1 I will say this though, he's done a bang-up job of bringing some megaton class cognitive dissonance to the libtards who now say that burning something sacred under 1st Amdt is wrong.

2

Nut or not, this pastor has shown that tolerance only seems to go in one direction.  Imagine if all the Christians came together and said you had better not build that mosque on ground zero or we will start blowing things up and killing people. Do you think the President would say to the imam, please reconsider your decision, it's will get people killed???
I think the fact that the government even got involved says a lot and should scare the hell out of Americans who love this Country and the Constitution.

As for me, I think I'll burn the koran and blow the smoke towards mecca, just because I can.

3 If we were to burn Korans every day would they eventually just get used to it, move on - inshallah.

4 spypeach - maybe a dedicated webcam channel for Koran desecration and Mohammad cartoons.

5 Good grief.. will the madness ever end?

Que Pres Barky to weigh in yet again.

6
I like how the Imam Rauf character is threatening us now. He's insisting that if we move the Ground Zero victory mosque away from Ground Zero - the muslim world will react with violence, so he cannot possibly move it now.

Threats?  Oh yes.  threats.

7 If I wanted to highlight the idiocy of putting 'Islam' and 'tolerance' in the same thought pattern, I couldn't have done better than this really.

You want respect, you show respect.  You act like a punk, you get beat like one.

_{I'm sorry, are my Sicilian roots showing?}

8 He can do this because he has Phreddy Phucking Phelps as back up.

9 If this gets any crazier, I will set my brain on fire.

10 Good gravy this is some funny shit.

I have not been entertained like this in years.

11 Soros progressive test; http://tinyurl.com/cmh96g, I scored an honest 71/400. I think that gets me a seat on train headed to the camps.

12 You know, this whole thing really is good for the public debate.  And I really can't be upset any time the left gets their panties in a wad.  If I did, I'd be upset roughly... constantly. 

13 I heard somewhere that if this group had wanted to buy this media coverage, it would currently be running them several million dollars. Brilliantly played, media-dorks.

14

Oh, those poor korans.

Burn the fuckers! Because they are annoying me.

This is such a silly issue. You have a constitutional right to burn them. You can burn a flag, a bible, or a koran. Just spark the suckers and grill a chedderwurst and be done with it.

The fact that muslims will blow shit up is irrelevant and not a good reason not to do anything, no matter how trivial.

Else what is the precedent? "Get out of Iraq or we'll blow shit up"? You can't let their explosive tendencies dictate your actions to you.

This is such a fabricated concern that no one will give a shit about or remember in 2 years (or less). It's just some bullshit for dweebs to flip out over.

Fuck it. I'm about ready to roll a koran and smoke it. I wonder if Koran gets you high. Maybe it will make me psychotic and I'll go blow up a shopping mall.

15 perhaps we should send the muslims to anger management classes

16 On the (probably premature) assumption that Jones' 15 minutes are over, I'm eager to see how the MSM deals with Westboro Baptist Phelps' replacement Koran burning. Will it get zero coverage, wall-to-wall updates, or something in between?

17 With due respect to Greg Gutfield, I think we should show the Koran its proper respect as a Holy book and use it to officiate all gay marriages. Anything to hasten the implosion of the Islamic-Left alliance.

18

In Afghanistan, at least 11 people were injured Friday in protests.

Just as Obama expected when he made this freakin idiot a Global Figure.

"Hey muslim world, this conservative American is going to burn your Koran. Hope that conservative doesn't make you violent! wink wink....Oh geez, look at all the violence that conservative caused!"

19 if only phelps fell into the burning korans........it would be a win win.......sorry if anyone is offended by this comment......i couldn't help myself.........

20

They have burned thousands of American flags.

It's high time we burned a Koran.

 

21 Barky's giving a rare presser this morning.  Wonder if he'll get the usual softballs tossed to him, or if he'll get a few tough questions?  This is when I really miss Major. 

If it weren't so early, we could have a drinking game.  Do a shot after every "um" or "er" or "let me be clear" -- good grief, we'd all be on the floor.

22 Burning the Holy Qur'an is wrong and building the mosque a few blocks from Ground Zero is absolutely right. Have the rest of my conservative friends forgotten a little something called freedom of religion? So what if they behead a couple of people here and there in the name of their freedom of religion. It's no worse than the smallpox blankets our Founding Fathers gave to the Indians. That's what freedom of religion means. Otherwise we become just like these other countries where they don't let people practice their faiths. And for those fellow conservatives of mine who are suddenly concerned about the rights of Muslim women, I will just say this. You are infringing on these women's freedom of religion if you try to stop them from assuming what they believe to be their rightful place. Maybe they enjoy being covered head to toe? Would you want someone else to tell your wife how to dress?

23

He's insisting that if we move the Ground Zero victory mosque away from Ground Zero - the muslim world will react with violence, so he cannot possibly move it now.

Kind of like how they'll react with violence if they burn those innocent korans?

Kind of like how they'll react with violence if we don't bug out of Afghanistan?

