Just had the Dem. Candidate for the State house drop by...his literature only identified him as the (D)emocrat candidate on the back of the pamphlet in the minor font.  Nowhere else did the word 'democrat' or letter (D) appear.

Comedy.

10 >>>We've got a warmed-over establishment GOP retread (Weaver) up against a bunch of -- let's put this diplomatically -- people who are going to be chewed up and spit back out again by Grayson. Is Grayson really that golden? What's the polling like? If it's an unwinnable contest I guess vote for who's best, not who can win.

11 Isn't Murkowski is a convicted felon?

12 A great speech, entitled The Care of Freedom, was given at United States Navy Memorial in Washington, D.C.  You're not going to believe your ears.  At long last, I think we found the next Reagan!

13 As an Alaskan voter, I emailed Murkowski about repealing Obamacare. Her response was lukewarm at best; stating that she thought it should be fixed, but there were aspects that she strongly supported, like eliminating pre-conditions.

Overall, I feel like she might vote with the Majority if she thinks it's safe, but can't be counted on to really push for repeal.

I'm definitely voting for Miller.

14

LOL. Looks like Dean is letting loose on the fraud, considering the fraud and Emanuel backstabbed Howard Dean in 2008, I can see why he's pisssed

Dean: If Dems Lose, It's Obama's Fault

Howard Dean: I canÂ’t shake the feeling that ObamaÂ’s advisors are out of touch with the country

15

OK....I agree, Miller should be very much preferred over Murkowski..

...but FUCK MARK KIRK in Illinois...I would prefer a fucking known-quantity Democrat over this venal and pandering POS

16 >>> Is Grayson really that golden? What's the polling like?

If it's an unwinnable contest I guess vote for who's best, not who can win.

There's been no polling of any kind, that I've seen.  If either party is polling, they're not releasing the results.

It's not that Grayson is all that golden, it's that he's got piles of (his own) money.  And absolutely no shame whatsoever -- his campaign will be BEYOND ugly, and poor folks like Patricia Sullivan just don't have the campaign war chest (at least right now) to fight back effectively.

17

...but FUCK MARK KIRK in Illinois...I would prefer a fucking known-quantity Democrat over this venal and pandering POS

Posted by: beedubya at August 22, 2010 04:10 PM (Q3TFM)

--No way.  It's all about the chairmanships.  I would not support Kirk financially, but I gotta hope he beats his mobster opponent.

18 I'm leaning toward Sullivan, believing she's the best overall and hoping a GOP wave will sweep her in, regardless of the slime Grayson will undoubtedly throw at her. Posted by: Purple Fury

These kind of situations highlight the incompetence for which the GOP machine is known.

The best solution is for the GOP to negotiate 'concessions' from the GOP retread (Weaver,) such as declaring support for auditing the Fed, for example. Whatever Sullivan's big 3 issues are, the GOP should extract clear vows on action and solid plans to deliver. If satisfied the apparently weaker candidate, Sullivan, could lend his support.

Yes, the GOP retread could lie, yes, and he could stab the TPartiers in the back. However, this is how multi-faction parties work and the way, I thought, that the TP is going to remap the GOP. TPartiers don't have to integrate with the GOP. They need to act as a horsewhip and push the GOP back on track.

19

beedubya, I'm glad I can count on your vote.

20 He's running against Lisa Murkowski, who while not really a RINO, has a low-ish score of 70 from the ACU.

An ACU score of 70 is firmly in the RINO region. Hell, Lindsey Graham is higher than that.

21

Ace,

Can't agree with your assesment of Murkowski winning the Obamacare debate issue....Miller said he thinks the government should have NO ROLE in healthcare...the absolutely correct answer! She wants to FIX what's wrong.....hell, the very idea is WRONG!

 

22 ACU ratings for Lisa 68 in 2009, 58 in 2008, and 67 in 2007.  Hell, not only is she a RINO she is barking on DIABLO status with that 58.

23 In slightly related news, yesterday's St. Louis Post-Disgrace features the headline "Biden Takes Aim at Pessimism."

They're getting closer to berating the American people for their 'malaise.'

24 After this TP cluster in WA. He'll have to produce a torn up Ron Paul fan club card before I donate dime one.

25

--No way.  It's all about the chairmanships.  I would not support Kirk financially, but I gotta hope he beats his mobster opponent.

Posted by: logprof at August 22, 2010 04:15 PM (BP6Z1)

That Italian guy Giannoulis....may be mob connected...but we know where he stands

...even if we do win the Senate..we have some some really sketchy new potential senators..Kirk, Castle, Scott Brown...to along go with Miss Lindsey, the Maine sisters, Grassley and others where I don't think it would make a fucking bit of difference if we took back the senate..

..what good is if things are put forward out of committee..and we have these depenedably contrarian fuckers??

26 Endorsing TARP doesn't really say much about someone's politics (as noted, people from all over the spectrum panicked in favor of it), but it says a lot about their understanding of economics. In my judgment TARP had about a 10% chance of success, and that ten percent was based on the possibility that all conservative economists, thinkers and theoreticians were wrong and had been wrong for 50 years. Surprise, surprise, they weren't.

27 12

Fuck you. "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush."Boston Herald, 10/27/94

You would think the next Reagan would have supported him while he lived.

28 Posted by: beedubya at August 22, 2010 04:24 PM (Q3TFM)

--We just need to ride it out two years more: The likes of Warner and Nelson will be ejected from undeserved conservative states' seats, and 0bama (God willing) will no longer be able to veto.  The new blood in '12 will rein in the RINOs and maybe even gie a filibuster-proof majority.

Of course I'm being optimistic, but you gotta have some positive vision.

29 He ain't got shit on me. Now watch me shoot my gun in a way that looks like I'm masturbating.

30 Yeah, Mitt is about as close to the "next Reagan" as McCain.

31

..what good is if things are put forward out of committee..and we have these depenedably contrarian fuckers??

Posted by: beedubya at August 22, 2010 04:24 PM (Q3TFM)

Judges, a republican majority in the Senate can slow down Obama's selection of marxist judges and force him to choose more conservative ones.

32 tomshup, Ace didn't say that Murkowski won it, that was an excerpt from another blogger's coverage of it. Ace said he thought that conservatives would lean towards Miller's response.

33 Vic at August 22, 2010 04:18 PM (/jbAw)

ACU ratings are useless. It presumes all votes are equal, which they aren't of course. While a low rating may suck, a high rating doesn't imply conservative when it matters. I'd look at ACU ratings with some suspicion - then look at the votes that really matter. TRAP, Obamacare etc.

34

I hope if Miller wins, Lisa M doesn't hinder him, I hope if Lisa M. wins Miller does not pull a Didier and not endorse her.

 

35 Romney is not Reagan. Reagan is not coming back. And even if he did, half of you would call him a RINO because of his ties to Hollywood and the Unions. I did like the linked speech by Romney, by the way. Not exactly rip-roaring, but no other politician on the scene today would have the courage to lay out the different paths available to the world in such frank terms.

