May 11, 2010
— Gabriel Malor Well known Honest Abe Eliot Spitzer says Kagan's not gay. So do some other people we've never heard of:
Walzer, half amused and half appalled to be discussing her friend’s sexual orientation, agreed to be interviewed after Kagan’s supporters decided they should tactfully put an end to the rumor, which White House officials had already tried to squelch in background interviews with reporters. She said she decided to talk to POLITICO because the discussion of Kagan’s personal life has become a “distraction.”
I don't know what to believe. Certainly Kagan's friends have a suspect motive in pushing whatever story is most advantageous for getting her through the confirmation circus. I'm assuming that claiming she's straight would work best, but really, anything solid is probably better than the quiet privacy Kagan and the White House adopted initially.
They're right that the whole "is she or isn't she" question overwhelmed the initial discussion in the media and the blogosphere. Today's absurdities include oversensitive gay groups claiming that the Wall Street Journal was gay-baiting by running the decades-old photo of Kagan playing softball. It saw Andrew Sullivan waging a campaign to out Kagan (safe link) and actually suggesting that she shouldn't be confirmed unless she is forced out of the closet.
Will this Politico piece put the "distraction" to rest? Not a chance.
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Posted by: Fish at May 11, 2010 08:02 PM (mTAG8)
Posted by: Zimriel at May 11, 2010 08:05 PM (urmM1)
Posted by: eddiebear at May 11, 2010 08:07 PM (fNaXu)
Posted by: Jollyroger at May 11, 2010 08:08 PM (8kgSa)
Posted by: Have Blue at May 11, 2010 08:08 PM (mV+es)
Her actions in her various public offices offend me. What she does in the back of her Subaru, not so much.
Posted by: Atomic Roach at May 11, 2010 08:09 PM (Oxen1)
Posted by: A Sullivan at May 11, 2010 08:09 PM (8kgSa)
Could not care less, even if I was passed out in a drunken stupor.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at May 11, 2010 08:11 PM (afd0I)
Every word uttered about this non-issue is one wasted in not attacking her pathetic defense of socialism and her shellacking by Scalia and Kennedy in the first minute of her oral arguments in Citizens United.
Posted by: Andy at May 11, 2010 08:11 PM (NjN7i)
Posted by: cthulhu at May 11, 2010 08:23 PM (fYgoq)
Posted by: Patton at May 11, 2010 08:23 PM (xvN1A)
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Elena Kagan is Trig's true mother!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Sully the Magnificent at May 11, 2010 08:24 PM (Xsi7M)
We have more important things to worry about. Like when the hell is Obama going to put gas in my Jeep, pay my rent and buy my groceries?
Posted by: mpfs at May 11, 2010 08:26 PM (QuP9W)
Posted by: Some White Guy at May 11, 2010 08:27 PM (Ktq3v)
Who the hell cares?
Normal people aren't sodomites.
Normal people are also vastly more likely to show fealty to the old values, like, ah, liberty.
Normal people also have enough common sense to know that sodomite = bad, bad news.
Posted by: at May 11, 2010 08:30 PM (J+UTa)
This seems like a strange reaction (half amused and half appalled) from a person who probably loves discussing gay issues and, I would guess, has no problem pushing a gay lifestyle into everyone's face, including kids. But, when it is a simple question about someone who looks like the textbook example of a bull dyke, they are amused and appalled. Given the fact that one of Kagan's most notorious and dumbest positions was involving gays in the military (for which her idiotic argument was shot down by the SCOTUS, unanimously, thereby proving that she is way out of the mainstream, even for the batshit crazy leftists currently on the Court) they are surprised that anyone would discuss the personal side of the gay issue, if just out of curiosity - as it is so "in your face".
Typical for the left. I'm not amused by it, but certainly appalled.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 11, 2010 08:34 PM (Qp4DT)
Posted by: cthulhu at May 11, 2010 08:36 PM (fYgoq)
There are "normal" hetero-sexual married couples who like the squeak hole action. Try again.
