February 17, 2010

Krauthammer: Obama's Excuses on National Security Are Unbelievable
— Ace

From TheRightScoop.

This is two or three days old now. It's Krauthammer's reaction to the Dueling Vice Presidents on the Sunday talk shows. Particularly on the point of the 20% recidivism rate (and of course that figure is just the guys we know about) being "not that bad," according to Deputy NSA Brennan.

Obama's minions keep defending themselves by saying they're doing exactly what Bush did (at certain times). Which is already an odd statement, since we were assured before the election that everything Bush did was wrong and Obama would do it different and better.

But Krauthammer gets at the heart of the matter, which Dick Cheney hasn't yet. And Cheney should. When Bush released terrorists to Saudi Arabia, for example, he did so with the belief, or at least the naive hope, that Saudi Arabia would keep the terrorists from rejoining terrorist groups. But they didn't.

So Bush erred -- but in his defense, his mistake was made due to a lack of information. He didn't know that Saudi Arabia would allow terrorists to get back into the terrorism business. He may have suspected that would be the outcome, but he didn't know that.

Well, two years later, Bush now knows. And so does Obama. So Obama's claim that he's "just doing what Bush did" is utterly false. Bush acted out innocence, out of ignorance -- he didn't know the outcome of this policy. Obama does know the outcome of this policy, but is continuing it anyway, which makes this not quite a case of "just doing what Bush did."

When Bush did this, he thought it might be successful, as he had no record yet to suggest otherwise.

When Obama does this today, he knows it won't be successful, based on past history.

But, again, he's doing it anyway. And then claiming he's "just doing what Bush did."

Worth watching.

Posted by: Ace at 08:35 AM | Comments (35)
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1
Why is Joe Biden, the biggest buffoon in the admin, not being mocked relentlessly?

Posted by: This should be the new flaming skull at February 17, 2010 08:37 AM (jVldi)

2
Joe Biden's best line was when he scolded Dick Cheney for rewriting history.

Posted by: This should be the new flaming skull at February 17, 2010 08:38 AM (jVldi)

3 Why is Joe Biden, the biggest buffoon in the admin, not being mocked relentlessly?

I'm only one man.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 17, 2010 08:39 AM (xxgag)

4 We're not supposed to mock the retarded?

Posted by: Jimmy'sAttackRabbit at February 17, 2010 08:42 AM (ZYbe/)

5 20% recidivism? Why can't you criminals be more like terrorists?

Posted by: Dep. Sec. John Brennan at February 17, 2010 08:43 AM (Hh13R)

6 Ahh, but the returned terrorists that's... that's where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt and with... geometric logic... that a duplicate path to Guantanamo DID exist, and I'd have produced that path if they hadn't of pulled my UFO out of action. I, I, I know now they were only trying to protect some fellow politicians ...

Posted by: Joe "The Sheriff" Biden at February 17, 2010 08:44 AM (cvvNY)

7 Need to flip that first > , I think.

Posted by: Methos at February 17, 2010 08:44 AM (Xsi7M)

8 Well, it was a dumb thing for Bush to do, and even dumber for Obama to do. Dumb and dumber?

Isn't there anyone out there that understands the muslim threat who has a chance of getting elected?

Posted by: sharrukin at February 17, 2010 08:44 AM (593B8)

9 I'm betting that Cheney won't get on this bandwagon because he's probably beating himself up with "we should have known."

That's the difference between an actual statesman and some vaudevillian jackass playing to the gallery.

BTW, that last bit was about Obama, Biden, and Co., not a crack at Krauthammer.

Posted by: MikeO at February 17, 2010 08:44 AM (lBmZl)

10 I don't buy the 20% recidivism rate. It's MUCH higher in the general prison populace, and they're claiming that crazy Islamic zealots are less likely to go back to jihad than your average criminal who is not ideologically motivated is likely to go back to crime? I think not.

Posted by: shibumi at February 17, 2010 08:44 AM (OKZrE)

11 O/T:  Are these Olympics jinxed?:  "Concert barricade collapses; 19 people injured"

Posted by: curious at February 17, 2010 08:45 AM (p302b)

12 So Bush erred -- but in his defense, his mistake was made due to a lack of information. He didn't know that Saudi Arabia would allow terrorists to get back into the terrorism business. He may have suspected that would be the outcome, but he didn't know that.

It wasn't just that.  It was new legal ground in dealing with what is basically a terrorist army.  Historically, the closest thing to that was the Barbary Coast pirates, and that was 200 years ago.  We had the civilian court system, the military legal system, and then the occasional tribunal-type hearing (historically) for a saboteur or spy.  So the Bush admin put something together to deal with this new threat.  Then the SC shot it down, and it had to be replaced.

Obama inherited something that was functional and legal.  And he is scrapping it.

Posted by: A.G. at February 17, 2010 08:46 AM (jBPzC)

13 Bush was also under tremendous pressure each and every day to ship out detainees and to close Gitmo. If three bozos held a "rally" on a streetcorner somewhere, it was the lead story on the alphabet networks.

Obama, on the other hand, is under virtually no pressure to do so, and yet finds ways to fuck up. Gitmo as a political topic dropped off the radar in November 2008, except for Obama's broken promise to close it.