36 Endorsing TARP doesn't really say much about someone's politics (as noted, people from all over the spectrum panicked in favor of it), but it says a lot about their understanding of economics. In my judgment TARP had about a 10% chance of success, and that ten percent was based on the possibility that all conservative economists, thinkers and theoreticians were wrong and had been wrong for 50 years.
Surprise, surprise, they weren't.

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 22, 2010 04:25 PM (IKf7L)

It might have helped if the Troubled Asset Relief Program had been used for relieving the financial system of troubled assets, rather than an all-purpose piggy bank for industrial policy.  The TARP money was supposed to buy bad mortgage-backed securities from banks, not buy the banks themselves.

37 @ beedbubya and dan

Are you fuckers on crack? Seriously. Are you smoking the bad shit out of a broken lightbulb under a bridge?

@ barbarian

What are you raving about?

Look. We're electing Republicans this year. Once they're the nominee, you're under no obligation to donate to their campaigns, but STFU.

Do we love Scott Brown? Not as much as we did when he was going to vote against Obamacare, but he's in Ted Kennedy's old seat. He's no Jim DeMint, and he's not as bad as Olympia Snowe yet. But voters in MA like him now, and they voted him in. Kirk beats the mob banker any day.

38 I wonder how much of Sarah Palin's opposition to Lisa Murkowski stems from the feud between Palin and Murkowski's father.  No love lost there.

39

I'm completely stupid when it comes to financial matters but the idea of TARP makes no sense to me. If a corporation with large holdings is overrun by corrupt assholes and it goes down the shitter, is it the responsibilty of government to rescue them?

Would that be equivalent to me intentionally bouncing checks and expecting the government to cover my overdraft fees?

I'll admit that I'm still pretty clueless on this.

40

"is it the responsibilty of government to rescue them?"

Under TARP no.  Under the financial "reform" bill, the Fed can and will recuse it, as it will be deemed "too big to fail", and even worse, the Fed no longer needs permission for another TARP, they can reshuffle anything without Congress's permission.

Essentially the financial "reform" bill made TARP a tool that no longer needs congressional and therefore the public's approval.

41 Ive seen DIABLO used before but am not sure of it's meaning. 

Democrat In All But ?????

Please enlighten.

42 OT:  How are the Democrats/liberals still a viable political force when they hold the whole country in complete contempt?  Just about every single one of them is so freaking smugly superior that they love the smell of their own farts.

43 it made TARP permanent, it wont be called "TARP", but the purpose is the same.

44 I'm glad you're highlighting Joe Miller, Ace.  Joe's a West Point classmate of mine and a good, solid guy.  I have absolutely no reservations about him and count him as a friend.  I think his candidacy is something like mine, though on a vastly different scale (I'm running for Florida State Rep district 36), in that we're both running within the Republican party but with tea party movement sensibilities.  I can tell you that the establishment doesn't like that very much.

45 ACU ratings are useless.

I disagree. They can't be used as a single point indicator but a trend of ratings below 80 is a very good indicator of RINOness.  They do list all the bills that they look at the votes on to get their ratings. What you have to look out for is vote trading to keep the score higher. For example you will note a lot of Politicians like Graham alternate years higher and lower. What they are doing is supporting liberal causes one year and not the next year while some other RINO supports them. They count the votes to make sure there are just enough to get by.

But in addition, there are some issues which are so important that support for a single one of them is all that is needed. I consider Crap and Tax one of those issues, as well as Obama Care. In addition, a statement that you believe in a "living Constitution" is another prime example.  Anytone who believes in a "living Constitution" believes in no Constitution and no limits on government power. 

This lady is a firm RINO.

46 "I don't think it would make a fucking bit of difference if we took back the senate.." So you don't understand the value of committee seats or the value of having someone who votes Repub 70% of the time vs. someone who votes Repub. 10% of the time?

47 DIABLO = Democrat In All But Label Only

I use a rating of 50 or below for that. The ME sisters fall in that category. 

48 Thanks.  I knew it was left of RINO, just hadn't figured out all the letters. 

49

Essentially the financial "reform" bill made TARP a tool that no longer needs congressional and therefore the public's approval.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at August 22, 2010 04:43 PM (ACkhT)

But if the Fed is a non-governmental entity, where do they get the money for all this?

50 >>>...but FUCK MARK KIRK in Illinois...I would prefer a fucking known-quantity Democrat over this venal and pandering POS What nonsense. Mark Kirk is a damn fine man. He's a vet for crying out loud. Venal POS? Bite your tongue. I cannot grasp people who will not step out of their own experience and attempt to grasp that Illinois is not Kansas.

51 "But if the Fed is a non-governmental entity, where do they get the money for all this?" Shhhhhh, stay quiet or the Paulians will hear you....

52 Anytone who believes in a "living Constitution" believes in no Constitution and no limits on government power.

You make that sound like a bad thing.

53
Remember the scene in the LONGEST YARd when BURT REYNOLDS told his line to let the GUARD through and BURT threw the football at his BALLS?

That's kinda how I feel about McCain. I want to lay down and let the Democrat in AZ win so we can throw the football right at McCain's & the GOP's balls to teach them a leeson.

54 Yeah she is a rino, I meant to correct. I was trying to be nice.

55 But if the Fed is a non-governmental entity, where do they get the money for all this?

Not all of the TARP money was spent. Some of it has also been repaid by banks like BOA who wanted to get the government out of their hair as much as possible.

Instead of it "going back in the treasury" to reduce the debt it has all gone into a slush fund that this adm uses to bribe for votes and other nefarious uses that were not approved by congress.

That is another direct violation of the Constitution. But, they haven;t followed the Constitution since they entered office.  To them it is a "living document" which means anything they desire. 

Also, the fed can simply "make money" and put it in the system. The fed itself is unconstitutional and in my opinion, they have caused most of the long term problems with the economy over the years. 

56

Thanks Ace, for highlighting the Joe Miller campaign.  I made a trip to Joe's Anchorage, AK campaign office last month and met with Joe's Research Director.

Joe's a solid choice - even the taxi drivers agreed!

 

57
That ANALOGY doesn't make sense but I think you get my POINT.

58 Yeah she is a rino, I meant to correct. I was trying to be nice.

LOL, ace you're just too soft-hearted.

59 as for Mark Kirk, sometimes we really do have to vote the best of  the options we are given , Republicans  must win this election , the lame  polticians in our minds... in states that it was unlikely to win, the pressure that we give to the Party, by voting in states that it is possible to stand conservative strong. We build the pressure  in states where we can, we send a signal to Our party while not allowing a Dem to sneak in and thwart our  need to stop the progressive  wave  (ace term).... if we give it to a Dem, well we just can't.

60 I too, was reluctantly for the first half of TARP. Because a republican administration was telling us that there was going to be a complete meltdown I was for it.  As time passed I feel more sure that they could have just said they were going to do it to calm everything down and not spend a dime.

Course then we got Tarp 2 and mini tarp, stimulus, omnibus, fan and fred bailouts, car bailouts, car subsidies, house subsidies, takeovers etc. etc.  Give the f'n dems and inch and they will take 1000 miles, which is why I agree with Miller on the healthcare line.  Don't give them an inch.