Kind of like how they'll react with violence if their goat doesn't put out?

How they will react should be a non-concern. Not even worth briefly considering.

24 steve....the irony of them protesting the burning of the koran while standing on the American Flag...........

25

It's disturbing and telling that so many followers of a religion would turn violent over destruction of one of their religious objects. These aren't just the radical terrorist, these are the rank and file Muslims going crazy.

It's also very disturbing that our own government and chattering class are so afraid of them. Obama looked like he was going to get on his knees and beg this nut in Florida not to burn a book. Our leaders are scared to death that Muslims are going to hurt someone over this. That tells me all I need to know about our leaders and the Muslims.

26 I need to get a ruling on whether it is free speech or hate speech to burn an American flag made out of pages from the koran.

27 So they're in such a foaming rage that they're tearing each other apart?  You're correct on one count Gabe; this is working perfectly. 

Filthy, barbaric, heathen idolaters.  I've grown weary of their duplicity, their savagery and their hostility.  It's past time to show them why the Germans and Japanese are such pleasant world citizens these days.

As for here in the states, well this little exercise has drawn another defining line between the progressives/relativists and the Americans.  It's always good to see who stands with you or against you.
 

28 The best resolution for this whole matter would be for Jones to go ahead and burn his Korans and then be cited by the local authorities for burning trash without a permit.

Who says we're intolerant, we fined him didn't we?

29 ......i was thinking of and art piece.......the koran in a jar of piss.........

30 PPV Cage match for wounded troops: Muzzies and Phelps?

31 What I find telling is that a lot of the media has said that they were not going to cover the actual burning.  HA!

It's like an instant salve that immediately washes their hands clean of any responsibility. 

32 -- 19: Sadly, the EPA would be very angry about the burning of such toxic materials as Phelps.

33 How's this?  Let Fucknozzle burn the Korans.  If anything happens to him, we burn every mosque in the country to the ground.

Sounds like a deal to me.

34 I'm waiting for Imam Barky to scold Phelps for his cruel protests at our troops funerals.  And I'm waiting.....and waiting.... and waiting.....

35 or maybe when the korans are lit some gentlemen can put the flames out with piss............

36 I won't mind building the Mosque at ground zero if the Muslims don't mind us building a Baptist Church in Mecca.

P.S., Just don't call it the f*cking "Victory Mosque".  I mean, c'mon that's just some in-your-face bullsh*t.

37 So now just the possibility of burning korans leads to violence?

38 Hell, I say we have a national "burn a koran day" give the bastards something to riot over. The number of TV's in Afghanistan might go up to 10, and maybe the literacy rate might go up to 10%. E-slam is the ROP!

39

Pastor Jones and his 50 followers have shown the world that islam & the left have common cause and that both are wearing the emperor's new clothes (none).

Islam is not and has never been about peace, and the left only cares about burning korans when they can roast americans on the fire.  The left has been burning our flag for years, stomping on it, spitting on it, and acts like being able to do so is the 11th commandment.

40 In Afghanistan, at least 11 people were injured Friday in protests.

People in Afghanistan are rioting, not because Korans were burned (they haven't been yet), but because someone in America has the right burn them.

41 If the Muslims want to stop Koran burning, they should print fewer copies.

42 In Afghanistan, at least 11 people were injured Friday in protests.

So in other words, a pretty tame Friday "prayers" in comparison, eh?

43 You can't even travel to Saudi Arabia with a Bible in your luggage.  It will be confiscated and destroyed.  Same with trying to hold any kind of Christian study group in your own home.  You'll be arrested.

Yeah, I'm sick and tired of this "tolerance" crap only going one way, Obama.

44 I won't mind building the Mosque at ground zero if the Muslims don't mind us building a Baptist Church in Mecca.

I suggest a copy of the Hagia Sophia, or maybe a copy of the Cathedral of St. Denis, complete with moving the tomb of Charles Martel there.

45 Life is cheap in the Muslim world, and apt to get cheaper...

46

I'm going to hold a Koran-burning unless FOX brings back Firefly.

 

I'm going to hold a Koran-burning unless Megyn Kelly and/or Shannon Bream have sex with me.

47 If Friday prayers led to riots, there must have been a lot of angry sex on Man love Thursday.

48 how many korans burned at the pentagon, shanksville and the twin towers nine years and a day ago?

49 If Friday prayers led to riots, there must have been a lot of angry sex on Man love Thursday.

At least things were quiet on Goat Shag Wednesday.

50 Save Larry the Lobster.  And Krusty the Koran.

51 "Hell, I say we have a national "burn a koran day".. That's exactly what Jones intended, that's why he named his event "Int'l Burn a Koran Day". I'm wondering how many people actually will do it? Of course, it's not quite the same without the world's media surrounding you, but if a few thousand new Koran burning vids show up on Youtube (or any other site) overnight, then that could start a whole new shitstorm. Of course, it could also get us beyond the pussyfooting around Islam as with South Park, etc.

52 And so a new meme is born:

DO X OR THIS KORAN BURNS!!!

Heh...

