April 19, 2010
— Ace And he says teabaggers twice. No mistake.
I think this is the Democrats' real Waterloo. They are going insane as they watch their precious power about to be taken from them -- possibly, for several generations to come.
They are the ones, in fact, whose "rational abilities" have become "compromised," as they lash out with infantile venom at the voters.
This is a meltdown, and I just get angrier and angrier -- and more and more optimistic -- as they vent seething hatred and vile condescension at the voters who will decide their political fates in just five months and a couple of weeks.
Joe ("Who?") Klein just decided that dissent was no longer the highest form of patriotism, but instead "borderline sedition," and it was no ill-considered slip of the tongue; he's said it before at least twice.
I had been mulling an essay on that all day, which I'll write later, but I suppose I have to put it up now rather than waiting for the essay.
I will just say that liberals will not be able to sell the "dissent is the highest form of patriotism" line when they are the opposition party, frozen out from all branches of government, in January 2013. I personally intend to accuse them of sedition and a lack of patriotism on a daily basis, and when they whine (as they always do) I will cite back to them the expansive definitions of "sedition" and "treason" they employed from January 2009 to January 2013.
Is it sedition to strenuously argue against a party in power? Well, good to know, considering that Republicans/conservatives/Tea Partiers are poised to sweep Congress (both houses, possibly) in January 2011.
Are you sure you can't criticize the party in power, Joe? Are you certain of that? I hope you are, because you are then destined to become an enemy of the state in five months and two weeks.
It's good to know that Joe Klein will set aside his own hateful rhetoric at that time. On penalty of jailing should he refuse to do so.
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Posted by: stuiec at April 19, 2010 04:25 PM (7AOgy)
Posted by: Penfold at April 19, 2010 04:26 PM (EdMSl)
It's pretty much desperation time for Conyers and Klein and their ilk, when Pew Research finds that 80 percent of Americans reject Mama Government's teat as the source of all goodness in their lives.
Posted by: stuiec at April 19, 2010 04:26 PM (7AOgy)
Oh wait, I can't say "boy", can I.
Ah well.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at April 19, 2010 04:27 PM (iC1rO)
Waterloo? Serious misunderestimation of the anti-Democrat feeling, for sure.
Maybe. Like I said last week, for every person who attends a Tea Party rally, there are 200 people who wish they there.
Posted by: Dynomutt After Dark at April 19, 2010 04:29 PM (Uf4aV)
Posted by: xcvxcv at April 19, 2010 04:30 PM (Tfuib)
Better than leftard "douchebaggers".
Hey! Tea Baggers vs. Douchebaggers. You read it here first, morons.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 19, 2010 04:30 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: dudeinsantacruz at April 19, 2010 04:31 PM (NA7sd)
oh, and...something's been on my mind for a while...
Yeah now
Ace-ee what you wanna do?
I think I could stay with you
For a while, maybe longer if I do
Fallin' in and out of love with you
Fallin' in and out of love with you
Don't know what I'm gonna do, I'd keep
Fallin' in and out of love
With you
Posted by: Dynomutt After Dark at April 19, 2010 04:32 PM (Uf4aV)
remember when we thought the same thing back in 2004?
Posted by: Jones at April 19, 2010 04:32 PM (JL3qV)
ace, did you know that according to Kathleen Parker (yeah, I know) you, amongst others, might just be an internet terrorist?
We'll say we knew you when!
Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 19, 2010 04:32 PM (ksxOw)
Posted by: Beto at April 19, 2010 04:33 PM (H+LJc)
Posted by: jjshaka at April 19, 2010 04:33 PM (glrCe)
Posted by: wherestherum at April 19, 2010 04:34 PM (gofDd)
Ace, you underestimate the total lack of logic or reason that the left's fevered minds operate with. Nothing will stop the left from turning around 180 degrees and denying that they ever turned. After all, these are the same people who were giving awards to Bush assassination movies, have violence as part of every single issue they are associated with, and have mouths like sewers ... who, all of a sudden, think that they have anything to say about reasonable discourse. It was just back in the Town Halls that they were screaming all sorts of slurs, from the halls of power and the White House, itself.
Nothing stops the left from making any argument that they think helps them. Certainly not logic, reason, or history. The left are the America-hating traitors who accuse those who want the Constitution followed of sedition. You can't engage in reasoned debate with these people - these animals of projection. Reason is not part of their personalities or world views.
Cognitive dissonance. It's where the left lives.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at April 19, 2010 04:34 PM (N49h9)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 19, 2010 04:35 PM (UOM48)
This guy's hag is doing a stint in Federal Prison and one of the areas he represents is murder, blight and welfare capitol of the U.S.A. Detroit and he wants to preach to somebody about "rational sensibilities" ?
Gimme a f'ckin' break.
Posted by: Blazer at April 19, 2010 04:35 PM (t72+4)
Posted by: DMXRoid at April 19, 2010 04:35 PM (vd872)
The teabagger is, after all, the one in the dominant position.