61 Do we love Scott Brown? Not as much as we did when he was going to vote against Obamacare, but he's in Ted Kennedy's old seat. He's no Jim DeMint, and he's not as bad as Olympia Snowe yet. But voters in MA like him now, and they voted him in. Kirk beats the mob banker any day.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 22, 2010 04:35 PM (mHQ7T)

I certainly agree on Brown, and I'll admit to not knowing enough about the IL race to comment in specifics.

But two things we have to consider are loyalty and brand.

We've seen a few left leaning Republicans jump ship - most notably Specter. How many resources did we waste getting him elected?

We've also see left leaning Republicans damage the brand. Every time a leftwing Republican goes on about global warming, abortion, taxes, etc, it gives the State Media an excuse to say everyone supports the leftwing position - even Republicans! It also lets them share the blame for bad proposals...

So, my argument in short would be that we do have to consider each RINO individually. I'd say Giuliani or Brown, for example, are good for the party. But we need to watch out for more Jumpin' Jims, Christy Todd Whitmans, etc...

62

Instead of it "going back in the treasury" to reduce the debt it has all gone into a slush fund that this adm uses to bribe for votes and other nefarious uses that were not approved by congress.

That's my only problem with the TARP. We don't know what would have happened if the top 6 banks would have all failed. Most people believe it wouldn't have stopped there but spread overseas and to smaller banks.

It was a shitty thing to have to do and could have been done better but it's done now.

63  re : 59#  " wave" was Ace term...not progressive,   apology to ace of spades.

64 It was a shitty thing to have to do and could have been done better but it's done now.

The problem is they advertised it for one purpose and said the money would be repaid and the government would make a "profit".

In short they lied. They used it in a manner that was not approved by Congress and when "repaid" it has never been returned to the treasury.

65
Funny thing about TARP: Barack Obama uses it to take credit for 'pulling the economy from the brink'...without ever referring to it.

The only time Obama talks about TARP (which he fully supported) is when he refers to the 'Republican's Wall Street Bailout.' He's a slick fuck, that one.

66 Anytone who believes in a "living Constitution" believes in no Constitution and no limits on government power. 

Posted by: Vic at August 22, 2010 04:46 PM (/jbAw)

Not only is it living, it's irrelevant.  You're welcome.

67 38 I wonder how much of Sarah Palin's opposition to Lisa Murkowski stems from the feud between Palin and Murkowski's father.  No love lost there.

Posted by: stuiec at August 22, 2010 04:37 PM (5UP6n)

The Palins are also longtime close friends of the Millers.  They hunt and snowmobile together.  So that may have played into it too.  Given Sarah's defense of Dr. Laura, who has absolutely trashed her in the past, I don't think she's driven by old grudges all that much.

68 44 Craig McCarthy- I don't live in FL, and I don't know the details of the race you're in, but anyone that reads AOS is cool with me, and especially those who have served our country in the military, and I wish you luck!

69 In short they lied. They used it in a manner that was not approved by Congress and when "repaid" it has never been returned to the treasury.

Posted by: Vic at August 22, 2010 05:14 PM (/jbAw)

I know that, TARP is also where the GM and Chrsyler bailout money came from which I am totally against and think was illegal. Like I said it could have been done better.

The last time though that we had our biggest banks fail it was called the great depression. When they failed it caused a run on all banks.

I don't know if it would have happened this time but I do know that it didn't happen this time. So there's that.

70

"But if the Fed is a non-governmental entity, where do they get the money for all this?"

Not anymore, if it was a "non-govt" entity why would the Fed Chairman need Government approval, Dr. Bernanke had to be Senate confirmed??

When Andrew Jackson was president, he dismantled a private bank (I forget what it was called) that was in collusion with the govt, so then the next time the proponents of central banks came to power, they put the word "Federal" in front of it to make it sound official.  At that time, the Tresury and Fed were not in collusion, there really couldn't be because the money supply in America was restricited as the American Dollar was still pegged to the Gold.

Once Nixon, got rid of that US Dollar pegged by Gold, there was nothing to stop the massive printing of dollars, it wasn't so bad  until now.

Now, the collusion is so open, and people have no clue, that the Federal Reserve became a govt entity for the private banks of America without explicit Congressional  or the public's approval.

If the Gold peg had still exists, the amount of money US has to spend would have been restricted, can't spend unless have the money, the debt would never have grown this massive.

See, they [Fed Reserve] don't "get" money from anywhere, they just print it up, it is made up and printed up like monopoly money. This is what is known as quanlititave easing aka monotozing the debt.   People who do the responsible thing and save, etc, they are screwed, b/c the value of the US dollars they have saved doesn't have the buying powere, this is why holders of US debt like China get mad, b/c their US dollar holding aren't worth as much if the Fed. Reserve keeps printing.

The stock market only went up because there was a huge sugar high of printed up money (America did not have this money), and now the let down is comning, its not a double dip, we never recovered from the first dip.

71
So, my argument in short would be that we do have to consider each RINO individually. I'd say Giuliani or Brown, for example, are good for the party. But we need to watch out for more Jumpin' Jims, Christy Todd Whitmans, etc...

This is an argument to get rid of Kirk AFTER he's served a term. Chris Christie in Jersey is arguably a RINO and every time he takes the hammer out on fiscal issues I need to change my panties.

Let's get as many of these fuckers elected as possible! If they suck ass, then primary them. But fretting over someone's RINOness and saying they're not pure enough....This is Chicagoland we're talking about.

72 Let's not forget that the only reason Lisa Murkowski is in the Senate in the first place is because her corrupt daddy governor gave her the seat.  It would be good for us to be finally rid of the stench of Murkowski corruption once and for all.

73

This is an argument to get rid of Kirk AFTER he's served a term. Chris Christie in Jersey is arguably a RINO and every time he takes the hammer out on fiscal issues I need to change my panties.

I appreciate your logic and ability to make your point in a clear way.

74 She voted for TARP? Then he gets my dollars. It is just that simple.

75 What nonsense. Mark Kirk is a damn fine man. He's a vet for crying out loud. Venal POS? Bite your tongue.

I cannot grasp people who will not step out of their own experience and attempt to grasp that Illinois is not Kansas.

Seriously now.  Kirk's "military exaggerations" amount to saying that the intelligence citation his unit won (mostly because of his work & effort) was something he won himself. 

That's it.  Out of a lifetime of service, that's it.  Oh, and that he Tweeted once or appeared on "Hardball" whilst nominally on-duty.  

And people are comparing the guy to a fucking MOB BANKER and saying he's somehow just as bad, as if these two things hold an equivalence.  REPUBLICANS are doing this.  Seriously.

76 Posted by: chemjeff at August 22, 2010 05:21 PM (Pm5H

That's an excellent point.  Even if they were the same on all the issues, Murkowski never did shit to earn her seat.

77

Newsbusters: "CNN Compares Ground Zero Mosque Protestors to Nazi Sympathizers"

What the hell is wrong with these lunatics!!!!!!! I am so pissed.

78

...but FUCK MARK KIRK in Illinois...I would prefer a fucking known-quantity Democrat over this venal and pandering POS

Posted by: beedubya at August 22, 2010 04:10 PM (Q3TFM)

Drunk again?