53 Jane, I used to carry in consecrated Eucharists in gold foil envelope for the Filipino staff on Easter.

54 "how many korans burned at the pentagon, shanksville and the twin towers nine years and a day ago?" 19

55 NINE YEARS TOMORROW AND WE ARE BEING FORCE FED A FLIGHT 93 MEMORIAL IN THE SHAPE OF A CRESCENT MOON? A MOSQUE AT GROUND ZERO? THE MAYOR OF NY IN FAVOR OF THE MOSQUE? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

56 If anyone had said nine years ago that 9/11 would become a de facto Muslim Appreciation Day in the United States, they would have been thought insane. Yet here we are.

57

I don't care about the moral equivelance, I care that our entire government is speaking out against our first amendment rights out of fear of what the Muslims might do.

This guy in Florida is a nut, the Koran is a book. A nut burns a book. It fucking happens here, we have alot of nuts. Print some more Korans if this idiot burns some.

58

I got the impression for the TV report last night that the Imam in Florida was on the phone with the Imam in NY in the presense of Jones.

I like Jones' style. We ought to start a new foundation "Destroy Mecca Foundation" that will work towards destroying Mecca unless our demands are met:

1) Muslims are to round up everyone in Al Quaeda, Hamas and Hezzebulluh and kill them

2) Move the GZ mosque to different location, especially that one couldn't here the Muslim call to prayer from the GZ location.

3) Transplant all Palestinians to other Arab countries.

59 NINE YEARS TOMORROW AND WE ARE BEING FORCE FED A FLIGHT 93 MEMORIAL IN THE SHAPE OF A CRESCENT MOON? A MOSQUE AT GROUND ZERO? THE MAYOR OF NY IN FAVOR OF THE MOSQUE? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

Defeat.  It's a bitter taste.

60

I suggest a copy of the Hagia Sophia

Why a copy?

End the unlawful occupation of Constantinople! Free Byzantium!

61 Maybe Kingsford can start selling korans in a "Match Light" version.

62 read this comment on Drudge:

LetÂ’s see if I have this correct.
An tiny little insignificant pastor with a handful of followers ( who have since dwindled to even fewer) threatens to exercise his Constitutional right of expression. The liberal left wing state run media, the Islam sympathizing Obama regimeÂ’s lapdogs, blow this WAY out of proportion. And the response of a supposed majority of a supposed peaceful religionÂ’s (Islam) followers is to order that ALL followers commit violent murderous acts against total strangers around the world?
Meanwhile the cowardly (sin cojones) Western media denounce everyone but those advocating violence as a response.
If Americans donÂ’t stand up and fight now, our country will surely be lost, just as Europe and the UK are today

63 I'm lighting up a Koran and the HC bill tomorrow. Wonder how long the vid will last on youtube

64 Till Edessa is free!

65

Why a copy?

End the unlawful occupation of Constantinople! Free Byzantium!

Because we'll liberate the original.  I also suggest a copy in Amman, Damascus, Baghdad, Tehran, Tripoli, and maybe with the right real estate deal we can snag part of the Temple Mount for a copy there, too.  We could team up with the Jews and buy stone in bulk.  Such a deal!

66 Zakn - I suspect that 3' stack of paper will burn longer.

67

i'm off to my 5th grader's school...9/11 memorial flag raising at 7:45 with patrioc songs performed by all the kids.......NEVER FORGET

68 Zakn - I suspect that 3' stack of paper will burn longer.

Posted by: Jean at September 10, 2010 10:13 AM (dShLt)

It's hard to tell.  They're both so full of shit that I think they'll just smolder.

69 I think someone should make a vid of a koran being deep fried in pork fat.  That ought to make a few heads explode.

70 I remember a few years back some college kid in Florida pilfered the Eucharist from a Catholic Church. (Went up to take communion, already a big no-no if not Catholic, and then proceeded to take it home with him, an even bigger no-no.) The Catholics asked him nicely if he would please give it back and he refused, claiming he was being "persecuted." Then some atheists started a campaign to steal the Eucharist and desecrate it on YouTube. I don't seem to remember much concern in the press about the delicate feelings of Catholics over the desecration of our sacred objects...I guess because we didn't use violence or threaten to blow anyone up. In fact most of the comments that were made were borderline anti-Catholic..."how crazy are they for making a fuss over a piece of bread?" and the like.

Now I think this pastor is a nut and the whole Koran burning is a ridiculous publicity stunt. But if he's done one thing he's made it bleeding obvious that there is a double standard in this country as far as the treatment of Islam and the treatment of other religions.

Oh, and Obama is a hypocrite. I know I'm never going to see him crying over the vandalism of a Virgin Mary statue or the burning of a church. Enough with the "this doesn't represent American values" b/s. Last time I checked the right to free expression was still an American value.

71 Burning, burning, burning, burning...

(I love the sound of TS Eliot in the morning.)

72 The HC bill will be tossed into a hot fire barrel . Koran will be put out with piss.

73 If the whole world drew a picture of Big Mo and burned the koran on the same day, maybe the Muslims would riot themselves into extinction.