Posted by: The War Between the Seditious States at April 19, 2010 04:35 PM (iC1rO)
I would estimate it is closer to the two thousand people range
Posted by: Beto at April 19, 2010 04:36 PM (H+LJc)
Posted by: Batznratz at April 19, 2010 04:36 PM (nonnt)
Isn't it strange that just about all the blacks in Congress seem to have less mental capacity than your average planaria?
Then, they start hearing mysterious racist voices, so they are also somewhat psychotic.
The fact that more than half of them are criminals is just the cherry on the cake.
Scum.
Posted by: TexasJew at April 19, 2010 04:37 PM (+g+m6)
Posted by: John Rambo at April 19, 2010 04:37 PM (iC1rO)
Nothing will stop the left from turning around 180 degrees and denying that they ever turned.
Oh, I would have never suspected that! http://tiny.cc/RAAACIST
Posted by: dudeinsantacruz at April 19, 2010 04:38 PM (NA7sd)
Posted by: Bugler at April 19, 2010 04:38 PM (YCVBL)
Posted by: Bugler at April 19, 2010 08:38 PM (YCVBL)
As well you should, because it won't take much to push credit crisis 2.0 back on us, and there won't be any money left to buy time with.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at April 19, 2010 04:40 PM (N49h9)
Posted by: Jones at April 19, 2010 04:41 PM (JL3qV)
@17
At the libtard "worker bee" level, they feel rather than think. They don't even know that they are hypocritical morons.
At the leadership level, the progressive statists are convinced of their own virtue and that they "care" about the peons. Therefore, the people that oppose them are evil and must be destroyed/discredited by any mean necessary.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at April 19, 2010 04:41 PM (bCQG3)
That was then. This is now. Now, the biggest of all political meltdowns in decades. The leaders of the Democrat party, most of whom are in safe districts, are leading the rest to the biggest defeat we've ever seen.
There will be hell to pay in the Democrat Party. And in the media. And I'm expecting the MSM to get really ugly. Which will be a beautiful thing to watch.
But that's just my opinion.
Posted by: SlaveDog at April 19, 2010 04:42 PM (W+E+o)
Posted by: Zombie of Jimmeh Teh Greek at April 19, 2010 04:42 PM (CfmlF)
I wouldn't rule it out. I think that on March 21st whatever frayed tether remained between Democrats and America finally snapped, as they realized "saaaaayyyy... you know, we really can do ANYTHING!"
Posted by: The War Between the Seditious States at April 19, 2010 04:42 PM (iC1rO)
Posted by: runningrn at April 19, 2010 04:43 PM (CfmlF)
Posted by: Eric Massa at April 19, 2010 04:43 PM (iC1rO)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 19, 2010 04:43 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Bugler at April 19, 2010 08:38 PM (YCVBL)
As enforced by who, exactly?
Posted by: TexasJew at April 19, 2010 04:43 PM (+g+m6)
Posted by: dagny at April 19, 2010 04:45 PM (+NTbo)
You're right, Jones. We haven't won shit, yet. The people are pissed off at the Democrats, but the Republicans still haven't given them a reason to vote for them in November.
And time's a-wastin'. These lazy shits in the Republican party better their asses in gear and form some sort of new Contract with America, because the Republicans are not a trusted party on anything, anymore. They need to regain the people's trust.
Posted by: Dynomutt After Dark at April 19, 2010 04:45 PM (Uf4aV)
Posted by: SlaveDog at April 19, 2010 04:45 PM (W+E+o)
And now, we feel that pain again, *T*axed *E*nough *A*lready. Hence, TEA PARTY attendee, not a bagger---Got that, you POS?
Perhaps it would behoove you to get in touch with reality, just a teeny, tiny bit.
Posted by: DefendUSA at April 19, 2010 04:46 PM (yIwYC)
39 You certainly are a proper southern! How kind, thank you!
I'm never one to turn down such a generous offer! And we're probably on the same page--wine?
How did your tea party go last week?
Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 19, 2010 04:46 PM (ksxOw)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 19, 2010 04:46 PM (UOM48)
I personally intend to accuse them of sedition and a lack of patriotism on a daily basis
Ace,
Don't forget that every time they criticize any Republican and/or conservative, they will be racist, sexist or something-ist.
Posted by: Mama AJ at April 19, 2010 04:46 PM (XdlcF)
I plan to get even in November. Let them OD on their anti-depressants then.
Posted by: Phil at April 19, 2010 04:48 PM (jr7Cb)
I don't see any reason to assume the military would refuse to follow such orders. Obizzle's problem is one of geography.
Posted by: The War Between the Seditious States at April 19, 2010 04:48 PM (iC1rO)
Posted by: Bugler at April 19, 2010 08:38 PM (YCVBL)
As enforced by who, exactly?
Posted by: TexasJew at April 19, 2010 08:43 PM (+g+m6)
I'm about 100% sure my governor Bob McDonnel isnt going to call out his National Guard to enforce any sort of martial law for Wee Wee.