79
I appreciate your logic and ability to make your point in a clear way.

Well then you would've loved what I typed up, and then deleted, about what the thought of a republican winning Obama's seat does to me.

I didn't want to make this comment thread NSFW.

80 Here's my take on RINOs in blue states.

If we hold our nose and vote for the RINO, and he wins, then yeah, he's going to piss us off from time to time.  I would like to think that on the votes that really matter, he can be whipped into line to vote with the Coburns and the DeMints.  But on the votes that only kinda-sorta matter, sure, he will stray and vote with the D's, and then if he's an obnoxious SOB, he will go on TV and lecture us all on why his vote with the Democrats is principled and one that all the Republicans should adopt.  Yes, obnoxious, I get it.

But, if we stand on principle and refuse to vote for the RINO, and then the Democrat wins - it's a blue state, so the Democrat is free to be as flaming liberal as he goddamn pleases.  He can be to the left of Stalin if he wants.  And then, when the D's are in charge of the Senate, you have fucking moonbat libtards there.

So I'll vote for the RINO if only to avoid the Stalinist alternative.

81 79

Newsbusters: "CNN Compares Ground Zero Mosque Protestors to Nazi Sympathizers"

What the hell is wrong with these lunatics!!!!!!! I am so pissed.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at August 22, 2010 05:26 PM (ACkhT)

that's fine, I compare CNN to Al Jazeera

82 Newsbusters: "CNN Compares Ground Zero Mosque Protestors to Nazi Sympathizers"

That doesn't even make sense.  Comparing Ground Zero Mosque proponents to Nazi sympathizers is more appropriate.

83 And in the specific case of Kirk - his opponent is really is part of the mob!  Do you really want a real mobster in the Senate?

84 Murkowski is the lost Maine triplet.

85 I don't even know what is supposed to make Mark Kirk that awful. Incidentally, when Democrats voted against constituent wishes to enforce the national-party orthodoxy on Health Care, that was anti-democratic, right? Is Mark Kirk permitted to represent his contituents' wishes or does he have to vote national-party orthodoxy? Is it suddenly democratic if he were to thwart his constituents' will? illinois is not Kansas. A full-throated conservatism doesn't sell there -- it is not a product the public wants. They will accept a lighter version. it is absurd to insist that Republicans change reality. They cannot. They are bound to reality just as you are bound to the earth by gravity, and can do as little about that reality as you can float up the moon.

86

I have to ask this, because I didn't realise or believe there was liberal bias until I saw what happened in 2008.

Was it always this bad?  Because to me, this isn't bias, this is pure propoganda.

87 >>I did like the linked speech by Romney, by the way. Not exactly rip-roaring, but no other politician on the scene today would have the courage to lay out the different paths available to the world in such frank terms. Romney supported TARP as did any number of economists. And, surprise, surprise, TARP, the initially proposed TARP, has succeeded quite well at it's intended goal, preventing a complete collapse of the financial system which if you understand how it works, not just theoretical economics but how our system actually functions, was a virtual certainty. Ace is correct, though. Supporting TARP has become untenable politically because 1) few people seem to be able to make the distinction between the original TARP program and what Obama has done with it and subsequent programs like the stimulus or at least they make arguments as they were all of a piece 2) it's pretty hard to prove or disprove that "we would have been fine without it" and 3) lots of people don't seem to like admitting when they are wrong. Yea, you can make the case that we shouldn't have done TARP because Democrats would abuse it but that really is not stronger a case than saying we shouldn't have a President because electing an Obama would bring on all kinds of bad shit. We may not get the entire $205 billion that was actually lent to financial institutions ( about $137 billion has been repaid to date) but any shortfall is a fraction of the cost it would have cost had our financial system imploded.

88

I too, was reluctantly for the first half of TARP. Because a republican administration was telling us that there was going to be a complete meltdown I was for it.  As time passed I feel more sure that they could have just said they were going to do it to calm everything down and not spend a dime.

FYI, Paul Ryan -- this Congress' answer to Milton Friedman -- voted for TARP for this reason.  Basically, if we'd had a GOP president in 2009 and a GOP Congress, it would have been used as a safety net and paid back.

Course then we got Tarp 2 and mini tarp, stimulus, omnibus, fan and fred bailouts, car bailouts, car subsidies, house subsidies, takeovers etc. etc.  Give the f'n dems and inch and they will take 1000 miles, which is why I agree with Miller on the healthcare line.  Don't give them an inch.

That was the real problem -- what followed.  It's not clear that TARP really set a precedent.  Nothing was going to stop the Dems anyway.

Oh, and can I point out that it's the blogger that's putting the words "living constitution" into Murkowski's mouth.  Not an unfair characterization, though.

89 it is absurd to insist that Republicans change reality. They cannot. They are bound to reality just as you are bound to the earth by gravity, and can do as little about that reality as you can float up the moon.

Posted by: ace at August 22, 2010 05:30 PM (QbA6l)

but can you prove how gravity works?

90

Newsbusters: "CNN Compares Ground Zero Mosque Protestors to Nazi Sympathizers"

What the hell is wrong with these lunatics!!!!!!! I am so pissed.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at August 22, 2010 05:26 PM (ACkhT)

--The Demotards and their media toadies were already looking forward to an ass-kicking in November.  Now with this GZM issue they've cracked the shit crust even in some blue territories.

91

Was it always this bad?  Because to me, this isn't bias, this is pure propoganda.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at August 22, 2010 05:30 PM (ACkhT)

Yeah, you just put on the correct prescription glasses.  Although, I think  it's gotten worse since Bush took office.

92 but can you prove how gravity works?

Apples, my man.  It's all about the apples.

93

73 Let's not forget that the only reason Lisa Murkowski is in the Senate in the first place is because her corrupt daddy governor gave her the seat.  It would be good for us to be finally rid of the stench of Murkowski corruption once and for all.

Good point.  Incumbents tend to be powerful in part because people voted for them before.

Supporting Miller is a no-brainer.  The worst possible outcome is that he forces Murkowski into more conservative stances for the future.

94

I have to ask this, because I didn't realise or believe there was liberal bias until I saw what happened in 2008.

Was it always this bad?  Because to me, this isn't bias, this is pure propoganda.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at August 22, 2010 05:30 PM (ACkhT)

Oh, yes.  Just ask Uncle Cronkite.  He was in the thick of it.  Talk about an extremist.

95 lol - on Lisa Murkowski's Wikipedia page, about her 2004 election - no, there's no bias there at all!

Near the end of the general campaign, senior senator Ted Stevens shot campaign ads for Murkowski and warned the public that if a Democrat replaced Murkowski they were likely to receive fewer federal dollars. She may have also been helped by George W. Bush carrying the state in a landslide over John Kerry.

96 >>>but can you prove how gravity works? it's all ball bearings these days.

97

Posted by: Tami at August 22, 2010 05:34 PM (VuLos)

They are outright lying by deliebrately omitting pieces of information.  I mean, do they not realise, even if independents like me don't watch Fox News, we can go on the Internet and get the whole truth, find out I was lied to, and then get pissed that I was deliberately mislead by that lying MSM.