Normal people are also vastly more likely to show fealty to the old values, like, ah, liberty.
Your the one trying to limit freedom here...
Normal people also have enough common sense to know that sodomite = bad, bad news.
I know of no definition of "sodomite" which routinely gets applied to homosexual women. Either one who enjoys sodomy, or denizen of the now destroyed city of Sodom in antiquity. Try English next time. You'll sound more credible
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at May 11, 2010 08:41 PM (afd0I)
Normal people aren't sodomites.
Normal people are also vastly more likely to show fealty to the old values, like, ah, liberty.
Normal people also have enough common sense to know that sodomite = bad, bad news.
I'll take this one morons.
Blow it out your ass douchebag.
Posted by: mpfs at May 11, 2010 08:42 PM (QuP9W)
Does Kagan even have female genitalia? It is questions like these we need not fear but must debate, openly and proudly, in the public arena. How does she feel about male genital mutilation? As a Jew, didn't Kagan undergo this horror if the answer to the first question is "no"? I know there are some things we never will know, such as how many died in George W. Bush's satellite-based torture chambers and how it would be to bottom for the president, but isn't it fucking time we asked Kagan if she is adroit with her tongue and with whom?
If not now, when? If not Kagan, who?
If Obama doesn't come clean about this woman--if she indeed be a woman--the tension and drama will force me to turn this site over to guest bloggers. AND THAT WOULD BE WRONG WHEN SO MANY QUESTIONS REMAIN UNANSWERED...and don't get me started on Richard Gere and PETA.
Posted by: A. S. at May 11, 2010 08:44 PM (5nM3U)
Normal people aren't Supreme Court Justices either...
NTTAWWTSeriously?
I should care about this precisely why?
I find her "identity" as a creature of academe far more problematic than her choice of bowling partners.
Posted by: Deety (thinking about changing nic to potatobug) at May 11, 2010 08:45 PM (aVzyR)
Posted by: Never Mind at May 11, 2010 08:48 PM (GCEkp)
Posted by: A. S. at May 11, 2010 08:52 PM (5nM3U)
Wow - the neo-conservatism is pretty thick at AoSHQ.
I thought this was supposed to be a conservative site.
But I guess not.
Anyway, allow me to reiterate: Sodomites = bad, bad news.
Normal people have enough common sense left to realize that.
Sorry y'all neo-cons have swallowed the koolaid [hook, line, and sinker], but that's just the way it is: Sodomites = bad, bad news.
Posted by: at May 11, 2010 08:56 PM (J+UTa)
Posted by: A. S. at May 11, 2010 08:58 PM (5nM3U)
Posted by: I graduated law school and all I got was this fucking clerkship at May 11, 2010 09:04 PM (5nM3U)
Short version: teh ghey might not be your cup o' tea, but harping on... and on... and ON about it is unseemly.
Posted by: Zimriel at May 11, 2010 09:05 PM (urmM1)
Posted by: Burt TC at May 11, 2010 09:08 PM (fSQAV)
#39: Make that "unqualified" and drop the "nominally." The Left's whole exercise in this sexual orientation nonsense is to distract from the fact this woman makes Harriet Miers look like Oliver Wendell Holmes. I think the Senate Republicans will expose Kagan as the joke she is and she will be confirmed and it will leave a bad taste in everyone involved's mouth. I don't think the gay community will be pleased being used as Obama's whores, and those who object to them will see a reasonable attempt was made to stop her.
I'm glad such a lightweight has been nominated. Despite her fat ass she couldn't sway a bass boat in a tornado.
Posted by: I graduated law school and all I got was this fucking clerkship at May 11, 2010 09:15 PM (5nM3U)
Posted by: theCork at May 11, 2010 09:16 PM (L0cxG)
Posted by: Aaron at May 11, 2010 09:16 PM (XUIJ5)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at May 11, 2010 09:24 PM (VBqq0)
I honestly can't understand why you are being so critical about her looks.