Posted by: Blazer at April 19, 2010 04:48 PM (t72+4)
Is Pinot Grigio okay for you?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 19, 2010 04:48 PM (UOM48)
Maybe the next time Hannity is eating dinner with Al Sharpton he can arrange a sit down with Conyers to get him to chill and let him know he's a Great American.
Posted by: Atomic Roach at April 19, 2010 04:50 PM (Oxen1)
Stewart's a sniveling little snot and he knows it.
He has facial expressions. That's the extent of his "humor".
I remember watching him during the writer's strike and thinking 'my God, he is seriously fucking unfunny and pretty dumb too boot'.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 19, 2010 04:50 PM (ksxOw)
Posted by: David Axelrod at April 19, 2010 04:51 PM (2kVkH)
Posted by: Ira at April 19, 2010 04:51 PM (bJm7W)
Posted by: Penfold at April 19, 2010 08:26 PM (EdMSl)
Time Magazine has replaced Sears & Roebuck Catalog as the paper of choice in the two-holer's at Harvard University.
Posted by: Fish at April 19, 2010 04:51 PM (M5t+h)
Is Pinot Grigio okay for you?
If it's in a Box, Lacey will love it. Just watch out for your Lamps if she has too many.
Posted by: garrett at April 19, 2010 04:51 PM (a4W/X)
Posted by: Bugler at April 19, 2010 04:51 PM (YCVBL)
Levin now taking on Bill Mayer (sp). The caller says the guy is like 5'2" and looks like a duck. Internets says he's 5'8" which is like height/weight on a high school football roster---add two inches and 25 lbs
Posted by: dagny at April 19, 2010 04:51 PM (+NTbo)
It's time to take the gloves off for Stewart. Stewart is a Democratic party booster, and it's time to call him out on it. The cute clown routine is starting to get lame.
Posted by: Phil at April 19, 2010 04:52 PM (jr7Cb)
I don't see any reason to assume the military would refuse to follow such orders. Obizzle's problem is one of geography.
Posted by: The War Between the Seditious States at April 19, 2010 08:48 PM (iC1rO)
It's ridiculous - totally off the table. The military would certainly refuse that particular suicide mission, in any case. No one wants to die for Obamaist socialism.
Posted by: TexasJew at April 19, 2010 04:52 PM (+g+m6)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 19, 2010 08:46 PM (UOM4
Pay per view for sure and then afterwards, BUNK!
Posted by: conscious and loves Megyn Kelly at April 19, 2010 04:52 PM (YVZlY)
52 Heh!
You've got my number!!
(Get out of my head, woman! I've got a glass of PG currently sitting besides me)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 19, 2010 04:53 PM (ksxOw)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 19, 2010 04:53 PM (UOM48)
"It's good to know that Joe Klein will set aside his own hateful rhetoric at that time. On penalty of jailing should he refuse to do so."
Nah, just give him a people's tribunal. As long as we can find two people to read his inevitably treasonous future statement, just have a little drumhead trial and a hangin' party. Commies are always demanding justice on the part of the people. Why not give it to them?
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at April 19, 2010 04:53 PM (kmEfr)
Posted by: dagny at April 19, 2010 04:53 PM (+NTbo)
>>>At the libtard "worker bee" level, they feel rather than think.
That's even true at the highest levels of the left, as we saw in the pathetic Sotomayor nomination, where all levels on the left openly embraced the idea of empathy being the most important characteristic of a judge.
>>>They don't even know that they are hypocritical morons.
I agree that the leftist peons are unaware of this. But, leftism is emotion-based, so logical notions such as "hypocrisy" never occur to them, at all.
>>>At the leadership level, the progressive statists are convinced of their own virtue and that they "care" about the peons. Therefore, the people that oppose them are evil and must be destroyed/discredited by any mean necessary.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at April 19, 2010 08:41 PM (bCQG3)
I have to respectfully disagree with you on this - not in total, but mostly. Those leftists who do believe that they are correct in their feelings about how society should be structured are generally not the ones who paint their ideological opponents as "evil". That only tends to happen after they lose arguments, have problems with implementations, and begin to seriously doubt their ideas. I have dealt with many people of the true believer type and, while they are seriously misguided, they tend to remain reasonable people.
Most leftists in the US are motivated, above all, by self-hate (and, therefore, hate of the US) and that puts them in an altogether different category. Others are just overwhelmed by runaway empathy and can't stand seeing any pain or suffering (which are parts of life, no matter) so they take to trying to force the government to do away with it, to try and deal with their own personality problems.
Most of the leftist leaders, though, are just power hungry animals who love to control others. These are people who get off on forcing smokers to stand outside in -20 degree weather, with rain (while they would prosecute a CIA interrogator for doing the same to an Al Quaeda member who killed a thousand Americans).
And then, there is The Precedent. He's not really a leftist. He's too dumb to understand political systems, in general. He just wants to exact revenge on the US and the West. Lucky for him, because that's about all someone with a limited mental capacity like his could even hope to do.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at April 19, 2010 04:54 PM (N49h9)
What is so maddening about it is when they say "Bush regime" it's OK. But if we say "Obama regime" then somehow it is fucking seditious?
