1 Hall of mirrors!

2 ...heard of cats...

Yeah, I've heard of cats.

_Sorry.

3 "once Hayworth is gone"

4 I was going to say something, but I see Big Bro got here first.

5 Intrade says that the dems will hold the House in 2012

6
McCain lost Indiana and North Carolina.
He's not just a loser; he's an epic loser.

7 At least one Republican hasn't gone wobbly. Yet.

8 What Obama can do is force a government shut down like Clinton did in the '90s as a way to bring pressure on the Republicans to add money in.

I just found out from a new History book that that Clinton gov shutdown had been planned in advance of the budget being submitted. Clinton intended to do the "shutdown" regardless of what the congress passed and sent him.

The plan was to shutdown a few non-essential agencies and get the media to blame the Republicans. Well it worked then.

It will not work now. We have the internet and alternative media that will get the word out.  Besides which the MSM has shot their wad in 08. NOBODY believes them anymore.

9 But that doesn't excuse McLame from being a DN.

10

Yeah, repeal would be good, but IMO we the huddled masses might consider pressuring wherever possible, our elected representatives at all levels that the constant drumbeat to find new ways to suck money out of people with taxes is going to bring this country to its knees - pronto.

The only way, imio, is to take the nasty tasting medicine and make the tough spending cuts.  Taxes stifle everything that could possibly save this country.

Taxes - even worse than global effing warming - dammit!

11

Intrade says that the dems will hold the House in 2012

2012 eh? Well, if'ns we give 'em a good trashing in 2010 i'd be willing to let them keep a couple of seats in 2012

12 Sometimes its hard to be a voter
Giving all your love to just one man
You'll have bad times
And he'll have good times
Doing things that you don't understand
But if you love him you'll forgive him
Even though he's hard to understand
And if you love him
Oh be proud of him
'Cause after all he's just a man
Stand by your man

13

Drew  Comments on 2 threads need to be cleaned up,

162-167 on  Gabriel's morning thread.

146 on Oil exploration thread.

14
A little taste of the fight we need to bring to the democrats in NOV. - starting.....
NOW.

Over at the Club for Growth, Andy Roth lays out how South Dakota's Rep. Stephanie Herseth-Sandlin(D) rarely dissents from party orthodoxy:

"She also voted for card check, a $300 billion bailout for Fannie and Freddie, for SCHIP, for Obama's budget, for a massive increase in the national debt limit, for the FY10 Omnibus, for Davis-Bacon requirements, and for countless earmarks (like Rangel's "Monument to Me" and the South Carolina Aquarium) .

She has also voted against a handful of free trade agreements, against offshore drilling, against a bill that would stop Fannie/Freddie from borrowing from the Treasury, and against permanent repeal of the Death Tax."

15
This is just Maverick's April Fools joke, is all.  Continue to ignore.

16 is going to be a long and hard process. Thats what she said.

17
Here's the one thing about all these creeps in congress we are forced to "trust".
They are all damn politicians.


Yeah - it sucks.  We have to pick "bad" over "really really horrid and awful".
Imperfect vs. socialist - PICK.

18
"John McCain's proposal, George Bush's proposal to drill offshore here in Florida, and other places around the country, would not provide families with any relief, this year, next year, five years from now," he said. "Believe me, if I thought there was any evidence at all that drilling could save people money who are struggling to fill up their gas tanks by this summer or the next few years, I would consider it, but it won't."

-Barack Obama, June 2008

19 There is no way that defunding Healthcare will make it go away. It will still be on the books and can easily be refunded. It HAS to go off the books!!

20

Eliminating funds for the health law would likely be done through the appropriations process in Congress

So couldn't there be some alternative form of funding? Who's to make sure that cash set aside for one agency can't just be passed anong to another? Also, with things like TARP, there is a ton of money that the executive controls which has no real limits. I'm not so sure that Obama and Co. have teh smarts or will to do something like that, but Obama did say he'd be willing to be a one-term pres if he passed his healthcare shit.

21 They are all Progressives, and those who remain will be Progressives, too. Can you really not see? I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me Panama or give me Belize.

22 if mccain had run a spirited campaign, he could have won the election. so for that i'm still pissed off at him, and he's a RINO, so i don't trust him. and i think he's basically a stupid old fool, but other than that, he's a dream date. so he's old and crusty and untrustworthy, but it's 2 AM and the bar's closing, so what can you do?

23 Sucker.

24 If the Dems try for Amnesty soon, at least McCain won't be able to cross over and join them without getting slaughtered by Hayworth.

25 Posted by: harleycowboy at April 01, 2010 11:57 AM (JKGfQ)

Yeah but you can't get it off the books until we have the White House or veto proof majorities in both houses (67 votes in the Senate and 287 votes in the House) .