This is part I don't understand.  Do these MSM not realise that people, people like me, who used to believe them can check them on the Internet and their credibility is shot, its gone. Do they not even realise this, or do they not care. I can't figure it out. 

Perhaps they just don't know, but then I think they possibley cannot be that stupid, of course they call me stupid to know that DeathCare was "good for America".

I don't get it, I really don't. Heck my socially liberal in laws are still fuming over the Ground Zero Victory mosque and then get even more mad when they are called racists for opposing it.

98 THIS is the time to fight for the conservative. THIS is the place. Not Washington state. AFTER the primary. When the alternative is Patty Murray. Got it you fucking Didiertards? NOT Illinois. AFTER the primary. When the alternative is Ali G & the Mob Bank Kids. NOT California. AFTER the primary. When the alternative is SIX MORE YEARS OF MA'AM Follow the formula. Fight the good fight. Donate to Miller. Keep donating to the GOP candidates who have won their primaries.

99 oh, and in 2004, in a generally good year for Republicans, Murkowski didn't even get a majority of votes, and only won by 3 points over the D, 48-45

so yeah I'm wondering why support Murkowski here, she doesn't even seem to be all that popular in Alaska

100 So John, are you going to completely rethink your perception of Clinton's presidency, now?

101

 Didiertards?

I'm stealing that.

102 John, they live in a bubble.  Everyone they know...everyone they work with thinks the same way they do and they truly believe everyone else is a stupid rube.  It's worked well for them up until recently.  Look who this country elected in 2008.  Most people can't be bothered or don't care until it hits them personally.

103

Was it always this bad? Because to me, this isn't bias, this is pure propoganda.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at August 22, 2010 05:30 PM (ACkhT)

Good question. I don't think it was quite so bitter or quite so assumed to be natural. With Reagan, the libs hated him, but knew they were in the minority. That their incessant attacks on Bush worked so well was a bad sign and emboldened them.

For an example, look a the "Land of Confusion" video by Genesis.

104 I've seen a ton of Murkowski ads on the conservative 'sphere.  Now that I know it's not RvD but RvR advertising, I say let her wilt.

105 79

Newsbusters: "CNN Compares Ground Zero Mosque Protestors to Nazi Sympathizers"

What the hell is wrong with these lunatics!!!!!!! I am so pissed.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at August 22, 2010 05:26 PM (ACkhT)

John anything for a political win, and fooling blue collar workers. This has been the norm  for a decade (that i know of)

wondering if you evaluate  what you've heard from your party in last how-ever long... did you views change now that hillary (Clinton loss) lost? see everything, or just Hillary loss as a slight?

just curious i don't want to fight. I'm asking even my lifelong husand union Dem, and Union Dem kid?

106 John, I think the media bias has gotten a lot worse lately as the political dialogue has become more and more nationalized.  So the reporters move to the broadcast headquarters in these liberal island bubbles (NYC, DC) and get farther and farther detached from the real people to whom they are "reporting".  I have no doubt that the reporter who compared the mosque protestors to Father Coughlin a Democrat (!) and bonafide American Nazi in the 30's, thinks that he/she is being completely unbiased by thinking "well, Democrats can be intolerant too!" But the reporter isn't going to question the basic assumption that the mosque protests are based on intolerance, because that is what everyone in the liberal island bubble world is saying.

107

Posted by: Editor at August 22, 2010 05:42 PM (YX6i/)

Well, I voted for Clinton both times, I defended him always by saying he created 20 million jobs, but now I'm thinking Newt and the repub congress had a lot of do with it, and also that the Internet was comning along during that time.

And I will freely admit, I didn't realise Bush inherit a recession as the dot com bubble was bursting, and frankly, I don't remember Bush complaining all that much, and yes, I voted for Gore (*shuddering*)

But now that I understand economics more, I consider myself a constitutional conservative in pretty much every aspect, but I am not a social conservative, frankly, I really don't care about social issues that much, I just don't want that to be the main thrust of issues.

I don't know, I always considered myself a JFK democrat, and now that party is gone. Its become this radical party of lunatics who bash America, don't have any understanding of economics, I don't know... the party I knew and was part is gone.  I think many conservative/moderate/centerist dems feel this way. 

And the MSM's liberal propoganda, makes me think what else have they lied to me about.

108 I always knew no one ever paid attention to what I've said. Count me in with you, spongeworthy and jackstraw.

109 I too am a late convert to anti-TARP. Mind you, while I think the US government should have let the banks fail, letting them fail without unleashing complete mayhem would probably have required blowing a big wad of public money to grease the wheels, so it's not the big appropriation in itself that was wrong. (This is why, sad to say, Mitch "just let them fail" McConnell is a lying, bloated tick.) The original plan for the TARP money wasn't as good as that, but as stuiec said, it wasn't nearly as revolting as what actually ended up happening to the cash. (Though there probably wasn't any realistic chance that the original plan could have been executed quickly.) Sadly, the reason that, I believe, TARP didn't really work - now that the credit bubble has burst, the private sector's total debt is heading down to a sustainable percentage of GDP no matter what, and total private sector debt is about four times the size of the public debt - also means that both demand-side and supply-side (TAX CUTS) deficit spending aren't going to work either. That means that the next several years are going to suck economically, and as soon as the Republicans get back into power they're going to start being blamed for it too. What happens after both parties are seen to have failed to fix the economy is an interesting question.

110 #109 Yes yes yes a zillion times yes. I don't particularly think Sharron Angle is all there. Not as batshit insane as Paul, but a bit of a loon. She will, however, make a fine, fine Senator. And I want her to beat Reid. I want her to crush him. Smoosh him. Chop, dice, and frappe him. Then set what is left on fire. Then set the ashes on fire again. then make a concrete brick out of THOSE ashes. Then smash that. Then set fire to it again. Then vaporize it. Then set fire to that gas. Then nuke the surrounding atmosphere. Then package whatever neutrons and electrons and protons are left into a particle accelerator and smash that down to quarks. Then dump them into a black hole. Then detonate the black hole. Then implode that into a 15th dimension where it can do no harm. Then call into question the very ability of that dimension to exist, causing its wipe itself out of said existence. Then I will sleep soundly. Oh and I want Fiorina, Rossi, that guy in Oregon, that guy in N Dakota, Boozeman, Buck, Johnson, Kirk, Coats, Portman, Paul, Vitter, Burr, Rubio, Toomey, Castle, McMahon, and whoever wins New York to all do the same.

111
I suggest that instead of contributing money for a more conservative GOP senator from Alaska we should contribute to congressional races that are close.

I'd give both my right tits to see Toomey beat Sestak.

And Lou Barletta (he really needs the $$$) beating Squawk Box Paul Kanjorski. And then there's another clown named Chris Carney who needs to booted.

Murkowski may be squishy but if you have the majority you own the legislative world.

That's just the way I see it. Any fellow morons see something wrong with me?

112 University of Alaska, Anchorage doesn't confer masters degrees in economics.  University of Alaska, Fairbanks does.  It's a better school anyway.