Posted by: Frank Luntz's Mother at May 11, 2010 09:25 PM (aVzyR)
Posted by: Burt TC at May 12, 2010 01:08 AM (fSQAV)
Bullshit. I think America is sick of being force fed crap that they don't like and don't want.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 11, 2010 09:25 PM (Qp4DT)
Posted by: moi at May 11, 2010 09:29 PM (Ez4Ql)
Oh, I don't know about that.
I think I know what he thinks it means...
Truth be told, I did wake up feeling kind of Jewy today.
Posted by: Deety at May 11, 2010 09:29 PM (aVzyR)
Posted by: Burt TC at May 12, 2010 01:08 AM (fSQAV)
Bullshit. I think America is sick of being force fed crap
that they don't like and don't want.
Oh come on, man!
Obama does need to make some kind of gesture to the gay community. And this is somehow some attempt to make one, or at least send some idea that the right hates gays or something.
And she's not even gay (officially, anyway, I kinda suspect she is gay), so there's really no 'America being force fed crap' on this issue. Sure, she's a terrible nomination, but I wonder if anyone will really understand that until years from now.
Of course the left benefits from placating the gay community. They are wealthier and more politically involved than the general population, by a long shot. I think a lot of the 'we swear she isn't gay!' is a blatant attempt to imply the right is bashing her for being gay rather than the real reasons we have a problem with her.
I respect the hell out of Kagan for keeping her private life private. I wish everyone simply refused to discuss this kind of crap. She's a terrible nomination, but this is her private life, and I wish everyone refused to discuss that stuff.
Posted by: Lex Luthor, Ruler of Australia at May 11, 2010 09:31 PM (dUOK+)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at May 11, 2010 09:31 PM (VBqq0)
A lot of people are wondering if Elena Kagan is gay.
Well let me definitively answer that question for you.
I know Elena.
I had sex with Elena. Many times.
Any questions?
Posted by: Pat at May 11, 2010 09:35 PM (OCfDT)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at May 11, 2010 09:39 PM (VBqq0)
I had sex with Elena. Many times.
Any questions?
Posted by: Pat at May 12, 2010 01:35 AM (OCfDT)
That's a damnable lie!
No one is closer to Elena than I.
Posted by: Terry at May 11, 2010 09:43 PM (aVzyR)
That wasn't Burt's point. He claimed that we lose by opposing her. We don't. We lose by not opposing her.
>>>They are wealthier and more politically involved than the general population, by a long shot. I think a lot of the 'we swear she isn't gay!' is a blatant attempt to imply the right is bashing her for being gay rather than the real reasons we have a problem with her.
The gay community isn't powerful. It's loud, and it's fashionable for many to be with them, but there is no power there. California just voted down gay marriage. Again.
I don't think anyone cares about her gayness, but she is so obviously gay that it offends the intellect to play coy about it. And the idea that the left are, all of a sudden, 'amused and shocked' that anyone would ask (given the pictures, I mean, sheesh) is a pathetically lame. The same people who are gung ho for johnny applefister being the safe schools czar are too demure to acknowledge what most people can see.
>>>I respect the hell out of Kagan for keeping her private life private.
It's other people's private lives she likes screwing around with.
>>>I wish everyone simply refused to discuss this kind of crap. She's a terrible nomination, but this is her private life, and I wish everyone refused to discuss that stuff.
Posted by: Lex Luthor, Ruler of Australia at May 12, 2010 01:31 AM (dUOK+)
Like I said, I doubt anyone cares that she's gay, but her side has made a minor issue of it. Beyond that, as I wrote above, her backing of one of the dumbest cases ever to come before the SCOTUS should be enough to recognize that she is not SCOTUS material, in any way.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 11, 2010 09:44 PM (Qp4DT)
This "does she or doesn't she" schtick is just a distraction. I think it is out of the dem playbook. The play: excite the bible bangers to a single issue froth about gayness. It is foolish to take the bait [got lost in the punching up/down/sideways thing so I'll stick with antiquated cliches].
There are two general lines of attack and of course the Pubs appear to only focus on one and appear ready to concede. That would be reciting the substantive grounds to reject EK, e.g., no judicial experience, no paper trail, she may be gay . . .