Until then, defunding is the best weapon in the arsenal and if Mav is willing to try and wield it...then I'm in.

One step at a time.

26 Now this is the kinda candidate I'm talking about when I say, "push them to the right."

27
Ape Ril Fuulz

http://tinyurl.com/yao2gwz

28 At that point it becomes a political showdown and a contest of wills.

So you're sayin we're fucked, gotcha.

29 1 Hall  Wilderness of mirrors!

Posted by: Mjim at April 01, 2010 11:48 AM (V8B//) 

I prefer that wording simply because it annoys CIA types...

30

-Barack Obama, June 2008

This quote actually sums up Obama pretty well. He only thinks about the here-and-now. Gas prices for only "a few years". To bring more support for himself, regardless of what it does to the country even in the medium term. He's such a juvenile it's pathetic.

31 He's just sayin' this to draw conservative votes from Hayworth. Maybe he thinks it will help amnesty or green crap or whatever lib thing he wants like limiting free speech.

32 Can we get some clean up on isle 146 of the Why Pretend thread?

33 If the Dems try for Amnesty soon, at least McCain won't be able to cross over and join them without getting slaughtered by Hayworth.

That's why his butt boy Grahamnasty is still waiting. According to HH at Townhall Graham will not advance the Amnesty III bill without at least one more RINO to join him.

34 I wish all Conservatives would be more like Senator John McCain.

35 Why is it that in every primary these RINO SOBs run hard to the right and then as soon as the election is over they are crossing the aisle again?

36 Intrade says that the dems will hold the House in 2012

Posted by: Andy Rand at April 01, 2010 11:51 AM (mhD2v)

Obama says your insurance premiums will go down 3,000% in 2010 to so be sure and open your insurance bill, there should be a check inside for you.

37 I absolutely trust Lucy John to hold the football this time.

38 Repeal and replace, big boy. Blue balls? No no, don't listen to those other guys, this time I really will go through with it! [Bats eyelashes] Trust me...

39 Intrade says that I will shove a zucchini up my ass this afternoon.

40

33 He's just sayin' this to draw conservative votes from Hayworth.

Who's Hayworth?

41

John McCain Is Flirting Fucking With Me About Health Care Repeal

FIFY

42 I remember how the republicans blinked at passed all those 'emergency' essential funding measures while the government was supposedly shut down.  Everyone knew the budget fight was lost after they caved like that and there would be no cuts.   Can we do it right this time please?

43
Hey John, where's the God Damn fence you promised?

44 It's a good bargaining chip for Mav and Palin to push through amnesty.

45 41 Intrade says that I will shove a zucchini up my ass this afternoon.

Posted by: Randy Andy at April 01, 2010 12:06 PM (fnKN1)

Call me if you need any help...

46

37 Why is it that in every primary these RINO SOBs run hard to the right and then as soon as the election is over they are crossing the aisle again?

What?  You don't like a little jism in the mouth now and then?

47 Sorry, but McCain is all we got--we need him.  On the other hand, it would be fun, and possibly valuable if someone, in person, called him on how he will RINO-out on us.

48 Hey Drew, I couldn't help but notice you over there looking hot. I know we've had some rough times- bigger government, amnesty, torture; but lets not forget the good times. I brought Sarah out of the wilderness. Did I mention I was a pilot? Thats hot right? Hey I got an idea, how about I give you a big health care reacharound, will that do something for ya?

49

If I was an Arizona primary voter, I'd make it known that I was holding McCain responsible for Lindsey Graham's votes. If he still has any influence as a senator, he can start by convincing his friend to oppose Cap and Trade. 

50 OT: TECH FLAG Anyone else having trouble with AoS not loading? Been going on about 18 hours... TQ

51

Picture a mall full of tea partiers yelling, waving the tennessee flag: SHUT IT DOWN, SAVE US MONEY, SAVE AMERICA

52 Intrade says that I will shove a zucchini up my ass this afternoon.

Ahhh yes, the ancient technique.

53 So which is it?

Ace preaches all the time about not liking "purity pledges" and whatnot, but this fucking guy is playing  the base like 12 yr old beating on his  nintendo.

John "amesty, feingold, blah blah maverick" McCain has got to go. he is not a conservative and does way more harm as a Republican holding the seat than any D possibly could.

54

Ace -

Just got one of those IE virus warnings on your site. I think it's the same type we saw popping up several months ago.

55

DrewM. at April 01, 2010 12:01 PM (9B5OK)

I know. That's why we really need to do an intensive investigation of the candidates. Bypass the "This is what I said about that...." BS and look at what they have really voted on in the past. I'm not saying a person can't change but it seems to be a little too convenient as of late. Past performance is a better indicator of a persons leanings.