74 Whatever you do, don't burn Dianetics!
You asking for some serious trouble if you do.

75 Maybe pig blood if I can find a supplier

76 Rauf?... Jones?

Who would have thought, these two, low-level cockroaches could instigate this much trouble?

77 Posted by: Angry Beaver at September 10, 2010 10:16 AM (5PwQu)

That's why Orthodox priests shove wine soaked bread straight into your mouth on a golden spoon.  Centuries ago, people were swiping the bread and trying Black Magic shit with it.

78 From now on at Burger King, "my way" means I want my BK Bacon Stacker wrapped in pages from a koran rather than waxpaper.

79 I agree, ugh.

80 Since this is clearly a winning strategy, I'm going to hold a Koran-burning unless FOX brings back Firefly. How many korans do you want me to bring?

81 You can burn Dianetics, you're just not allowed to read it.

82 I'm sure the families of those killed on September 11th appreciate the way that Rev. Jones has focused attention on the loss of their loved ones. 

83 Another thing that gets my goat about all of this hoopla.

How many US born children have been kidnapped by their muslim fathers and spirited away to places like Saudi Arabia?

And yet, nary a peep from our beloved MFM.

84 Washington has been trying to keep this a limited war against a "few extremists who have hijacked a religion". If one crazy backwoods pastor sets off the "Arab street" and shatters the illusion they have been spinning of moderate Islam; the wonks in Washington will be beside themselves. I hope every senior NCO in theater has quietly up'ed the force protection level and restricted local travel this weekend.

85 This was a tiny, insignificant story until Obama, Gates, Powell and others stirred the pot. Never let a crisis go to waste?? Looks to me like the pot may have been stirred intentionally.

86 it is now a circular design. (See Wiki)

There's a lesson there, somewhere I think.
Posted by: Downsized Upscale at September 10, 2010 10:19 AM

In the shape of an "O," you mean....

87 It looks like the Democrats may have found "the" issue for this election cycle. People don't like to be shamed, and those who oppose the proposed bipartisan cultural center in lower Manhattan may see their reflection in this intolerant Koran-burning pastor. The Democrats may gain a super-majority if they hold that mirror up just right. Freedom of religion is important to conservatives like myself. I would hate to think that my vote was in line with those who support intolerance. Regretfully, I will spend November 2 in church rather than in an election booth.

88 We're saved! Cat filters for all!

89 We're saved! Cat filters for all!

How do I install this in firefox?

90 In Afghanistan, at least 11 people were injured Friday in protests.

They're already "protesting" and throwing fits over... what exactly?  Nothing was burned!  The mere *thought* that someone *might* do something offensive to them hurt their delicate "sensibilities" so much that they just couldn't bear the strain and had to get it out of their system and start rioting.  Lunatics.

91

Regretfully, I will spend November 2 in church rather than in an election booth.

Oh, he seems like such a concerned christian conservative.

It's too bad freedom of speech doesn't rank as much concern from him.

92

Posted by: Angry Beaver at September 10, 2010 10:16 AM (5PwQu)

It was actually a prof at the University of Minnesota that was urging people to steal communion wafers from churches.

93

Again, in broken-record fashion, I wonder why insurance companies, libraries, universities, and so on, don't have very special rules for the Quran.  And by that I mean, don't have a printed copy.

I mean seriously, Muslims are making troglodytes look good these days. 

What other totemistic or weirdly animist ideas do they have which we have to look forward to?  Magic space rock, check.  I know that one.  

I got the hair rays, butt crack shaving, kinky sex with virgins and boys in heaven.  I mean, it's just a cornucopia of freaky nutty weirdness.   

94 This is an obvious example of our troops dying abroad protecting the rights of Americans, the constitutional rights that kooks indiscreetly or foolishly exercise for attention.

95 We are going to have to fight these people some day.  Do the Death.  They won't have it any other way.  Let's give it to them.  Starting tomorrow on the anniversary of 9/11.  Tell them, "We've had enough.  Bring it, bitches."

96 Islam in its present form is a hostile, primitive, predatory religion. Burn a Bible? You get called a dick. Burn a Koran? You get your head cut off. We ain't the problem here.

97 The longer this goes on and the more I hear about how we must all walk on eggshells so that the thing that shall never be inflamed, does not in fact get inflamed, the less I really care if this happens or not. At this point, I'm ALMOST at the ' smoke it it you got it' stage. I'm TIRED of Muslim rage from the incredibly backward s***holes of the World. F*** them and their inbred value structures.

98 Entropy, Certainly as a conservative I value the rights enshrined in the First Amendment, which includes speech as well as religion. But as a Christian, I am called upon to watch my tongue, and not hurt others merely because I have the right to do so. I would like the Republicans to succeed this fall as much as you do. But my "concern", as you put it, is that the Democrats gain have the upper hand on the cultural center issue. I understand that there is a rally on October 2, and if all the participants march with signs with the face of the moderate Mr. Rauf it may create a sympathetic electoral wave in favor of his many supporters in the Democratic party.