Posted by: XBradTC at February 17, 2010 08:46 AM (cB95w)

14 Sloppy html...maybe $2.50 and the diseradata from my Chinese take-out will be enough to purchase this place.

Posted by: garrett at February 17, 2010 08:46 AM (FwxQB)

15 OT, but funny, FARM KID in Marines (NOW AT San Diego MARINE CORPS RECRUIT
TRAINING
)

Dear Ma and Pa,

I am well. Hope you are. Tell Brother Walt and Brother Elmer the
Marine Corps beats working for old man Minch by a mile. Tell them to join up
quick before all of the places are filled.

I was restless at first because you get to stay in bed till nearly 6
a.m. But I am getting so I like to sleep late. Tell Walt and Elmer all you
do before breakfast is smooth your cot, and shine some things. No hogs to
slop, feed to pitch, mash to mix, wood to split, fire to lay. Practically
nothing.

Men got to shave but it is not so bad, there's warm water. Breakfast
is strong on trimmings like fruit juice, cereal, eggs, bacon, etc., but kind
of weak on chops, potatoes, ham, steak, fried eggplant, pie and other
regular food, but tell Walt and Elmer you can always sit by the two city
boys that live on coffee. Their food, plus yours, holds you until noon when
you get fed again. It's no wonder these city boys can't walk much.

We go on 'route marches,' which the platoon sergeant says are long
walks to harden us. If he thinks so, it's not my place to tell him
different. A 'route march' is about as far as to our mailbox at home. Then
the city guys get sore feet and we all ride back in trucks.

The sergeant is like a school teacher. He nags a lot. The Captain
is like the school board. Majors and colonels just ride around and frown.
They don't bother you none.

This next will kill Walt and Elmer with laughing. I keep getting
medals for shooting. I don't know why. The bulls-eye is near as big as a
chipmunk head and don't move, and it ain't shooting at you like the Higgett
boys at home. All you got to do is lie there all comfortable and hit it.
You don't even load your own cartridges They come in boxes.

Then we have what they call hand-to-hand combat training. You get
to wrestle with them city boys. I have to be real careful though, they
break real easy. It ain't like fighting with that ole bull at home. I'm
about the best they got in this except for that Tug Jordan from over in
Silver Lake. I only beat him once.. He joined up the same time as me, but
I'm only 5'6' and 130 pounds and he's 6'8' and near 300 pounds dry.

Be sure to tell Walt and Elmer to hurry and join before other
fellers get onto this setup and come stampeding in.

Your loving daughter, Alice

Posted by: Joe at February 17, 2010 08:47 AM (cvvNY)

16 @4
We have to be kind to the retarded.

Posted by: Al Sharpton at February 17, 2010 08:47 AM (Xsi7M)

17 I veiw Krauthammer about the same as Beck. They both have good days and bad days. Krauthammer swings lefty on a lot of issues but goes to the right on most. Beck stays to the right but goes all wingnut on the Rs just as bad as the Ds meme.

Posted by: Vic at February 17, 2010 08:49 AM (QrA9E)

Posted by: curious at February 17, 2010 08:49 AM (p302b)

19 I've got a skeaky suspicion that this administration lacks any executive experience. I just can't put my finger on it......

Posted by: nikkolai at February 17, 2010 08:50 AM (U0lNn)

20 Why don't we just apply the Geneva Convention?

According to Article 4 of the Third Geneva Convention of 1949, irregular forces are entitled to prisoner of war status provided that they are commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates, have a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance, carry arms openly and conduct their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war. If they do not do meet all of these, they may be considered "francs-tireurs" (in the original sense of "illegal combatant") and punished as criminals in a military jurisdiction, which may include summary execution.

Posted by: sharrukin at February 17, 2010 08:50 AM (593B8)

21 I HAVE A 100% RECIDIVISM RATE!

Posted by: Serial Killer Amy Bishop at February 17, 2010 08:56 AM (Hh13R)

22

Don't forget that GWB was acting on the best information that was available from a CIA that was out to make him look like an idiot, while under constant pressure from a Congress and a propagandizing media that was willing to lose a war in order to do the same.

Now that they don't have the luxury of a President who will do the unpopular right things, while allowing them to strut and preen about peace and love, their solutions don't look any better than his, but the media shines them up real nice and pretty.

Posted by: sherlock at February 17, 2010 09:08 AM (ZrS0c)

23

Not only is Charles dead on in his analogy vis a vis war on terror, but the exact same argument can be made about the TARP. When Bush realized the first half of TARP ($350b) wasn't working, what did he do? HE STOPPED! He deferred judgment (spending) of the other half of TARP to the newly elected Obama. Even though the newly elected Marxist knew TARP wasn't working, what did the newly sworn-in President do? He raised it $785b! And he's about to do it again!

 

Thats the difference, in a nutshell, between conservatism and liberalism.

Posted by: bullwhacker at February 17, 2010 09:09 AM (aMpG9)

24 It's a miracle and a blessing that we're making any progress at all with these fools on the top of the chain of command.