56 Shorter Drew: "I'm sorry I made you hit me baby."

57

he is not a conservative and does way more harm as a Republican holding the seat than any D possibly could.

Yeah. Not really, but I see your point.

58 I won't hit you anymore, Drew. Unless you make me.

59 @55 Thinking back two weeks ago, I've got to violently disagree that he would do more harm than a dem. A lot of those reps who got through bending us over in health care were dems who ran as conservatives... Hell even the maine wonder twins hung tough

60 Ace preaches all the time about not liking "purity pledges" and whatnot, but this fucking guy is playing the base like a 12 yr old beating on his  nintendo spanking his monkey.

61 Baby, I only cheat on you 'cause I love you so much.

62 Hey, I built a virtual border fence that solved our illegal immigration problem in record time.

I've got plenty of rainbows left in the tank to repeal Obamacare.

63

robtr at April 01, 2010 12:05 PM (fwSHf)

Make copies of your bills. When they go through the roof copy those and send both copies to DUUUH WON and ask him to pay the difference.

64 Its about having a conservative in the primary.  If he doesn't win, you have to go with the squish, because being in the majority is everything in congress.

that said, I would welcome a fed govt shutdown with just continuing resolutions for the military and the old folks.  Please Mr. Please, shutdown the govt. for the next 2 years.

65 How that [government shutdown] would play out is tough to say at this point. My guess is Obama would win out in the end.

Highly doubtful.  The only reason anyone gives the idiot messiah approval is because either 1) they are anti-American loons who enjoy seeing the US go down the tubes or 2) they are still scared of being seen as "racists" by the pollsters.  Other than that, no one with a brain thinks that the Indonesian Imbecile is doing anything correctly.

The messaging power of the presidency is too strong to go up against a fractured Congress with 535 different agendas, the proverbial herd of cats.

Messaging power?  This is the same Precedency that gave 23,321 speeches about health scare and saw falling numbers every time he opened his stupid, lying mouth.  I think you mean the "transparent lying power of The Precedency".  Anyone with a brain would attack this ineligible, un-American traitor occupying the White House every chance they get.  And shutting this government down would be a hugely popular position with the people who count.  Those who would be against it are just the people in category 1 from above, and they need to be marginalized and made to feel as unwelcome as much as possible - since the destruction of our is their intent.

The only danger is that the GOP loses what little balls they have and sinks into some non-confrontational appeasement of the traitorous left, as iowahawk's piece predicts.

As to McShame, he will be taken out in the primary by JD, after which McShame will spend his retirement sticking his nose into politics and trying to push all the crap he's famous for.  He might even show up in this administration, as their point man for aiding and abetting illegals.  It won't matter.  McShame will end his life as one of the most reviled politicians in American history - though still orders of magnitude behind the Indonesian Imbecile, if that's any comfort to the prick. 

66 Hell even the maine wonder twins hung tough

Posted by: Jollyroger at April 01, 2010 12:13 PM (pnMfF)

Agreed.  I was actually shocked that the two hose monsters from Maine didn't vote for ObamaCare. 

67 McCain is like a guy with a sick fetish. He sounds seductive but then you realize that he's bringing his tranny friends to bed too. How many times do you fall for it before you admit you like it?

68 does way more harm as a Republican holding the seat than any D possibly could.

I see your point, but a D holding the seat doesn't get Tom Coburn or Jim DeMint into any positions of authority within the Senate. 

69

Faye Kinnit at April 01, 2010 12:09 PM (l1oyw)

Nope. It's just you.

70   I was actually shocked that the two hose monsters from Maine didn't vote for ObamaCare.

They didn't have to; Olympa Snowe made it a fait accompli when she voted to bring it to the floor for a vote.

71
So they don't fund it.  Aren't the tax increases still in effect?

72 O/T:   I'm hearing that gmail went down all over the country for a few minutes anyone else hearing this?

73 I'll bring the lube Drew, and wear something sexy.

74 Was the last paragraph of this story, "April Fool!"?

75
Did RUSH just step into a pile of shit? I think so.

76 "Intrade says that the dems will hold the House in 2012"

Intrade also said Kerry would beat Bush.  Intrade is completely worthless.  It shows how the wind is blowing on any given day (with huge swings and error margins since the trade activity is so low).

One thing is certain...anyone who uses Intrade as a gauge is a moron.