What the fuck is that? How do you decode that?
Well, I'll tell you. It's surprisingly easy to decode: They want us dead.
And they mean to kill us. And they're trying to come up with reasons that make sense to them - so they can justify it. So they can justify the means they'll use to get to the end.
They're looking for reasons to kill Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin and Michelle Bauchmann or anyone else who has the rhetorical skills and charisma to successfully explain to the masses exactly what the Obama regime is doing to America.
Fascists always kill.
Always.
Just wait.
It's coming. They're laying the groundwork. Creating the reasons. Justifying things for their conscience. Prepping the media battlespace for the killings to come.
Purge.
There always has to be a purge.
Posted by: someguy at April 19, 2010 04:55 PM (VRJIW)
Posted by: Jones at April 19, 2010 04:55 PM (JL3qV)
Does anyone actually read Time anymore?
Doubtful. But I picked up a Newsweek at someone's house last week--holy shit! It was like picking up the little 6oz pennysaver you get in the mail!
I think it was a sum total of 38 pages!
Made me smile.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 19, 2010 04:55 PM (ksxOw)
Posted by: societyis2blame at April 19, 2010 04:56 PM (7ZyYf)
#17 Nothing stops the left from making any argument that they think helps them.
Liberalism is a mental disorder wherein any absurd and bigoted belief that supports its agenda must be tolerated, promoted by force and revered as doctrine by its fanatical partisans. Any and all means will be employed to achieve its despotic and tyrannical objectives, even the embracing of an enemy sworn to destroy its own existence and the murder of its unborn infants.
Posted by: Beto at April 19, 2010 04:57 PM (H+LJc)
What a fucking douche bag.
Posted by: Kemp at April 19, 2010 04:57 PM (2+9Yx)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 19, 2010 04:57 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at April 19, 2010 04:58 PM (8x3SC)
Posted by: dagny at April 19, 2010 04:58 PM (+NTbo)
Nothing's off the table with these people. They've made that very clear.
The military would certainly refuse that particular suicide mission, in any case.
Would they? I dunno...
Posted by: The War Between the Seditious States at April 19, 2010 04:58 PM (iC1rO)
I've mentioned it before, so pardon my redundancy, there is nothing like righteous anger. People of good will getting slandered by pissy Democrats and their accomplices in the media is like pouring kerosene on a fire.
If you're not a racist, and you get called one by a lame-ass leftist who can't put up an argument other than to slur you, you get good and pissed off.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at April 19, 2010 04:59 PM (Wh0W+)
Liberals project. They talked about it so much because it's what they would like to do.
Posted by: The War Between the Seditious States at April 19, 2010 05:00 PM (iC1rO)
Posted by: rawmuse at April 19, 2010 05:00 PM (NIctN)
Posted by: Bugler at April 19, 2010 08:51 PM (YCVBL)
They can proclaim anything they want. But they will never be able to enforce it. It will be their end, totally, to physically attack the American people, and they know it.
So their aim now is to run down our economy until the shit hits the fan, pay off their friends, like Goldman Sachs, and then get out of Dodge.
No one wants to take a bullet for them: they're scum.
Posted by: TexasJew at April 19, 2010 05:00 PM (+g+m6)
That's right, assholes, we ARE coming for YOU.
Be afraid, be VERY afraid.
You all are LOSERS! 2010!
Posted by: Kemp at April 19, 2010 05:00 PM (2+9Yx)
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at April 19, 2010 05:00 PM (8x3SC)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 19, 2010 05:01 PM (UOM48)
Flip the House, probably.
Flip a majority of Governorships, DEFINATELY.
Flip the Senate, pretty much impossible.
I see a MAXIMUM of 9- Delaware, Indiana, North Dakota, Nevada, Arkansas, Pennsylvania, Illinois and Colorado all look very likely, California is 50/50.
You have next to no chance in Connecticut, New York Special and Reg (screw you Pataki, and double-screw you, Guiliani), Maryland, Vermont, Oregon, and Hawaii.
You have only a SLIGHT chance in Wisconsin (again, thanks a lot Thompson), even slighter in Washington (Rossi goddamnit jump in)
But everything else is looking good.
Posted by: theoneandonlyfinn at April 19, 2010 05:01 PM (Gr1V1)
Posted by: Soap MacTavish at April 19, 2010 05:01 PM (554T5)
Would they? I dunno...
Yeah. They would. Honour and Duty are alive and well in our military. They serve the US Citizens. They are the US Citizens. There will be no threat to the People from OUR military.
Posted by: garrett at April 19, 2010 05:01 PM (a4W/X)
I can't stop laughing. This just reminds me of my kid when he was a 2 years old. Oh the temper tantrums!
They just keep insulting voters, are they really dense enough not to realise that will just push voters away? Do they really think insulting voters will make them vote for you??!?!
Do they know that Tea Party supporters include dems and independents like me? I keep telling them on the crap the DNC still sends me.