I only know that because I am in Anchorage.

And Miller doesn't stand a chance, sorry.  I would be flabbergasted if he won.

113 If you are an Illinoisan, and you do NOT vote for Kirk, you LOVE the feeling of warm, warm, socialist semen in your stomach. Because not voting for him is a vote for Ali G. A vote for Ali G is a vote for Obama. A vote for Obama gets socialists excited and their supporters just waitin' for the money shot. Enjoy that warm, warm, Democratic manbatter, you fucking traitors. YOU HAVE NO EXCUSE TO HIDE BEHIND REGARDLESS WHAT BULLSHIT PURITANICAL/IDEOLOGICAL DELUSIONS YOU HIDE BEHIND.

114

Posted by: willow at August 22, 2010 05:49 PM (WqzOq)

Willow -- I still have respect for Hillary, she was treated like chit from the DNC and dems, and it was not the conservatives who did it to her, it was her own party. It was at time I realised there is a bias, and then when I saw the crap at Sarah Palin, and these same people who went after Hillary now turn around and do even worse to Palin, well, it was much easier to see.

To be honest, I supported Universal Health Care, without actually knowing what it means, sadly, even though I run a small biz, I fell for the Utopia that does not exist.  Some of my co-workers are union, and they no longer trust the dems, they feel like its a bunch of "conscdending pricks" lecturing to them, and these are blue collar dems. Hillary dems. Conservative/moderate dems.

I think if Hillary had won, the path to progrssivism would not have been altered, it just would have been slowed. And there would not have been this awakening that is happening now

115 I am all in favor of Miller in Alaska. They only way a Republican can lose Alaska is if they get indicted due to misconduct by the United States Attorney office.

Or if they are a squishy RINO turd and third-party candidates pull away support from the R.  That is why Murkowski couldn't even win 50% of the vote in 2004, in a good year for Republicans nationwide.

116 Polynikes- Don't forget Monty, the guy who does all those fine economic posts on this very blog after adamantly opposing it initially. If I remember correctly, he changed his mind after speaking with a buddy of his in the financial industry who assured him that without a government intervention our economy would have fallen and not been able to get up. Economic and political theory are fine in the abstract. Unfortunately, we don't live in the abstract and sometimes you have to deal with the real world we live in.

117

ok.... just convinced wife to donate to Joe Miller, she said if he loses and pulls another Didier (who she donated to), I have to sleep on the couch.

Hope Miller wins.

118

Ace, I follow what you're saying about Illinois not being Kansas.  However, there are some things to consider.

First, Illinois isn't Kansas, but it isn't all Chicago either. It's easy to get a misleading view of a state if you don't see the full picture.  An example of this is gun control.  In the 2000 election, most analysts assumed that GOP-leaning states would vote enthusiastically for progun candidates, and Dem-leading states would vote enthusiastically for antigun candidates.  In post-election polling, they found out that only the former statement was true.  Actually, Republicans were enthusiastic supporters of the 2nd Amendment, but Democrats were not enthusiastically against it, and many were supporters of it.  (I could have told them that for free.  I've seen many blue-collar Democrats, but never any blue-collar gun control freaks).

Second, even when some portion of the electorate is to the left of the GOP overall, Hayek's rule still holds:  that the free market (in this case, the free market of political ideas) is better at finding what people want than experts.  I think we can all agree that David Frum is no better at determining what's good for the GOP in Illinois than in Kansas.

Third, there's this nasty tendency of the GOP establishment, once they've gotten the RINO's in, to cater completely to them at election time.  Example:  in 2000, the GOP completely abandoned the campaign of Rod Grams, a very conservative Senator from Minnesota, and spent huge amounts of cast to get Jim Jeffords reelected in Vermont.  Result:  Grams lost by less than a point, and Jeffords switched parties a half a year later.  As long as you have the national party directed by people like John Cornyn, a vote for a Rino is often a quarter of a vote against conservatives in swing states in the next election, since the Cornyns will cut off the conservatives' funds to get New Republicans™ elected.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that while you should vote for a RINO--in most cases--against a Democrat, that doesn't mean you shouldn't vote consistently against them in primaries.

119 That's just the way I see it. Any fellow morons see something wrong with me?

Posted by: Ed Anger at August 22, 2010 05:53 PM (7+pP9)

whichever one can win the general the easiest is all I care about now.

If you stay home and don't vote for the republican that wins the primary you probably don't deserve the right to vote anyways.

120

I did like the linked speech by Romney, by the way. Not exactly rip-roaring, but no other politician on the scene today would have the courage to lay out the different paths available to the world in such frank terms.

Courage = Mitt Romney?  You're joking, right?

121

I know Kirk voted for cap n tax, but he did vote against DeathCare.

And frankly he's running against a mobster, essntially.  Wish there were better choices, but Kirk has to win, he's the better of the 2.

122 I gave twice as much to Rossi as I normally would have because of man-child Didier's non-action.

123 yes but people did vote against Kirk in the primaries and he not only won, it wasn't close. So now what? Are we going to keep talking endlessly about how nice it would have been to have an archconservative candidate? Well, we don't, and so this is talking about hypotheticals and fantasy. Kirk won. He's probably the most conservative candidate capable of winning at all. He demolished his primary opponents. That's how we do it. We see who can win. Kirk could, his opponents couldn't. We can't have an endless coulda-shoulda-woulda session. this shit is not hypothetical and it's not just theory. Barack Obama is not a theory we are seeking to undermine. HE is a fact, the President of the United States. We cannot treat this shit as if it is all drawing-room debate.

124 I want Sharron Angle and Sarah Palin to campaign together for the next sixty days up and down the length of Nevada, just to rub it in Harry Reid's scrawny, Hitlerite face. Then, after Angle is elected Senator, I want her and newly minted Senator Rand Paul to take turns reading Francisco D'anconia's "Speech on Money" into to the record as their maiden fucking speeches. THAT will teach the fucking Maine Sisters what the fuck is what WHAT!!!

125 "Yea, you can make the case that we shouldn't have done TARP because Democrats would abuse it but that really is not stronger a case than saying we shouldn't have a President because electing an Obama would bring on all kinds of bad shit." OK.

126 Lisa would have trouble standing in line for a movie, much less standing on principle.

127 I gave twice as much to Rossi as I normally would have because of man-child Didier's non-action.

Posted by: Editor at August 22, 2010 06:02 PM (YX6i/)

I donated yesterday too. I hope he starts putting some edge on his commercials though and starts whacking tennis shoes.

He's running the same frigging ad he did during his governors race about working as a janitor in college. We need to take it to tennis shoes. The dems will be accusing Rossi of raping babies before this thing is done.

128 That's just the way I see it. Any fellow morons see something wrong with me?

Posted by: Ed Anger at August 22, 2010 05:53 PM (7+pP9)

Yes. You are confused.

129 #137 OMGZ I came here for you! (c wut i didiered there?)

130

(does anyone here think Alan Keyes is a RINO). He got trounced.

I don't think he's a RINO, I think he is fucking insane, I put him on the same plain as Al Green.

131 130 I gave twice as much to Rossi as I normally would have because of man-child Didier's non-action.