77 McCain: same old same old When he runs, he runs as a conservative When he votes, well he votes like an asshole alot

78 53

Picture a mall full of tea partiers yelling, waving the tennessee flag: SHUT IT DOWN, SAVE US MONEY, SAVE AMERICA

Posted by: dagny at April 01, 2010 12:09 PM (AGXlA)

newsletter?

79 Yeah. Not really, but I see your point.

OK, I know this is not cut and dry, but which is worse -- Republican Spector or Democratic Spector? (disregarding effect on supermajority status and such)

when he was an R, all we heard about was "bipartisan" and "some R support" and "going against the far right wing" but now that he is a D he is is emasculated. There is no longer this myth that "reasonable" R's actually agree with D's.

80 74 - I didn't notice anything happening with TopekaMail today.  May have been very brief.

81 We all know it will go exactly like Iowahawk's parody in the sidebar.  Bigger govt = bigger graft = easier to get reelected.  Everyone (in DC) wins.

82
Fuck it.
Dump McCain and don't blow the gift Evan Bayh is handing to the GOP in Indana.

Win/Win, mammajmmers!

83
hahaha, RUSH just punked ME!

Well played, Rush. Well played.

84

Aren't the tax increases still in effect?

That's where the funds come from. Either that or what's left of S.S.

85 he is not a conservative and does way more harm as a Republican holding the seat than any D possibly could.

Posted by: nine coconuts at April 01, 2010 12:10 PM (DHNp4)

Sorry but that is one of the more delusional statements I have read on here. McCain has done some things that piss me off. So did Reagan, the 1986 tax increase comes to mind immediatley but I am sure I could think of a few more. Bush pissed me off too, medicare part d.

Does that mean that I would rather have had Al Gore, Kerry, Mondale or some democrat asshole from Arizona in the government instead? No.

86 I see your point, but a D holding the seat doesn't get Tom Coburn or Jim DeMint into any positions of authority within the Senate.

Neither does McCain.

87 I sense a dark disturbance coming...the GOP takes control of Congress in Nov. 2010...they waffle on repeal...they pass a VAT to fund the monstrosity...the Tea-Party movement becomes an actual Party....the Dem's take back congress and Barry is reelected in 2012... matters are worse... crap.

88

#67

As to McShame, he will be taken out in the primary by JD, after which McShame will spend his retirement sticking his nose into politics and trying to push all the crap he's famous for.  He might even show up in this administration, as their point man for aiding and abetting illegals.  It won't matter.  McShame will end his life as one of the most reviled politicians in American history - though still orders of magnitude behind the Indonesian Imbecile, if that's any comfort to the prick. 

Man, I sure hope you are right.

89 A lot of those reps who got through bending us over in health care were dems who ran as conservatives...

And they will face the music at the next election. Their mask is off (yeah, excepting those that were not needed since mcbotox had extra votes) A dem that runs conservative and votes liberal eventually will pay at the polls. A Reub that runs conservative and votes liberal and does not pay is a lose-lose for the conservative cause.

90
I think Hayworth has a better chance winning the general than does McCain. McCain is the wrong man to back in 2010.

91
anyone know if AZ has open/closed primaries?

92 Its a trap!

93

The toothless Maverick must be desperate to appeal to conservatives considering all the scar tissue on our backs from that cocksucker's shivs.  Fuck him.

94 I remember when McCain gave his stirring speech at the 2008 convention, "fight, fight, fight" and then promptly stopped fighting.

95 I would love to see John McCain punch the Democrats in the nose. Not shake hands with them every chance he gets, and makes that big smile of his every time he does.

96

Tweeted by Amanda Carpenter: make. it. stop. http://bit.ly/b4VttU

A new entrant in the when-it-rains-it-pours category.

The Republican National Committee sent a fundraising mail piece earlier this month with a return number that leads to a phone sex line offering "live, one-on-one talk with a nasty girl who will do anything you want for just  $2.99 per minute."

97

 (disregarding effect on supermajority status and such)

Heh, you should maybe think about statements like that

98

It takes a special kind of dickhead to lose to a totally inexperienced Muslim Marxist traitor  in the middle of a war.

It's our boy, MAAAAAAAAA-verick!

99 Neither does McCain.

Explain.

100

I hate democrats but I also hate "moderates". It's the moderates that cause all the trouble.

101 anyone know if AZ has open/closed primaries?

they just switched to closed, but McCain is fighting it I think

102 There is no longer this myth that "reasonable" R's actually agree with D's.

Read any MSM articles about Lindsay Graham and "climate change" lately?

103 Obama is actaully a pretty nice guy.  We need to give him a chance.

104 I sense a dark disturbance coming...the GOP takes control of Congress in Nov. 2010...they waffle on repeal...they pass a VAT to fund the monstrosity...the Tea-Party movement becomes an actual Party....the Dem's take back congress and Barry is reelected in 2012... matters are worse... crap.