Yes, keep on insulting voters, Tea Party supporters... that'll show them!
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at April 19, 2010 05:01 PM (ACkhT)
Would they? I dunno...
Posted by: The War Between the Seditious States at April 19,
2010 08:58 PM (iC1rO)
Oathkeepers. Bryan Suits talked about them last Sunday on our local talk station. I could've sworn there was a post about them here at the HQ sometime last year.
Posted by: wherestherum at April 19, 2010 05:03 PM (gofDd)
And it motivates people to go vote.
As Martha Stewart says: "You're a white racist cracker."
You're going to see record turnout of white racist crackers on November 2. And it's going to be a fun night watching Chris Matthews' fucking head explode on national television.
Morning in America.
It's coming.
Posted by: someguy at April 19, 2010 05:03 PM (VRJIW)
If you're not a racist, and you get called one by a lame-ass leftist who can't put up an argument other than to slur you, you get good and pissed off.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at April 19, 2010 08:59 PM (Wh0W+)
That and Nazi. Its where it always goes and how it always ends. Its the last refuge of the scoundrel.
Posted by: Blazer at April 19, 2010 05:03 PM (t72+4)
Posted by: SlaveDog at April 19, 2010 05:03 PM (W+E+o)
Posted by: Fyzycyst at April 19, 2010 05:03 PM (ng3i7)
Posted by: The War Between the Seditious States at April 19, 2010 08:58 PM (iC1rO)
Absolutely. Most of them want to get to 20/30 and retire off to another career, like the rest of us. I live in a military area.
No one wants to die for Obama, Nancy or Harry Reid. And why the fuck would anyone?
Posted by: TexasJew at April 19, 2010 05:05 PM (+g+m6)
Posted by: rawmuse at April 19, 2010 05:05 PM (NIctN)
If you're not a racist, and you get called one by a lame-ass leftist who can't put up an argument other than to slur you, you get good and pissed off.
Same Goes for Cyclists who get Piked by TexanDaves!
Posted by: Lance Armstrong at April 19, 2010 05:06 PM (a4W/X)
What governor would go along with that?
Posted by: SlaveDog at April 19, 2010 05:07 PM (W+E+o)
@87: "They can proclaim anything they want. But they will never be able to enforce it."
That has been the argument used by pretty much every country that ended up getting shot up by their own military/police. "OUR military/police would NEVER do that." Historically speaking, not only will pretty much all nations' militaries, etc., do it, they usually are quite happy about it.
Think it can't happen here? Bonus Army, Kent State, NY Draft Riots, Waco, Ruby Ridge, Katrina.....
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at April 19, 2010 05:09 PM (kmEfr)
The boys need that valu rite buzz to get cranked up. They be young, so Ace probably hasn't seen noon awake in, what was it six months ago?
So they wire up and fired up. Live with it!
Enjoy.
Posted by: Kemp at April 19, 2010 05:09 PM (2+9Yx)
Posted by: Barbarian at April 19, 2010 05:09 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: Dave in Texas at April 19, 2010 05:09 PM (Wh0W+)
What governor would go along with that?
Posted by: SlaveDog at April 19, 2010 09:07 PM (W+E+o)
Well, the President can Federalize the National Guard, like they did in the south during the early 60's. But it wouldn't work for Obama here in Texas. Not by a long shot.
Posted by: TexasJew at April 19, 2010 05:11 PM (+g+m6)
Don't forget that every time they criticize any Republican and/or
conservative, they will be racist, sexist or something-ist.
Heck, I've already decided the real reason they disliked Bush so much is he's white.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at April 19, 2010 05:12 PM (n2wxa)
And that translates into following all legal orders from the President. Habeas corpus HAS been suspended in this country before, and the Constitution provides for it "in cases or Rebellion or Invasion". Entire states have been occupied and have fallen under the control of military governors. It would require extraordinary circumstances but there is precedent.
I'm not at all confident that the military would refuse to follow the kinds of orders Obama would like to issue. There is a legal basis for such orders and Obama is the legal Commander in Chief.
Posted by: The War Between the Seditious States at April 19, 2010 05:12 PM (iC1rO)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 19, 2010 05:13 PM (UOM48)
@93: "They serve the US Citizens. They are the US Citizens. There will be no threat to the People from OUR military."
Again: Bonus Army, Kent State, NY Draft Riots, Waco, Ruby Ridge, Katrina.....
Our soldiers and LEOs are human. They'll act like humans act. If ordered to oppress their own, history pretty definitively shows that they will. Not all to be sure - some will oppose, some will do nothing. But sadly, most probably will.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at April 19, 2010 05:13 PM (kmEfr)
Slave Dog, the governors would have NO say.
The president can nationalize the state national guards.
REMEMBER Kennedy sending the ALABAMA national guard to UA to force Gov Wallace to admit that Black girl?
No, you don't you weren't born, but trust me here, it happened. sorry they don't teach US History anymore.
Posted by: Kemp at April 19, 2010 05:14 PM (2+9Yx)
Liberals project. They talked about it so much because it's what they would like to do.