99 94 We're saved! Cat filters for all!

Posted by: maddogg at September 10, 2010 10:36 AM (OlN4e)

I will start burning Cat filters unless I receive my dog filters!

100 The reaction of Islam's faithful  and the Left is no surprise, We have watched them protest together for the last decade arm in arm,,,The reaction of our Leaders is what is confounding.

101 It looks like the Democrats may have found "the" issue for this election cycle.

Lol, this preacher man ain't no Republican.

And claiming that you'd spend ALL DAY IN CHURCH without taking the break to vote is lamer than lame. 

102 101 We are going to have to fight these people some day.  Do the Death.  They won't have it any other way.  Let's give it to them.  Starting tomorrow on the anniversary of 9/11.  Tell them, "We've had enough.  Bring it, bitches."

Posted by: SurferDoc at September 10, 2010 10:44 AM (X6a9o)

There was a time when this country understood that fact.

"War is the solution our enemy has chosen and I say we give him all that he can stand."  -- Gen. W.T. Sherman

Sadly, no longer...

103

Bring back stubby beer bottles...

 

 

...or the Koran gets it...

104

I may get the crap kicked out of me for saying this, but the longer this drama goes on, the more I tend to support anyone who chooses to do it, and there are now numerous individuals threatening to do so.

The reason that Christians, such as myself, do not go on rampages when someone burns our Holy book is because, well, 1. We're not driven by our religion to insanity and 2. Because we know that our God's word is a living word. It's is conveyed through text, but the word itself can never be destroyed. As long as their are human souls with the capacity to share the message in some manner, his words will remain alive.

Sure, the folks looking to burn the Koran all appear a bit nutty, but again, and I I repeat my statement from a few days ago: Those who would seek to kill over this incident would seek to kill.... period. Some here have argued that there are those who are "marginal" and might be pushed over the edge. Well, isn't being marginally radical a kind of like being a little bit pregnant?

Muslims fail to see the irony that these men have the right to burn the Koran. Does that make it a reasonable thing to do: No, of course not. Then again. where the hell were our brothers and sisters of Muslim faith when the Bible was being burned?

The fact that everyone including Gates and the President have weighed in on this has made this a much more public and valid spectacle than it otherwise would have been.

Perhaps it is a conversation that needs to take place.

105 The reaction of our Leaders is what is confounding. Posted by: willow

Those "Leaders" certainly are atrocious.

Their reaction was predictable given the unbroken record of Muslim overreaction, and given that the Democrat "Leaders" who confound our Constitution are Marxists, anyway.

Mission Accomplished Shock and Awe created chaos in Iraq. Obama's playing Rummy's game against America rather than against Jihadist enemies. The Marxists are the cowards represented by the likes of Holder. They bully American citizens and cow to alien demands.

106

the face of the moderate Mr. Rauf

-- Average Joe

The guy who just went on CNN and said "build my mosque or get wacked" in true classic passive-aggressive grievance-jihad gangster fashion?

Maybe I'm overestimating the intelligence of the average person, but he just proved everything his critics have been saying all along.    

107 Maverick, I will spend the entire day in prayer for our country. Whether I am in a physical church or a merely a spiritual church, I will be in God's church. I recall that shortly after 9/11, there was a picture circulating of Bin Laden's face formed from the smoke billowing from the collapsing World Trade Centers. If the Democrats are clever -- and sometimes they are -- they will photoshop Rauf's gentle, smiling face into that smoke cloud to show that a calming influence is now present on that tragic site. Unfortunately, I can't think of a way that our GOP could possible counter that powerful message.

108

I'm a little suspicious as Texmom seems to be. Why was this even a national issue. Brought to the world by our always concerned for our military mfm?

is there another bill or law being written   by our betters these days?

It's also amazing What the mfm decides is Inportant news these days.

109 I will spend the entire day in prayer for our country. Whether I am in a physical church or a merely a spiritual church, I will be in God's church.

I'll be busy driving everyone I know that needs a ride to the polling place.

So, can you put in a good word for me winning the lottery?

110 In Afghanistan, at least 11 people were injured Friday in protests.

Police in the northern province of Badakhshan said several hundred demonstrators ran toward a NATO compound where four attackers and five police were injured in clashes. Protesters also burned an American flag at a mosque after Friday prayers. In western Farah province, police said two people were injured in another protest.

Remember, that this is the response of a peaceful religion (snork) over the mere THREAT of burning the Qurans. None have actually been burned yet, and they are already out beating people up and setting things on fire. Boy, gimme some o' dat peace over here, bruddahman... {/sarc}

And the burning of the American flag? Does that mean we get to torch a mosque in protest? Or are we expected to just suck it up in response (as usual)? {/rhetorical question}

Religion of Peace? Well, sure, except on days ending in "-day"

111 polynikes, I understand what the "snapshot" polls say. However, the Democrats are making rapid progress humanizing the issue with Mr. Rauf. And they might doubly-humanize it by not only carrying large Rauf signs at the rally, but by having top Democratic officeholders attend the rally wearing Rauf masks. Can you image the TV ad they could make of that? At the end, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Charles Rangel could simultaneously remove their masks and say "We are America." That unifying message might well unify voters and cause a Democratic Tsunami come election day.