Posted by: Paladin at April 01, 2010 12:24 PM (WGbtD)

Cheer up.  This nation wouldn't last, intact, through 4 years of the Indonesian Imbecile.  If what you are saying were to come to be, the United States might decide to re-elect the ineligible retard but that US wouldn't include the bulk of the energy states, which would have split off to form a union that is actually beholden to the Constitution and the American creed.  The remaining shell of the US would have nothing (as even the remaining energy states, like California, don't allow their energy to be used) and would be a dead letter within a decade.

105 Whatever John McCain says, I'll believe the opposite until the primary is over.

106 As long as we keep RINOs like McCain in the Party the R label declines. He drives away more voters than he attracts.

107

Maybe McCain can run of the Albino Zombie ticket if he loses.

108

Whatever John McCain says, I'll believe the opposite until the primary is over.

What he said.

109 Republicans need men like John McCain. He puts the face of moderation on the party. You are getting sleepy. Very, very sleepy.

110 Think people aren't fooled by McCain any more.  I mean how do you accept the republican party presidential nomination and then proceed to endorse your opponent and throw your vice presidential running mate under the bus and expect to be re elected by the same people you step on on a regular basis?

111 At least one Republican hasn't gone wobbly. Yet.

Posted by: Jollyroger at April 01, 2010 11:52 AM (pnMfF)

Try him the Wednesday morning after election in November.

112 You guys do know that Hayworth couldn't even win his own red district against a democrat in red Arizona don't you?

113 Gabe just tweeted this: Another Obama nominee under fire: http://is.gd/b9TYu   President Barack Obama has nominated an anti-missile defense adviser who may soon receive congressional approval Â— and put Americans in danger.   Enter Philip Coyle, the man Obama wants as his associate director of national security and international affairs in the Office of Science and Technology Policy. If confirmed, Coyle has indicated he would advise the administration to divest of BMDS.

114 Lesbians11!!11!1!1!1!11!1!!

115 Where!?

116

Anybody watch Hannity last night? He had on the AG of Utah & Colonel Gibson from yesterdays thread (I think, was lurking here while watching TV) Anyhoo...They both were very energetic & optomistic about repeal, gave me hope, didn't wake up this morning as awnry as usual...just sayin, carry on.

   

117 According to the Ike Turner Style and Etiquette Handbook, DrewM, you'd be characterized as an Enabler.

118 Right now I like that McCain is fighting back against the 'it can't be done' narrative that is starting to take hold.

There's a movie you need to see.

John McCain's

N E V E R

H E L P I N G

At best, he's trying to make the press "fight" his, so when he gives it up (which he will, first chance he gets), the whole fight is officially over.

At best.

119 1. of course number 50, or 51 or 60 is important, but we can not attribute that importance to every candidate in every election. That would be foolish.
2. Of course Gore would be worse than McCain in that seat, but Gore could not win that seat. (my wording was hyperbolic, I admit)

The point is that R's are fighting against a popular impression that conservatism is unreasonable. Kids think we hate gays and poor. Liberals think we just want to exploit the middle class and minorities. etc. R is a party built on principles, and whenever we make exceptions we destroy the brand. All we have is the brand.

The D's have a coalition, and their brand is meaningless since they run on issues -- vote D to get more Obama money, get free healthcare, get more money for your union. get citizenship,...

I don't want to teach polysci 101 since that would be punching down, , oh god i sound like someguy and hereby repent. forget everything i ever posted ....

vote maverick!

120

Neither does McCain.

Explain.

That needs to be explained?

Tom Coburn and Jim DeMint do NOT hold any positions of authority within the senate. They're practically pariahs.

A party full of McCains, if it were to win a majority, would be led by a bunch of McCains. It would never promote DeMint to leadership.

Wasn't DeMint actually the guy McCain told to fuck off because he 'knew more then anyone in the room'? There's no love lost here.

And leadership in the senate is mostly handed out on terms of seniority, and who's turn everything is. If you want DeMint in a leadership position, a whole bunch of dinosaurs are standing between those two things.

John McCain will sooner be Senate (majority/minority) Leader then Jim DeMint.

121

The best gift we can get from McNasty is to dump'em to influence other rinos such as Gramnesty. If he's shitcanned then all rinos are in trouble.

 

Go JD or who ever.GO!!!

122 My big issue is how to stop throwing up a little in my mouth when I think of McCain.

123 You guys do know that Hayworth couldn't even win his own red district against a democrat in red Arizona don't you?

That was then. This is now. Vote most conservative in the primary.