Logically, it is germane and [all but the gay part] should be part of the decision. Substance is important. But why overlook the non-personal. Rather than focus on her alone, why not focus on the process and how the Ds seek to corrupt the process. You know thats what they do.
Why even concede there is no paper trail? Isn't there one in all the Sol Gen docs. Didn't she advise President Clinton in an official capacity. Take one from the Dems and argue that the Ds are hiding the paper trail because it hasn't been produced and it is damning. Even if there is no paper trail, DEMAND it anyway. Make the Ds explain it. Ask what's the hurry. Remind the voters that we got a lot of dumb ass legislation with this hurry up routine.
Dovetails nice with the corrupt healthcare shenanagins and all the other clever BS the dems have been pulling. Even if you ultimately lose the fight, you've softened the target for November, reminding the public of the Dem sleaze factor. Remind voters of other D candidates who conveniently forget important things later. Remind the voters that Eric Holder, that profile in courage, called the American people cowards AFTER his nomination had been confirmed. [Personally it would be more courageous to call Americans cowards during the hearings, but that's just me.] The point: Dems don't tell the truth when they want something. When you're stuck with them, that's another story. So how is EK any different.
And you need to get back to substance at that point. Push into her face her 1995 law review article about the necessity of knowing the judicial philosophy of Sup Ct justices. Ask her why she's never been interested enough about it to write about it. Ask her why she believes she is above the law she professes to love so much. Ask how she mediated the JAG Harvard kerfuffle with the Pentagon since she can mediate the factions, as a bringer of peace and light. Ask her how she can objectively judge her buddy's "legacy" when it comes before the Court. Will she not hear the case if Citizen United Congressional fixes come before the court.
Where's the Tylenol?
Posted by: Mr. Barky at May 11, 2010 09:46 PM (bZW6t)
Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 12, 2010 01:44 AM (Qp4DT)"
Well, anyone who gives a shit to check can easily see you're right. She's not close to qualified. I listened to her argue a case, Citizen's United, and she comes across as a fucking idiot, and I think the Justices felt the same way.
But whether America is sick of it or not remains to be seen, and in particular, I think a lot of gays are delusional about politics and are buying the democrat's classic 'you are a victim and need us!' shtick. Broadcasting defenses of Kagan, implying that the right hates her for lesbianism that isn't even demonstrated, probably will be the topic of many fund raising emails this week. I bet it's at least somewhat effective.
Posted by: Lex Luthor, Ruler of Australia at May 11, 2010 09:54 PM (dUOK+)
Well, to be honest, during the hearings I kind of assumed that the low character of the American people was pretty much understood as a given by that audience.
Preaching to the choir and all that...
But, probably a fair criticism. I shall take that under advisement.
Posted by: Eric Holder at May 11, 2010 09:58 PM (aVzyR)
Posted by: Randy at May 11, 2010 10:09 PM (GtTYq)
Posted by: Ernest P. Worrell at May 11, 2010 10:09 PM (bOdkT)
Posted by: theCork at May 11, 2010 10:10 PM (L0cxG)
Watch her getting pwned in her only Supreme Court appearance and tell me if she's fit for the highest court in the land.
Posted by: logprof at May 11, 2010 10:10 PM (Mmw0q)
They do seem to be birds of a feather. My only question at this point is which of the two has a worse understanding of the facts of the case.
Posted by: Andy at May 11, 2010 10:19 PM (NjN7i)
Posted by: cthulhu at May 11, 2010 11:07 PM (fYgoq)
It saw Andrew Sullivan waging a campaign to out Kagan (safe link) and actually suggesting that she shouldn't be confirmed unless she is forced out of the closet.
No one knows if she's gay, and they're just assuming it based on her looks or something. ? That's fucking creepy. "Forced out of the closet" because he knows. Right.