112 If the Democrats are clever -- and sometimes they are -- they will photoshop Rauf's gentle, smiling face into that smoke cloud to show that a calming influence is now present on that tragic site. Unfortunately, I can't think of a way that our GOP could possible counter that powerful message.

Posted by: Average Joe at September 10, 2010 10:57 AM (bN5ZU)

Uh.....yeah.  You should send your ideas to the DNC.  They could use some cheering up these days.

113

121,

Rauf masks?  hahahahah!  OK, now we're not being astroturfed or whatever.  That is just classic trolling. 

Please don't feed the trolls.  Still, good one. 

114

...by having top Democratic officeholders attend the rally wearing Rauf masks.

Can you image the TV ad they could make of that? At the end, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Charles Rangel could simultaneously remove their masks and say "We are America." That unifying message might well unify voters and cause a Democratic Tsunami come election day.

Posted by: Average Joe at September 10, 2010 11:04 AM (bN5ZU)

And maybe they could all say the shahada and propose sharia law for everyone?  That would really be powerful.  

115 We should make signs with the face of Wilford Brimley.  No one could resist eating oatmeal after seeing a wave of such signs.

116 Unfortunately, I can't think of a way that our GOP could possible counter that powerful message.

Ummm, by pointing out how it was done, and letting the reader figure out "why"? Worked for Dan Ra^ther.

117 average joe ,  pretty funny. although a little over the top with moderate rauf, and masks.

118 shillelagh, it's bad form to label everyone which whom you disagree as a "troll." I believe my concerns are shared with a great many conservative like myself, many of them readers of this site. Halloween is in October so I don't understand why you feel masks would be so out of place. It would even add a like humor to the message of compassion. And it also occurred to me that since the Democrats are planning to harness the "star power" and popularity of Mrs. Obama in the midterms, she might join in the fun as well. They could ever have her do the whole Rauf-mask ad alone -- will a veil first being revealed before the President himself lifts it to uncover his wife's Maxim-100-award winning face. He too could be wearing a flowing Muslim robe, shedding it at the end to reveal a smart American suit.

119

Perhaps it is a conversation that needs to take place.

Posted by: jmflynny at September 10, 2010 10:55 AM (LyOUH)

I'm leaning towards this.

Oh, and Average Joe just trolled y'all. In brilliant fashion.

120 The thing that makes me crazy is the whole "we can't judge Islam by the actions of a few terrorists" (9-11, etc., etc.), but it's totally acceptable - expected even - for the whole Muslim world to react with hostility towards the entire U.S. in response to the actions of one person. I understand they run the minutia of their daily lives in accordance with the Koran - hell, in Muslim countries their laws are based on it, aren't they? - so burning it is unimaginable to them. Which makes Islam pretty much incompatible with the West. We cherish many freedoms here (or we used to) which seem to be prohibited by the very nature of their faith. When my coworkers make comments on how awful Rev. Jones is, I just say "Sure it's disrespectful, but he has the right to do it. And why have the media blown this up to such idiotic proportions anyway?" They get this sullen look on their faces, but they do shut up.

121 jmflynny

Though I wouldn't burn someone's scripture, given the over-extension federal powers abusing to eliminate our Constitution, at this point, burning the Quran symbolizes a protest against Obama's administration as it does a protest against Jihad terrorist murderers who have yet to pay for their crimes against our nation, killing 3000 Americans and destroying the World Trade Center, permanently injuring all the responders and clean up crews, bombing the Pentagon, and annihilating those in flight over Pennsylvania. Add to that, there needs to be an effective means for Americans to protest the violent Muslim protests that determine the deaths of Christians. That is nothing new, hearing Muslims shout "Death to Christians" now as ever.

Still, I agree with Mark Steyn's account that had New York City already rebuilt the World Trade Center, the animus against the gz mosque would not have such intensity. As far as burning the Quran, because of all the federal authoritarianism smothering the natural expression, I wonder what more effective form of protest Americans can do against what happened on 9/11/01. Draw Muhammad Posters and wear the hijab in public protest? (In self defense, claim that Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.) Impersonate a Jihadist beating his wife and children, and killing Christians and Jews in a public skit or sidewalk puppet show? Burn the "Islam" flag (if "Islam" has a banner). Burn Jihadist effigies? Have a 9/11 Fiesta and crack open Jihadist piñatas.