124

Wow!  Those dems are actually very humble, aren't they?

http://tinyurl.com/yhlw4k8

Via HotAir headlines

125 O/T..Are the census forms still being mailed out?
Not seen hide nor hair of any forms or live people. Not that it worries me but just curious.

126 McCain is against new posts, enough said.

127

The point is that R's are fighting against a popular impression that conservatism is unreasonable. Kids think we hate gays and poor. Liberals think we just want to exploit the middle class and minorities. etc.

And whenever you try to convince them we don't just hate everyone by backing away from conservative policies, it reinforces the idea that conservative policies are hateful.

128 Can haz new thread?

129 John McCain keeps sending me stuff asking for money.  I keep sending it back saying that he threw the election.   I'm not the only independent American who has had it with McCain. 

130 Antimatter @125:  Try Botox.  Sure, it'll keep you from being able to talk, but it's totally worth it, and you never say anything anyone wants to hear about anyway.

131 My big issue is how to stop throwing up a little in my mouth when I think of McCain.

Posted by: Antimatter at April 01, 2010 12:39 PM (gbCNS)

Stop eating.  There's no other way.

132 "128 O/T..Are the census forms still being mailed out?
Not seen hide nor hair of any forms or live people. Not that it worries me but just curious.

Posted by: sig at April 01, 2010 12:42 PM (2i+Vz)"

Haven't gotten any forms either.  Nor any promise of any forms.  Was thinking maybe they are only doing the census in red states and making the blue states up?

133

130 Entropy:

 

THREAD WINNER

134 Funny isn't it, how all of these so called moderates seem to grow a pair the minute they need to get re-elected and then suddenly veer sharply left again once they do?

If any voter in Arizona is stupid enough to fall for this then they deserve exactly what they get, sadly though the rest of us will end up paying for that stupidity in droves as well.

I'll be donating to Hayworth's campaign again shortly, I recommend other like minded individuals do the same.  McCain is exactly the sort of "Republican" we don't need, someone who will throw us and all conservative principles under the bus the minute he thinks it's safe to do so.

He's been doing this shit for years, and I see absolutely no indication that he'll change now.  While I'm glad he's speaking out against the Republican retreat and surrender strategy on Obamacare, I'm sorry I'm just not buying it.

It smacks of a cynical attempt at regaining the conservative support he's lost in his home state, as evidenced by Hayworth's current standing there in the polls.  I think the best thing for McCain, and for America, is for him to get ousted in this next election.

He was given a choice, several times, between Main Stream Media approval and conservative principles.  Time after time he went with the MSM.  Time for him to reap what he has sown.

135 How that would play out is tough to say at this point. My guess is Obama would win out in the end.

I don't think this is correct. In these standoffs I think the President wins when he is looking to have something cut from a bill and considered separately, not added in.
The Repubs can simply say we will have a separate appropriations bill for health care with a separate bill like defense. It's up to the President to show why it must be in THIS bill, always an uphill battle. The President knows you get very different vote counts, and bills, for omnibus versus stand alone bills which is why they are always sliding this stuff in under the table.

136 A party full of McCains, if it were to win a majority, would be led by a bunch of McCains.

You've convinced me.  A permanent majority of Reids, Schumers, and Harkins is much, much better.

137 Posted by: Entropy at April 01, 2010 12:42 PM (IsLT6)

thx. that is what i meant

138
A party full of McCains, if it were to win a majority, would be led by a bunch of McCains. It would never promote DeMint to leadership.
And that's what put Pelosi and Reid in charge the last time around to "drain the (Rino) swamp".

139 If McCain really goes after Zerocare whole hog, I'll take back all the really vile things I've said about him in the past. His daughter, however, still maintains the vacuum of space within her cute but chunky skull.

140

Haven't gotten any forms either.  Nor any promise of any forms.  Was thinking maybe they are only doing the census in red states and making the blue states up?

Posted by: curious at April 01, 2010 12:44 PM (p302b)

I got the form in PA.  They have a very odd question, in addition to the race question, asking only about whether you are hispanic or of spanish origin.  I have not a clue what the hell that is all about or why it was allowed on.  It is insane.  There is even a note saying that the tow questions - the separate hispanic and race questions - overlap but should both be filled out by hispanics.  Pure insanity.

141 Get him on the record on specific things, "I will not vote for X.  I will vote for Y."  Ultimately you have to trust him to do these things, but the more you get him on the record, the better it is if he does get elected.  Ditto with JD.  This ain't a Crist/Rubio situation.

142 My friends, I won't come in your mouth. Trust me.

143 I have the feeling there would be big support for a govt. shutdown even with the media disadvantage.

144

Not a big McCain fan and I have no trust at all in his staying with this. But I'm at least glad to hear that his initial ploy isn't to start out by suggesting that Republicans need to reach across the aisle and then asking Obama what he would like to see the Republicans do.