Posted by: rdbrewer at May 11, 2010 11:24 PM (U6zSc)
Posted by: Lunatic, What Comes From the Fringe at May 11, 2010 11:38 PM (uFdnM)
Posted by: sexypig at May 12, 2010 12:08 AM (ppyEh)
Posted by: Vic at May 12, 2010 12:50 AM (6taRI)
Posted by: di butler, unlicensed pharmacist at May 12, 2010 12:59 AM (S3xX1)
Posted by: Natasha & Boris at May 12, 2010 01:07 AM (ITzbJ)
Posted by: Thorvald at May 12, 2010 02:26 AM (wnMfp)
Posted by: ray at May 12, 2010 04:10 AM (ykKLX)
The Dems told one lie after another and they all went unanswered. Yes, she will get nominated in a cakewalk because the RINOs will bend over to kiss her ass and the rest will stick to the pussy meme "this is not a battle to fight".
Posted by: Vic at May 12, 2010 04:16 AM (6taRI)
Posted by: Sphynx at May 12, 2010 04:38 AM (6QirU)
Shocking footage of Elena Kagan playing in a band!
Posted by: chemjeff at May 12, 2010 04:45 AM (Gk/wA)
She did it like this, she did it like that, she did it with a whiffle ball bat.
Posted by: Mike D at May 12, 2010 04:52 AM (wuv1c)
I think those all qualify her as a no vote from our senate.
Posted by: J at May 12, 2010 04:53 AM (T3/qP)
Posted by: Sarahw at May 12, 2010 05:00 AM (Z4T49)
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at May 12, 2010 05:20 AM (DrGKS)
Posted by: ippolita at May 12, 2010 05:35 AM (lB/5N)
Posted by: societyis2blame at May 12, 2010 05:43 AM (7ZyYf)
Posted by: Hatchet Five at May 12, 2010 05:52 AM (U2eNA)
Posted by: societyis2blame at May 12, 2010 05:55 AM (7ZyYf)
Sodomite still does not apply to homosexual women BTW.
Tell that to Princess Donna and Celia Vega [sorry, no hot links - you'll have to google it for yourself].
And I will re-iterate one more time: Sodomites are bad, BAD news.
They are not normal people.
They are not interested in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
They are not interested in truth, justice, and the American way.
There is always an ulterior motive with a sodomite [just as there is always an ulterior motive with a Jew, or, as in this case, a Jewess] - some hidden agenda, some cabalistic conspiracy.
Always.
They are never what they appear to be.
You cede authority to your society over to them at your peril.
Posted by: at May 12, 2010 06:16 AM (J+UTa)
With Sotomayor, it was *all* about the personal story. Sotomayor's sole qualification was that she was a "wise Latina woman" capable of empathy. That's the ludicrous bar by which she made it to the bench, making a mockery of Constitutional jurisprudence.
Okay, then if that's the measure, now let's hear all about Kagan's personal story. Why not, there's nothing else to recommend her, and as of Sotomayor it's not out of bounds. As someone said, your given baliff has more court experience than this broad. How exactly is she "supremely qualified"? She went to Harvard and then all the right cocktail parties?
Posted by: Cowboy at May 12, 2010 06:23 AM (XYcTY)
At the end we should say, pay back is a MF so how do you like them apples.
If we win good, if we don't still good. At least we will not be unilaterally surrendering in a war of the nominations.
There is a reason half of the R nominees are liberals and none of the Dems ever are conservative.
Posted by: Vic at May 12, 2010 06:24 AM (6taRI)
Posted by: theCork at May 12, 2010 06:30 AM (L0cxG)
Posted by: societyis2blame at May 12, 2010 06:31 AM (7ZyYf)
Posted by: Deanna at May 12, 2010 06:44 AM (oflVV)
Who gives flying frisbee what this woman does in her bedroom? As long as she and her partner--man, woman, electric dildo etc--don't do it in the street, who cares?
And yes she has been triple whupped with the ugly stick; short, chubby and homely is no way to go through life.
And yes she got her lunch handed to her in oral argument before the Supreme Court .
But considering what the Narcissist in Chief might have done; Hillary a Supreme Court Justice--well all I can say about this pick is the old Merle Haggard tune--"It ain't love, but it ain't bad".