June 18, 2007 "Christians in Gaza Fear for their Lives" (AP)
After defeating their rivals in Palestinian Authority Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah movement, Muslim extremists are focusing their attacks on Christians in Gaza City. Christians in Gaza City have issued an appeal to the international community and a plea for protection against the increased attacks by Muslim extremists. Father Manuel Musallem, head of Gaza's Latin church, told the AP that Muslims have ransacked, burned and looted a school and convent that are part of the Gaza Strip's small Romany Catholic community. He told the AP that crosses were broken, damage was done to a statue of Jesus, and at the Rosary Sister School and nearby convent, prayer books were burned. Gunmen used the roof of the school during the fighting, and the convent was "desecrated," Mussalem told the AP. "Nothing happens by mistake these days," he said. Father Musalam additionally told The Jerusalem Post that the Muslim gunmen used rocket-propeled grenades (RPGs) to blow through the doors of the church and school, before burning Bibles and destroying every cross they could get their hands on.

122 Beagle, no need to be sarcastic. Obviously your proposal would not a promote a message unity and tolerance. However, your idea could be successfully tweaked by having them say a few friendly words in Arabic, with a voice-over translation by Christine Amanpour.

123

Perhaps it is a conversation that needs to take place.

Posted by: jmflynny at September 10, 2010 10:55 AM (LyOUH)

As a part of that discussion, let's include Ol' Moe.  He's central to all this bullshit; the Khartoon Riots and killings were over drawings of a long dead Arab guy.  Let's discuss this 'holy' man who founded a 'religion'.  Let's figure out just how a carvan-robbing warlord (a prophet into profit, imagine that), who murdered hundreds on a whim, is to be given respect.  How Ol' Moe's ideas concerning women and marriage (to multiple wives) influences islam today.  In all the discussions about islam and mulsims I've listened to, I've never yet heard anyone really discuss the sick attributes of the founder of the Religion of Peace (My Ass).

124 We CAN judge Islam by their Jihadists AS WELL AS the lame "moderate Muslim" prevention of terrorism, the Muslim unwillingness to turn over terrorists to the FBI BEFOREHAND or afterwards. The point is, the radical imams are the only imams being hired. So any practicing Muslim that attends a mosque is being manipulated politically to STFU.

125 Something occurred to me...

If our entire "hearts and minds" strategy can be undermined by one retard burning some Korans, then perhaps it wasn't the best approach afterall.

Think about that--almost 9 years of blood and treasure expended on purging radical elements in Iraq and Afghanistan and rebuilding their governments with "moderate" leadership steering the ship.

And that's all threatened by some handlebar-mustached goof down in Florida threatening to burn some books?

Seriously? For realsies?

Now they hate us?

I'm starting to think that carpet bombing would have been the better solution. And we should have started with Saudi Arabia.

126 If he burns a koran, I really hope he does it wearing a t shirt that says:

"Moustache Rides 10 cents, First One Free"

127 and propose sharia law for everyone? --Beagle

They successfully forced the means to effect sharia already, wouldn't you agree? Legislators no longer represent constituents, but effect authoritarianism. "What" the authoritarians dictate changes. Through eugenic forced health care, "citizens" are mere property of the state. No exemption for males outside of the ruling class. That's worse than Sharia persecution of only women and children as property to be used and abused. At least in Sharia Law, you have to take an eye before your eye is taken. Not so according to Marxists who take your body, soul and property though you took nothing from anyone, having spent your existence already contributing to society.

128

133...

A pastor at a super-church here in Jax did just that, and lost his job because of it after it made national news. And, the pastor in question was about as far from looney as one can be.

129

jmflynny,

You'll have to give me a little more info.  Why did the pastor lose his job, because he had the discussion or because it was covered?  Was this discussion during a service or somewhere else?  Who fired him and what were the reasons given?  I don't remember the incident, so help me out here.

130 I'm starting to think that carpet bombing would have been the better solution.

Sadly, that's it in a nutshell. There is no "winning the hearts and minds of enemies" who happen to be fundamentalist Muslims in their own country where we do not relate. Which is why BEFORE committing to their utter destruction, we be damned sure that's the only way and not sacrifice our finest young men and women to "prove" our humane generosity, failing to maintaining distance/confinement of aggressors via alert military and secure borders with ICE and FBI supplying GITMO with terrorists while the CIA pinpoints foreign targets for air strikes.  Because even if correct, this reeks of the self delusion that to date only those sympathetic to Jihad, African tribalism, and Communism have played, genocidal monopoly.

Armageddon.

131 At the end, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Charles Rangel (!) could simultaneously remove their masks and say "We are America." That unifying message might well unify voters and cause a REPUBLICAN Tsunami come election day.

132 Pat Buchanan (and Donny Deutsch) wanted federal agents to arrest and imprison Jones to prevent the burning. I guess Pat forgot the whole 1st Amendment thingy. And I liked him in the 2000 primaries. Hey Pat 'Ride to the sound of the gunfire' Buchanan, what the hell happened to you???

133 @127

Folks, AverageJoe is a moby. 

He comes on threads as a concerned conservative, but the story is always the same: defeat is certain unless we move to the center/left so he's staying home on election day.

The last time, amusingly, he was withholding his vote from both Miller in the Alaskan senate race and Angle in the Nevada race because of concerns about their ethics.  A pretty neat trick: voting in two different states' elections. 