Posted by: Cincinnatus at February 17, 2010 09:14 AM (euuyg)

25

Thats the difference, in a nutshell, between compassionate-conservatism (eg socialism) and liberalism communism.

FTFY

Posted by: Vic at February 17, 2010 09:15 AM (QrA9E)

26

Related BS about lefties excusing their want of  civilian trials vs. military tribunals. Bush did it too! (which I thought would have made it wrong.. hmm) But Bush had a no-other-timely choice reason, it seems...

From O'Reilly Factor:

COULTER: "The headline, well, I remember it from these ferocious fights throughout the Bush administration, and that is you keep -- we keep hearing that Bush sent Richard Reid, the shoe bomber, into a civilian court as if, you know, that was his choice.

No, he came out about a month after 9/11 and issued. He issued executive order for military commissions. And immediately, the left wing, particularly the left-wing legal community, went mental. Senator Leahy, the Democrat head of the Senate Judiciary Committee, was denouncing this. He had all of the human rights mix, amnesty. The entire law professor faculties across America denouncing Bush for doing this without congressional approval, without Congress passing laws.

Immediately, there were about six bills in Congress, setting up military tribunals of their own, including John Conyers' bill, which would apply only to the 9/11 terrorists.

And -- and so obviously, this was a matter that was heavily litigated over the next seven years. It went to the Supreme Court twice. The Supreme Court struck down Bush's executive order for military tribunals with ferocious dissents, I might add, by justices Scalia and Thomas.

And then Congress back in -- this is in 2006 now -- writes a military tribunal law that itself gets appealed to the Supreme Court. The first military tribunal under Bush, after endless litigation from the left, from left-wing lawyers, did not occur until summer of 2008. At that point, Bush had...

O'REILLY: OK. Let me stop -- let me stop you there. So what you're saying there is that the argument that Alan Colmes and others make, Vice President Biden, that 300 captured terrorists have been tried in civilian court is not valid, because there was no other way to try them. Because of all the legal challenges, you couldn't put them in military commissions, because every two minutes there was a blockage of the action. Is that what you're saying?

COULTER: That's right. Not only that but just specifically because of the left wing that we couldn't go forward with military tribunals which, by the way, I agree with Scalia and Thomas on, were constitutional. It is -- the president is the commander and chief in war time.

Posted by: antimatter at February 17, 2010 09:21 AM (gbCNS)

27

I like Krauthammer. He's articulate, on point, and doesn't mince words. Make's his points without being snarky and goes out of his way to fail to offend opponents. Mannerly without compromising position in a statement. An MD, he brings the intellect of a surgeon to politics.

I don't always agree with him, but he sometimes surprizes me with a perspective I'd never considered or background information I hadn't heard. The difference between that and "spin" is only inches, but it's solid gold and so very hard to come by these days.

Posted by: Just a Cynic... at February 17, 2010 09:29 AM (v4UYp)

29 15 -- lol...some of our horse buddies copied this out and gave it to my two girls (except they changed it to Army).  They did not have a problem with basic, and that says it all.

Posted by: unknown jane at February 17, 2010 10:02 AM (5/yRG)

30

#15, a friend of mine, retired command sergeant major, works at the Army Center for Military History, and he said they do have very similar letters home through the early 1960's. The Great Depression country folk thought the Army was pretty easy, even after the shooting started. You attracted a particular mix of country folk and tough city kids when the call went out for parachute volunteers.

#8, I understand the Muslim threat, but how a broke ex-E-5 gets into a congressional race, I'm not sure. And of course I'm sure some liberal blogger would come up with EVERYTHING I've ever said here at the HQ and the liberals who run Nashville's news outlets would hold it against me. Might actually get me some extra street cred with the country folk though.

 

Posted by: SGT Dan's Cat at February 17, 2010 10:09 AM (GgXZc)

31 30  You need to write a memoir-- then you can come back with it was all out there in print. 

Posted by: unknown jane at February 17, 2010 10:26 AM (5/yRG)

32 And it still never ceases to amaze me how the local lefties can still scream about Bush and Gitmo, but one whiff of criticism of Obama...oy!

Posted by: unknown jane at February 17, 2010 10:28 AM (5/yRG)

33 A Fifty Cent bullet out on the battlefield would have ended this argument before it ever got started.   Interrogation, what interrogation?  He was dead when we found him.

Posted by: d_fitz at February 17, 2010 11:23 AM (mnrcy)

34 Horseshit, by the second Bush Administration the people in charge knew that when they were handing these people over to the Saudis and similar governments in the region there was a good chance they'd wind up back on the battlefield. And many of them of course did did.  The high recidivism rates have been known and public for years.In other cases, they turned them over to governments which prosecuted them, but let them get away with a slap on the wrist. Some of this had to do with public pressure and propaganda from the Left and Internationale pansies, but it was still a demonstration of political cowardice that was paid for in blood.

Obama Administration: Cowardly fucking idiots.

Bush Administration: The same, only less so.

Posted by: MlR at February 17, 2010 05:11 PM (op9m5)

35 Administration's hands can't find butts.

Posted by: Patricia at February 18, 2010 09:23 AM (mA/by)

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