That's what I find disconcerting. These are people that made their own snuff fantasy films about Bush being assassinated. They are mentally unbalanced. Unbalanced people should not be in charge of armies and such.
One more thing- I agree that American soldiers would not particularly want to attack Americans. However, I think that those wonderful, wonderful, baby raping UN "peacekeepers" would like nothing more than to be let loose in the USA. Crazy? Sure
However, if two years ago, you said that the USA would nationalize the car industry and the healthcare industry, you would have said that was crazy too.
Posted by: shibumi at April 19, 2010 05:14 PM (OKZrE)
Time Magazine has replaced
Sears & Roebuck Catalog as the paper of choice in the two-holer's at
Harvard University.
A Harvard Two-Holer? Is that a stall with two glory holes?
Posted by: Rob Crawford at April 19, 2010 05:14 PM (n2wxa)
Actually it was a Black guy, Medgar Evars?? The girl was in Ark when she was forced into a white HS.
Posted by: Kemp at April 19, 2010 05:15 PM (2+9Yx)
Posted by: rawmuse at April 19, 2010 05:16 PM (NIctN)
Let's not start sucking each others dicks just yet gentlemen.
I seem to remember the Democrats saying something similar about a year ago.
Posted by: Winston Wolf at April 19, 2010 05:16 PM (9B5OK)
Posted by: ck at April 19, 2010 05:17 PM (FilQu)
@112: "I'm not at all confident that the military would refuse to follow the kinds of orders Obama would like to issue. There is a legal basis for such orders and Obama is the legal Commander in Chief."
Yeah - the 60s proved it. Using Federal troops on college campuses, etc. during the Civil Rights era was effectively an act of war by the Federal government against whichever State happened to be on the receiving end.
So long as enough people agree with the ends (like preventing physical harm to innocent kids who just want to go to school), the means are easily justified.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at April 19, 2010 05:17 PM (kmEfr)
I've heard of them.
Posted by: The War Between the Seditious States at April 19, 2010 05:18 PM (iC1rO)
Who doesn't want to shoot Hippies?
C'Mon. Nobody needed to give those orders...they just needed to make it clear that there would be no questions afterwards.
Posted by: garrett at April 19, 2010 05:20 PM (a4W/X)
@95: "Oathkeepers. Bryan Suits talked about them last Sunday on our local talk station. I could've sworn there was a post about them here at the HQ sometime last year."
But the Oathkeepers have only stated things in the negative: that they won't go along with disarmament orders, etc. They've never actually said that they would fight to prevent it. Still, a group worthy of praise.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at April 19, 2010 05:21 PM (kmEfr)
Don't be too sure about that. I'm old enough to forget stuff.
Posted by: SlaveDog at April 19, 2010 05:21 PM (W+E+o)
If Monica did go to Prison...
Could she keep her Wig? I mean, Horse-Hair can be made into rope, right?
Posted by: garrett at April 19, 2010 05:22 PM (a4W/X)
Posted by: PaleRider at April 19, 2010 05:25 PM (dkExz)
Said precedent involved the military first splitting in half and firing on each other.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at April 19, 2010 05:26 PM (n2wxa)
If they did, they'd be lined up and shot.
Posted by: The War Between the Seditious States at April 19, 2010 05:26 PM (iC1rO)
Indeed. Don't rule THAT out either.
Posted by: The War Between the Seditious States at April 19, 2010 05:27 PM (iC1rO)
But the Oathkeepers have only stated things in the negative: that they won't go along with disarmament orders, etc. They've never actually said that they would fight to prevent it.
And if shit got bad enough that they had to refuse such orders, what do you think the result would be? They'd either be fighting for their lives or up against the wall as traitors.
I suspect the Oathkeepers have a firmer grasp on the potential cost of their oaths than you give them credit.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at April 19, 2010 05:28 PM (n2wxa)
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at April 19, 2010 09:13 PM (kmEfr)
Really? Then why am I locked up in this basement?
Posted by: Czar Nicholas II at April 19, 2010 05:30 PM (ZESU0)
Posted by: sulla at April 19, 2010 05:31 PM (Y4/VY)
Posted by: Jeff at April 19, 2010 05:32 PM (WRM2y)
136 I take it the NBC piece made absolutely no mention of the deliberate social engineering experiment that used Detroit as the lab rat?
A hint to the social engineers out there: the rat died.
Posted by: unknown jane at April 19, 2010 05:36 PM (5/yRG)
On the floor before the vote, Majority Leader Harry Reid said, "We're going to hear an earful, but it's going to be an earful of wonderment and happiness that people waited for for a long time."
Posted by: mrp at April 19, 2010 05:36 PM (HjPtV)
Posted by: Monty at April 19, 2010 05:39 PM (O3eFQ)
Posted by: America Dispossessed at April 19, 2010 05:41 PM (swuwV)
139 More like wishful thinking and praying here...I have kids, and I'm not as young as I used to be; when shtf I feel an obligation to try and at least keep a small flock of sheep safe as well as my own -- this might be more than I'm capable of anymore. I sometimes worry about how I can do it -- logistics and all that -- it keeps me up some nights.