Me too brother/sister. I donate about 10 hrs a week to Rossi's campaign as well. I wonder how many conservative $$ were wasted on Didiertard?(<----lol)

132 But Bill Brady will win statewide. Go figure.

133 Didiertard would have had an EXCELLENT shot in 2012 against Cantwell, especially if he used his clout and his frightfully loyal followers to GOTV for Rossi. He turned around and blew his own face off. Turned out it was RONPAULREVOLUTION111ELEVENTY! in disguise...

134

Willow -- I still have respect for Hillary, she was treated like chit from the DNC and dems, and it was not the conservatives who did it to her, it was her own party. It was at time I realised there is a bias, and then when I saw the crap at Sarah Palin,

She WAS treated abominably i agree, Palin also. Hell any woman i saw that was a HiIllary supporter or a Republican woman were torn to shreds, called everything nasty, even things i'd never hearrd before.. That Hurt!  BUT The  Palin baby  and kid bashing was my moment of zen (when i started shieiking at my spouse) and said fk them forever and some..

135

BTW, I have met Sharron Angle personally, and not just in the sense of shaking hands at a major event.  I worked with her on the 2004 Bush reelection campaign.

She is not the loon the media is portraying.  She is very conservative, yes, but she does not fit the American Gothic stereotype.  She is more religious than I am, but she doesn't come across as being judgmental, nor does she talk about the HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA as her opening gambit or, when I talked to her, at all.  Mostly she talked about economic issues.

Also, she didn't come across as hateful toward less conservative Republicans, although she did state clearly where she differed from them.

All in all, she was a very pleasant person.  I wouldn't recommend inviting her to a moron convention with busty lesbian porn, but she is not the freak the leftists are making her out to be.

136 Then again, I'm wondering what knocked her score down. Is she a porker like the late Uncle Ted? I'm guessing that's standard for Alaska.

She's pro-abortion and pro-baby-stem-cells, for one.

137 #142 Because Pat Quinn is a HORRIBLE incumbant. It is easier to beat a known quanitity. Harder, despite all logic and reason, to defeat an equally horrible non-incumbant. Quinn and Kirk would be wise to tour together.It will help the other downstate congressional candidates.

138 whoops...

139 Does anyone read soundpolitics.com?  Someone left this comment.  Is it really Kathryn Serkes?  Don't know, but it has accurate email linked.

So is Dino saying, 'F**k you' to those people [who supported Didier]? 'F**k you, I don't need your votes? I can win with 33 percent.'
Posted by: Kathryn Serkes - Didier's spokeswoman on August 20, 2010 06:43 PM

140

Posted by: willow at August 22, 2010 06:12 PM (WqzOq)

Thank you for that. My wife is a pro-choice independent who is pretty conservative in every other sense.  She was in tears at what was said at Hillary and then to Sarah Palin. It was beyond politics, it was beyond human in many examples.  She called NOW many times to ask them to come out against this vile nonsense.     It was then that my wife cancelled her NOW donations as well as every other "women"'s group organization, she realised as I did, that women's organization like NOW are only interested in advancing liberal women, not defending any woman.

She went to campaign for McPalin, and was pretty stunned to find out what you just said.  And she is still a huge supporter of Sarah Palin, the DNC should be very worried when lifelong women like my wife are beyond disgusted at the "democratic" party. They are losing and fast the women vote.

141   105 John, they live in a bubble.  Everyone they know...everyone they work with thinks the same way they do and they truly believe everyone else is a stupid rube.  It's worked well for them up until recently.  Look who this country elected in 2008.  Most people can't be bothered or don't care until it hits them personally.

Posted by: Tami at August 22, 2010 05:44 PM (VuLos)

Tami, that's the truthiest truthyness i've heard REAL. that's exactly how it is.

Republicans need to say to blue collar taxpayers, white collar taxpayers, Corporations ... any color, sex or religion :" hey, we heard the bull that's  been thrown at ya for decades.. You were played, we won't bend to womens issues, minority status issues, we bend To EVERY< FKN  american rights issues." Taxed fairly. You be a honorable citizen . We WILL NOT burden you with laws. Left alone by gvt., you  succeed, America succeeeds .. quit allowing Dems to Say THEY are the ones that ALLOW you rights to exist!"

142

"Republicans need to say to blue collar taxpayers, white collar taxpayers, Corporations ... any color, sex or religion :" hey, we heard the bull that's  been thrown at ya for decades.. You were played, "

I wish they would, that's how I feel, that I have been played. "You have been played", heck just make this a campaign slogan.

143 jeze i'm cussing again. sigh, sorry. not usual for me, but i'm mad as hell and in woman speak , to the political jerks ... quit playing americans!

144 willow, that's okay, we won't hold it against you.  I think swearing is permitted at AoSHQ.

145

Was it always this bad? Because to me, this isn't bias, this is pure propaganda. Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem

Hey, don't know if you're still reading but I'd recommend Bernard Goldberg's Bias: A CBS Insider Exposes How the Media Distort the News. He was in the thick of it at CBS and lays out the mindset of the journalists in the 80's and 90's. BTW, he's still somewhat a Democrat. 

From what little I've read about the topic, news reporting jumped into the toilet after Bernstein and Woodward.

It's after this point that 'reporting' ended and 'journalism' began. Journalism being a euphemism for anti-US agitation from inside the media and the modern monster we loathe today.

146 Mallamutt, I hate to say this, but when Quinn speaks do you get the impression that he's slightly retarded? Like he's the Dem's special needs candidate to fill out their checklist.

147 150 Does anyone read soundpolitics.com?  Someone left this comment.  Is it really Kathryn Serkes?  Don't know, but it has accurate email linked.

I do and it sounds par for that course. I was at the last TP protest in Everett this April. I was accosted by a small group of Paultards that were shoving pocket constitutions in my face. Do you know the constitution? Do you know what the Bill of Rights is all about? Fuck me. I got the hell outa there PDQ.

148 Then again, I'm wondering what knocked her score down. Is she a porker like the late Uncle Ted? I'm guessing that's standard for Alaska.

You can look at the 25 bills they used to score her and the others with for last year at the ACU site. She voted for a number of liberal tax and spend initiatives besides the typical abortion stuff. The ACU is not a single issue organization. 

149 Woah! Thanks Ace for highlighting this race. I have been following it and supporting Miller for several months. He is the real deal not just stellar on paper but a leader who will fight for the conservative cause. Murkowski is a statist, termed a center right Democrat by HuffPo! Most people do not know the truth of her record because she has been a wallflower in the Senate. She does not have one legislative achievement (into law) after 8 years. She has voted 300 times with the Democrats. She has co sponsored a Cap and Trade Bill and she looks to government in general as the solver of problems rather than being the problem. She believes the Constitution is a living and breathing document and is prochoice. Alaska can do better and we all know that 1 vote can & does make a difference. Had Begich not gotten into office under the Stevens indictment (w 3500 vote margin) we we would not be looking at repealing Obamacare. Which BTW, Lisa did NOT come out strongly for --only after the pressure of Miller's campaign. (in late July)

So please Support the Miller campaign. This is one we can win. joemiller.us for donations and to phonebank (907) 929-9563. Thanks

150 O yeah and she voted for the Charlie Rangel Center.

http://lisamurkowskiexposed.ning.com/

151

You can say what you want about ACU ratings, and they are very misleading in measuring how conservative someone is (Graham is a great example), but that being said a lifetime ACU rating only eclipsing those of Snow, Collins, and Voinovich is pretty irrefutable evidence you're a RINO (a RINO can achieve a high ACU rating, but a true conservative is never going to have a rating in the 70's or lower).