Posted by: Even Ugly Women Need Love Too at May 12, 2010 07:44 AM (ktYjH)
I disagree. Hillary's older, stupider and more easily distracted. I would love to have Hillary on SCOTUS. The only one better -- Janet Reno.
Posted by: AmishDude at May 12, 2010 08:04 AM (T0NGe)
And no, lesbians are about the only ones who can't have sodomy. Straights, however, can, so don't be a hypocrite. Start worrying about all the straights on the court and whether or not they're doing kinky stuff in the bedroom if it's so important.
But it's really a stupid point. Either she can read and interpret the law, or she can't. Even if you believe homosexuality is a sin, biblically it's no worse than any other sin, so it's just ignorant to treat gays as something less than based on that alone, especially in a post that mentions Spitzer.
Posted by: Jane at May 12, 2010 08:23 AM (ye6fm)
Even if you believe homosexuality is a sin, biblically it's no worse than any other sin, so it's just ignorant to treat gays as something less than based on that alone, especially in a post that mentions Spitzer.
No, it doesn't have anything to do with ignorance.
In fact, to the contrary, it's the height of IGNORANCE to stick your head in the sand and pretend that there isn't something seriously [really deadly] wrong with hedonistic nihilism of homosexuality.
A nation run by homosexuals is a nation doomed to extinction.
Period.
No ifs, ands, or buts about it.
If you neo-cons are happy with the prospect of extinction, then go jump off a cliff.
Just don't ask the rest of us to jump with you.
Posted by: at May 12, 2010 08:32 AM (J+UTa)
Posted by: Damn Skippy at May 12, 2010 08:42 AM (VDgKF)
Posted by: Joseph at May 12, 2010 09:38 AM (Vi+hS)
She looks shorter than I remember, but maybe she used a half apple for the movie.
Posted by: kurtilator at May 12, 2010 09:48 AM (juh4Z)
Posted by: U.S.S. Yorktown at May 12, 2010 10:09 AM (sYEpI)
Out here in flyover country [amongst normal people, who are still sane, and who know the difference between right and wrong], when someone points out the grossly simplistic tautology that a nation - which is governed by the aggressive expansionism of the hedonistic nihilism of homosexuality - is a nation which is doomed to extinction, folks don't usually respond with slurs like "stormfront".
But, like I say, when you Neo-cons all join hands and jump off the cliff together, please don't expect us stormfront paratroopers to jump off with you - at that point, we will have far too many champagne corks which will need to be popped in celebration of your passing.
Posted by: Lindsey Grahamnesty licking Rahm Emanuel's sweet, hairy balls at May 12, 2010 10:26 AM (J+UTa)
Actually, that was for:
There is always an ulterior motive with a sodomite [just as there is always an ulterior motive with a Jew, or, as in this case, a Jewess] - some hidden agenda, some cabalistic conspiracy. Always.
You may now return to sucking Goebbels decaying cock, untermensch.
Posted by: damian at May 12, 2010 10:55 AM (4WbTI)
Posted by: Joe at May 12, 2010 11:45 AM (P/q7X)
She just didn't have the internet to connect to a fat Jew boy.
Remember, Joos are the worst at dating. They are racist, that is only another Jew will do. Jew guys will screw gentile girls all day, but not Jew girls. They marry the Jew girls, they fuck the gentiles.
Posted by: Kemp at May 12, 2010 11:59 AM (2+9Yx)
But, like I say, when you Neo-cons all join hands and jump off the cliff together, please don't expect us stormfront paratroopers to jump off with you - at that point, we will have far too many champagne corks which will need to be popped in celebration of your passing.
Posted by: Lindsey Grahamnesty licking Rahm Emanuel's sweet, hairy balls at May 12, 2010 02:26 PM (J+UTa)
Didn't Hitler and the National Socialists passing happen already? As I remember a lot of champagne corks were popped. The Nazi moment passed and will not return.
Posted by: theCork at May 12, 2010 12:32 PM (zL5Q1)
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