Posted by: unknown jane at April 19, 2010 05:43 PM (5/yRG)
@131: "If they did, they'd be lined up and shot."
Nah, after the stuff that some of the troops got away with in Vietnam (fraggings, desertions, etc.) no one is getting the old Eddie Slovak treatment. I doubt that even the Ft. Hood gunman or the pre-OIF attack gunman will get that.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at April 19, 2010 05:45 PM (kmEfr)
@133: "And if shit got bad enough that they had to refuse such orders, what do you think the result would be? They'd either be fighting for their lives or up against the wall as traitors.
I suspect the Oathkeepers have a firmer grasp on the potential cost of their oaths than you give them credit."
If they actually do what they say, who knows. A lot of what could happen to them would depend on where they were and in what capacity. For the military OKs, it is conceivable that many would be arrested. It is possible, though probably unlikely, that some could be executed. For the LEO OKs, the risks are likely considerably less.
You're also aware that orders can be refused simply be being carried out in a really half-assed way, too, right? The risks from simply "not finding any weapons to confiscate" on a patrol are probably not that great.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at April 19, 2010 05:57 PM (kmEfr)
@139: "And people scoff when I say that it will ultimately come to bloodshed. It doesn't make me happy to say it, but it's as obvious to me as the stars in the sky. Does anybody seriously think the bad blood is going to be worked out at the ballot-box somehow? If so...you are far more optimistic than I am."
Yeah, I figure it's pretty much inevitable, too. Not exactly a comforting thought when I live hundreds of miles from what would likely be the nearest friendly lines. Srebrenica, here I come.....
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at April 19, 2010 06:01 PM (kmEfr)
Posted by: BA at April 19, 2010 06:02 PM (GkYyh)
Posted by: Bugler at April 19, 2010 06:04 PM (YCVBL)
Posted by: FatBaldnSassy at April 19, 2010 06:22 PM (lFp7s)
Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Professional Debate Team at April 19, 2010 06:24 PM (erIg9)
143 What has to be kept in mind has already been mentioned here: the use of UN and NATO troops would not be out of the question; in fact, this administration has made that even more likely if something untoward were to happen.
American troops would be at odds and ends: I think there would be a split. I'd even like to think many Canadian troops would pause before getting really nasty (that may be wishful thinking) -- but the rest of the world? Especially considering what a lovely job this administration has done to drum up all that America love?
Posted by: unknown jane at April 19, 2010 06:25 PM (5/yRG)
Posted by: David Axelrod at April 19, 2010 08:51 PM (2kVkH)
you think I've never had to dig a hole in the desert?
Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Professional Debate Team at April 19, 2010 06:27 PM (erIg9)
Back in the bad old 'Shrub years a paper was published on how adaptive police forces in various countries were in transitioning to a police state - the police function is to arrest lawbreakers, however petty or obtuse the law is, however dangerous or benign the lawbreaker, based solely upon the priority placed on which offensive acts are to be focused upon by the leaders of society.
Martial law can only go so far, as soldiers are trained for combat against armed belligerents in the protection of their own people (contrast the police function). When used in offense against their own it can only go so far as they are reluctant to disperse crowds with howitzer fire... the police not so much, if so equipped, and if it is deemed reasonable force.
When SHTF in Russia, their army refused to fire on their own, same in Manila with Marcos, and probably dozens of Roman Emperors fell to their Generals knives, and others... Bonna Fide civil wars are few and far between..
We are already manning up LEOs, by thousands, to pick out the insubordinate outliers.... when they finally get down to midnight SWAT raids on the guys with too many outstanding parking tickets (who could have paid, but did not) there ain't gonna be a lot of people feeling sorry for your antisocial ways.
Posted by: Druid at April 19, 2010 06:31 PM (Oe01r)
Actually....no.
Sure, the neighborhoods are bad, but I worked downtown (at all hours) for six years, and it was fine. Because after 6pm it was essentially a ghost town. Hell, one of the places I worked had a crack/whore house across the street, and as long as you parked your car in the paid lot, nothing would happen.
And yes, liberalism and the society of "you owe me" ruined Detroit.
Posted by: shibumi at April 19, 2010 06:35 PM (OKZrE)
As for the violence and pending civil war part, "Don't quote me boy, 'cuz I ain't said shit."
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"the definition of sedition which is conduct or language inciting rebellion against the authority of the state. And a lot of these statements, especially the ones coming from people like Glenn Beck and to a certain extent Sarah Palin, rub right up close to being seditious."
Against the authority of the state? Yeah, Joe. That makes sense if you're a dangerous fucking idiot who believes the "state" is all-powerful. The rest of us who have heard of something called the United States Constitution know the "states" or the "Federal government" are NOT all-powerful, and instead work FOR US, for "we the people". This isn't sedition, this is the fact that the goverments at federal, state, and local levels need to get smacked on the nose like your dog that just shit on the rug.