The fact that Murkowski represents a state that over the past five presidential elections has only voted less Republican on average than four other states (Wyoming, Nebraska, Idaho, and Utah) is pathetic. Not as pathetic as states like North Dakota, South Dakota, and Nebraska being represented by 'rats, but pathetic nonetheless.

152 158

Was it always this bad? Because to me, this isn't bias, this is pure propaganda. Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem

I didn't think anything was up as late as 2003  Iraq war, which 70+ of the population  and Dems were also FOR than ...was  I was convinced something was seriously wrong  during .. bush vs.   kerry election. Yeah I feel like a sucker.

153

Holy cow, Ace was for TARP?  How'd I miss that?

When TARP was being proposed, it seemed obvious that the choice was between amputation and gangrene. 

We opted for the systemic poison.

154 And we lost a lot of respect for her, when she conceded to Obama, when she joined his cabinet, had to give up jher donor list. he still stripped her of all negotiating authority, nput Hillary hater Power in charge of planning.and Israel bashing, in that order. McCrystal did vouch for her, and now he's gone,

155 I'll vote for Joe Miller, if I can have a copy of his joke book.

156 That's the sort of score I'd forgive in a Scott Brown, holding a tenuous seat in deep-blue Massachusetts.

Dude is getting more weekend passes than an Enron exec.

157

But as someone from Illinois, please friggin spare me your support for a corrupt, Chicago machine Democrat just because Mark Kirk does not meet your 100% purity bullshit.

I have had enough so-called conservatives walking away from an Illinois Republican candidate because he/she was not conservative enough. Who the hell do you think the Democrats are nominating in this state --- Tom Coburn.

For all the Mark Kirk bashers here, get over it. Kirk won the primary, fair/square. And it wasn't even close.

Posted by: Mallamutt at August 22, 2010 05:53 PM (OWjjx)

The fact you are from IL makes your comments all the worse

I'll say it again...FUCK MARK KIRK...he's got a fucking 48 score from the American Conservative Union with his lower scores coming from fiscal and economic votes

Why the fuck should we get excited because he's got a fucking R after his name. put your energies elsewhere and write this fucking piece of shit off.

At least with Giannaoulis, we get get his ass tossed out after a couple of years after he's looked into. We'd be stuck with that fucking Kirk for a whole term.

158 I went to high school with Joe's wife. My claim to tangential almost-fame.

159 As for Murkowski, despite the fact that Lisa was token Senator, Sarah was willing to tend bridges, even donated to her primary, then subsequently she backstabs her on the death panels, and on the general odiousness of Obamacare

160

I think we need to put just as much money and energy into the state races as the national ones. Even if we do win both houses, we still won't be able to do shit.

We need to make sure we get as many conservatives elected in the states because  the only way we are going to be effective is through the courts..especially with healthcare, immigration and crap and tax.

We need strong governors and attorneys general.

161 @175.   Amen.  All races are national this year.  I've been preaching it.

162 Um, Ace, there is no U. of Anchorage. There is University of Alaska Anchorage (UAA), which is what you probably meant.

I know folks in the Lower 48 don't understand AK, but it's an easy thing to check.

163  Is she a porker like the late Uncle Ted? I'm guessing that's standard for Alaska.

Still pissed off at how Ted was screwed over though, pork or no pork.

Porker? Really?

This is what folks don't get. Alaska doesn't get lots of federal dollars for anything. We have no interstate system, no federalized rail system, not much in the way of research facilities, not much in the way of anything that other states routinely collect federal dollars for. Most kids end up out of state for education because even the Universities don't have many majors to choose from.

What Alaska DOES have is lots of land that is locked up as federal and/or military land, "protected" from Alaskans using it to make a living and develop infrastructure like the Lower 48, so AK gets generally screwed. Uncle Ted just leveled the playing field.

164 Lisa "who's your daddy " Murkowski  is just a Mark Begich in a skirt! I'll vote Miller on Tues.

165 Excellent post, Ace. I hope other conservative bloggers pick up on this message - like, five minutes ago. There is no time to waste in creating some Joe-mentum. The primary election is in about 36 hours!

PLEASE, everyone: Let's tweet this article, forward it to anyone we know in Alaska, forward it to other conservative bloggers, email it to talk radio show hosts, etc.

If this "Go Joe!" movement doesn't get some serious buzz by Monday evening, I fear Murkowski will win.

For my part, I've been posting a bit on Alaska Craigslist boards, as well as using Twitter and doing some emailing.

Remember: A primary election in Alaska may have a voter turnout of less than 100,000. That means, quite simply, EVERY VOTE COUNTS. And it's much easier to change the minds of a few hundred or a few thousand people in a race like this than it would be to alter the course of a primary election in a populous state like California or Texas.

If Joe Miller wins this primary, we replace a RINO with a solid conservative in the US Senate. That's almost as good as replacing a moderate Dem with a moderate Republican - maybe better. So this is kind of a big deal.

Thanks in advance for everyone's efforts. I'm looking forward to some good news late Tuesday night!

166 Over at conservativesforpalin.com, they keep referring to Ace as "the socially moderate Ace of Spades"

Is that like, a code phrase for "rode the short bus" or something?  I mean, what is a "socially moderate" person, anyway?  For that matter, what's a socially immoderate person?

Someone should get a huge-ass federal grant to study this very carefully.

167 Joe signs on the river side and next to the road out in Funny River. I had one hell of a time getting them. Joe has been noticibly absent down on the peninsula. The local paper had a poll and he thumped Lisa convincingly.

168 The only people who argue that the constitution is a "living" document are people who want to do things that are unconstitutional.

The very notion of a living document is a logical fallacy.  It is a piece of paper with words on it, words that have specific meanings.  Pretending that it somehow means different things at different times, or that it can somehow change as a living creature would, is nothing less than a lie.  But then people who want to do bad things have a tendency to lie. 

169 Unfortunately for Miller, I don't think he has a chance.  He came out too late and his advertisements have been completely based on the fact that the Tea Party supports him as though that is his only qualification.  Due to his lack of ads on what he really feels, I can't vote for him as much as I would love to.  My vote is going to Murkowski.  After we got screwed out of our dear Ted Stevens, we need to have a conservative with some seniority. 

170 I look forward to pulling the lever for Miller tomorrow. Along with my wife and daughters. Fuck Murkowski.

171 My husband and I are voting for Joe Miller tomorrow.  He is exceptionally qualified for the job, and a man of his word.  We worked on Lisa's campaign 6 years ago, and have been disappointed with her performance in the Senate ever since.  I really think Joe Miller can win this one!

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