134

Pat Buchanan (and Donny Deutsch) wanted federal agents to arrest and imprison Jones to prevent the burning. I guess Pat forgot the whole 1st Amendment thingy. And I liked him in the 2000 primaries. Hey Pat 'Ride to the sound of the gunfire' Buchanan, what the hell happened to you???

Yeah.. I dunno WTF is up with that. It's got to be a trap.

If Obama invokes some wartime power to crack down on this church and koran burning (using what justification, this late late late stage of Afghanistan?) and does nothing to prevent the building of a mosque at ground 0.... I predict there will be .25-.5 million people burning korans in DC.

135

I'm starting to think that carpet bombing would have been the better solution. And we should have started with Saudi Arabia.

I've said before, we should use one of our smaller nukes on Mecca.  Counterintuitive, it would gentle them.  Because we did something they couldn't imagine Allah letting us do.  And because they respect people who act mean and crazy.

136 11 Soros progressive test; http://tinyurl.com/cmh96g, I scored an honest 71/400. I think that gets me a seat on train headed to the camps.

I'll be sharing a box car with you; I got 96/400. EXTREMELY conservative. I am obviously a danger to society.

/perhaps we can work on starting the resistance together at the camps...

137

139...

It was Rev. Jerry Vines of First Baptist Church of Jacksonville. And, I was mistaken. He was not fired but resigned in 2006 after considerable pressure that simply would not die. Looking back, it seems like he retired much quicker than that.

Back in 2002, while speaking at a national Baptist convention, he called Mohammed a "demon-possessed pedophile" that was married to a nine year old girl. Folks went friggin balistic and it was all over the national news. People were condemning his statement by defending Mohammed as doing nothing outside the "norm" for his times (ick!)

Local article here but there are thousands of other hits on Bing.

138 80/400.

139 I don't know why people aren't questioning God's role in this whole debacle.

One day he is telling the Reverend to burn the devil book.  The next day, he's saying, hold off.  Now, he's saying maybe.

Either the rev. has a screwed up connection, like maybe he is getting signal through his rice crispies, but maybe he buys an off brand, and so the message comes through kind of garbled.  And so, "I want you to buy a conversion van and swing by the junior high" comes out sounding like "I want you to burn the koran and who cares if people die." 

Or, maybe the rev. put teaspoons rather than tablespoons of rat poison in the koolaid, and he is just tripping out.

140 "Folks, AverageJoe is a moby."

No, it's a comedy act.  Anyone who can't recognize this is, let's face it, too stupid even for this site and should stop commenting immediately.

141 The owner of the site, didn't want to talk to teh Donald Trump unless he was paying $20 Mil.  What kind of price is that?

142 Dang I scored 139/400... that only makes me very conservative.

143 Scientologists think these guys are nuts.

144

Warden,

If our entire "hearts and minds" strategy can be undermined by one retard burning some Korans, then perhaps it wasn't the best approach afterall.

It's been making me a little sick to my stomach for the better part of a decade.   I'm afraid history is back with a dull knife under a burka.

Don't underestimate the power of zealous fanatical belief in one's divine superiority.  It's been driving human warfare for millenia.  

And the worst part: even total submission to Islam just brings us in to the ongoing Sunni-Shia war which is brewing between Iranian-Persian Shia and the Arab Sunni.   So submission for peace is literally not an option.  Though I'm sure there are plenty of wannbe rhinoceri (Eugene Ionesco) out there anyway.         

145

I've said before, we should use one of our smaller nukes on Mecca.  Counterintuitive, it would gentle them.  Because we did something they couldn't imagine Allah letting us do.  And because they respect people who act mean and crazy.

Posted by: Cincinnatus at September 10, 2010 12:10 PM (8AyDn)

Not necessary.  Just keep doing nothing and Iran will kick over the lantern soon enough.   The most ignored vitally important story of the last few years is all the Arab nations kicking off "peaceful nuclear programs" after Iran.  

146

anyone who desecrates a Bible should be beheaded, anyone who leaves Christianity should be hunted down and executed, anyone trying to convert a Christian should be arrested and whipped until they die ["what? you sure? okay"]

Ooops, I meant Islam. My bad. Never mind.

147

Jones and the Muslims deserve each other. They are "two peas in the same pod", as my grannie said. As much as Jones is detestable, it isn't impossible that Musri told him he would talk to the parties in New York. Ace, priests talk to other priests.

If the FBI had been sent down to "talk" with Jones it will reignite the "is Obama a Muslim" question, and the Black Panther controversy. I see an audit in his future(s).

All this furor over a fringe lunatic group of 30-50 people. By the way, they've been burning American flags overseas. I thought that these people were dirt poor. Where did they get the money, and who is supplying the flags?

 

 

 

 

148 Powerline has an interesting point today -- why did the FBI visit Jones the other day? Was the visit designed to intimidate him? To warn him that they had info that someone was out to kill him? To tell him that they were there to arrest him immediately on some trumped-up charge unless he agreed to stop the Koran-burning? Recall that Jones cratered almost immediately after the FBI visit.

And I'm not buying the "stop the burning, move the mosque" line. It sounds like a suggested cover story to me.

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