Posted by: SGT Dan at April 19, 2010 06:37 PM (L0IJJ)
You need to make sure your protesters at least know how to spell and spend a little more time on their signs.
You need to at least know what "fascist" really means.
You have to try a little harder to hide your back woods racist spew.
...And you're going to need a lot more than just America's fat-white-middle-aged-racist contingent to build a substantial opposition.
Suck it.
Posted by: I love Tea Bagging at April 19, 2010 06:48 PM (vUdSP)
Posted by: Matt at April 19, 2010 06:50 PM (QiC/N)
LINK
Posted by: mrp at April 19, 2010 06:52 PM (HjPtV)
My asshole liberal nephew was blaring that "dissent is the highest form of patriotism" shit around my house three years ago; that, along with some other stuff, is when I decided that I'd prefer to see the little turd somewhere else--just didn't want him in my house any more.
And yeh, I've been brooding on Joe Klein's "sedition" comment today. I've decided that he and my asshole liberal nephew make a matched set--of morons.
Posted by: Comanche Voter at April 19, 2010 06:58 PM (ktYjH)
Posted by: Shrek at April 19, 2010 06:59 PM (PHXnE)
You're also aware that orders can be refused simply be being carried out in a really half-assed way, too, right? The risks from simply "not finding any weapons to confiscate" on a patrol are probably not that great.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at April 19, 2010 09:57 PMBut what if you are doing a round-up, NOLA style, based upon the local firearms registry?
Knowing that most households with a firearm have more than one, that most buy something "cost-effective" at some time, everybody has at least one they figure they can throw into a river after one shot, "Come on, give up your specials, your throw-downs..." wink, wink, check off another name on the list...
Go back after the round up with a gunny sack full of lorcins, bryants, and llamas for the amnesty box.
And a bunch of names of names cleared off the list.
Posted by: Druid at April 19, 2010 07:02 PM (Oe01r)
Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Professional Debate Team at April 19, 2010 07:37 PM (erIg9)
Posted by: John Conyers at April 19, 2010 07:47 PM (FkC8S)
Posted by: Bugler at April 19, 2010 07:52 PM (YCVBL)
Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Professional Debate Team at April 19, 2010 07:58 PM (erIg9)
I think you underestimate their ability to live with crippling contradiction and epic levels of hypocrisy.
Posted by: DelD at April 19, 2010 08:33 PM (eWtdM)
Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at April 19, 2010 09:00 PM (KK884)
165-Nicely done there, obvious and subtle.
Posted by: Not Quite at April 19, 2010 09:25 PM (Bs8Te)
Posted by: golly at April 19, 2010 10:25 PM (2/oBD)
I WANT A MONTAGE!
Olbie, Garafallacio, and all the rest- chanting "Bush Regime."
Maybe a video where the panes multiply until you have hundreds of faces all repeating the same mantra.
C'mon. You know you wanna do it.
Posted by: Cluebat from Exodar at April 20, 2010 02:57 AM (JSetw)
Posted by: inspectorudy at April 20, 2010 07:42 AM (Vo1wX)
Lets also not forget that this is just one election.
It is easy to think that leftists will be pushed from power come November based off of our own internal take on things. But remember that 1/5th of the country is leftist.
That isn't going to change.
This is the cancer that is killing our republic.
People like Obama and Pelosi and Reid, noxious as they may be, are still just individual politicians. The real danger is posed by the 20% of voters who drink from the same Kool-Aide they do.
These people do exist and they're not going away.
Posted by: Lee at April 20, 2010 07:47 AM (zF8wD)
And liberals do it all the time.
Whenever a liberal says something negative about a conservative its because the liberal is already guilty of doing it or of thinking it.
Posted by: muddywood at April 20, 2010 08:03 AM (hkYHo)
Also, why haven't we heard about how real 'teabaggers' were engaging in a Boxer Rebellion by protesting against Obama on DADT Repeal? Why wouldn't the media call real teabaggers, 'teabaggers'?
Posted by: eaglewingz08 at April 20, 2010 08:59 AM (0MGT1)
Posted by: ktgreat at April 20, 2010 08:59 AM (kBRCH)
The Demoncraps have been preparing for this contingency for years. They have already run repeated system tests for effective control of elections using voter fraud since their clumsy efforts to enthrone Gore failed in 2000.
Add to that the fact that (and this is of course NOT being reported by the Goebbelian Media) many states are currently enacting laws for this fall that will provide as many votes as they need virtually in every contest to select the chosen candidate.
If you doubt any of this, check this out:
http://www.legis.state.wi.us/2009/data/SB-640.pdf
They may allow the final seat change to be close but I would bet my life that not only do they have a secure setup that will maintain their majority but that they will also use their "narrow" win as a mandate that the electorate is behind the completion of the Socialist Project that they have fought to enslave us with since the 1920's.
Posted by: Wayne at April 20, 2010 09:43 AM (i3tSP)
Posted by: DANEgerus at April 26, 2010 10:49 AM (LMi2C)
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