Yesterday this time we were griping about the GOP taking their negotiating chips off the table before the battle has really been joined. Better at this stage to see some people putting a few chips back on the table than the talk of tinkering around the edges of the bill and "keeping the good things".

145 Barry and McCain have something big in common.

They both veer left from their campaign promises when elected

146 124

The best gift we can get from McNasty is to dump'em to influence other rinos such as Gramnesty. If he's shitcanned then all rinos are in trouble.

 

Go JD or who ever.GO!!!

Posted by: Serfer62 at April 01, 2010 12:39 PM (HLCnI)

True.  Not only do the democrats need to go in November, the RINOs need to be sent a very clear message that their squishy positions are unacceptable.

147

OT -

Gotta give creds for those metalic cajones: http://tinyurl.com/ygu6u2z

 

148 133 Antimatter @125:  Try Botox.  Sure, it'll keep you from being able to talk, but it's totally worth it, and you never say anything anyone wants to hear about anyway.

Posted by: Truman North

Eat me; it might make you throw up a little in your mouth.

149 Rush just played the "Guam tipping over audio clip"

150 My friends, Senate seats are basically a lifetime appoinment.  I'm not going anywhere.

151

I not only got the form, I got 4 reminder postcards, and this morning Mayor Nutter was at my subway stop with a bunch of kids who were handing out "Don't forget!!!!!!" cards. We wouldn't want Philly to denied it's fair share , now.

152

agree w/ 145.

and Perhaps Palin has helped bring McCain around?...that and the prospect of losing his job.  Whatever the source of McCain's inspriation, it is very helpful to have the GOP standard bearer of 08 fully on board w/ repeal, to help stem the flow of GOP squishes back to what they think is safer ground.

153

That's a nice offer!

154 I'll be donating to Hayworth's campaign again shortly, I recommend other like minded individuals do the same.  McCain is exactly the sort of "Republican" we don't need, someone who will throw us and all conservative principles under the bus the minute he thinks it's safe to do so.

He's been doing this shit for years, and I see absolutely no indication that he'll change now.

Posted by: StuckOnStupid at April 01, 2010 12:45 PM (e8T35)

The interminable prick did exactly that during the Presidential election.  The minute he was up in the polling (right after picking Palin) he went to La Raza and told them that he would be pushing his treasonous aiding and abetting of illegals as his highest priority.  And that was while all of us kept our mouths shut about his insane, criminal desire to give extra citizenships to criminals who are already citizens of other countries, in order to avoid the greater evil of the Indonesian Imbecile.

155

142 His daughter, however, still maintains the vacuum of space within her cute but chunky skull.

You so sweet dog!

 

156 John McCain's core principles all boil down to Whatever Is Good For John McCain.  He's the Bill O'Reilly of elected politics.

157 If only there was someway to show how being soft on illegal immigration causes budget problems for local and state governments.

158

and Perhaps Palin has helped bring McCain around?

Posted by: Louis Tully at April 01, 2010 12:54 PM (jat5l)

Doubtful.  I hope that Palin realizes that the slack people are giving her in stumping for McShame is going to disappear pretty quickly.  The argument of personal loyalty is hollow (governance is not a personal issue) and will not make it past the next few weeks.

159 My point is that as long as we have RINOs like McCain people like Beck can say there is no difference between he Rs and the Ds and all should join the Paulbots.

And where is Steele?  According to HH he is out meeting with the amnesty people getting set for round III instead of fixing the damn primary rules that gave us McCain with 30% of the vote.

That is the real problem. Not just that conservatives did not get the candidate that they wanted, but that the candidate we got was only supported by 30%, hated by 30%, and 10% were indifferent.

A large portion of the 30% that hated his sorry as stayed at home in 08. The old strategy of the "lesser of two evils" because "what's the damn difference, they are both evil SOBs".

If it had not been for Sarah Palin it would have been a 50 State blowout.  

160 Breaking news:  IL mayor shot to death per fox.

Man, I really hate to be snarky and prayers for his family, but some of the toughest gun laws are in IL.  When will liberals learn?

161

Remember, the GOP is a club.  Their club goal is to take and hold seats, not to govern in any particular way.  Michael Steele makes the (correct) assumption, SarahPalin makes the (correct) assumption, etc etc, that the incumbent has a much better chance of winning than the primary challenger.

Do not expect the GOP to suddenly go all ethical or consistent on us.  Expect them to back their best chance to win.

162

Man, I really hate to be snarky and prayers for his family, but some of the toughest gun laws are in IL.  When will liberals learn?

Some do! Then they are called conservatives.

163

123  Wasn't DeMint actually the guy McCain told to fuck off because he 'knew more then anyone in the room'? There's no love lost here.

No, that was John "amend, don't repeal" Cornyn.

164 re 98: 'The Republican National Committee sent a fundraising mail piece earlier this month with a return number that leads to a phone sex line offering "live, one-on-one talk with a nasty girl who will do anything you want for just $2.99 per minute." ' What was the number? I want to make a contribution. Beats pissing away my money sending it to the RNC.

165 Gotta go folks. Invasion of the in-laws today.

166 Goddamn, Progressoverpeace @67, I'm intrigued by your views and would like to subscribe to your newsletter!

167
sounds like the mayor was banging another broad...

168

162  pop,

Maybe.  I'm for anyone who is going to help us send the socialists packing. That obviously includes Palin and if McCain is deciding that includes him, too, works for me.  I'm tired of losing bet the country votes.

169

The Pubbies party will not be able to heal itself unless that lying fuck McCain is sent packing.

He is that toxic.

A D- in Arizona is better than McCain's relentless backstabbing and bolstering up of the RINO wing.

170

After that clusterfuck in 2008, running for another term is chutzpah deluxe for that old prick.

Even Dole knew when to throw in the towel and go off to sell boner pills.

 

171

Do not expect the GOP to suddenly go all ethical or consistent on us.  Expect them to back their best chance to win.

Posted by: Truman North at April 01, 2010 01:02 PM (e8YaH)

Two words: Arlen Spector.

172 so he's old and crusty and untrustworthy, but it's 2 AM and the bar's closing, so what can you do?

Posted by: KilltheHippies at April 01, 2010 11:59 AM (VKfXw)

Go home alone with my dignity intact.

173

A permanent majority of Reids, Schumers, and Harkins is much, much better.

It ends in the same place either way.

All you can argue for is a Republican Party that serves as a socialist snooze button. It's not fighting to win, just to buy a bit more time to drag out the experience of losing. Let the fundemental transformation of America into the antithesis of it's original values occur, just transform it a bit slower please.

And there is some justice to it.

I'll not help you keep pushing back your bill. It is due.

174 Hell even the maine wonder twins hung tough

Posted by: Jollyroger at April 01, 2010 12:13 PM (pnMfF)

Actually, it was Snowe who gave the decisive vote for cloture to let this monstrosity come up for discussion in the first place.  Remember, history came calling?  On that alone, she should go and take that other weak sister with her.

175 "49 Sorry, but McCain is all we got--we need him. On the other hand, it would be fun, and possibly valuable if someone, in person, called him on how he will RINO-out on us." McCAIN IS ALL WE'VE GOT?!111!!!?? RODINA, RODINA, DOSVYEDANYA RODINA...!

176 I know supporting McCain only ends in tears but for now...go Mav!

Are you sure about this course of action?

177 If you trust McCain to hold the fort for conservatives, then I'm guessing you'd buy the London Bridge from him, too.

If the environment for replacing statists by relative non-statists or older-blood with newer-blood isn't here now, then it never will be. These occasional political tsunamis are exactly when you must make a point even at the risk of losing because the odds of losing are as minimal as possible. Liberalism is now out. Statism is now out. Incumbency is not out yet, but it's surely frowned upon. Old faces that have a bad record are out. If another serious candidate had challenged McCain from the Right, I'd have looked at him/her. There aren't, so Hayworth wins because I'm unwilling to trust McCain.

I've just made my first donation to Hayworth's campaign. This round of SarahPAC funds has been re-diverted. This isn't personal. It's business. Mostly.

178  Someone up thread stated that J.D. couldn't win re-election in a red state. 4 years ago MANY repubs in red states lost. Hayworth was targeted by the DCC, and had false charges (ala Stevens in Alaska) filed, the charges were dismissed without merit, but not until he lost. Someone else said back McCain or a dem would take the seat. No way that will happen, the winner of the Republican primary will win election, although J.D. would have a much better chance as conservatives will not sit it out.

179 Hmmmm.

"As I said the day after this bill passed, it was Day 1. All past transgressions were forgotten (not necessarily forgiven) for anyone willing to fight this fight. I know supporting McCain only ends in tears but for now...go Mav!"

Not a frigging chance.  If the choice is between supporting McCain and living with Healthcare reform, I'll live with Healthcare reform.  Sure it'll trash the country.  Possibly even break the country in half.

Maybe it's time that happened.

But support McCain?  Fuck no.

180 If you believe anything Juan McCain on anything you are as big an asshole as he is, hombre.

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